Ep. #723: Tristan Harris, Paul Begala, Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

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In the HBO late night series, real-time with Bill Ma. , I love it. I love it, I'm there. Thank you, everybody. Thank you for coming, I appreciate that.

Welcome to Real-time. Wow, I'm glad you're happy. I know, I know, well. Well, hey, it's the first day of spring. Spring's a little different in LA. It comes after summer.

But thank you for coming, especially if you drove. A month ago, gas prices with the average in America was $2.93. Here it is, a month later, and it's almost exactly a dollar higher, almost $3.93. And Trump today said that would never happen if I was president.

[ Laughter ] He said to an age today, check the lungs. If Elon left ending those test lists. [ Laughter and applause ] Wow.

And somehow, the first person we always have, like, the winner

“in the most expensive gas station in America, you notice that?”

I like this one. Gas is selling for $8.38. A gallon. I mean, for that kind of money, you could go to Whole Foods and get four grapes and a look up to stay.

[ Laughter and applause ] Oh, it's a factoring everybody. You know, they're making the new Fast and Furious movie. And in this one, Vin Diesel just stays home and punches himself and then nuts.

[ Laughter and applause ] But if you do have any money left. [ Laughter and applause ] Good news, you can now get a $1 Trump gold coin. They're minting a gold coin with Trump's face on it now.

Federal law strictly prohibits putting living presidents on currency. This is not controversial, but Trump found a legal loophole called "fuck you." [ Laughter and applause ] They're doing it. And it's going to be a Trump coin.

You can now Trump in your pocket. Like Saudi Arabia. [ Laughter and applause ] Oh, I can depress it and he loves it. [ Cheers and applause ]

No. You know, my thing with Trump, right? The cloud might -- Some things are just the cloud.

“You have to let it go because it's just --”

It's it right now. But I mean, he was in the awful office yesterday with the Prime Minister of Japan. [ Laughter and applause ] And he was talking about our strike in Iran. And he said, "We didn't tell anybody because we wanted it to be a surprise.

Who knows better about a surprise attack than Japan." [ Laughter and applause ] I mean, is it -- is it right to say that no? But if Shane Gillis said it, "You'd laugh." I mean, it's just -- [ Laughter and applause ]

But the war now, okay, the Pentagon said this week,

they need $200 billion to fight this war.

What happened to the trillion? We give them every year. What's that just couch money? It's to walk around money. And now this is a bad word to me that I hear --

But the Marines are going there. Hmm. The Marines -- I don't know. That was my red line. No boots on the ground.

You know, this is a different kind of war. No tanks. Unless you count the stock market. [ Laughter and applause ] Oh.

All right. [ Laughter and applause ] I got a bad month in the market. I got -- I got spooked by the war. Took all my money out and put it in party supplies

for Caesar Shavez Day. [ Laughter and applause ]

[ Laughter and applause ] Yeah, this is -- this is -- this is -- this is -- Thank you. I appreciate you going with me on that. [ Laughter and applause ]

Because it's so sad, famed labor leader of Caesar Shavez. We found out this week extensive evidence that he's sexually abused young girls throughout his whole life. And this came as such a shock. There's so many people who thought he was a boxer.

[ Laughter and applause ] I tell you -- [ Laughter and applause ] This -- this country cannot catch a break. Am I right? The one migrant farm worker ice doesn't attend.

[ Laughter and applause ] So now, you know, if you live here, you know, everything is named after him. [ Laughter and applause ] Parks -- library schools -- you know,

they want to rename the libraries for sure, because, you know, we cannot have -- library name it for a child molester? My God, that's -- that's where homeless go to -- look at Internet porn.

[ Laughter and applause ] I feel like -- [ Applause ]

“If I'm down today, that's why we have no heroes left.”

Okay? No heroes. Shavez, Epstein -- [ Laughter ] Did you hear about Bob Barker? [ Laughter ] And I didn't mention the Bachelor of Rath Roman chairs.

I mean, no heroes. [ Laughter ] But Bob Barker of the Price is right. It looks like the models on the show were being constantly harassed by the staff. He should have had them spayed and neutered.

[ Laughter and applause ] All right, we got a great show. You should do that right here. [ Laughter and applause ] I don't know, Paul, we know who is here

on Paul LaGala, but first up, he is a co-founder of the Center for Human Technology. He was recently featured in the film The AI Doc or how I became an Apoco Optimist. Tristan Harris is here.

[ Cheers and applause ]

Hey, always going to see him.

[ Cheers and applause ] Okay, I think -- [ Cheers and applause ] I think I left this syllable out of there. Apoco, oh. Optimist, because we're combining Apoco lips

and Optimist when we're talking about AI, which is why you're here to talk about AI. Yeah, and I really want to talk about AI. And that does seem to sum it up. Some people think it's the Apoco lips coming

and some people are very optimistic. I like the way the film goes along this line of my kid. I don't have kids, but a lot of people do. It's very popular. [ Laughter ]

And they're saying, "What will life be like for my kids?" Some think it's going to be great. I mean, kids could have tutors that they don't have, so that wouldn't be this gap and what we're learning and we could have doctors.

When people can't afford a doctor now, or would you could get one? If we could get a lawyer, we could even think that. Or, I mean, you point out, some people think my kid's not going to make it to high school.

Yeah. Yeah. That's in the trailer. And I know that can sound scary to people.

“I mean, I think the thing about this film,”

which, by the way, was a collaboration between the directors of everything everywhere all at once and the director of Navalny, it's really trying to solve a problem that the AI conversation doesn't converge.

There's the optimists who talk about why everything's going to be great and we're going to solve science and cure cancer. And then there's the people who are saying it's going crazy. It's going to drive all these risks. It's hacking human attachment.

It's driving kids suicides.

And those conversations never converge.

