Ep 1311 | Did John Piper Just Call for Open Borders? X Controversy Explained

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I am recording this Monday morning, a little denim to today's episode. The rest of which was actually recorded at the end of last week. So I've got a couple things to say in the light of the happenings of the past few days. Number one, we will be talking about Iran, everything going on there, all the considerations we should have as Christians, especially in light of our eschatology or belief about the end times.

Also, the tragic events in Austin, Texas, how those two things are possibly connected. So we'll be discussing all of that on Wednesday. I also just wanted to add some clarity to the subject that we're about to discuss.

John Piper's post with the immigration related Bible first.

So from all of the information that's come out over the past few days, it does look like this was not an intentional commentary on the new cycle or a reaction to Trump's state of the union address. In fact, John Piper seems to post this verse every year in accordance with his Bible reading plate. Now, you could say that there should have been work and iteration about the timing, the light of recent events,

and all of that, but this was not an intentional insertion of his opinion about immigration. However, the rest of the commentary that we give, the response that we give to those who do try to wield this verse to make some kind of liberal immigration point is very relevant, very necessary. It will be helpful to you as you're navigating these conversations. And the rest of the episode is also extremely precious. Last week, of course, we didn't know

everything that would be going on in Iran. Yet this episode is about the position that America is in and how we should be thinking about that and how Christianity plays such a key role in who we are and how we should think about our national identity and our place in the world. So I just wanted to add that, give you as much information as much clarity as possible and without further ado, let's get into the rest of today's episode.

CNN is releasing a new documentary about so-called Christian nationalism, where a journalist fear-mongers about classical Christian education and biblical marriage,

“but Christianity in America is not the ideology you need to be afraid of. In fact,”

I will paint a picture for you of exactly what it looks like when Christians refuse to engage in politics. We've got all of this in more on today's episode of Relatable Make Sure. You get your tickets to share the arrows, it's share the arrows.com, Christian women's conference, October 10th in Dallas, Texas. And make sure you subscribe on YouTube and you like the show. And you also leave a five-star review wherever you listen. All right, let's get into today's episode.

Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. Good news. God, the eternal plan of redemption is still as ever going off without a hitch. Yay! Woohoo! I'm so glad about that because there's so much craziness going on in the world. There's evil at seems. Everywhere we look, there's so much darkness and sometimes it seems

like the darkness is winning, but nothing surprises God. Nothing takes him back. He's never

wondering, gosh, how did you make this mess? He's sovereign over all of it. And every second of every day, his anger is handling against evil doers. Psalm 37 reminds us that one day, he is going to take vengeance for his people. And he is going to fight on our behalf and all of the blood that has been ever that has ever been shed by the innocent, by his chosen people will be avenged. And we have that to look forward to. It's really easy to think why would God allow all

I talk about on Friday? And yet we know that he's not actually doing nothing, that he has a plan.

“He is determined the day and the hour that he is returning and he will make all things right.”

That's a really good reason to be courageous. Two reasons. One, the day of your death is determined by God. Missionary John Baton, he spent years of his life being a missionary to this island of Anila where these pagan tribes lived after 15 years of his work in the work of other missionaries, the entire island turned to Christ. And he realized in the midst of the hardship that he had to endure there, the hatred that he originally felt from these islanders that he was immortal until

God called him home, that there is no weapon that could be formed against him. That would prosper without God's will. So until the day and the moment of your death, you are absolutely invincible, you are absolutely immortal. Psalm 139 reminds us that all of our days were written out for us before any of them came to be. And so there's not anything happening in your life that God's like, oh gosh, didn't see that coming, not sure how I'm going to avoid that. So you can be completely

brave. And then the second reason is that the day of victory has already been determined by God,

that everything will be may new. Everything will be made right. And perfect justice will be

“enacted. That's another reason why we can be courageous. So just remember your responsibility”

as a Christian, as a mom, as a grandmother, as a single woman, as a father, whatever station of life you're in is to simply do the next right thing and faith with excellence and for the glory of God. I remember the kingdom of God is mostly advanced through the seemingly mundane acts of obedience, the unseen and unsung acts of faithfulness by believers every single day. Through our boldness, through our kindness, through our commitment, to excellence, through the love that we have for

our neighbors, through sharing the gospel. God's kingdom is advanced. And what a privilege it is that we could be a part of that. God doesn't need us, but he chooses to use us. So we can be as bold as lions because we serve the God who has an victory and who has already planned all of our lives. And I'm just so thankful for that, especially as I look to the headlines around the world and

