1043. Q&AF: When To Quit Your Job, Chasing Bigger Dreams & Being Intentional

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- Yeah, guys, Andy, question number one. Andy, I've got a good job. Making around 90 K a year, and on nights and weekends, I've been building a business that's starting to get some traction.

Everybody keeps telling me, you'll know when it's time to quit your job.

The problem is, I don't think you ever really know.

There's a part of me that's excited and another part that's terrified of walking away from stability. Looking back, how did you know the difference between making a smart bed on yourself and making an emotional decision?

- I mean, what's stability? Stability a job where, you know, you could get fired because technology changes or your boss doesn't like the way you look at 'em. Is that stability?

I mean, let's redefine what stability actually means. In my opinion, stability means that you are in control of your own outcomes as much as possible.

“And I trust myself more than I trust other people,”

which I think everybody should, but unfortunately, it don't because we're surrounded by fucking losers, okay, or whole lives. And I don't mean that as like a derogatory statement. I mean that as a matter of factual description

of what people are. Most people set goals. They never achieve those goals and they repeat that process, their entire lives, which by definition makes them losers.

And not winners, winners, set goals, and achieve goals, and set new goals, and achieve goals. That's the difference. So when we look at the environment that we're surrounded by growing up.

For most of us, we are surrounded by objectively people that lose, okay? And those people put ideas in our head. Like, because they weren't able to do something, you're not able to do something.

And those ideas affect our mindset, they affect our own evaluation and trust in ourselves because it's abnormal to do things like go out on your own and build things that most people don't build. I mean, that's an abnormal thing.

And anything that you do outside the bubble of normal is gonna get criticized by people who couldn't do those things. That is common sense to me. I don't know, that should be common sense to other people, but maybe you never thought about it before,

but the reality is, is most of the people you know, in your life, and you can love them, you could think they're great people, they could be great friends, but objectively, they lose far more than they win.

Those people have a life experience of losing. Those people put these ideas in your head, which usually creates enough doubt to where people believe that they are going to be destined to live the outcome that these people live.

So there's that. But in the crazy two, like the definitions of flip-flop, like they want you to think that the definitions of flip-flop. Like losers are now winners. You're a winner now if you're losing.

- Well, I mean, that's the collective.

I mean, look, dude, when we think about winners, there's fucking very few winners versus a lot of people that lose. And that's in business, that's in sports, that's in, I mean, how many people grew up playing baseball?

Like I did and never made it to the major leagues.

Well, that was my goal, and I lost it that goal. That's a fact, okay? So people collectively have the tendency to believe that what the collective has done is the right thing.

When it reality, it's not always and rarely the right thing. If ever, I don't know where you can point out a situation where the collective is the winning side.

“So you have to understand that you're accepting a path”

and going down a path, that is not going to be understood or supported by people for a number of reasons. One, they've never seen it, too. They don't believe they can do it. Three, it reminds them of what they didn't do.

And like, dude, you're just not going to hear good advice for most people. That's the truth. The only people that you should be listening to if you want to win or other people who are fucking won.

That's, but you should tune everything else out. But the good news for you is there's actually a mathematical equation that tells you when you should leave your job and go full time on your thing. It's not an emotional decision.

It's not a decision of belief in yourself. It's not a decision of, is this the right time or not? I don't know, you know, answer my prayers and tell me, no, it's fucking math, okay? You can math it out.

Let me tell you, the formula, it's real simple. When your side thing pays you enough money to support your lifestyle for you to survive and eat and do your things, then it is time for you to leave the thing that has been supporting you and go do the thing.

That's it, it's fucking, that's simple. And people get in this position of, I'm doing this side thing, it's making me some money, but I also have my other job, so I'm making more money than I was before.

And usually people have poor financial habits. And so they get accustomed to that for this guy, you know, let's say he's making 90K doing his job. And let's say he's making 45K on his side job. Well, now he's making two incomes.

He's making more money than he's ever making, which gives them more comfort. - Yeah, why cut out? - Yeah, right, right. And then to go to full time, which is what's going to amplify

that result from 45K to 500K to a couple million,

maybe in, you know, five, 10 years, they don't want to take that step backwards, right? So if you're serious about doing the thing, which if security is important to you,

“you should be because now you're in control”

versus someone else just walking in and saying, "Hey, you know what? "Fuck off." - Yep. - Okay, which they can do it any time. If you're serious about that, then you should be willing to downsize your lifestyle, take that step back

from having the two incomes and go full steam, because you can't win at whatever it is you're doing with your night and weekend effort. It's not gonna work, because there's other people who are doing a full time.

And those other people are, no matter what you think, they're just as good as you and they're probably better because they're getting more reps because they're going full time. So you can't compete with half-ass effort, you just can't.

- Yeah. - When did you learn this? Because a lot of people, I don't know if they a lot of people know this, but like, in the early years, when you were just getting started in entrepreneurship, you were working other side jobs

'cause you had to, right?

