06-09-26 Part One - 60 Minutes Assassinated

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He is Eric Hurley and I'm Gary McNamara, I took a peek just before we went on the air just to see what was in the Babylon B. And nothing political. Just something that sort of relates to me. It shows a guy sitting there with his hairs.

Looks like he's dyed his hair a little bit, but his beard's going gray and everything else. Yeah. So he's basically looks like middle age or upper middle age. And he's an end of the headline beneath it.

Man is unsure if he's becoming more virtuous with age or just too tired to sin. But he's gone. Hey dude, do you want to go to the club? Oh, man, I just... I don't know.

I just got my shingles back stand today. I don't think I should. You know, I forgot who... It's a comedian who said it.

He said, man, I would never want to try to attempt to commit a successful murder,

which is mean, you know, you don't get caught. Yeah, right. You don't even make a pull and gun and shingles. Yeah. It's just so hard.

It's so much work. It's like, all right, let's go cut him off. Well, I was watching this documentary series on the five families. And so there's this one guy. They take down to the basement.

Of course, he says when I got down to the basement, I realized because they told me and he was, you know, the strong arm, you know, the family, I guess. And they said they told me we had a guy down there and we were going to take care of him. Well, they took him down there to take care of him.

So they shoot him in the back of the head and it bounces off his skull. And then he turns around and said, "Did you just shoot me in the head?" I mean, that was from a movie. The guy had, you know, obviously had a wound. It, it shipped his skull, but he lived.

And then he beat the living day-load day-lights out of both guys. In fact, the other guy had a knife. And he used the knife.

“I think he took care of the other two guys.”

So I'm thinking, that's out of a mob movie. And the whole time I'm watching it. And I think we've made this observation before. The moment you get made, you know, in the mob, your life is over.

You're looking over your shoulder every single second.

Not only would it be too hard. It's too much. Just getting a job would be so much easier. A real legitimate job would be so much easier. For us, yes.

I mean, if you're willing to put in that much effort. Think of what it takes. That's a lot of work, you know, crime. Yeah, you know, and I heard it doesn't pay. Well, especially when your boss expects you to produce each and every day.

And the consequences may be worse than what Scott Pellie got. Exactly. Close. Yeah. Well, wait a minute, though.

You never know. According to Scott Kelly, it was, you know, he felt like he said. It was like his family was being murdered. Well, you know, and it brings me to this that I was reading. It's just so funny that before we come on the air, I just start reading.

You know, I'm reading stuff all the time and it's just like the last story I read. Even, you know, 10 minutes before it's legal on the air. It's going to be the launch. Yeah, 10 minutes before you go on the air.

“It's like, hmm, okay, I think I'll go with this.”

And then all the sudden I start reading and go, no, I got to go with this. Yeah. Gerald Baker, who is a is the works for the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal. Okay.

All right. It's, it's just a couple of paragraphs. But this could be in the battle on B. It's so good. Yeah. But it's true.

Hmm. Well, America survived the murder of 60 minutes. Will the world? The brutal homicide of America's longest-running television news magazine was reported late last week. By its immaculately,

coifed and richly compensated frontman Scott Pele. For the crime of exposing this act of violence against journalism truth and freedom, Mr. Pele was shown the door after 37 years at the Tiffany network. These are dark days. If they can eliminate in plain sight and institution as central to the survival of the Republic,

as Mr. Pele and his carefully chewed spectacles, surely nobody is safe.

First, they came for the prening powdered pop and jays of the television news.

But I did not speak up because I'm not a pop and jay or pop and jaw, however you pronounce it. It's one of the other, which is, in case you know, it's a word that really isn't used a lot in our English language. But it, let me just get it here for you. The meaning of it is a vein conceited and overly talkative person who was excessively preoccupied with their appearance and speaks in a boastful manner.

So, first they came for the prening powdered pop and jays of the television news, but I did not speak up because I was not a pop and jay. Forgive the sarcasm. Perhaps Mr. Pele and his long career deserve more respect, but can we at least be proportionate

“and unlike much of what he and his colleagues have been for so long, objective for a moment?”

Well, you know, the thing is, again, this is where we talk about the left with no self-awareness at all. When I saw that, when I was watching that interview, and when my God, he's exactly, and if you've ever read,

and I keep going back to Bernard Goberg's, you know, first book bias.

And for those who don't know, Bernard Goberg worked for Dan Rather at CBS News for the longest time. Then remember, he went to HBO and did a bunch of different sports stuff for the longest time. And then he wrote the book, and he's not a conservative Republican. You know, he's not even a Republican. He's been a Democrat from what I know is whole life.

And their view, they view him as, you know, right wingbook. Everything that he said, these people, the mainstream media, that really comes out of New York and Washington. Everything that he said about them, you could look at that interview and say, "That's Scott Telly." Yeah, yeah.

“And that's what really, and I'm like, you know, it really is, it's like almost out of a movie.”

You know, when I thought about the movie, the insider, which is about, it's Jeffrey Wygan, thing about, you know, the big tobacco thing and all that. And Jeffrey Wygan was the insider, so Russell Crowe played him. And Al Pacino played the producer of 60 minutes. And then Christopher Plummer played Mike Wallace.

