Trump Bullies FIFA, NATO

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We got updates from Iran, the spring leaders funeral, more signs at the ceasefire, it's kind of a mess. And I also want to get your take on kind of all things British politics, because we've been covering the mess that is the labor party. But then there's a news today about far right leader Nigel Faraj, and some of his corruption scandals that's just fun and worth digging into. But first, we have to talk about the biggest story in the world, the FIFA World Cup, we've got nations competing, we've got unbelievable drama on the field, we've got Lionel Messi, just being like a superhuman, and of course politics ruining all of it.

“Medi, we're recording this Tuesday, 207pm July 7th, we both just watched Egypt, first at Argentina, heartbreaking end for the Egypt side. Are you addicted to watching these games as I am?”

Oh, 100%, it's what I look forward to every four years since I was a kid, my first World Cup that I have a vague memory of is 1986, when England heartbreak went out in Mexico, and he has Tekka to Diego Maradona's infamous hand of God, and then his other amazing goal. And then the first World Cup I really got into, I was 11 years old, it was a 1990 World Cup, again heartbreak for England, we went out on penalties to Germany or West Germany as I were then. So I've been following this, I love the fact that it came back to me, I remember watching the 94 World Cup, I was 15, I had to get permission from my mum to wake up like crazy hours, because the time difference to watch the games in England,

England in qualify for the 94 World Cup in the US, and nobody cared about the World Cup in American, those days, the stadiums were empty, obviously everything's changed now with MLS and with Beckham and MSC, so such a great atmosphere, I went to one of the games last week, the atmosphere in the stadiums amazing, and it's just joy to watch football at its best, although it's being ruined a bit by VAR, I think it's better. Yeah, we should talk about VAR, it's in replay, basically, for the layman Donald Trump, but also, I mean, like you and I, so we were just watching this game between Egypt and Argentina, there is a feeling that Egypt was robbed, because they called back a goal, Argentina made this unbelievable comeback, and after the final whistle, Egypt's coach said, "I'm going to say what I think regardless of the consequences, this was clearly a manipulated match in the whole world sought.

It's a powerful quote from a guy who's been giving some great quotes in this tournament, he's also been very pro-Palestine at this tournament, he's been talking about Palestine, bringing that into the news conferences, which obviously bothered a lot of people. Look, a lot of people are thinking it, I happened to be a great messy fan, I was at the World Cup final in 2022 in Doha, where he performed just miracles in that game to stop MVP from taking it back, and, you know, it's amazing to watch him play, but let's be clean, they definitely give Argentina in him a pass.

He clearly, almost clearly readcarded an Algerian player in the group stages, got away with it, a lot of Americans, a lot of Trump supporters pointed this out, when he came in when Trump came in a couple days back to rescue Balagan from his red god, they said, "What about Messi?" And it's a fair point, Messi got away with that, there was novar on that, today they disallowed an Egypt goal because of a tackle that they claimed was a foul on the other end of the pitch, undervar, which is not the purpose ofvar, but they didn't do anything when most follow-and-down, at the end,

when they scored, so the whole thing was just the double standards are insane, and people have frustrated with this world cup.

Some of the football has been amazing, I'm an England fan, the England Mexico game was one of the great games on all time.

But at the same time people had just fed up with FIFA, they're fed up with some of the ways that they run this place, they're fed up with Gianni and Fantino, and they're certainly fed up after Donald Trump's intervention, where he tainted the U.S. men's national team, they had a great tournament, until Trump came along, stuck himself into the middle of it as usual, screwed up, maybe screwed with their heads, Balagan had a great awful match after coming back after Trump's intervention. And you just think, I keep telling people, remember the Rick Wilson book from the first term, everything Trump touched his dies, that is the line, that is everything he goes near.

And by the way guys, congratulations, we've got the Olympics coming all the way soon too, didn't LA. Yeah, there were a lot of jokes being made about Trump going to game three of the next series, which is the only one they lost in the NBA finals. Let's talk about the politics. So I'm sure by now everyone has heard about Trump's intervention to get FIFA to suspend this red card, to get to one of America's best players, Flo Balagan. Balagan kind of red card. So does it, yes, yes, he has, he got a red card in the U.S. game against Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Under FIFA rules, if you get a red card, you're out for the rest of that game, your team has to play a man down, and then you're suspended for the next game. So I think it was a questionable call for reasons we can get into many about whether it was a red card or should have been a yellow card. But the other reporting afterwards said, you know what, it is when it is, there's no way to appeal this decision. However, that apparently was not true. Donald Trump called FIFA President Gianni and Fatino, asked him to reconsider.

Here he is talking about all this on Monday showing his soccer expertise. Let's watch.

“I think the referee's call was horrible. And nobody talks about that. They talk about the red card, like it's fine. Nobody talks, the referee's decision to red card.”

I didn't know what the hell a red card was when I found out. I said, you got to be kidding. This guy just hands up. Okay, your best player is not going to play next week or in the next game. I said, wow, that's a lot of power. That's terrible. So yes, I asked for a review by FIFA. I had nothing to do with the decision. What I did have to do is I said, I think that you'd be reviewed, because I watched the play. And he didn't do anything wrong.

Yes. So when the President, I'd say it's calls. You just asking questions about the process, right? No pressure there on FIFA. Don't know whether to laugh or cry when you watch these clips. If you were in the Netflix writers room, you could not write that scene. No, we're like, he's going to call out the red card and then he's going to admit he doesn't know what a red card is.

“And be like, no one's blaming the red for giving the red card. The red gift is the red card, but what do you talking about?”

No, first he goes after red card and then he admits he didn't know what a red card was. Then he goes, I called him up and then he goes, I don't have anything to do with the decision.

But you called him up. I mean, that goes against FIFA rules as well. Any kind of political government involvement interference. It's just, I mean, he is a mob boss. That is how he approaches every problem in life, bullying intimidation, threats, corruption, bribery, transactional relationships. Clearly, he's built a very close relationship within Fantino over the years. In Fantino invented a peace prize to make this man child president of ours feel good about himself after he's rejected again for a Nobel Peace Prize.

And it's just an open great peace on a subset that I saw making this exact point that it is a metaphor for international relations right now. The stuff we're seeing around the world, the destruction of the quote unquote rules based order. American Hegemony talking about a don road doctrine regime change wherever he feels like. And now you bring that to the world cup. Yeah, I mean, there's like a little piece of me that doesn't begrudge Trump for like advocating on behalf of his country, but it is impossible to kind of disaggregate the corruption here.

