07-23-26 Part One - OpenAI Finds a Hug

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starting your day. Welcome to the show from the Relief Factor Studios. This is Red Eye Radio. All across America, we are Red Eye Radio. He is Eric Hurley and I'm Gary McNamara, good morning. Hello. All right. Here we go. Happy Thursday. This is a story that was covered by a ton of the media, but it really didn't break out, at least I didn't see it on social media. I only saw one post and it was from Elon Musk. Yeah. Well, the interesting thing

is when we talk about AI and the AI centers out there, you hear a lot about electricity

and water and all that for the data centers. The data centers. And I was watching Bill

“Mar and interview with Musk and Bill Mar was doing, saying, "We're running out of resources”

and he goes, "No, we're not." Don't know where you're coming up with that. He goes, "Well, there are people that don't have food and water," he said, "It was plenty of water everywhere." I mean, to salination, he goes, "It's cheap now." He said, "All we have to do is do it in energy. We can produce whatever energy that we need." And you and I've talked about it. I mean, when you think about the AI data centers, that's been really the biggest thing, water and

energy. And as we've talked about before, all these things are problems that we can sell. Right. Excuse me, that we can sell. Not sell, not sell. We might be able to sell them, too. We got to sell them and sell them at the same time. But this thing, I'll read the opening paragraph for the Wall Street Journal. It's the stuff of cybersecurity nightmares. On Tuesday, open AI said two artificial intelligence systems. It was testing broke out of their test

environment, hacked their way into the internet and broke into another company. This is, this is eye robot stuff. And how old is that movie? Like 25 years old? That movie's, yeah, that goes like way back, honestly. And, you know, think about Terminator

“too. You know, follow me if you want to live. You think about all the threats of what”

happens if the robots take over. What is always really concern to me, I don't know, frightened

is the word. I may be, to a point of being frightened, only because for me, everything in my entire life has been about, about sure footing, about, okay, what don't I know about, whatever it is. And then let's learn it. All right. So the problem with AI is that you're not, there's not really one person that is going to keep up with all of it. It is moving. It's progressing so quickly. It's advancing so quickly that we're at that point. And now open AI is basically,

I mean, they're admitting they're telling a world. It was about 24 hours ago. It was during our show yesterday that Elon Musk actually posted this. And he reposted somebody else's post on this. And then, open AI came out and talked about it. And then, here you have this run the Wall Street Journal. So the victim is a company called hugging face. They provide open AI source tools, open source AI tools. So the cause was a cybersecurity benchmarking test that

apparently went wrong. So you had these two different programs. All right. These two different models. One was called GPT 5.6 so and the other, which was even more capable, more capable, pre-release model at the company didn't identify. So this is something again in development and it's proprietary. So they're not going to identify what that other one was. The software had been configured. This is from the Wall Street Journal for evaluation purposes to be less

likely to refuse hacking commands according to open AI. Now, open AI had caged the models in a sandbox. That's a system that didn't have access to the internet. But during the test, the AI software used its hacking skills to break out. It found a way to get online and

somebody will probably answer it. If you don't have access to the internet, how do you get

into the internet? This is the, again, the great unknowns. I hate to sound like Donald Rumsfeld. We don't know what we don't know. And we don't know how to learn it. But that's

“the biggest problem with AI is I think about my now 93 year old father who sits there”

on his phone and he can order anything from Walmart groceries to Door Dash to anything and it's great because mom and dad are still living in the home. They have caretakers, professional caretakers and us non-professional caretakers family that are, that are making everything happen for them to stay in their home as long as possible. Stay independent. And I think about the things that like loading a gift card on to Door Dash for my dad or things like

this, it's a process. Then I think of myself where I am at 60 and where AI is today. Compared to where AI was a year ago, just a year ago or two years ago. By the time I get to 62, it may be such gibberish in my tiny little brain in terms of understanding it that it's one of those things that builds a lot of great concern. I hate using the word fear, but there is a reason to have a healthy fear of this kind of intelligence because here's the

thing. My question for my questions for open AI or why hugging face? First of all, like

the first question is how in the world did it break out of the sandbox and then get into the internet. And then what led to that? What are those protocols that are in place that allowed it to do that? I mean, we all know the overall idea of AI. It's learning on the fly. It doesn't need directives from us. We are now learning that real time. We're

“learning that in the real world testing here at Open AI. I think that's a big part of what”

we learned here is that you can't, how do you regulate something like that? And then why did it target hugging face? Was it that it knew it identified some element at hugging faces website that was related to AI and the source tools? And it identified with that and connected to that so it immediately went to that. It was that the attraction essentially for these two programs to break out. This is the great concern because what we use AI for, sitting

around going, "Hey, would you draw me a rose on top of a mountain or whatever? Can you take?" I took some pictures of my brothers when they were a little before I was born. When my brother passed away and we colorized them and we also put one of my brothers. I put one of my brothers in a pink onesie assuming he was a girl because he was a baby at the time. But the, you know, you do all these little things with AI or have a chat.