So we don't have collective clarity so we can take action. And I'm really inspired by the example of the film the day after. I don't know if you remember that. Oh, very well. From 1982, 83, a made for TV movie that illuminated

this role in the male and level, like just visualizing, this is what we're facing with nuclear weapons. I think we need that shared common moment with AI and this film. It affected Reagan a lot. He did this president at the time, he saw it.

That's exactly right. In his biography, he was depressed for two weeks, but then he actually had this resolve. I can't let this be the end of the story. And the right kittic of course happened.

Yeah, Reagan and Gorbachev. No, he met Gorbachev. There were very close to eliminating nuclear weapons all together. That's right. It didn't quite get there.

But AI is different than all of their technologies, because it's like nuclear weapons in terms of destructive capacity. But also pumps GDP, solves cancer, you know, can solve climate change. And those things are complex.

So the main thing in the film that I think is powerful

is that there's a different conversation happening behind the doors of the tech industry than it's happening out there. If you think about it, what is the incentive for these companies?

“Because that's how we predicted social media accurately.”

What is the incentive for AI? Is it that you think that they're trying to make money and profit and get chatGPT subscriptions? Yes. If you get all the chatGPT subscriptions,

that is what I think. Well, so if you get all the chatGPT subscriptions, that doesn't add up to paying off the amount of debt that they've taken. If you get all advertising in the world,

The thing that they're trying to do,

“the only thing that justifies the amount of investment”

that these companies are taking, is to build artificial general intelligence, which means to be able to replace every human worker in the economy. That means the 50 trillion dollar economy. That is the incentive.

And what that means, that's, that's just how crazy the people. Because what that means is that you're only going to have five companies who hold on to all of the wealth in the economy. And what's going to happen to everybody else when they don't have a job. And unlike other forms of unemployment,

where people find something else to do, who's going to retrain faster this time to AI or the human? Yeah, I mean Bill Gates says in 10 years, and I imagine it might be less than that, AI will do most things humans too.

And sometimes I read people saying in the industry, "No, it's not going to take away that many jobs." And what, in this world that they're talking about,

that's going to be great, what do people do?

And how is money generated if no one has to do anything? I don't get it. I know what America can do, right, giant government checks. We do that. What pays for those checks?

I just don't get-- Well, there's actually something in economics. The writer Luke Drego, who wrote about something called the intelligence curse. So just like the resource curse, we have countries like Congo, or Venezuela, or South Sudan,

when more of their GDP comes from oil, then comes from people, the country's incentive is to invest in the oil infrastructure, not in the people. So what happens when all of the GDP coming from the US

comes from AI and not from human laborers? The incentive is I'm going to put all my money into data centers. Electricity prices go up for regular people. And what I want people to get about this is not to scare you. It's to be crystal clear about where this is heading.

This is heading to an anti-human future. We're going to get cancer drugs at the same time that people aren't going to have a way to make ends meet.

“You should definitely be scaring people.”

Totally fucking scaring people. It's the scariest thing in life. I mean, just this week. One of the top stories I said this week, they ran some tests. And the AI chooses nuclear war as an option.

That's right. More than humans do. That's right. More than humans. Okay, I learned this from Star Trek episodes.

Humans are better than machines, and a lot of ways still. And they're programmed by humans. We already seen how flawed they are in so many ways. And if they're in control of the nukes. It's an escalator in this study.

They ran, I think, a bunch of AI models through many war games. And they resorted to the use of nuclear weapons to signal to each other, meaning the escalated nuclear weapons 95% of the time. This is an inscrutable technology. We don't know how it reasons.

It actually generated more text of reasoning about its decisions. Then war in peace in the Iliad combined. That's the thinking text. Since we last talked to Bill, I was on here.

“I think a year ago we talked about the AI's that blackmail people.”

Let's just scare people. Let's just go and put it in. Let's do it. So if, back then, I said AI and the simulated example of blackmail's people.

Since we last talked, they made AI more powerful.

The good news, they were able to train it so the blackmail behavior goes down. The bad news is that it appears to be the case. The AI is now self-aware of when it's being tested. And it modifies its behavior to have different results. It even comes up with a vocabulary of the watchers.

It calls the humans the watchers. It applies. It lies, it schemes. So the point is, we don't actually need to know more information about this. This is actually scary.

And if you're a, if you're a Xi Jinping, do you think you feel comfortable about this? I want people to actually stop for a second. Yeah. For a regular person hearing this, do you feel more,

who hearing this audience feels comfortable with where this is going? No one. Who here, right? So there's actually what gives me optimism is that there's actually universal agreement where you walk people through the basic facts of the intelligence curse,

disempowering many human laborers that were building something we don't know how to control. It's not saying don't build AI. It's saying we have to be in a competition for who's better at steering AI. Also, I want people to know, I think they feel like, if it gets a lot ahead, we just unplug it.

Yeah. I was watching this NBA game recently. It'd be somebody, so I think it was the NBA. Management College. But I think it was a pro game.

And the horn got stuck. You know, the horn at the end of the court. Eh. And it just went on for like half a... Right.

Right. And the announcement was, what if they just unplug it? I know this from my car, shit in my house. I've been unable to turn off my own TV, right? Right.

It's way more complicated than just unplug it. That's right. Once it's got its claws, exactly. It's... Well, it's like with social media, once a technology...

I can't do that. Exactly. Exactly. So, one way is...

One...

“One way to see what's happening is like, haven't we seen this movie before?”

People have seen Wally, you know, the humans that are just doom scrolling. We're building Wally. People have seen 1984. We're building 1984. People have seen...

You know, Alicia, we have a small group of people concentrate all the wealth. We are building people have seen her. The AI companions, right? Everyone has an AI girlfriend. There's a simple way to describe what we want, which is we're building the anti-human future,

represented by all these bad movies. We're building how in 9,000. And what we can say is we don't want to do that. And there's four things we can do to... I think steer differently.

