06-04-26 Part One - Rubio's Shoes

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He is here, Curly, and I'm Gary McNamara. Good morning. Good morning. You would think after 42 years, I would learn how to turn on the button. That's the toughest part of this job.

I'm still working on it. Thanks for the coffee. Hey, you're welcome. Eric made me a coffee. It's an honor of the late Bill Mac.

My old partner going back to the old old night show on WBAP, which he started in 1969.

When I first started with him, the first night we went live.

“He said, "Son, let me go make you a cup of coffee."”

It comes in with a cup of coffee. We had our first affiliate was joining us, and it's still with us today. WJR and Detroit, and it was a beautiful thing. Today, well, which just started, June 4th, would have been a sport thing. So happy birthday, Bill.

We know you're up there looking down on us. Well, it's probably shaking your head. Let's just clarify this. Yeah. You did not start with him in 1969.

I did not. That would have been three years old. I probably would have wanted to. I was still living in Omaha at that point, so that would have been hard to commute. But yeah, no, I did not.

He started the old night show back in March of 1969, and earned the name the midnight cowboy, because that was the Oscar winner, a picture of the year. Midnight Cowboys. So a trucker called him from a truck stop back then. Of course, no cell phones.

I had to put a bunch of dimes in a phone in the booth. And he called him and said they should call you the midnight cowboy, because you're on the radio. You play counter music and you're on it. Midnight, so they should call you because there's a movie out called the midnight cowboy that's getting all these awards. And then the rest of the system.

But no, I did not start with Bill. I did listen to him all of my life growing up when you grow up in Texas. All the greats. Wow. Bill Mac Ron Chapman.

Hal J. My gosh. The list is endless. Katie Craddick. All of them.

You ready? I'm ready. What do you got? Bowen Jim. Did you?

Did you? Did you get the feeling that nothing will be accomplished ever again. And in any type of testimony with Congress. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Listen. I don't know if the shoes are too big or not. Oh. Are you talking about that testimony?

No, that's just the, that's just happens to be. Okay.

That happens to be the first one that I have here.

All right. And this is Marco Rubio before the, the house. Yeah, yeah. Foreign Affairs Committee. Right.

Here we go. Okay. Last question for you. Mr. Secretary, who won the 2020 presidential election? I'm not here to answer quite.

We're talking about 2020. This is a foreign affairs committee. Okay. Great. You can answer the question.

You can answer the question. Even though we all know. I don't know. Because the Secretary state. I do not participate in domestic.

It's not about domestic political issues. This is about our democracy. You're asking me to, uh, pine. Just like I don't do campaign. It seems like you.

I don't because as Secretary state, we're not supposed to. That's been the long tradition of the department.

“And you should know that if you've been on this committee for any period of time.”

Mr. Secretary, it seems like you have an issue admitting facts. You can't say that the president lost the 2020 election. Just like you won't admit President Trump is losing this reckless war of choice. And just like you couldn't admit that the shoes the president bought you were too big. You clearly don't know what winning means.

And not because the facts are unclear to you. It's because telling your truth, the truth would cost you your job. And the American people are entitled to a secretary. By the way, she's reading that. I was going to say she's reading that.

She's not only performative.

There's a script. Yeah. Yeah. And she ends every sentence. And like a question.

Yeah. Let's, let's continue it. But she's that's, uh, uh, uh, uh, Sarah Jacobs, representative Jacobs. Yeah. She's where you can see it.

She's her eyes are scanning down. It's a script. Here we go. Petary state, who tells them the truth. Even when the president doesn't want to hear it.

And my constituents are service members deserve better. Mr. Chairman, I yield back. I don't know what shoes she's talking about. What are you talking about? Representative Birchett.

You're recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If you'd like to answer any of that. I don't know about the show. I mean, they need some floor time shoes.

They're actually pretty good. They fit fine. I don't know where. I don't know what she's talking about.

“And maybe that's what she's referring to.”

You should look very nice today. Mr. Secretary. How can you see them? They're way down here. We're talking about shoes.

Are you guys kidding me? I mean, is this the foreign affairs committee? Or is this like a circus? What is this? Okay.

Then we get to Scott the best in before the Senate. And Representative Wyden from Oregon. Ready for this? All right. Here we go.

All right. Okay. Chairman. Yes. Let's be clear here.

Nobody is interested in the ramblings of a capo in the most corrupt regime in American history. We want to get some facts about this deal. That's what we're here for. Thank you. Well, thank you.

And I will ask my questions first today.

And we would like to hear what Adam Wyden and Jeffrey Epstein talked about. Your son's largest investment position was Rick's cabaret.

“So did your son and Jeffrey Epstein talk about pole dancing?”

As he begged him for money using your limited credibility. I'm going to proceed with my question. I like the woods frame. And you can hear anything? Yeah.

Actually, we just proceed on this thing here. Is where the hell are we going? We're just bringing like home or something. This is going to be great. And I'm going to need a lawyer.

My gosh. And then there's this. Here we go. This is again back to a rubio with represent of Madeline Dean is it? Yeah.

Pennsylvania for district. Here we go. Just to be a show. Well, because one of those were in Coulouse with Hamas. And we saw an incredible amount of the A-flow in Hamas's hands.

Reclaiming my time. The A-D was held up at the border by Israel and now. You're going to put the rules here. You can't even answer a question. You're not calling the rules.

You're very familiar with how this works.

No, I never served in the time of the weird rule.

When I was a person and I can't answer. Would you please add time to the clock? Nope. He's. No.

No. No. Wow. I love it. I mean, I love it.

It was, and we have more coming up throughout the show. But it was just a complete, just a complete zoo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It was. And once again, what I take from it is, you know, Marco Rubio is vastly different as Secretary of State than he was as senator. And of course, you know, the behavior changes according to the office. And he kind of lined that out.