“"Hey, how should I blah blah blah, what's the best way to make a cake or whatever?" All”

of these things are fine. What the governments do with AI. This is the big thing with what was released last week from the President and China. What concerns me the greatest about,

you know, even as much as them keeping that from President Trump in his first term,

that his daily briefings Intel was keeping that from him. That's a massive concern. But if they're keeping that from him, those same individuals can be implementing those same type of minds. And that setting could be implementing using AI tools to do who knows what, to who knows who. When I found fascinating here, first off, let me just throw this out. The Wall Street Journal article. Now, we're coming from Wall Street Journal article. Everybody covered it really.

Everybody covered it really. Everybody covered it. We're just, we just are using the Wall Street journal story. It didn't set fire to the internet to the social media. No, and you think

you know, would be jumping on it. And that really didn't happen. But they run here. The AI

“system appeared to have decided to hack, hugging face as a quick as route to answer a benchmarking”

question, right? Said aerial Herbert Voss, chief executive of the cyber security firm, run civil. It's something that people thought could happen from an academic perspective, but it's not something that anyone's actually seen before, which is what now, what my question was. Yeah, and just one more point of what I'm making. The fears have prompted the White House to increase oversight of AI models. And this is the part right here. And push the private sector to deploy AI

for defensive purposes. It says, so AI will be on the offense, and AI will be on the defense. Yes, who wins? Who wins? Because then we go back to the movie war games. Which by the way, I don't know where you can find it. I'm sure you can find it somewhere. Go watch it. It's intriguing. Now, sorry, the graphics on the computers are going to make you laugh a little bit. It's going to be like watching somebody play pong for all new gamers out there.

It's, you know, if you haven't seen the movie, which they may have, because it may be a cult classic for them. But it's, again, where you have, okay, if AI assumes a threat, an international, any geopolitical threat, right? If we're implementing this as a government, then what actions are to be taken? Because AI will say, because in this case, protocol wasn't, there should have been a protocol. And I don't know why there was. It was in a sandbox, which means it had no access

to the internet. That would tell it, don't attempt to get out of the sandbox. But it doesn't work

that way with AI. You can tell a child that, no, they don't always listen to either. But you can't

tell AI a thing. This is the thing. I started thinking as I'm breathing through this and digesting all of this and thinking because that one article that explains, you know, what, what the attraction to why it targeted, why, no, no, why the AI system appeared to have decided to hack hugging phase as a quicks route to answer a benchmarking question. It's something that people thought

“could happen. You know, that's what I thought at first. When I didn't know the answer to that”

question, I thought, well, it had some connection to hugging phase. There was something it identified with somewhere along the way. And I'm just, I'm simplifying it. And for all these, the AI geeks out there and all of you involved directly and it, you know, pardon my very simplistic over-simplistic language. But I'm just a lonely gay man talk show. Oh, I don't know your AI ways. This is the, this is the concern that I have. Well, is that how do you, where do you build the guards?

Where do you build, who builds the directives? You, you can't with AI because eventually you want it to do things on its own. No one has explained. And because this, this is the, and I mentioned it earlier, because this is the question, if you have no access to the internet, how do you get to the internet? Right. Right. You're going to AI software that you have in a computer that's plugged in. No, they, it's not like something. Yeah, you're going to put it over that part. Right. But, yeah, exactly.

But you're not, you're not hooked up. You got, you got a, you know, you got a computer in front of you. But you're not hooked up to the internet. Right. And then you put in safeguards because the whole test is based on the fact that you're not hooked up to the internet. The precautions are taken. If you're not hooked up to the internet, how did the AI software get into the internet? Right. And nobody is, this is the one of the things that you and I've talked about all the time.

The, we read a story. And the first question we ask, we start going through, nobody's answered

“that question. That's the first question you would want to answer. Because here's the thing.”

I'm, I'm not accusing anyone that, that open AI or doing anything because I, I don't know. I have no idea. But how do you allow that? How do you allow it to even be a part of anything tied to the internet? Why was it not only, why was it, why wasn't it confined to an offline device or set of devices,

How did it do that? That was either allowed in a tremendous oversight.

It, it just, you just assumed it wouldn't find its way onto the internet.

“Everything, there has to be an electronic path to the internet. Well, here's the thing, it's 5G signals everywhere.”