And Christopher Plummer could have easily had been playing Scott Telly. I mean, it was, in fact, I didn't, it was more Scott Telly because Christopher Plummer just comes off that way. He comes off more Scott Telly than he does, Mike Wallace. Now, and the movie came out. I wasn't thinking Scott Telly, but now I put it in perspective.

You go watch, it's a good movie. And if you go watch it, just watch Christopher Plummer. And it's the, you know, that's the whole, that's the whole, it's, it's something right out of a movie. And it's, it is performative. Who was it?

“It was not Brett Bear, but what's his name over at Fox News?”

John Roberts? No, no, that used to do Brett Bear's show. He sent my retired down. But he was talking about how, and all of he read him. Oh, okay.

And Brett humor was talking about how they get these presenters. But really, it's the producers that drive everything. Right. Yeah. Right.

And the presenters are always the ones that, you know, they, they come in.

They walk in.

But that's the face of the show.

And I always think of the, like,

They find NBC, right, and they, you know, they walk in. They do a bunch of wrap arounds. And then the reporters are doing, you know, sometimes on 60 minutes. It's the same. It's, I sat down with so and so.

But on like other magazine shows, they'll just have. What's his name over a deadline? Do the wrap arounds. And he's not doing the sit down interview. Somebody else is.

And they, the point is they build themselves up to believe. They own it. Our friends at the Chicago Republican Party. I'm probably listening right now. Ask me a question.

I didn't respond to it. I was going to respond to it on the air. The Chicago Republican Party at Chicago GOP is their ex handle and says, this right here is the best. And it was put together by newsbusters.

And it's this clip of Scott Pellie basically going after, you know,

Trump over the years over and over again. And they asked me, do you think Scott Pellie would find it beneath his name? And you, that's how you went into it. And at first I would say, yes, but then again, the reason he wouldn't consider an employment is because Scott Pellie

believed he owned the place. Yeah, it's got to tell you exactly. Had thought that it was 60 minutes was his show.

“And that's what you build by putting these presenters up there.”

And some of them, not all of them, nothing applies to all. But they have this and when they come off as this, I mean, I don't know that I've seen more arrogant. You really got it. I got to go back and watch it.

I watched a clip the other day. And Christopher Plummer playing Mike Wallace in the movie The Insider. It's closer to Scott Pellie. The arrogance that comes, you know, that comes across. And it's just that's who they think they are.

He, he might because they put in the letter fired for cause. Yeah. Which implies that the contract is void. Right. Now it's really interesting.

I look back. I'm going back to contracts that I have signed where you have a guaranteed number of years or whatever.

“And I think that in the pat, the only thing I remember is I couldn't commit a felony.”

Disparaging comments about the company and/or it's leaders. And that was mentioned in the letter from the producer to Scott Pellie. Disparaging comments. Okay. And I would be that that would be.

I don't know what's in Scott Pellie's contract, but that would be. And that has been in almost every contract I've signed. So yeah. That's. That's the.

And I don't. I think that's why they put it in the letter. That opens up a large road. Well, we have the greatest company in the world. I just don't know the hell you're talking about.

By the way, that was Gary that said that Eric is the one that said we have the greatest company in the world. Just to be clear. Oh, no. Am I on the defensive here? Because I didn't say anything bad.

Yeah, but you didn't say anything good. And I did. Well, no.

“I said it a long time ago and people, you know, like, you know, what is it like?”

I mean, management, one of the big companies.

I'm like, well, first off, you know, you made.

I mean, I think you might you might be able to argue a point that every company whoever has hired me and every person's ever hired me is an idiot because they said, Let's let's hire this guy and let him go on the air and just say whatever he thinks. I would just say they probably weren't thinking it through. No, the way the way I look at it. I mean, I still am in awe that I don't care whether it's been an individual long.

It's been an individual owner or a corporation or whatever. And they go, they've actually gone through the thought process. Let's put these guys on the air. They can say whatever they want. We trust them.

Yeah, really. Yeah. And I'm still and I'm still doing it. Yeah. So, no, I don't have, you know, anybody who anybody who does that.

The fact that I'm here, I think is the answer to every. Is the answer to everything about how I feel about the companies that have hired me in the past,

Yeah.

“And if I, you and I really don't, you know, we, let's, there isn't really much.”

I don't think there's anything that we hide. No, no, we're very happy. We're very happy with it. Yeah. But I don't go.

I will never write a book.

Yeah. Right. Right. Right. I would never write a book and say, you know, Eric did this and Ron did that.

I just, I, I wrote a deal sign. But I would, I would never, I would never do that. No. And I just don't believe that. I don't believe that the listeners really care about the minutia of what your individual complaints

might be against managed venture over this and this and that. I just don't think that. Because I have to conjure up some lies to make it happen. Quite frankly. Yeah.

Anthony Anthony had, uh, it was an actor. He passed away this past weekend. I was just reading an article, uh, yesterday about his daughters. They're both actresses. His name is Anthony had his brother is, is Murray had, uh, the singer, uh, British actor.