You know, I'm not going to sit here and open as Secretary of State. We don't do that. The shoes fit fine. What is this a circus? And he doesn't back down.

He doesn't back down anywhere.

And this was one of the questions I had in the first term of Donald Trump.

Because I thought to myself, where are the Republicans that are willing to fight months Donald Trump is no longer president? And we have a whole list. You know, it may be a short list. It's shorter than I want.

Certainly. But Marco Rubio, it's right there, right at the top. Along with governor to Santa's. I would throw in governor Abbott of Texas. I don't think he's going to run for a national office.

Maybe he will. I don't know. But, you know, vice president vans. These are people who don't back down. You know, the other thing is that did you see that they were on.

“In Ted Lou, I think I have this audio from from Representative Lou.”

That was, you know, they're accusing Trump of falling asleep. That he's old and falling asleep. Right. That, you know, he needs a lot. And this is a guy that's probably up now.

Right. You said what? Four hours maybe. I don't think it's a day, but here's part of this back and forth. We have not seen the president in eight days.

The American people deserve the truth. I yield back. I don't even out of response to that. Other than to tell you that it's absurd and ridiculous. And I can't believe we're in a foreign affairs committee meeting in front of the house.

And important time in American foreign policies. Just keep lying. Just keep on. Just keep on.

The truth of the matter is we had a cognitively impaired president in an office a few years ago.

“That's a cognitively impaired president.”

But I don't like to talk about that because it weakens America. This president we have. This is a guy that literally doesn't sleep. He works day and night long hours every single day. I don't know if you haven't seen him in eight days.

I saw him yesterday. I didn't see him today, but yesterday because I was in Congress today before. I talked to him in all hours of the day and night. He works in human hours. Okay.

I've been on. I've been on foreign trips with the president that he doesn't sleep in the whole flight. And everyone else is sleeping on the plane. He's, you know, wandering the hallways looking for someone to wake up and talk to the people. So I don't know what you're referring to.

But he has an incredible amount of energy.

I'm just telling you, you may not like his policies. You may not like his policies. You may not like the decisions he's made. But I assure you, this is not a president that sleeps or is a cognitively impaired in any way shape or form. And in fact, this is incredibly active.

“Much more so in many cases than much younger people that are around them.”

Those are facts. I see it every day. You're not going to agree because you have another narrative that you want to push. And thank you if you can handle the truth. Well, the interesting thing was I thought it was maybe a parody account from Hunter Biden yesterday.

Yeah. Because he was saying the same thing as the president was holding the press conference. Right. Yeah. And you had prominent, because I had to check it out.

I'm like, this looks like it's Hunter Biden's, you know, ex-page. And you had, you know, Republicans in the media saying, you idiot, he's there right now. And the response was, well, that's a clone. That's not really him. And I'm like, this has got to be a parody.

Right. You had, you know, you had major Republican media people that apparently were on this site that believed it was Hunter Biden. And, and from what I could see, it was. Yeah.

You know, you just don't know who the bots are.

But these are, you know, and so it was like amazing.

And you saw Democrats. You saw it all over social media. Democrats were saying, we haven't seen the president in eight days. As he was talking. Yeah.

As he was doing the press conference. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's just, they're trying to make this case. They went after the one reporter that wasn't smiling.

Oh, yeah. And, you know, I mean, it's, yeah. Yeah. And, and, but there, it's, this is the worst attempt at a Jedi mind trick that the Democrats have tried to pull so far.

For them, there was nothing wrong with Joe Biden until the debate. And then everything was wrong with Joe Biden. And then now it's, while as Trump is talking, we haven't seen him in eight days. They want to weigh their hand in, in front of someone's face like a Jedi. And, and say it, as if it's so, and make people believe it, like a Jedi mind trick.

It's lame. Move on to something else. Again, you know, the same thing. I would say what, what Marco Rubio says, Secretary Rubio lining out very clearly. Sky doesn't sleep.

We've known this by the way about him for years, for years. And he, whether it was when he was in the private sector or when he started running for office and then became president, the guy doesn't sleep. And this, you know, this whole attempt.

“And, and I think part of it is, you know, I don't think it had legs when Joe interrupted the interview”

between Woopy and and, and Joe Biden the other day. That story really didn't gain much attention. And I think it's because we all come to learn that there is something wrong with Joe. And, and quite frankly, it's not funny. Quite frankly, it's, it's very sad.

And it's very sad that his family is a big part of this and isn't getting him care. It, it is clear. They don't care about his well-being. Donald Trump doesn't stop working. Say what you will about, we've said it.

You know, I don't know how many times, but more than once that he'll talk to anybody at any time, including the media, almost to a fault. Well, well, when I noticed yesterday is that that almost everything, nobody wanted an answer from Rubio or Becent. No, they didn't want them to justify the policies.

No. It was just, let's not even talk, you know, and one of Mark Rubio's frustrations is this is the Foreign Affairs Committee. Talk about foreign affairs. I don't get involved in the politics of it. Right.

Talk to me about what my job is and he couldn't get them to do it. Right. And it was just like, you know, but at least he made it clear. Look, this is why I'm here. I'm here.

I'm Secretary of State. I don't get involved in the political end of it. You know, what do you want to know? And I want to find the one where he was, you know, that I kind of find the one here.

I got to find it where one of the representatives asked him and said, well,

“you know, Kushner and Whitmer are over there talking to Iran.”

And you were back at a party. Yeah. What are you talking about? And he says, number one, the vice president was there. Mm-hmm.

Oh, and they said, you know, the two people were over there and not confirmed. He goes, well, the vice president was there. Yeah. The other two, the special envoy, and the other one, yeah, Kushner's a private sector guy, but he's done this before.

Right. And so he's part of the negotiation. But fans was there. And I was constantly updating the president as to what's going on at the White House. Right.