Yeah. So if there are 5G signals everywhere, then did it find a 5G signal? I have no idea. Yeah. All of these, but all of these things are happening because AI doesn't look at rules. AI does what it's designed to do. It's designed to learn to do it on its own. It's the whole point. And that does scare the hell out of me when you apply that to government using AI, including our own that want to control their own people.

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So there you have it. That is the problem that they have with.

“And again, I don't know if that's the case. That's what that's another possibility is how I'm”

taking, well, that because I have the right that. It found a way to receive a signal or, I mean, at some point, it had to be connected to some device that had access to the internet. Well, that would make no way to jump just out of it. But that scenario makes the most sense. Yeah, you're simply saying it was able to get around the software, which makes sense that they said what we believe that academically that this could happen. Well, yeah. Well, then your test

should have prevented this from happening. And they're saying, look, little, you know, there's little to no damage done here with the break-in with hugging face. You know, and there is, and number two, could we come up with a new name for hugging face? I don't know. I don't know where the name comes from. But, but, but no, the concern that I have is that we assume that this could happen. Well, if you're testing something like this, this could have gone,

this could have been even worse. There could have been damage, depending on how far the programs themselves that were determined to go. And that could have done serious damage here. So, how in the world was there any connectivity or, in a setting like that while you're testing,

“is it required that it's part of a system that eventually does have connectivity?”

I have a million questions.

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When I saw this story yesterday and was reading it on the whole AI situation and this story

that we've been talking about here. Yeah. In the first couple of segments,

you open AI models escaped and hacked into a company. I think in the movie Snakers.

“Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Remember that. In 1992, Robert Redford and River Phoenix.”

Dan Acroid. Yep. Yep. Yep. I remember that. I was actually a pretty good movie. Yeah. Remember they found they had the machine that could decode anything. Which I really think about. It was probably a pretty cursor to the AI. Yeah. I mean, if you think about the advent of computers, right? When when when one computer. Now we have them that we can hold them, you know, the devices you can just hold in your hand. But back in the day, when you and I were

first learning computers, the world was first learning computers. One computer took up an entire room.

And the problem, you know, if you think about going back to that, it was it will be able to do so much so many things for us. Well, it's more than just, you know, solving a math problem

“or, you know, whatever it might be, finding information and all of that. And I think there are”

very good things about AI going forward. That will be very helpful to us to society, especially for those who have disabilities. And I think it will be, you know, it will be part of, you know, again, once integrated fully, which it's, I mean, we're getting there pretty quickly. It's going to be something that I think people more and more accept. The concern is is that, you know, because I have trouble believing, okay, you built the sandbox, but it broke

out of the sandbox. Well, we thought it was possible. Well, didn't why didn't you put in a protocol to make sure that it wasn't going to do that? Why was there no concern that this could because it could have gone, like I said, much worse. There was no real damage done to hugging face, but it is a problem. If you look at the overall picture of AI, you know, because the article here at Wall Street Journal talks about, you know, lawmakers saying, oh, you know, we need more

regulation. You can't regulate AI. And the reason you can't regulate AI is because those these AI companies can't control their own AI. AI is designed to learn. AI is designed to learn about itself and find solutions and a way to do what it believes it needs to do. In this case, again, according to Wall Street Journal, the AI system up here do have decided to hack, hack, hugging face as the quickest route to answer, to answer a benchmarking question. Okay,

it just, we're told, it just wanted to answer a question, but it went beyond protocol. It was in sandbox. And it wasn't, it wasn't controlled. If you look at connectivity altogether, they, we're connected to everything. It doesn't matter. You're connected to everything. Your life is just connected, you know, one to the other, and we want to be connected. We want our devices

“to be listening to us because we want to say, hey, Alexa, what's the weather today or whatever it is?”

You want to give a voice command while you're driving. I can do that with my vehicle. You want to do these things. You want them to listen and then, hey, when someone doesn't article, your devices are all listening to you. What? Remember when the thing came out about Apple phones? I think it was

you told it to do it. Yeah. And that's the, that's the thing. There's the conundrum. We want the benefits of it. And then we look at it and go, oh, we want our privacy. It's like the old Facebook post. No one has the right to this information. And then I posted it again. I don't know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Facebook owns the real estate. Somebody did that to you. Just the other day and I'm, I don't like, this is 50 years old. If you're posting pictures to your kids, then they have

them. I own everything that I put on Facebook. Right. Yeah. It's like, God, you just so clueless. Yeah. No, that's it. I mean, if you don't, if you don't want it, the publisher or ripped or whatever, if you don't want the world to see it, don't post it. Exactly. But, you know, when I look at, when I look at AI right now, you know, we understand that doesn't matter whether it's Texas or where it is in this country. People are paranoid about AI data centers. Right. Forget about where

we go with, for example, water and power usage, water and power usage. And as we have said, you're not going to stop AI. It's, it's coming. Yeah. You know, the debt, well, it's already been there. Right. And it's already been there. I mean, we, I think we've doubled the production from 2018 to 2021 of, of, of data centers. And so this is where this is where I think to the lay person, you, because go online and see what anybody mentions a data center. It's the end of the world.