- Yeah, the first seven years. - Seven years.

- Okay, so that was seven years before-- - So I quit all the side shit. - So I quit all the side shit. - Okay, yeah. - And you know what I did? What I just told 'em. It was fucking math. - Yeah.

- It's math. - Yeah. - It's kind of like, you know, people put these, this like mystical, I'm gonna know when it's the right time, anybody who's telling you, you'll know when it's the right time, didn't fucking do it

because anybody who's done it is gonna tell you what I just told you, they're gonna say, it's math. Okay, and math runs the world, I don't know if you know this, but like, when it comes to success, there's no mystical formula to it.

It really is, win one day, win the next day, win the third day, win the fourth day, win the fifth day, all you lost the sixth day, win the seventh day, and when you average out more wins than you fucking lose, you're gonna win your life, it's that simple.

And if you do that long enough, winning doesn't become something that you have to focus on every day, it just becomes who the fuck you are. So it's not even a struggle, it's just the normal thing.

It's the expectation.

“Like, you know why I don't get excited about winning?”

'Cause I don't, any of you in here could tell me that, we could fucking get the biggest grand slam in the world, and I'm like, yeah, we should have done that two years ago, because that's my expectation. I expect to fucking win, okay?

And that expectation comes from years and years

is actually accomplished. And people like to put these mystical ideas and these fucking foo foo bullshit, you know, on it because they wanna, you know, abandon the responsibility they have for their own lives.

You know, oh, I tried really hard, but it didn't just work out, bro, anybody who's tried hard long enough, it's not even about trying hard. Anyone who's been effective long enough for,

it's an average, okay? If out of 30 days, you miss three, and you win fucking 27, that means that you are winning at a 90% rate, all right?

“That's pretty good, but 97% is better than 90, right?”

It's math, it's fucking math, you could gamify it, by the way, I've done this is what we built with operator standard where you can find that MFCO project podcast. You go and operator standard

and you follow the fucking directions

and you can tell the difference between a critical task

and a non-critical task. And you follow it, it literally makes losing fucking impossible, like impossible, you cannot fucking lose. And I think people, if they would remove all this mystical shit and all these, what ifs and maybes

and this and that, that's all losers shit that you pick up along the way. It is literal math, it is one plus one equals motherfucking to you, that is it. You know, I think another thing too that, you know,

people would have a hard time, I guess, with this, and I think you said it was a step back, is the lifestyle piece of it. And not being willing, you know, or seeing that as a step back when it's really you stepping forward, you know, I'm saying,

by whatever that cost, I think it's, you know, comes down to people, not willing to take those risk, I guess. You know, they don't want to look embarrassed by getting an apartment from their house. You know what I'm saying?

Like, well, you're gonna be embarrassed living the same lifestyle on another fucking 15 years, right? I mean, it's all how you look at it. It's all how you assess the outcomes and the risk, you know, most people say,

what am I gonna, what if it this happens? What if that happens? What if this happens? What if that happens? And says saying, what happens if I don't?

“Like, that's how winners evaluate risk and outcome, okay?”

So like, it's just a perception change that you have to have and people who lose see the world one way and people who win, see it a different way. And if you're gonna win, you're gonna have to learn to see the world that way.

You could stay right where you are and things are gonna continue to get worse. They're not gonna stay the same because the people around you're gonna get better and better and better and better.

So there is no maintaining. You're not gonna stay where the fuck you are. That's absurd, you try to stand still in maintaining. You are by default losing because the market is moving forward at all times, okay?

So it's, you know, I think this comes from a lot of different things, but ultimately I think it just comes from listening to people

who have never done shit, you know?

Yeah, it's like, I mean, I think about your story, bro, that's like, I mean, you had to, you were 26 when you had to move back with your dad? No. Like, 26 years old, like, that's prom-bachelors' time.

And you know, you're having to move back with your dad to keep shit moving, you know? You know what I'm saying? But like, was that a step? Well, what happened was, I was living on my own

in Springfield, right? And then I moved up here to open the stores here. And I didn't have enough money to get a place on my own here. See what I'm saying?

So, deal with the fuck I had to do. So, yeah, 26 years old,

“I had to fucking move back in when my fucking dad, okay?”

Like, in the prime of my fucking 20s. Yeah, bro. That's prime time for the, yeah. Okay? So, like, what do you think people thought about me?

They thought I was a fucking loser. They thought I was failing at life. They thought I was chasing a pipe dream

that was never gonna work.

And by the way, they told me all those things. I heard it from everybody. Everywhere I went. And the people who tried to be supportive, it was backhanded support.

It was like, oh man, that's, that's cool. So, like, you really think this was gonna work. You know, it was shit like that. And, you know, yeah, it's embarrassing. But, I mean, I certainly don't give a fuck now.

You know what I mean? Like, how do you not do that? What would have happened? I wouldn't be here. Yeah.

I wouldn't be here. Yeah. That's real, man. You know, I mean, fucking millions of people wouldn't have changed their lives with 75 hard.