Because you said, you know, Trump about operates like a mob boss. I mean, FIFA's basically a criminal organization.

“I mean, 2015, we all got to see. I think it was seven FIFA officials dragged out of a hotel in Zurich, prosecuted by DOJ. I think for about $150 million worth of crime.”

Yeah, the corruption in crime scandals involved with FIFA.

Well, we looked at some of those corruption stories, and we looked at the relationship between FIFA over a hundred years with authoritarian leaders, Mussolini in the 1930s, the Vidella regime in Argentina in the 1970s, Putin, all of these controversial well-cups. The difference here is, in all of those previous totals, there's been all sorts of dodgenous, but it happened behind the scenes. Yeah, the thing about Trump is he just does it brazenly and plain sight just brags about it. Yeah, that's a very good point.

“It's also, you know, just back to FIFA, I mean, the process for even like the host selection for the country selection is sketchy as hell, right?”

I mean, DOJ alleged that Russia and Qatar had bribe FIFA officials to secure hosting rights. And then this last time, like not to get into all the details of how the selection process works, but FIFA basically compressed the process and made it really short. And they have this sort of informal, continental rotation rule that made it so only the Saudis really had time to bid or the ability to bid. They also ignored their own rules around human rights. And I don't know about you, Medi, but I've been not that surprised to see all the Saudi or Ramco signage around all the venues, right?

I mean, there's clearly like a financial. Yeah, 24, 20, 34 in the kingdom. FIFA, 25 more. That's going to be an interesting one. Look, Inventino is so, uh, is so myad in scandal and corruption that set blatter. His predecessor, the guy who was in charge when you mentioned what happened in 2015, the guy who was, he's literally banned the former president, FIFA, set blatter. He's so corrupt that he was, he's been banned from attending a World Cup game till 2028.

Set blatter comes out on Twitter and says, "What is going on here? This is too much." Like when set blatter says you've gone too far in football corruption and rule bending. That's bad. That's uh, that's shocking.

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They're team Twitter account, put out posts saying overturn this. Kind of embarrassing for the US men's team. As a support of the US men's team, it's a horrible way to go out. They had a great woke up up until that point. Because they lost and they lost so badly, it'll probably be a footnote in history.

“Do you think that the rest of Europe sees what's happening here and thinks this is a big deal?”

Or is this FIFA being FIFA?

But the organization they have always known is corrupt doing corrupt things for people in power.

It's different. I don't want to say that's something I less agree about. Bribes, venue changes, country selections. That's one thing. Getting involved in a game, literally, the eve of the game. Belgium was at the US and the president of the United States. And they had a FIFA allegedly conspiring to get America's top player back on the pitch.

Clearly, absurdly went after it and said there was no appeal.

“I think that again tells you a lot about what is happening in the world with the quote unquote rules based order.”

And the Europeans, I have a very low view of all the European governments because, you know, they're bitch and wine. In private, they mock Trump behind his back, but to his face, they suck up to him. They think that sucking up to him is the way forward. I don't know if you saw this astonishing piece in all street journal today about how European governments have got started texting Trump in language that he recognized using all the apps. They do all caps in their tweet in their tests.

They use short staccato sentences. Mark Ruter, the NATO Secretary General, who's a big Trump sicker fan. He talks so much like Trump that his friends think he's in character and hasn't broken character. You have the Norwegians afraid to text Trump because they didn't give him the Nobel Peace Prize. So the finished president, text on behalf of Norway, like, this is embarrassing for us as a nation that our president is treated like this across.

I don't know what how magra or so or proud of Donald Trump got this done. He is a joke on the international stage in the first term.

The United Nations General Assembly literally laughed out loud as he was speaking at the UN Trump had to stop and kind of, he couldn't believe that they were laughing to his face. We've had multiple hot mic moments where Western leaders are mocking Trump, not realizing that they're on tape, they're on, they're on mic. And now you have this situation where he's abusing European teams at the World Cup by acting in the manner. Then he goes to NATO and we're going to talk about NATO and then he attacks European countries again and again says, "I'm going to take Greenland."

Yeah, so let's talk about NATO because wither the rules-based international order and all the sucking up you mentioned. So Trump is there now as we're recording this for the NATO Summit. His first meeting is with Turkish President Typer. There's a big dinner on Tuesday with, you know, the 30-some odd leaders. I'm sure that'll be a blast.

“Then Wednesday, I think it's the Summit itself, Trump has meetings with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky and then Syrian leader Ahmed Al-Sharkov.”

Yeah, another fun one. So there's a lot of stuff to discuss, a lot of big ticket items here. Let's just start with sort of the broader US NATO alliance because for years, Trump is attacked NATO as an institution. He has, at times, he's refused to reaffirm the principle of collective defense.

The article five commitments where attack upon one is an attack upon all. He brow beats NATO allies to spend more, which, you know, was not unreasonable at first.

But now we are demanding 5% of GDP on defense or defense related infrastructure, which is ridiculous amount of money. Trump is threatened to remove troops from Europe, because he's mad that European countries didn't want to go to war with Iran. Again, because that went great. And then there's the whole Greenland thing, the whole invading Greenland thing. The whole stealing of European countries. Yeah. But so, to your point about the kind of the, the, the asked kissing approach.

Here's NATO Secretary General Mark Ruta trying to put a good spin on some of these disputes. Look at the President Trump and the G7. It was a big success that meeting. I had a very good visit with him last two weeks ago in the White House. So I've every confidence in this summit. I've been credited as sort of being the Trump whisperer on behalf of the alliance.

You're shaking your head.

“But the point is this, I just liked him now. I think what he is doing for NATO is great news.”

When it comes to the state of our moves, when it comes to Iran, first of all, all NATO allies agree. It was crucial that Trump degraded the nuclear capability of Iran. I think this is massively good news for Israel, for the Middle East, for Europe, for the whole world. The center of this is the NATO allies committing to an increase of defense spending to 5% of GDP by 2035. This was, of course, a major priority for President Trump.

You've said that the goals of this summit are delivery and implementation of that commitment. This is President Trump, basically, achieving what seems item how American presidents tried to achieve, which is to equalize the defense spending between the US and Europe.

