Ep 1323 | ‘Love Is Blind’: Best & Worst, OnlyFans Mogul Dies & the UK Needs a Pro-Life Miracle

of Christian marriage.

“Today, we will discuss also the owner of only fans has died.”

There is a lot to learn from his life, his legacy, the judgment that he now faces, but also the hope that we have in the gospel will also be talking to my friend Lila Rose about the decriminalization of abortion in the UK. We've got all of this and much more on today's episode of Relatable. Hey, guys, welcome to Relatable.

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They are all connected and I love when all of my subjects are connected in one way. Okay.

First, we've got to talk about the most serious, or I guess it's a competition for what

is the most serious issue that we're talking about today. But when you're talking about people's eternal destination and eternal judgment, I would say there's a lot of gravity that that comes with that. I want to talk about two men who profited off of the exploitation and women in children for many years of their life that they have both now died in the same week.

So I want to ask some questions. How did these men become heroes in our society?

“How should Christians react when wicked people like these people die?”

And how does the gospel inform what we think about abusers? What we think about justice for abusers? The first of these two men is the now deceased owner of OnlyFans. His name was Leonid Rodinski. He died this week at the age of 43 following a cancer battle.

And just a little bit about this person. I didn't know anything about him.

I never asked who owns the adult content site OnlyFans.

But it turns out that he had actually been in the elicit online content industry since the late 90s. He operated a network of websites that advertised access to hacked passwords of adult websites. So this is something he was doing early 20s late teens in his life. These websites often promised illegal content to attract clicks. These sites made him millions of dollars.

And then in 2000, his site password universe published a link claiming to offer petafiles. More than 10,000 illegal preteen passwords.

“Another one of Rodinski's, I think I'm pronouncing his name, right?”

One of his sites had a link for the hottest underaged hard core containing 16 year olds. Okay. So this is how he built his empire. This is how he made millions of dollars, not just through technology, not just through your run of the mill, depraved pornography, but child sexual exploitation.

His site ultra passwords promised a link containing the best illegal teen passwords. And it's really hard to even read some of this stuff. He promoted things like bestiality, literally all kinds of sexual depravity on these websites. Now, here is also another side of this is that he wasn't just openly promoting sexual degradation of women, children and animals. There is also a deceptive side of this because there's no evidence that these passwords actually gave access to illegal material.

Instead, the model appears to have relied on affiliate-style traffic generation, direct in users to partner sites and exchange for revenue. And so I assume that is how he has skirted the law. That was why he was able to die at the age of 43 a free man and not in prison. He continued working throughout his life within the online adult industry.

In 2018, he purchased only fans, which at the time was a relatively small subscription-based platform. There were 13 million users in 2019, which is already huge, but then after Redinsky purchased the company, the site expanded rapidly. It became closely associated with paid porn content.

I guess that's not always what it was, but after he owned the company that became its bread and butter attracted a large global user base.

It is the subscription-based platform for those of you who don't know where creator sell exclusive content directly to fans. It is very often, in fact, I think at least in the public conscious, it is almost exclusively sexually explicit content.

attracting millions of creators, tens of millions of paying users. It took off really because of COVID lockdowns, and there's such a lesson there about isolation and loneliness and purposelessness and how this leads people to seek fleeting pleasure in some kind of superficial companionship and online pornography.

“I think the thing about only fans that is different also, then just going to porn hub or something like that,”

is that the user sometimes feel like they've built a relationship with this person and it's more curated to a specific niche of an audience. And so you could see why a bunch of these lonely men and it is vast majority of men during this very lonely isolated time would turn to these sexual superficial internet relationships via only fans.

We have been using subscribers searched by over 500% to reach 82 million, and November 2020 only fans generated 400 million dollars in revenue, a 540% increase from the previous year.

80% coming from US users. The number of creators grew nearly fivefold to 1.6 million, that's 1.6 million people in the world selling their bodies for money. Ravinsky, during this time, he became a billionaire. He became a billionaire in 2021. He more than doubled his network to 4.7 billion by the time of his death.

“He eventually was making 1.9 million dollars a day from people selling their bodies, people buying the bodies really just images and videos of the bodies of image barriers of God.”

I mean, what a dirty business and it also just goes to show that money not only can't buy you happiness, we know that to be true, but it can't buy you health. And it can't help you skirt death. The success of only fans in its deception of its creators is staggering in the late 90s. It was estimated that there were more about 1600 porn actors, mostly based in LA.