You know, millions more people wouldn't have changed their lives through our fucking brands. We built millions of people wouldn't have built businesses off the podcast content that I've done. I mean, I'd say the fucking impact of me going,

even though I was embarrassed, it's pretty substantial. 100% dude, 100% man, it takes for the takes, right? Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Look, dude, that's the bottom line.

It fucking takes what it fucking takes.

You can think about it.

You can ask people about it.

“You can try to wiggle out of doing the work.”

But at the end of the day, it's hard to do. And if you're not all in, it's not gonna fucking work. That's it. You have to be fucking obsessed because there are other people who are obsessed

that you are competing against. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. If you are not obsessed with growing your company, if you're not obsessed with winning, get the fuck out of the game

because you're gonna waste your life and you're gonna get your ass beat. Okay, that's what it takes. Balance is not a real thing for people trying to build a business.

That's not real, at least on a micro scale. On a day-to-day scale, it's not a real thing. You're gonna have late nights.

You're gonna miss fucking, get together.

You're gonna miss weddings. You're gonna miss parties. You're gonna lose girlfriends and boyfriends. These are things that are gonna fucking happen if you're trying to build something from scratch.

That is just the reality. And everybody wants to have both. They want to have the life everybody else has. And then they want to have the life that entrepreneurs have at the end.

Okay, you don't get both. So you either pay the price up front and you get something later, which is a risk. Or you'd have the balance and all the shit that everybody has.

And you don't get the shit later. It's that simple dude, it's that simple. I don't know how to say it any other way than that. It's, that's what it is. And if you're out here trying to justify

and mind fuck yourself and to think in that like,

you get both, you think you're gonna be the first human

in history to get both. Got to be another way. Yeah, there is no other way. Like dude, there's just no other way. But the good news is,

is that there's no risk in it either if you just understand that it's a mathematical formula. If you understand that if you win enough days in a row and your average of winning is high enough on a daily basis,

you're gonna win, then what's the fucking risk? What's the risk? There's no risk. It's just a journey. I love it man, guys Andy, question number two.

That doesn't build on this a little bit. Question number two, Andy, I'm the first person in my family who's even talking about owning a business or building wealth becoming successful.

But sometimes I feel like I'm carrying generations of expectations on my back and other times, I feel guilty because the path I'm choosing looks so different from what my family understands. For someone trying to break generational cycles,

how do you stay committed to the future you're building

“without feeling disconnected from where you came from?”

Look man, do you want the life that they have? Clearly you don't. Okay, very clearly because you had this ambition and this goal and this awareness that you're communicating through this question right now,

you don't want their life. You only get one life, okay? You do not owe your family if they were farmers for fucking 100 years and you have a different vision for your life, you do not owe your family

to be a fucking farmer and be miserable. You know, we only have one life, okay? And if you really want to break generational shit and you actually mean that, which most people say shit like that, but they don't,

then you will understand that in order to break that generational cycle, you are gonna have to win at a scale that makes people look and say, holy shit, look what the fuck he did, okay?

That means you got to win big, not just kind of big. That doesn't mean you go from being a farmer to, you know, something similar. Like working into the tractor fucking store, okay? Now, if that's your level of winning, I get it.

But that's not gonna change the fucking generational cycle. You're just gonna be a guy who did something different. You wanna change the generational cycle, you better win it a scale that every mother fucker that ever knew your name is like holy shit.

Did you hear about what the fuck DJ is doing? Did you fucking hear about that? Holy shit, that's what changes people's fucking generational cycle. So, so if that's really what you want, you gotta win so fucking big that it's uneniable, okay?

But, getting back to the question. If you don't want what they want, there's nothing wrong with that, okay? And if you have decent parents at all or people that care about you,

they want you to do better than them, all right? But a lot of people don't have decent parents, a lot of people have shitty parents. And I was blessed to have good parents. But I'm telling you, I thought everybody's parents

wanted them to do better than them,

“'cause that's what my parents wanted for me, all right?”

But none of everybody's liked that. And if you got parents liked that, that want you to do what they did, because that's the level of winning that they did.

doing other things and then they hide it

“behind this idea of, well, I don't want you to get hurt.”

You got cheap parents. I don't know what to tell you, sorry. Okay, sorry. And they're not gonna believe in you. They're not gonna support you.

They're not gonna clap for you until you've done it. And everybody else in the world recognizes what the fuck you've done. And then they're gonna be like, man. I was wrong.

You killed it. I'm proud of you. Maybe. If they're real shitty, they'll fucking hate you for it. - Yeah.

- Or it's a credit for it. That's my boy. - Look dude. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, look dude. I don't know what to tell you, man.

People get a different, they get, they draw a different straws, man. When it comes to your parents, you don't get to control who they are or what you're born into. And you've got to be adult enough to unemotionally

evaluate the situation and not just tie your life to what your parents want for you. When it's not something that you want,

because here's what will happen.