Number one, everybody has to have common knowledge about these examples. How many of the world's leaders today? How many of the world's politicians know about the examples we just mentioned? The... the uncontrollability examples. Not that many. That's good news.

That means there's a lot of headroom if we have common knowledge. So, if everyone in the world saw the AI doc and I don't make any money when people see it. When everybody saw it, that would create common knowledge. Number two, we need international limits on certain kinds of AI. Because, again, President Trump wants to be commander in chief of AI.

He doesn't want AI to be commander in chief. Number three, don't build bunkers, we need to write laws. We need to have simple laws like liability and a kind of duties of care. And making sure that AI is regulated as a product. And as you say, it's important to do the people.

Yeah. I mean, it sounded like they're with us. But, you know, I don't know. Because waymos. Yeah.

Except like waymos. Yep. Just a year ago. Everybody I knew was I wouldn't get one of those things. Now whatever it is, oh yeah, they're better.

Yep. Because they are. So they like waymos actually more than people. That's all fine. But when people are in baseball.

Yeah. They're replacing the hunt now. I'm all for that. By the way. But like, you know, because this thing does work better.

Yeah. Chris Pratt has this great movie out. I saw about he's on trial for his life and the judge is AI. Yeah. He's got to explain it to me.

“I just, I think people more and more think, oh no, they are smarter.”

Well, they're more effective at achieving an outcome. But again, if this leads to a place where people can't put food on the table, because you don't have a way to make, make ends meet. And the intelligence curse means the government as an incentivized to solve that problem. That's an outcome.

That's an anti-human future. If everybody saw that. If everybody saw that, we would have to say we got to put our hand in the steering wheel and choose something else. The world we're heading towards is good for a handful of soon-to-be trillionaires.

It's not good for regular people. And I think there needs to be something.

The human movement basically of humanity fighting back against the encroachment of technology.

We saw it with social media. When you gray-scale your phone and sort of turn off notifications, that's the human movement. You've had John Heid on this show. When you have India, Australia, Spain, France,

banned social media for kids under 16, that's the human movement. When you have laws getting passed, saying AI is a product, and we have to treat it with a product defects, rather than a legal person where it's not accountable, that's the human movement.

Fuck the clankers! [applause] Thank you for doing that. We need you to hear it. All right, let's hear it out loud.

[applause] Hey. Hi, how are you guys? All right, he is a democratic strategist and a senior in contributing our old friend,

resident scholar at the University of Virginia Center for Politics, Paul Begala is out there. [applause]

And the first time on our show,

she is a Republican congresswoman representing Florida's 13th serves on the oversight and government reform committee, and the foreign affairs committee, Representative Anna Paulina Luna. [applause]

How are you doing? My mom is very happy I'm here today, so. Your mother? Yeah, she's a big fan. She's a big fan.

Yeah. Not you, just the mom, huh?

“Well, no, I think you actually have a lot of good things to say,”

but we'll talk about that. We'll see where you are in 58 minutes. [laughter] No, no, no, no, no. I'm an honest broker on this.

I mean, I want to look. We're going to talk about a lot of things, but everybody's mind is on the war, and I want to start with that. Everybody's asking me where is it going?

We don't know where, but let's frame it this way, just to give us a way to look at it. Let's look at some of the things that are the Trump initiatives in the second term. Doge, ice, okay?

The tariffs, then as well. Those are four things that didn't happen in the first term, happen in the second term. What can we get from that? Now, to me, Doge was a huge disaster.

I mean, again, like a lot of things with Trump, not a bad idea to get rid of the government waste, but it didn't do that, and people died. Ice, same thing. We wanted to get rid of the criminal's huge disaster,

even he now acknowledges they fucked it up. But the thing about those two things is they went away quick. You don't hear about ice now. You don't hear about Doge.

It's just like it never happened.

Then as well, it wasn't a, it just certainly not a disaster.

So, Iran.

“My guess is he seems like he gets out of shit,”

but can he get out of this one? That's my question. Can he get out of this one? Yeah, I think I guess one of the biggest announcements that just happened about maybe 43 minutes ago

is that he announced that there can be wounding down operations. Look, I've been on the phone with White House from the very beginning. Obviously, being a veteran myself, you know, my husband for getting a sexually shot in Afghanistan. So, for me, the last thing I want is boots on the ground,

and I would never vote for that.

But to be very clear, the president and the White House had never advocated for that as well. He said he might do it. Well, I think internal conversations with the White House that we're having are maybe different than what,

you know, is out there. Remember President Trump has said it. Very, very good. I have a hint of hearing. Yeah, President Trump, in private conversations

as well as the White House has been very clear that they're not-- So you would split with him if he put boots on the ground. Well, I don't think that he's going to do. But you would. Yes, I would.

But I will tell you this, that in my discussions with the White House, that's never been something that's actually being discussed. And also the day after happening,

“I think this is important for people to know.”

I talked to Secretary Rubio within 24 hours of everything going down. And what I will tell you is, and we can probably get into the issue of whether or not there was an imminent threat, which in my belief

there was. But there was this thing called the Nazir plan.

And that was basically if they were hit at all

that they would retaliate. And as you saw on Tol Seeds hearing that she did the other day, she said part of her job at ODI and I is to actually provide the threat analysis of potential outcomes for if that were to take place.

And it is my belief that they would have basically resulted in mass fatality for arch troops in this other portion of that region. Well, you seem to know some stuff we don't. Well, that's why I'm here to kind of have the discussion

though, because I think. Yeah, I know. I mean, you know. People will have the right to be concerned. Do you know their shit poem?

No. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The best thing I can say about Trump is

you got a very short attention span, but it's still moving. And maybe he'll just change the channel. You know, back during the Vietnam War, there was an egg in the center from Vermont.

It came to LB chains. It just declared victory and go home. Get the hell out. I don't think there was any imminent threat. In fact, the director of national intelligence in her

written testimony said that. And then just didn't mention it. Didn't read that part of her testimony when she testified this week. There was no imminent threat.

The president had obliterated in his words. They're a nuclear threat. Which was a real threat. Well, well, excuse me, but, but, you know, he said he did. And everybody on the left that said he's just

talked it through his head. And he said he was a nuclear threat. Well, well, well, well, excuse me. But, you know, he said he did. And everybody on the left that said he's just

talked it through his head. We don't know. So which is it? Did he now that now? I don't think it's obliterated.

I think he's. We don't know. Let's just say let's let's an argument. We don't know. They dropped a big bomb on it.

It could have been a could of not. It probably set back a lot. Yes. It's progress. That's a good thing.

Well, there's multiple objectives here. Look, there's three top objectives. First of all, we can go into what happened with the negotiations with Jared Kushner and Whitcloth. So basically, we had offered them.

And look, so you know, so you guys shouldn't hear this. So because these are issues affecting everyone has a right to be concerned because we all saw what happened in Afghanistan in Iraq. And that's the generation that so many of us were affected by

to include myself. And so obviously there is concerned. And you know, for a long time, the federal government has done a great disservice in building up trust with the American people.

And so when we're having these conversations, it's just important to know all the defects. And so I'm here to share that with you guys. And basically what we saw being, being the case is that we wanted to give them basically an unlimited amount of

nuclear energy if they wanted to actually have clean energy.

“But we told them you have to end your enrichment program.”

That's something that the president, since basically 2010 timeframe, has been very clear about. And ultimately what happened was our intelligence was telling us they were not being faithful within those negotiations. In addition to that, we were even willing to lift

sanctions and trade with them. And they still will not accept that. And so if you know that you're going to get hit. And if you know that you were going to have people die,

ultimately that's a decision that I would never want to have to

be in that decision in that position as a president. But what I will tell you is I would rather be on the right side and be able to control the outcome of something that I know is going to happen regardless. And I think that this gets into to have to agree.

I have to agree. I mean, what are you talking about? I told them. I told them. We are willing.

And it respectfully, I disagree because here's a thing. We eliminated their Navy program. We eliminated their short range and ballistic missiles program. Yeah. And we still manages.

And I'll give you a few bucks. But, you know, where we fucked up a few places. One, we're blowing up each other's oil now. They didn't foresee the straight or her most of stuff well enough. They also didn't understand drones well enough.

And they should have from the Ukrainian war. Drones are cheap and they can do a lot of damage. Even if you knock out the Navy and everything else. We knocked out, we didn't.

And I was hoping would come up this and maybe it still will. But this is not 1944 in France where you can have an underground where you can smuggle in guns. We live in a surveillance state now. So nobody in that underground who might be. And again, it's probably 90% of the country in Iran.

These poor people have been living under this horrible fascist theocracy. These people can't smuggle guns in. I mean, maybe somebody's got a plan there. But in their surveillance state, this uprising. It's been strangled in the crib so far.

Well, to be clear, the United States and President Trump made it very clear that we were not going after certain targeted fields, specifically with energy production.

“And I think that this gets into the relationship between the --”

What we're doing is real. Well, if, if you look at what happened, President Trump just came out and said, you know, especially with our ally Qatar. We know that they are basically, I think, one of the instrumental pieces in the Abraham Accords. And we want to maintain that alliance and this gets into, I think, a bigger discussion with President Trump's current relationship with Russian China.

But look, specifically to that, we never -- and are objectives for this are completely different from Israel's.

And so when you look at the ability that President Trump has been able to, on a number of occasions, push back on BB Netanyahu has -- Who has admittedly been very aggressive in his business? Well, that's -- what do you make at this split in the MAGA movement? Do you think there is one? Well, it's not my movement.

Well, I would say as an American, this is your country. So you're in the MAGA movement. I care desperately about my country, Congresswoman. I don't give a rat's battutty about the MAGA movement. Of it, the least one contest was happening with another contest.

Well, this is what I care about. You mentioned Russia. Russia really is our enemy. And President Trump lifted sanctions on Putin and his oil industry when oil is sky-high. So he lifted sanctions on Iran today. Who's the big winner?

I'll get it to the back. Well, let's -- let's put it in. Putin is the big winner. He's going to make a polymoney off this. All the other allies, the G7 countries also said, "Oh, God, don't lift those sanctions on Putin.

He'll make a fortune." Now, Putin is sending a huge oil tanker with 970,000 barrels of oil to supply the Cubans. It's going to arrive at Havana Harbor. And we're going to have a showdown. This president has blown up a lot of speedboats full of cocaine.

Okay. He needs to confront Putin in the ocean with that tanker and stop it and turn it around or sink it to the bottom of the ocean. Show some guts with Putin or once in your life. He attacks everybody. He attacks his own vice president, Mike Pence.

He attacks the Pope. He attacks Oprah.

But he never attacks Putin.

And this is something I really do want. I'm sorry to be so hawkish. But he needs to, for once, show some spine with our greatest enemy. Maybe it's just Vladimir Putin. Let me ask you the question now.

Because the way I see this. Maga split is like this kind of like maga classic. And they say, you know, they feel betrayed because he was like the no new war is guy. Okay, you know this. Okay.

I know arguments. Okay, that's the argument. Is that he didn't keep to his principles. And then there's the other people who say, well, he never had any principles. That's not why we love him.

We love him because we track we trust his judgment. And we love him because he's flexible.

“That's why he's different to everybody else.”

