08-21-26 Part Two - The Cost of Fandom

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“And as we know, the cost of going to sporting events is up drastically, right?”

Since we used to go. Yeah, I saw somebody post the other day talking about the personal seat licenses and everything else in the cost of tickets. And somebody put, it was just as expensive when our parents were young. That wasn't what? What?

And the people even understand like in the NFL, in the 60s and the 70s, even into the 80s, a significant number of those players work second jobs. Yeah, they didn't make anything in football. I mean, not close to it, right?

I remember I always talked about it because it's always a great story to tell.

When I started going to NFL games, I was still in high school, 14 years old. My brother and I would go down to the old rock pile. I'm Jefferson and best in Buffalo. Okay. The old rock pile, now if you say in the old rock pile, the old war memorial stadium in Buffalo, New York.

Oh, okay. And what they call the stadium. War memorial stadium. Yeah, they call the rock pile. Okay.

Let's look like a rock pile. Let's put it this way.

“Anybody listening in New York, remember the polo grounds?”

This was worse. No, I don't think it was. I think the polo grounds was actually worse. Yeah.

But even though I never been to the polo grounds,

I've seen enough pictures of it. That looked pretty dilapidated. But war memorial stadium. If you've ever seen the movie, the natural. Right.

When Robert read for hits at home, running and blasts out the, you know, the lights and, and you look at that. And that was done. What was that done? movie 84 85. Yeah.

Somewhere there. The bills hadn't played in war memorial stadium since 73. But when they, when they filmed it there, I mean, you look at it. You think. You didn't.

I don't think you had to do anything. To make believe that that was baseball in the 1920s.

“Even the stadium, I think, was built in 1940.”

I think. 39 or 40. And I remember the joy, because we used to take our paper out money and go to bills games. Yeah.

The first one I went to was like 1970.

I think it was, I think we played Baltimore. And it was like $4 to see. Right. Yeah. And I'll never forget.

And that was the uncovered end zone. And when my brother and I decided one day, let's blow a little extra money. Let's blow $5.50 and go in the other end zone. Where it was covered with a roof. Hmm.

Even though we went to a game in September, we didn't care. The roof was the status. We're not sitting in those cheap seats anymore. We're paying $5.50. Well, this article was, it was a headline of the article about going into debt for sports.

U.S. sports fans spend about $2,000 a year on their favorite teams. Many find themselves in debt as a result. If you're doing per capita, that may be right. People who actually are passionate sports fans pay a lot more than 2,000 a year. Yeah.

Nearly 2/3, 62% of Americans have spent or expect to spend money on sports fandom in 2026, including tickets, merchandise, and betting on games, according to a new survey of more than 2,000 adults from national debt relief, a debt settlement firm, annually sports fans spend an average of $1,900. A survey finds with that figure rising to $2,224 a month.

I don't know how they get to an average.

It's an average. Is that the average sports fan or the average person? Because there's a difference. Yeah. I have not been to a professional sporting event.

Since 2007. Hmm. I was at the bills game when Kevin Everett, originally from Houston, was paralyzed on the ground. And they saved his life. I remember seeing that.

I remember you could hear that. Yeah. And he's okay. He's walking.

“Now I guess his life is really good now.”

Yeah. That's the last time. And then before that, I remember going to a cowboy's game when the bills were in town. And I'd gone to some basketball games back then. And some hockey games.

Well, the hockey games were free because we were covering them. Our station was covering them at the time. Right. The last event I went to actually was a fight. Was that the waffle house?

Yeah. Yeah. That was free though. It was, well, cost of the scrambled eggs. Yeah.

But I just, I, as I get older, I've just lost interest. And I'm not going to pay. You know, one of the things that really turned me off the most. Hmm. And I've talked about this.

And we figured out the reason. And it was when I would go, I would go like twice a year to a, a Maverick's game and get great seats. Hmm. And I remember they called me and they said, well, look, what you, we see you go a couple times a year. You know, we'll get you.

We can get you season tickets like up in the third deck.

Yeah. And I went like for 60 bucks a game and this goes back a long time ago. And I went, why would I do that? They look like ants. And watch that do me.