You'll get 10, 20, 30 years down the road. And you realize that you did this for their approval. And they don't even recognize that you did it for your approval anyway. They just think that it's something that you just did.

And then they'll think, they'll probably say shit, like this. Well, it's not like you did anything special with your life. You just did what everybody else does. So like dude, you're gonna try to bend your whole life

to get approval from people that will never approve of you. So at the end of the day, what's it coming down to? It comes down to what the fuck you want.

“And you have to be adult enough to evaluate that”

and have enough thick skin and emotional maturity to not connect your outcome to other people's approval. And also not hate your parents for not approving. You don't have to hate them because they don't approve. You can look at them and say, well, that's what they think.

That's okay.

Go to Christmas and thanksgiving and I could be cool,

but I'm gonna do my thing. And that's what an adult does. Does it say how old he is? No, I does. Yeah, well, if you're over the AJ team,

you're supposed to think for yourself. So I, personally, I think this is a fucking irrelevant, like, man, I hate when I get like this because I forget that this is hard for people when they're starting, but from where I sit,

it's irrelevant, which is this. Your life's gonna be so much better, so much more rewarding. You're gonna have so much more leverage on everything around you. You're gonna have so much more financial freedom,

so much more satisfaction and fulfillment in your life. Like, it's such a small thing to worry about in comparison to what the big picture is. And what you're gonna get out of it. Yeah, there's just hard to be when they're in it,

though, like, that is true. When you're 18, 19, 20, and your parents are all of a sudden, these people that you love and are supposed to be your biggest supporters or all of a sudden, they have these conflicting opinions

about what it is that you should do versus what you feel you should do. You don't trust yourself, you're like, fuck, do you don't know my parents know right, it's scary, right? I get it, but from where I sit, I'm just telling you, like, if you were sitting in front of me right now,

and I would tell you in front of you the fucking parents, too, because I could look right at your fucking parents and be like, yeah, you're actually failing and as a fucking parent right now, you understand that? And they would sit there because I'm me

and fucking hold their little head down and be the good ones just don't want to admit to do.

“Well, that's what you're fucking doing asshole, okay?”

The whole point of having fucking kids and raising them right is so that they can do better than you. Okay, if you're a good parent, the winning and parenthood, maybe I'm wrong, I don't have kids, so I could fucking see it totally wrong.

But if I did, and I was judging myself while I was a good parent and I would look and I would say, did I set this kid up to do better than me? Do they have the right character traits?

Are they good to other people? Are they, do they have integrity? Are they going to surpass what I did in my life? And those are the things that I would rate being a good parent on. Some of the things, but that's a big one.

I think a lot of parents don't want their kids to win because they don't want to be exposed for what they were not able to do. They're own and secured. Yeah, I would like to add a little bit to that

because I feel like there's also another side of it is that sometimes the kids have a bigger vision than what the parents have, of course. So according to the parents, they feel like they're doing the right thing by asking the kid to do

what they have seen been done all the time for sure. And what happens on the other end of it is the kid feels like, because the parents have provided me all these years, there's a very unexplained indirect pressure on the kid, like you say, you're loyal to the wrong people

That comes from this unexplained indirect pressure

from the parents to the kid that if you don't do what they tell you to do, you're somehow disrespecting all the stuff that you have done for them. Well, I mean, here's the deal. This is called being an adult.

And this is called maturity on both the parent and the child. Parents have to get to a point where they realize that you're not going to tell your kid what the fuck to do. And kids have to get to the point where they realize that they've got to do what they think is right.

And that's called breaking out and becoming an adult. But yeah, I agree with you. It comes from insecurity, bro. And also, like you've talked about self-awareness, too. How much self-awareness the parent have versus the kid have

and how are they interacting with each other and accepting each other? I mean, dude, let's be real. You grow up thinking your parents are super heroes, OK? And then you get out in the real world.

You get to be-- I don't know, 1718, 1617, 1819.

And that uncle that you thought was the coolest

uncle in the world, you kind of realized, like, oh, guys fucked up, right? And you start seeing the fucking world for what the fuck it is. That's right.

OK, what? Yeah, that's right. So I mean, I think that she's the part of life to you.

“That doesn't mean you have to think their shitty--”

That's right. You've got to realize that maybe they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Absolutely. You know how many people told me that I shouldn't do what I do

and shouldn't do what I did. I mean, fuck bro, most people. Most people. Most people, not a few people. Most people at some point communicated to me

whether it was directly or indirectly or forward to my face or like backhanded that what they thought I was doing was fucking stupid, totally stupid. And I can't even imagine at your skill, but I have experienced that in my life, too.

People have told me all my life and these are direct relatives that told me if I don't stop drawing,

I would never be able to do anything in my life.

But going back to the parent topic, I was thinking the other day is a boy or a girl or becomes a man or a woman, when they realized that their parents were not always right. And then they also at the same time realized

that it's not their fault because they're also doing it for the first time. - I agree, that's the majority thing I was talking about. - Yeah, it goes exactly the same. - It's the same.