Trump is now achieving the success story is that when you combine 2025 on 2026, Canadian European spending more than 250 billion dollars extra compared to 2024, this is amazing.

So I was about to speak with Dasha Burnt from Politico. Um, maybe it's hard to tell like what's real here and what's, you know, the Trump being kind of just an asshole. Do you think that the US is actually on the cusp of a split from Europe in NATO or is this just like the constant posturing it does? Yeah, it's hard to say because I don't want to ascribe some kind of strategy to a man who doesn't have strategy, man, who changes his mind based on what side of it. He got out of what he saw on TV, what he saw on Twitter, the last person who's spoken his ear.

Like too many smart people tell me have spent years trying to come up with like, oh, but Trump means this and you know, I get it.

People, instead jobs, they have to get paid, they write these things. The Trump doctrine, the Trump vote, there is nothing, right? This guy treat him as he is, right, treat him as the idiot village idiot that he is. He couldn't find Greenland on a map if his life depended on it. He lied today and said, surrounded by Chinese and Russian ships. It is not surrounded by Chinese and Russian ships.

And this idea that, oh, NATO, he doesn't even understand the NATO budget. Right, he thinks that people pay United States. The style works. Nobody pays anyone. It's your own proportion of your own defense spending as a proportion of GDP.

And root to there, you know, first of all, salivating over the idea of $250 billion extra for defense.

At a time when people are going through an affordability crisis, when people can't afford to put food on the table, when they're still child poverty across Western Europe. For me on the left, I'm disgusted by that kind of attitude towards defense spending. He's not just saying it's a necessity, he's excited about it. And number two, the guy was Prime Minister of the Netherlands.

Right, he was the leader of his country. He was a powerful man.

“Look at him now. How does he look his wife and kids in the eye?”

Like complete sicker fat lives up Trump's backside. Like what, how do people like this? I just wonder about these people who suck up to Trump. Do they have no self respect? What do they do? How do they go to bed at night?

It's just in the mind boggles. And look, that's their strategy to try and suck up to Trump, not piss him off. Out of the way it works.

This will always come back to Biden.

Even they ask, you either stand up to the bully together or he picks you off one by one. I mean, that is something we learned in the playground as children. At one point, the Danish government told me he saw that reporting a few months ago. They had like troops ready to mind the runways. They had blood supply for it.

That's insane that a European government was preparing for a US invasion. And we're all supposed to pretend that everything's fine. And this guy turns up today by the way, he turns up in Turkey. He says I only came because my friend Erdogan invited me. Then he burrates Germany, France, and Italy.

For not supporting the war in Iran, hold on. Last time I checked Turkey didn't support the war in Iran. Good point. Funny. Funny you didn't criticize Turkey while you were sitting in Turkey.

And by the way, Erdogan took him straight to his white palace. This massive complex filled with Ottoman-like soldiers with Turkish soldiers on horseback. Taking Trump's love in it.

“Can you imagine how much he's going to talk about the bullroom when he gets back from Turkey?”

Oh yeah, we're going to have to build two of them. Yeah, there's sort of the Mark Ruta approach to the ass kissing versus the Mark Carney approach, the Prime Minister of Canada, who is arguing, we got to stop a piece in this guy. We got to bring together the sort of so-called middle powers to forge our own alliances and move forward. I personally would find myself more in the Cardi Camp,

but I don't know how much progress he's been on that yet. On this spending thing, like I'm with you, 5% is crazy. It's worth just saying two things about the number. First of all, it has plucked out a thin air. It's not based on any kind of defense analysis or need.

Second, it's not going to happen even if all the NATO allies agree to what, because the target is 2035. When Trump, we all hope, will be long gone as well many of these leaders. And then third, within that 5%, like 3.5% of the money is supposed to go to military spending, 1.5 is defined as security-related investments, which could be like roads, bridges, cyber security. Like anything you want it to be, so you can just recategorize shit.

100% they're going to play. They're going to play with us. And get Trump off their back in the short time. They want to get Trump win, right? They understand this guy doesn't do detail. He doesn't do substance. He doesn't understand anything. So you give him quick wins. You send him a text with capsliders. Do you see that story? One of the stories in Wall Street Journal that the EU foreign policy chief,

once she saw Trump got mad that they were talking about sanctions on Russia, she started calling sanctions.

Right. That story is incredible.

There's an anecdote in there about like an all-European member head of state meeting that turned into a therapy session. There's a story in there about Trump trying to do a video call with a manual Macron of France and Justin Trudeau of Canada. And he couldn't get the thing to unmute so he threw the tab across the table. I'm telling you, man, it's so embarrassing like we can laugh about this.

But it really is, you know, I know a lot of Americans don't travel abroad. But for those of us who do travel abroad, the image of this country is such a joke. I mean, people talk about patriotism. You and I and people on the left are lectured by Magra about to you. Love your country. Are you proud of your country on the 250th on 4th of July?

Yeah, I'm American citizen. I love this country.

“I'm proud of this country. That's why I can't stand what's going on.”

You think it makes me feel good as an American to go visit the UK or visit Europe or go to India. And I have people just laughing about your country that you elected this fool for a second time that he's doing this crazy stuff that the American people are tolerating it. It's bad for our country when you become an international laughing stuff. Yeah, and look, the elephant in the room on this defense spending is going to go to a bunch of US defense contractors

probably, right, which is why Trump, I'm sure loves it and is getting donated. What are you trying to increase our own defense budget by insane amount? Yeah, 1.5 trillion. It's insane. And also, you know, to on your point about the double standard on patriotism. I mean, it was very glaring to me the way the Zoron Mamdonis sort of 4th of July speech was covered. Compared to things that Trump says all the time, like this was a dead country until I came back, right?

Like college can for the world.

One sort of last stop to the point about this Europe stuff. I mean, Trump is out there using about whether he's going to remove US troops from Europe. The CNN had a report that Trump has considered. They said he used about cutting the level of US forces in Europe by a third. Earlier this spring, the US halted some troop deployments to Europe,

including 5,000 of Germany after Friedrich Merz, the chancellor, said that US was being humiliated by the war with Iran. There's been reports that the New York Times reported that the US is going to cut aircraft and warships that they made available to NATO, including F-16s and F-15 jets and reallocate other resources.