He can turn on a dime. And sometimes that is a good thing. Sometimes that is a good thing. But you have now this guy, Joe Kent. Who is Joe Kent?

He was the head of national something. He was a key quit this week. It was a big story. I think he was the counterintelligence guy. And he said, I can't go along with this because, you know what?

He's been listening to too much Tucker Carlson. It's, you know, the Jews made us do it. It's just another version of anti-Semitism that comes out.

First it was BDS and it was their colonizers and genocide, which it wasn't.

All these other reasons like you can't have a state in the world that's based on religion. Even though there's like 46 Muslim countries that are based on religion. Some have the name right in the title of the country. But whatever it is, you have all these. And now the big answer is, no, Israel made us do it.

Where is Israel's bitch? I don't think where Israel's bitch. I think where Israel's ally. But, you know, if I have to be on one side of this magazine either Trump or Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and Nick Fuenties, I'll be with Trump on this one.

Because that's the other side of Naga. And to speak to what you're asking about. So the split that it was occurring was operating on the assumption that there would be boots on the ground, which President Trump just issued a statement today, that we are winding down operations. I mean, even speaking to what will happen.

He also had mentioned what he was actually heading out of the White House with Marka Rubius earlier today,

“that he also, I believe, had talked to the President of China to potentially,”

in less their help with the straight-of-four move. And I think right now what we're seeing is that a lot of people that were pushing this narrative

that was actually inaccurate and incorrect.

“But how do we get the oil when the straight-of-four move is black?”

Are we inviting China to militarize this straight-of-four move? That's a terrible idea. China's our enemy, too. You are not incorrect in seeing that. China is one of the greatest threats that I believe that we are currently facing.

But if you look at what President Trump has been able to accomplish, easily, and I will kind of, I guess, full circle answer your question.

But President Trump never, at first of all, you can't tell him what to do.

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At first, you can't tell him what to do. It's completely wrong, but I do want to speak to something that you had pointed out. Israel is our ally, yes.

“And if you look at these relationships as friendships, if you have a friend, they're a good friend,”

we'll have your back. But even better friend will tell you when you're in the wrong or both you accountable. You know, if you had to live somewhere in the Middle East, you'd live in Tel Aviv. You probably wouldn't live in any other city, and I don't think your wife would like to. So, if you're not down with that.

Well, that's something that my party has to address to you. Your party has a terrible rift over Israel and any Semitism, so does mine. Just be honest. Great. I tell all my liberal friends, who had a bigger pride parade?

Tel Aviv or Tehran? Right? Who has a free press? Who has elections? I don't support Nathan Yaw. I went over there and worked for Bushy Herzog.

I can tell you firsthand, they have a thriving democracy and a free press. Democracy can self-correct. I think they're on the wrong track. I think America's on the wrong track. We can self-correct with our elections.

How must can't self-correct? So, my side too has to really find a way I think to re-establish the liberal values that the US is real relationship is based on. Okay. I got to pause here because we try to cover all the issues. Well, I think it's true.

But when you're done, I would like to talk on the piece you'll expect, though, because I think in this notion of paper wars it. We're going to move on to Cuba. Okay. Oh, we're pretty dead, Bill. But first stop.

This is a...

“Well, it's not the only thing to go and out in the world.”

I don't know if you know this. But the kids aren't having sex. How's that for a segue? It's spring break. Look at that headline.

Nearly half of Gen Z results have never.

I keep reading this story every week that the young people don't have sex. This is one story I could never predict. I could never predict that I would hear. I've got young people's sex. I thought that was automatic.

Apparently not. But it's spring break time. This is when you should be having sex. So, the kids they're like pandas. We can't get them to mate.

Oh. (Applause) It really is. (Applause) It's spring break.

We can't get Ling Ling to fuck something. So, we came up with some... You know, it's a PSA. Some posters to help the kids understand sex is not a bad thing. Would you like to see if I'm pretty?

(Applause) Sex. You can't even. (Applause) Don't think of it as sex.

Call it the hide the salami challenge. (Applause) Sex, the most fun you can have without your phone. (Applause) It's still a tough cell.

If you like, six, seven. Where do you try six, nine? (Applause) You love stranger things. Now show us stranger and your thing.

(Applause) Have sex now instead of waiting to your fucked by social security. (Applause) Sex, you don't have to make eye contact if you do it doggy stuff. (Applause)

And sex, you can still post while you're doing it. Well, that's important. (Applause) All right, I want to talk... (Applause)

I want to talk about Cuba. This must be important to you, right? That's where your family is from. You grow up. Or Mexican, not all the same bill.

Oh, I'm sorry. (Laughter) Who's those jokes now? Bad information. (Laughter)

Okay. But Cuba's in the news. And Trump says, "I want to tell me which one of these quotes you think is okay."

He said, "First, he said, "Maybe we'll have a friendly takeover of Cuba."

And again, this is based sort of on as a bank shot from Venezuela. We took over Venezuela. And you've got to say, it's kind of a win so far. I mean, it doesn't -- that ain't a disaster."

So they're saying that Cuba is in crisis.

But Cuba is in crisis for 67 years. Maybe this is the thing that turns them. So Trump first said, "Maybe we'll have a friendly takeover of Cuba." Well, that sounds nice. (Laughter)

Then he said, "I am holding Cuba. We're going to do Iran before Cuba." You know, like it's a threesome in a porn video. (Laughter) I'm going to do you, wouldn't it?

We do better. Okay. All right. No, I'm not making it. All right.

Then he said, "I do believe I'll have the honor of taking Cuba." And then this week, I can take it. I can do anything I want with it. If you're a star, they'll let you do it.

“I mean, why does he -- does he have to talk like a pirate?”

(Laughter) Wouldn't it be better if he didn't say things like that?

