06-03-26 Part Two - American Idle Men

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and I'm Gary McNamara. Good morning. I'm sorry. I just started laughing here when I saw Chris, who was on the left, by the way, talking about Scott Kelly from 60 minutes.

How can he not be fired? He said his direct boss and the women who runs the network are murdering 60 minutes and aren't qualified to do their jobs. Like in what profession would he not be fired? Right.

It's like what you were saying about our bosses during the break. You can't say that out loud. We have great bosses. In fact, I would say the greatest bosses on the planet. All the bosses in the world.

Hours are number one. And throw me into the equally number one. Throw me under the natural gas bus. Well, you know, you've had a good run. And you've had a good run.

But I want to read what Nick built in the executive producer actually said. Because I agree what you said when we started the show.

“I think the Scott Kelly wanted to get fired.”

Yeah, I think he really believed he wants to be. You know, I think he's just angry that he couldn't be the hero before Colbert was the hero. Yeah, here was the letter. Mr. Kelly, I meant what I said in my letter last week to the 60 minutes team. Joining 60 minutes is an honor of my career.

And I'm gratefully working alongside the people who have contributed to the most important television journalism brand.

This country has ever produced while I'm new to 60 minutes. I devoted my career to investigative journalism and storytelling. I started this job excited to collaborate and to benefit from the wisdom and experience of the 60 minutes of veterans with you among them. For that reason, one of the first things I did in my new role was to call you to talk and invite you to dinner. It was a profound disappointment that you rejected that overture and shows ambush instead yesterday.

You hijacked my first meeting with the staff to disparage me. My qualifications and my intentions with remarkable instability and content. I welcome a diversity of viewpoints and a respected debate among the team. But this was nothing of the sort yesterday's performative display of hostility and acted in front of the staff. Instead of a in a civil private conversation demonstrated that you have no interest in contributing to the future success of the show or approaching my new tenure with the mind open to collaboration and progress.

I'm here to deliver first in class news programming. Not to make headlines about newsroom drama. I am eager to work alongside who share this goal. Despite yesterday's misconduct, I had hoped that in sitting down with you today, we could find a path forward together. You made it clear that you are not interested in such a path.

You're in to the beat to the future of the show has come through lot in clear. And I have heard you either for right on behalf of CBS news to inform you that your employment with CBS is terminated for cause. I'm guessing that he has a guaranteed contract.

“And then you have to mention in your letter that we're firing you for cause.”

Right. And so, you know, that goes back to again, disparaging comments. And doing that in front of other colleagues. I mean, this is the case they'll try and make for, you know, when when Pelix lawyers come back and go, nope. Got a contract and this isn't cause.

This is because you didn't like Scott Pelix or whatever they're going to do. And he might he he judge might say. You got a pan he vehemently disagreed with you. Yeah. That's not cause.

Right. Yeah.

He might get a settlement or full contract payout.

I don't know what remainder of his contract. You know, it's true. He's here. Now he's in the midfielder, midfielder, with you and so on. Click on the banner and he's in the fourth program of the REVAP.

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“And you have to look outside of yourself to live the life that you want.”

You're not in control of your life. What is it that you actually want? Money should follow the dreams and goals. Because sometimes you make the dream and goal the money. And you've overworked yourself.

And you've exceeded what you've needed for the actual thing you want. Sometimes we forget like, what's the actual thing you want? A Ford anything. I've said before, I've been fired. I actually, when people say, you mean you were fired for what did you do?

And I went, okay, no, I was let go.

I've never been fired for cause.

No, I was I was let go. I one time and ready. Uh, it's all I've done. Actually, I mean, I've done manufacturing. But my only full-time career was has been ready.

Um, but this one time that I was like, go. Uh, I, they had asked me to do the morning show. And so I went from afternoon to mornings. And then the program director wanted to go back on the air. He missed being on the air.

And I think probably the budget wasn't going to work out where they had an off air programming director, especially in a small town. I kind of felt that that was going to happen anyway. Uh, and it was December 30th, 1994. And three months later, I was, I moved from market number 237 to, I think, market number 7.

At that time, yeah. Yeah, I think it's four now. Yeah, right. And so it was a huge jump. And, and, and, and that day, I actually got hired across the street in that, in that small town.

“It wasn't literally across the, but that's what we'd say on radio.”

It was the competition hired me. And I worked for a few months there. And then got a call from a friend of mine in Dallas. And, and then, you know, landed here, worked in Rock Radio. And then a couple of years later, I started this gig.

Did you see the by the end of the year Dallas Metro will be at 9 million?

Yeah. Yeah. When I came here, it was like five and a half million. It's in 26 years ago when you... Oh, and, and this, the other thing relates to when we look at some of the primary yesterday.