This all becomes more significant in the context of the war in Ukraine and this Zelensky meeting. And, you know, Europe's future if the US backs away from NATO.

“I think the thing that confuses me, Maddie, is NATO basically exists to deter a Russian invasion of the NATO allies.”

Trump clearly doesn't give a shit about Europe. So why does he care so much about demanding that they all spend more money? It doesn't really logically make sense. No, nothing. He says logically makes sense. Think about it this way.

Trump loves who the two leaders he loves. He loves Vladimir Putin. He loves Xi Jinping. He loves the leaders of China Russia. He goes out of his way to say, "We shouldn't have war. I want to be friendly with Russia."

He's talking, he always says, "Why did Russia get kicked out of the G7? Why didn't it become G8?"

He's obsessed with these guys. And yet, today, his argument is, "I need to take Greenland because it's surrounded by Chinese and Russian ships." Well, that's fine, isn't it? Aren't they your pals? Like, there's no logical consistency to this guy's arguments ever, especially in international affairs. Well, he's all over the place.

I just mentioned he attacked France and Germany for not supporting the war in Iran, while he praised Erdogan, who also didn't support the war in Iran, who also didn't open Turkish airspace to American jets. And now he's offering Turkey F-35s, even though his own first term administration might Pompeo encode, put sanctions on Turkey,

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when you go to Quow.com/World. That's Q-U-O.com/World. Let's talk about this, everyone. Please, you're political at a great breakdown of why they get along. The Trump apparently says whatever you asked there to want

for something he delivers. True. That's true, as I just mentioned with the wrong. They also both, they fancy themselves indispensable. Strong men, they both have a contempt for democracy, the rule of law,

the press, so I'm sure that gives them something to talk about. As you said though, this was not always the case. They were not always buddies back in 2017. Turkey agreed to buy this Russian air defense system. Called the S-400.

The deliveries of the components of that system started in 2019, at which time the Trump administration said, "Hey guys, you can't have this S-400 system going, and purchase and operate American F-35 jets, because the Russians could use the S-400 infrastructure,

the radars, etc., to gain a bunch of intelligence about. It's self capabilities, it's vulnerabilities, and then use it against us in battle."

“So Trump cuts Turkey off from the F-35 program.”

That cost Turkey billions of dollars, pissed off Erdogan. In 2020, Congress passed a law that prevented the U.S. from providing Turkey with that 35s, as long as they have the S-400 system. And then, fast-forward to today Medi,

another person who opposes the U.S. letting Turkey have the S-35 is really Prime Minister, BB Net Yahu. Here he is, I know you're a big fan of his. Here he is on Fox News recently.

I think that everybody understands that notwithstanding the personal friendship that President Trump has with Erdogan. It doesn't make Turkey a friendly or a friendly state to the United States to the country. It's a regime that's infected with the Muslim Brotherhood, which hates the United States.

He harbors Hamas, Hamas terrorists. He supports them. He finances them. He's thrown his opponents in jail, all of them. He throws more journalists in jail than anyone can understand

so he's not exactly a model ally of the United States. This is not a force for peace and stability. And if you give this kind of radical regime, that admittedly smiles to America when it is necessary, or smiles to the President of the United States.

When it's necessary, when you give them that power, you're going to see aggression in its wake. I wouldn't do that. The Hutspa, Benjamin Net Yahu, saying Erdogan throws journalists in jail.

Meanwhile Net Yahu is the number one killer of journalists on planet Earth today, according to every study done. I mean, I'm not defending Erdogan in prison journalists. I wrote a piece for the Guardian maybe 15 years ago, pointing out that Turkey was one of the top jailers of journalists in the world.

But in the last two and a half years, we've seen what Benjamin Net Yahu has done to journalists in Gaza. As a couple of things here with Erdogan, I mean, one is you're right, in the first term, there was this clash over the Russian military hardware.

But I don't think that was Trump. I don't think he involved himself. That was Mike Pompeo.

“I think that was the hawkish ring of the part that was Jim Mattis.”

That was Mike Pompeo. That was John Kelly. That was a traditional Republican hawks. The NATO hawks, the anti-Russia. I think Trump gives a damn.

In fact, he said today. Yeah, I'm fine with giving the plate. They asked him today in Turkey. What about the Russia angle? Yeah, doesn't care.

Doesn't bother him. So I don't think Trump, that was not a Trump decision, I suspect. I think that was one of the many things happened in the first time that he didn't really pay attention to or try and stop.

He's always been powers with Erdogan.

In fact, I checked before we're coming on the show. 2012, he travels to Istanbul with Ivanka to open the Trump towers in Istanbul. And then Prime Minister Erdogan turns up as the guest of honour, the VIP, to cut the ribbon at the opening of Trump towers. Ivanka puts a post on social media thanking then Prime Minister Erdogan for supporting Trump towers in Istanbul.

So they go way back. Trump loves these transactional relationships. He loves Erdogan for the money and he loves Erdogan for the power. He said today, he's a strong leader. He's a twice tummy.

When Donald Trump repeats himself, pay attention. He's a strong leader. He loves this idea of strong men, right? Because he wants to be one. He envies them.

He came back from North Korea in his first time. And he said, everyone stands to attention when Kim Jong Un speaks. Why don't my people do that? He said on Fox with Peter Ducey at the time. So this is, he loves him for his power.

He loves the money relationships.

I've always said for years, if you want Trump to get off your back, if you're,

if I had to let Ham and I had wanted to avoid there on war and stay alive, only had to do was build a Trump tower in terror. Or some Trump point. That is the simplest. And you think I'm joking.

No. I'm not joking. Ahmed Sharra, president of Syria, former Al-Qaeda leader, has been in talks reportedly to open a Trump tower in Damascus. And Trump now sends him alone, as we know.

They're pals. They're buddies. Yeah, right. So we can laugh about, oh, it sounds crazy.

Let us be clear about that.

Oh, no, the people he loves are all ones with transactional relationships. Like he loves, you know, whatever the field martial of Pakistan. Oh, he loves the guys going to use it, extra digital killing and horrible war crimes. You got a strong man in front of Trump and Trump goes week at the knees.

Yeah. Very quickly on Turkey and Israel, though. Yes, I've been saying for a while. A lot of us have been saying Turkey is next in terms of Israel's crosshairs. These are really leadership. And I'm not just talking about Netanyahu.