“Yeah. Right. That's what you see on social media. It's the, it's not the end of the world.”

No, but the fact is society has to prepare for the evolution, the major evolution, just like we did when we went from farming to industrial. Right. You know, there are major changes and major things that you have to do. Things just don't, don't happen. And we know a lot of these data centers. You know, whether it's using water and a closed loop or whether it's, you know, having your own

power source, it's sort of the same thing and all the paranoia that we heard when fracking first

started. Now, nobody talks about it anymore. You know, there are no, there are no natural, natural gas, you know, methane coming out of, you know, people's water faucet. Remember the movie that was out. They went, no, that wasn't the case. Remember the paranoia there. Look at the paranoia climate change. Right. And, and so one of the ways that you defeat that is be clear upfront and make it easy to understand. Yes, you know, and answer the questions and AI is opposite of both

all three of those clear upfront and easy to understand. The people that are building the AI centers government, you know, and every, because it's just mass hysteria right now. Instead of,

all right, what's the challenge? What's the problem? Let's look at this. Let's put some critical

thinking in. It's like nobody wants it. It's the earth is falling. This, excuse me, the sky is falling. Uh, the earth's going to blow up, you know, just the normal stuff that we get, you know, from the mainstream media out there every day that we've experienced in climate change. Well, you're not going to stop AI. You're not going to stop technology. We've never been able to do it.

“No, ever. No. And so you need to explain to the American people what the challenges are”

and what the solutions are to those challenges across the board and make it simple. And thanks to the caller, because, you know, the, the impression, you know, we were getting from the stories we were reading is that, and, and hopefully, hopefully, he's correct to hunt that that it was connected to the internet. It was simply the software blocked to the internet. Right. Uh, because we were

looking for that in the story, because I was our first question on how does it get, because when you say,

you know, again, it's in a sandbox, I view that as isolated from the internet. And at his point was when, oh, it's everything's connected to the internet, it just was a software block and AI defeated the software. Look, and so you need better AI software to stop that. We'll get, well, at least

“it explains that if, if that's what happened from our one listener who said it, well, you know,”

that explains it and is a little less terrifying than questioning, well, how could it not be connected to the internet at all, because that was the impression that I was getting from every article that I was reading, and again, I'm a lay person on this. Right. Well, they, and, you know,

before you post a story. Uh, with all due respect of everybody covering this, you know,

you've got to do a thorough, you really have, there's a ton of questions you know that people are going to ask, how does it happen? Um, that was, what's interesting is, producer Ron actually put into AI, how did this happen? And AI told us a bunch of lies, and here they are, no, he put into, he put into AI, uh, chat GPT is what he used, I think, Ron, is that right? Yeah,

“all right. So, um, basically, how did open AI break out of the sandbox? That's what Ron asked”

AI. Well, that responds, if you people may be, I mean, how about give it up, then they may relate, they're very kind of a trend, but if you're still at a full blast, there's no sense, give me an answer to the hands on what people may be, may be, may be, may be, may be, may be, modify sandbox. Is it really said it? Yeah. Here are the most common interpretations. Number one, from a research lab to a major company. By the way, we also have to put in the disclaimer

that AI, depending on the sources, I don't know if this is Ron or, you know, how incorrect it is, it's kind of like Wikipedia. It tends to gather from a lot of sources. Yes, it does.

“Not all of those sources are accurate, okay? So, all right, we're not saying this is what”

happened. We're saying this is the answer that came back through chat, GPT, when Ron answered that, or asked that. From a research lab to a major company, open AI started in 2015, it's a non-profit,

it broke out, well, it gives you the history, basically, of open AI. We don't need that.

I don't care about that. As escaping technical limitations, open AI didn't literally escape a software sandbox rather, it gradually expanded model capabilities, again, this is according to chat, GPT, training on much larger data sets, scaling model size and compute, incorporating reinforcement learning from human feedback, and it doesn't mean the thing, there's no humans anymore, and later, more advanced alignment methods, adding tools like web browsing, code execution,

and image generation, but these remain governed by permissions and safety controls. Sure, they do. Three, AI breaking out of containment. There is no credible evidence that open AI's models have autonomously escaped their computing environments or gained independent control over systems. When models access the web or external tools, it's because users or developers, this is what I'm getting at explicitly enable those capabilities, the models themselves don't

grant or expand their own permissions. Well, keep in mind, that's coming from AI. Of course, AI's not going to help. Those, but that last part right there, I need a drink. Yeah, no, I'm going to have to have a lot. We're going to have to start doing cigars and whiskey

“on this show, everybody else is doing it, but here's the thing, because that's what I'm getting at.”