And I recognize him from the TV show Bobby the vampires layer because my daughters watched that show religiously back in the day. And he passed away at the age of, uh, 72, um, uh, from the moon.

But his daughter said he always considered himself lucky as an actor.

He loved his job. He's, you know, so they made it sound like, and I thought to myself, I consider. I've told my kids that. You know, I, I feel like I've won the lottery with a job that I have and the people I get to work with. It's, it doesn't happen every day.

And, and there are a lot of people out there that, you know, don't like the jobs. Don't like the job they have to do. They're, uh, sometimes excruciatingly difficult to do, whether it's, um, a desk job or not. And, and I have a lot of buddies who work construction and they're out in the summer heat and everything else. I consider myself lucky.

I've, I've told my kids that. So I related to that article about, uh, the daughters of Anthony had commenting on their dad. Well, it's such a rare, it's such a rare thing. Yeah. And then, as I explained to my great nephew one time, it's like, well, the odds are really high to make the NBA. And I said, they're higher to get where we are today.

It's right up. No, they go.

They're, you know, because you, you think about what, maybe one in 150 or 150 people, maybe a hundred.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, the odds was not born in the NBA, I know. Yeah. So we're blessed.

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All right. The president, Iran, Israel, peace, steel, whatever. Here's Brett Hume from last night on Fox. Well, even if it does happen, Johnny, you have the still fundamental question of whether any deal reached with Iran with some regime or remnant of a regime.

Can be trusted. The Iranians lie. They cheat. Every word that comes out of the mouth of these Iranian officials over there.

“You have to regard with the extreme skepticism.”

A lot of his manifestly untrue and his recent, their recent description of all the demands they did on a tack on Israel is a perfect example of it. So we still have the fundamental question of whether it's ever possible to get a verifiable deal with this regime. And that's the big questions.

We said the other day. It's not about whether there's a ceasefire. It's not about whether there's a deal. It's whether we have verification that is absolute. Yeah.

And that's it. We're going to have to have the Iranian. There's no other way around it and still if we allow them to sell oil, they're going to be able to fund their proxies.

Huh.

Has your own connections?

No. No, it's an issue. Wow. And that's just an issue. The fact that everything is automatic.

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All right. Well, yesterday. You know, after the president's response to Netanyahu,

I looked at you and I said, the first thing I came through my mind was,

are they playing good cop bad cop? Yeah, that was our pre-show. Maybe that was the beginning of our pre-show. Yeah. And it was just, again, it was just a quick thought.

Yeah.

“After yesterday, I think the president and you and I've talked about this before,”

he can't, he's not going to be able to sell it. But he's trying to, I think, separate the United States from, from Israel in all of this. He can't sell it. He's trying to do it.

Let me just get the, the truth social yesterday. Yeah. Where I just went, what are you doing? Here it is. Israel and Iran must immediately stop shooting.

I'm just like, what? There's a moral equivalency that he's setting there. Yeah. I agree with the Wall Street Journal. They demand more from Israel than they do with the ran right now.

Now, there may be a strategy for it. I don't know what it is because I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. But on the surface, especially given the phone call that he had with Benjamin Netanyahu, the exploitive filled phone call with Benjamin Netanyahu. You know, he seemed to be angry or at Israel in recent days, right?

Then he is Iran. Then Iran should, and you know, and remember, remember the whole thing with Hezbollah last week. Yeah. You know, it, that didn't last any time. And April didn't last any time.

You can't trust any of these people. And Trump seems to be implying that you can. That's a problem. He can't sell it and you want to know how you know it's a problem for him. Over the last 24 hours, I've gone on social media.

“And that's what you see the influencers that will parrot anything that he does and say,”

You know, cis boom, rah rah rah. Hmm. None of that. No. None of it.

No. I didn't see one of the influencers that I normally see say, You're right. Israel's got a straight up here. You know, if, if, and then you see this here.

Vance admits, US Israel interests can diverge on Iran. No, they can't. No. Israel needs us. And they need us to be on the same page.

Yes. And of course, we need them to be on the same page.

But the problem is the president can't make any move whatsoever.

Except for to try and extend the ceasefire, non ceasefire. As long as you can and keep it going till November 3rd. It's the problem is it's not a seller. You're not going to have a, you're not going to have a big mover here. And any direction before November 3rd on the war.

Here's just that right now and whatever you're doing right is is not going to change it. Because they're not going to send boots on the ground to go in and get your

That's not going to happen between now and November 3rd and may never happen.

And every day that this continues. The Iranians Hezbollah, Hamas, the hoodies, I heard the hoodies were shootin' at Israel. Yes. Yes. Every, they view that as weakness from President Trump.

That's how they view it.

“How do we know that's how they've always viewed the United States.”

And then when Trump put this out, this was the last one yesterday on through social. The other side's Israel and Iran are looking to do an immediate ceasefire. Well, there aren't just two.

Final negotiations on peace or proceeding subject to ignorance or stupidity getting in the way.

Yeah. No idea where he's going with it. No idea where he's going with it. But both sides Israel and Iran as if the United States is not involved in this. There's more than two sides and the biggest side was left out of that.