“some of them that we're going to talk about at the beginning. And the point that I want to drive home”

really in this entire episode, but especially in some of these things that we're going to talk about at the top is how thankful we should be for one the Lord, just that he gives us such a perfect roadmap in his word of the life of godliness and how we can find satisfaction, where we can seek through justice, what truth and clarity and all of these things look like, but also just in an earthly sense, so thankful to live in the West. So thankful to live in a country

that at least foundationally believes in the Amago Day. Believes that we were all created by a god who has given us an alienable rights. It's so easy to take that for granted, and to think that this is just common sense everywhere, it's not. I saw this horrific headline and it was originally tweeted out by someone named Liza Rosen on X, and it's a daily mail headline. It says, "Hunter is this is very disturbing. Hundreds of dead newborn girls have been found dumped in

garbage piles in Pakistan over the last year as cultural preference for boys drives more parents to murder babies." Unfortunately, this is something that occurs in all kinds of non-Western countries, and actually it occurs in America today. We just don't do it after birth. It doesn't typically happen in this way. It happens via abortion, it happens via eugenics, some people use the

IVF process to decide which gender they want to give birth to first, so this is a very prevalent

practice that happens all over the world. Now, when we read something like this, our first instinct is that is barbarism. It sounds a lot like the one-child policy that happened in the 20th century in China. The boys were preferred over girls, but if you had more than one-child, you had to kill your child. Even if it was eighth, ninth month of pregnancy, even if it was after birth, commit and fantasize. And if you've heard me talk it all about this book by a historian named Owen Baki,

then you know what I'm talking about when I say exposure hills. Exposure hills were these places in ancient pagan Rome where newborn unwanted babies were placed outside of the city limits to die by exposure, to the elements to wild animals. This was a very prevalent, well-documented practice in the ancient world because children weren't seen as full humans. They didn't possess what the ancient Greek scholars had the time called the logos, and that is the ability to reason

as on the level of animals and barbarians. And so, mistreatment of them, whether it's a sexualization

“of them, they were very often sold into prostitution, using them for child labor, or killing”

them outright in or outside of the womb was done without moral quail whatsoever. In fact, there is like a scholarly philosophical justification for doing that. But Owen Baki chronicles the change in culture and the change in the perspective on children 2000 years ago, and he attributes this change of perspective to Christians. Now this concept of the Amago Day already existed with the Hebrews, with the Israelites, Genesis 1 says they got made us in his image.

But Christians popularized this idea, and it was a radical concept at the time that none of the

scholars and even the religious pagans of the time believed, or even had the words to conceptualize,

that all people have equal worth because they are people. Not based on their status, not based on

“whether they are slave or free, not based on their income, not based on their gender, not based”

on their age, not based on their intellect, not based on their political position, but just because they are people. No one aside from the Hebrews believed that at the time. No one aside from the Hebrews that we know of had any issue whatsoever with child sacrifice. It was God and His people that were distinct. And then when Christians came along about 2000 years ago, who were evangelistic in their faith, who weren't just Jews, but also Gentiles, who were converts, who were going into

the pagan world and saying, "Actually, this child sacrifice that you're doing is not okay,

actually, all people have equal worth because of the among God, because we're created by God, the one God, actually, all of us are equally dead in sin apart from Christ, but all of us can be

“made alive in Christ, by grace through faith, this radically equalizing message that Christians”

preached wherever they went, eventually changed how the world saw people. Because these Christians, they worshiped a God that was so unlike the Roman and Greek gods of the time. When this person that they called God, this Jesus of Nazareth came to earth, he came to earth as an embryo, he was heralded by the cakes of an unborn John the Baptist, he was worshiped as a newborn by the angels and by the wise men, and against the protestation of His disciples that let the

little children come to me, such as these belong the kingdom of heaven, that was the completely unheard of in the pagan world and even among the Jewish religious scholars at the time and unheard of perspective on children and certainly an unheard of perspective on the divine. And these persistent and very strange Christians over time, everywhere they went, as they preached the gospel, they said, "The child sacrifice will end now. The child sexualization

will end now. The oppression of the poor and the sick and of women will end now." And so they built the hospitals, they created the orphanages, they built the churches that had these found lien wheels, where parents of an unwanted child or a child that they couldn't care for, they'd be placed in these wheels and there would be Christians on the other side of the wall to turn the wheel and to catch the baby and to care for the baby and to make sure the baby was adopted by loving