If people are moving out, does that mean this, I'm putting this in a question form. If people are moving out of California. Yeah. Does this mean it's easier for Democrats to win them? Because of people that are left?

Oh, would, would be more conservative or independent. Do you mean the people leaving are the ones that are voting red? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Or if they leave, they decide to, you know, to vote red. Because you've seen that. You've seen people that, you know, you look at a Michael Shellenberg or the actor, for example. You know, he's completely rejected the Democratic Party after everything. Right.

Yeah. No.

“He was living in New York City anyway, I believe, right?”

Or does he, he, I don't know at one time he was living in California. I don't know where, I don't know where he's living actually, but yeah. But yeah, I mean, it's, what, look, the dynamics are shifting everywhere. In red states, you know, you're seeing the big counties, of course, in metro areas. They're blue.

And they've been going blue for a long, long time. And there's a higher concentration of, in fact, when did Dallas County go blue? Is that 2008 or before that? May have been before that. But you start seeing, again, that migration.

In fact, the Dallas Morning News had this really great interactive thing on their website years ago. It was several years ago. It would show where, you know, okay, which areas we're going to go blue or rather, you know, based on people moving to the state.

And so it was showing what, you know, politically what likely was going to happen in the years to come.

And it was pretty close.

“You know, uh, Pete Sessions, uh, his district, you know, basically that he used to represent is, uh, then all red, uh, won that district.”

They're, you know, the shifting we've seen in every state. However, the migration from the states, from the big blue states are for core reasons. The core reasons of survival. Because it's not just the billionaires.

No, it's the people that are leaving for jobs.

When corporations, you know, back in the day, and it used to be that, uh, we hear in North Texas. There were a lot of entities and, and the suburbs and these towns and the suburbs that made up the suburbs.

“We're saying, all right, we're going to offer these incentives.”

Plano, I don't, I don't know if they did. They did, I'm assuming they did for Samsung, um, and it's just a few minutes. That's a few minutes east of here where we are, uh, right now. And, and, but they would have to compete that way. And then those corporations would have to then, uh, entice talent from other states that they didn't have it locally.

Uh, then they would have to entice talent from other states by saying, well, we'll pay for your moving expenses. We'll pay for your lodging.

“That happens to a certain extent, but not to the level that it used to.”

And the reason is is because there are so many people moving here that are seeing that opportunity. That kind of shifted as they got across that threshold of people knowing that those jobs were going to be available here. And most of all that they were going to be paid well and have a lower cost of living. You know, you mentioned, uh, the Samsung announcement the other day, um, just looking here at the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal. The Exxon example for corporations, the shareholder duty case for leaving states and punished business.

Exxon mobile shareholders last week voted to support management's decision to move its corporate headquarters to Texas from New Jersey. It's a smart move that raises questions for other companies. Is it becoming corporate governance duty to leave states that punish businesses for states that don't. Um, 71% of Exxon's holders supported the corporate move to its annual, uh, at its annual meeting. That endorsement came despite opposition from the proxy advisor of glass Lewis and institutional shareholder services.

Those two advisory firms tried to enforce progressive policies on corporate governance, even if they are not in the best interest of the shareholders. The Exxon CEO Darren Woods pitched the decision as better for its business as the company is operated in Texas for decades. The board believes that this kind of familiarity will lead to more reasonable productive decisions from Texas officials and citizens,

which is critical to the long term success of the company.

Yet Exxon has had its legal home in New Jersey since 1882. Wow. So why move it now? The best answer is the policy differences between the states are becoming wider. States run by Democrats are moving in a sharply different direction than states run by Republicans. One big difference is litigation risk. In 2022 New Jersey's attorney general sued Exxon for allegedly deceiving the public about climate change and fossil fuels. A judge dismissed the case in 2025. The climate lawsuits are a major priority for the tort bar and progressives.

Exxon also amended its bylaws to provide an exclusive form provision to litigate shareholder suits in the federal court in Southern Texas or the state special business courts. This is at least somewhat protection against marauding plaintiff lawyers in league with Democrat state attorney generals. Texas attorney general Ken Paxon has become an anti-business problem, though, who soon be out of that job as he seeks a Senate seat. Exxon has already moved its corporate headquarters to Texas, so it is long benefited from the low cost of doing business.

New Jersey has the highest corporate tax rate at 11.5% Texas has no corporate tax rate, though it does have a gross receipt tax. Texas also has no top personal income tax while New Jersey's top rate 10.75.

And I guess the question is is this a tipping point now are we finally seeing it it was going to happen sooner or later right.

Yeah companies aren't going to continue to stay in places that cost them significantly more. No no they're not and you know it's it's interesting because we were talking to a wife was talking to a family friend who she's done business with for years. In fact we look back and and many of our friends you know these days are people that we've done business with and and they so they have years of experience.

