05-19-26 Part Two - The New York Times Unhinged

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He is Eric Hurley and I'm Gary McNamara. Well, Jim and Nick Goodportine, thanks for being here this morning. Thank you. All right, a couple of stories here.

First off, this was in the New York Post yesterday.

A Civil War has erupted inside the New York Times over Nicholas Christophe's explosive column alleging widespread sexual abuse by Palestinians by Israeli prison guards. Staffers at the newspaper are questioning whether some of the most incendiary claims, including an allegation that Israel trains dogs to rape Palestinian detainees, would have ever cleared the paper's newsroom standards.

The internal backlash has grown so intense at one time's journalists, vented I am sick of being embarrassed by the opinion section. The controversy centers on Christophe's May 11th opinion essay, the silence it meets the rape of Palestinians, which included graphic allegations from Palestinian detainees, who claimed that they were sexually assaulted, raped with objects, and abused by Israeli prison

guards, interrogators, and settlers that call them immediately ignited outrage from Israeli critics, not really. I've been amazed how the left has been so quiet on this issue as if they don't want to touch you. Right.

I see more publicity of this issue from people that are pro Israel. Okay, okay, so the call immediately ignited outrage from pro Israel critics, okay, okay, then they're right. Right, okay. It's confusing when you say pro Israel critics, are you, if you stand with Israel and

you're criticizing this, right, yes, okay, all right.

To clarify the writing there, yes, and but it was amazing, I've just, I've not seen anybody.

Have you seen any Democrat and Congress jump on this and saying, is there no, because it's a, it's one of those bizarre things that is so bizarre, you don't dare walk on that plague. Why, if, I don't, it's about to say, because everything else they do, if you're promoting exactly.

They're not, by the way, my wife was not criticizing you, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But, but because they're not afraid to go crazy, because if you have no problem

“saying, a boy can be a girl, if a boy wishes to be a girl, why not come out?”

How would that ruin your credibility anymore to say, yes, Israel is using train dogs to rate prisoners? Right. This is the insane issue that you're going to hold back on, yeah, you're willing, they're willing to die on every other hill.

Now, the times leadership has publicly defended Christoph's reporting as rigorously, and meticulously fact checked, uh, Puck News reported that many newsroom journalists remain privately suspicious of the sourcing behind some of the columns, most graphic allegations. No blanks, Sherlock. Yeah.

Well, uh, the, the, the column included testimony. And from a, uh, uh, Gaza journalist who claimed a dog was encouraged by guards to sexually assault him while the prison staff laughed and photographed the incidents is, is, Israeli officials flatly deny the allegations, uh, the Israeli prison service told the times the categorical committee rejects allegations of sexual abuse, um, the times defending Christoph's reporting

in a separate statement from a spokesperson who stated the column draws together on the record accounts and site several analysis documenting the practice, uh, of sexual violence

as we all know, we went through this already when you go point by point through it and you

“look at these people and what they have claimed before and how they've changed the story”

it loses credibility very fast. Yeah, that's absolutely does. Hey, I'm Chris Fanfleet, go behind the scenes and beyond the headlines with the biggest names in pro wrestling and beyond you could pop up in WWE tomorrow, would Surrey be there or would page be there?

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Insight with Chris Fanfleet, follow and listen on your favorite platform. Hey, you know, I think that's another thing why you don't have the surrogates out there defending it is because you don't have, remember the fake, or the fake stories surrounding the image of the child that was starving and it turned out the child actually was sick. Yeah.

The child's sibling, which was cut out of the picture, what looks perfectly healthy for a child, but the child was suffering from an illness and they wanted you to believe that the child was starving. And so they took that image, the surrogates took that image and ran with it, right? And not knowing the truth or not because, you know, that image isn't a good image.

It looks like the child is in distress. But the point was, is that it's because of Israel that this is happening. With this story, there's nothing tangible and also nothing behind this story in terms of,

“because here's the thing, you would see it grow, yeah, legs with other media outlets.”