Today, only fans alone, who's over 4.6 million creators, with almost a million new creator accounts created in the last year alone, meaning that over 2,500 creators sign up each day.

And these girls are lured by stories of these top creators. We've talked about some of their ridiculous stunts in the past, and there is even one who claimed to recently become a Christian, but then at the same time was like, I'm not going to stop doing what I'm doing. So, a little confused about that testimony, I guess, we'll see about that. But very famous women who get lots of Instagram followers, get lots of sponsorships in addition to the money that they're making from subscriptions. And these impressionable girls, teenagers, 20 year olds, think that they're going to be able to do the same thing.

They think that they're going to be able to gain financial independence in fame from only fans, but the average creator on only fans only earned $131 a month.

“I mean, one of the reasons that not many users are making a lot of money is actually, I think, probably because there are so many viewers of pornography that and so many creators for pornography really.”

Like, that's really what it is. There are so many creators now that democratization of pornography, if you will, has actually probably made it more difficult for the creators to make more money. But there are a lot a lot of people who are consuming pornography about 67% to 78% reportedly of US men report having used pornography at some point. I had to double check this number because it is so stunning, but I found that 87% of men between 18 and 35 in the US, 87% report watching porn at least once a week.

This is enabled just new levels of depravity. I mean, you can argue whether it's a supplier or demand issue, I mean, both are simple, you're simple for supplying it, but you're also simple for demanding it. I mean, I don't think that there's going to be a supply, if there's not a demand, you could say there's not going to be a demand if there's not a supply.

I actually think it's the first, like I don't think that there's going to be as much of a supply if there weren't such a high demand among men for pornography.

And then you have people like Lily Phillips, that's the person I was talking about earlier, who said that she became a Christian, I prayed to the Lord that's true, but she famously slept with a hundred men and 24 hours, she's this big only fan star. And now she wants to break the world record of sleeping with 919 men in a day. And so when you combine virality, which only fans does, and being able to make millions and millions of dollars, the fame, the success, the prominence, with selling your body for sex, I mean, it is just unfathomable to most of us just the levels of degradation that people will, that people will go to.

according to a survey of only fan seekers, 6% of respondents, self disclosed that traffickers helped create and market their only fans account. 11% were aware of miners with accounts, 30% received private messages from suspected traffickers, 34% reported negative physical mental health outcomes, of course, that's true. 124 warriors investigation, down that over 120 plus police complaints in the U.S. involved explicit content posted without consent. Case files as damaged by warriors, also cited more than 200 explicit videos and images of kids.

I can't even describe, I can't even read the last sentence, but explicit sexual rape interactions with children, all sexual interaction with children is rape and assault.

“Like, I just want to make sure that you know that, that's why I don't even like using the phrase child pornography.”

It's not pornography. It is the sexual abuse of children that people are making money off of.

So, this person made his fortune off of this, off of at least in, you know, the first decades of his career trying to tempt people towards accessing child sex abuse material.

He made money off of child sex abuse material, sex abuse of adults, the exploitation and the abjectification of bodies. That is his legacy and now he is meant his maker. So, I got more on that in just a second. Let me pause and tell you about a first sponsor for the day. It's we heart nutrition and this very dark world. We want to be able to support companies that are part of the light that are lights in the darkness and that are doing good.

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bodies and those buying their bodies that they can do these things without consequence. Just give your body and there's only upside. You'll get money, you'll get fame, you'll get pleasure, and that is exactly how Satan works. He exaggerates the benefits and downplays the consequences of sin.

And it's the same story that we see going all the way back to the Garden of Eden. Just eat this fruit and you'll be like, you will not surely die. There is some truth, of course, to what Satan said to Adam and Eve. There is, there was a new knowledge that was accessed by Adam and Eve when they ate of the fruit, a knowledge that at that point only God seemingly had.

The knowledge, for example, that they were naked. The knowledge that disobedience to God comes with shame. And it was true that they didn't die immediately. But what did Satan obscure? That the knowledge of good and evil would spiral into millennia of brutality and blood

thirst, that there would be pain, there would be punishment, there would be separation from God. That not that day, but one day they would actually die. That the perfect fellowship that they had with their creator and creation would end. And Satan does something really similar when he tempts Jesus in the wilderness. He uses God's own word to try to convince Jesus to bow down to him.