Right. And you've got a lot of Republicans now going, what the hell is he doing? What in the world is he going with this?

“That's why it was so quiet on social media over the last 36 hours.”

Because as we've talked about before, we're still negotiating what we had before the war began. Yeah.

Well, here's the thing, is that the table is set for the negotiation.

The asks are on the table. It's a long time knowing. And it's a very simple set of asks from both sides. And I mean, in this case, the US and Iran, not Israel and Iran. But you're not going to get there.

There's not going to be a concession by either side between now and November 3rd. It's only going to be kicking the can down the road, getting past the election. And then I don't know what happens. And much of that will depend on how the election goes itself. Because if Democrats win, they won't be seated till January.

So if you wanted to take any action, it means you'd have to do it between November 4th in January 1st. And that's not a lot of time. It's not enough time if you ask me, I give our military the benefit of the doubt. And I would hope to be wrong, but if you're talking about taking out the regime and getting all of their enriched uranium. Because both of those have to happen, you leave the regime in place and allow them to sell oil.

They're going to still fund their proxies. And things like October 7th can happen again. Well, what is the negotiating point? What is the negotiating leverage that the United States has? We kill more in the regime.

I mean, are we going to do that? Not before November 3rd. It looks like we're not going to do that.

“Because how many times remember now, it's nine weeks of the ceasefire continuing has there been any announced movement at all on either side?”

No, that's what I'm saying. The table is set and everybody's just sitting around. It's like they all walk down the hall to the break room and getting some out of the vending machine. Everybody knows the entire world knows what the asks are and what is on the table and what is at play in play for both sides. So that's the problem here.

It's it's an awkward stalemate. And you're not hearing it. You know, because you can't any more if you just come out and say, well, the talks are progressing. Why, why should nobody's going to buy? Why should Iran negotiate?

They don't have to before November 3rd. That's in any US question nine weeks ago. You know, well, they better negotiate because they'll go right back in again. We know that's not the case. We know that they can break ceasefire after ceasefire after ceasefire after ceasefire.

We'll do some defensive moves, but they don't care if the public stars as long as they remain in power. They don't care if people don't have jobs as long as they remain in power. And so you lose your the president has lost his leverage unless he goes back in.

And then trying to frame it yesterday that the two sides here are between Israel and Iran.

Well, you can solve that problem if you say you're close to the deal. And the things should move very quickly. It means you can get the uranium and you have all the enforcement, all the enforcement parts of it, the verification parts of it. All set. And that Iran is willing to cooperate with you on it.

Now I did see the other day when I went okay. The only people that can get you see this one. The only people that can get the uranium are United States and China. When they held a China, come in in this. Well, you see that.

“Yeah, well, the question and the question I think has kind of always been there.”

What has I think that was part of the trip. But the question is. How much is China and I would also include Russia and this question helping Iran? Because right word was they were sending equipment. Well, if you're sending equipment and sending trucks sending massive earth moving equipment,

which would be required to get at least 60% of that uranium.

We're equipped, Russia might be equipped. Well, China is definitely equipped. The question is what they be doing? Well, yeah, and why would you bring us another. Why would you bring China into the mix when you can deal with Iran one on one?

You bring China into the mix Iran wants China into the mix because if they do, don't do it. And the U.S. can verify it. Then it's just not the U.S. going against Iran. China and Iran and the story came out. No, I think it's two weeks ago.

That Iran and Wall Street Journal had it. Iran is secretly selling oil to China. And they're moving it. He's unmarked ships that they're loading. And they're, and it's getting done.

“And by the way, and they're story, by the way, they're getting paid for too.”

Yeah, exactly. And that's the, you know, so if that's going on, there is a concern with China. But your negotiation is directly with Iran.

But the problem is as of right now, the President cannot sell this supposed, you know,

the two sides now are Israel and Iran. And somehow the United States is separating from Israel. They can't sell it. And then J.D. vans out there saying the same thing yesterday. I'm like, you can't sell this to your own party. Right.

You can't sell this to your own party. And the entire Iranian sphere of influence in the regime. Look at it as a horrible weakness that the President is attempting to sell this. Yeah, right. Yeah.

I mean, it's just not again, you're in a very awkward situation where, really, the talks really aren't even going on. You can't convince me that they are. Because everybody know what the, you know, is what the asks are. You're not going to give anything up before the election.

And Iran is not going to give anything up. I thought yesterday, I don't give a damn about Trump being at the New York. Next game or not. I don't care about this. I don't care about this crap, though.

I just, I just don't. I don't care about the ballroom. I don't care about it. All I care is about the things that matter right now. And if you even see the yesterday, the influencers were more on the next game.

And, you know, and should it be, I could care less. I could care less whether they boo or cheer. I could care less whether he goes. I could care less about any of that stuff. I care about winning in November.

The Republicans winning in November. That's it. That's my only goal. I could care less about all the side story and little dramas here and there. Going on with with welker. Don't do it.

Don't go on. It's a stupid move. You don't need to. You're trying to say. I said that a couple of years ago.

Yeah. That we don't need to do that. Right. Don't do it. I don't care about that.

“I care about the stuff that's really, really important for our national security.”

