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“Yeah, we weren't, we didn't, the show wasn't born.”
Well, well, our partnership was born. I guess you could say that. Twenty-one years now, we're well, we're now into year twenty-two, but who was the pregnant person involved though? Who hurt us?
We'll use the politically correct person, who was the birth pregnant woman. Who was the birthing person of Red Eye? Well, by the way, that should be the biggest complaint on that whole thing. You're taking credit, the most credit away from women when you do that. I mean, and we already know they don't care, but you talk about giving birth.
Oh, no, present, a pregnant person, it's a woman, because a man couldn't do it. Even if all of a sudden nature changed that, a man still wouldn't be able to get through it. I might be able to say this without getting any flag. If a male had to give birth, it might be more painful than a woman, and I'm not going
to go into the details. Well, there's that part of it, but also, we don't handle pain as well. I did see another day that somebody, if you're a golfer, you understand this, that it's really putting, you know, when you three put on a golfer, when a guy, three put on a golf course, you know, women can understand it, because it's almost to the level of giving birth.
It's almost to the other day, but there we are, twenty-one years, we completed yesterday.
And for me, it's amazing, because I, you know, there's no reason to lie about it, but
my goal is to stay a year and get out. Right. My goal was for you to stay a year and get out. Exactly. Both of our goals for me to stay a year and get out.
A year, you mean a week, but yeah. And, you know, I just, for me, it was to an opportunity to do an national show, and put it on my resume and then leaprogged somewhere else. Right. You would have ever told me that it would be twenty-one years, and I would still be
doing this.
“I would have told you you're out of your mind when I first started, but I knew I think we”
agree on this. It was about a week in where we both looked at each other and said, "Yeah, this sort of works." This sort of works. Right.
Yeah. I was drinking heavily back then. No, it was, we knew right away.
I remember starting when, uh, the basically the creator of the All Night Show on our
flagship WBAP, uh, Bill Mack, uh, in, in 1969, he created the show. I joined him in, in '96, and after he retired, just after he retired in 2001, I remember how J, the Great Hell J, on the WBAP morning news, uh, he had asked me on the air that morning, uh, after Bill, you know, had retired. He said, "Well, Bill was here for 32 years doing that all night show.
Do you see yourself, you know, doing this for 32 years?" And you, I couldn't even help, but the no came out so fast. No. And it'll be 30 years for me in this December, and I couldn't be more proud.
I don't want to go anywhere.
And I hope it's another, you know, I don't, I don't think anyone else, 30, but I'd love to do, uh, another 10 or 15 easily. And, but no, it's, um, it's been, it's been crazy.
“If you think about 2005, I'd love to go back to Eric and Gary of 2005, right?”
And because, here we are, you know, basically, uh, just began the second term of George WBAP, you, uh, yeah, just began the second term of George WBAP, uh, we're just months into it. And, you know, things were going on, and, you know, I mean, it was, we were having political discussions, uh, then you got to the next year, uh, the midterm, uh, and the rank-and-file Republican, you know, they were, you know, upset about a lot of things.
If then, though, we couldn't criticize, you know, I got a lot of flack for criticizing George WBAP. Show me, uh, you know, on spending, um, and, you know, and then by the end of his term, everybody was on board for criticizing him for, uh, of a second, the end of his second term. And so, you know, the, uh, and all the things that we've experienced in, that 21 years,
and here we are in 2026, and, you know, uh, the socialist of America have had their convention. They're proudly remember with Obama, you couldn't say socialist. They said it was the New Enward, and they, you know, they condemned it. How dare you call him a socialist, uh, you know, and then Bernie Sanders back then, he's always been a socialist.
What do you mean? What do you mean?
“And, you know, we have said along the way, look, you need to own it.”
If you're on the left, why don't you just own, why don't you promote what you believe? What you actually believe. And here we are. And 2026, they had their convention. Well, we've been talking about it a couple of weeks, but they just recently had their
convention in recent days, and now they're proudly promoting it, and saying it's not extreme. So there's, I mean, the spectrum of what we have covered, what we have gone through, and
our time together here in 21 years is incredible.
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But people evolve, total sports, do not make me regret this, do not make me devolve. Back to that guy, that's so many clones, which that I still was. I do not embarrass the entire country. Now, I can go back. I can get there fast, lose tonight, and you got a real problem.
Do not blow it. The Jim Rome show podcasts. It's been warned. If I would listen on your favorite platform, it is, and I remember in 2006, I do remember, that's when we said, OK, the Democrats now are not trying to pretend they're in the middle.