There was a party going on, but I was working to update and constantly in communication back and forth. But they were attempting, again, they didn't want the actual answers. They were attempting to make the case. You're just a party boy with the president and aren't doing your job. Right.

You can't take that case from Marco Rubian. No. No. You know, and you can make the, as he said about the president, you can disagree with his policies. We've disagreed with the, the president's policies at times.

Well, we will today. Again, because there's a couple of things where just looks really weak. Right. Really weak right now. And we have no problem doing it.

“But the fact is to sit there and say to attack him in a way to say that he's a Joe Biden.”

Or he's worse than Biden. Right. Trying to make, you know, that analogy or that Marco Rubio's just a partier who's not doing his job. I mean, you can't make that case. No.

No, you can't. You can't, and I think you got to sell something. You're going to, if you're going to sell something, it's got to have some type of obvious. I think obvious reality to it. Right.

Some kind of imagery, something. Right. And they don't. And of course, every, every attempt right now, every chance to attack Marco Rubio in public. They're going to take because they know he's also, they also know he's on the top of the list for the GOP.

He has a very strong future in the party if he wants it. Period. And he won't back down. They're afraid of him. They fear him.

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Yeah. We have this audio here. Okay. Here we go ready for this. Okay.

Talking to Mark Wayne Mullen. And he uses the word racist and Mullen. Are you calling me a racist? But it was mumbling beforehand. You couldn't tell who was talking to.

But here's how this goes. All right. And racist. Mr. Secretary. Would do what happened to Rudy?

Are you calling me a racist? A racist. I'm asking a question. Reclaiming my time asking the show. That's a pretty.

That's up. You don't understand. It's not. It's not. I don't know.

I don't know. I'll call me a racist.

I never told him a racist is my time.

It is gentlemen. It's a gentleman. And he will just tell him to shut up. It'll gentlemen. No.

Peace and love. Yeah. Love is all around.

“Remember when the Democrats were preaching civility?”

Yes. Serenity now. Apparently, he's upset. L. Green's upset at everybody now. Yeah.

He lost his primary. Yeah. Yeah, that's. This is. Yeah.

He's not just mad at Trump. He's mad at everybody. He's mad at everybody. Your own party rejected you, L. Green. How do you like that?

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So here's the audio that we wanted to play. This is representative Jackie Rosen with a Secretary Rubio.

This is the first audio cut that I heard yesterday.

And I went, yep. That's why so many Republicans are looking at him for the presidency in 2028. He communicates effectively. Here we go. The Miami-American people that is the Secretary of State.

Your main duty as America's chief diplomat is to maintain our relation with foreign nations. This is why it was shocked to see that you were at a party with President Trump and Miami. Instead of accompanying Vice President Vance to Pakistan for negotiations. What party was I at? I was at a party.

Publicly reported and there's photos there. But what party? No, no, no. But you're going to say that. I'm going to answer it.

I'm going to answer that. I was not at a party. I was my paragraph. He can answer. People are going to send me.

I'm going to answer it.

And Jared Kushner, both of whom were never confirmed by this body to be America's diplomats.

Accompanied the Vice President when negotiations. Even Iran's foreign minister was not there. Yet you were not. Was there, excuse me, and you were not. I just feel that's embarrassing for us.

And it's embarrassing for you. So Mr. Secretary Congress represents the American people. We have the power to confirm who represents America abroad. We confirmed you to be our Secretary of State. We confirmed you to be in the negotiations that are happening.

And it's just unthinkable to me that you are not. You are missing high stakes negotiations or that you're not involved. It's sad. It's been a Rosen. You're dying.

You're dying. You're dying. You're dying. You're dying. Let me send you Secretary Rubius.

You're 100% in action. You're in a hot percent wrong. Here's why. Number one, the Vice President of the United States was there. And he wasn't confirmed by it.

He was elected by the American people.

He is the second in line of the presidency in the United States.

He was president. The President. Mr. Whitkoff is the president's envoy for negotiation for peace deals. Mr. Kushner is a private citizen that serves as an advisor on these functions. They were the team that we sent to Pakistan.

I was not at a party where I was as next to the president. Because in the midst of those negotiations, I was in communications with them.

“And in fact, I think there is media reporting from that evening on how multiple”

occasions I went into a back room. I came back out and spoke to the president and was constantly updating him. On that evening, I spoke to Mr. Kushner and our negotiating team and Mr. Whitkoff on at least six occasions, including twice on a secure line from the phone. They had access to it over there.

You don't know what you're talking about. You're just saying the road is not flowing. He has a floor. I know your staff wrote up this cute statement for your TikTok video, but it's not true. And it's not real.

That's not what happened. I'm the National Security Advisor and Secretary of State. I was co-located with the president in the midst of a high-stakes negotiation

I was where I needed to be at that moment because we had a very capable team on the ground in Pakistan, led by the Vice President, led by the Vice President, led by the Vice President. My name? There you go. Yeah.

And it's -- I love the -- your cute little TikTok video. Because this is performative. This is what the Democrats have become. If you've got something there that's based in reality, that's one thing.

“If you want to go on a rant, that's -- the testimony when the opposition party is taking their time.”

It's always going to be a rant, but it should be reality-based.

It should be -- this is what you did. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And of course, she's making it up as she goes along. She wants people to believe something that's not true. It is performative.

It is trying to get a little clip that -- and this is what they all want. They didn't work for Jasmine Crocket in the long run, who knows if she'll make a return. It didn't work for a lot of them. I don't think it's working right now for A.O.C.

We'll see if that turns around in 2028. But this performative nature that they have. It's one thing to get up there and perform. I've seen people on the right do it, but they're filled with the facts, every -- the content of what they're saying happens to be true.

And if it's not, you and I are the first to call them out on it.

But this -- this is performative in nature. These are children. These are people that know they either are pretending like they know nothing, and that's pretty stupid to do. Or they're just stupid and know nothing.