Yeah. I said, no, I get a couple times a year. But what got me was all the, the, the, wasn't even the commercialism or the ads. It was the screaming of the public press announcer. Hmm.

I remember being at one game and I went, I'm not going to stand. I'm not going to do what he tells me. But people, I was like, what? I go, stop treating me like an idiot. And I remember it was like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, not the announcer.

The public address guy would sit there and say, you know, all right, it's time to cheer. We would say it's time to cheer. Okay. Then he would tell you why to cheer, how to cheer and then chest eyes you for not cheering. Come on.

Come on. Why to cheer? Come on. They came back for shut up. I know what to cheer for God's sakes. And then I realized what the reason is. Yeah. NBA teams are mostly located in cities and cities are liberal.

“Where are the most important reasons from the earth?”

And where are the most important reasons for me?

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Jonas, digital and your side. Yeah, they have to be told when to be excited. They have to be told that the people that run the NBA believe the people that go to their games are complete idiots and don't know how to cheer. Yeah, okay, that's why I figured it out.

Yeah, there you go. That makes sense. But many Americans believe some discretionary spending categories are worth going into debt. And that includes sports. The survey found 20% of US adults would be willing to go into debt for their fandom.

For some that could be related to once in a lifetime opportunities like getting tickets to the Olympics or watching the New York nicks in the NBA finals. Even if tickets cost thousands of dollars. Yeah, there's people who are making these passion plays for their team. The cost of fandom has gone up as well.

“I think 20 years ago you could be a sports fan and all you needed was an antenna on your roof.”

But, you know, it's like, nah, it's not for me. I said, I don't know what it is since I've gotten older. I just don't have as much as much as I want my home teams to win. And I'll watch it when they get into the playoffs or something like that.

And I ignore them when they lose. They've lost so much.

“It's like, I just want to do any more if they win. I'll watch the highlights. That's 10 minutes out of my day.”

You know, I just don't. I will go and see my this weekend. I'm going to see some of my buddies who are all getting together. You know, especially after the death of our friend who actually ran the Buffalo bills backers of DFW. We're all getting together this Saturday.

But I mean, it's a preseason game. We're just getting together to get together. You know, for the camaraderie of it. And but other than that, I just have. I'm not going to pay with.

I actually know this one woman. I'm not going to tell you what city she's from. Basically a teacher. Get season tickets. All right.

Get season tickets. And then travels to the majority of the games that they play out at town. Hotel buying tickets on a secondary market. You know, which are just through the roof. Did you see that the most expensive.

It's a bogus survey because it was like the most expensive stadium. Now to bring somebody to see a game. A family of four is Buffalo. But they took the secondary market tickets on a new stadium. It wasn't.

Yeah. It's not. Yeah. You should go buy the rack rate. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. And another place for another team does does it all. And when there was a change in management. She actually went to the stadium parking lot and posted publicly.

She was crying. That they had let that particular manager go. Crying in the parking lot. Yeah. By the way, a beautiful woman.

Yeah. Her whole life. Everything in her life is about sports. Everything. Yeah.

Now I told you my what my one friend I went to high school with. He's completely a fanatic for sports, but he doesn't pay to go. He just watches it on TV. Because even he knows he can't afford it. Yeah.

But most Americans are willing to go into debt. Would you go into debt for sports? No.

You can't make it comparison because you were never really a big sports fan.

No. I was. I had seasoned. I've never been to a cowboy's game. Yeah.

Yeah. I had seasoned tickets. I used to go to hockey games. I used to go to NBA games when I was a kid when I grew up in Buffalo. But the Buffalo Braves.

You know, I was absolutely a sports fanatic.

“And for me, I think it's really interesting how it's sort of like,”

I'm still want my home team to win. I really do. But I'm not as invested in paying for it or watching it as I used to be. Yeah. I think for me music was my hobby.

So I've never gone into debt for instruments. Well, but you know something though. You know the difference. I would. I can't imagine paying a thousand dollars to go to see a sporting event and they lose.

Yeah. Okay. I just bought $2,000. They lost. I can buy a really good guitar for a thousand bucks.