- Look how many people fucking, too. Look how many of these people like blame and their parents for their outcome. That's like, oh, my parents were shit, bro. You realized that your parents didn't know

what the fuck they were doing either. They did the best they could. - That also goes in line with what you said. Like people have 100 times worse conditions than you and they have done 100 times better than you.

- Those people are what we call Pussy's. (laughing) - Okay, so I don't, I'm not here to help the Pussy's, bro. - That's right.

- I'm here to help the people who have that fucking inner drive, the inner ambition, the inner desire to be great and give them the tools to do that. I'm not here to save everybody from their fucking pussy done. - Okay.

- One of those shifts that happened to me when I started listening to you and I'm 100% sure every listener would relate to it is I stopped blaming everybody else for my conditions and I took responsibility and I said like, okay,

I've done some mistakes. This is my condition. What can I do? - Yeah, go from there. - Yeah.

- It could be a small scale, it could be a medium scale whatever it is.

“But I think that's a commonality between everybody”

that hears you and the podcast is they stop blaming somebody else and take responsibility. - Well, also dude, like that's part of the reason 75 hard and live hard exists, bro. Because what it does for people is it teaches people

that you are in control of most of the things that produce the outcome that you want, okay? Is there chance? Are there circumstances? Is there stuff called luck?

- Maybe. - Yeah, okay, but at the end of the day you don't put your whole life because you might hit a bad spot or you might get unlucky.

- That's right. - You control all the things you control what you eat, what you drink, how you move, how you train who you associate with, what information you put in your brain,

etc, etc, etc. And you continue to control those and invest in those at a high level and when the bumps come, they come, you're gonna keep moving.

- That's right. - But like most people will put their entire lives because they're afraid of something that might not happen. And then that thing that ends up happening

as a result of that is a thousand times worse. - That's right. - You get to live in purgatory your entire life wondering what might have been had I had the courage to actually go.

“And really dude, is there anything worse than that?”

Is there anything worse than sitting around at 50 or 60 years old and thinking, fuck,

I personally do, I can't think of anything worse than that.

- What you're saying is actually proven

“that it was a ER nurse who used to attend”

terminally ill patients. And because she has done it for decades, she actually compiled everything and put it in a book. And what you just said is one of the top five regrets of people who are on their death bed

is that they wish that they could have done more taking more chances and did what they actually wanted to do. - Bro, also though, I mean, there's a flip look dude, you can't have it all. Okay, you know, my birthday was last week

and I had people, you know, they hadn't talked to you in a while reach out, it had some conversations with them and stuff. And I was talking to one of my friends and you know, they were like, you know, my kids are,

my kids are getting ready to leave the house, you know, and I got divorced and, you know, I don't want to be alone. And, you know, they were asking me if I was happy with how things were going and I'm like, well, you know, I got this great business.

I've built a lot of things, I've helped a lot of people,

but you know, I was never able to have kids, okay?

And it wasn't, it wasn't my choice that just never happened. And so like, dude, no matter what, you're gonna have things that you wish you had, okay? But like, that's the perfect life. That's right.

That's the name of the game, dude.

“And like, you have to be able to be grateful for the life”

that you do have intentionally, like when I mean by that, it's like sitting down and saying, yeah, you know what, I don't have everything that I want, but man, I got this and this is really good. And I got this too, and that's really good.

And I got this and other people don't have that, right? But it was an interesting conversation because it was like the two sides of the coin, you know what I mean? This person had spent their life raising their kids and now is kind of like, well, what the fuck am I gonna do now?

And I've spent my life building this, and I'm kind of like, what the fuck am I gonna do now? You know what I'm saying? So like, it's a, it's a, it's a reality, man.

And it's just about like, what kind of,

what trades are you willing to make? And I don't know, you know, for most people that build businesses, they're still able to have kids. So like, I just wasn't one of them. So, you know, the point is, is that

you could either pay now and have what you want later, or you could have what you want now, and you could pay later. And that is just the paradox of life. It's gonna be hard now and easier later,

or it's gonna be easy now and hard later. That is the fucking way that life works dude. And the cool thing about taking the hard path early is that you get so acclimated to ship being hard that when it's hard later, you don't even fucking notice it.

That's just like what it is. That's right. You know, like the fucking world could fall down on my head and like, for an hour, I'm gonna be like, fuck,

“and then I'm like, all right, well, what are we gonna do?”

Like, let's fix this, yeah. - It's simplistic analogy, when you start working out, what you used to be really hard for you is, years later is your warm up. - Yeah, same thing. - Yeah dude, it's just the way the world works man.

You don't get to have everything dude. And people that say they have everything are lying. Okay, people that say they have everything and pretend like they don't have shit that they want, that they don't have,

there's a pitch coming. - Oh, okay. - Like I see these dudes on the internet and they're like, I got this great business and I got this great wife

and I got this great thing and I got this, this, this, this, - My my course. - Why my shit, how to do it? (laughing) - It's all fucking the actual explode.