Well, I think what -- obviously what they're doing is they're trying to appease the far left. They really don't want to discuss what is going on. They really don't wish to discuss, you know, the issues. They want to make accusations, use all of -- because it was happening to Rubio yesterday. They were using all the time just to attack him.

And then give him no chance to respond. And it was Republicans giving him some of their time to respond to the Democrats. My thing that I would do is I would say, you know, any question I would ask, please if you could answer it within 20 seconds because I don't cut you off. Because I just don't -- I have limited time.

So, you know, give -- so here are my questions for you.

“You know, basically what is -- you know, that's what I would do.”

I mean, I just -- I think that from my point of view that on any particular issue, I would view the Democrat opposition any question I have would be a weak spot that I would be hitting. And I would know that within 10 seconds I would either get an answer or they'd be BS and me and it would be obvious. That's what I would do. But the left, as we know, and we've talked about this a lot, have you ever noticed that

it's the left that really wants to shut up the right and censor the right? And I know this because we do this every day. Yeah. And every time -- probably the -- one of the first times was when Erica went out of business because I was using cuts from them all the time.

The last thing I want to do is the Democrats with the insane narratives that they have, the last thing I want them to do is shut up. I don't want them to shut up. No. I want to ask them questions.

Yes. They won't answer any questions. No. They don't want you to hear from the right and they do not want to be cross-examine on the issues where they stand. They don't want to answer what they actually truly believe.

Right. No, they don't. They can't. And they can't get out there and own their own radical agenda. I mean, they push it in a way that, again, is performative because what are they -- what

are they doing? Look at how they campaign.

I mean, it's always about attacks and attacking the opposition.

That's a given. But if you can't get them in their own words, then what have you got? Well, the GOP has this. This is our frustration with the Republicans. You've got them in their own words.

Do it. We've seen you do it. Right. Campaign and make them -- you've got the ads already built.

“All you have to do is approve the approval thing at the end of it.”

I'm so-and-so, and I approve this message. You've got to do it. Well, it's like -- and believe me, we notice it.

Yeah.

Remember when Trump made the comment a couple of weeks ago, we know what he said.

But the way he said it, we said that's going to be used in an ad against him. Yeah. Against the Republicans, kind of November. Yeah. And what was that?

Where he said, oh, he doesn't -- basically when he fights a war, the consequences of prices don't matter. But the way that he said it was that I don't care about the consequences. Right. Are you concerned about the prices of gasoline?

And that's not one of my concerns. You know, basically was the message. And you've got to rephrase it when everybody's getting hit at the top. We know what you're saying. You're saying the priority is to win the war.

And it should be, and we're behind you on that.

“But you have to -- you just have to rephrase it.”

Right.

But we always -- we notice it immediately.

We've been in this business long enough. It's like, okay, they're going to use that one. Yeah. And when we saw, you know, for example, Tala Rico, his own words are going to continue to be used against him. As is everything that the platner has done.

Oh, my gosh. We got some great audio coming up. Oh, that's just -- that's turning into a complete zoo. Yeah. But I just -- that was what I got out of yesterday, really, with all the hearings I went.

Yeah. Nothing's ever going to be accomplished anymore because the Democrats really don't want to know the answers. They don't want to ask a question to find out what the answer is. And you can see they're all reading scripts.

Yeah. And even in the back and forth with the one representative, she was just -- you could see. She's just reading the script, making it sound like it's Adlib. But obviously, it wasn't Adlib. She was just jumping trying to rub you with say something.

And she's scanning to find it was -- it was almost like Carine John Pierre. Yeah. But in fast motion, yeah. But in fast motion, she was scanning quicker than Carine John Pierre going. I don't know what I'm going to do.

Right. If you can't say it off the top of your head. Now, you know, if you're listing things, that's one thing.

“If you've got -- I want to remember to get to these points.”

That's one thing and talking points. But if you cannot -- if you cannot speak with conviction from -- at any point from any point, then there's -- sorry, nobody's going to buy it. You know, the left is buying it. The far left is buying it.

But they're just as radical as you are. The rank and file are just as radical as you are because they keep voting for you. And someone might say, well, come on, guys, you can't do all this adlib. We do. I've done it for -- we do.

We've done it for over four decades. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It can be done, especially when you know what you believe. Got into a -- a little bit of a discussion with an old boss of mine yesterday. And he's more liberal.

Mm-hmm.

And we got into discussion and said, hey, here's what I don't like about the Democrats.

Here's where I don't like where the Republicans are going. Right. And so he responded once and then about half our later responded. I have to ask you, did you copy and paste that from something? Uh-huh. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. No, they can't believe. And I just wrote back typical liberal response. Well, because it's like -- I don't need to copy and paste anything. I don't need anybody else's opinion for me to give my opinion.

I know what it is because I've done it so long, hundreds of topics. That's not bragging.

“That's just the reality of what you have to do when you're in this business as long.”

Well, you don't get to stay in the game this long if you don't have that ability to -- speak from your convictions. You don't. You just don't. That's just the way it is. And, you know, that's -- you know, we're decades in counting.

I quit counting now because it makes me feel old every time I do. But you have to speak with conviction. The left can't do that. We are Red Eye Radio. Coming up more with Gary McNamara and Eric Hartley.

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California announces they have finished counting the votes. Ronald Reagan has won the 1966 Governor's Race. [ Applause ] You know, as interesting, you were telling me yesterday that New York Times and Fox News said that those -- the races were called.

Yeah, that bass had made it to the runoff. That bass -- and they didn't call anybody else just bass.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's the one thing. Because I never saw it. It didn't show either one.

“And now, as we all know, the controversy comes in.”

Well, it's not settled yet because the controversy that it's getting closer for second and third

as the male and ballots come in. And they're just at 66% of the votes. Right. So this thing could take weeks. Yeah.

