06-02-26 Part Two - The Murder of 60 Minutes

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Well, here's the headline. Long time CBS reporter Scott Belly claims Barry White is murdering 60 minutes. Now, see, that's the problem.

The problem is murder is the intentional killing of a human being.

We know it's used in other ways, but come on, you're supposed to be the professionals here. Part of the problem that people look at 60 minutes and they say, but you're not fully accurate. You do not put out both sides of the issue.

“So maybe you should use, since you are the professionals, a different word than murder.”

Yeah, yeah, just destroying dismantling dismantling, dismantling wouldn't it might be? Because, you know, part of the accusation was that they were going to, you know, I'm guessing it was hyperbally that the new head of 60 minutes wants to do 61 minute features, basically, and turn it into a TikTok. And that would be funny.

I would love to see that, by the way, do it as a parody.

You know, we're every, every 60 second segment starts with, hey guys.

Hey guys, hey guys. But what he said in response was, well, you know, things will remain as they are for now. But broadcast is changing. You and I have talked about that. The broadcast television is changing greatly, and in 60 minutes is not immune to that.

So the habits, even outside the bias and activism there at 60 minutes in front of and behind the camera up until now, is, is a part of it. Take that away, just the viewing habits of individuals about how many people will sit down and watch, you know, 60 minutes. That's close to an hour.

And if you, if you think, you know, it's that, you know, well, it can go on forever.

“You have to adjust to the sensibilities of your audience.”

And it's not, the likelihood, I hope it's not going to be. Hey guys, it's, but it's probably going to be, maybe, some shorter segments or an approach. I hope they don't do remember when GMA just started doing less bias. Well, that would work on the surface.

But I'm talking about the viewing habits of how long you can keep somebody's attention. I don't know. I've said this from the beginning. If I don't know if you can save CBS news, I really don't know. I don't know if you can save it.

Because I don't know broadcast news. You've been that brand for such a long time. Yeah. I don't know where the audience is. Who are you trying to get?

Yeah. On the, on the, on the, on the bias and activism. Yes. Even the sense of, but, but structurally, um, programming wise, there has to be a new approach to how you're going to do your segments in order to attract an audience.

By the way, that also still may not be there simply because you're on broadcast TV. Well, for example, when we've talked about CNN, CNN thought that putting on Scott Jennings

They thought that that would revise them in some way and their numbers haven't moved at all. Right. And now I saw that I think in a, you know, Abby Phillips of giving her another show that's more fluff. Yeah, you know, because it's just not it's, it's not working.

We've said it before, you know, when when people had come in and said, well, what people want is straight news.

They may want it, but they can get it online.

“Yeah, how they can do, yeah, how you deliver it is is different. And I think that's what they're struggling with people don't wait for the news.”

They go get it. I don't need to wait any longer. You don't need, I think one of the dumbest things that's ever done out there is high. You know, it's, it's like it's 4 p.m. in the afternoon and they've got, you know, the 5 p.m. weather coming up, you know, or a 5 p.m. news. Hi. I'm your weather guy. And we're going to have some unpredictable weather will let you know at five. Yeah, well, I'm not staying till five. I'm going straight here from going to the whatever weather app. I haven't looked at it going unpredictable. What does that mean? Oh, okay. It's going to rain one day and it's going to be sunny the next day and then rain and son. Okay, fine. I got it.

That you don't need to watch. There is no, you know, or, you know, the coming up the Dallas Cowboys played yesterday. We have a partial score Dallas five will tell you the opposition's number of points coming up at five o'clock. Yeah, or the the app when the app does the the teaser breaking news. Someone has been shot. Here's what we know. And it's like, yeah, okay, I'm not it's the click thing. Yeah, you know, and or or the old teaser, you know, coming up tonight, your children could die by 9 p.m. We'll have the story at 11.

“It's, you know, it's not, no, not you know, it is now. Yeah.”

Data centers destroying the earth. Yeah, coming up at five right why is Trump so evil.

That's right. Well, after the grand planner situation, the question obviously is who is more evil Trump or Hitler. I'm waiting for them to get, you know, we talked to several priests who compared Trump to Satan and broke it down for us. We'll have the story at nine. Meditians, yoga, jogging, not exciting. Really? Michean Span, my story total. Stoyer, how do you feel? The story is real. Yeah, I have a lot of time to get over 1000 euros. Have you ever met? No, just like the story app. Wow, and that's easy.

Client, you must fast Alice Automatic.

“You're not in control of your finances and you have to look outside of yourself to live the life that you want.”