“And you know there there is a shift in the thinking you talked about it I think you mentioned it off the year earlier about how many.”

Able body males are not in the workforce right now and aren't they're really not looking actively and it's amazing when you look at well people in our age group let's just say.

People in the 45 to 65 age category. Companies are scrambling to find people that will just show up that will just be there that you know and you know you're it's not that they're going to pay. Extravagant salaries just for showing up but they are willing to hire and pay well and then promote on a regular basis for those that do. And you know when when you have so much competition out there for you know people being able to we right now it's kind of stagnant in the jobs market it's not on the national level.

It's not what it was in years past going to pre-COVID.

“But I think we're heading back in that direction and that's when you'll start seeing wage increases because that competition just starts to get fast and furious that's it's that's what you're going to start seeing.”

I have those numbers you just mentioned it's just but it was the Jason Riley story yesterday American Idol. Yeah one in three working age American men aren't so much even looking for a job. Yeah these are Bureau of Labor Statistics Bureau of Labor Statistics. Yeah Idol as an IDLE writing set of IDOL right that's right yeah love it. That next I'm right I radio. Brought to you by FPPF fuel power max surviving a thriving as an owner operator has just as much to do with managing costs as it does with generating revenue.

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We're neither working nor looking for a job in April. Among males 20 and older, the 66% labor force participation rate is down from 73% in 2006. Now, does this include gig jobs, does this include because if you're a contractor yourself employ, no, no, that includes, it includes that too, right, yes, yes.

The immigration boats ill for the country, a life without gainful employment has become a viable alternative for increase an increasing number of American males in his book men without work.

“Remember that men without hats are men at or exactly reported that the work rate for men 20 and older fell by more than 13 percentage points between nineteen sixty five and two thousand fifteen more stats coming up that are pretty shocking.”

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“Thank you. All right, so that really interesting the department of labor statistics one in three men in the United States when either working or looking for a job in April among males 20 and older.”

The sixty six percent labor force participation rate is down from seventy three percent in two thousand six and we were adjacent to Jason Riley's column in the WSJ that we were talking about and talking about the book men without work. That is out there now. This is really interesting that the work rate for men 20 and older fell by more than 13 percentage points between nineteen sixty five and twenty fifteen during that half century he added the fraction of men without jobs of any sort. And we have brought twenty to sixty four group went from ten percent of the total to almost twenty two percent and the percentage of holy jobless prime age men shot from six percent to nearly sixteen percent.

“And in terms of the term rise in male joblessness does not stem from the inability to find employment.”

It results instead from an unwillingness to search for work and while labor force participation rates vary by race and ethnicity factors other than hiring discrimination. They're running a larger role in the disparities and they write in the book the legacy of prejudice might seem to explain why primage males work rates and workforce participation rates are lower for blacks and whites today. But they cannot explain why work rates for white men today are decidedly lower than they were for black men in nineteen sixty five.

Huh, nor can they explain why the labor participation rates of married black men 25 to 54 are higher than for never married white men in the same age group.

Wow, they talk about with some laying the technological advancements globalization deindustrialization for the increase in male idleness, but those barriers are hardly insurmountable. Like married men who are trying to support their families foreign born males who come to the US in search of work also tend to have higher work rates notwithstanding globalization and other macroeconomic trends.

Never married men noxody neither married men nor immigrants are stealing these jobs rather they are seizing employment opportunities that others will not take.

The more likely culprit is a social safety net full of generous government benefits that allow men who won't work to subsist. Well fair and disability programs at the state and federal level are well funded by the political left are easily game by design and have become a significant source of income for men with no jobs and no interest in finding one. I'd love to break this down by staying. I love this here this is Jason Rally righteous because these men often have no problem mooching off women who take them in they're able to live on welfare payments sent to others in the same household well hold on second hold on I just want to say this.

I'm not mooching yes. Democrats in Washington often look to Europe as a social welfare model for the United States we did to bring up although you notice Democrats aren't bringing up Sweden anymore because Sweden really has the best functionalist programs are really hurting the economy hurting job creation and also the fact that one thing that was very, very quiet is a middle class pays a lot more in taxes for those social programs. But they go but a recent journal editorial on Britain's workforce woes ought to give them pause according to a new report from former labor health secretary Alan Milburn nearly a million brits under the age of 25 are not employed in school or in any type of job training.

Nearly half of Britain's idle youth under the age of 25 now claim to have a work limiting disability and they collect benefits the journal noted.

Around seven in ten youth who claimed a disability benefit these are people under the age of 25 and Great Britain are still on it a decade later.

“Europe's largest safety net is not a model for America it's a cautionary tale you know you know I said this long time ago people know no way and we said no you can look at you know you can look at the i remember when the Soviet Union broke up.”