Well, they can't get their votes done, but they can learn that -- they can put the checkmark next to bass's name. It happened, by the way, at 12/30 -- it was around 12/30 central time. A.M. So that means it was 10/30 p.m. out in California.

They were already calling, you know, saying bass had already made the runoff. Like, huh? Wait, we -- because you're going to take your time on -- I mean, they claim they're looking at these districts that are so Democrat that's impossible.

“In fact, RCP had that 53% of the votes had been counted at that point.”

But New York Times had only 48% of the votes had been counted. And I thought, well, then we don't hold on the second. Why we put in any checkmarks by any names? But they did, and Fox News joined them, you know, eventually. So, yeah.

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He is Eric Hurley, and I'm Gary McNamara. Hi. Hello. And welcome. Thanks for being here. All right.

On Fox News yesterday, you had John Robertson. You had Brett Hume talking about the whole Scott Kelly firing, which just won't die away inside the beltway. Will it? No, it won't.

It won't. It won't go away. I mean, probably. Well, the vast majority of Americans don't watch 60 minutes. I mean, that's the thing.

You can have 20 million viewers.

That means 320 million people aren't watching. Right. All right. And if you have 15 million viewers, you can do the math. If you have 10 million, you can do the math.

But I just read Hume's just great on this. Here we go. All right, area. You're taking all of this. You and I, most other people in this country have at times work for people with whom we disagree on occasion.

Absolutely right, John. I've worked in this TV news business for more than a half a century. And I've worked for a lot of different bosses, many of whom I liked to admire. And a few who I did not.

But I have always found a way to work with every one of them as best I could.

I never thought myself some great guardian of journalistic integrity who wasn't open to the ideas of others, whose whom I might at least at first disagree. And I've never had a problem finding a way to do the work in a way that would please me. And please whatever boss I had or at least satisfied them. These 60 minutes correspondence led now by Scott Pelle seemed to think that they are the guardians of journalists to integrity.

And certainly there's stars on that show. But John, it's worth remembering what that show is, how that show works. Like all these television magazine shows, as prominent as the correspondence who narrated, that I'm going to appear on camera seemed to be, those shows are producer-driven. And these correspondence become famous because of the good work that is done by producers who go out and do the interviews,

supervise the shooting and editing of the pieces and so on, and the writing as well. And the correspondence come in to do a couple of interviews, downration and appear on camera. So they get to be pretty big stars that way. On a show, John, as you well know, which has, for at least a significant part of the year,

the best lead-in in television, which is to say the NFL on Sunday.

Well, it appeared as though management was willing to look past that very public dressing down of Nick Bilton,

who is the new executive producer. He said this letter to Pelle, he said quote, "Despite yesterday's misconduct, I hope that in sitting down with you today, we could find a path forward together. You made clear that you're not interested in such a path. You're antipathy to the future of the show as country loud and clear, and I have heard you.

I therefore write on behalf of CBS News Incorporated to inform you that your employment with CBS is terminated for cause, effective immediately. Seems that Pelle's strategy here was scorched up. Well, you know, it would have been one thing. If this new executive producer at CBS had taken the helm

and begun to put things together, that Pelle found objectionable. But he hadn't done anything yet. He was just newly appointed. And Pelle seemed to think it was his job to take out after this guy without ever even giving him a chance.

“And even if that were the case, you have to remember in life”

that the boss is still the boss and if you're a subordinate employee, you don't get to run the place. Yeah, you know what I mean? One of the things that probably as, you know, from, you know, I look at what is coming out.

How many years is it now? 45, whatever it is in this business. And I remember, I can't remember who the personality was. And they said they'll get to a point. And it's true.

I said, when you become more established in the industry, you will outlast as a talent. By the way, guys, don't bother the talent. Yeah, leave them alone. That's just running joke around here, folks.

Yeah. Don't look at the talent in the eye. Don't look at the talent in the eye.

“But I never forget someone telling me, you will outlast all management.”

You will go through a succession of management every couple of years. By the time you're done, you might have worked for 20 different management, even if you stay at the same company. Well, it's just a half. It's an, and yeah, including CEOs and everything else.

We have a great CEO now that one of our past CEOs, you know, one of his speeches locally stopped in, say hi. He says, remember, there's no eye in Citadel. We're like, actually, there's you. Well, there's no me in a team.

Actually, there is. I mean, but it's, it's interesting. I mean, Eric and I, when we started working together a long time ago, you know, just said, you know, to anybody who's on our staff, you know, there's no yelling.

No, we, I mean, this is, if you want a little bit behind the scenes,

we've always, there's no yelling.

We don't, nobody else.

“And if we all aren't having a good time, then why are we here?”

Right. You know, and, and seriously, we have every drink our bourbon and smoke our cigar. No, no, there comes to, there comes to a point where everybody is a professional. I remember, I remember as a boss when, when I ran a radio station, and I even hired younger talent, but they were very, very, very motivated.

And as, as I remember, I would listen to some of them. And there were things that I would disagree with. And I remember one of the, one of the people made a mistake. One time, and I had heard it. I can't remember what was dead error, whatever it was.

And I knew that that person was more upset than I was, because I just knew, and they came in sweating like three days later going, "I'm sorry, I shouldn't have hidden this from you, but this happened the other day, and it should have been driving me crazy." And I went, "What?" and he goes, "You know, there was whatever it was dead error."

He said, "I know, I heard it." He didn't say anything. I go, "Look at you, you're a mess." You know, "What could I have done to make it?" I'm enjoying your suffering.

I go, "What could I do to make it?" Any worse. And I had had discussions with some of these people who used to work for me a long, long time ago, and they said, "You gave us so much freedom."

And I said, "Well, the thing is when you do what we do." I hired you because of what you do, knowing I'm going to disagree with about 10% of it. Maybe 20% of it. Maybe I would do it differently.