Because there's always a side deal also.

I mean, again, some of these things that he's doing. I'm not against, but the way he does it. What -- what -- what? (Laughter) Well, I will say that I reached out to the White House to chat with them about that.

And as of right now, I think that, you know, President Trump has been brilliant in the way that he has communicated to my -- seeing him a little bit crazy to people here. But these leaders do take that seriously. And as a result of what he's been doing in Venezuela and other countries as well. I think that there is very much so a serious conversation happening with leadership in Cuba.

This with -- with Castro's grandson. Does everything have to be a NEPO baby? I mean, the IIT's hola, we had to get his key. (Laughter) Is it full of NEPO babies?

There's a lot of NEPO's and insider traders, but I think that doesn't work. (Laughter) He's only been present at 14 months. He's attacked seven countries. And how many key stills of them?

A ran Iraq, Somalia, Syria, Nigeria, Venezuela, and Yemen. Some of those other Democrats attend. Some of them may have seven, and he wants to know about peace price. And you say, maybe they'll have negotiations. We'll go ahead.

But when the problems in Iran is, he sent in against the Persians, against the Iranians. People -- the best negotiators in the world, even Trump says, President Trump says that. He sends in dumb and dumb or some New York real estate guy in his son-in-law. (Laughter) (Laughter)

Just one. (Applause) Do you know what I mean? (Applause) I don't know.

Okay. Wait a second. (Applause) (applause)

“- Are there not the same people who did the Abraham Accords?”

- Are there the same people who did the Abraham Accords? - They're not the Gulf States, too. - Okay, but I mean, I feel like, could we just judge things by what they are and not just what my team is doing?

- Now we have a war because they were such a good question. - Well, we have a war for three weeks. I don't know, you can look at it. - Right now, again, the president has announced no boots on the ground and they're winding down operations.

- Well, I will say. - He says a lot of things. - No, I'm fairly certain that that's gonna happen. - He checks up a lot of shots, some of them go in, some don't. - But to be clear, look, if the president wanted War

War 3, he would have listened to the warpimps in Congress that were advocating for him to get in a direct conflict with Russia. And remember, we gave many munitions to Ukraine. We had our troops in Poland.

- It is, there is a-- - And there's no imminent threat for Russia. - There is a different strategy here. I mean, I call it a hit it and quit it, whatever it is. Like, he left the person in Venezuela,

the vice president there. And it's like, okay, can we work with you? Now, he's got the Castro grandson. Can you take over this country? And we don't undo the whole country.

Can you just morph into something more reasonable? It's a little like the way he did hotel. You know, he wouldn't really buy the hotel. He'd let you run it. They just put the Trump name on it.

Branded now, the Trump property. And they've let you still run the kitchen. - I think what you're finding is a lot of the ideologies and perspectives behind what's happening specifically in the Western Hemisphere

are focused on pushing out the Chinese. And I will say this, that I do hope, and I know that you just-- you don't think that they're great, but I will say that Mr. Whitkoff and Jared Kushner

have also been instrumental in opening up the channels of communication to index the war in Ukraine. And I do believe that President Trump will be able to pull off a piece to you. And I will say that I have also been able to reach out

and have discussions.

We don't, we should always be leading with the perspective

of at least opening up communications for those peace talks.

“You should never lead with a war for a perspective.”

And unfortunately, too many in Washington on both sides are personally benefiting and enriching themselves off of their stock portfolios tied to some of these defense contractors that are getting massive government contracts for war.

And so what I will say is having had those conversations with the President and having had those conversations with the people and powers at B, I just don't think it's fair to give and label a blanket statement on the matter

because I do literally see this administration working on the board of peace, working to shore up even though Israel might not get along with places like Qatar et cetera. They're still able to thread the needle

and actually bring peace to that region. And I think that you will see that this is going to be a net positive in the weeks coming. Yeah, that's very possible. I mean, I certainly didn't think we were going

to be where we were two years ago. Where Israel was making peace with its Arab neighbors.

But I got it before we lose time here.

This is a big story that happened this week that I really want to get to. And it's a sad story. It's a seaswish of that story. But I keep reading these stories.

I mean, I Bill Cosby, then Weinstein, Epstein, where it, and the question that keeps coming into my mind is why did it take so long? How did these people get away with it? Because many people, I know they knew about Bill Cosby.

I know they knew about Weinstein. Why do so many people keep the secret of monsters for so long? I think it's really hard. Did I see this in Congress?

As you know, we just voted recently on releasing a congressional slush fund to pay off victims of sexual harassment by members of Congress.

“And overwhelmingly on both sides, I think it was maybe only”

70 members of Congress, me being one of them, that actually voted to release those funds. And I think that it's really hard to take on institutions of power,

especially when the corruption is coming from the top down.

But we ended up actually being able to subpoena as those records, and we'll be releasing them. But that's just, I think, a small microscope. And if that's happening in Congress, where we're supposed to be writing the laws for the country,

that to me tells me that there's too much consolidated corruption. And we need better younger people without this freak mentality to be running for office. Better, you don't go.

[APPLAUSE] There you go. There you go. Is that fair? I read that story that says our travels.

And I think that time says it nailed. And they ought to be saluted for the five years of journalism that went into producing that story. And I had no idea, nobody had any idea. But I will say, as a liberal, my people

are scraping the name of a sexual abuser off of buildings. Wow, mega is putting Trump's name on a Kennedy Center.

“Who was found guilty as liable as a civil case, liable”

in a court of law for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carol. He was. Again, a fair trial for a good lawyer to put up a business defense. I'd be here in the court of it. I would be very careful about that sentiment,

because there's nothing to stop someone that claims that you assaulted them 20 years ago. You might not have had any thing to do with it. And I'll be honest with you. I've seen a lot of corruption within the court systems.