- You know, people are getting disenfranchised with that too, like all the influencers that pretend to be pretty all the time. Everything's perfect all the time. Now people are getting disenfranchised with that.

- Bro, I have to peel myself out of bed like three days a week though. - Like, you don't have to do it like that. - The fuck, it's just the way it is man. It's called fucking life.

Now do you want to have life with some money? Do you want to have life with no money? - Yeah. - You know, you said that quicker. - I can tell you this.

- I've had life with no money. And it was a lot of fucking harder than when I have life now and I have some money. - That's right. - 'Cause you know what, like, I did, you know,

I was feeling down yesterday and I bought a motorcycle. - Yeah, it was like, like, like, maybe feel good for a couple hours. And I didn't have to stress about it.

I was just like, yeah, I'll take that. - You know, do I need it? - No, but it made me feel good for a couple hours. - No, I mean, like, I don't know what, like, that's real shit bro.

Oh, and that doesn't make you happy. No shit, but it made me happy for an hour. (laughing) - Fuck dude. - That's real man.

- Yeah, that's real bro. - We got one more minute. - We got one more minute. - Why do you do this bike? - I like to buy shit.

- Yeah. - Everybody's getting new shit. That's fun, dude. Yeah, bro, like it is what it is, man.

What would I say? - Yeah, that's the DJs, the King and that. - What is it? Impulsive purchases. - Oh, no, I like deals.

- Yeah. - Impulsive deals. - Impulsive deals. - Yeah. (laughing)

- He loves them timeshares, all right? - Yeah, man, guys, let's go one more question for you though. Guys, Andy, question number three, Andy. I'm 24, and I've heard you talk about how important intent is. And I think Tim Grover said it in a way

that be where your feet are, something to that effect. My question, can you talk more about why it's important to be more intentional about your time? And then how you become great at it?

“I think a lot of people struggle with this.”

I do for sure where I can be physically somewhere, but not there at all. - Oh, man, you know what? I don't really, I'm not the best at that. That's something I struggle with as well, you know?

Like even when I'm somewhere where I should be present, I'm thinking about other things. - Probably I think everybody does. - Yeah, I mean, especially now, we're phones in shit, right?

- Yeah, you could be a, you know, I think it but not. - Yeah. - Yeah, I think, I think it's a practice like anything. I think you got to practice it, you know, like put your phone fucking in a cabinet or something,

you know, and just kind of like be there. I'm not the best at that. I don't even feel qualified to answer it to be honest.

Like my mind's always in a million different places

at every single point in time. And, you know, you could literally be talking to me. And I look like I'm hearing everything you say and I'm hearing literally nothing. - Yeah.

- And those of you that have relationships, you've probably gotten okay at that. - That's right, that's right. But it's kind of like that for me and it comes in and out. And, you know, when I know I have to listen,

I will listen and when it's not, and this is gonna sound selfish, but when it's not something I truly care about, I just fucking tune it the fuck out. And I don't hear it.

And it's probably something I struggle with the most.

“And I think it just takes, you know, practice”

of being intentional. I will say this that when I do that,

never one time has something happened

where the world fell apart. Never one time did, you know, the businesses come doing it and burn down. - Yeah, like nothing bads ever happened. It's like a paranoia that you have as a business owner.

And I think that's natural when you build something from literal scratch, from nothing, you are so concerned about it all the time. Because for the first number of years dude, you are in a place where one or two things could happen

and you could literally be out of business, okay? And with social media, that is still kind of the case. Like there are things that can happen that put a big debt in your business if you're not like watching closely.

And, you know, I talk to my dad about this all the time, because like back in his day, you close the door five o'clock, dude, there was business hours. - Yeah. - Yeah.

“- And I think that this idea and this is kind of fucked up”

the world bro because it's fucked up families and it's fucked up culture and it's been bad. But competitors are gonna compete, right? And when it changed from, you lack the door and go home to, it doesn't matter if the door's locked business

is still going on. The competitors, the hungriest people saw that as an opportunity to get ahead. And it was no different than when people were using steroids and baseball.

Like you got two or three guys start using it, then we'll fuck, dude. It's like Andy Pettis said when he got caught, he's like, hey man, all these other dudes are doing it.

And I got a $20 million contract.

So you're telling me that you just wouldn't do it because to compete and everybody else, you have to do it. - Everybody's using the train side. You're still using that.

- You're gonna lose, you know? - And so when people started putting that time in and seeing that as an opportunity, the hungriest people, they made everybody have to operate that way. And so entrepreneurship now is much different

and it was 30 years ago and not in a good way, you know? And I don't think that's gonna change, so I think it's irrelevant to gripe about it. But it's different. And you know, you are signing up for a different life

but like we talked about in the second question, you know, there's a different outcome for that life. So, you know, I think it's just practice. You know, if I had kids, I'm sure I would be a much more serious about that, like my brother's very serious.