Tell me enough, Dali Bennett, who's one of the opposition leaders. Former Prime Minister could be the next Prime Minister of Israel. Has said Turkey watch out, right? They've all targeted Turkey. The leaders of Israel, the military leadership.

There is a lot of chatter in Israeli national security circles. Something has to be done about Turkey. Quote on quote, "The Muslim Brotherhood," as you said Netanyahu say. Remember, Israel's greater Israel vision is to be the top dog in the neighborhood. To control as much territory as it can with as little resistance as there is.

It is tried to do that in Gaza in Lebanon, in Iran, to varying degrees of success and failure. And having taken out Iran or in their eyes taken out, I don't know how many Iran is still obviously.

Still a powerful player in the Middle East as we've seen.

For them now, Turkey is the next regional hedge amon that has to go.

“And that's why Netanyahu's pissed off today.”

That's why he's put out statement saying this upsets the balance of power in the Middle East. Yeah, no shit. It upsets the balance of power. And a lot of people, the Turks, are talking openly about the possibility of their being a war between Israel and Turkey. The Israelis are saying it.

It's something we and I hope your listeners and viewers are paying attention to. It could be the next big God forbid hot spot in the Middle East. Can you imagine? And Israel, Turkey, war, is a member of NATO. Yeah.

So what side would United States be on that? It would be an absolute nightmare. Yeah, right. And that's why he doesn't want to set 35 transfer because they want to maintain their qualitative military edge in their region. And, you know, the ability to act with impunity.

We just just quickly before we move on, I mean, it's just worth noting, like what you mentioned that Trump repeatedly called air to want a strong leader. What does that mean in practice? Well, ahead of the summit, the NATO summit, Turkish authorities arrested opposition members of a couple journalists, even a stand-up committee.

“And I think 200 people in total, according to the card.”

Insulting the president to the crime in Turkey. They turkey blocked a gay friendly cruise from docking because apparently that would send a wrong message. And then, you know, not as recently, but, you know, air to want to jailed his main political rival, the mayor of Istanbul.

They sent police to storm the parties, headquarters, basically sort of dismantling with force.

His officers. Yes. A Stephen Miller wet dream. That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

That's exactly right. All right. So you mentioned Iran a couple times there. So let's turn to Iran. Iran proper, the Islamic Republic is holding the Supreme Leader, Iotoli Al-Hamanez, historic funeral ceremonies.

He's obviously was killed many months ago, but his body has been waiting for a safe moment when they could bury him and do all the pop in Circumzats. This is going to be a week long event. There have been a bunch of dramatic images in the media of like tens of thousands of mourners in the streets of Tehran. There have been also reports about Iranian citizens furious about all the pop in Circumzats, given the way he cracked down on protesters. The ceremony started last Friday.

His body was laid in state for public viewing. There was a long funeral procession that started Monday is going to set to continue into Goam, where his body will be flown. The ceremonies, I don't know if you saw this, Medi.

“The ceremonies also included harmonious relatives who were killed in that initial US in Israeli air strike, including a coffin for his 14-month-old granddaughter, which really just I think cameras home.”

The impact this war had on innocent civilians and kids. Not seen at any of this is his son, the New Supreme Leader, a most common homine. He's not in prison at any of these events, raising questions about his fitness, his ability to lead his health. Families of the 175 people in school girls killed in the US strike in Minnab. On the same day that homine was assassinated, attended the funeral at the Grand Masala and Tehran over the weekend.

They traveled about 800 miles to be there and then speaking of that horrible air strike on that girl school Medi. CNN reported today Tuesday that US military commanders ignored warnings that their intelligence on military targets in Iran without a date. And they approved strikes on years old intelligence that had not been updated or corrected before the war had started. That included this air strike on the girl school. Medi, I know for well that the US military has a long and troubling record to say the least when it comes to civilian casualties.

But what message do you think it sends the world that in this case, the Trump administration will not even admit what is so obvious that this was a US missile that hit this girl school? Not just wounded. But when Donald Trump was asked recently at the EVN G7 summit, I think it was in France, at a press conference he was asked about this by a reporter. And he got annoyed because I don't know why you're asking me that question.

And whenever he's asked about, they do his divert to defeat headset. He's asked to Pentagon. He's happy to throw someone else under the bus because he even he knows killing 120 school kids is not something you want to try and justify. Yeah, I mean, the American military chief has been on Capitol Hill saying this investigation. We've been hearing words about an investigation for a while.

They're not going to take responsibility. They're going to hope that people just move on and forget about it. Obviously the rest of the world is not. It was a crime, I believe. Especially we don't know what the role of the AI was involved in this.

I'm reporting about whether AI was involved in the decision to do this. This was a girl school. Next to a former military compound, it wasn't part of the compound. It was separate people, because he's from Google images at one point being part of it, but wasn't now. And as I pointed out recently, on an Al Jazeera show, I did.

“Do you know how many schools there are on US military bases across this country?”

Yeah, saying now that that's okay now to bum. Would we be okay with a foreign adversary of the United States bombing schools? Well, it was on a military base. It's kind of our fault. No, no one would say that.

So let's not say it about the Iranians and ask for harmonized granddaughter. I mean, look, whatever you think about AI is to look harmonized.

People are right to be critical.

And there's been people in Iran a lot of people around don't like him. But clearly from the funeral, a lot of people do like him. Whatever you think about harmonized, just like whatever you think about Gaddafi. Whatever you think about Saddam Hussein, whatever you think about whoever enemy do your is. You cannot just go around killing people, because you don't agree with them.

Don't like them. They're not listening to you. Again, I said Donald Trump's a mob boss that started this show. Just recently, he threatened the Iranian negotiators who were in Europe. For this signing ceremony, he said, "You could get killed on the way home." I mean, who talks like that?

Which world leader? American presidents are killed a lot of people. But who's spoken like that? I don't remember even George Bush, who spoke like a cowboy and threatened people and talked about crusades, but telling negotiators in the middle of a diplomatic negotiation.

Do what we say or will murder you before you leave the negotiations?

“That language, that approach to politics, that's what we have to call out.”