Yeah, we've, we've done stories like this. We know where we, where we start to know what happens. All of a sudden starts to spread and spread and spread and spread and spread. When it's false, it quickly comes back. And the story about the child starving versus the child being sick came back fairly quickly,

too, because of the facts, it often happens that way, but it still grew legs very fast. Yeah, that actually, yeah, you're right, that did grow legs. Yeah. Anyway, with this one, it doesn't because you don't have anything tangible. You don't have, you know, nothing to spread, you know, the word or, or sources or other sources.

A picture. Well, I was thinking of that, but I, I don't know, they, well, if you talk about, your, your, your thoughts are, I, I know it's, it's, you know, it's bizarre, but, but, but you have a, some kind of backing of the picture, the picture of the child in the, right, it was starving. Yeah, it was not starving.

“Yeah, not that they would share a picture in this case, but they would certainly say,”

there's video of it or there's, you know, out there and there's, you know, there's evidence of it. And you would have other media outlets looking into it. I, I think that's the other thing, too. My gosh, is this actually happening.

And because the liberal activist media would love for a story like this, to be true. And you, and you would do it in a question form. Are they doing this? Because are they doing this?

Are they, you never had to make a statement exactly.

And you say you don't have to, you don't have to commit to it. Yeah, Chris stops the thing here. Yeah. Now, I mean, on the other hand, Israel might want to use the Democrats defense. Well, even if it happens, it just shows you as really guards authenticity. Right.

As they make excuses for their own right behavior for their, which would be, yeah, they're Nazi support. Right. I mean, but it's, it just shows, it shows their authenticity. That, by the way, that to me is one of the most bizarre things in the, in the last couple

of weeks.

He said, it's always amped up to another level of bazaarness and that the whole thing with

the, it really was a Nazi when he got the tattoo, carry. He was a Nazi when he got the tattoo. But he was authentic. He was angry. He was angry.

He was angry. And so that just to finally, right, that he has a right to have those feelings. Right. It shows his authenticity. He was angry.

And because he was so angry, that led him to become a Nazi and put on a Nazi tattoo, which shows his authenticity and since he's authentic, then he should be able to lead

of the Democratic Party.

“Now, to be a strategist, by the way, today would be for them, would be insane.”

Because you, you could go even further.

Not only did it demonstrate his authenticity, but his follow-through. He committed, he's a man of commitment. He committed to the tattoo. Right. And he's going to commit to the people.

No. Right. And it wasn't like he was a happy Nazi. He was an angry Nazi. And that justifies, I guess, an authentic, that, that, that makes them authentic.

Right. If he was a happy Nazi, you'd say, what a goofball. But he was angry. He was an angry Nazi. The angry Nazi.

Right.

By the way, that was actually used.

That's actually, we're not making this up. That's point they were making. Right. Wow. All right, gosh.

Can you be a mellow Nazi? Probably with edibles. I should have thought that I'm not a doctor.

“Then I don't use edibles, but that's what I hear.”

But if you did, if you were not driving to be an Nazi, well, not driving to be an Nazi. Well, no, no. But if you're already a Nazi, and you hate the edibles, I don't know any Nazis.

But if they, I would think that it affects them the same way, maybe it doesn't.

Maybe it doesn't. I, I don't know where Nazis get their weed or edibles, but maybe only from white area nation sources. Maybe that would, maybe that would, you can't, you can't have any foreign weed. Yeah.

It must be right along to so they're with the names of their edibles. Right. Where's the, what's the source of this out of all, and yeah, maybe it would cure their Naziism. Oh, if they haven't tried it, maybe they shouldn't.

You know, it's the point where anything that I might say that I would view is outrageous or people like it. It's not even close. It's not even close to, not even close to doing this. No, not even close.

That's the thing is that, I mean, if someone said, we'll pay you. You're a trillion dollars to be a strategist for the Democrats. Now, I still don't think I would take it. Trillions a lot of money, I could do a lot of good things with that. No, then you'd be evil.

Yeah. Well, I guess. Oh, well, no, no. But I could give the money to, no, if you took a trillion dollars from the Democratic Party is that being evil, if you took it from the Democrats, well, they wouldn't call me even, right?

Then you're not evil. Well, I think you're Johnson Mike, but it's the, but it's, but it's justifiably so. Exactly.

“I might have to have some words with my pastor, but here's the thing.”