You're not in control of what is it that you actually want? The money should follow the dreams and goals because sometimes you make the dream and goal the money and you've overworked yourself and you've exceeded what you've needed for the actual thing you want. Sometimes we forget like, what's the actual thing you want? A Ford anything. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. But seriously, when you talk about it, we said from the very beginning, the only way you could do anything for CBS is clear house day one.

And we looked at, for example, radio formats. Yeah. If all of a sudden the people in charge says, you know something. We want to start it. We want to start a new show and we're still going to call it red eye, but it's going to be liberals. Yeah. If you have a country station. Well, number one, they're not going to keep us on.

Right. If you and I are you and I are gone, unless you want to stay because, you know, you're you're willing to go vegan. By the way, that's not true at all. Or as I'm a metatarian.

How much you willing to sell your soul for? Again, those words from always were made with me from my mother and this is where I was this goes back to 93 93.

And wanted me to go to a station in a major market. But to do hot talk, and he said, I can make you the next Howard Stern. I'm like, I have no idea where he got that from, but yeah. And I had, you know, I had no interest. Instead of Bible Boo, you would say, Bobby, Bobby Boa.

Bobby Boa. You're going to make you the next, I know interest in being the next Howard Stern. And it was so funny because I remember telling my mother about it. And I was feeling offers at that time. Yeah.

And my mother said, well, and I said, well, what?

“She goes, well, I just wonder, you know, did you talk money yet?”

I said, a little bit, she said, well, how much would you be willing to sell your soul for? Yeah. I never forget that. I'm saying, I wouldn't take that job for anything. Well, the money doesn't matter.

It's not what I wanted to do.

Well, no, I mean, something similar happened, and it was right, it was my second station.

I just got to my second station. GM walks in and says, we're going to make you the next elder of Johnson. And I said, well, who's elder of Johnson? He said, he's the janitor. And if you don't get better, we're going to turn you into janitor.

We're going to, here's a broom. But no, it's, you know, this, this entire, I don't know. You, you can't change, you're not, the nature of the beats. Right. They, they don't want to go in the direction that you're going.

Yeah. You're, you're not, you're only going to solve the problem by clearing house. And if you clear house at 60 minutes, you destroy their brand and have to create a new brand for 60 minutes. And I don't know if the audience is there for a new, because it's not only the, the, the, the bias of the brand, it's also the personality of the, of the brand that people who watch it become comfortable with.

Well, it's in, yeah, the ticking, the, you know, the whole thing, the, the sitting on the, on the, on the chair in front of the, what, the background that looks to be an open book or magazine, you know, because it was a television magazine is how it was promoted. And, and, and those kind of things, you're right, it's what, what people, it was the brand. It, until now that, and still today is the brand, you know, they have 60 minutes of Australia. I've watched it.

It does, does it, is it me or does it seem to be more conservative? It, it seems to be more balanced. Yeah. Right. I was looking at the, and there was a shock.

Yeah.

I, there's always a shock.

It was a shock. I've, I've watched it on YouTube. It comes up all the time on YouTube for different. You bring up a topic and almost like 60 minutes. I'm like, I don't recognize it. Oh, it's 60 minutes all straight. You know, we're going to talk to Russell Crowe for the 13 song this week.

However, I see the other thing is, and it's on ABC. That's not ABC. Oh, Australia has come right. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, I think that's the problem that, that Barry Weiss has.

“You have to, in that, when once you create a newsbrand, and let's be honest,”

there's probably nothing more tribal right now than newsbrands. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Think of all the news. Yeah.

There's nothing more tribal than newsbrands. And she wishes to create a brand that she believes is not tribal. Because remember, people don't, I mean, she's being talked about as a, you know, as a, as a Trump toti or, you know, as this right wing conservative, she's a liberal. Yeah.

She's a liberal and and believes in real journalists. And I may be wrong on this, but I think people like her and Michael Shellenberger, you know, see Michael Shellenberger the other day on X. It came out, you know, the whole thing that poverty causes, you know, poverty causes homelessness.

And he's like, no, it doesn't. Right. You know, or oh, no, he's talked about that extensively. He was on Rogan one time. Yeah.

And yeah. And, you know, and he goes, it's a or, you know, and he taught my knowledge. It's, it's drug use. Yeah. Right.

It's drug use. Yeah. That's what it is. Because he, when he ran in California, ran for office in California, ran for governor.

And he talked about it with Rogan. He's in the in got into it. He said, look, we went out there. We did our due diligence as to what is that the basis and, how do you fix it? We came up with some ideas.

You know, they may not be perfect ideas. But we think they're better than, you know, what we have.

“And that's what he's, that's one of the things he's been involved in.”

He's involved in organizations that, you know, that that wish to find out. How do we solve this problem? And you got to get.