And he refuses to obey the devil understanding the Bible in theology really matters.

There's lots to be learned there. Temptation, when coupled with half-truths, promises of pleasure and satisfaction, and self-glory, when accompanied by loneliness or desperation or isolation is really hard to resist. The good news is that that's all the bad news. But the good news is that God is really good, that he is really gracious, that he loves us so much.

And he loves us so much that he gives us parameters and rules for our body that are good for us. Before the fall, he gives us the model for what healthy sex looks like in Genesis 1. When he marries out of an Eve, one man, one woman, and tells them to have children. Multiply, have the minion over the earth. Our earthly union marriage is reflective of the eternal marriage between Christ and his bride.

“The church is we read in Ephesians 5 that's how important it is.”

That's how beautiful it is. And that's not to say that only a marriage you can have satisfaction or obey God. But that is the only context where you can have healthy sexuality and sexual relations. Everywhere else, in Scripture, we read that we must flee sexual immorality. That we should avoid it at all costs.

We should run away from it like Joseph ran away from Potifers' wife. Jesus actually says that it's better to pluck out your eye. It is better to pluck out your eye than to lust after a woman who is not your wife.

First Corinthians 6, 18 through 20 really sums this up.

It says flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin, a person commits his outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you. Who you have from God? You are not your own.

For you are bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

“This Christian idea of the body as sacred is seen throughout Scripture.”

We ask that we are made bodily by God in his image. But then also that we have a Savior that came to earth bodily. That he is a manuel God with us. That he became a human or he took on human form. That he rose again bodily.

That we are promised a resurrection of the bodies. That we will have not only a paradise one day. But we will have a new heaven and a new earth. In physical, the bodily really matters to the Lord who created us. It's the opposite message, actually that we hear from the world.

And you'll hear from worldly people that is actually Christianity. That denigrates pleasure or denigrates the body. No, no, no. We have such a sacred view of the body. It's the world that thinks that the body is just an object to be commercialized, to be sold, to be lusted after, to simply make money.

Make money off of this guy, Ravinsky, just like all of us, he must stand before the Lord. He must stand before the judgment seat of God and give an account for promoting these things. And unless he repented before death, he will pay for his sins forever and ever. I mean, it is really clear throughout scripture that it is no small thing to tempt people, especially Christians to sin. I think of Jesus' words in Matthew 186, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin.

It would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Jesus said that would be a better faith. Think about how awful that would be. I mean, that would be a terrible, terrible fate for anyone. And he said, "No, that's actually better. It's better that you do that or have that consequence than what is actually coming for you. If you are the source of temptation for the little ones who believe in Christ."

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He is the Philadelphia abortion provider. You probably remember him.

“He is well known now for killing thousands of babies both in and outside of the womb.”

He killed mostly babies inside the womb but also outside of the womb. He has now died in prison at the age of 85. Sources estimate that 15,000 abortions were carried out over his 31 year career 15,000 babies. He was convicted in 2013 on several counts of murder that included the killing of three infants after they were born. Late term abortions that were illegal and then the death of a mother during an abortion procedure,

which he botched. I mean, it's not really that surprising that he wasn't a great medical provider. He didn't really care about the sanctity of life or the protection of his patients. Prosecutors in the case were able to prove that babies were born alive. I'm just warning you, this is really hard to listen to.

During illegal late term procedures, these infants were then killed after birth by severing their spinal cords with scissors.

“Staff testified this was routine and even had a nickname called Snipping.”

That's according to the Associated Press. The grand jury also described how babies would be moving, breathing, making sounds after delivery. One infant reportedly was left alive for an hour before being killed. And these are just stories from one person.

I testified before Congress back in 2019.

In favor of Trump's pro-life measures that his administration had been taking the first time around.

I told story after story of how pro abortion law had led to not only the mistreatment of children inside the womb, but mistreatment of their mothers and the abuse. And the slaughter of babies outside the womb, I told the story of this nurse named Jill Snack, who found this little 22-week-old baby who had just been aborted alive and dying in a supply closet. And he had been aborted because he had down syndrome.

Y'all, I don't even think we understand how often this stuff happens. This guy just happened to be caught. Investigators found that his facility was filled with bags and bottles of babies and jars of body parts. He cracked a joke according to the grand jury about babies who's next. He had just slept, that's according to the New York Post.