Just sit down and you, because every day you just like them, if you're going to be a strategist, you've got to get crazier and crazier. We've talked about this. You're sitting around in the political war room and you're going around and passing around ideas.

You know, I mean, the thing about what they're doing, they're fighting for the, what they call rights of children to make decisions without adults to mutilate their own genitals. That is a strategy. They've had meetings on that. They've talked about it.

They're on board and still today not only pushing forward politically, but they're pushing forward legally, which is the point of pushing forward politically, and I don't know, every day it's got to get more and more bizarre. Yeah, but he was an angry Nazi, well, that was then this is now. And it's just, it's absolutely bizarre.

I don't know what you do if you're a strategist. This is why I'm very curious about the, the big money, the big donors for Democrats. They, they're still there in, in the large picture. But are you going to give to the party and not the candidate?

In the agenda, same agenda, but we saw the story about the, and it was a source story,

but one of the big donors to the Democrats and gave to Kamala before said, I won't give to Kamala in 28. No. And we just did that story one last week. Now that another story, that very well, very well could be because she can't form a, go

he's a sentence, say, they, a complete sentence that makes any sense.

“She can't, well, she can't get out there and can't paint, but I think one of the things”

that that, you know, we haven't talked about yet because, you know, we're looking six months from now. Lesson six months from now is the fact that let's say the Democrats take, you know, take the, the house.

Okay, hypothetically, even though I already have the day, I think it takes, with the success

that that Republicans are having in redistricting, but even redistricting has this limit. So I was, I think CNN hearing, and I think it was Harriet talking about Louisiana. Well, they may create two new Republican districts that are much more competitive to get rid of the dominant Democrat district. Right.

And the point was that even redistricting can have, it's, you know, can have it's, can have its limits. I actually look at what happens after if the Democrats take one or both both the houses, then you have at that point, nothing will get done because a president can be to almost everything.

Right. And then you have two years again to sit there and talk about where the Democrats are versus where the Republicans are. But again, it all depends, you know, right now the Republicans are very much under water. Thank God for the Democrats and the Wug Republic.

If the Democrats would show any type of competence at all or just any type of critical thinking

skills whatsoever, they probably could win pretty big. Yeah. Even if they got in power, what they would do would be exactly what they did last time, which is my opinion, hurts the country. Yeah.

“The fact is Republicans have not been good at communicating effectively in so far”

on this second term, and that goes for the administration as well. Right. Yep. Because right now, prices is everything and I don't want to hear about politically if I'm a political consultant, I don't want to hear about the ballroom.

Right. Yeah. I don't want to hear that stuff. That's not a driver. That's not a driver.

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to bring this up, because I didn't want to forget, I know what are we at Tuesday, this is Tuesday, okay, thank you.

“I don't think that 35 years from now you're going to see a TV network replay a Stephen”

co-bear like Johnny Carson, yeah, right, yeah, and the reason I bring this up, there seems to be in his ex, at least in my humble opinion, a delusion of self-importance of his show as compared to the reality of the entertainment market, yeah, and this is, you know, bringing on, I mean, everybody, all the other talk show host came on, didn't they Jimmy Kimmelons, yeah, and, you know, they all, they all came on and sat there and Letterman came on, Letterman

came on, Letterman was, you know, going after CBS, you can cancel the show, but you can't cancel the man, Letterman thought it was like, and I said to myself, well Dave, the show's losing

“tens of millions of dollars every year, so who canceled it? Because that's, you know,”

he was making trying to make like they all are the point, they want you to believe this

was a political cancellation, right, it's not a political cancellation, it's then finally

going, this is a cash drain we can't afford. We are all in the media business, the media entertainment news business, you know, all of us, and you can look at almost, I don't care what format it is, everybody brings up politics, so everybody now is in the media of the arena, the media arena of ideas, yeah, really, I mean, they really are, you can't find many shows, I don't care whether they're just entertainment, they don't bring up politics, right,

so everything's in the arena of ideas, it doesn't matter what you're doing, now you and I, exactly, now you, you and I have done both sides of this business, we've been in management sales and on air, and at times, at the, at the, at the exact time, yes, custodial, especially during COVID,

right, yes, that's true, there could be in here, because we, we had told when, when COVID first hit,