And it basically comes down and he goes, it's drug use.

And they wish to enable drug use.

Yes.

Of the drug users, you're only going to create more homelessness.

Well, it's like, duh. It's, you know, there's a, there's a homeless organization here in the North Texas area. And I read something where the guy said, because this couple had been letting, there were homeless coming into this one neighborhood. And this one couple said they were letting this homeless guy use their outside

faucet. They saw him doing it on the security camera. And then he did it. And then one day they looked out and he was completely naked. And they were children across the street.

So they went out to talk to him and then he got, you know, really angry. He didn't, you know, throw any punches or anything. But he was kind of screaming at him and everything else. And the guy that represented the homeless organization that helps the homeless

said, you cannot, you absolutely cannot enable them at all. You can't.

“What you, the best thing you can do is point them to this direction.”

You got to know what you're dealing with.

Because you're hurting them more than you're helping them. And this is something that Shalomburg has been on for a long time. So you look at when you look at him, he's a liberal. Yeah, he's a lifelong, you know, Democrat. So his bad tie.

He, they were all changed by the Twitter files. Yeah. That's when they went, whoa. But I mean, the weren't changed on the issue. So he, because Shalomburg was doing that he was disagreeing with the Democrats.

When it comes to homelessness for a long time since he actually been involved. And it's like, it doesn't work, but when you look at Barry Weiss, she's not a conservative. No, it's not. She wants to do journalists.

She believes as they all do in journalism. And that scares the left again, because journalism does what? It educates people.

It plays a critical role in any free society.

“True journalism is critical to a free society.”

But the left can't have it because true journalism enlightens people. It educates people. And they can't have that. They can't form their own narrative and lie to people by shaping their minds and thoughts through these stories that are nothing but pure activism if they're not true journalism.

In practice, if her goal is what she says it would be, I hope it succeeds. Yes, yes. But just looking at the marketplace, it's the same thing we did with co-bear. Yeah, the market is like, well, the marketplaces. And the liberals were furious at CBS for what they put out when CBS came out and said,

we know after all the, oh, you don't care about free speech. I go, no, here's what it's about. Losing 40 million now making 15 million difference. 55 million. That's the story.

Yep. Yep. That's it. Can't argue with it. Nope.

Well, you kept it out when it was losing money.

“See, you, you should, you should keep it on to continue losing money.”

Continue losing money. Right. Yeah. That's hurt. Yes.

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We're in a radio. He's probably an unhearing maximum coming to find the bottom of the hour. I'm just going to play it now. We just don't have the time. It's just a couple of minutes long, but it's worth listening.

Why Scott Pelie is full of it. It goes back to Russia collusion. It goes back to exactly what we talked about specifically. The one being promoted yesterday was the interview they did with Andrew McCabe and then afterwards.

They sat and talked with the producer about how credible McCabe was and it was all BS.

We had questions.

I don't know what that's true.

Where did this come from? You started asking questions. What's the evidence to back it up? Who did it?

“When we found out what it was and that's why the Mueller investigation didn't go”

down the path that we said they needed to go down is because they I think they knew that it was a Hillary Clinton set up. We only people that dealt with the Russians was a Hillary Clinton campaign. Scott Pelie and their producers did ask to write questions as we did from day one.

And they have a hell of a lot more resources and sources than we do.

[ Music ] You're listening to Red Eyed Radio from the Ray Leet Factor Studio. And I'm carrying back him along with Eric Hurley, welcome in good morning. So it's important to look back because as the whole blow up at 60 minutes. And it's getting into popular culture and it's all over 60 minutes as a part of our popular culture.

So it's an important story and I think it's important to bring up when Scott Pelie comes out and says Barry Weiss is murdering 60 minutes. Well, we might be able to say 60 minutes is murdering journalism. Again, even though using the term murdering and I understand that it's used as slang and there are other, you know, because of how we use the English language murderers used in a lot of different ways.

It's murderers exaggerated the word, not murder the act. But murder for Scott Pelie, just so you know, is the intentional killing of another human being.

“But it's really important because one of the biggest things were Scott Pelie got it wrong.”

And I always thought was quite smug with it as a lot of people were 60 minutes.

Is the Trump was a national security threat because Trump colluded with the Russians to hack the election. And all of it was based on a Hillary Clinton set up and the DNC set up with him. Right. Using campaign money to funnel it through to an opposition research group through a law firm in order to create a dossier that was completely false. It was made up to destroy Trump.

Yep. And it was used to get a warrant, a secret warrant against a Trump campaign. It was all BS. All of it. It was 100% wrong.