parents and eventually these exposure hills and the pagan ancient world were stigmatized and eventually they were criminalized, this took decades and then centuries, but over time Christians changed the game for children, changed how the world saw people. And we so take this for granted and the last today. We think that everyone kind of believed this, like everyone has more compassion for children. Everyone has this view of the poor or the view of the sick, this instinct that even

liberals have, those who are pro-obortion, there's a cognitive dissonance there, but even they would say, they have extra compassion for vulnerable kids, they have extra compassion for the elderly or the sick. That's kind of our instinct in the West, but it's not based on human nature. It's based on the Western conscience that was forged specifically by Christians, Christians changed the game. And when you don't have Christianity as your foundation, all kinds of moral atrocities

especially against the powerless are justified. So what we see in Pakistan, what we've seen in China, what we see in the Middle East today, that we know is disgusting and is depraved and is demonic is not seen that way in most of the world today. Because most of the world does not measure the

And when you're worth as a human being is judged by this arbitrary superficial criteria,

“then you get a Holocaust. You get widespread abortion. You get killing babies just because they're”

unwanted. So I just want us to realize that what we still have is fragile is it might be in America. We still have the vestiges of a Christian conscience in the West. And I do believe it is up to Christians too preserve that as much as possible. It's not about Christo fascism. It's not about building a theocracy in which people are forced to be Christians. It's literally just about loving our neighbor. And if God's ways are better, like if God is the creator and he's the authority over all of it,

and he is the boss when it comes to what's right and what's wrong, what's justice and what's not, then of course we want our policies to conform to that because we love people. And if God is love

first John 4-8, the most loving thing we can do and even our laws can do is agree with him

“and agree with what he thinks about life and people and worth and the Amago Day.”

Christians, yes, throughout the throughout history. Of course, they were sharing the gospel. They were doing all of these things, but they were necessarily and by definition, by nature, I should say culture warriors, maybe not on purpose, but they were infusing the culture with this counter-cultural radical belief about human beings. And we in America here today have the same responsibility. We'll get more into this in just a second. Let me pause and tell you about our

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And it's showing what's happening in Bangladesh, which is largely Islamic community there. And that's the same thing with Pakistan, by the way. This is not only a problem, what I'm about to show you and what we were just talking about in Islamic countries. It's a problem in lots of countries, Hindu countries, Buddhist countries, pagan countries, but it's especially prevalent in Islam because Islam has such a diametrically opposed view of human worth and women and children and

other responsibility to righteousness and things like that. But in Bangladesh, this is a report, something that's going on here. And I'll just play you. I don't have to

play the sound, but I'll describe it for you. It's basically like a dummy of a woman and she's

hanging by a news in what looks like the town square and she's wearing this dummy as like wearing female garb. And over the head of this dummy is like a black, a black hood. And then men are taking turns violently beating this dummy that is supposed to be like a woman and apparently they're practicing. Like they have flip flops and shoes in their hand. They're hitting her, kicking her again, not a real person as much as violently as they possibly can. They're filming it

and they're laughing about it. And this is apparently supposed to be protesting women being given additional rights in the country, which of course in these Islamic countries women don't really have rights because they're not seen as full people. What is interesting about this and this is the comment that I made on access that not a single, I don't think you can correct me if I'm wrong,

country. If these men were transported into our country today and they were under threat of being

deported by ICE. Every single liberal feminist that you know would be protesting their deportation. We would have Billie Eilish saying no one is illegal on stolen land. Oh no human being is illegal we'd be hearing that from celebrities. Until you grapple with the darkness of many of these cultures that we are importing into the United States today, it's really easy to be in your gated community, to be in your nice neighborhood and to say oh no human being is illegal we should just

have open borders, if ICE get ICE out we shouldn't be deporting these people. It's really easy to say from your couch. But when you think about the vulnerable people who are actually affected by this kind of culture, by this kind of behavior, maybe I don't know just stop and think for a second.

“If borderlessness is the way to go, there is a horrible study that I so I think Eilon,”

Muscree posted it. On X and it was just talking about the increase of the sexual assaults in Britain. This is a huge problem and actually we had Ion Hursi Ali on the show several years ago.

She is a former Muslim. She has said now that she's converted to Christianity, which is amazing.

