04-01-26 Part One - Countdown To Artemis II

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How's everybody doing? Good morning, happy Wednesday. All right, wait a minute. Now, the last audio from no King's Day, and then we'll move on, right? Till fourth of July.

Yeah, right, exactly. Well, maybe unless I don't think anything can beat this. If this is real, and I say, if this is real, because every single conservative I saw on social media said, "Just can't be real, because nobody can beat this dumb."

You know, and you and I said the same thing. It's like, no, they could be. Yeah, now they could. Now, this has to be AI. No, it can't be true.

Nobody could be this dumb. Are you ready? All right, here we go. Here, here we go. All right, let's play it.

Isn't it a little bit homophobics that was so focused on

“the strengths of hummus and not the gaze of hummus?”

I agree, yes, for sure. Why do you sing so willing to leave the gaze of hummus behind? I think it's just history historically.

You know, gaze have always been very discriminated against,

which is wrong, and so many levels. You've been in war. Yeah, even in war, it just takes more reform in government, obviously, and then also educating society. Just feel like if we're gonna go and say, if we can't leave the gaze,

we go behind. I don't think we should go and say, at all. But if we're going to, there's the gaze of hummus. We could turn it into, I mean, it's just, it's just, you did it like, I'm just like, wow, it's just, I mean, I don't know if he naturally has

the dialects. I'm not familiar with the guy. Yeah, in their mind. So he might be from, I don't know, Austria, Germany. One of the two, it sounds like, you know?

“And or if he's just doing that, just sound European, you know what I mean?”

If you don't go with deal, there's a protest in there. They'll go with deal, there's a Trump and they'll, it's, it's, it's real. It's, it's not hard to believe the thing is is that we have to scrutinize everything in the AI world, you know, you just, you really do. Also, the Babylon B is pretty good.

And they, you know, they produced a few things. Normally, you can, a child when they, they produce some kind of like a little parody video of whatever it is. Oh, yeah, they have the Babylon B on it. Yeah, yeah.

And so, you know, you can, but along those lines, there are plenty of YouTubers. That might, that guy might be a YouTuber. I'm not familiar with them. And so that would be, by the way, very funny, too, to have a channel where you're just, you know, let's infiltrate

the, the protests. And let's talk to them. Oh, I'll use, again, he might be from Austria or Germany. And over that, or he might just be using the accent to gain some street cred.

“Did, did you see the lead article from Babylon B yesterday?”

No, brutal, ready? Okay. Tiger Woods awarded honorary California CDL. Uh-huh. That's so big for a, has a picture of fake picture of California commercial

driver's license, yeah, wow, wow, I can hear some truckers laughing at that one. Yeah, I saw them like, whoa, wow. You saw, though, he wrote, he's, he's dead. People were wondering if he was going to be in the master's license. Yes, thinking he was trying to sit on the air, but he's not going to be in the master's license.

No, they, they've heard his studies. Yeah, he was, yeah. And so he's apparently going for, uh, treatment, treatment. Yeah, I hope it takes. And I hope that it's the last time he ever has to go to treatment.

I hope that he's able to get it together. You know, it's interesting dynamic that if you've been around long enough and you saw young tiger on the, Mike Douglas show, yeah, I just did, you know, I remember that.

It was, uh, the Arlington studios, wow, it's crazy.

“And the story had come out that, and I think it came out that day, but we had come to work and,”

and we're prepping for the show. And so it was one of the stories that, uh, was, was at the top of the news. This is when it was announced he was going pro. And so you kind of, if you've been around long enough, you followed his life's story. Remembering him with his dad as young boy, and it's tragic to see, uh, this kind of situation,

whatever's going on with him. And I don't know what that is, but I hope it's straight now. Everybody, it's, it's real quick for a lot of us who aren't billionaires and globally famous. I mean, is there, is there any, you know, when the, the master's made the statement, while he's not going to be there, uh, he will be there in spirit.

The spirit of the tiger will be ever present at master's basically.

And it, it is, it's even when he's not playing, tiger still has this presence in golf. And that's, that's like a, a Michael Jordan kind of achievement in terms of sports. And so you, you say to yourself, well, how do they get to a point like that, um, everybody that's in those situations is also human. And I don't know. I really don't know.

I don't know what a situation is. Don't know how I'm guessing. And it's just a guess, possibility with all the surgeries he's had. If there is an addiction to pain killers involved, you saw he did find a tiger cut on. Yeah, they found two tablets. Yeah. And, and if there is that, you know, then we've seen certainly

seen that before. We've seen that in professional sports. We've seen that, uh, in a lot of places. In fact, uh, with people who just happen to be famous and a lot of individuals who aren't

“famous also go through that, uh, but remember, uh, rush after having the back, the horrible”

back pain problem became, became addicted to it. Right. A lot of athletes have, uh, I've always

been interested being, you know, because, you know, whenever I tell my doctor, uh, I've got a pain here, uh, because I had the profit, uh, but yeah, I did it. But, uh, I just, I wonder what that feels like to have a medicine. I've never, never been on an opium, so I don't know, but I just wonder how does that. I just wonder psychologically and physically how that combines together. I'm not going to try it, but I've always been interested in how that, you know, what is that kind of addiction?

You know, they, they talk about that, um, I, I remember one time, uh, uh, uh, an alcohol counselor told me, for I don't know whether it's true or not, but told me that Irish are more susceptible to being alcoholics. Hmm. And, and I don't know whether that's true or not. I remember them saying that to me, but that genetic or culturally or both maybe. I think they were, I think they were trying to, you know, tell me that it was genetic, yeah. This goes back, right, 40 years ago. Right.