Yeah, that was a shocking comment. But speaking of killing negotiators, I mean, there was this jaw-dropping report in the New York Times last week that I wanted to ask you about. Which said that the Trump administration was so concerned that Israel was going to assassinate Iranian officials involved in peace talks with the U.S.

that the U.S. asked other countries to warn Iran that this could happen. No, the two officials were Iran's foreign minister, Abbas Rachi, and the speaker of Parliament, Muhammad Galibaph. Both of them had been on, the Israeli target list since the beginning of the war.

You know, there was basically a decapitation effort early on in the war.

But the U.S. had asked Israel to hold back once negotiations were ongoing. But we're so concerned that they would not, that they had to warn them. Medi, like what do you think this says about the divergence and strategy in the lack of trust between the two sides of the U.S. and Israel? Yeah, that the U.S. was just warning Iran via an intermediary.

These are New York Times reporting, which Netanyahu got very upset about, of course. I mean, look, some of us have been saying this for a while. You don't have to be on the left. You don't have to be anti-war. You don't have to be pro-Palestine to say that Israel is not an ally of the United States. It has its own interests.

And I get why people now, some people, some people, on the Magarite, are making this point. You know, Joe Kent quit the administration, the former director for Counterterrorism for Donald Trump. And he's made this point. He's made the point that even if you supported this war, the American goal was to get regime-change done quickly and replaced with a quote-unquote moderate leader. These were his killed all of those people in the first strike.

They were in the next or building apparently. I mean, Trump admitted this, right? He went on camera and said, oh, yeah, we had all these number twos. And they got killed by X.

“That's how either A, incompetent, the U.S. and Israel are.”

Or B, the Israelis are, of course, growing the U.S. over. Because the Trump administration agenda is not the Netanyahu agenda. We know that Trump wants a quick war in and out. Glory, rara, rara, maduro, style. Get the oil prices back down. Get the straight-of-haul moves over. That's what he wants.

These Israelis want the complete and after destruction of Iran. They want their failed state.

They can never ever pose any kind of threat to them or support any groups that fight them.

So that is a big divergence in strategy there. And yeah, the Israeli assassination policy has been going on for years, Tommy. It went on under the Obama administration. And your administration, unfortunately, the government, you were part of, didn't do anything about it. When they were blowing up nuclear scientists in the middle of negotiations.

That was a problem back then. This has been going on for a long time when the negotiations going on in Gaza with Hamas. These Israelis blew up Hamas in 2012, I think it was. They blew up the top Hamas guy who had just signed onto a truce. And the Israelis murdered him before the truce could go into action.

Because these really have a long history of killing negotiators in the middle of negotiations. That is why some of us say they are a rogue state. As much as they do bad things, human rights abuses, everyone does human rights abuses. It's the way they behave on the international state. Openly, Netanyahu is openly saying, if an Iranian leader pops their head up, we will kill you.

Again, that is a mob bus attitude. In the post-war period, we've not allowed leaders to say stuff like that. The UN doesn't allow you. The UN charter doesn't say, I could just threaten to kill whoever I like in a foreign country.

There's actually, there's a great book about Israel's historic use of targeted assassination, called Rising Kill First by Ron Erwin.

“Ron Erwin is a great Israeli journalist that's worth reading if you want to expand upon this.”

Last thing I'm going to run, Mehdi, there is this ceasefire. There have been peace talks and they're hoping to get a nuclear deal done. I almost zero hope that that will ever happen, but I'm hoping that the ceasefire holds together and this trade-off removes remains open because we want oil and gas to flow forward. We'll be speaking on a day when some tankers have come under attack, but the US has rescinded waivers on Iranian oil sales. Everyone's pretty pissed off.

This is the question, right? Like earlier this week, once again, there were attacks on tankers in this trade-off removes. I assume it's because these tankers were not going via the Iranian designated route, which is the way that they're going to try to control passage to the sort of whom it was going forward. Reuters reported that the US is going to revoke the general license authorizing the sale of Iranian oil. They also threatened additional consequences.

We don't know what that means, but in the past it is meant sort of quote unquote targeted air strikes. I mean, it just feels like this thing is being like this ceasefire is being held together by duct tape and the only thing preventing it from returning to war is Trump just wanting to keep gas prices low. But I mean, what's your level of anxiety about resuming conflict? I think post-November, we're going to be in a lot of trouble.

Yeah, I think my colleagues when soup sang at Zeteria reported several months ago. Several weeks ago, excuse me, that US intelligence believes that the Iranians know they can hold out till the midterm. They know that they have this oil weapon that can cause severe harm to the Republican Party and their prospects.

“In these elections and they know that's why Donald Trump's holding up.”

When I hear Mark Levin and all those other hawks who are mad at Trump for doing any kind of deal with Iran, when I hear them say, well, you know what, best case scenario, he's just replenishing our munitions, rebuilding our stoppiles. So that post-November, we can go back in and finish the job and JD Vance kind of hinted at that recently and in interview he did. So it is a very cynical position. I wouldn't put it past this administration that that might be the ultimate end goal if they see all other things failing.

We have a fake ceasefire in Gaza, we have a fake ceasefire in Lebanon, we have a fake ceasefire in Iran. And at least two of those three theatres Israel is the one, basically undermining those. In Gaza, we've had a thousand people killed in this ceasefire. We've had 200 kids, like it's insane how many people have been killed in a so-called ceasefire. We shouldn't forget about that in Gaza.

People all gathers over, no, it's not over. People have been killed every day, kids have been killed every day in Gaza. So it's not only not over, it's just that people living there are just in a sort of constant state of hell. You know, like they can't get the infrastructure they need, they can't rebuild home. The AIDS not going in for the deal.

I mean, it's the board of peace has just been immune, if you see that, Tommy, that they've given themselves criminal immunity from any kind of law suit or criminal complaints for their actions in Gaza. But just on this specific deal, I don't think we're going to see a deal anytime soon because remember, Tommy, it was ceasefire and then it was 60 days we'll do some nuclear negotiations. You know this better than me, it took Barack Obama what for five years to get the JCP rate up and done.

The idea that you can do any kind of deal similar to that in 60 days is insane, especially when you have Steve Wittkov and Jared Kushner, Dumb and Dumber leading your negotiations. You know, Obama sent Ernest Moniz and actual nuclear scientists to negotiate with the Iranians. We send the property developers from Manhattan who just want to cut some deals. I'm sure they're scoping out some future ways to get rich people to sell.

Become property, Jared's always obsessed with it.