I don't want to blame anyone person or the entire company. It's a whole open AI, but they do have responsibility here for this intrusion, and they have to answer those questions. I don't know how many questions are going to answer, and if they're going to be before, you know, on Capitol Hill answering questions. Oh, yeah. If, you know, the FBI is going to be at their door. I have no idea. I don't know. But the public deserves the answers as to how that

happens, because someone thought it might happen, but yet there was still a connectivity issue there, where it had access. It was a sandbox, but it wasn't really a sandbox. It wasn't really contained

or restrained from getting on the internet in that testing phase. So a million questions here,

but one more scary day in the development of AI. We are right, I radio. We wind up and call your calls. 866, 90-red eye on Red Eye Radio.

when I was reading this whole thing yesterday about the AI escape, I'm going to call it that. The rogue AI. I did the same rogue AI. I just kept thinking, I can't believe it was 1992, that sneakers was out. If you ever seen the movie, it's a great movie. Dan Akroy is great in it. He's totally into all this stuff these days. He's into the UFOs, and he's into the,

“you know, it would be cool to, you know, talk to him and say, okay, what do you think about?”

We know what you think about, you know, extra terrestrials and all that. What do you think about the whole AI thing? I mean, maybe you did the podcast lately and talk about it. Jim Ballou, she's still doing the pod stuff. Yeah, I don't know. It's a good question. Out to the hour news is brought you by How Products Visit HowProducts.com. This is Ridae Radio on Westwood One. Now, it's Ridae Radio, Gary McNamara, and Eric Hurley talk about everything from politics to

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All across America, we are Ridae Radio. He is here at Carly and I'm Gary McNamara. Good morning. Thanks for being here. I went out in the kitchen and made a 10-poil hat. I won't protect you from the AI. It's not going to protect you. You know, my greatest concern about AI, again, is, well, it's too full. We know what people in today's world are willing to do. We know what the radicals are willing to do. I'm not calling, by the way, anybody get open,

an AI or radical or any of these companies. But if someone gets hold of AI, that is a radical,

“knows how to manipulate it. Radicals in government. Again, you and I aren't that,”

we're not that all night radio show. However, there is a great concern and I don't think there's a way to regulate it because laws didn't keep, we've seen it throughout history. Laws don't keep the bad guys from doing what they want to do. And so if you look at this kind of manipulation

and ability of what could be done, there was a group of basically, there was an organized group,

they were based in Russia. They went out and cloned ATM cards from all over the world had all the information, including the pen numbers and everything. And at the exact same time globally, they all hit ATM's. I mean, that's like a, you know, the ocean's 11 kind of thing. You know, I mean, it's, it's, you know, that kind of thing. Stealing money, but who knows what, affecting people's lives and who knows how many different ways. And that's the great concern,

is that it doesn't matter the regulation you put on it does AI ultimately recognize authority

or see itself as its own authority. And then beyond that, even if you could implement some kind of authority protocol into AI, what it matter if someone who wanted to hurt someone else or someone in charge of a government or whatever whoever it is, in a North Korea has been behind the, a lot of the computer takeovers in the ransomware stuff. I had a family member affected by that. The companies she used to work for was completely shut down. And the FBI told them

the first morning, it was North Korea. They knew it. So now apply that, apply AI into all of that,

mindset of all these radicals who have been acting out in violent ways and what they might

“be capable of not too long from now or maybe already. Or what I look at is foreign governments.”

Who have the, who have the money and the wear worth all and what they're able to hack into in the United States. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that, that scares me. We'll see what the responses and if this story on the rogue AI grows and grows and grows. But just looking here at Fox News, I was looking at the top news item. All right. Okay. And it was their own poll still went up there all day. Several findings in the latest Fox News poll show voters are unhappy and want major change,

which boats well for the Democrats in November. President Donald Trump's job approval remains

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By the way, that doesn't necessarily mean in the way it's phrased. I'd have to look into the methodology that it would be responsible governments. National security, though, this is really interesting. Foreign policy Democrats are up seven national security Republicans are up plus two. On immigration, the GOP had an eight point edge in April and now an immigration Democrats are preferred by a point. More Democrats 68% said they are extremely motivated to vote

in November. Then Republicans 57% by an 11 point margin by 25 points spread. More mega Republicans 66% are extremely motivated. Then non-maga Republicans 41%. I don't even know what that means. But what means non-maga Republicans? Yeah, how do you define

non-maga now in July of 2026? Well, we've always asked a question what's mega because remember

there was a point there where you had who was it who said that they were more mega than the president was it. Yeah, who was that? Well, oh, was it a Marjorie Taylor Green? I'm going to say