And if you come and ask me, or if we get into a discussion, yes, but I'm not going to pound on that every day on you going. You're not doing exactly what I want, because I understand I'm hiring individuals. I'm hiring you for your personality.

Your personality is not my personality.

And so I always aired on the side of giving any radio personality

than raining them in.

“I made sure I hired the right people to begin with though,”

because if you hired the wrong people, that can come back and bite you. But I did have a Scott Pellie moment myself once. And I've talked about this that in all of my years, I only had one boss, who... And it wasn't my immediate boss.

It was the boss above my boss. Who would tell me, doesn't like my opinion, doesn't like what I'm talking about. Wanted me to be much more of a in your face kind of personality, didn't want me to be me.

This person when I was hired was not in that position. Got it later on. Well, let's put it this way.

This guy never gave up every single day,

sending my boss in to tell me I was doing the show wrong. And finally, I had it. I had had it. And I walked into his office. And I just...

Not what the F.D. you want from me. He said, "What?" And he actually said, "I want you to be like this guy who used to work in that same radio market." And I said, "Good, well then,

F. and Hiram because he just got fired again."

“And I just said, "I'm doing what I was hired to do.”

You came in afterwards. I am who I am." I don't think I said that. But I said it loud. The whole building heard it.

Yeah. And I turned around and I walked out. And I said, "If you don't like what I'm doing, then blanking fire me." Yeah.

I mean, the curse words were flying. The only time I've ever done it. Now, the point I'm trying to make is you and I have worked together now for 21 years. We have had...

Not with this management. But we've had disagreements with management in the past. We've been respectful, but we have been, you know, no, what you're doing is wrong. I've ended meetings.

Yeah. Yeah. And, but...

But we've always tried to work with any

management out there, understanding the business, as we do. I would not, by the way,

“it wasn't a direct attack as it was with payla.”

No, it was always, it was always payla. It was not the soccer guy. It was all payla. It was all these issue related. It was about...

It was about something. Nothing was... nothing was ever personal. No, no, no. In fact, it was... It was about the purpose of the...

The times spent and how much time it was taking away from producing the show. And that we need to spend more time on doing that and not doing non-sensical things. And so I ended the meeting.

And nothing was said beyond that. In fact, beyond that, we didn't have those meetings. Yeah, that's right. That's the other thing. We have very few...

Our management has a great deal of trust in us. And we really, really appreciate it. Yeah, it wasn't a gauntlet thing. And I have respect for everybody. And that could have...

It was there, right, to say, "Well, we don't like that and you're gone." And the point is...

We've never been hard personalities for management

to deal with. Ever. No. We've just never... We've never been that way at all.

Yeah. So when I did that to this particular... Not my immediate boss, but the boss above him... That was a rare thing. Everybody was blown away.

Nobody could believe that it was me. Right. And I'm just... You know, you ever get that person that will... You know, when you were a kid that came up to you and just put the finger in your chest and do that.

Over and over again, and then finally you lose it. Mmm. That's what happened to me. And I guess the only other time I lose it like that was when I couldn't control my temper.

When I had the rage of a serial killer directed at myself because I couldn't hit that ball with a stick on the golf course and put it in that little hole. Yeah. Exactly.

Right. And I was... Uh... But... I won.

Mmm. The golf or... I won. No. No.

I won that argument. Mmm. And I won that argument. I don't know how it went down. I'm guessing that my immediate boss heard it

because everybody did and went to management above his boss. Right. And I remember being in there...

Whole weekend comes by. Come back in a Monday. Right. Yeah.

I remember sitting there in front of my computer.

There's a hand in my shoulder. Go everything alright. I look up. It's the president of the company who flew in. There's a company that owned, you know, probably 50 radio stations

and actually TV stations. Mmm.

“Still own some TV stations today, I believe.”

Yeah. And put just out of my shoulder and said everything alright. I said, yeah. And he goes, well, it will be alright. And then after my show, I was called in.

Mmm. And it was him. The... the company's radio consultant who flew in from Houston. And my boss. And they said the guy who, you know, was telling me what he's no longer a part of the show anymore.

You do not report to him at all. You report to your immediate boss. As I was doing to begin with. Right. They took him out of it.

Yeah. Yeah. And so, but I think what they realized is I had a legit... I had totally legit points. That was it. There was no.

I mean, there was nothing derogatory said about me. Nobody said you shouldn't have used that language. You shouldn't have done that. Yeah. Apparently my frustration and they agreed with it was communicated to the, you know, president

of the entire company. Well, you know, and I had a debate on the air with a long term sponsor. It was the CFO of a long term sponsor, a very long term. And they spent a lot of money with us. But as they were coming in, I talked with management and said I'm going to debate them

on these points that had to do with trucking regulation. And I had that debate. Very respectful. I have a great respect still today for that person that was on the air with us. And still have a, again, I just disagreed with their position.

And I don't like pushing for more regulation. And we'll just leave it at that. Well, they, not long after that, they canceled.

And management never came back to me.

Because I told them I said, look, it's okay. I don't mind them coming in. But there's no way around the fact that we have to serve our audience. And there is an issue here. And I have an issue with that issue.

And we're going to have a friendly debate. And there was no pre-interview. I didn't tell them what I was, the points I was going to make. And they were okay with that. In fact, the, the company's lawyers, their company's lawyers flew in with him.

And they weren't in studio. But it was very nice respect, the respectful debate. And that's just the way it was. And I respected management. It's their real estate.

They on the station and all the stations were on.

“So that's why I wanted to give them a heads up.”

I just wasn't going to come at the guy without having that conversation first.

It happened. The cancellation happened. They never came back. But I was not going to change my position on it. Yeah.

I wasn't going to change who I am. And it wasn't going to change my conviction on a position. Because that doesn't serve anyone. But with Kelly, I mean, makes a great point. You didn't even hear what they had to say it.