And there were Russians complaining because they had to go out and actually find a job everything was intended to them well and what they found out was that people will would rather have a there are some people especially when you have you know the the pathology of dependency. Right that is put into you when everything is just handed to you you don't have to do anything right well then you'd rather live in a middle minimal sustenance like that then actually go out and face the world. Well yeah because there's this great fear you know that nothing's going to be there and in the beginning you know post Soviet Union it was true right I mean you know they didn't they just didn't have what we have here and I would love to break this down on these stats.

“Right yeah we talk about the welfare. All right because there are a lot of states that's going to be limited on employment it's going to be limited by state.”

Food stamps is going to be limited by state of it's you know when you break it down I would love to I would really love to see.

Because it would only make sense that this is happening at a greater level in the states that get out give out at the state level.

“The greater amounts of free stuff food housing unemployment which is going to be limited in every state but any of that right and and also the mooching.”

Here's my question. So a guy moves in with a woman a you know and they're not married. They're considered to be roommates right well if the guy's not working and she's working.

Because you know he he mentions mooching off of women and he's if you look at that then the guy living with the woman. Could could claim because he's he's a separate household that even though they live together and that could be roommates. The state will not include her income in qualifying for benefits for him. So he could be getting who knows what if they're not married. You know he we get the full benefits as if he lived alone. And she's paying the rent. You know I I look at it I was having a discussion have had some great discussions people's young people say well do you think there's opportunity today.

And I said yes I think it's a time of opportunity. And if I was a young person would I be would I view my future in an optimistic way because a lot of people don't there's nothing out there.

You know when I when I think about it when I when I was in radio for short time after college.

“I was working all through in college at the bank but the the unemployment rate and and I and I'm going to pick this time out because you know you look at nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eight.”

And and I always think of the malaise speech by Jimmy Carter you know basically it's you know whatever we need to you know we the malaise speech and whatever.

And all I can think of is you know that was a time when the unemployment rate from seventy nine to eighty one from six percent to seven point two percent. And so I raised the interest rate to twenty percent yeah just a few months before nineteen seventy nine twenty percent so inflation was through the roof unemployment was much greater than it was today. Right right and. I was as optimistic as I could possibly be what was happening on the outside never changed my focus. I knew there were you know the funny thing is I knew that there were challenges out there.

But I never thought that those challenges and and this comes again from my my father. Yeah. My father who just said don't matter what's going on if you're the best at what you do you can find something. If you're willing to work if you're willing to work you got to work at the get done. You got to show up you know what now I had to get out of my chosen per well my chosen profession at that time.

I was in radio for like six months and I sucked it was music radio. And and so I went into do it my family all did even though I had you know no.

“Job experience I didn't I became a machinist you know and that's what I did for four years and got back into radio in eighty three and never never had been out.”

You know since that since that point we're back into music radio in in eighty three but. I would be just as optimistic today as I was back then because it really didn't matter.

I had blinders on there and I always wanted to eventually get back into radio.

I was buying my time a little bit but then I'm going to say the okay what do I do radio next and all the sudden boom. This job opportunity comes up you know as a machinist which paid a lot more. Then I when I became you know the went to worth eating compressors and you know we're making you know that you're not at steel workers we're making great money. And and so I stayed in it because that was the first thing the first thing was not to do exactly what I wish to do. In life because I was was focused towards radio the first thing was kind of make money.

And even when I was the you know when I did that stuff the machinist stuff I was still doing club I was still a club DJ was still doing that on the side sure. You know probably three nights a week. But all of us I think of my my you know my buddy Jerry and my buddy Jeff.

Because we all went to college we had we didn't view it as having incredible work ethic you didn't sit there and say we're all of incredible work ethics.

I just want to make money. Right yeah yeah. Well and it's it's also a drive I think to you know because I look at.

“You know read something the other day is it you should set your goals and that's so.”

You know to me setting setting down and you should sit down and write all of your goals if that works for somebody. Okay good for them okay for me it's a waste of time because I know what my overall goal is. And it's and it requires that you keep moving in the in the same momentum with the same momentum in the same direction. And that every day you're looking to learn so if you want to say well that's actually one of your goals. Yeah, but I'm not going to sit down with a pattern you know pen and and write all this stuff down I that's a waste of time to me.

You know I was wanted to be in radio and I hoped for it for the future, but my what really passionately drove me was to be self sufficient at the moment. Well yeah that was my passion right I want to be wanting to get my own place wanted to be wanted a car. Because that was that was freedom I wanted a job made it so I could set the direction of where I wanted to go which is freedom. Right experience the opportunity to freedom gives you now people want freedom from responsibilities. It's saying it just it's a foreign concept to me it is we are right I radio.

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