Yep. Here is Scott Pelie. This is a part of part of the interview that was done. But this was actually, this was actually after they did the story with Andrew McCabe. When they were talking about the 25th Amendment and everything else to remove Trump.

And this is after the interview, they did a, they did an overtime segment where they talked to both Pelie and his producer about it. So here we go. It starts with Andrew McCabe. Okay. Okay.

There we go. Discussion of the 25th Amendment was was simply. Rod raised the issue and discussed it with me in the context of thinking about how many other cabinet officials might support such an effort. What seemed to be coursing through the mind of the deputy attorney general was getting rid of the president of the United States. Well, one way or another, I can't confirm that.

But what I can say is the deputy attorney general was definitely very concerned about the president, about his capacity. A conversation with Scott Pelie and producer Pat Milton about their 60 minutes interview with Andrew McCabe, who are acting director of the FBI. We had good reason to consider that the president might be a threat to national security. That's why we opened the case we did.

As someone who covered the White House for for many years,

“what was your reaction hearing his descriptions, you know, such vivid descriptions of these conversations?”

Absolutely astonishing. Imagine the deputy attorney general talking about how to remove the president of the United States. One of the investigations that McCabe started is a counterintelligence investigation. In other words, is the president of the United States an agent of Russia?

He extraordinarily so, and McCabe was background. He was known as an extraordinary briefer. And it was all crap. It was all alive.

And when he said the evidence, you know, McCabe said it, what would have been the first thing? I would have said, well, ask McCabe, what is the evidence? And he can't tell me what it is.

And if you can't tell me what the evidence, and you and I went from the very beginning to go back to the warrant, you and I go back to good God, we go back to January 2nd of 2017. Or we said, well, what is this thing about Trump colluding with the Russians? Where the hell this come from? Where's the evidence? And we stuck with that all the way through. What is the evidence? Well, there's a dossier. What's the dossier? Well, it came from intelligence sources. What intelligence sources? And you had it, you know, you just don't in a case like this.

When you're a reporter, you just don't say they have the dossier and they say it comes from intelligence sources because we found out they didn't come from intelligence sources. Well, it came from made up stuff from Iggy Dan Chanko and others that was paid for by Hillary Clinton to put all these things in a dossier to not only destroy the Trump campaign. Now, and they actually knew it. They knew it back in July. Remember, Obama knew about it in July of 2016. They all knew that Hillary was going to attempt to set him up.

The intelligence agencies told them. Yeah. And Scott Pellie had no curiosity at all. But it's me. What is me? What is me? Well, what's interesting is what he said. What impressed me is how he spoke and he knew what to say and what not to say. You mean like covering your own ass?

In that regard, yeah, exactly because when you know what the truth is, you better be very careful as to the truth.

You're trying to, which is the lie, you're trying to spread and wanting the world to believe you're going to be very careful because he did have to cover his own backside. That was the whole point. You just made the case Scott Pellie for McCabe lying. He was very careful of what to say and what not that's what impressed me the most.

“No, that's what gets me curious because I think to myself, I'm not getting the whole story here.”

You're not, being impressed with a person is not the point of journalism. It's what their actions are and what they're saying to you and what they're not saying to you. And you should dig deeper because if they're not saying something to you, then they're hiding something from you. Well, they're just saying the evidence. I'm going to say, well, unless you tell me what the evidence is, I don't know what they're telling me the truth or not.

What is it based on? It's based on this. Well, where did the dossier come from?

“Who wrote it? Who wrote that particular part of it? How do you know it's true?”

Well, the intelligence sources say and you and I just said, we said this from the very, very beginning and we never, you know, by the time you got to the Mueller report, we knew.

Yeah, you know, they knew. They knew they had nothing on Trump by the time they started the Mueller report. Right. And as we always stated, if they didn't go down the road, because we said, if you're an investigator, because we approached this, not as partisans, we approached it as investigators, show me the evidence. What is the specific evidence? All right. That's an allegation. Where did that allegation come from? And once you finally broke it all down, we said with the Mueller report, we said, we'll wait a minute.

And we said this when the Mueller report started during the middle of it, and at the end, I remember the day before saying it, if the Mueller report does not go and say, well, we started this as if we didn't know anything. We're prosecutors. We don't know our goal is to find out if Trump did anything wrong. Right. Yep. So the first thing you would do is you would go to the Pfizer warrant that use the dossier as evidence.

“And you would backtrack from there. Right. Yep. That's the only way you can go because if they were able to get a secret warrant, that had to be the most damning evidence, if you can get the secret warrant,”

to spy in the Trump campaign because he evidence is so great. Right. And they didn't do it. Nope. They didn't do it because they knew it led right back to Hillary. Because if you started there and went backwards on it, you went all the way down through Fusion GPS, back to Perkins, Kooey, yep, right to the Hillary campaign.