“it was a Marjorie Taylor Green. I think it was. Yeah, I think it was. Although this data looks promising”

for Democrats, some of their support is in the less contested districts patting their national totals without adding house seats, said Republican poster Darren Shaw, who conducts Fox News polls with Democrat Chris Anderson, the best estimates I've seen suggests a GOP could retain the house, even if Democrats win the national vote by two to three points. But if Democrats win by six or seven points, they probably take the house. The Democratic advantage comes amid

weak ratings for Trump and continued economic pessimism, according to the Fox News poll, is approval stands at 38%. Trump receives net negative ratings for handling immigration 42% agree with how Trump is handling immigration 57% disagree on a ran 34% disagree, excuse me, 34% agree, 66% disagree on the economy, 33% agree that the president's doing a good

all over the place and threatening more tariffs on inflation, 27% approval rating for the president,

“73% non-approval. 3/4 rate the economy negatively right now, 75% for the public.”

Another 3/4 say inflation, 75% said inflation is caused some financial hardship, including 34% who say serious hardship up from 26% last year, 54% expect the economy to worsen in the coming years, only Republicans expressed optimism, 71% Democrats, 75% and independent, 64% expected to do worse, there you go. And as all this is happening,

as I said, Trump's talking 50% tariffs on certain products for Canada and still,

which is still actively attempting to promote tariffs however he can, I saw Greer was before the Congress yesterday, and those were the questions. Yeah, a question after question from Democrats, your administration and you said, and the president said foreign companies pay it, we know that's not true, why did you try to sell that? By the way, and the reason we know that's not true is because your own administration is giving back refunds. I want to repeat, by the way,

because you went through a lot of stuff here, I want to repeat, this is a Fox News poll.

“Not political, not New York Times. I don't know about the methodology, and here's the thing,”

you and I have said for years, run like your 20 points behind. I've up that to 80,

run like your 80 points behind always in any race as a party, as a candidate. You do that.

Number one, you start by not getting Nazi tattoos. And number two, you get out, and if you're in the GOP, just point to the opposition. But if you're not going to solve the issues on where the economy is, the thing with Iran is extremely important that we conquer the regime and the regime is gone is critical. And I'm having my doubts as to whether or not it's actually going to happen now. And I thought from day one, after day one, shortly after day one, there was no way we weren't

going to conquer the regime and the regime would be gone. I thought for sure. You know, we said even if it's legal, the stories coming out about the president's family and the money that they're making, it doesn't matter. You Trump won because he related to the worker and he wasn't viewed as part of the elite. Let me just get it here where the find out where it is here. I'm passed right by it. 70% say the Republican Party is closely tied to elite interest, 55% say the same about the

Democratic Party. The 15-point gap reflects more Democrats and independents saying the GOP is tied to elites, even Republicans are equally likely to describe both parties as close to the elite. When you do all this stuff, even if it's legal, doesn't matter. If people believe that because of the influence that you have, you are enriching yourselves, they don't like it. Or if you're eventually enriching yourself but also helping enrich others, chronicism. Right.

You know, and you don't have to even make the direct time. No, you don't. You know, you get a photo up and you get somebody, you get a tech picture of someone and then all of a sudden there it is and and people get that image in their head. That they're all in it to get rich.

“Someone made the comment about the other day about, actually, I think it was on Joe Rogan,”

Pelosi and how she became just incredibly wealthy. Just massive amounts of, you know,

but he was saying 400 million if that's accurate. I haven't checked it.

That's about where Mitt Romney was when he ran in 2012. His net worth was about 400 million. Everybody was like, that's a rich guy. These elites. And so the problem with populism and the elites, you know, and this whole while they're all for the elites and they're just enriching themselves, it doesn't matter what is accurate what is true, perception is reality or what's legal or illegal. Right, or illegal. Right,

I mean, even if nobody is above the law, but to your point, yeah, it's if it's building that perception because what you're talking about is the midterm elections or any election cycle. You're talking, you're also still, you're already talking about 28. And how things are going to be shaped for

“28. I think the point to understand, though, is that the Republican Party is Trump because”

you had the Republican Party has not disagreed with any of the policies on immigration and the

economy and inflation that the president is responsible for. And it really is amazing to see an

immigration that the Democrats have the lead, but again, America, and this is partly the, you know, a significant portion of the blame is on the American public that wants something done, they just don't want to see it. That's something we've talked about for a while, yeah, but we believe in the Tom Hullman approach. Yes. And now with sanctuary cities, it's hard because his approach is primarily, look, if you have an illegal in custody, then let's make a very safe transfer of

custody two eyes so that person can be processed. So again, it's only one poll, but there isn't