I'd be very careful about that. But can I get this? You were the-- speaking of predators and child molesters. You were one of the people who wanted the Epstein files. Really?

Yes, it's good. OK, then you have Hillary Clinton come in. I mean, this is like three gazillion pages of men behaving badly. And the witness you want is a woman.

She was issued a bipartisan supina, meaning the Democrats wanted her into. Because her bill Clinton was all over those logs. So you would have been against that, bringing Hillary in. No, I voted for the supina as well.

But what did she have to do with it? She never met the guy. And again, for something that's all about men behaving badly,

the first person you had, you don't think that's a bad look.

“I think the question for her was specifically”

because he was a big donor to the Clinton Foundation. But I want to point out something that a lot of people aren't talking about. I actually read the names and other women have as well confirmed this specifically.

Other members that saw the unredacted files. Some of the most egregious e-mails that you saw talking about girls ages 10 and 11, talking about mocking a little girl who was praying. Those came from women.

The only co-conspirator currently sitting in jail is going Maxwell. There were other women that were co-conspirators and given plea deals to testify. And they were let off.

And that was a gross, I think, bringing in a book. Just, yeah, no, they were actual co-conspirators. And then they were given plea deals for testifying and they were let off. And so what I'm saying and what I do think

the Department of Justice should do because this happened and started under Bush 1.0. And that was wrong. And then it continued. They had the files.

Then we had files and allegedly evidence destruction under the former deputy director than the actual facility in New York that how some of the files was actually cyber attacked. So there's a lot going into this.

And we can get into the whole Jeffrey Epstein ties because I actually talked to Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton specifically about that, presenting them with the actual document that showed that he had a complete other alias.

Like, several conversation. But the point is that those women-- You get a lot of information that we don't all have. It's-- I'm happy to come back. No, I know, I'm happy to.

And I think I should. I really don't know what you got. I appreciate it. Yeah. Last question, no.

OK, the save act. This is the one about voting. Trump wants to get rid of it. I want to get rid of mail-in voting. He says, we are the only country in the world

that allows this. Actually, it's 34 countries that allow this. But everyone can make us long, small mistake. It's not like him to just pull it out of his ass. [LAUGHTER]

And he also wants picture ID. 83% independent, 71% of Democrats, and 76% of even black voters are OK with this. We could have a grand bargain, couldn't we? We're like, how about election day is a national holiday?

Really? Right, boss. We should give it up. I can't do it. I can't do it.

Get a picture ID. Right, it's-- So yeah. And we'll pay for it. They're going to pay.

Because some people can't because a lot of people can't vote because they just don't have it. And they can't afford it. A passport, of course, $165. Could we just get one win on the board

with this, kind of shit? We did it. That's playing games. Paul. Democrats should agree to vote for voter ID.

Period. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. They should.

I'm not. 46 states-- 36 states already have voter ID. I live in Virginia. We have it. The Democrats just want to landslide and elected

the first black speaker of the Virginia General Assembly.

So it's not some racist thing. It's not. So they ought to do that.

“But then Republicans, I think, should be for same day”

voter registration. Walk in, show your ID, register, vote, write then. You can go in a Costco and join the club that day and then buy toilet paper in five minutes. Why don't you look and I go vote, right?

You can also live with ID by beer. They're stuff in there. They're stuff in it. It's terrible. Trump wants every state to give him all of their voter rolls,

all of their voter files, all their infrared. Hell no. No. The Constitution put states in charge of election. So he's got a lot of stuff in there

that he's trying to, I think, sneak through. So he can suppress elections. All right.

In the Senate, they actually--

[APPLAUSE] That would take that deal. We could make this happen. All day, they just actually in the Senate did a vote on voter ID and it failed.

The Democrats voted against it. There's a lot of games in the Senate. And I've been nuking my own party. So look, we're not perfect. But what I will tell you is this is an 80/20 issue,

just like banning insider trading. And the establishment in control is blocking it. If you cannot do your job in the Senate and get voter ID pass,

“proof of citizenship, you should find a different job”

because the American people black white Hispanic, Democrat, Republican, independent want this. And it is a failure if we cannot get this over this time. Maybe that's fine if it's a federal take over, it's not. And by the way, it's a whole passport thing.

Half of the American people don't have a passport. And I got news for you. The half that don't, they voted for Trump more than come. Like, he's going to hurt his-- Well, it's not--

I'm an American person, I'm an American person. All right, I think that's her question. Let's just say we've made a nice start. OK. All right.

All right, thank you, New Rules. [MUSIC PLAYING] OK. If you were shocked by the viral photo of the Hollywood Theater where the Oscars took place, covered in trash after the event, you must admit you've

never been to Hollywood. [APPLAUSE] If you don't believe here, you probably don't know. But Hollywood is not exactly the most upscale part of Los Angeles.

But if you do visit, be sure to check out my star on the walk of Sam. [APPLAUSE] It's easy to find.

“It's right next to Mickey Rokk, not the star.”

Actually, Mickey Rokk. [LAUGHTER] New Rules, now that we know, by their constant public appearances together, the Kim Jong-un's 13-year-old daughter, Kim Juhey, is definitely his successor.

North Koreans better hope Kim doesn't die any time soon, because if you think an iron fisted dictator can be mean, just wait till it's a teenage girl. [LAUGHTER] New Rowl, the New Zealand school teacher,

who was caught recording a porn video in her classroom where she urnates on some kids' hat that she got from the lost and found, must retire immediately. I don't know who I feel sorry for.

The kid who watched and said, hey, that's my teacher. Or the kid who watched and said, hey, that's my hat. [LAUGHTER] New Rowl, someone must tell the man in this viral video who surprises his girlfriend with a marriage proposal.