And our economy. Yeah. The Republicans alike. We don't care. Let's talk about Trump being up the next game.

I don't give a damn. Well, look. The regime has to be taken out. And that uranium has to be ours. Yes.

Period. Those two stories. Those two things have to happen in. And verification. You have everything.

Yep. Not a promise. Right. Not a guaranteed. There is no guarantee that the.

It's only verification of the United States, which is slam dunk.

Yeah. You used to be a Reagan used. It actually comes from Russia. The old saying. Trust but verify.

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“The mainstream media was loving it yesterday.”

When they came out and it says.

The. A Paxton. Paxton's impeachment lawyer has come out for Tallarico. Here in the state of Texas. Right.

But because Tallarico will bring people together. And I said to myself. It's got to be a Democrat. It's just a lawyer. It got to be a Democrat.

Yeah. Tony Busby. I was the lead lawyer for the fraudulent impeachment. A Paxton. Our team consisted of more than 20 lawyers.

I understand that my friend Dan Cockdale publicly supports. AG Paxton's opponent. I'm not surprised by this. He's a lifelong Democrat.

“I also understand that he recently got crossways with Paxton.”

Concerning some real estate development that Paxton opposed. And he represented AG Paxton and Governor Abbott alleged that the developer might impose Sharia law. Now you know the rest of the story. I firmly support AG Paxton for US Senate.

That's one of those stories where they only give you. They don't give you the full story. They simply say, wow, look at this. This is incredible. This was a impeachment lawyer.

And he's voting for the opposition. Uh-huh. Yeah, like the aha moment. It's like, no. It's a lawyer.

It's a Democrat. Yeah. But you know, you said it. Forget it. It's a lawyer.

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Welcome into Good Morning. Hello. All right. I got a couple of people asking us about the judgment yesterday. A federal judge struck down Trump's $100,000 H1B visa fee yesterday.

It was an Obama appointee that issued the ruling in a lawsuit filed by 20 states. And the lawsuit challenged the fee Trump announced in September. Was led by California. And the the point that the judge made in the end. The people of the state's filing the lawsuit was it.

It's an unconstitutional tax.

And here's what they said here.

Okay. This is the legal part of it. According to the filing. They ruled that the fee was designed to raise revenue from a lawful program. And therefore function as a tax rather than a penalty as a Trump administration had argued.

That was the argument of the Trump administration. This was a penalty. Yeah. Right. Which means they understood the whole tax part of it.

The fee is generally paid by the employer, which is an American company. So the fee was designed to raise revenue from a lawful program. And therefore function as a tax rather than a penalty. As the Trump administration had argued that it was a penalty.

The judge said here the $100,000 payment required for all H1B petitions does not aim to establish that hiring H1B workers is illegal. The payment is not a penalty because it is not a punishment for an unlawful act or a mission. But hiring workers to pursuant to the H1B program is plainly lawful.

Right. The fee also violated what we've done with this before. The Administrative Procedure Act, which requires agencies to undergo a notice and common period together public feedback to judge said. Yeah. They have to put on the dock at the notice of proposed rulemaking.

That requires them to also issue a public comment period.

And give that public comment very basically enough time and then the consideration.

So it takes months and months. Sometimes longer. But they have to have that in place that they're going to create the rule administratively. All of those that entire procedure has to be done. And I don't see anywhere in here in this story on Fox News that makes where the administration

makes the case except for saying that it's a penalty. And you're not going to win that. No. Yeah. Because if it's lawful.

You know, the entire thing with.

“You know, God with Obamacare. Remember that.”

Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's not a penalty. It's a tax. Well, it was a penalty.

Mm-hmm.

Because if you didn't sign up for Obamacare, you got the penalty.

So John Roberts, which, which is, which I wonder if they can use that. Whenever the administration comes back, we'll wait a minute. You didn't, well, this isn't in the Supreme Court yet. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm going to apply it to Obamacare. Because here would be my question. If the fee was required by the person. The coming in for a foreign country. You're technically not taxing an American company.

You're raising revenue. Would it have been different? But the fact is, he incentives the companies to pay it.

In fact, you've had 85 payments for the $100,000 requirement resulting in $8.5 million in payments.

That if this stands, the government would have to pay back. Right. Well, the court, you know, in the in the decision, the court wrote that. They found that look if Congress wants to write the law on this, they can. Basically, they could set up a tax here. Yeah.

That didn't happen. And so they're viewing it as the tax. And you can't do that because it's again being, as you mentioned, being paid by the companies that are bringing people into work through the visa program.

“And if you want to talk about a fee of what was it, the roughly $1,000 or less per worker.”

That's one thing. Then you get into $100,000 and talk about, look at all the revenue we're going to raise. Yeah. Now you've changed it to where you're putting what would be a prohibitive tax on companies. Because Trump made the case, we're going to raise revenue by doing this.

Right. And American companies are paying it. You just laid out the legal argument against what you're doing. Right. And again, the administration argued legally, it's a penalty.

They can't make that case. Right. There's no wrong doing if they didn't. Because like, you know, if you've been if you presented that, I'm going, what are you doing? If you're, you're my legal help.

That's what you're presenting.