And so, not because of the abortions that he committed, but because of the murder of the babies outside of the womb, because of his negligence toward the mother. He was serving three consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole. I saw a user on acts that he posted that at the time, the media refused to cover this. And there is this picture that I guess was going around reported at the time of the press pool at Gossnell's trial.

You can see it right there and how few reporters showed up. They didn't want to cover it because they don't want to show people the reality of the abortion industry.

The injustice, the brutality, the violence that always goes on in abortion.

Okay?

“Remember that this guy operated legally for years.”

And he was enabled to do that because of pro abortion law. Because, of course, if you don't care about killing a baby at 20 weeks, why morally would you care about killing a baby who's a little bit bigger? A little bit more developed. I mean, really, time, size. We expect those to be good arbiters or good determinants of someone's morality.

We expect those things to have the power to place moral limits on a person that's okay with murdering a helpless child, of course not. And it also just goes to show how we don't have a good sense of consistent morality in the United States or maybe really anywhere that it's an illegal atrocity to kill babies minutes after they're born, but not minutes before that. Not months before that. Really, we're going to allow time and size and location to determine whether or not a human is worth living, whether or not a human is really a person, not me.

I'm not willing to do that. That's way too arbitrary. That's trusting in myself way too much. I think the safest place that I can start is believing that all people or people from the moment of conception and to just be on the safe side. I'm going to advocate for protecting them and not murdering them, no matter their size, age or location. So he made his money. He made his fame. Exploiting women convincing women, again, that this is not that big of a deal, that this is not really a baby.

Exploiting their bodies, harming their bodies, and then killing the children.

And in some ways, like this is always the logical outcome of a culture that not only degrades baby life, but degrades a woman's body.

Degrades sex is something that is not sacred.

And so these people really go hand in hand.

“And obviously, both of them have now met their maker and met their creator.”

And in the last there as repentance before they died, there will be eternal judgments. We've got some verses on that that show us really clearly. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murders, the sexually immoral,

sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

Galatians 6, 7, 3, 8, do not be deceived. God is not mocked for whatever one soes that he will also reap. For the one who soes to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But the one who soes to the spirit will from the spirit reap eternal life. Nehum, 1, 3, the Lord is slow to anger and great and power, and the Lord will by no means clear the guilty.

Okay, so the Lord cares about sin. He cares about the shedding of the nissip blood. He cares that his people are avenged. He cares enough to do something about evil and Jesus is coming back and will take care of all of it. But in the meantime, there is punishment for those who die in sin, who those who die without repentance.

Now, the radical news is also that if these two people on their death bed. Put their faith in Christ. If Christ saved them before they die, no matter what they've ever done, they are in heaven right now. Like they are in fellowship with the saints and the members of the household of God, they have been completely forgiven. And it's that message that is very confusing for people that yes, Jesus even took the punishment for them upon the cross if by grace through faith. They have been saved and we don't know that.

I can actually hope that because the reality is if we read some of those verses like in Revelation, it's not just this actually a moral.

It's not just the pornography. It's not just the abortionist. It's not just the murder. It's the cowardly.

“I think cowardly. It's the faithless. I've been faithless.”

It's the idolater. I've probably idolized something that I shouldn't have. Their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. So if I want grace for me and I want grace for the people I know, then gosh, grace has to be big enough to also cover these detestable people that we've talked about today. That is the radical message of the gospel.

I think of the thief on the cross in Luke 23 verses 42 through 43. And the thief on the cross said, Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. And Jesus said to him, truly I say to you, today you will be with me and paradise. Paul says who of course persecuted Christians, murder Christians approved of the execution of Christians before when he was solved before he became Paul.

First Timothy 115 through 16, he says the saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the foremost.

But I received mercy for this reason that in me as the foremost Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life. First John 19 says it's so simple, if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just forgive us our sins and declines us from all unrighteousness, all unrighteousness. So I hope that's a comfort to you, probably none of you hopefully fit into the category of the two men that we talked about today, but some of you might be feeling like you're too far off, like you've done too much, like you've gone too far.

Like, you know, it hasn't been a straight line from A to B that you're a Christian, you wandered off and now you're wondering if God can accept you back and look God's grace is big enough. He's big enough for all of it and he is the power to help you repent and to not be a slave to sin anymore. The gospel is for you too, and I'm just so thankful for God's judgment. People are very uncomfortable with the reality of how any eternal punishment and then you read about people like this and you're like, okay, well I'm glad that the bad guy gets his come up in at some point.