And in conversation, I had it. And it was a party one time. Yeah. It wasn't your counselor. It was just somebody, no, right. Right. Right. Right. It wasn't my counselor. Yeah. And, uh, uh, and I just, I haven't addictive personality like for this and I've had an addictive personality for like golf. I saw

“somebody say, if you want to know what addiction is outside of drugs, hit a good golf shot and then”

keep, you know, keep playing and hit more good golf shots and that addiction that you want to get out there and do it again is the closest without being addicted to actually foreign substance that you can get and I went, okay, that I relate to that. I could actually, uh, really, especially in my younger days. I don't have it as much now just because I can't golf as much, it just physically. Right. And it's the joint. I mean, I can still swim, I can do, and I can play golf, but I can't play golf

every day. Right. I can't do it. I mean, one of the reasons, that wasn't, I mean, it wasn't really high up in the list, but I remember when I started on this show and I remember thinking to myself, okay, I can't wait, you know, till next day with this show, when I decided that I was going to stay,

wasn't it? Exactly. I mean, it stayed. And it was just because my goal was when I came on the show,

“it was just to stay a year and then, and then take it and, you know, take the, the national experience”

and take it to another daytime job. I never imagined myself here, what almost 21 years later,

and that crazy. And when I decided to do it, when I real, and it was very quick into it, when I realized that you and I had chemistry and it was like, we've got something here. Yeah. And so it was, you know, for us, it's always been the process that we love doing. Yeah. We love doing the process. We love the preparing room. We love doing what we do on the air. I've always loved for some reason. It's been in me. It's been in addiction since I've been really young to be in front of a microphone.

And I do it so much that I don't know that I miss it until we have a weeks vacation. Yeah. And could you imagine if you were not had two weeks vacation? No. No. And sometimes people say that, you know, I'm taking a two week vacation going to Europe or whatever. I'm like,

“I don't think I would, because our longest break is at the end of the year around Christmas.”

That one to me, I've got to keep myself busy, because especially now that I've turned 60, I turned 60 right after Christmas. And it was like, yeah, you know, people start talking, my mom keeps asking me. I think she's been asking me for 20 years. When are you going to retire? But it's, I don't think in those terms. And I don't want to because I don't think in terms of, well, I know at some point I will. But for me, it's, how do I get back to doing this? And so what I've

done is, I don't really stop doing show prep. I mean, it's, it's a different schedule during that, those times. But I'm still doing show prep because I like reading the stories. I like, yeah, they're interesting. But you and I both talked about it. When we're, I mean, and I know, when I'm away from my phone for 20 minutes, I have this like, yeah. And so for me, you know, you might say, you know, I, I remember, I, because back again, 40 years when the whole pot

stuff was going on, it was like, well, pot is in physically addicting. It's likeologically

“addicting. And I remember that kind of, I remember always saying to myself, well, what's the difference?”

But even like, for example, alcohol, even in my younger days, when I drank too much,

there wasn't an, there, I never had an, for example, an addiction where I felt, I,

I might be in the situation where I did it. Yeah. But there was never an addiction where I have to go drink tonight. Right. You know, I never had that. Right. And if I drank, and then I didn't have a drink for two, three months, right, it didn't matter. I wasn't thinking about it or anything. And I've talked it to addicts. I have some friends of mine that are in recovery. And an alcohol especially, they go think about it every day. Think about it every day. Wow. Really? Wow. And it's,

you know, so, uh, and I've seen some courageous people, very courageous people. Yeah. You know, one of the best shows I've ever saw was, uh, because I, like I said, I have friends that are in recovery, was, did you ever watch mom? Yeah. Yeah. Very funny. I thought there was a great show. I thought it was it so well written. I thought it was such a fun screaming somewhere. Yeah. It's such a great show about people. And, and their struggle every single day. Yeah. You know, in their messed up lives,

not to be messed up on alcohol. Right. And I always, sent to myself, I can't imagine, I can't

imagine, be, I'd rather be obsessed with this every day that I got to have my phone. I, I don't know what's happening. What did Trump do? Five minutes ago. I even checked in seven minutes. You know, I'd rather have that kind of addiction than a physical addiction to something to me. That would be one of the worst things. Who did I hear say? One of the reasons that some people don't have addictions is because they don't like not being in control. No, that's, that's me. Like,

four or four like things like hydrocodone. I can't take it because first of all, for five minutes, as it kicks in, I feel fine. It's, it's okay. Oh, have you taken it? I've taken it. Oh, what? Yeah. Yeah. I've never, I've never had it. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. It's the prescription pain that it's the, yeah. It's the regular prescription pain medicine. It's not the strong one. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, what's the strong one? I had, had drugs. He was something,

I forget what it is. But hydrocodone is, is just the, what the Dennis would get. Oh, I've had that. Yeah. Okay. I've had that. Okay. I've had that. Okay. I've had that. Okay. I've had it. I've had it. Okay. And a seat of benefit. Okay. And so, oh, yeah. Then I've had it. Yeah. So for me, five minutes it starts to kick in. I can feel that. And then all of a sudden, I'm queasy, nauseous. And I mean, it goes on for days. Just, if I took just one blow, I never worked. And so, and it never,