That's about that. Okay, like you cannot call my brother when he leaves the office. He will not answer his fucking phone. He fucking won't. He won't answer for me.

He won't answer, like it's tomorrow.

And I don't think it costs or say anything for him to be that way. You know what I mean? - Yeah. - So it's just a mental addiction that you get into, especially when you're very hungry.

And if you're gonna have a family,

“I think it's important to like really get that curtailed in.”

I don't have the typical go home, you know, deal. So for me, it's not something I've ever had to like really, like, really, really curtailed in, you know what I mean? So I'm probably the wrong guy to ask, but I'm just telling you again, you know, all these people that act like they got it all

figured out, they're full of shit, dude. And dude, you want to know who's really full of shit? It's like Z'sha and said a minute ago. It's the ones that act the most perfect. It's the ones that flaunt their marriage.

It's the ones that flaunt their, their perfect life. It's the ones that act like they have it all figured out. And then they try to market to you how you could do it, too. - That's right.

- And it's funny because Karma always comes around for those people.

Their relationship balls apart. There's a big breakup, something, and then it fractures their whole thing. I've seen it at gazillion times. - Million. - I actually think people that market their marriage

are fucking probably like, I think those are like the shitiest people. I'm being completely up, bro, they've got the biggest argument. - It's super weird. Not only that, it's your fucking family. And second of all, you don't fucking know how to be,

you don't have a perfect marriage, you fucking lying. - Yeah, what's the standard? - You're lying. - You're lying. - Yeah.

- You're lying, okay? You don't have it. And nobody has it all, nobody has it. - Right. And nobody's a fucking expert at it.

- The way I see it is, okay. Person A is married to person B. They might be really good doing that.

But I'm not a person, eh?

My wife's not person B. We are so different than that person. - It dude.

“- How can I take love in marriage advice?”

- Because it's, it's hope. And that's hope and convenience are only two products that are ever fucking sold, okay? And people live in a shitty marriage with a shitty life. They see something like that.

And they say, well, I hope that maybe I could do that too. And then they buy their shit. And I just think it's low level scum shit. That's my personal opinion of it. - The last thought on this, I just don't,

I just, that's my personal opinion of it. Like, I don't think that that's something that people should be marketing. And I don't think that people that are really good at business, do that.

Like, you build businesses. - That's right. - You know what I mean? - That's right. - Last thought on the intentionality piece of it too,

'cause I do not think about this all the time. You know, you're, I'll be scrolling and I see like the videos are like the like concerts from like the 80s, right? And you look at the crowd.

And then obviously this is before cell phones and shit and it's just people just there. And they're in that moment. They really, they can really, you know, relive that concert a million fucking times in a lifetime.

And it's just like a so weird house society, just in general, has moved from that. - How many times do you think people that record fireworks watch the fireworks? - It's right.

The answer is fucking zero.

- How many times do people that go to a concert pick up their phone and look at the concert on the phone? - They don't like it. - Yeah, bro. - It's stupid.

It's a study that actually came out that talks about first. It was attending the event that gave you the indoor friends that gave you the dopamine hit. Next it moved to actually capturing it. So I have it captured.

- I'm here. - My phone, I'm here. That was here. I can capture it. - It's captured it.

- And now it has elevated. It has elevated because now the people are getting the dopamine hit from people commenting oh, it's so cool after you post. - Oh yeah, that's what's here.

- People are theatrically living for the approval of people that they've never even met in real life. - That's right. - That's weird. - It's so weird.

“That's why people have this fake online personas.”

They just want to show you the highlights. - Oh, it's also why when you meet a lot of these people in real life, they're nothing like what they are. - Oh, hmm. - Somebody said that to me.

I don't remember who said it to me, but this guy was telling that he went to a business expo and most of the people were like really, really young. Doing business, that's cool. But then he was actually going to talk to them.

They were so awkward and it could not stand a real conversation because they're so accustomed to doing everything online and typing for everything behind the camera. - Well, it's the same reason why young dudes can't go up to girls in public when they're had to do it.

- Right. - You know what I'm saying? - Like you said, "Do you have music?" - Yeah. - Do you have music?

- Yeah, but like, you know, I mean, look, bro. You can't put the jeanie back in the bottle. It's not gonna happen. The best you can do is learn how to manage it appropriately. And this is why we're seeing in-person experience

makes such a good comeback. - And everything that was really hot in the '90s is coming back. - Right. - Because people are recognizing what we've been talking about.

They're recognizing the damage that social media has done to culture and they're over it. And they're looking for authentic human connections.

that are that way. They're looking to spend time with their friends. They're looking to be in a community. And that's, a lot of companies are gonna really struggle

because they've never done business.

- They're gonna make that adjustment.

“- I love it because that's how we built our business.”

- Right. - And you also said that years ago. - Yeah, yeah. - And this is gonna come back. - Oh yeah, of course, bro.