But then again, the middle back then is to what even what liberalism was back then is completely topsy-turvy with where the Democratic Party is now. And so that to me is really interesting.
“When I think back though, the things I think back, the nights I remember, the nights I remember”
doing the show, I mean, and from terrible things happening, you know, the the Vegas shooting happen while we were on the air.
As you and I, we're following on social media, as we always do, we're following on social
media things that are going on. There was raw amateur video coming out of the Jason Alden concert that was going on in the ground level there in Vegas, it was an outdoors show. And then during the break, we turned the audio up, because it looked frantic, but we couldn't hear the audio.
So during the break, we listened to some of the audio. It was, that was, that wasn't from a video that was from Westwood, one audio. Well, I saw it, but it was also on a video that I saw on social media. OK, but we played it. No, no, we ended up playing it later.
Yes.
No, we played it the first time we heard it was on the air.
We did not preview that. We saw the Western room report plate. And then we heard that because we said, because it, you know, the automatic gunfire sound.
“No, I said, that's what I said when I was, in fact, when I previewed it on my side,”
and maybe you didn't hear that, but when I previewed the video on my side, I said, that's something like a machine gun, OK, I thought it was, yeah, I thought it was like that, that I remember. But that, but that entire night of covering that, because we knew right away, this was something we had no idea without terrorist attack or whatever, and then is that the
night progressed. The Sonya Brothers, then Montessania bread, that was, that was started actually before
our show, but you and I have always had the policy, if we need to find reports that
are coming in that we can cite because we're not, we're not there, we don't have reporters on the scene, and we need to be able to either repeat what the local authorities are saying, and or repeat what local media or national media is reporting, and that's basically how we do our live coverage on breaking news. My gosh, the theater shooting in Aurora, Colorado, in fact, I was on that now.
Yeah, I was in New York, you were there, and I was here for the hurricane, they did New York. Right. While I was talking to people in high rice, I had lost my voice. They're power out.
Yeah, you weren't in the night. I was sick. I had no voice whatsoever, and it was, I mean, that was crazy.
“The ship hitting the bridge, yes, in Baltimore, remember the plant blowing up in West”
Texas. Right. Yep. Yep. Katrina, Katrina, yeah, Katrina was just what the next month.
And you know what I remember, and it wasn't really, it didn't happen on the air, because when I got into the studio, we're about a half hour from going on the air, it was the coal gun air crash just by two miles from my father's house. And the Maristra and I talk about Marty's right around the corner, the next block is where
that plane crashed, and I knew when they said it crashed, I think, first I heard in Clarence,
said in Clarence. Center. My father lived Clarence. And I went, oh my God, I haven't heard from how come nobody's called me from the house. My mom was alive.
Neither my mother or father had called me to tell me about it. And remember how worried I was, and I got to hold them, they're like, we're watching it right now. No, it's in Clarence. And we had a friend who was also a sponsor at that time who lived in that neighborhood.
“And we were, you know, oh yeah, I remember that, yeah.”
And so, you know, we're trying to check in with everybody, hurricane Rita. And everything that was going on with that, I mean, a number of hurricanes along the way. But, you know, the, and then you add into it all the political stories. I mean, if you had told me in 2005, Trump was going to run, that wouldn't have been a surprise. To 40 AM, our time 340 AM roughly Eastern time when it was announced that he won in 2016.
And we talked about how, you know, it was really disappointing that the nation didn't hear that victory speech because it was one of the few times that he used the word we threw out that speech. And, you know, I mean, that's just his nature, but that night, he had a great speech. And he talked about it.
And he said, you know, we basically his entire team and the whole thing.
But we got word early on from a reporter at that time that we had at the Hillary campaign headquarters, that, you know, she had lost it. And she's, you know, lost her temper apparently. And wasn't going to say anything and that it officially came out. And her spokesperson came out if you get even who it was. And said, yeah, she's gone home for the night. And then later years later, she talked about going home and lying on the couch for days.
And as she finally, there was a concession, but all of these, you know, events that have happened. Well, you look at 2008, 2009, what they call the great recession. Then COVID. COVID was just weird. Yeah.