But the pain medicine, I, I took it the first day and it just made worse. It made me tired, nauseous, and also didn't help with the pain. And so I, at that point, I stuck with over the counter stuff, but I just kind of pushed through it. I, I had to. I told the doctor, I can't take that stuff because it makes it. I don't want to be groggy. I don't want to be nauseous and have to deal with the pain. If it cured the pain, or at least eliminate the pain for some period of time,

that would, that would, that would, you know, might be different. So I don't have an addictive

personality because that's another thing too. Being a parent, a grandparents. I'm, I'm always

at the mindset that I'm going to have to get in the car and drive somewhere if there's an emergency. If we work at night, it's going to happen during the day. They're going to call me. And so I don't drink. I don't, you know, I used to have a beer on the weekend. You used to have some a couple of drinks on the weekend back in the day when I was young. But I haven't had it in a

“few years. I haven't had it. I think I had one beer two years ago. And it just, I don't like being”

not in control at any level. Well, I guess it's a sort of maybe a good thing that we don't are addicted to physical substances because we're control freaks. I'll take it. May have negative ramifications in other ways. That was like, I've ever synced in the dialogue with a good one. You know, but the other day was, you know, we're, I'm hoping that tiger can get on top of this and get beyond this. And for anybody in that situation for them too.

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“We are when I radio and he is there currently and I'm Gary McNamara. Well, can you believe it?”

There's been no publicity really about it at all. And for us old folks, we remember the first

moon landing. Artemis too, supposed to take off tomorrow at 624 PM Eastern time. 10 to approximately 10 day first crew flight around the moon. Yeah. All right, using the space launch system in the Orion capsule, launching from the Kennedy Space Center. Yeah, you were saying like, okay, okay enough, let's move on to the next topic. No, I'm like, no, this is, I'm like, okay, this is good. It's about time, right? I mean, it's kind of surprising that

there hasn't been another mission, you know, for a number of reasons. I mean, I know we've been there over half a set. Yeah, and it just, and here we aren't 20 to 26. You know, you think about, wow, okay. Yeah, let's, let's get back to doing good things, great things. And because we talked about how the innovation that comes from, you know, especially early on, but even still today, the innovation and problem solving that comes from such an event is something that society benefits

from. And I'm just curious, I also love to watch things like this happen or anything about space

and NASA is just always interesting. You ready for this? Yeah, broadcast coverage available on

“NASA plus YouTube and other social media plus, I didn't know that NASA had a plus, but what's missing?”

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And all of a sudden, you know, they break in and there's a message Christmas message from the astronauts and it was Bill Anders and Frank Lovell and not Jim Lovell, excuse me, and Frank Borman. And Jim Anders starts out because it's December 24th, Christmas Eve, the Christmas message

“starts out reading Genesis from the Bible. I'll never forget it. I could chills every time I”

hear in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And just and it came from, you know, back in 1968 there it is. And that came across that was like boom. Yeah. Because there you are you know, coming out from the, you know, the dark side of the moon out where you can communicate for a while. And it was basically their Christmas message and each one of them read verses from Genesis.

And it was just, I just, one of the, when, when I think of it, one of the most important moments

in history that I experienced in my life. Yeah. At that point. And it was because you knew at that point, we were going to the moon. You knew it was going to happen. Right. Which had happened the next July. Right. Yeah. Where we, we went to the moon. So just going, because that was a big deal going around. Can we orbit the moon? Right. Can we get there? Can you get, you know, and, and I was

“two in '68 and three when they got to the moon. I don't remember that. But as I started to”

become aware of basically the media, which was radio and television, there was this greater awareness, there was this residual effect that I do remember. My dad, we had moved to Texas, because my dad was going over to Vietnam. And so there was a lot going on. And so, you know, in my personal life, and then mom kind of kept us away from the TV with news. She didn't, we didn't watch the news. But I do remember, as I turn five, preschool, and then eventually school.

Well, my first school, John Glenn Elementary, and in San Antonio. And, you know, so there was

that residual effect that went on. And it was, you could, you could tell that it was, I could tell,

accomplishment, there were people around the world cheering this in terms of landing on the moon.

“And that to me is just exciting. I can't imagine what it's like to be in space. That to me is”

the wildest thought. And so any kind of space travel event, you know, when I said, okay, when you were reading earlier, and I was like, okay, I wasn't, you know, I wasn't disinterested. It was quite the opposite. Oh, I was just getting, I was just, I was just, you know, here we go, you know, this is this is, let's, let's get back to doing great things. And this may not be a priority with a lot of people may not be a priority as a nation, because we've accomplished

so much when it comes to space travel. But to me, there's always something to be learned

in the process of that. Well, for me, again, when it, you know, earlier this week, I'm going, oh, that's right. When I saw it on social media, I'm like, that's right. Wow. It's going up. We're going up again. We're going to circle the, and just reminded me of the, um, of the excitement that was going on. One of my first memories of often talked to one of my first memories was the, uh, was the, uh, uh, John Kennedy Nixon debate that I, again, is a, is a blur to me. And I don't

remember, you know, when my mom asked me, she always told me the one I, she said, "Who do you think one?" And I went that guy and it was, you know, Nixon, which, again, led to a very successful political

“career of always being wrong on my political predictions. Uh, the, uh, the first, I think the first,”

I remember tying my shoes, but I don't remember how old I was, but the other thing I remember, the thing that really hits my memory is the eight original astronauts. That was as big as the Beatles. It was bigger. Yeah. You know, the eight original astronauts, my, I can, and that came from my mom because my mom was home and just went, wow, wow, watching TV, you know, and they introduced Scott Carpenter, Gordon Cooper, John Glenn, Gus Grissom, Wally Sharar, uh, Alan Shepherd and, and

a deep slate and it was just like they were as close as you can get to American deities at that moment. Yeah. And I just remember how big it was. And then the next, you know, really, when you think about it, the next 10 years. Yeah. Because that would have been April 9, 1959. So, I mean, you go all the way to the moon landing and you're talking almost, uh, you're, you're, you're, you're talking, uh, 10 years we're, we're, we're not. And, you know, going through Mercury and, and, and Gemini and Apollo, and it

“would just, it was, uh, I, I think, and, and at the same time, you know, everything that was going on”

domestically and internationally, the Vietnam War, yeah, race riots, everything in there. Yeah.