I don't, when you've been doing something for as long as I have, you know, and you have to pay micro attention on a day by day basis over the course of decades. It's not hard to understand what's happening or see it. You know?

And it's not some superpower or psychic ability. It's just me, I got pattern recognition of the course of 30 years, you know? So, you know, I think a lot of businesses are gonna struggle with how to connect with people

because they never had to do it.

There's a lot of businesses that exist right now that were built in the height of that social media world. That are gonna have a really hard time adapting to the way that people are gonna prefer to do business in the future.

And the good thing about me is that I grew up in that era. You know, I built a business before the internet came. I built a great business when the internet came. And I'm gonna continue to build great business 'cause I understand both worlds.

So, real man, you know, experiential, you know, in person, human analog connection is just gonna continue to get bigger and bigger.

“And I think once it comes back this next time,”

it's not ever gonna go back to social. It's that meaning social media. It's never going to. You know, the dead internet theory talks about this. Like over 50% of the accounts on the internet

are fucking actually not even real people, their bots. So, when you think about that, and you see all these comments on the internet, and you realize like, half of these people statistically are bots, what are you actually doing?

You know what I'm saying? You're performing for a computer program. And wouldn't it be in the social media companies best interest to create mass networks of artificial intelligence people

that can communicate with the real people and make them feel like a big deal? Wouldn't it be in the social media's companies best interest to allow people to gain millions of followers even if those followers weren't real

because it makes people be addicted to their program, keeps them on the platform. Okay, so like, dude, let's think about this, bro.

Do you know what a million people fucking looks like?

Should've done it. Okay, like, I just want you to think about this. The University of Michigan's football stadium and Ohio State in Nebraska holds roughly 100,000 people. Okay, think about that.

Now, think about 10 of those, or 20 of those, or 30 of those, one, two, three million, of those people watching someone make fucking stupid ass videos. That's not real, dude.

It's not real, okay? In the personal development world, we have this thing that is called asses and seats, okay? There's lots of people who make content who get all this traffic, and they get all these comments,

and they get all these views. But they can't fill a room with 1,000 people. They can't fill a room of 500 people. Why is that? That's because the fucking shit's fake.

That's right. Okay? And they're not making a real impact. And they're not making a difference. They're performing for a few regular people

and mostly a computer program. And then you think about like,

“that's how you're gonna spend your life, you know?”

Like, that's one of the reasons I kind of got out of posting on a regular basis, 'cause I'm just like, yeah, it doesn't really matter. Like, when I sell tickets to shit, people show the fuck up, but that's because

of the cumulative benefit that I provided for decades, right? Like, most people have seen my content, most people, that are on the internet, have seen my content. Now, I'm not gonna have the most followers, all right? Now, I'm not gonna get the most comments, but my shit has been

shared accumulatively for 15 years, heavily, okay? And that creates a situation where people have gotten value out of it, which creates a situation where, when I sell tickets, people show the fuck up. And, you know, that's real influence.

I'm not just saying that to put my own horn, there's a difference between intention and influence. And most people want influence, but they mistake it

And, you know, I think a lot of people waste their lives

“trying to be relevant to people on the internet”

that might not even be real people. And that's kind of fucked up. - I didn't wanna cut you off, but I did wanna say this point, when you said your clips have been shared

for the last 15 years, and I have created real influence, I am the proof of that.

The first time I ever saw any content of you

was a compilation and a YouTube video. And when your video came up, the MFCO podcast was on the screen, I started listening to that, and then everything in my life slowly gradually changed.

“And now, especially after coming and working here,”

being around everybody for the last six years, the team, you, everybody, everything in my life has been changed forever now. Like you said, once you realize your potential, you can never go back.

- Yeah.

- So now I have realized, like I can do all of this,

yeah, I'm doing right now. And just like me, there are hundreds and hundreds of people who have come for the OS event, at summer smash event, they have changed their lives completely drastically.

We have hundreds and hundreds of testimonials of that. - Well, I mean, dude, it's just 'cause like, I'm trying to put shit out that actually helps people. - That's right. I'm trying to tell people the reality,

like, not market to them. - Well, it also, it was just going to say that, doesn't that also tie into the intent? Like you were talking about public speaking, you know, like, I don't know, you know, if you give people benefit,

they're gonna buy your shit, it's a reciprocal thing, you know, like, you know, I don't know.

When you first out of curiosity, I never ask you this,

“but like, were you living in America or were you living in India?”

- I was living in America at that time. - Oh, I'm serious. - No, that's a good question. - Yeah, I was in Chicago at that time. That was roughly 2016.

I moved to America in 2014. - Oh, exactly. - It was just curious. - Yeah. - My older brother was a big element

in trying to expose me to stuff like this, just to get us motivated a little bit. - Yeah. - And that's what got me. - That's cool.

- Yeah. - That's super cool. - Yeah, man. - What guy is saying? That was three.

- Yep. - All right, guys, well, let's go kick some asses week and we'll see you later. Don't be a ho! - Shut the shit.