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You know a lot of the big week for UK public. It really is. So we've talked on the show a bunch about the kind of saga of Cure Stormer and the Labour Party and the rise of Andy Burnham who, for folks who don't know, he's the newly elected Labour MP who is likely to be the next Labour Party leader and thus the next prime minister of the UK.

Cure Stormer is going to step down soon. Also today, though, on Tuesday, the far right informed UK party leader Nigel Farage announced that he is going to resign from Parliament, which will trigger a bi-election and then he's going to go ahead and run again for that seat. I will explain more in a second.

But let me play this clip from Farage before I explain why the hell you would want to do that. A day I will resign as a member of Parliament for collection on C, thereby forcing a bi-election, which would happen I hope in short order. Now I've decided that the people of Clapton should be the judges of my actions. This will be a people versus the establishment bi-election. It's a chance to stick two fingers up to the entire establishment to frankly tell them where

to go. And that is why I will be putting my name forward to stand in this bi-election. I will fight to win. I will fight to continue the political revolution that reform has started. And I would say this to you the voters of Clapton.

If I win, you win. Because if I lose, they win.

And we will never, with the two oil parties, get the type of fundamental change that we need to fix,

welcome Britain. Thank you. Okay. So listeners might know that Farage is dealing with a bunch of corruption scandals. First we learned back in 2024.

He received a five million pound gift from a crypto billionaire who lives in Thailand. No strings attached. No strings attached. We're just a gift. The times of London revealed that he also got a bunch more gifts from a wealthy benefactor, including some fraudster from the US.

He's also dealing with competition from a new far right party called Restore Britain, led by a creep who I'm sure you know named Rupert Low.

“They're trying to out just on Joe Rogan, I believe.”

Oh, wonderful. I think Elon Musk is a big fan of Rupert Low. They're trying to take votes from reform by out flanking them on the right on immigration. So many, I reached out to a friend in the UK to say, like why is Farage resigning to run again? This person said, quote, to stop the investigation of Parliament, to try to do a Trumpian style.

This is the establishment versus me for the people BS. And because he is an attention-seeking tosser, I don't net totally know what tosser means. I love that. That's not using. It's a good word.

I've lived in America too long. 12 years. I've been. I don't think I've said tosser. That's a good reminder.

That's a good word to have. Did that sound like a good summary? I mean, I saw it like the Tories. It sounds like no other party's going to run this by election because they're going to end it. Yeah, that's the best part of the story.

Yeah, this guy, Farage decayed the biodec because he's under pressure like never before.

So just for people in the US watching, for liberals in the US who think the media has been soft on Trump. And that's Trump has gotten away with softball questions and coverage for the last 10 years. Times out by a hundred. Yeah, that is what Nigel Farage has gotten away with for the last 15, 20 years in UK. He has been treated as a kind of, you know, a guy you have a beer with in the pub.

When he goes on TV, he's treated as a pundit, you know, every man voice of the working class, even though he's a former city finance guy went to private school. Get millions of pounds and gifts from billionaire friends. And he's had a really soft ride.

“And for the first time in his life, I think now, as he's seen as a serious content of the Prime Minister,”

a bunch of newspapers in the UK, specifically the Guardian and the Sunday Times, have done some great investigative reporting and found out number one, this crypto billionaire living in Thailand, Christopher Harb and gave him a five million pound gift. That he was supposed to declare, whether the gift then became a reward, then became security money.

And then it turns out we find out that he also got security provided, housing provided accommodation provided by Uncle George Cottrell. Nicknamed posh George. This American list of the love this. He's from aristocracy, he's like a character out of a TV show.

His mother, I discovered today used to date King Charles. What's his father went to school with Prince Andrew?

Wow. And listen to this.

You want to hear the best of it?

“He's so close to forage that he calls for Raj Daddy.”

So this guy has given stuff to forage. Again, forage did not declare. These are the equivalent of money. And he's a convicted fraudster. He was prosecuted in the United States of America for wire fraud.

Actually, he indicted on 21 charges of money laundering, extortion. He did a plea deal with the justice department went prison for wire fraud. He's giving money. He's giving the equivalent of money to forage. So forage is under pressure.

So what does he do? He does the most Trumpy thing you could ever do. Look over there. Give people a distraction. Flood the zone with shit. I'm going to do a bi-election.

The problem he has now is that all of the parties have called his bluff and said, "We're not running against you." So he's running in this bi-election. It's going to cost a taxpayer or they're saying they're going to pay for it. We'll see.

He's running in this bi-election against one candidate called Count Binface. Which is literally a man who has a bin on his face and a cloak around his arms. And he goes and stands in every bi-election. I love that. Go Google, look on YouTube.

We did a great interview with Sky News after the Andy Burnham bi-election. So this is British politics. You've got the son of a woman who dated King Charles. You've got Count Binface. You've got want to be Trump now, you're forage.

And in the midst of that, the UK is about to have its seventh prime minister in a decade. With Andy Burnham is about to take over from Keistama, who is super unpopular. He's more unpopular than Liz Trust. The woman who couldn't outlast a lettuce.

Starmer is more unpopular than her. Celebrate deciding to switch gears, middle of a parliament. Bring in this guy Andy Burnham. We also want a bi-election. He's coming in as Manchester Mayor.

No one quite knows what he stands for. But he looks good in a black t-shirt. He's got nice eyelashes. He makes some good lefty sounding noises. He said some good things about why he's Welsh.

You know, it should have done a ceasefire in Gaza. He's talked about raising taxes on the rich. We shall see. Well, so I know like Andy Burnham been around for a while. He's been around for a while. I covered him when I was 15 years ago.

What do you mean? What should we know? Well, here's his interesting. He ran for Labour leader in 2010.

Came last or second last.

He ran for Labour leader again in 2015. Came second to Jeremy Corbyn. That was a shock result. Corbyn wasn't supposed to win the left-wing counter. Now he's running for a third time.

“And I think of a guy in America who ran for president three times.”

Finally got a Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. Although the analogy with Biden is really starm. Right? He comes in. He comes in with no real love for him. He comes in because we wanted to get rid of the other lot.

Tories were in power for 15 years, get rid of them. Right? Biden comes in really because of a pandemic and people want to get rid of Trump. Not because people there's some people power revolution for Biden. And starma faces the same income.