“Well, in penalty, because the first question would be penalty for what?”

The visa program itself is legal. Right. Congress approved it. You know, if you talk about Obamacare when they wrote it as a penalty, it was a penalty for not having insurance. Now, the way they wrote it for not abiding by the law.

The law enacted by the Affordable Care Act. Right. Now, John Roberts changed that from the bench and said, well, it's not a penalty. It's a tax. No, no, they argued.

It was a penalty. And, and, you know, when he said, because he was making the case, they've been the government's been taxing for years. So they can tax. What?

Do they have liquor in their desks? Like, you know, on law and order? That was, I mean, that was a horrible ruling because again, it was obvious. Congress created a law that if you did not abide by the law, you had to pay a penalty.

Yes. It's that simple. Like, it can't be a tax. Right.

“And his point was, well, if they're raising revenue by it, then it's a tax.”

No. Nope. Nope.

And so here, the promotion of it was, look at the revenue, we're going to raise.

Well, the court, at least in this finding, said it's a tax. And you're taxing American companies. And you're doing that without authorization of Congress. If Congress wants to write the law, they can't. So we'll see where it goes from here.

Yeah. I'm trying to see anywhere. Because I didn't see the administration responded to this. I did not yesterday. I don't know how you responded.

I don't know how you appeal it because even John Roberts can't turn this one around. It's a penalty.

“Well, with the question, again, penalty for what?”

It's not a penalty. There's no wrongdoing. It's not a penalty. You can, because you can argue administrative fees, whatever it might be. Per person.

Well, they're, within, with their reign. There were administrative fees. That's, that's what I mean. But the administrative fees, I'm sure, came from when Congress passed the law, whatever cost. That's exactly how it happened.

Right. You guys have to pay the fee for this. Right. But the user fee to do this. It's, and, and, and all of that fair and good.

“But if you want to do this administratively.”

You just created a massive, it's not a fee. It's not a penalty. It's a tax. Right. And there's no way around that.

Now, except go to your party and tell them to pass the new law, which isn't going to happen, because you don't have the numbers. The only thing I don't have here, I don't have the response from the administration on it. The interesting to see, we'll bring it to you if the, to see what their response is to it. And if they plan on appealing, did you see where they plan on appealing? I assume they were going to, but I didn't see anything specific on that yesterday.

No. So, um. Yeah. I just did. Yes.

From the Wall Street Journal White House spokesman, woman indicated that the administration plan to appeal the decision from. So, yeah, I assume they did.

I think it's always a given.

I just don't know where they go on the appeal. You know, because you're changing your, everything that's written by Congress, you can't just go in and go, well, the fee is now this. The fee is now $100,000. Congress would have to go in and do it. And that's really what the court found.

And I don't know legally how you would argue around that. I just don't know how you would do that. You just can't throw that down administratively. But it, procedurally, you're doomed, which means you would have to start all over again. Because you got to go through the public comment period on an MPRN.

So, now look at this. Other challenges to the fee had been filed by staffing companies as well as the US Chamber of Commerce in the Chamber's challenge. The Obama appointed judge cited in December with the Trump administration finding the fee lawful. So, the President Trump has clearly got authority to restrict entry of any class of aliens he determines is not in the American's best interest. And that's exactly what he did.

Well, the, the question would be, but then if this is, if this is meant because he promoted it by saying, look at all the money we're going to use. If you're saying restricting people from coming here, then that's not going to raise money. If they're not coming, they're not paying. So, he can, he could, they could pause the visa program administratively. Yes.

Overall, the question is, can they impose the tax if it's, again, it's being paid by American company.

Typically, new visa fees are set by Congress or levied through formal regulations, which first undergo months of public notice and comment.

That's the, yeah, that's the MPRM thing. It had previously cost a 215 to enter an applicant into the lottery, and then more than 5,000 in fees to file a visa application without factoring in the lawyer fees.

Well, okay.

They're not using legally if they're not using penalty.

I think they use both. Yeah.

“You use penalty, you have to show the wrongdoing.”

Right. I mean, the, the visa program is legal that they're coming here through the visa program. And they're granted a visa. They haven't done anything illegal, and neither is the company hiring. So there is no panel.

You know, for example, I mean, with the World Cup to just see the one Somalia judge, they went away. Right. Referee, they went away. Yeah.

You, you could sit there and you could pick and say, and all this person can't come in this person.

Oh, yeah. You can, and they could pause the visa program, right? You know, all together. You know, again, that would be blanketed, and it's, you're not creating essentially. You're not creating because that would be the question.

Why did you just pause it?

“Why did you allow, if it's meant to be prohibitive, right?”

Then why didn't you, why didn't you pause it? Why did you allow, if it's damaging the country. Right. And this is national security. Why did you allow them in for a hundred thousand?

Right. Because if you're saying, okay, we only want, let's say, doctors or, you know, people who are going to earn that kind of money that would be worth it for companies to pay a hundred thousand. Then you could make adjustments without taxing the companies that are bringing them in. And they said the H1B program has been abused for decades. What does abuse mean?