You just said automatically. Yeah, right. No, right. And we know why. And we know why.

And we know why. And made disparaging comments about management. And we know why because you believe that you would not be allowed to be a political activist. Exactly. We are right.

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Now, one footnote to the story that I told when I had my Scott Pellie moment today, a manager that was not my immediate boss, but a

above that. And I want is I knew that I had to get out of there. Yeah. I knew that somebody in that high position, even though management upper management and the top management took my place. Yeah.

You cannot continue working in a place where you have done that to the big boss. Yeah. So, nine months later, I was gone, and I started interviewing immediately and was doing interviews. And then if that hadn't happened, I wouldn't have ended up here. We've been blessed here for nearly over 21 years, but our 21 years together and right now, such a great situation.

And it's a joy. We've got pros on the production team. We've got management that lets us do what we do and respect us and we respect them. And it's just, it's just great. We're really blessed to be in the situation we are.

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Yes. All right. So, you know, just very quickly with the Scott Pellie thing. And we've said it from the very beginning. When Barry Weiss took over CBS news.

We don't know if she's going to succeed. We don't know if there's a market for that to succeed. One thing I saw yesterday, which was set in a different way. But it's what we've said from begin with. They said the one mistake that CBS and Barry Weiss are making is that this isn't a startup.

Right. And it's what we've said already. The problem that she's going to have is it's been a brand for decades. Leaning left. Yeah.

It's been political activists. Have they done some good reporting? Yes.

“Have they done a ton of political activism to the left?”

Absolutely. Yes. Was there bias left? Did they have a lack? And, you know, the whole Pellie thing the other day.

When when this first happened.

The problem I had with Pellie that would be. I think equal and a part of why I saw his bias. Was the lack of real curiosity when I, as a viewer is watching that saying, why didn't get away with that? Ask that question.

Ask that question. Ask this question. Why aren't you asking this? Right. But, that came to realize, well, that's, that's the bias.

It's bias by omission. It's bias by not having the same curiosity. When there's a lack of evidence being presented. And the Andrew McCabe. Interview, you know, that we, that we had played.

Was a perfect example of that. I was a little lack of curiosity because it was all about the Russian hoax. Right.

“I think Pertium made a great point though.”

And I know it because I was interviewed by nightline once.

I never talked to Ted Koppel.

I mean, they did a two and a half hour interview with me. If you were on a talk to Ted Koppel, we can arrange there. It was all producers. They did all the interviewing and everything else. And he makes a great point.

It's, it's producer driven. It's driven from behind, you know, the, the scenes. Which, again, is one of the reasons you and I've never wanted to do TV. Yeah, Dan, where other people did an hour long interview with me and used zero seconds. I, they did two and a half hours with me and used four seconds and took me out of context.

And I said, never again, never, never, never do, I don't, it'll make you famous. I could care less. They only used four words. I hate all people. Yeah.

That didn't really edit to though. I can't remember what he said. I hate my listeners. I think is what you said. Yes.

I hate my management.

“I think that's exactly what they cut it up to sound like.”

Everybody and that's together.

Everybody go to hell. Yeah. Four. Right. Especially women.

Right. I'll get that in there.

I've never even said this.

Especially women. Right. Sexism gets some sexism in there. How are they? Who knows what they could do.

“And, and, but that's a great, but these people become famous because of the work”

that's done behind the scenes. Right. And, you know, so much of it's done. But I've always looked at it. And if you don't see the bias to see the, it's very easy to spot the lack of curiosity.

Right.

And to me, any reporter that I have.

Now, again, I've been doing this for such a long time that I can pick out you and I can sit there and we're screaming at the TV 10 seconds and going, no. Ask this question. Right. No.

You should have asked that question. Right. No. You should have done this. And your follow-up should have been this.

Right. Because our goal, my goal is not to win my political point. My goal is to get to the truth. I can't have a political point. If I don't know what the hell's going on.

Yeah. If you're going to be in generalities, you're not going to get anywhere.

It's one of the problems I always had with guests.

And you too. Yeah. Is that they didn't want to answer your question. And they wanted to evade it. And you're evading my question.

I said 10 minutes. And then the morning show friends of mine. You know, because they said, yeah, we're going to have on the White House spokesperson. Why? Why?

I mean, I know the answer.

“But I'm like, what are you going to get out of that person?”

You're never going to. It's. You and I can it could have guests. Each of them would come on once. Well, that's already happened.

You know, that's that's a long way to go. Yeah. You know, and even with a sponsor. Yeah. You know, as I mentioned it, and again, it's.

It's especially when there is. I have great respect for anybody who's willing to appear. If you're going to do that, then great. And it'll be a respectful debate. and until it goes otherwise based on,

- Well, I'm not gonna do Congress and I'm not gonna do the CNN. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, (mimics talking) - Right, exactly. I'm just not, that's, to me, and guess it won't answer the question, then get upset when you call them on it, don't waste my time.

- Yeah, but it's, you know, the perfect example of that was the whole gain of function debate between, oh, the back of the whole thing was frustrating. Brand, Paul and, and Fauci, you know, and it was, it was a missed opportunity over and over again and it should have been ran pulsing, okay, I don't care what you call it gain of function or not, it doesn't matter what it's called, let's, it doesn't matter what you call it, what I call it.

“- Forget about the label. - Did you enhance, was there any enhancement, was government money used?”

You asked government money used, taxpayer money used to enhance this virus to make it more dangerous to humans, right, yes or no, right, yes or no, forget about the label of gain of function, we were screaming at rat, we played that on the air going, what are you doing, rampal, just forget about the, forget about the label of it, the title of it, talk about the specifics, did you do this? - Because it was, he was, and the reason is is, it's like, you know, because I think there was so much from that that did bring stuff to the surface, from Rand Paul going after Fauci, so I consider it overall a win, but it's, you know, it's like, oh, you were one inch from the goal line, you know what I mean?