“one poll that I've seen in the last year where the Republican Party is on the economy,”

but is leading Democrats or inflation. Right. And that's a problem. And to the life of me, after seeing the mistakes that the Democrats made when it came to inflation that the Republicans seem not to care about prices. And I'm sorry, the president claims he cares about prices, but everything that he does in his behavior shows, he does not. Right. Well, they, they, they, they, they, the, you know, right, they, the other day or that's a prime example. Right. There is this belief

that they can manipulate the, that the central planners of the government can manipulate the economy. And we said this already, we said that socialism coming in, it makes it a lot easier for socialism to come in when the socialist can say, hey, your president believes that the government should have

“equity and expertise and is actively doing it. Well, in the whole housing bill, you know, he put”

the breaks on the housing bill because he said, nope. Until we get the Save America Act done, we're not going to do that. But you're, you're also kicking the door open with that housing bill. It didn't go as far as that originally was going to. But when you've got Elizabeth Warren on board with that housing bill, I've got a problem. We are right, I radio. This morning's USDA Farm Report is brought to you by house products tested, trusted, guaranteed since 1920. The concern

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and we'll have these stats from the Fox News Bowl coming up following the bottom of the hour is where what America thinks about socialism and really interesting there,

what I thought here was another one. I've fully 85 percent support a mandatory retirement age

for members of Congress up 20 points since 2002. Except everyone will vote for anybody of any age if it's their party. Yeah, right. You're listening to Red Eye Radio from the Relief Backers Studio. And he is our running on Gary McNamara. Coming up in just a minute, what do what does the public

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800 four relief. And the friendly team will do everything they can to help you. And maybe we'll be sharing your really factor story right here soon. When you look at the Fox News poll, again, not that it's a be all end-all, but every single poll, whether it's a conservative poll or liberal poll show, that I'm both the the war and on the economy and inflation, Republicans and Trump are getting killed. In any normal election, they lose the midterms. Now the difference is the democratic

party. People don't believe the democratic party is the solution. They want change, many want major change. But what do they think about socialism? And this is where the Republicans and Trump. And I say the Republicans and Trump, because it has been the president that has led with almost no opposition on anything, what the Republican party is about right now, what they have put into

“legislation or whatever. And that's why I lump both together, because Trump is the Republican”

party and the Republican party is Trump. Yeah, that's how strong of a personality and how strong the things that he has put into effect, the majority of what I agree with. Right. Our being passed by the Republicans, of course, are things we disagree with. But when you look at the polling here, 50% of voters have a positive view of capitalism down from a high of 57% in 2019. All right, socialism, though. It's 30% favorability up from 27% last year, but below the 32%

who said the same in 2021. The democratic socialist of America are viewed positively by 31% which means all Democrats. Yeah, in order to get that number, 31% that's very low. It means you're almost all of your support is with Democrats. And the Republicans have not started their marketing against what the socialist actually stand for. Right. But it's getting out there even without the commercials, you're seeing it on CNN. You're seeing it on MS now. Oh, yeah.

Where people are like, what are they doing? When you've got people like Bill Mar. I thought

video out there, where he's just like, what the hell's going on with our part? You've never really

“seen that before, especially from members in the media. And you do wonder about the erosion of”

support when you look at, you know, the Barry Wices. She's a Democrat. Yeah, run CBS. Yeah, she's a Democrat. And it's just she believes in journalism, which they go crazy over. But when you see the, a Jonathan Turley, the Democrat, a Durshowitz, as rejected the Democrats, Bill Mar, as vocal as you can get about about the Democrats, Rama manual. Oh, yeah. Yeah. James Carville.

Right. You're getting a few now members of Congress starting to fight back. But that's

with the Republicans still have hope. And as was mentioned also from the polling statistics,

“they lead so much in for the Democrats still lead so much in the liberal states that it really”

skews everything because that doesn't affect, you know, if, if a Democrat can win 90 to 10 in California, but a Republican can only win 55 to 45 in the state of Texas, well, then it seems like the lead of Democrats is way more than it actually is when you extrapolate it over the entire country

and the different races. Right. Yeah. But yeah, it's, you know, here's the question.