It was just weird.
sensibilities as humans, that, you know, we didn't know fully what it was. But we started to sense that we weren't getting the full story. And, you know, and then how all that played out. And then my gosh, the, the Twitter files, you know, and how that changed how Elon Musk buying Twitter really changed the entire scope of all social media platforms. Then
“Trump winning in 2016, I remember that, and, and it sticks with me because we've talked about”
the Democratic Party and the racism of identity politics, judging people by groups and not individuals. I go back to that show that we did, which must have been in early 2008, no, the summer of 2008. No, no, it wasn't the summer because it was, it was the primary. And so it had not been decided and it was Obama and it was Hillary. Yeah. And we went on the air around March, I guess, then maybe. And it could have been, yeah. But definitely
the primary was in, you know, going full bore. Right. And we said, we only want to hear from Democrats. Yeah. For that. Yeah. Who do you want Obama or Hillary and why? And the
phone lines lit up like crazy. And except for one caller after we finally said, guys, do
issues matter. Right. Every single call. Right. Obama because we need the black president, Hillary, because we need the first woman president. Right. And we said, are there any issues? Finally, a guy called and said, well, yeah, Hillary's a warm-unger and Obama is. Yeah. Yeah, that was it. Right. Now every single call that we took. And we were talking about this goes,
“this is amazing. Every caller is identity politics. And remember that goes back, that goes back,”
that goes back 18 years. And when that. And people didn't know the words identity politics, we had seen it before for years. Yeah. We were fully aware of it. But you really had to be a walk in order to, you know, recognize it every time it was happening. But they were very clear about it. Then to the point, the endorsements for Obama from celebrities was all about a skin color and nothing
about his qualifications. It was amazing. I'll never forget that. And that was, I mean, that was
to me when we both, we went, wow. Yeah. This is really amazing. How addict. And now we are, it's worse now than it's ever been. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like he's a whole, another generation. Yep. Which has gotten us to DEI. Yep. The insanity of the radical transgender movement. Yep.
“We've been able to see the progression. We live the progression every night for 21 years on that.”
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Mirror and I renew. He is here currently and I'm getting Mac. They're married. Okay, coming up on the bottom of the hour. Just one more story about our 21 years together.
Yeah.
Well, there's 21 years worth. So, yeah. Yes. I love talking about us. Pull. It's all about us. Plus, we will, I can sneak golf into here because it fits their narrative. If we haven't said it in a while, the word doomed narrative. Yeah.
“But in your late recent, I think for my perspective that I quit saying it so much is because I think”
everybody knows it now. I think it's obvious. More coming up. Yes. .
The show that never stops. Red eye radio.
We're Red eye radio. He is there. Currently, I'm hearing Mac. They're Mara. All right. One more. Just funny thing about. I've started in our 22nd year together. 21 years ended yesterday on yesterday's show. Yeah. But I just have to bring this up because it just shows you some of the stuff just behind the scenes. And this goes back. I can say this because this goes back like four companies ago. But this is a, this is a true story. You know,
where I'm going on this. I just remember, I just remembered it so well because I was so happy. And
then you just, you just completely destroyed me. Yeah. And this is, I remember when I first
started on the show and they had us, they had us like in this production room where they made commercials. Yeah. Yeah. And so where I was sitting, I had a computer. Yeah. The computer must have been,
“I don't know. I think they were using Fortran. And you were using those little cards that”
you blew, you know, yeah, that you could blow, they blew wind through it, you know, to read it or whatever. Right. But no, it wasn't that bad. But this computer was so bad. Yeah. Couldn't play floppy disks. Yeah. Yeah. That it was so old. Yeah. Yeah. That I could not. It did not have, did not have the space for me. I couldn't play audio cuts. Now, it wasn't the same because this goes back to 2005. YouTube had not yet gotten to the point where it is now at all.
Right. But we had actually a, you know, we had the, the, the, the network. I believe, there's been the first company would have been ABC that we worked for at ABC News. I couldn't play the audio cuts. We couldn't play audio cuts of what politicians were playing because my computer would just go on the fritz. Right. We couldn't do it. And they had them all organized and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Everything was like all that. Right. Good log on to everyone. Everything was,
was organized and everything and couldn't play it. Right. Yeah. And I went to our boss at the time, no names here went to our boss and said, can you give me a new computer? We can't play audio cuts. It goes, nope. Don't have the budget. Yeah. But we're a national talk show. Yeah. And by the way, we had the budget. But yeah. Oh, I know. I know, I, of course, we had the budget. Yes. We believe me. We had the budget. Oh, yeah. And it goes, we, we just, we, we can't do it. I
said, like, I, we're national show. I can't play audio cuts. God says. So sorry, nothing we can do. But eight months later, I mean, this office goes, I need to ask you a question. Why aren't, it goes, look, all these other talk shows are playing audio cuts. Why don't you guys ever play audio
“cuts? Yeah. I said, we had this conversation eight, nine months ago. Right. What are you talking about?”
Right. I told you I need a new computer. I cannot play audio cuts on that computer. It's too old. So if this means you're going to get me a new one, it goes, no, no, we can't do that. Yeah. Right.