It's the same lack of charisma, the same inability to communicate in an era where communication matters. The same right-wing press onslaught. And now they are switching mid-gear to another candidate who's being coronated. It's not going to be a leadership election, really.

And I keep thinking that America didn't keep thinking about the analogies here. We're comrades taking over without a contest. And people being really happy at the beginning. But the honeymoon could end very quickly for Andy Burnham. Right? Now he's very popular with the Labour Party.

I think he's the only, he's the most popular politician in the UK. But we know that can change fast. You and I've seen that with multiple leaders and multiple countries. That honeymoon can end very quickly. So I would like to see Andy Burnham put out a vision very quickly of what he stands for.

What he's going to do, how he's going to be different to starma. Remember Kamala Harris is a biggest problem?

She never said how she would be different to Joe Biden.

And I think Burnham's going to come in and say, I'm going to do these things differently. Because if he doesn't define himself, Rupert Murdoch will define him. Elon Musk will define him. Now, your forage will define him. His own rebels will define him.

I agree with you. Listen, I think starma hurt himself by not kind of painting a vision for the future, by trying some big bold things, by doing something to get the UK style. The UK out of this rut that it's been in really since Brexit a decade ago.

“And like, I think so trying to try to love Bomb the right, right?”

You know, my biggest objection to all sent to left parties. You know this is you cannot appease the right. Stop trying to appease the right. Be yourselves offer a positive program to your own base. They're all that happens.

We saw it with the Democrats. And now we've seen it with the Labour Party, which is you chase off the right wing voters. And all that happens is that right wing voters reject you because they go for the real stuff. And you're on based and rejects you because they think you've betrayed them. And you're stuck in no man's land.

And we've seen that in the United States with the Democratic Party. And we're seeing it with the Labour Party in the UK. And you got to deliver something on the economy. Or else people are just going to be ripped shit. Speaking of the rise of the far right in Europe,

Mehdi, I was not thrilled to see today that a Paris appeals court appelled far right leader Marine Le Pen's embezzlement conviction. But shortened the length of her ban from holding office, which effectively lets her run for president next year. For those who don't remember, Le Pen ran in 2022.

She had 41% of the vote. This five-year ban was put in place of 2025. I've got shortened shortened shortened. And now she could run again. Now, in the past, the non-far right parties in France have come together

to keep the far right national rally out of power. But that won't happen forever. Le Pen is certainly the front runner right now.

which is a very powerful position in over in the UK.

We're pretty close to another election where we could see a Nigel Farage as Prime Minister. So a little nerve wracking. It's not great for Europe or the United States. It's not great for the West.

“I think the Canadian's dodged Ebola only because Trump intervened.”

Yeah. Otherwise, they were on course for a hard right Prime Minister as well. Connie got lucky with Trump's intervention. But you look at the rest of Europe. It's not looking great at all. Labour did defeat the Tories in 2024.

But now, you know, for the last year or so, reform and fraud you've led in the polls. There's not another election due for a couple of years, which is some good news. But if there was an election tomorrow, they would be the single largest party in Parliament. They might not win a majority, but they're the single largest party. Look at Germany, Tommy.

I just did a show for Al Jazeera. My head to Ed show in London. I interviewed Maximilian Krab, who's a German AFD member. I don't want to. I've refused to have AFD on my show for years because they're kind of so close to the new Nazi movement in Germany. They're a far right party in Germany.

But they are now leading in the polls.

They are the second biggest party in Parliament.

They're about to win the state elections this year. You can't ignore them, right? These parties are heading for power in some cases have power. You have the AFD in Germany backed by Elon Musk, surprise surprise. You have restore backed by Elon Musk in the UK, another far right party.

Reform we talked about. Then in France, Marine Le Pen, she, her party is leading in the polls. She's run for president three times, Tommy. The last two times she came second as you rightly said. It's because the rest of the French political establishment got together and said,

"We just vote for the centre-right guy or the centre-sky. Anyone to stop Le Pen." That's all right. It's becoming increasingly harder to do in France. Because the left is saying, "Well, why?"

“What was the point of doing that when we got nothing, right?”

So you have a lot of left-wing voters who will refuse to turn out. Just like they did in 2024 and they'll say, "Well, what's the point of this? I don't like the choice I'm being offered." So there's a very good chance that she becomes president of France 60, which is a insane statement. You would have laughed at me if I'd said that 10 years ago.

But that is where we are. And in Germany, there's a lot of pressure being applied to Frederick Murtz, who's the conservative Chancellor of Germany, the centre-right leader, to drop their firewall with the AFD.

All the German parties say we will never get into a coalition with the AFD,

because of our Nazi history. But there's pressure coming from some parts of the political establishment in Germany. So you know what? We should drop that firewall. It's time to just mainstream the AFD.

So it's very worrying across Europe, obviously Georgia Maloney is already prime minister in Italy. She's moderated herself since coming to Babbit. She has a neo-fascist background, her party does. It's not looking good. And that's why I'm saying the left has to offer a vision.

I was reading a great book, I interviewed him recently, Omar Aziz, the Canadian author, Mark Carney speechwriter, has a new book out called Shadow of the Republic. And it's all about fighting fascism. And he made the point to me that the left can't just come along and say, "Fix the economy."

And here's some policies. The left has to offer a story, a story, a purpose, a community, a vision, because that is what the right is offering. As dystopian as dark as it is, they're offering that story to their followers. And we can't just have bureaucrats and technocrats like Starma,

fiddling around the edges. We actually have to give something for people to believe in, and for people to vote for. Otherwise, we are AFD across the West. Yeah, and this story has to be hopeful and optimistic in patriotic,

“and not just like, "Hey, remember that shit before Trump 10 years ago?”

What if we went back to that?" That period of time was up. What was up with Hillary Clinton line? America is already great. He's a very supposed to make America great again.

Yeah, we can't just kind of run it back to the old establishment days. Many great talk with you. I'm sure we'll be covering all of this stuff on Seteo, on Seteo UK. Boy, you guys picked a pretty good time to launch. Like, no.

We launched. And then you had a prime minister still resignation. The return of Andy Byrdum. And now, now, you're for our graduation. Good timing.

That is very good timing. Thank you so much for joining the show. Everyone subscribed with Seteo. Go check out Seteo UK, and talk to you soon. Thanks so much.

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