But she wrote a book on this, the pervasive problem of sexual assault in European countries because of mass migration of Muslims. Am I saying every single Muslim is going to commit sexual assault? No. But in these communities the rates of sexual assault are much higher. And it's not because these guys are just rebels. It's because they don't see it as rebellion, because their worldview is different than ours. Their view of human beings and what their

“responsibility is is men. It's not the same as ours. This idea of chivalry in the West and the United”

States, which I know is dwindling, but again the vestiges are still there. There's something in our American instincts that likes to see a strong man caring for women and caring for children. This idea of self-sacrifice as leadership, of using your strength to protect others and to guard the dignity of others that is a Christian idea. That's not just common since liberal classical democracy that is Christianity that gave you that. You take Christianity away.

You don't get that anymore. I'm not even talking about right and left. I'm just talking about what is true about Christianity and what it is given us. Now, a lot of people were mad, speaking of immigration at John Piper recently. Just the other day, he said, "You shall treat this is Leviticus 1934. You shall treat this stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you and you shall love him as yourself. For you were strangers in the land of Egypt, I am the Lord

your God." He said, "Christians know the miserable bondage we are all in. We'll John Piper got ratioed by a lot of people on X. I thought most of them were not rude. You have people like my friend Megan Basha, and respectively pushing back against him. Katie Faust as well, a lot of people I follow, who were reading this as an indictment on Trump or an indictment on Trump's celebration of defending our border and supporting illegal aliens. Now, I do not know if that is what John Piper

was talking about in the moment. If he just had this scheduled tweet put out, I will defend John

“Piper more than I think many conservative evangelicals will. I think he's gotten it wrong several”

times when he waits into the political discussion. I've been very clear about that over the years. He's not a progressive, though. He's just not a progressive. I'm not saying he's a Trump supporter, but he's definitely not theologically progressive and the man knows the Bible. Now, I think live in a Minneapolis and allowing his perspective to be skewed by liberal sources like people like Russell Moore, unfortunately, has led him to say something that are undecerning.

I don't know his motivation behind posting this, but I will take the opportunity to respond

to this mentality because a lot of people do use this first in Leviticus to justify open borders,

to say that deporting people is wrong, to justify illegal immigration, and to say that deporting illegal immigrants, including pedophiles, is somehow oppressing the sojourner. You see this

here was my response. I said, maybe we are all reading too much into Piper's post,

but for those who do use this passage to justify illegal immigration or are you against deportations,

“you should keep this verse in mind. This is a verse that we've talked about in its Exodus 1249.”

There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who's sojourn's among you, okay? One law. So if as liberals do, and again, I'm not calling John Piper a liberal, but people who use that verse to justify illegal immigration, if we are going to use Old Testament law, as our basis for immigration law in America today, which seemingly only progressives want to do, which is interesting. They're own little fun form of Christian nationalism. Then we need to look at the whole

thing, because there is no tolerance of illegal immigration in ancient Israel. None. If you were

a migrant, I mean, there was lots of different definitions of sojourners and foreigners and merchants just passing through and all of that, but if you were to live among the Israelites, you were required to be circumcised. That would be a good deterrent, actually. Like if we just told people, hey,

“if you're going to illegally immigrate into the United States at the border, you're going to be”

circumcised. So if we want to apply Old Testament law to current American immigration policy, that's a conversation to have, but they also had to follow the laws about food and marriage in sexuality every single one of them. We can also see throughout the Old Testament this principle,

and I just thought of this today. I wish I would have written this in my book,

but something that we see over and over again in the Old Testament is that walllessness equals lawlessness. So without a border, without a wall, without a barrier of protection, you get chaos. We can see this in the book of Nehemiah, how a strong border was a signal to the enemies. Hey, don't mess with us. Don't mess with our women. Don't mess with our children, because this is a symbol of God's provision for us. In fact, we read in Proverbs that a city,

or a man without self controls, like a city without walls, because you're chaotic. You're a danger to those around you and to yourself. Jeremiah 297 is we've talked about before. Urges the Israelite exiles and Babylon to seek the welfare of the nation in which God has providentially placed them, and we Christians are exiles on this earth, and we are to seek the welfare of the plot of earth, in which God has providentially placed us. And one of the ways that we can do that is to

protect our borders, because remember nations and governments and laws were God's idea. They were all God's idea, not our idea, because God is the God of order, and He created these modes of order, these spheres of order, and law and law enforcement for our good, because we actually don't thrive in chaos. You know that if you have kids, your kids don't thrive in chaos. They thrive when they have parameters, when they have boundaries. When they have a home

with walls, and they say you can only go this far. Yeah, they might be a wild child and want to run 20 miles down the road, but you know that your fence, that your boundaries of your property