And then you never complained about it again. But then I walk in one night. I walk in one night to the
studio. There's this brand new computer. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I was, I was, I was happy as, when Peter burned down the, the company on office space. Yeah. I know. I said, no, but I mean, I was, it's real. I go, oh my gosh, there's a new computer. This is new. I can play audio cuts. And Eric looked at me and he said, no, don't get too happy. I think it's only in here for the day. It's and will be gone by Monday. And I'm like, yeah, it was for it was a week. Yeah. It was going to be
there for the week for the week. Okay. Yeah. It can be there for the week because Laura Ingram,
Who wasn't even working for our company.
to work to do, they, they offered her the studio. She was going to be in Dallas. Right. Apparently,
“they were so embarrassed about the equipment that they took a new computer from elsewhere on that”
floor, put it in, set it up. So they wouldn't be embarrassed with Laura Ingram saying, my God, this studio is like, did Mark Coney invent this thing or what? You know? And so they wouldn't do it for us. No, no, they wouldn't do it. They would not give us. So they would forget. And we're the money maker. We're the money, we were the money maker. She's not a money maker for our company. Right. They put it in because of embarrassment. Right. But right. And that's where
Eric came up with the, I can't say the way he would say it. Anyway, back then, Eric said, we had been crap to pawn so much that we don't even know when we've been crap to pawn. Yeah. This guy used to it. But that was, and so when she was done, they pulled the computer on. It was done. Yeah. She was there for a week gone. I remember working on over at our network studio. At the time. And Diane Sawyer was in the building. Oh, remember the story? Yeah. And so
she's in the building there to interview, I forget who it was. One of the, one of the other
“more important radio personalities. I guess. I think it was Tom. Oh, Tom joined. I think it was.”
Anyway, so she's interviewing somebody else. Right. And they wanted to do it out in, in the
atrium area. But on this walkway that walked across on the second floor to kind of show the
entire atrium in the background of a, oh, it's a good choice. Right. They went into, they personally management went into every studio in that building. At that time and said, don't leave your studio. What? What are we doing? I was like, is this a reverse fire drill? What's going on? And Diane Sawyer said, yeah, we know, yeah, we, you know, we see all the cameras and the lights and being set up and everything. We've heard it was Diane. Yeah, don't. And if you see her in the
hallway, don't approach her. I'm like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? I have a friend who works in, and it was a true story. I was like, you know, like we were all going to be, oh, Diane, can I have my autograph? Can you, would you give me your autograph? No, I think, or do you want my autograph? But I have a friend who actually works, he halls equipment for the band journey. And he said, Neil Sean's wife, they were in the same hotel. Neil Sean's wife was walking
on the hall with her security. And then her security measured, he told him, and he's the truck driver. And one of the truck drivers, they look at him and go, like, move away. Don't talk to her, don't approach, don't approach, don't approach it. I thought, this is that whole Diane Sawyer thing all over again. Well, we have a joke here that is, don't bother the talent. And it came from somebody who used to work in this building. Yes, who told, I forgot was Ron or Allen or
“both of them. Right. That's what it will tell him. Yeah, they, they were talking to us or whatever,”
and that person said to them, don't bother the talent. Don't bother the talent. Yeah, don't distract the talent. Don't distract the talent. Don't distract the, yeah, don't see the bears.
And, and it's just like, it's, I was like, nobody, number one, we never said that. Yeah,
number two, if we're busy, somebody wants to talk to us. Well, you know, that everybody knows, it's like it's close to the show. It's like, man, can't talk now, whatever. But so it's become a joke whenever, you know, we'll come in and it's somebody will say something, go, wait a minute. And it's don't disturb the talent. Well, it's, it's a technical term, but I was actually a dinner out of town at this, this, this big event. And we, and we had some big sponsors at this event.
And I was there at the dinner table, and one of our promotions people says, "Well, Eric is the talent." Now, to our sponsors, that doesn't mean the same thing. And radio, when I say it, it's like, you know, they on here, they on air people. Right. You know, whatever. More of a technical. Yeah, it's more of a technical term, but that's actually mean talent. Not he could trust me.
