06-08-26 Part Two - Scott Pelley's Gaslighting Exit

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politics to social issues and views of the day, whether you're up late or you're just starting your day. Welcome to the show from the Relief Factor Studios. This is Red Eye Radio. And he is Eric Hurley and I'm Gary McNamara. Welcome and good morning talking about Scott Pellie and soon the New York Times and just a moment here, just some media topics, but reading this from Beckett Adams column.

What this long-running outrage reveals, what with its boilerplate rhetoric about oligarchies,

and its vague, specific, free allegation of wrongdoing by Barry Weiss, and the 60 minutes

“executive producer Nick Bilton. That's a great point. What are the accusations against them?”

Right, is that a lot of the people in the news business think of their profession as something akin to a public university. The subside down view goes a long way towards explaining how the credibility gap, the single greatest threat facing journalism today, has gotten so wide, sloppy and one-sided reporting helped a crater trust. Yes, but the industry's move towards being totally insular, detached, single-minded, single-minded listeners, and contemptible self-regard

makes the problem intractable. Weiss is actually, is obviously trying to run CBS as a business with a broad appeal and plump profit margins. This means updating, adjusting, and modernizing

“an organization whose workplace culture is still proudly stuck in the 60s, and where attempts”

to change or resisted within vocations of an anchor whose final newscast was a year the John Hinkley shot President Reagan. Running a successful newsroom today also means accounting for the credibility crisis, which makes sense given that it is the most pressing issue. No one trusts us. This is a problem without trust. There's no audience, without an audience. There is no point. Wow. Oh, they'll say their opposition is motivated by the belief

that the free press is too sacred to have to address matters as pedestrian as market forces and audience disapproval. But the resistance is rarely any deeper than professional self-preservation, fighting for perks and good salaries, and for the freedom to indulge their partisan preferences in subtle and not so subtle ways. We see this in the bellies and the NPRs of the world and their supporters in the media, those who would like to enjoy all the benefits and prestige

of majorly journalism with none of the market pressures or business concerns, and certainly none of the personal moderation required by such things. They often condemn efforts to impose accountability, adjust editorial positions, account for opposing perspectives held by the other

50% of the country, or address ideological blind spots as attacks on the first amendment

and editorial independence. They've become so accustomed to a version of the news industry that operates like a public university, where revenues are unconnected to performance or a captive audience is a given where viewpoint conformity is ruthlessly enforced, where loyalty is rewarded with lifetime employment, and where criticism is worthy of attention only if it comes from within the institution, and even the suggestion of operating under a

for-profit business model has them breaking out in hives and leaking to competing news rooms. Wow. The irony is that the public university style approach to journalism is how CBS arrived at its current predicament, like many legacy newsrooms, CBS has taken its audience for granted, viewing them not as just as an afterthought, but as something of a new sense.

“Unfortunately, for the legacy league, this attitude is no great secret audiences are keenly”

aware of the press' dismissiveness, especially when it comes to legitimate concerns and criticisms, worsening the already serious credibility crisis, and that's the whole point.

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"Well, what's the metric? We're in the polls. Where's the research? We don't believe that." "What are you talking about? What kind of a bubble are you in?" "Right." You're saying, "Now, if you don't believe your bias, it's one thing. What your stating is, you don't believe that the public believes your bias." "Right." Well, then you're fired. If you don't know that about your own profession,

you're fired." Well, he's fired anyway.

“Yeah, exactly. If you say you don't know that, I believe there's a good chance.”

He definitely knows it. He just wants to ignore it. Well, this is the problem that they have. Look, when it comes to bias, you and I, remember, we don't, you know, get the accusation much anymore, the accusation much anymore. But it's actually said to us as a compliment when people have told us before, they said, "Well, we like listening to you guys because you have no bias.

You cover both sides." And we're like, "No, no, no, no, no, no." We've actually said, "No, we're biased." "Well, I'm not going to lie about what we do. Why would I lie about what we do?" "No, no, I'm proud of what we do." "Right." The one thing that we, the one thing we won't do, though,

we're not going to look, we're not afraid to say, "I don't know. If we don't have all the information, I got no problems saying I don't know." "I'm not going to sit there and go, "All right, what are you predicts going to happen in this without a, with a total lack of information?" I don't know. It's like the stupid sportscasters.

“I think the score is going to be, "All right, what's your prediction?"”

2119. What do you mean? It's not going to be 2019. It's going to be 2018. What the hell are you thinking about?" And then they all screaming yell about who's got the right prediction and it's a completely useless conversation. That's why they play the game.