“are for their protection, and so it is with us. Remember that God placed us not in a jungle,”

but in a garden. What is the difference between a jungle and a garden? Order. There are walls and parameters and rows in a garden, and we were called Adam, and we were called to work it, or Adam was to work and to keep it. And I think that is still true today that we are to make orderly the world around us, and one way to do that is to protect our border. You cannot protect your border if you're not deporting illegal immigrants, because you are incentivizing lawlessness.

And John Piper is a very smart person, and he knows his word very well, and I think he loves the Lord, his God, with all of it, his heart, mind, soul, and strength. So I don't assume to know more than him, or to be either than him. There is a disconnect, I think, if this is the message he's trying to convey in this post, when it comes to connecting the word of God to the political implications, my humble opinion, because as we have just talked about, immigration, and the people

we allow in our country, it really affects our neighbor, especially the babies and the women, and the vulnerable people in our country. In light of this, all of this conversation, CNN is warning us about Christian nationalism, and I want to respond to some of the things that they're saying, because we hear all the time. The danger is Christian nationalism, but the definition of Christian nationalism is so fluid. We've been talking about it on this show for years,

about it, and we just kind of like broke it down. What really, not according to the liberal media that is Christian nationalism, I'm not even sure how I would personally define it, but if you break down the words, nationalism just means that you want to put the interests of your country

first. It's not automatically synonymous with Naziism or fascism, but I do believe that we actually

have the Christian responsibility to put the needs in the well-being of our citizens first. Again, God created nation's nations, or like families, you don't hate your family just because, or you don't hate your neighbors just because you lock your doors and you live inside a house, you just love your family, and God has created these circles of affection and circles of priority for us for our good, especially for the good of children again. But I think that's true of

“Zimbabwe as well of China, everyone should put their country first, so that's how I would define”

nationalism, like in comparison to globalism, which is what we're going to have a global government, and we're trying to prioritize the needs of everyone equally, absolutely impossible, chaos, anti-k-ass, anti-k-ass person that can basically describe my politics. And then Christian, of course we know what Christian is, a belief in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and so you believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, you believe in putting your country first, you believe

as Christians that your Christian worldview should impact all you think about policy and politics, and so you could describe it that way, but somewhat describe it as theocracy, as trying to force people through law to believe what you do, to practice what you do. People somehow inexplicably would call me a Christian nationalist for literally no reason at all, but that is because people

“haven't actually tried to define it. So that's what CNN I think is trying to do, but of course”

they're warning against it. So they've got a documentary that is called the rise of Christian nationalism, and it's apparently going to air in just a couple weeks. The CNN anchor behind the project, attorney Ms. Pamela Brown, she interviewed Douglas Wilson, Doug Wilson is an Idaho pastor in Moscow, Idaho. He identifies as a Christian nationalist, and she said, quote, "the response to that report was overwhelming, and highlighted the need to better understand this

movement working to redefine America as a Christian nation." So you can already kind of see the bias in their language there, as if America doesn't have a Christian foundation, which of course it does, but she goes on to say, "In the home, in a marriage, in schools, and in government, this journalist Brown defines Christian nationalism as an ideology rooted in the belief that

“the United States was founded as a Christian nation, and that its laws and institutions should”

reflect Christian values." Well, again, I would be hard pressed to understand how a Christian could argue against it. I mean, there's no such thing as neutrality, so it's either going to be Christianity, Islam, secular, progressiveism. Now, I do think that we should have religious liberty. I don't think we should force people to worship a certain way to pray a certain way or to be Christian,

but if a worldview always has to inform law, because it does, every law speaks to a moral truth,

people say you can't legislate morality, of course you do. Every piece of legislation is a form of morality, and our worldview is going to be reflected. Like, Jesus's King can't be compartmentalized, just like the Muslim doesn't believe that their belief should be compartmentalized certainly. The secular progressive doesn't believe that their belief about gender or abortion should be compartmentalized, they're bringing the fullness of their belief system into the voting