Right. Does that mean they did something illegal? Right. Yeah. Or you just view that too many foreign jobs or too many jobs are going to foreigners and not US citizens, which is a legit, which is a totally legit complaint.

Well, if any companies are, are doing anything illegal through the H1B visa program, then. Right. Right. What I brought up might be a moral. Right.

But is it illegal? Right.

“If you need to change it, then you do it.”

You can't administratively. If not, you go to Capitol Hill. Interesting. Yeah. We are right.

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Well, I mean if you're talking fee, if you say, this is a fee, but what is what define a regulatory fee or regulatory fee would be something that you would pay in order like we pay our, well, this is where the loophole is. You know, we pay our fee to get our registration, is that just to cover the cost, is that a user fee and can you prove that that user fee goes, you know, for the regulatory burden of the state. And is it a reasonable fee, right, you would have, I think you, some courts, maybe not all, might ask you to demonstrate, okay, you went from roughly a thousand to a hundred thousand, you know, so I don't know what that is, a trillion percent or whatever it is.

So what constitutes the hundred thousand, the need, you could probably, if you said, okay, we're bringing in a doctor from India, that doctor's going to study here and get licensed here.

And because, you know, you could make the point, I mean, if, if that's what the company is doing, all right, if companies are doing this and they're bringing in much needed engineers, doctors, whatever it might be, that are higher owners are going to be paying higher taxes and all of this. The government's got to demonstrate where that hundred thousand dollars is, if you come back with, well, we needed to be prohibitive and because we don't want people coming in just working lower paying jobs, construction jobs, radio jobs, things like that.

“We want them, we want them, you know, the high owners to come in because they'll be paying more taxes. I think that might be a hard sell in the course. It's an interesting case.”

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So there you go Steve Hilton there's the the the the check mark there in real clear politics and second place you had to be sure with 24% of the vote in still all the vote is not in well we're two weeks right. Yeah, absolutely. We week. So they're actually doing a much quicker this year. You and I were the August. Yeah, we were I think I said August 15. Yeah, and I think I said August first or second just to be we were kidding by the yeah we weren't sure I really think it's going to be October. We're sure they were ever going to get the voting. But to be sure with 27.7% Hilton 25.1% Stire 22.4% 84% of the vote in and he's up by over by over 200,000 over styre and he's just not getting the votes. So they called it for for Hilton. Yeah, so there you go.

All right, and they asked him if he has seen any fraud and he said no, they have not he was interviewed on this before they announced and they said they said things were looking really good. At that point he said we haven't seen anything that's concerned us at the the moment as we said yesterday though. You know, the the problem is and Republicans need to take advantage of this and pound on it is the whole voter ID thing the voter ID. Yeah, what do you call the ballot the ballot harvesting were people can just bring it in and being able to count votes after the election day is over the Supreme Court may take care of that that one though, but you know that that is there is no other reason.

Yeah, the population. Yeah, I want it even was 72, 73% of Democrats want voter ID. Everybody wants everybody wants it.

“People aren't stupid. They understand if there's no ID.”

Yeah, you can commit fraud. Yeah, people don't want fraud in election. So why would you have something why would you have something that a land in in this day and age where not even trump wants voter ID will stop Democrats from saying no voter ID is a good thing. Not even that normally it could be well, I'm completely for this will trump is too. I'm completely against it. Not on not on voter ID, it is it is I don't know of an issue out there that has more support of the American public and every single demographic and every argument the Democrats make falls flat.

And you say, well, why if you have landslide numbers of people even Democrat landslide numbers over 70% why would they still keep doing it because they're hoping for fraud. They believe fraud is easier and fraud will help them. There is no other reason. You know, and this is the thing is that years ago, you're probably what you know, well, we did and you and I have been doing this for years. You had people saying, oh, slippery slope, you guys with a no, we've seen it. We know what fraud looks like. We've seen how desperate the Democratic party can get and it makes a difference, especially when you when you look at it right now.

“I think it's always been critical, but if you look at the slim majority that the GOP has in the house and the Senate.”

Now, you and I put that first and foremost on the GOP get your butts out there and campaign better get the messaging right, but the Democrats know in situations like that.

Well, if we can't get redistricting done. Then we'll, you know, like in California, we'll ban voter ID. Look at the entire picture during Trump's first term and everyday sense that how desperate they have been to defeat him. If they can ask for ID is an opportunity for them if they can squash it. They know it. And they know they lose a massive opportunity because we mentioned imagine a couple of, you know, in blue states. The few red districts that they have, well, it didn't go that way. Sorry, it didn't go that we're going to have to count for years before we know the final tally.

And and they look at Trump and say, they pointed Trump and say, he's a threat to democracy. And they're squashing voter ID. Yep. What the hell? You know what I thought about yesterday and with the back and forth that we talked about with Trump, you know, going after Israel and the whole thing. It's like, well, wait a minute. You know, Trump keeps going after the Israelis. They're going to start calling him Hitler. Oh, wait a minute.

They do. But now after Platner and his tattoo, they might start liking Trump. This is the bizarre world we live in today politically with the landscape. But voter ID is a very basic almost no moving parts.

“Think about it. There's there's not a lot of moving parts here. It should you have to show prove who you are when you vote. The answer is yes.”