I mean, that time in, in history, you know, people say that, we, we always believe, especially,

if, if you're trying to make a political point, you're always, and, and you don't have a lot of substance behind it. You're always trying to make the point that this is the worst time ever. Yeah. You know, you get that from the whole no king's saying it, and it's not the worst time ever. No. It's not even close to being the worst time ever. No. Uh, in this country, we have, we have challenges, we have problems, and part of that is completely complete,

complete ignorance of how things work in our society. Mm-hmm. You know, I saw, who was in a sugary sense, say, there's a big disconnect. The public is so far away from the military. They don't even know what's, you know, they don't even know what's going on. You and I were talking about, you know, I, I just, knowing and, and just knowing the history of so many wars, and seeing how we're fighting this day by day by day in the media coming up with instant analysis,

and it's something that you and I have objected to, and we talked about, you know, Trump's saying, just going to be another week, another week, another week, another week. I'm just glad that it isn't a war against a foe that has the ability to strike back big time into the United States, because this is no way to fight a war. It's, it's what you're left with with the public that expects instant grat significant portion of the public. I'm not talking

about our audience, conservatives, whatever, but I'm talking about, you know, the, the social media

and the, the, the media itself that is trying to analyze every second of a conflict, which you

cannot do when you're going to war. You know, you and I were talking about, you know, this, and

where we started on this is, is that, and we said it yesterday, the people that are saying

that this war isn't a success, you know, militarily speaking are completely and totally clueless. We said the people that thought that, well, the, we had no plan for the, you know, straights of horror moves. Yes, we did. Yeah. Of course we did. Oh, yeah. You know,

“and that's why the one general said, we wore game all these things. We do simulations against any”

enemy, and we take into account everything. Now, things may happen and things may be slower or faster, but as he said from all the simulations, we're ahead of schedule of what all the simulation showed,

and one of the things about simulations is, you know, don't mean anything when you get to the real thing.

Right. You know, because everything, you don't know what you're going to get. Right. But I look at this here how you can tell the administration wants to end this thing and be successful because a public opinion expects things to be done like this when the goal here is a president laid out is beyond and is is a lot of it is beyond our control. It's what the Iranian people expect to do. And I saw Marco Rubio talk about and say, we're talking to people inside. We're

talking to moderates. I don't know what the president's going to say tomorrow. He said yesterday, another week or two, but when you think about it right now, this should not be a worry, because there are no really air defenses left. Right. You know, we're sending in regular planes now. They can't shoot them down. Right. So we can sit there and we can take our time and do everything. We get there's no real rush except for what the election coming up and the price of gasoline.

This is, you know, that's the conundrum he's in is that the timing on this is is not working when it comes to pricing. But you and I have often said there shouldn't be a clock that is set. Certainly you want to accomplish your mission and the sooner you get it over with the better. But that is often a pipe dream because as you mentioned, even with going through all of the war games and and preparing for this, there are too many moving parts and unpredictable elements to a

situation like this, especially when it comes to Iran. And it's it's turning into exactly what you and I said at the beginning, it would be discovering now after you have depleted their ability to fight back. Now you're just looking to discover how deep the roots are from the inside. What the pecking order is and who can convert and work with us and if anyone and who will not and you go from there. The Iranian people are not going to rise up. You would hope that that

would happen but they are not armed. They don't have the ability to rise up and they didn't know who was left in the regime. So well, we don't know what's going to happen on that. We don't know

“that that that that's what I'm saying. So there is so what you try to do and what we're I think”

going through right now is what Marco Rubio, his information lens to this theory and that is you're discovering who is loyal, who might be workable, who might not be. And you trust no one but you there has to be some kind of progress in order to make sure that the regime is gone and

what you ultimately want is you want that enriched uranium in American possession. We need to

be half possession of that and however we get that if we can't destroy it and ensure that it's been destroyed you know is going to be a very tedious task. We'll see how long it takes. Although I think I said the original A-destronauts it was seven. It was a mercury set.

“I was thinking I'm a Paul away. I knew that I just realized. I think I said eight. I meant to”

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Everything from politics to social issues and news of the day, whether you're up late or you're just starting your day, welcome to the show from the Relief Factor Studios. This is Red Eye Radio. All across America. We are Red Eye Radio. He is here for me and I'm hearing McNamara. All right, running into a problem here. Oh, what do you got? It's only Wednesday and the audio cuts are finally not because there's so much to discuss. And we're not going to miss because there's a

kind of stuff on the Supreme Court that we want to bring up and go through. But we just got to play some of the great audio cuts out there. You know, one of the big things over the last,

well, it's always been a thing, you know, Bernie Sanders and Billionaires and all this and

California, you know, the census figures that came out with the money moving and people moving. You see 54,000 people, I think left Los Angeles. Yeah, that's huge. 54,000. And so that debate is going on. It went on here in the last 48 hours at Fox News and you had the senior advisor to Bernie Sanders and Carl Rove. Okay. All right. So, all right, Carl Rove going back and forth. So, here we go. Because this is, you may, you may, in the past, if you have, have you Carl Rove

as weak in some areas. Yeah. Yeah. That time. He's extremely strong in this argument right here. Okay. Here we go. All right. Billionaires. All right. And red and blue states. Okay. All right.