booth, into their PTA meetings, into the city council, into their classrooms, into every public sphere that they occupy in Christian conservatives and Christian conservatives alone, are told you can't do that. Everyone else can, but you can't do that when you do that, that's a form of fascism. Well, this journalist pointed to the Charlie Kirk memorial service is a time of, quote, unprecedented alignment between Christian nationalists and the Trump

administration, and so here she is saying that, sorry. Charlie Kirk, a conservative activist and prominent Christian nationalist, was assassinated. It became a rallying call for those who believed in his message. The memorial service was one of the most potent examples of the shift in our culture that we're experiencing right now, where a large segment of American Christians are being activated by these ideas radicalized, by these ideas that say that they are the

persecuted ones, and that they need to stand up for Christians' rights. Okay, so I'll go

and back on there. I was also there at that memorial. It wasn't incredible day. I don't think

Charlie called himself a Christian nationalist, maybe I could be wrong by that, but people who

there, they're not just Christians. They're radical form of Christian, actually, that you should

“not be supportive of it. If you listen to them, you're extreme too. This whole idea to say that”

true Christianity is only true, genuine, Jesus like Christianity, if it's private and you vote progressive, is so dumb. It's so dumb. If you intertwine your faith with your politics, which again, every single person of every faith or non-faith does, then you are seen as some kind of extremist. And yes, Charlie did believe in the gospel, and he talked about that wherever he went, but Charlie was actually like a very big tent guy, a lot more than I am, by the way. And so if

they're calling Charlie, who is a moderate in a lot of ways, if they are calling him a Christian

nationalist, then you're all Christian nationalist too. So just get over your fear of being called that.

Browns on his skeptical, as she described a church community where women taught to submit to their husbands, claimed they were living fulfilling lives at night. Well Pastor Wilson leads a growing network of conservative Christian churches and preaches a strict biblical interpretation of various issues. His followers were taught to follow specific gender roles where wives submit to their husbands, and make me an a mother at homemaker their primary role. While the husband acts as

the head of the household and makes the executive decisions for the family. For my upcoming documentary, I embedded with a tight knit conservative church community in Southeast Texas that belongs to

Wilson's network of churches that women there are told me they're flourishing and they're role as

submissive wives. She's shocked. Shocked, I tell you. I love how she said embedded,

“like she went as a spy, like did she pretend to be a tradwife too, just so they would talk to her?”

Yeah, wives who submit to our husbands, I would say, are much happier than wives who don't. Oh, who's happy and like a power struggle? But, by the way, also those of us who believe in Ephesians 5, because we believe in the authority and an an an an currency of God's word, we also know those of us who live in these marriages with our husbands that we respect and love so much that submission isn't some scary word. Like it's not like your husband ruling over you

with an iron fist. It's certainly not having opinions or not having a voice or not having a personality, like it is your husband loving you and cherishing you and taking up this mantle of making the very difficult leadership decisions for your family that I am so glad every day I don't have to make. And so it's actually like a wonderful relief for women to have this leader and to have this ultimate decision maker, especially when you're in a healthy marriage where your husband respects your

wisdom and respects you and you talk through things together and you really do have just like this wonderful love and friendship and at the end of the day, like he is the one who bears their responsibility for the spiritual formation of our family who makes the decisions for our family. It's a good thing, of course, these women are thriving. They feel happy, like they feel relieved by that. Can you, of course, have like a really mean husband who is abusive and a variety of ways

of course, but that happens. It's not Ephesians 5 that is causing that. It is a nature that is causing that and as we just saw, like I much more interested to hear about the views of women that these Middle Eastern migrants that we have been importing into our country and into the West, like, how does that affect marriage? Like, how about a little expose on some of the female genital mutilation that's happening in places like Minneapolis because of the high concentration

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And I'll tell you what I think about that mistake in completion in just a second.

But here is what this group of deconstructing women had to say about the quote-unquote patriarchy son 11. Do you have concerns how that lifestyle is being glamorized on social media? Anyone has an influencer trad wife is not a trad wife. It's a full-time job to put all of that content online and make it look really good. Also, you're getting to your choice. You're getting your own independent money. So the people who are selling trad with free are not bearing the costs

of trad with free. All right, y'all couldn't see it if you're just listening to this, but it says like former member of Christian Nationalist Affiliated Church. Now, I don't think that there is

like an official network of Christian Nationalist Church. So who knows what that means? It could have

been your run-of-the-mill Southern Baptist Church for all we know. I have no idea if these were women were influencers. And if they were really tradwives, if they're still tradwives,

“this is another thing just like Christian Nationalist that I think is misdefined by many.”