it was like, all shows are being done at home and we went, no, no, we just, we wouldn't, we wouldn't do it, it would affect the quality of show, and we don't have much quality to begin with, so, well, we really didn't get much pushback, they, they, they, they don't care about us, but, yeah, right, but, but the, no, but my, the, the point is from doing every job and and being, in this business, and in management sales, and this, you know, and, and on air, we are the talent,

yeah, is Ron, that's actually, is Ron left, you know, for air, yeah, yes, we are, is he laughing, you know, guys, we are the, because somebody told, was it, uh, Ron, somebody, huh, was Ron told, don't bother the talent, oh, yeah, somebody else one time, yeah, yeah, so somebody, somebody else, not by us, no, no, not by us, but somebody, somebody told, uh, somebody that used to work here told another employee, said, don't bother the talent, and that's because they were in here talking to me

about something, yeah, we should care less. Now, I will say the one time, you know, I always worry

about it, because I always worry about being rude about 10 minutes before I go on the air,

like, go hand me, you know, my, my stuff right here, and I'll forget to say thank you, and I all of a sudden it's like a minute later, I'm like, oh, thank you, I'm like, yeah, and it's like,

“because it's like, I don't want them to think I'm rude, but I think they know now, you're just so”

focused on what you're doing before you go on. Yeah, in fact, for me, it would be the opposite, Eric quit bothering the production site, because I go on there, at least every other, but, but I was, it was a, it was a good conversation, whatever, I mean, because if I get, if I get busy, I'll say, let's talk later, I got to get this done, I got it right, I'm not ready yet, right, uh, and, and so, but the one thing we know is, it's, when it comes down to it, it's a business,

if, if they came to us and said, you're losing 20 million a year, there's going to be no sense of entitlement from either of us. No, if we, by the way,

it would never get to that point at our company. Well, that's the whole thing. It would never

get to that point. I would have asked them if, if it would, if we were in the exact same spot, as Colbert, I, and they came to us, and we didn't know this, and they just said, you bit, we, the show's been losing 20 million a year for years. I would have said, why, in the world did you keep it going? What, who, it, is somebody blackmailing you to keep us on the air? What happened? Well, there's much more of an argument that it was kept on the air

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It can be very, very fickle. I actually was let go.

“I was doing a morning show at a radio station,”

and I was the Interim Management for a significant period of time. I didn't want to be the management, but somebody had quit. Yeah.

And we got the rating book in, and we went through the roof, the ratings were great. I walked in, thinking I might get a raise or congratulations, they let me go. Somebody in management said,

his contracts ending, he's going to ask for a big raise. We don't want to give him a big raise, and they told me, thank you so much. You've succeeded so well that management knows you're going to ask for a raise.

So it's going to be a problem in negotiations. So we're going to let you go.

“I remember being an unemployment the next couple days later.”

Yeah. Why did they let you go? Because I succeeded too well. Come on, stop it. Well, that's what they told me.

Right. Because they knew you weren't to the higher pay. So you were basically at that point. You became overqualified for their pay. Right.

Right. So I went on employment, the guy at unemployment said, why did you get like, oh, and I told him he goes, come on, nobody, I said, no really. It's our version of overqualified.

He said, we're going to check. And so the unemployment went back and checked. He came back and he goes, my God, yeah, they let you go. Because they knew they were going to have to pay you more money because you succeeded.

So that's the thing.

There is never a sense I have never had.

I can't imagine having a sense of entitlement that this thing is owed to me because of whatever. I cannot imagine having a sense losing $20 million a year and having a sense of entitlement that how dare you fire me.

You scum of the earth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How dare.

I mean, that's the thing. That's the thing that I wanted to bring up because I just find that in a way so incredibly entertaining but at the same time, so incredibly arrogant of co-bear and let her man for believing

that somehow CBS was at fault and finally I saw it

brought up this week. I finally, 'cause a lot of people said, oh, it's, you know, Byron Nelson, byron Allen, yeah. That'd be a golf show on Byron Nelson. Byron Allen's show, whatever's going to take over

and whatever and finally it's coming out saying CBS isn't even gonna try to sell the show. CBS bought a page show. They replaced, they replaced co-bear. Yeah.