It was right, it was an opportunity to get him right there on record, and it was a missed opportunity. And, and those are the things, you know, that's the thing, that's why you and I don't do TV interviews or appearances, even on friendly television shows we've been asked before, and usually it's schedule driven, it's kind of hard when, when in my case you're not sleeping all day. But no, it's hard because they're, you know, they're schedules much different than ours, but, but beyond that you have even even with friendly, you know, for, we're Fox and it's our news back, so we got friends at both places and, you know, we love a blend back and, and his people and, and all that over the years we've had friends all over television.

But, you get, you get a tiny moment, and you and I are used to having hours every night, where we can sit down and explain why we believe what we believe.

Well, for me, and, and I did when I, when I was in Rockford and Chicago, I did some panel discussions and it was pretty good because the host was really, really, really, really.

“Just top of the line. Yeah. And, but, and I really enjoyed that that was early in my career. Yeah. And I really, really, really, really enjoyed that. Yeah.”

But, it's become so incredibly predictable that I don't even want to waste my time anymore with the question that's the wrong premise. Exactly. Yeah, because I would be arguing that question that they'd be. Exactly. That's a wrong question. Yes, exactly. Here's here's the question to ask not this one. Well, and it's and it's that is brit human points out. What's going on behind the scenes and television is really what's driving it. And that's why you and I can't rewrite what the questions are right on the fly. We can't do that. We can't have that conversation because because it's already the producer and everybody and the host of already decide.

This, this, this is going to be the question. Well, if it begins on the wrong premise, as I've said for years, everything that follows, if they start something on a premise, it may sound logical in terms of what they're saying after that, but it stills on the false premise.

And if you don't start with the right question, then there's no point in moving on. Well, you know what the perfect example of that was.

And and we go, it goes back a couple of years was done lemon on CNN with the Malaysian flight. I mean, that was a perfect example of that as, as Brett Hume talked about it being producer driven. Yeah. So they're, they're all in there in the meeting beforehand. And you know it because you got graphics. They had graphics and everything else. So this was, this was, they sat in the meeting and talked about it. And I don't know who came up with it. They said some of our listeners are asking whether the Malaysia flight, you know, could have been sucked into a black hole.

Yeah, they're all these crazy theories even the black hole. And so we, we'd like to ask all the and Mary Shiva was there. Remember, you know, probably one of the worlds. The best experts on, yeah, playing crashes top of the game, you know, and she's just, you know, the look on her face. And she was so nice. She just, well, you know, even if there was a tiny black hole, it would suck in the entire solar system.

“Yeah, it's fine or whatever, but the, you know, but the fact is there running the graph and that was producer driven.”

And I can't imagine being in a, could you imagine you and I being in a meeting, all right, some listeners are asking, it's going to go be a black hole. Let's take that got, you know, Gary Eric one the air and talk about an SD's incredible scientific experts, whether it could be a black hole. You and I go, are you out of your freaking mind. All right, I'm going to look at complete ass. Exactly. Well, the only the first question would be what are the possibilities. Can you list the logical possibilities of this flight of where it could be based on what we know in the investigation.

Because these theories are kind of crazy out there and they're in in today's world, it gets that way when you get to that part of the internet. Yeah, you know, so so laying it out for us, let's let's use your investigative mind, which we have great respect for.

“Can you list the possible to kiss, but that much. I think it's, I think it's usually it works out for you.”

I would. Hey, I made you coffee. Oh, you're right. I'm sorry. You're right. No, it's a very few. You win. It's a very simple question. Yeah. Can you list the possibility. Right. Now, you know, certainly the vast ocean has to be at the top of the list somewhere in the ocean. So, aside, one of the, yeah, one of one of the other theories is that the plane landed somewhere. But can you based on the, your investigative mind, what would those possibilities be? What would you be looking for? Right. It's very simple.

And, but then, you know, it demonstrates that there's no critical thinking that is applied because as you mentioned, we always go back to the meeting thing.

But in television, they have a lot of meetings. Yeah. They said, I mean, and said, okay, let's do the, let's do the black hole thing building the graphics. Right. Well, the, and the other thing, the other example would be Tucker Carlson now saying, I never spoke and really said what I wanted to one Fox news because it was all driven by the producers and we're like, You probably shouldn't be saying that because people are saying, oh, so these weren't even your opinions that you took for such a long time.

Well, that wasn't you. You were just a puppet of Fox and you got paid for it and you stayed there for such a long time until they fired you.

Wow. We are right. I radio. We'll be right back with more red eye radio with every currently and Gary McNamara.

“I think it was the former reporter Terry Moran that was talking about yesterday's saying corporate censorship, corporate censorship.”

And I'm thinking to myself, we were saying the same thing for X. It's like, it's like corporate censorship, but that wasn't, it wasn't with, with Twitter wasn't the corporate censorship. That got us, it was the cooperation with intelligence agencies and the FBI for the FBI agents and how they were tied.

“Right. You know, so much to the anti, you know, anti Trump.”

Deep state, whatever you want to call it at that time. Yep. That was the problem. Right. But if you wish to censor and we know that if you some kind of language today, they, they will do it. But as for opinions, no, they don't censor anything. No. No. No. And they, they did back then as we know. Right. We know it. There was an effort. There was an effort to shut people up.

No, I don't think it was on every platform. It didn't matter. Right.

And the Hunter Biden laptop, we've never seen anything like that where you kept, it wasn't just a person.

It was one of the major newspapers in the United States that they said, "Sorry, you can't get on."

“And Facebook, remember it was Zuckerberg went on, and, and that was his version of the Twitter files,”

basically saying they came to us and, you know, and it was like, "Oh, so it was going on everywhere."

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