Ready. That's the go. Here we go. Well, the right now, the problem is, are you got a billionaire

“class that wants to extort America? They say, hey, if you want to tax us, you want to use the”

democratic process to institute fairer taxes on us than we will punish you. We will move to places like Florida and Texas. I'm a Floridian. So, if you look at Florida right now, Bill, there are a number of billionaires that move there. Zuckerberg, Bezos and others. And you would say, right, because of that billionaire influx in the Florida, the working class must be doing great, wrong. Right now, they're proposing budgets to cut education, cut health care, cut public lands.

This is a state I know and love. And why is it? Why is it that the billionaires flee to a place like Florida and you can't improve the standard of living of Floridians? Why? Because they are instituting a sense of a rule of the oligarchy. If you want to take us on, you will not allow, you will not allow you to tax us and you cannot improve the lives of working class Americans. It is a choice for us. Are we going to stand up to this power or it's not only billionaires

who are moving to Florida and Texas, it's ordinary Americans who see that they have a better chance at a better life with low taxes, less government, better schools, lower cost of living. That's why they're moving there. If the idea of moving to Florida is only good for billionaires and it's

every well-meaning Democratic socialist show that they believe in big government by moving away

from a state like Florida or Texas and going to one of these utopias like California and New York or New Jersey. Good luck with that. People are voting with their feet because they hate the kind of policies that would just outlaw. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it was a typical, you know, if the billionaires are moving to states where everything is just being destroyed and it's just like you can't make that argument. You can't make that argument about Florida and you can't make that

argument about Texas. Right. Now what they are doing is the dollars that you have, they believe they can do better with the dollars that they have. One of the reasons that the public, including a ton of Democrats, a ton of minority Democrats, what do they love? School choice. Competition, competition, lowers the price. Yep, competition also gives you what. Better education.

Monopoly's never work. We've always, we've always found it fascinating. How the left is absolutely

crazy about any large corporation and they view it a monopoly yet the monopoly of government.

“Why aren't the, oh, I can answer this question. Why aren't they against the monopoly of government?”

Well, they're not against the monopoly of government. If government has their same opinions on how to tax with other people's money and put it into programs where results don't matter. They're only against a monopoly or as they call it, Trump trying to be a king. It's Trump when it's a Republican when they're trying to expand the economy, less taxes, and more freedom for the individual. You know, this is it. And Carl Roe was right.

What you're seeing in this mess, Exodus, there are some high profile billionaires that are leaving, not just California, but the West Coast. I have to include that because Jeff Bezos decided to build his layer in Florida instead of Seattle where he was living before. And there is with that,

“because you have to include, you know, outside the billionaires. You have to include individuals.”

It's the basically the scenario that I've pointed out and we've talked about for years.

That at some point you can't afford to stay. You know, we're a more mobile society today than we have been traditionally. You know, there are a lot of people you talk about Buffalo all the time. Of course, you're from there. And you talk about how a lot of people stay in Buffalo. But many people move away from Buffalo. Evidence of that is there are Buffalo bars in just about every town where the people from Buffalo get together. In fact,

the only two people that I know directly in our friends with from Buffalo are both radio colleagues or former colleague and and good friends. And they finally met at a Buffalo bar.

“Yes. And you have to seem to self be with Tommy. Yeah. We love you, Tommy. And in and”

that great great play by play hockey and out there. Oh, yeah, just just the Allen Americans, right? Yeah. And just he's just a man. He's all he's he's a brilliant. And the funniest thing is because I was at Buffalo brothers, which is the Buffalo food bar that ever became a sports bar. But, you know, well, they are sports bars. But that sort of became a Buffalo bill sports bar. That wasn't their intent. Their intent was Texans will love Buffalo food. They have, you know,

three locations now. Right. When they have, they do they have the, they, the beef on WEC. Yeah, they got the beef on WEC. And they've got the, the, the, the big one, the, the big sports bar in downtown Fort Worth. And then they've got a new one. They just open up in Burlison. Everything is in Terran County. And it's almost, it almost goes right down 35. Yeah. Well, and, and then they've got the one in across from TCU, which is, which is the weirdest

mix I've ever seen in my life. Because it's a TCU Buffalo bar. And it, and it worked. And it works. Yeah. And it, I don't know how, but it, but it, but it works. But there I was. And this goes back and, um, about a year and a half ago. And it was a pre-season game. My buddy, Mike, Mike, who's the head of the Buffalo Bill's booster. I don't get a chance to go off. And but it was a pre-season game on a Saturday afternoon. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, I think it was. Yeah, it was.

And, and, uh, because Tommy's busy the rest so much of the year. Yeah. He can't be there. And Mike, he might be, he goes, you know, Tommy. Daniels. Yeah. Yeah. He goes, you know, Tommy.

he's over there. And I saw it just went over. I go, Tommy. Yeah. Gary, Matt Gamer.

“And then it was like, we had known each other our entire lives. Yeah. And that was,”

that's so cool when you don't know somebody except through somebody else. Yeah. And they're in your business. And then you meet them. And then you realize, besides you, we know like 20 other people. Right. In the business that we've worked with before. Right. And it's the whole watching any sports at afternoon was gone because we just never stop talking. Well, you know, and it's great. And, and I love it. And it is, but it is part of a society that is more

and more mobile than they, you don't, you don't just stay in the town, you grew up in, you move on, you move on for opportunity. That's a big one relocating for a number of reasons. But opportunity, I read another article about family from California. They moved to Texas

and they were so shocked. After the first year, they said, we'll never move back to California.