And so, but when you, I know what I am. I know what I do. I'm under no delusion. And I like what I do. I don't need to be under delusion because I don't have to defend what I do. And what I do is, I give my opinion, and you give your opinion, on the issues. Now, the one thing we have promised,

we're not going to give our opinion on a issue that's false. If the issue isn't true, I'm not going to bother with it. And we'll tell you, we have this issue's false. And so that's it. And so, in fact, I've said we're the ones that have actually people said, "You guys aren't biased." So, of course we are.

Why lie to your audience? And that's the problem. He doesn't even realize that he's been approaching it as we are unbiased people and giving you the news and bringing you both sides of an issue. And he's not doing that. And it's obvious he's not doing that.

“That's why you were reading some of the polls of Pew Research.”

77% one in one poll. Yeah, that was about 24. Yeah, that was about 24. And it was a poll that was taken after the 24 election. And it was the survey found again, Pew Research.

And it was released at the beginning of December. Found that 77% of surveyed Americans believe media organizations are biased. Now, I wanted to get into the poll and break and break down the analyze. I'm sorry, analyze the metrics. But we already know this.

And even most in this poll, even most Democrats believe the media is biased. Now, they're going to tell you, many Democrats may tell you, break and file. Those who are poll respondents, that it's biased to the right, because they're going to point to Fox News, because Fox News on cable news dominates. But the rest of the media combined, well, these days gets close to what?

Fox News has, but they, it's always been this liberal bias.

And I would love to see the breakdown of it, you know, of any given poll.

And again, this gets back to his answer.

His answer should have been, well, I'm aware of polls that were Americans believe at the media is biased. But what I would say to them is we go into, to bring you the entire story every time. As long as it doesn't include the truth, which, by the way, he can't make that, now, you know, 60 minutes, the Kamala interview.

You can't make the case. Now, he didn't do that interview.

“But the Kamala interview, where they had to remember, they put out a preview of it”

over the weekend before it aired. And then what actually aired was very different. They went in and fixed her word salad answer. And you can't say that you're not by. You wanted to make her look smarter.

We, you know, as I said, we, we, we proved it again when we, when it took us, we probably spent like 90 minutes on it last week. Yeah, on on his, his interview with Andrew McCabe on Russia collusion. Yeah. Right.

And all this going, he didn't question it all. There was no, there was a complete, the bias there was a complete lack of curiosity that I would have been brought up to him if I would have been his editor or boss, or I would have brought it up with the producers. Because you and I at that time, and that was going on, all the time,

we never saw the evidence.

Right. We heard the allegation.

“We never saw the evidence to be where this come from.”

Where to go. Anybody can make it up, where to come from. Well, let's, we start with the, let's start with the warrant. You know, let's start with the Pfizer warrant. Let's start with so many things.

Let's start with everything that was going on. You know, during that entire era where McCabe was. And, and either this, when you look at the stories, it's got belly got wrong. 100% wrong.

He's never had to explain or say, maybe I should have questioned them harder. Right. Maybe maybe I should have gone for, you know, more evidence. We knew it. We knew it all the time.

We said, if you listen to the show for any length of time,

we said, and by the way, we've always done that.

If you've been a long time listener, even a short time listener, the show will always say we're putting on our investigative hat, whether it comes from the right or left and say, what's the evidence? We don't get involved in the rhetoric or the politics of it.

At that moment when we're analyzing it, it's like, okay, where's the evidence? This is the allegation. Where's the evidence to prove it? Yeah.

And so we've always played that way on both sides. Because the last thing I ever want to do is giving my opinion on something that isn't true. Yeah. What a waste of time that is.

I don't want to waste time. I'm not interested in being a political activist except for the fact if I can convince people by arguing the facts of something why we're right. Yeah.

And the opposition might be wrong on it. Yep. And then some of the things like voter ID, we really don't have to talk about the people that we disagree with on it because everybody agrees.

Right. On voter ID. All right. Well, the vast majority. Yeah.

And it's only the communist and Nazis don't. Yeah. Right. It's the entire approach if you think about the issues. People, there are so many, none of these issues, by the way, are hard to understand.

“I think one of the biggest rabbit hole issues or set of events”

really was the Russian hoax. I mean, and it was a very clinton-esque that the reason is because it was designed by Hillary Clinton. She knew what the hell she was doing at that point. And in terms of formulating that set of events,

think about that as a secretary of state. Right. Think about a secretary of state. What you are involved in and the knowledge you have in propaganda. You know, I mean, that's a given in the American political landscape anyway.