He was doing page show bot. Yeah. A page show, bot, bot, you know, they bought the time. It's like a paid commercial. They bought the time.

That's how bad co-bear was doing.

you shouldn't be going CBS and Letterman doing all that stuff last week. And it's just like, it's just an absolute joke,

but there is this incredible sense of entitlement

that he believes he is so incredibly important that he must stay. My God. Or that he's being canceled because of Trump. He's a victim of Trump.

Is that they love being the victim? They love being the victim.

“But the fact is that he's a victim of his own poor performance.”

Yeah. They didn't work. It didn't work. The only one to buy away Letterman himself said, after they hired co-bear, Letterman himself said,

well, I actually, if it had been my choice, I would have chosen a woman of color. That's what he said.

Far as I know, Steven co-bear does not identify

as a woman of color. So what he was saying is, I wouldn't have chosen Steven co-bear. You canceled it before any of you wouldn't have hired him to cancel it. Dude.

What are you talking about? So I mean, this is so insane. You know, the head of CBS did say a couple of weeks ago that, no, we're making plans after the contract with Byron Allen ends on what to do with that slot.

And I thought to myself, well, I don't know. It's like night TV, nobody's watching it anymore. They're streaming, they're doing other things. That's part of what's going on. Well, sure, there's going to be a plan once that contract ends.

If Byron Allen doesn't want to stay. Yeah, well, but he said he made it sound like they're developing something now. And so if that's true, then, okay, let's, we'll see what it is. I don't think the future is late night talk shows.

No, neither, neither do I. And Jimmy Kimmel doesn't believe that either.

“Jimmy, remember, he said that a couple of times”

in the last year or so, Jimmy Kimmel over at ABC has said that he doesn't believe in five years that they will be around because people are streaming and doing other things. Well, they took an entertainment show.

And that's the genre. It's almost as if you're working at a country music station. Yeah. And in 10 years, you make the decision on just your show to become heavy metal.

Yeah. And then you wonder why it doesn't work. Right. I mean, it's just that simple. They're, they're, they're formats.

Well, that was a, not that you couldn't bring up politics, but he became as Kimmel did an absolute political activist to the last word. Was as obvious as could be. Flat out.

And, and not very intelligent, by the way. No, it, it is. And the difference is you can show there's evidence in that. The clips that they put on social media on YouTube, from the shows, from all those shows.

The ones that get the most views aren't the ones that are politically driven. I know. They're the interview with Keanu Reeves or whoever happens to be there.

And it's the interview with the celebrity, which shows you what.

“That's what would drive people to comedy.”

And they quit doing that. It's all criticism. And then, and it's activism. And then, beyond that, you have celebrities on. It's the formula that it has been for the longest time

and people quit watching it. I think there would still be some habit changes regarding streaming and everything I agree with that too. But it would be, I think, better than where they are now because the activism is over the top.

And you are skewing your audience. You're shutting out a large portion of viewers because it's not what they want to see. But a show that's losing tens of millions of dollars every year to be on as long as it's been losing money.

Is a foreign concept to me for my 45 years in the media? It would probably be foreign concepts. I would boggle my mind if they said that to us.

We've been losing 20 million a year.

And we're just now letting you go. I would go, my gosh. But in the world, were they thinking? We are Red Eye Radio. We'll be right back with more Red Eye Radio with every currently

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So, yeah.

“I mean, how long you think Kim will's going to last?”

They just resigned him and I don't know, I think it was a three-year deal.

I don't know, I don't know what they're paying him. I don't know what the revenue is for the show. But I'll say this, it's the business model for it. Unless you're doing something different. I'll tell you what might work, but I don't think they could get away with it

on broadcast TV.

“But Conan's podcast, Conan O'Brien's podcast, this, I think the best”

presentation for Conan that he's had in his entire career.

Because the talk show model of sitting at the desk and everything. Of course, you've got to do clean comedy and it's not clean comedy on the podcast. But I thought, can they show a podcast? Well, probably not because again, you're going to have the network overseeing it. Going, what you can't say this and you can't say that and you can't.

And podcasts, they just, you know, people talking.

And so I don't know that something like that would work. I don't know what would I, I guess we'll see.

“But I think people are moving away, especially late night, doing a lot of streaming”

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