We have family there. We'll go back and visit. But we love Texas so much because of the opportunity, the schools for our children and everything else. They just love Texas all together. I was in the media in Buffalo for 10 years. Yeah. The biggest, one of the biggest complaints you got from parents was the kids all had to move. Yeah. They had to move and over again. And if you look at the population, it's been stagnant.

Yeah. I've talked about Dallas for a worth. Right. Dallas for a worth. Since I've been here, has grown almost three. Yeah. We're Buffalo Niagara Falls, which is Erie and Niagara counties. Yeah. Just Dallas for a worth. Yeah. And that's, so that's over three million people. I think it's like three and a half million in the quarter century I've been here,

“just to Dallas for a worth. And I'll never forget when the great Lars Larson from KXL in Portland.”

Yeah. I'm never going to do a seasoning one time. And I think, I think he said it to me,

he said, I got to go. So I love Texas. There's construction all over the place. Which means they're building roads. Which is one of the biggest complaints in Portland. They want the traffic jams to force people on public transportation. Right. And I was like, well, you have no choice. The population is growing so quick. There is no. You, and they're, they're still traffic jams. They just by the time they finished building the roads,

they're all filled in. It's, yeah, it's already filled in. The traffic is, is already there, especially when they did a lot of the stuff for 635 right where we are right here. And so but that's what happens. And it's sort of come to the realization that either you're dying or you're growing. Yes. You know, there's not many in between, you know, situations that are, there may exist out there, but there aren't many that just stay the, the, the, the same way.

You're growing or you're dying and you can go across. I follow this guy. It was a nick and I can't think of his name. I think his name's Nick, but he goes across all the country and goes through all the ghost towns. Wow. Wow. Every single state. Yeah. And most of them are small towns. Right. You know, the boom because of this, but you can't believe the number of towns that nobody is in anymore. Right. Right. And, and, I mean, parts of West Texas, if you drive like, if I drive from

here to Colorado, going through parts of West Texas some of the smaller towns, you just, and I love the small towns because my grand, my grandparents lived in the small town about an hour and a half west of here. But it's, you know, there's, there's no industry. So you're either retired or maybe you work oil field or something or you travel for your job. But, but it's, in fact, that's part of it. In small towns, even if you're staying within the state and it happened to me in my wife

“over 30 years ago, it was we can no longer afford to stay. So that's what is going on with people”

all over the country. But affordability gets down to the taxes. I think Jamie Diamond from Chase, JP Morgan Chase talked about it. He said, you know, the people in blue states are leaving because they can't afford the high taxes and, and the policy. We have that audio coming up,

but I want to play this audio first because I had that audio ready to go. Yeah. But I want to play this

one first because, uh, we, we heard Bernie Sanders advisor, the millionaire, the typical fire-left socialist argument in Colorado, say, no, you can't do it. Now, this is former Obama advisor, Robert Wolfe talking about New York City and what New York State is doing to race taxes, let's see what former Obama advisor had to say. All right. Real quick. Last final thought, JP Morgan's Jamie Diamond was on this morning saying people vote with their feet. They're still

this Exodus from some of these blue states where people are seeking brighter futures. Yeah. I think

And I think the idea that Mandoni thinks he can, you know, close the budget just by raising taxes.

I don't think it's the way. I mean, I informally advise him before the election, if I was advising him today, I would say, let's focus on revenues and income and not on taxing. That's a former Obama senior advisor, Robert Wolfe, just to show you who's changing. Yep. Even even back then, the Democrats are like, you can't do what he's doing. But now, Bernie Sanders is, by the way, lock in lock, lock step with the Mimdani. They think exactly the same. There's no,

yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no, there's no difference at all. Right. Right. And, you know, it's like

“Democrats are going, we can't do this. We can't do this. But it was the only way that it, you and I”

talked about this years ago. It was like there's eventually going to come to a point where people are

going to say, we're not going to, we can't put up with this. We can't afford it. We, and we actually

talked about the fact of the people that couldn't afford to leave. And now you've got many people saying, we can't afford to not leave. You can't afford to stay, which is what I've been saying for years. At some point, you can't afford to stay. And that's exactly what we're seeing. That goes back to the Carl Rove comment. And in that, look, there are every day people. This is the brunt of this is every day people looking for greater opportunity and a greater quality of life

based on a lower cost of living. And in states like Florida and Texas and others, there's that great opportunity. And the blue states are doing what? They're going after the people more and more and more and they do that through regulation and in taxation. The corporate taxes, they want to go after corporate taxes. All those are hidden taxes that are passed on to the lower and middle class, to the to everybody. It's not the billionaires. It's everybody that has to pay for that. And again,

at some point, the cost of living is too much. Well, it's, but the biggest BS that the Democrats have

“ever thrown out successfully is that we're going to go after, because that's what they're going to”

do in New York now. The billion who's going to leave, we can't do that. All right, let's tax

corporations. We're called them greedy. We'll call them, you know, the oligarchy. Yep, you know, the the plutocracy, the oligarchy, everything else he's massive corporations. We need to tax them because they're evil. And the idiot public goes, Jim Democrats go, the no kings people. Oh, that's good. That's good. That's good. Yeah. We all know they pass it down to the consumer. Of course. Because if you're in a particular geographical area, you can't move

they're going to pass it on to the consumer. If everybody in that state is taxed, they're going to pass it on. And who does it hurt the most? The poor in the middle class. And it's a stealth tax. And the no kings idiots are sitting there going, you punished them, punished them,