Prop again as part of it. But I mean, foreign propaganda when you're building an America does it. And the US doesn't. And other countries do it here. My gosh, we're told the Russians spent in upwards of 110,000 dollars in advertising on Facebook.

That's where Joe makes me laugh. And, but, but, but countries spend a lot of time and effort in formulating propaganda.

This is the 2016 election cycle. And a former first lady of two term first lady. She was elected twice. And the whole thing is about having those. I mean, very not only sophisticated set of skills, but the resources to make that happen.

If you build that rabbit hole, nobody's going to follow it. The average person, if you sit them down and just walk them through the bullet points of Russian collusion. They'll look at you and say, there's no way it ever happened, and their eyes glaze over you. And I have both experienced that. I got in a month and a half ago with that couple that I met, there was going to be a case.

They had no idea what I was talking about. And this is the truth, and it's not. It's not even, you know, because if I'm going to interview Andrew McCabe. Man, I'm going in deep.

I've got a million questions.

“I think that would be a four part series.”

And I mean, all four hours of sixty minutes. And I was doing it. And even back then, the questions were even harder back then. Because the allegations were so great. Right.

If the allegations are so great, where people are talking about the 25th Amendment and the Trump should be, you ought to have some evidence to back it up instead of just allegations. Exactly. Then would it all seem metrics. Right.

Some metrics, exactly. And so that's the thing with Scott Pellie. Yeah. You know, he's pretending that he's stupid. Yeah.

He's pretending that.

Oh, I'm living in this bubble.

And everybody's in this bubble that, you know, we have no idea.

“We didn't know that people thought that the media was biased.”

Right. We had no idea. Where did this come from? Where are the metrics? Where are the polls?

Right. And it's like, that's when I saw that I went, my God, he's gaslighting. He really is. It's the same thing as saying Joe Biden is fine. Yeah.

No, it is. You know, this is the best. This is the best Joe Biden you're ever going to get. That's right.

From, from a morning doofus.

Yeah. You know, and that's the joke that he was still passionate about. It's like you're completely and totally 100% gaslighting. Everybody knows your line. You know your line.

The public knows your line. And you continue to lie.

“You think that Scott Pellie really doesn't know.”

That there are people to believe that 60 minutes is biased. Right. Now, if he disagrees with it, fine. I don't agree with it. Right.

But he's trying to sell you. I would question the polls and I might perspective. I don't see that. Right. That by the way, I would.

I would buy that. I wouldn't. No, because of his arrogance. No, I know. I'm not that it doesn't exist.

He puts his blinders on and doesn't see it. There's a difference. We are right. Radio. Brought to you by FPPF fuel power max.

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I guess the Tony's were last night. All right, I don't think I've ever watched one minute of the Tony's but I was just reading here from Richard Grinnell. The New York Times reported late last summer that Broadway was dying. Ticket sales were in the tank and the general public wasn't supporting the shows. It's true.

For Broadway shows to succeed, they must appeal to everyone including the millions of tours from America visiting New York.

Tonight, pink, who was the host. She's never been in a Broadway show.

Open with Broadway is brave, but it isn't brave. It is typical in intolerant towards people who believe differently than they do. Pink also said, we go to Broadway to find different perspectives on life. But that's not true either because they only celebrate one perspective. The far left woke one and mocked traditional common sense beliefs.

If CBS and the Tony awards really wanted to celebrate differences, then they wouldn't just have Megan the Stallion and Dylan Mulvaney in the opening number.

“Why only have famous lefties and no famous conservatives?”

This is one of the reasons why Broadway is dying. It regularly marks conservatives while claiming diversity. Broadway is for lefties sadly. It needs to be for everyone. People want to be entertained not mocked.

The hypocrisy is real and so is the financial turmoil. Yeah. You know, it's really interesting because not only that, but I'm just more more. I'm just seen just all over the weekend. I forgot who somebody was a promoter talking about one rock artist who plays like three,

three, four thousand. See the reeness? Yeah. Right. Three hundred.

Basically is the average ticket sales for the reeness.

“In places that hold three or four thousand.”

Three hundred. Yeah. Is it all inflation? Is it the fact that people just, you know, all I know is this. Unless I really really like a band and I would rather see a band in a club.

There are some exceptions. But for me, it's almost exclusively even bands that were well known. I'd rather go to a small theater. The sounds better. The experience is better.