No. I can go to a concert for that.

And I always come out happy for my concert.

Mm-hmm. I'm never disappointed. Right. Maybe that's in my older age. I'm looking for some type of if I'm going to expend money.

I want a guarantee of happiness coming out from that money that I expend. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I can't get it.

I can't get it. When my teams have, I mean, not the last couple of years. But I mean, for such a long time, losing year after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year. It's like, yeah. Yeah.

Don't think I'm going to spend that money. Right. And I will not ever.

I would never have ever paid a personal seat license.

You know. I think of myself.

“You have to be like either ultra-rich, but you still have to be that interested.”

You know what I mean? For the value to be there. Or even if you were a billionaire, because if you're a billionaire, really, you're in one of the boxes. Right? So, you know, you have access any time you want it.

You don't need to get the seat license. You know what I mean? If you're a billionaire, you're connected. And you can likely find your way to whatever game or even every game home game, if you wanted to, without committing to that seat license.

If you're talking about buying a box and boxes, 100,000, a game.

Well, that's what I mean. Why would it care about buying a $5,000? Well, that's what I mean. There's the commitment to the seat license. You know what I mean?

It's like because if you don't want to go to the game, you're still committed to the seat license. Well, but what they're doing is on the secondary market right now. I mean, when Josh Allen is gone, I don't know what's going to be for the bills. But I mean, you can sit there. You can go to half the games, and you can sell the other half of the games, and you make a profit.

Now you've got to report it on your taxes now. It's income. But you can actually make a profit doing it. My buddy did that.

“He did, I think he did it with, no, he had got his season tickets.”

I had season tickets, and then I left town, and I basically gave him to him. And then he said, "I don't want to go any more than he got season tickets." But he was selling them. Any winter game he would sell.

He would always sell to the New England fans because they would pay anything to go see a game.

And he ended up selling three or four games, and would go to maybe four or five games during the season. And he'd walk off with a profit every year. And even with the seed license, with the price of tickets. I mean, they're through the roof right now. Did you see it?

Did you see the controversy and made national news in Buffalo? And all new stadiums have it. They have seats and have obstructions in front of them where you can't see the whole field. Yeah. And it's just like crazy.

We designed it that way. Well, don't put damn seats there.

“And then other people, this is how reactionary people are.”

Then other people go, "Oh, there's nothing in front of me." Well, that's not the point. But it's like you're saying you don't have a complaint. We don't need to hear from you. Right, exactly.

Yeah. Your comments are mood. But that made national news. That thing's all over national. There's a near post, near times.

Everywhere was television station. Buffalo bills of a new stadium. And there are some seats that are obstructed from the field. Yeah. Wow.

My niece works for a billionaire. And she says that he and his wife get invited to everything all the time.

That they never pay to get into anything.

She goes, "It's kind of ironic." You know, that's the old thing. It's the more money you have, the more access you have. And I thought to myself, and she said they offer her tickets to whatever. And she's not interested in sports.

But they have anything and everything offered to them all the time. Just like we do. Right. No, I'm the only radio personality that paid for LASIC surgery. In the history of radio.

True story. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I paid for price. Not even a discount.

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Mark Cuban's like, you can't do this as idiotic.

“And some of the ideas are, Rotella was coming up with, we'll have coming up following the bottom of the hour.”

But what we were laughing at was Mark Cuban screaming about that it seems like, dude, you can't paint for Kamala Harris. You can't paint for the most liberal Democrats. And now you're screaming about the things that they may do. Wow. How smart are you?

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All right. So, this coming from three different sources that I will name. [laughter] Have you had an Eric Times story? Yeah, make sure you name your sources.

From the Washington Examiner, Wall Street Journal, and some of it from National Review. And it's all on RhoConas from California. His billionaire tax. Yeah. And just, I'm going to read you a couple of sentences from a variety of different publications.