“and they're once paying for. And their leaders are going, you people are no king idiots. Yes,”

no brains. No, you're no brain idiots. We're taxing you and it's a stealth tax. Yep. And you're buying it when you add to the cost of doing business. There's two things. Those corporations can do. Pass it along to the consumer to the point the market will bear. And then you start laying off people. So not only do you pay for it in whatever product or service you're buying, you might pay for it in your job or maybe your neighbor pays for it in their job. That's

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audio cut with Jamie Diamond yesterday talking about the same thing as everybody's talking about

blue states versus red states and taxes. Washington State today announced we have a million

airs tax. They are putting a referendum in California of billion airs tax. What's the reaction been Jamie? People are going okay. I got the message. I'm out of here. You have more people now in Dallas than you have in New York City. There's a reason for that. Yeah, I tell everyone's got to compete, including cities. And for a city compete, of course, is quality of life. It's just subways at your hospitals, but also individual taxes, state taxes, corporate taxes. And it drives

“people out. So all you have to do is look at California versus Nevada. New York versus Florida.”

And there's a huge exit that's taking place. It's not good for the city. And people just make

a mistake. I'll just tax these people. But that's the outcome. And very often people think they're being moral by doing that. But they're not. But they're doing it. They're hurting your own city. And you know, unfortunately, people vote with their feet. And so well, they vote both ways. They vote, they voted him in. They keep the same Democrats in. And then you've got people complaining when they start taxing. Exactly.

[MUSIC] You're listening to Red Eye Radio from the Raylee Thakker Studios. [MUSIC] We are Red Eye Radio. He is here. Carly, and I'm Gary McNamara. I'm just sitting here. By the way, download our Red Eye Radio app today and listen,

when and where you choose. I'm just sitting here and I just don't know how you and I were in a conversation. I look at my computer screen and this audio cut was right there. You're ready? All right. I swear to you, it just appeared right in front of me. Here we go. All right. And being conscious of the facts that I need people who are high net worth to support the generous social programs that we want to have in our state. Right. Now, there are some patriotic millionaires

“who stepped up. Okay. Cut me the checks. If you want to be supportive, but maybe the first step”

should be go down to Palm Beach and see we can bring back home because our tax base has been eroded. So, I feel sorry we don't have a problem. It is like I have to look at the fact that we are in competition with other states who have less of a tax burden on their corporations and their individuals. And I would say remote work changed everything. There are people who can only work in an office in Manhattan and work in New York State. And they were captive to our state there with

an estate. They were captive to our state. And they were going to stay. I love it. But I will say this. The one question because I've been asking this, I've been asking this as a talk radio host for what am I now? 36 years is it close to? Yeah. I've been in my 36 year. I thought it was a 56 year. No, I don't know what it is. I mean it was 44 years in radio of 36 in talk. Well, over whatever. Well, over a dusty slay as a bit about the stand-up comedian, when they say,

well over 23 people. I've never been, I've never got, and I brought this up a little earlier,

but I've never got this question answered ever. Just one question. Think about it. We know liberals are listening. Yeah. And I've always wondered why I've never been able to get an answer to this question.

“Yeah. Why do liberals believe? Like right now in New York State, that's what they're going to do.”

That's what Jamie Diamond was talking about. That New York State now is considering they think that the best way to bail out New York City is to do a increase to corporate tax rate across the entire state to pay for what New York City wants. And the only reason they're doing that is because they believe that the Democrats and independence that keep them in power are complete idiots who actually believe that you're punishing companies by doing so and helping out

the individual hardworking, Joe and James six pack. Yeah. The, the lunch, the people that bring their lunch buckets to work every day. Let's throw a bunch of stupid rhetoric into all of

is like the, right, the kitchen table issues people, but they think you're a bunch of idiots,

“yeah, because it's a stealth tax that hurts the poor and the middle class the most. My question”

has been, I've never been in all of my time doing political talk. Never got an answer to this

question from any Democrat. Why do you believe that when obviously, if you pay attention to where gasoline prices go, every time the cost of doing business gets more expensive, it's passed on to the consumer. Every time you make it more expensive to do business, it's passed on to the consumer, yep, or it hurts the company and they're gone, which also hurts the consumer, especially the employee. Yep. Why do they fall into the trap that they believe that only corporations are being

punished and it makes your life better and less expensive? Are you really, is, is, is, is it really

“what we saw in no kings? You're not, you're really not faking it. You really don't understand”

basic concepts like that. But then again, we dealt with that, we dealt with that with Republican. No, I, I dealt with that with Republicans, but tariffs, where Republicans were, no, the economy will get better. You know, you're, you can make segments of the economy better, but other people pay from them. You can gain leverage with other writing nations, there's, there are things you can't accomplish with tariffs, but if you're talking about making the economy better. But everything

we're talking about is basically its economics and economics is how people respond to incentive.

That's it. End of story. Yep. You can take all the fancy algorithms, everything goes back to how do people respond to incentive and therefore disincentive. Yeah. Everything we're seeing here is based on that simple economic concept that so many people want to pretend doesn't exist. I'm not going to believe that. No, they do. Because it shouldn't be that way. It should be this way. It shouldn't be a matter how you think you can live in whatever fantasy world you wish to live in,

reality dictates how people respond to incentive. Yep. Yep. And I, it's funny because I was wondering that earlier when we were talking and I just have to wonder, you know, when you watch Milton Friedman, Milton Friedman from over the years and still today is teaching people about economic principles. But how many people, if you set his name, would even know who he is. You know, again, our audience, notwithstanding. Most people don't don't think about it. They just don't.

And if you're in a blue state and you're paying six bucks for gasoline,

your paying basically way overpaying for everything in California. How do you not put it together?