Yeah. I'm going to sit in front of my. Okay. I don't have a 65 inch TV. I know size matters.

It's only 55. But it's close enough in the room where and the son of sound system. It's as good as any concert. I'm never going to see.

I never have to leave the house.

And you can pause it if you need to. Yes. And you don't have to listen to the guy next to you trying to sing along with the artist. Oh, yeah. Or badly.

Or standing up. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I go to live concerts so that I can watch. The concert on the guy's phone in front of me.

I mean, you know, I just, the live, that's the thing. You know what it is? It really is this. Actors will tell you. Movie actors will tell you. Well, the movie theater experience is where people come together in one room to enjoy.

We, as a group come together and I don't know why I'm doing William Schatter. But. [laughter] Where they, anybody else said it, but actors have said the experiences. Part of the experience is that you're in the room with saying people.

I've never thought that. The experience would be what Tom Cruise has said. We, or Spielberg or someone, you know, a number of them have said. No, no. We, we built it.

We've made this movie. Spent home of this money and we need it back.

“To put it on this big screen for the big presentation, right?”

Okay, that I see. Now, it is all perspective.

I don't know, however big the average movie screen is in a theater. That's one thing.

“And I've got a 65 inch, you know, in my, in my,”

we're actually thinking about going a little bit bigger in my living room. I don't ever watch TV out there. My wife has kind of her respite. I'm usually watching videos that are something that has to do with the show. You know, and, and, and, and stuff like that, or YouTube.

And I'm watching it on a different TV in a different room. Either the officer or the, or the bedroom.

But my wife watches, I, I almost never watch anything in the living room.

But they will watch the family will watch the other people that live with me. We'll watch it on that TV. And so the perspective is, I mean, being that close to a large TV. You get the same kind of perspective. But this idea of being in the same room.

“And as a group enjoying the same thing is fading for, I think, post COVID.”

I think it started to fade because, you know, we don't want to be around other people. I think, uh, young people is special in it. Don't socialize the same way they use to it. And a comedy or fiction, I don't know what, where I really saw the only, what the, but popped into my mind immediately is when you're related to the audience in their with you,

was saving private Ryan and the passion of the Christ. Yeah. And with those interesting, though, for those with the two movies where being with, I don't think, I don't know if I could have watched those, two movies alone the first time.

I mean, I, I, I went to a theater deliberately alone, but I was in a theater with other people. But I didn't go with someone else that I knew to watch the passion of the Christ, because I wanted it to relate to me one-on-one. And that's, that's spiritually that is, that's kind of my relationship with God and with Christ.

“And, and it was, I think the only way I could have watched that movie for the first time.”

I've watched it a few times since, but it's not, you know, the saving private Ryan, you know, had that moving opening and even in the end. It was just, it was, you know, I mean, you think about it.

It was so realistic for those of us who have never been to war, but also no history.

It, it, it's just moving beyond war. The end, the end scene. Yeah. You know, in saving private Ryan, you could hear people crying. Oh, I, that's never happened.

Yeah. Because that didn't even happen in, in a, in a passion of the Christ. Right. Right. Same in private Ryan, people were crying, you could hear the sniffles, you hear people crying. That was, that was one other movie.

Pretty mind-boggling to see in a movie theater. One other movie, I could think of, uh, where that happened, where the audience, the entire audience was crying at the end. Bio-dom with polyshore and steam. Realizing those people, those people realizing, of course, they weren't going to get their money back. Good.

All right. Finally. One more thing. We got to get in here. Yeah.

From the hill.com. And ex-girlfriend of Maine, Senate candidate Graham Plattener is expressing her frustration with the New York Times over the way it portrayed her and the other's experience dating the Democrat. Lindsey Fivefield, the, uh, whom the Times quoted as part of a wide ranging story, detailing allegations of unsettling behavior. In Plattener's dating life, said she feels betrayed by the way the paper handled the information. She gave them about her experience with the Senate hopeful.

I bucked all advice from my friends and resisted my conservative bias and decided to fully trust the Times journalist.

Uh, if I failed wrote in a, in a string, I'll read it first.

Yeah, of social media posts as they left my home, they asked that I not talked to any other outlets. And I insisted that in repeatedly over the following weeks that I would keep my word and only share this story with them. The other, uh, women interviewed for the story, headline, several women who dated, uh, Graham Plattener recall unsettling behavior, describing Plattener as a, one and caring partner. After the piece was published Thursday, Fivefield said she asked Times journalist, wait.