This is from the Washington Examiner. California Democrats have not even successfully passed their wealth tax ballot proposition. And they are already admitting it will fail to work as advertised. That is just one of the takeaways from revealing social media exchange between wealth tax-backer representatives of RhoCona of California and billionaire Mark Cuban,

responding to a video posted by Cona, celebrating the California Democratic Party's successful endorsement of Proposition 40, a ballot initiative that would impose a one-time tax equal to 5% of a billionaires net worth in the state. Cuban noted that many founders of successful technology startups become billionaires on paper long before they have anything approaching the tens of millions.

They would need to pay the wealth tax tax in the wealth with therefore force them to sell stock, borrow against it, or somehow extract cash from a growing company. If this passes Cuban win on, you can benefit from investing in a multi-billion-dollar startup. I'm asking them to move from California first. If this ever passes, only idiots start up founders stay in California.

And then they were just, oh, they went out of back and forth. And we just set their scratch in our head, saying, Mark, you campaign for debts. Yeah, right.

“I mean, come on, you know, you, you, so please, where are you all over the place here?”

Well, again, what is it you believe in? Where, where are your convictions?

You know, when people, you and I are always suspicious of people to go, well, on some things I'm more liberal,

on some things I'm more conservative, no, no, no, no. Tell us what? Where are your convictions?

and I don't know how much, I don't have it in front of me, how much money he's given.

But I'm sure he's given plenty.

“He's given more than I have because he has more than I have to give.”

So your money's going to promote their messaging. Yeah. And you disagree with it? He was supporting Kamala Harris. You can't get more left.

She would have done anything. There's, I should go with the flow on any insane crazy idea. The interesting thing is this force, Rokana, this debate back and forth, to come up with a solution.

So Wall Street Journal has this one.

Last weekend on social media, Mr. Conna floated another idea. Allow the founders of these startup companies to pledge shares with the loan from the government to pay tax, he wrote, the loan period is long, but not infinite 10 years. And at the end of the period, the loan is either paid back in cash or the government assumes the shares.

“The government would make out if the company succeeds in terms of collection.”

But the founders of the companies would not be personally liable if the company somehow failed he wrote. Well, the latter is in true as others quickly corrected hedge fund manager Bill Ackman wrote that the founder could still owe tax if he takes out a loan against his shares from the state. And if the company fails, Mr. Conna later acknowledged as much, if the shares go to zero, the founder can still face a capital gains tax on the deemed sale basis is often near zero.

He said that's the real issue. Yes, it is. A more obvious problem. The state would be lending money to billionaires to pay itself. Yeah. This is just like what's going on with Mandoni. Yeah, exactly.

With the grocery stores. Well, you can buy cheap groceries because we're paying the tax payer. The majority who will not benefit from this are paying huge sums of money. So you can get something a little bit cheaper. Well, since that may cause a problem with the private supermarkets, this is what came out yesterday.

One of his head of economic development, him out and said, well, you know, we're going to have grants to help, you know, those private businesses there. Those stores. They had a back off on that. Sort of back off on it.

Right. Because we're such an outrage saying, you mean you're you're covering. You're admitting it's going to be a failure. And it's going to hurt the private sector. So you're going to subsidize and have, and have a distribution system for food that's going to be way more damn expensive.

Because it's not what the cost is for the person who buys that product. It's the overall cost of the taxpayer for the whole con job. Yes. And then because government monopoly has a power to hurt private business, you then want to give the money to the private business for the damage that you're causing

from your dumb idea. The same thing here. A more obvious problem. The state of California would be lending money to billionaires to pay itself. If the state doesn't receive any incremental revenue,

what the hell is the point of that? If you're putting on all this money to begin with to give to these companies, you know, to pay it back. And they can't pay it back. And the company goes under.

What the hell are you doing? Well, you know, it's. It goes also what happens if the founder can't pay back to loan in 10 years. The government could then seize the shares. Mr. Cuban said, I'm sure the investors in those companies will be thrilled about their new partners.

The point is that the prospect of government taking partial ownership and control of a start-up would chill venture investment. I had listener ask us yesterday goes, I'm not really against. This is going, you know, to the Republicans and and and Trump whatever he says, I, you know, you know, about taking equity because I don't.

I'm not worried about it because it's not the majority.

And I wanted, I never got to ask them the question.