How do you get to school?
equal to us. There, we have very talented people that are on the air with our company. Yeah,
“we're not included. But no, but I remember sitting there at that dinner. And I said, well,”
you know, the Christian, thank you for that, you know, talent is loosely, you know, used phrase, it's a technical term for the people that are on the air, but so don't misconstrueth that because the people around the table were like, "Well, I have to talent." And, you know, but it's, you and I, we kind of got used to it. Like I said, we've been rained upon for so long. We don't know when we're standing on the rain. But no, it was the attitude that we have
is that we come in and we aren't, you know, we need the equipment. We need computers, we need microphones. Other than that, you know, even the chairs. We'll hobble something to you. I'm actually, by the way, I'm actually, I've been happy with my chair. Yeah. That's a huge thing for years. I've been happy with my chair. I stole it from Bungie, you know. But we do, but we don't want to say, you know, to, you know, the support we've gotten, and I've said this
“for the longest time, because people ask, you know, "What do you think about your management?”
Your management." You're, I've said, "I got no complaints." The very response of their very respectful. Well, not even that. It's still the fact that being in this business over 45 years now, that people will actually say, we want you, this is our company. Go on the air and say
whatever you think. And we believe we can make money on it. And my first reaction is, are you a
bunch of idiots or what? Yeah. You guys have calculators? Yeah. What's wrong with you? You're talking about me? You want me to go on and, and, you know, there, there was this belief we don't get it any more that people would say, "Well, you know, I don't get it at all anymore," where people say, "You know, I've listened to you on the air. What do you really think? What are your real opinions, though?" Yeah. What I say in the air, that doesn't happen anymore now, but, because it's really,
whether it's major corporations or single owners, only once in my life. And this goes back over 30 years ago that anybody tried to do that in management. That was it. Really, it's, you know,
the freedom that you have is really incredible. And I've often looked at it and I said,
you know, the vetting process they did on me probably wasn't as deep as I would have wanted to do. If I was hiring somebody like me, you know, especially to talk politics. But then I remember when I hired people, even when I heard talk show host, you knew. You're just by that point of hiring, you know, you know, you just, if you don't know, you're probably not going to last long in management, but yeah, but we're very grateful for management, grateful for the audience and
our sponsors over the years and look, you know, we'd love to do another 21 years. So let's keep it going. I'll be 91. Yeah, that's good. That's all right. And thank you to all of our great listeners. Yeah. We just have the greatest audience we do. And the fact that you seek us out, you know, every day, you look for us. And you choose to be here. We don't take that for granted at all. We thank you. Coming up next, we're doomed. Yeah. We are right. I read you.
We are right. I read you. He's our crony and I'm Gary McNamara. Well, the British open starts on Thursday. All right. And remember, there's a couple of years ago where Scotty Schefler was in a press conference and said, look, golf doesn't define me as a person. Remember the, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, he was basically, you know, got in around that topic again, and he said, you know,
“about his legacy. Do you need to win this for your legacy? So to completely, to be completely honest,”
not really, I don't really play like for a place in history. I'm not playing for anything like that, because this is going to sound a little morbid. But at the end of the day, I'm going to live my life and it's going to end. When it ends, I'm going to be somewhere else. I'm not going to be here anymore. Is that going to be the quote after last year's What's the point he said? This year will be we're all going to die. He said with the smile. Then they asked for a macaroid. Yeah.
The same thing. Right. About his legacy. Uh huh. Yeah. He said, I really don't care. I would like
To think the people that love and care about me think a certain way of me.
long gone. I'll be dead. I don't think I'll be seen what people say about me. I'll be six feet
under. I don't think I'm going to be a ghost. I don't think I'll be, you know, like, yeah. Uh, I don't care because I'm a ghost. Right. I'll be dead. Right. You know, it's so funny. You know, is that you want that to be your legacy? You don't know what I think it is. You watch so many sports and the questions that the reporters ask, they give what are the calculated answers.
And now you've got some of these golfers like Scotty Shepherd. I'm very macaroid.
I don't care. I'll be dead. Right. I mean, I'm not competitive. It doesn't mean I don't want to win today. Right. But legacy. Right. Who cares? I'll be dead. I don't care. Who's the greatest?
“Well, see the greatest. Well, who cares? You should be care. You should care if you're dead.”
Right. I'm going to, I can't wait to see the reaction of the reporters over the next week on
this one for the analysis. Right. Should they care about their legacy or should they be realistic and
say, I'll be dead. I don't care. If someone doesn't care about their legacy, do they care about their actions today? You know, I mean, seriously, they just, you know, they, they, these rabbit holes they get into of these things that are just kind of made up. You know what I mean? I mean, my legacy like for my family, how my family remembers me. Right. But eventually, you know, they'll move on. You know, my great great grand kids will go, oh, sounds like a nice guy or sounds like a weirdo
or whatever the take is. But I don't, I don't think I want to put on my doot tombstone. I think
“don't think you should either were doomed. Actually, I think I've already made plans to put that on”
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