Where are the stories from the other women? Where are their accusations of sexual assault? Why am I the focus? Why are there 11 paragraphs dedicated to detailing my work history?

The editor said it was too much to explain and continued the Times also failed to include.

“Any mention that I did confide in multiple friends through the years that Graham had been abusive long before he was running for office.”

Those friends confirm they told the Times the same thing. It did not appear. The Times is a latest in a string of negative headlines for Plattener who in recent days, uh, has faced the allegations. We all know that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It don't quote. It dawned on me that this was really a set up all along the journalist I trusted who convinced me to share a story.

I never wanted to tell methodically delayed and twisted this into a gift to the Plattener campaign.

Fivefield said violating the trust of his victims, shattering the trust I placed with them with the most vulnerable story of my, uh, uh, life in a statement to the Hillless folks person said we publish accounts provided by several women. The same crap, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

Uh, I would have told you because I learned, and I learned young. I learned when I was a young talk show host. Um, when I was with, uh, was it, uh, oh, she's the, uh, my and black hair. The one that I was on. Hmm. Oh, with the red head with Ted Cobble.

Nightline nightline. It was on nightline. Yeah. They interviewed me for two and a half hours use four seconds and took it out of context. Yeah. And it was a big story locally.

“And, and I was the only one taking the reasonable side and they didn't want, they didn't want me in there.”

And they twisted what I said. There's people interviewed me for 45 minutes and use zero seconds because I didn't give them any room. They were, they didn't even present me with the angle and, you know, we were actually at a trucking industry event. And it turned out as soon as the questioning started, I realized what the angle was. But I thought to myself, you know, they're talking to the wrong person.

If they want the angle, they need to be talking to the people driving the trucks that are out there on the road. And, you know, based on the angle that they had. But I wasn't about to throw them, you know, they wanted somebody to give them the sound bite. And I wasn't going to do that. Well, for me, it was where you had the newspaper, this was in Buffalo, New York.

And it was a, it was a case of a mall, a very famous mall that's there. And they were, you know, buses could come and pull right up to the front door. But the bus that came in from from downtown, which would have been minorities coming in. They had across a highway and a girl was killed by buy it. And everybody was claiming it was racism.

And then it expanded that Buffalo is the most racist place ever. And I said, guys, you're getting to be a ridiculous, one person made this decision that ran that mall, one person. And then you're extrapolating out that this shows the racist wasn't even from Buffalo. And you're trying to make the case that Buffalo is the most racist city you could possibly imagine. That's just false.

It's not true. Don't do that. Right. We don't know the motivation of this guy. We don't know what it is yet.

And everybody's jumping to the conclusion. And the nightline is here doing this all and nobody knows. You know, if anybody talked to this guy and find out why this guy did this. What was the point behind it? Right.

Right. I think it was a very reasonable position. Right. And I can't remember how they took like four seconds out of context. But completely out of context.

The opposite of what I was, you know, that was what I was saying. Right. And it was like sound by. And they wanted this. And I realized at that point unless it's live.

I won't do anything.

I'll never, I would never do a story.

I didn't care how big it was. I didn't care. And I've had offers on big shows to do. I don't even think about it, not going to do it. No.

“The only thing I have is, you know, my name and my word.”

Yeah. And when, you know, and I'm not going to let somebody. I'm not going to let somebody who disagrees with me. Who's lying to me. Who's pretending they wish to do a fair story.

Take me out of context and lie about me. I just won't permit it. Nope. I don't care. Well, you could be a bigger superstar.

As the buddy Holly said in the buddy Holly movie, Gary Busy said, I'd rather shovel manure in love it. And that stuff doesn't make you a superstar. You're worked us.

I've never believed that.

I know. Garbage. You know, we're going to give you exposure. Nope. Your work makes you the superstar.

Are you saying to a superstar?

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Only you and if you others may understand this. Okay. All right. Yeah.

“This may be inside the beltway a little bit.”

But the Tony awards are dead.

You know how I know? No. I just went and Broadway is dead. I just went to the drugs report. There isn't one hand.

You were going. You know exactly. Not one headline. That one story.

Not one story on the Tony's.

“And for anybody who knows when Matt Dredge was running it.”

Every single time there was any type of movie awards, it would dominate. Yeah. Yeah. So either either the Tony's or the Tony's and Broadway or dead or Matt Dredge has nothing to do with the drug report anymore.

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