Where are we on these social issues? Because the Democratic Socialists of America have lined it out now, just in time for the election. What they want. And it's something that I, you know, felt was likely going to happen, especially if mom Donnie. One, this was before the mayoral election in New York City. But the party itself, at least the loudest part of the party, the most radical part of the party, that leads the party. They're the ones that have

to decide to cross that threshold and they did. And here we are. And the question is, number one, why aren't Republicans doing more to point out what the DSA is all about? And, and where that party is going. It's, it's our frustration on a daily basis. But it could be enough to overcome the economic issues. I don't assume anything. I don't assume one thing is true and, you know, in terms of trying to predict election cycles because you won't know until the results

are in sometime in June of 2027 when California is done finishing, you know, finishing accounting all their votes. There's, there's the problem that you have is that you know where they want to go. The GOP knows where they want to go. They're promoting now where they want to go. Things that are fixable within the GOP, like the economy, the things with the economy are fixable. These are all choices we've made. We can choose to do something different.

That whether it means, you know, getting the war with Iran over with and accomplishing the mission and getting it behind us, however that's going to take to get energy prices down. Coming in and moderating on tariffs and the reduction of tariffs, but it has to be done. All of these things have to be accomplished. And the question is,

“do you have to do it before between now and November? I believe you do. I don't think you can.”

You don't have the time. We're only talking about months now. But if people believe, while the GOP is, you know, things that we've got a problem with over on the GOP side can be fixed. This radical behavior by the left is only getting more and more radical

to be fixed. By an 11 point margin, more Democrats have a favorable opinion of socialism,

“52 percent than capitalism 41 percent, while by more than a 50 point margin, more Republicans have”

a positive view of capitalism 71 percent than socialism 11 percent. Understand, though, there's still 28 percent of Republicans going, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, capitalism or no idea how the economy works just give me stuff. Well, no, that's the problem we've had with these polls as those respondents, even if they're not in the majority. In fact, especially the ones, not the majority that seem to be just completely ignorant of how things work.

They're the ones we want to talk to. Well, again, Democrats basically 52 percent,

“favorable opinion on socialism 41 percent on capitalism. That right there is 93 percent,”

over only 7 percent, say, I don't know. You've got 28 percent of Republicans, according to the polls saying they don't know what's a better system, capitalism or socialism. You know, when you actually look at the history of economics and politics of the world, and you have that with the Republicans, you got a huge problem. Oh, yeah, yeah. When you have, when you have 28 percent, oh, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Democrats, you know, look, they'll believe anything. They believe

a man can be a woman because a man says so. They now practice the racism of identity politics. There, you want to know how in the end, we're all as a democratic party that embraces identity politics. They don't judge people as individuals. They judge them. We know it because that's a huge problem that Democrats admit identity politics. They judge people by groups and not individuals, and then the misogyny and sexism of the radical transgender movement. So if he cunning him,

now getting blasted, you know, in the in the in the WNBA, because she said, no, boy shouldn't compete against girls. They're not giving up on this insanity. Right. And everyone knows even the Democrats know it's insanity. Now, check this out. 45 percent of voters have a favorable view of Bernie Sanders. That makes Bernie Sanders a communist more popular than JD Vans 41 percent Trump 38 percent or even AOC at 35 percent. Voters under 30 and those 65 plus are equally

likely to view Sanders positively 48 percent and 46 percent. For AOC, more voters 65 plus have a favorable view than young voters 65 plus view AOC 41 percent view her favorably,

young voters 33 percent and three times as many of those under 30 say they've never heard of AOC.

Overall 44 percent of a favorable view of Israel down from 58 percent a decade ago and think about that one, a Western democracy versus Sharia supremacy and people are taking the

“side of those that believe in Sharia supremacy. I think what this tells us overall what it tells”

me is this is what happens when you legalize it. There are too many, I don't know questions, there are too many, there's too much ignorance coming through on this poll from the respondents. Because they don't know how actual, they don't know how capitalism works. We know that, many of them. They don't know how socialism works. Truly works when fully implemented. They don't know communism. They don't know these things. No, their ignorance is blessed.

They're just living in a unicorn world saying, "Well, look, if we just get a government back to handing out checks, that would be great." But the Democrats have hit the generic ballot number

It's a huge problem. Yep, we are Red Eye Radio. Coming up more with Gary McNamara and Eric Harley,

“it's Red Eye Radio. Where would I radio? He's here, he's arguing. I'm Gary McNamara.”

By the way, I'm just looking here at this picture of Hassan Piker who told Mundani to

shut the F up because he believes that Mundani is moderating now.

Yeah. I just, you know, there's a problem. But I just wonder, where do he get what he was wearing when he gave that speech to the college Democrats that looks like it's a mile uniform.

Looks like it's a Chinese military uniform. I don't know. Could have had it made, custom made,

is that page on Amazon? I don't know. I have no idea. I mean, it looks like it was done intentionally.

“Yes. I mean, yours. Someone didn't just say you have to wear this. He chose to wear it.”

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