“The question would be, well, why do you think the government should take equity?”

What's the purpose of government taking equity? But the fact is the consequences of it are already there. We've already seen it. And the consequences are they're just not talking about minority ownership. They're talking about having a sovereign wealth fund where government would take capital

No, what do you do in that situation when the government gets involved with equity or ownership in any way? You prop up that stock because people believe that the government will not let it fail. Right. And therefore that has an edge over the private sector.

You heard the private sector by doing that. We saw that with a whole mortgage crisis. Exactly. You know, we've taken, take fanning and Freddy out of it. Take the bundling and those mortgage mortgages out of it.

And get it back to the very organic situation of lender and borrower.

And that would have never happened.

The qualification standards would have been higher by the lender for those borrowers. And you put people into houses that they couldn't afford. Exactly. With anyotic programs, including one called the Nina, the acronym standing for no income, no assets. What?

Just prove your breathing. Yeah. People getting negative equity loans where they, they work building equity at all. And not even just paying the interest payment only. They were adding to the principal amount.

They owed on that property without necessarily that property having any appreciation along the way. And you put people into bigger homes than they could afford.

“Why do you think in the 50s when these programs didn't exist?”

The middle class had homes, but they were only 800 to 1,000 square feet. Yeah. All the homes and the suburbs that I grew up in. Yep. Strangely small homes.

Government wasn't giving free money. Are you to get a home that you couldn't afford?

You know, the, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the con games are always there.

You know, I want to, let me play this audio cut here because this is from Besson yesterday. This is on more, this is BS BS from Besson. And this was the question that was asked. Target received $1 billion for the tariffs, for example. What does it say about the amount of Chinese goods and foreign made goods that are retailers are still selling the United States?

The United States, Besson tried to BS as he got pounded by Trump supporters, who said stop this. Yeah. Stop the BS. Here we go. Listen to BS Besson.

Mr. Secretary, target received a $1 billion refund for tariffs.

“What does that say about the size besides the fact that it was done so quickly?”

Initially, the refund, but was it say about the amount of Chinese made goods and foreign made goods that are retailers are still selling the United States?

Yeah, well, what, what it says is that the democratic attorney generals who filed a ridiculous lawsuit against this administration, one of the money to go back to the pair of record. So that is corporate welfare. The American people had that money. And if I hear another democratic legislator, make the name remark.

The American people should get the money. The American people had the money in the U.S. Treasury, and we were forced to give it back. But the using the 301s, which is survived. Okay, that's right there was the BS. The American people didn't have the money.

They had the money. They paid for it in tariffs. And then it went to the U.S. Treasury. Don't BS like they got pounded by conservatives and Trump supporters saying, I'm a Trump supporter. Stop this.

Trump's stop trying to sell us this line of crap. But when you get involved in the means of production by taking capital in the government, even if you believe the intention is good. You got to BS the people because when the results don't give you what you want, you have no other choice.

But to BS. And when you say, or the money's in the Treasury, no, no, no. Where did the money come from? Individuals. You're leaving out the biggest part of the math like the left does.

Don't do that. Yeah, don't do that. Individuals. Individuals having money is not the same thing as it being in the U.S. Treasury. Right.

Stop the BS best. You're not good at it.

“Well, you know, remember, he went on the talk shows saying, look if they decide that this money has to be given back.”

This is going to cost us blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So now he's out of the trail railing against that. No, no.

Yeah. How did it come to be?

“Include the entire equation or stop talking.”

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I'm really interested to see that Seattle Times reporter who left the Seattle Times. He resigned because they would not write his column. He's a columnist. They would not write. They would not release his column on those two young girls that were wearing the XXXY shirts.

And the whole point was you can be the column was about his opinion, a communist. We got enough of that opinion. A columnist saying you can still believe that women should only play women's sports without hating anybody. Yeah. They wouldn't allow it to be printed.

Now, he's going to be all over the place. I think he was already on Fox. Yeah, I think it was. He's going to be all over the place, making it rounds. Yeah.

“How many media organizations will come out in support of him and say what the Seattle Times did was wrong?”

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