Well, I mean, look, let's not, let's not come down too hard on Platner. He's finally, you know, he's the one guy promoting.

I'm going to be able to do this. He's a one guy promoting, you know, men's rights. He too. Yeah. Now the Democrats are he too. Right. Do not believe the accuser believe the man. Believe the man. You know, why? Because the man says right, just like the radical transgender movement. Yeah.

Again, women submit to the man because the man says so. And now the Democrats have completely completely, completely abandoned me to that's over. And now in brace he too.

“I mean, it's, and I thought to myself yesterday was just my, my brain going round around as I'm running errands. And I thought the Trump is screaming at the Israelis.”

They're going to call him.

And I sent my Hitler and wait a minute, they might start liking him. They might be talking a third term before it's all over with.

I mean, it was, it was, it's so bizarre because this is, this is what they have to do. This is the dog chasing its own tail over and over again with the Democrats and the radical left over and over again. And they have to change the rules on the fly every day every day in the radical playbook. Because otherwise, that dog can't, won't keep chasing it, stale once the dog finds out it's chasing its own tail. Uh, it'll sit down. Yeah, this is where we are on on voter ID on on everything else, but voter ID is very, very simple.

Yeah, it's a, it's a yes or no question should people have to prove who they are when they vote. And think about how long it's been at least two decades for the Democrats have pounded that voter ID is racist and landslide number of minorities say it's not right. I mean, the core of what was the Democratic Party before they decided to say, well, all we care about is having white crazy women. Right. But what used to be the core, their core base.

It's still, it's my way. They, they reject it going, no, it's not racist. It's common sense to stop fraud and quit insulting our capability of being able to do everyday tasks. That other people can get right that other people can handle and you're saying that we can't do it.

They're losing on the, and it's just, it's amazing that they keep fighting for this.

And, you know, California got blasted this week, you know, because of every, all of it. Yeah, even the, the New York Times, the Washington Post, they all blasted the way they do it, the way they do elections there. Right. You cannot win that argument. They've tried everything. You, you had, you had war not in in Georgia. Go from, I don't even know any Democrats who were against it.

No, first he was, it's racist, it's racist, it's racist, it's racist. And then, yes, before he got elected, yes. And, and then it was like, I don't know anybody who's against voter ID. And now he's against voter ID again. Yes, full circle dog chasing its tail.

Yeah, that's, that's the logic of the left. And you can only do that when you keep changing the rules and the arguments.

“And everybody knows it, everyone, that's why every time they speak on voter ID,”

I'm like, everybody knows their gas lighting. Yep, because everyone knows what it's about. Everyone knows it's a reasonable, it's a reasonable thing to do to ensure to the public that there's not going to be, but there's, there, but there's not fraud. Well, we know there's fraud.

Yes, you know, it depends on what election, you know, how, how rampant it is. But it's the same thing of, you still have to, they, they still have at the self checkout. They still have somebody watching you. It may be a self checkout, but you're being watched to make sure that you pay before you go. Right.

And by the way, I talked to the, I'm, I'm friends at the, the local target with the, the one woman who's always there.

Mm-hmm. She goes, you every single day, she's telling me about people to try to get out without paying. The things that though. Oh, yeah. The show.

The, it's a, the loss prevention. And, and, and the big box stores as you.

“And did you hear about the, the, the chase it went on?”

Three guys in their 60s. Part of an organized, you know, shoplifting ring that hit the target on 287. And then they took off and the cops were chasing them. Wow. And they hit a car, they hit a vehicle.

And it was an organized, theft ring. And all these guys were in their 60s. Wow. Well, like we said earlier, I'm, I'm too tired to pull it off. Yeah.

Sorry. Yeah. And it's easier to get a job and pay for it. And I, you know, I've got, I've got a toll tag and, and I have touchless TSA. Which means I can't do anything.

It's a request and they never fulfill it.

And I don't know why. Oh, man.

“I don't know if I want to go any further with this.”

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I got to find the audio. I just popped into my head now.

“Did you see that Jeff Dunn was on with Bill Mars drinking podcast?”

Oh, I did not see that. I love Jeff Dunn. Yeah. I would, I was hoping that he would have just brought Walter on. Yeah.

And Walter could have gone against Bill Mars. But Bill Mars was saying exactly what we said. He goes the thing that frustrates the most about the left is they won't talk to you. Yeah. Because they won't talk to me.

They won't have conversations with you. Right. And he goes at frustrates and more.

“I'll find that audio coming up here in a little bit.”

Yeah. Because I think it's fascinating. But we know why. They don't have their thoughts organ. And all they can do is shout chance from some kind of organized protest.

They can't sit and debate. They can't debate anybody.

Because whenever your thoughts organized and you believe you can win an argument, you're always willing.

Yeah. To debate. Yep. You're always willing to talk to somebody. Right.

They won't. Right. Because of that. Right. And like I said, that's the one thing that's happened over the last 10 years.

The left just doesn't say anything anymore. They don't. People that vote for Democrats have just shut up complete. All they do is throw out phrases on social media or at protests. You know, and scream louder if you try and have a debate with them.

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