So where was the curiosity to just not believe the person who you're interviewing, but asked specific questions saying press. Yeah, I was impressed. Right. That's again, you want to believe it.

“So you have a lack of curiosity because you're a political activist. Yes. And if Scott Pellie thinks to me Scott Pellie is just like a is sort of like a George Clooney.”

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's got his hand. He's got his, you know, his thumb, you know, right near his. One piece of jaw. One piece of jaw. Thinkers and his head tilted. He's a, and he hasn't had that. He even has that adunciation where he's talking when he's talking, he, he wants you to sound.

He wants you to believe he's educated and thinking things through. Well, right. And it kind of, if you think about it and slow it down a little bit, it's a little bit of forest comp. And I was talking to Andrew McCabe. And it's also the biggest, you know, the, the, the, one of the most successful ways of just, you know, throwing out a lot of BS. Well, you know, but there's, yeah, it's because you want people to believe that you're more knowledgeable.

Right. And he was actually, he wasn't as knowledgeable. Right. We were more knowledgeable by doubting everything until we got evidence to we said, what is the specific evidence man.

And we never got, and by the way, we've always treated every, whether it's on the left or right when it's an investigation.

We've always stated, what is the evidence that exists right and it's getting to the core. And, you know, I, I'm telling you, man, I miss Tim Russell.

“Because if, if I believe my interview subject isn't saying something,”

that's where I'm going. That's exactly where I'm going. I'm going to pull out everything that I can. Every single thing that I, it doesn't make sense. Things didn't add up.

We're not investigators. You don't have to be a season investigator to know. Well, just to be curious. See, that's the thing we, we talked about it earlier. And we were very, very enthusiastic as a journalist.

And, and, and, and, and, pelly. His emotion of being impressed with McCabe. He was, he was, he was, he was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was impressive. Guys in FBI, or former FBI agent. And.

He is responsible. To a large extent. For a massive wrongdoing. Right. Interim head of the FBI.

And, and so when you look at that. Entire equation. The person setting across from you. Oh, so impressed. You make him sound like a rock star.

This is what, this is what they do with people.

When, when actually the reality is.

Either he was lying across the board. Or he was a horrible FBI agent for not getting all the evidence. Before coming out and talking about the 25th Amendment and that the evidence is there. Yeah. Because if he believed the evidence was there and he said it in there.

The evidence wasn't there. The evidence showed Hillary did it. And he's saying that so that means he's not a good agent. Well, and he wasn't a good interim head of the FBI. If he didn't do his due diligence, didn't do his homework.

And when on 60 minutes and was spewing. And things that were completely untrue because he said we have the evidence. He said it right there in that interview. And Scott Belly. Uh-huh.

What Scott Belly was impressed with would have been my. Frustration. You know, this guy talked like he was in court. I didn't feel like I was getting the answers. I felt like this guy was very, very careful about what to say to me.

And I don't believe I was getting all the answers from them.

“That's what you would say if you were too journalists and you were curious to get to the truth.”

Because where's your alliance? Is it with Andrew McCabe or is it with the truth?

They always say there's two sides to every story.

That's garbage. That's not true. There's one side and it's the truth. Period. So this whole thing about him blowing up yesterday at Barry Weiss.

And we said, told her at the beginning, you know, you're going, and I don't know. I probably would have, if give, I never would have taken the job. Because I think it's an impossible job to begin with. But at least, you know, she had the guts to do it. And again, she doesn't share my politics or your politics.

Now what she shares with us is the belief that there used to be good journalism.

Yeah.

“But she went from using the star machine at the gym to now having to climb Everest.”

And in terms of the job ahead of her and what she had,

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I just had to go to the battle. Okay. And the hour here. Nation shocked as candidate with Nazi tattoo turns out to be a total scumbag. Funny how that works, huh?

Oh my gosh.

“I mean, that's, it's still, I mean, the best thing today.”

And that may be our audio cut of the week was even on MS now. Yeah. Where it's like stop talking about that it's a, you know, Nazi like. Right. It's, it's a concentration camp.

Right. It's, it's Nazi adjacent. What? I mean, just stop.

“And you know, I think this is where the media is going with it.”

Because here's the thing.

The media as we've explained time and time again. We repeated their activists. The left media is their activists. And they want somebody who's not going to cause a problem in November. Even the onion got on it.

Grand planter. I didn't know extramarital 16 was a symbol for cheating. [laughing] Oh my gosh. That's great.

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