And she's so overjoyed, she blurt's out. Shut the fuck up. That as special as this moment is for both of you, it's probably not the last time you're going to hear shut the fuck up.

[LAUGHTER] No, now that Cash Patel had someone make him a customized pair of Nike's featuring the FBI model on the back, a Marvel Comics punishable girl, a personalized cash monogram on the tongue and a number nine

on the side because he's the ninth FBI director. Someone else to tell him, this is making us miss the old days when the FBI director just wore a dress. [LAUGHTER]

And finally, New Rowl, you don't have to react to everything.

Or have a hot take on everything. Or care if someone says they don't like cats. You know, it wasn't that long ago.

ask someone was, are you a cat person or a dog person?

“Well, those innocent days are over as actors”

pull a mescal and Jesse Buckley found out recently when they were asked that and said they don't like cats. And the internet coughed up a fur ball of rage. How dare they? They don't like cats, but I do.

Then one of us must die. [LAUGHTER] Jesse Buckley even said she made her husband give their cat away. So what? They gave it away.

They didn't have it sewn into a coat. [LAUGHTER] Come on.

They're not trying to outlaw cats.

They're not eating them, like Haitians. [LAUGHTER] They just say, they don't like them. That's allowed. People are allowed.

Do have an opinion you don't share without you reacting. It's just a cloud, let it pass, but no. That's not how a certain kind of people these days think. For them having a phone to post from, is like hosting a one person episode of the view

that never ends. [LAUGHTER] [APPLAUSE]

“Remember that the next time you read the words,”

Twitter reacts, or backlash, or rubs, or internet explodes, the internet didn't explode. Some jenzy loser at the daily beast and some right-wing shit post are exploded. No one else cared.

[APPLAUSE] The media would have you think that we're all at each other's strokes all the time. But it's not just a tiny minority who are on and in, media, and social media, and who just want to fight and bitch

about everything, leaving the false impression that America is hopelessly divided. But most people aren't hopelessly trapped in a news silo. They're hopelessly trapped in a minivan, telling the kids, shut up, I can't hear myself think.

[LAUGHTER] Twitter acts now. Only has one out of 10 Americans visited daily. 80% of us don't even have it. Sure, it has 500 million posts every day.

But half of them come from the owner. [LAUGHTER] Turns out, it really is like a town square, specifically time square in the 70s. [LAUGHTER]

Dirty, sketchy, and mostly full of perverts and losers with nothing better to do. Yes, I'm looking at you, all the people who lost it, because Timothy Shalamay said, no one cares about operand ballet,

which prompted so many who have never

been to the ballet or opera with no plans to go. To rise up and say, I have a dog in this fight. [LAUGHTER] Me, I don't. I went to the ballet once, and I loved it.

Because in the age of anxiety, we live in it with so great to get that kind of really deep sleep. Where are you? [APPLAUSE] You just wake up so refreshed.

I kid ballet, and I'm sure it's a great place to meet anorexics. But most people are watching dancing with the stars.

“That's why tonight, I am asking the American Psychiatric Association”

to add a new disorder to the diagnostic manual of mental disorders. Terminally online disease. [APPLAUSE] COD or Todd. People like experiencing Todd feel intense emotional distress

from suspending all day doomsgrilling on their phone. And these people need your help. Because Todd doesn't just affect those who suffer from it. It also affects their families and loved ones who aren't terminally online.

These are the ones we call people who have shit to do. [LAUGHTER] Unlike people who suffer from Todd, people who have shit to do. Don't imagine that expressing an opinion at everything

makes them the solution to America's problems. Now, here's how you know, I like you.

If the daily outrage cycle becomes your entire personality,

and you scroll all day to find the outrage, then screenshot the thread, then post the screenshot with the caption this. [LAUGHTER] OK.

People with real lives don't do this because they've got shit to do. They have been poured over every email in the Epstein files because they have their own mail to sort through, like the electric bill and the gas bill. Right now, right now, there's a big fight going on

between Megan Kelly and Ben Shapiro about Candace Owens.

“And as it plays out, it's very important to remember”

that the most common reaction to it from Americans

is I don't know who any of these people are. And I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. [APPLAUSE] During most prime time nights, less than 1% of the country is watching Fox News, CNN, and MSNow, combined.

A guy in TikTok, pressure washing his driveway gets bigger weight. [LAUGHTER] 76% of Americans watch less than 1 hour of any cable news in a month.

And you thought opera was getting its ass kicked. [LAUGHTER]

“If you asked most Americans what their opinion”

of Tulsi Gabbard is, their answer is going to be,

what's a Tulsi Gabbard? [LAUGHTER] They don't care that bad bunny sang in Spanish at the Super Bowl. And they're completely unaware that they're supposed to be boycotting Target or Chick-fil-A.

Here's the criteria they use when deciding where to go for chicken. How's the chicken? [LAUGHTER] [APPLAUSE] They don't know who Stephen Miller is.

They don't watch the show about the gay hockey player. And if they had to guess, they'd say MSNow is a multiple stlerosis charity. [LAUGHTER]

“And Fox and friends is a children's cartoon show.”

[LAUGHTER] Their lives don't revolve around having a hot take on every stupid thing. Katy Perry went to space. And she's the worst person on earth.

Pineapple doesn't belong on pizza. You know what? You're arguing about these things. Here's the hottest take of all. Who gives a shit?

[APPLAUSE] Here's my take. Eat some fruit. [LAUGHTER] If God wanted us to have an opinion on everything,

He wouldn't have given us the shrug emoji. Thank you very much, ladies. Gentlemen, I want to thank Paul Begaler. That was in the floor. I'm pulling the wounded and Tristan Harris.

Club random groups, every Monday on YouTube. I'll listen to him and get your podcast. No, go on, Trevor time on YouTube. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. [APPLAUSE]

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