That it's your state policy that's driving that. How is it that you look at that and say, well, that's a good thing. Well, you know, in the 90s, I mean, his Milton Friedman got older. I mean,

“you had, and we had talked about it because I never forget when he was quoted 10 years ago saying it,”

I went, wow, there it is. Because for years, you know, obviously it's studying economics. It's like, well, how people respond with said of in Steve Lansberg, the University of Rochester economics professor said it a few years ago. He seemed to be promoting it. But what you don't have is you don't have, you know, remember, uh, for example, Milton Friedman on Phil Donahue. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you would actually bring on, they would bring on for an hour long conversation, hour long conversation,

and remember Phil Donahue could not argue with, no, he couldn't. He just, he tore him apart every single time. Yeah. And remember the great debate, you know, if you get, uh, I think, I don't even know where my DVD series is. I bought the whole dang DVD series, gave it to so many

Yeah. And remember the great debates that he would have in the 70s and the early 80s,

it would be Milton Friedman and Thomas Sol on arguing with a couple of, uh, you know, a couple of liberals, and they were just great. Yeah. Yeah. So he's just great. He's a former liberal. He was, he was, he met, he was liberal. Right. And you go back to, you know, Milton Friedman, you know, studied Adam Smith and everything else and, you know, the concept of capitalism. But to me, the one thing about free markets is free markets to me is the, is truly the organic form of

economics. Yeah. Yeah. Because that, right. And you can look at it by before anybody was writing on economics, how people bartered. Yes. And it was very innovative, even in the barter system,

“if you think about it, it's, it, the, the free market principles spur innovation, right?”

In finding, what is it that, uh, I could provide, or my business could provide, or what idea might I have? That could be in great demand, where there is an underserved portion of the market. You know, I met somebody over the, uh, over the weekend at the, uh, Met America trucking show. And this is somebody who is a business owner, a truck driver. He's expanding his business.

And his success story is incredible, but he put in a process that's in place. And I said,

but how did this come to be? He's in the town of, he looks in the town of 2000 people. He said, I'm the only game in town that does what I do. And he said, I saw that there was a need for that. And then I started getting calls. And now the phones don't stop ringing.

“And so here he is, lives in a small town. Has this successful business that's growing?”

And he is, you know, and, and again, he's, he's got that thoughtful process, but that's, that's part of innovation. How do I do this? Do it more efficiently so that I can maximize all my efficiency for my business, maximize my profits, also maximize my time. So I'm not killing myself over time. And all of that is what the free market principles nurture. The free market principles put into place that kind of mindset.

But it's also, and when I was referring to the, the, the barter system, and you made a great point, the direction I was heading in is, it's all voluntary. Yes, it's voluntary. Yes, the thing about free markets is nobody is telling you what to do. The government is enforcing it.

“Right, when you look at when you look at socialism, communism, any other form, a political”

economic system. Because if you look at those systems, they really rely on a authoritarian, authoritarian political system in order to run their economic system. Right. Where if you look at free markets and you go back to the beginning of bartering, I'll give you the slab of meat for that further you have, both parties walk away satisfied. Yeah. They voluntarily exchange. They both walk away happy. Right. And that's my,

going back to my, my ancestry. It was an interesting story. And it wasn't interesting because the person was related to this would have been my seventh or eighth great grandfather who came over

in one of the first hundred and nine settlers in James town. But one of the first things that he did

in order to get land. And is he bargained with the native tribes to say that I will bring you pelts and food in order to have, if, if I can have this piece of land to live on, peacefully. And then he developed this basically barter relationship. And then beyond that, his two sons became landowners and, you know, and it just kind of went from there. But that was a, again, you're talking about, all right, a solution to fill a need, a basic need. If you think about,

developing a business, I spoke to another guy at the show that was telling me about the innovation. He started as a, it was, it's, it's an app. It's, well, it's, it's a big company. Now, a tech company designed for the trucking industry. But he said, it was a side gig. I only needed to, I needed to make my bills. That was number one. But then he got this job and they said, well,

and he dove and head first like a lot of small business owners, he's grown this into a massive company,

“highly successful company. And he did that based on the risk that you take. Again, the government”

not being in his way. Nobody telling him he had to do it. He saw a need and he had that drive. That's, that's the free market that drives that innovation. And that power of intent to, to be successful

with a lot of people. It doesn't always work out as planned. But it is a huge driver for any

economy, especially, of course, a free economy. As Steve Lansberg said, and I love this quote. And I love way he, he read, when we read it about 10, 15 years ago, it's like people respond to incentives, the rest commentary. Yeah. That's exactly. And I can't believe how many people I tell they go, what is economics to go, how people respond to incentive? Yeah. Well, it's got to be more

complicated than that. No, it's not. Well, what about this? Things should be, that's commentary.

Yep. That's not economics. Economics is how people respond to incentive. That's it. Yep. We are run I radio. We'll be right back with more run I radio with every currently and Gary McNamara. We are run I radio. He's certainly an I'm Gary McNamara. You know, I mentioned the University of Rochester economist, Stephen Lansberg. The one thing that he said one time, the where I went, and

“I don't think so is when he proposed and I think he threw it out there as a matter of economics,”

where he said juries should be punished if they make the wrong decision and find out if somebody is

innocent later on and they should be rewarded if they get it right. The point, and I think what the point is, he was trying to make is if there's a financial element, they will take jury duty more serious. It's not going to happen. No, and I don't agree with it. No, no, because now you added something that they're doing what if they're doing it for the money. Exactly. This is Red Eye Radio on Westwood One. Vince Cornese is redefining Newstalk.

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