When I talk about tradwife, I've been talking about the tradwife trend for probably going on three years now, trying to remind people that hey, being a so-called tradwife. So the things that you're seeing on TikTok and Instagram about, you know, making sour dough and, you know, raising chickens and homeschooling your kids, that is not synonymous with being a biblical life. There's nothing wrong with those things. In fact, I think there can be great benefits to doing all of those things,

but that's not what it means to be a Christian. And actually, if it's just a fetish for some people on TikTok, which by the way it is, there are literal tradwives who dress up in 1950 stuff. It's like got a very sexual undertone to it. And then you have those that are really just influencers. And they're really just kind of using the aesthetic of it to try to get sponsor deals and to get brand deals. And the person who is just talking right there is, right? That is not traditional,

like that really is just kind of a grift. And people who do that who call themselves stay at home moms and call themselves homeschooling moms, but who are curating every single mundane moment and packaging it for social media are probably spending much less time with their kids than say the woman who is like a part-time secretary or a virtual assistant or maybe has an Etsy shop where

“she's selling stuff, like real buying and selling type job. So that, of course, is true. I think”

it's really important to know that biblical womanhood can be done in the middle of Manhattan. That it can be done in the suburbs. That it can be done anywhere in the world at any time and Christian virtue submitting to your husband, loving your children, prioritizing your home, doesn't have to have any particular aesthetic. And I had a lot of people who are in this camp, by the way, the so-called Theo Bros. And that thinks that they're like so tough and masculine

and all of this stuff tell me that I'm being a feminist for saying that. No, I just want to remind Christians that the Bible sets the standard. Not Instagram. I know. So crazy to say that. So yeah, I don't love the so-called "trad wife movement" either. But conflating that a CNN is with true Christian marriage, which has existed for 2,000 years. One man, one woman, the woman primarily discipling, teaching the children and the man protecting the women and children or the wife and

children and the wife submitting to the husband. Yeah, it has nothing to do with the "trad wife" trend. That's just what Christian, that's just what Christian marriage is. So much of this whole Christian nationalist thing is highlighting basic tenets of Christianity as if they are new or extreme. And conflating them with new and extreme things to try to make it seem like that.

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taking them all the way up to this premium court to defend what is constitutionally right, what is constitutionally true. So we just need to make sure we're supporting them. Go to join adf.com/alley to support adf. Join adf.com/alley. Brown also spoke with teachers and administrators at a classical Christian school. She interviewed David Goodwin. He is the president of the Association of Classical Christian Schools. And I guess she believes that classical Christian

education is a part of Christian nationalism. Now, if you know anything about classical of Christian education, it starts with grammar. It's like the lower school is grammar. And then

“middle school is logic. And then the upper school is rhetoric. I think I have that correct.”

And that kind of shows you what the foundation is of what they're learning at each stage. Now that they're only actually learning grammar, they're learning all different kinds of things, but it is on the basis of this classical model of education that yes is Christian in nature, not all classical schools are Christian, but these classical Christian schools are based on the word of God. But everything goes back to what is actually true. And the hope is by the time

we graduate that they can argue their way there, that they can defend what they believe. I wish I had had a classical Christian education because you really just you learned how to debate so well and to defend your belief system. And even math is intertwined with the knowledge of the authority of the God of the universe who made numbers and patterns. So anyway, I guess that's scary to CNN. And here is that part of the documentary set 12. What do you hope the graduates will

go out and do in America? Live faithfully wherever they are. You would like to see them in positions of power naturally. We're glad when they get there. And classical Christian schools

already have some powerful advocates like Secretary of Defense, Pete Hagzett.

“Okay. Like, what are we trying to say you would like to see them in positions of power?”

Are you telling me that you don't want to see someone who shares your world view in a position of influence and a position of law making? Everyone thinks that they're right. Everyone does. You wouldn't think the things you do if you didn't think that what you believe is true. And you believe that your belief is not only true, but they're good. And you believe that other people should believe the things that you do. And so of course, you want the people who are

making laws and who are influencing the future of our country to share your world view. By the way, all Christians should believe this because God's ways are better. And so it's not some nefarious thing out there. The Islamification of America is much scarier, is much more

foreign to us and has much more tragic implications than Christians just being Christians have always

cared about the education of our children. Like, someone's going to disciple your kids

“is it going to be the secular progressive who believes that you can be born in the wrong body?”

Or is it going to be the person who shares your world view who believes that Jesus is the way the truth in the life? It's really not that crazy. It's really not that crazy. Now, the question was America founded as a Christian country? Well, you'll hear a lot of people say that America wasn't that it was founded from a secular perspective, but that's not true. It was written from a theistic world view. It was not written from a secular one.

We can read in the Declaration of Independence that the separate and equal station to wish the

believed about the human being and where we get rights. And of course, we all know this. We hold these truths to be a self-evident that all men are created equal that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Now, of course, we also know that there is a first amendment that we are to have religious liberty.

We know that in the letter from Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist, there is this principle that the separation of church and state, but that principle is to protect the church, not just the state, and there is no separation of God and law because that is again impossible. If we look at the state constitutions, actually I'm not even going to argue this. I'm just going to show you Charlie at his best when he was talking about just this Christian thread that we see

woven through not only our own founding documents as a country, but also the early state constitutions nine of the 13 colonies were strictly Christian govern to your thought 13.

“You need to read the state constitutions for anything else. Nine out of 13 of the original states”

required you to be a Bible believe and Christian a servant government.

I'll 13 out 13 required a declaration of faith, nine out of 13 required you to be a Protestant except Maryland, which was Catholic, which still required a declaration of faith. And almost every single one of the original state constitutions, Pennsylvania included, they had high-professed Lord and Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior in the original state constitutions. So we remember where a collection of states before that.

Secondly, 5556 of the original signers of the Declaration were Bible believing church attending Christians. You asked about common law, so common law is inherited from Blackstone, who was Christian. A common law is an outgrowth of the scriptures. John Adams seems to say that the Constitution was only written for a moral religious people. It was holy and adequate for the people of any other. The body politic of America was so Christian and was so Protestant that our form and structure

of government was built for the people that believed in Christ our Lord. Man, we lost a really good one. But for anyone who thinks that this whole movement is somehow

“strange or extreme in many ways, it's just how Christians have always been. And I think even”

Christians who are like, "Oh, no, no. I definitely don't want Christianity represented in the public square." That is the historic anomaly. That is the strange thing. Like, that is the one that you're going to have to logically explain to me. We've got to think a little bit harder about the difference between just infusing what is good right in true into our politics and some scary theocracy. And look, some people who are in this realm,

who call themselves Christian Nationalists, I do not align with because I also think that they're silly grifters who like really pretend like they are on the front lines of some battle. And I just don't theologically and in probably some ways politically aligned with them. So I'm not even calling myself as like a member of any particular organized movement here. I just think that this fear-mongering surrounding Christians wanting to infuse our faith and

to politics is really, really silly. And it's a manipulation tactic against you, Christian, to say that you and you alone conservative Christian should not be able to bring your faith into the public square, but everyone else can. When that happens, when the Christian foundation is swept out from under us, bad things go on as we talked about at the beginning of the show. Politics matter because policy matters because people matter. Politics affects policy,

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Okay, before we end this episode, I guess I would be fitting to say, Christian, go vote. Christians, you should bring the fullness of your worldview into the voting booth. You should vote your conscience. And remember, voting is a decision. It is not. You're not voting for someone based on vibes. You're not voting for a Valentine, as I've heard others say before, you are not

tomorrow, then you are voting for the person that you think can best defeat the Democrat in November.

“Okay, and that's important. I mean, babies' lives depend on that. Justice depends on that.”

There is public safety that can depend on that. Again, policy makers matter because policy matters.

And so, who you put in power and how you involve yourself in politics really does matter. And

you might not think these local elections better. These local elections have more of an effect on your life than the federal election still. And so, just ensure that you're going out to vote

“tomorrow, it's primary day. You should have already voted. I'll just chastise you for a second.”

If you haven't voted yet, you should have already voted. You never wait until voting day,

because you never know what's going to happen. You want to early vote as early as you possibly can.

“I'm looking at everyone in this room. Everyone in this room, make sure Jacy's voted.”

Make sure that you vote. You will be in trouble if you don't vote. And this is a wonderful privilege and right that we could exercise that not everyone around the world gets to. So while we still can make your voice known vote for the best candidate that's on the table, the one that is most likely to beat the Democrat in November. That's my opinion. Anyway, all right. We've got a lot to talk about on Wednesday, so make sure you tune in then.

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