But also, I'm so thankful for the gospel that his grace also applies to me through faith as much as it can apply to anyone else who puts their faith in him. All right, we got more to talk about and we'll get there in just a second. Let me pause to tell you about our next sponsor first and that is Javadi. Javadi has helped me optimize my health until a lot of my sponsors you'll notice are about health and making me feel my best.

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They can't hear without sight of them and they cannot see each other. Okay, so they can only get to know each other through conversation. Participants can only see each other after a proposal. Now, not everything is a marriage proposal, I don't think. I only watch one season, but not everyone gets married at the end.

But the show follows their lives together up until the altar when the contestants finally decide whether or not to get married.

And people are talking about this season in particular for a couple of reasons. One, because of how one couple talks about kids, one contestant in how the sister really just come out like, doesn't like kids and talks about kids as if they're burdens. But then, on the other side of it, you've got this very Christian stable-seeming couple that is sharing this really sweet testimony. So first, I want to talk about these viral clips that are going around of this one contestant Emma talking about how she feels about having kids here.

I definitely want kids. It's like, okay, we've done so much together in our married life now. Let's put that love into a little baby. I want to find the right partner, but kids change the whole dynamic. Yeah, listen, I know I want kids, right? Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean I need to have them right away.

I am not a 100% yes, but not a no. I know a lot of people really want kids, but for me, I don't know yet. I appreciate you being super honest with me with about it. Thank you. I'm adopted. I do not know my birth family or if they're going to pass down any medical problems that scares me about having a child. Okay, so she doesn't know if she's going to pass down any health problems that she has from her biological parents.

Now, there are some people out there who would say, oh, that's totally legitimate reason to not have kids. I don't think that's a legitimate reason to not have kids. We live in a fallen world. I'm not saying that disease is a good thing or a fun thing, but our kids are going to get sick.

They are going to always potentially have something wrong with them.

We are not promised. Perfect. Like, we are not promised a perfect health for ourselves or for our children, and yet we are still called.

“I think to the selflessness of having children, if you are married and able to have children.”

She also talks about pre-cancerous birthmarks that she had removed to prevent melanoma. She didn't know how that health would affect her having children. I understand that concern a little bit more. To me like this perspective, however, on having children is really more about, as she said at the beginning, changing the dynamic of marriage. It is true that children changes the dynamic of marriage, but like in a really beautiful way.

Not saying it's not hard. It is difficult. Like sleeping glasses just difficult. Having another person to care for and think about is difficult. Your schedule changes, your priorities change, your energy level changes, but this is part of what's being human. We're so used to all of these automated, automated things, removing the friction of inconvenience in our lives.

“That I think that we believe that we are entitled to a convenience-filled life, and that's just not true.”

And also, unending and unconditional convenience in every area of life doesn't make you a better person. It's actually like the pain from stretching metaphorically that I think makes you better. And then also children are just awesome. There's something very joyful and fulfilling about having kids to love and to care for. But this really is a sticking point for this couple, as they go back and forth about whether or not she wants kids. You can see from the very beginning, this is really important to him, and she really doesn't know.

And then they go to their visit her family. So I guess they like each other in a lot of other ways, but then they talk to the sister, and then the sister has this to say about children.

I don't regret having my children, and I love my children, but if I got to the end of my life, and they said, "You can do it again, I wouldn't have kids."

Because there's a beautiful thing about living a life for yourself too. So my concern is that somebody who wanted this and is currently living it and knows how hard it is. If somebody chooses to have kids simply because they're trying to make a partner happy, that's one of the most terrifying thoughts. And especially for Emma, like, I would not be able to live with myself if I didn't say that. Oh my goodness, what a horrible thing to say about your own children.

I feel the exact opposite. You know there are times when you start thinking about maybe a mistake that you made or something that you wish that you had done differently. And you think about if someone offered you to go all the way back to when you were 22, so you could write those wrongs or you could make a different decision that you think would lead to better outcome. And how tempting that is. Obviously, that's not possible.

But the thing I always think about when I consider, okay, what I want to go back and make a different choice from the obviously bad choice that I made in some scenario.

I'm always like, no, because I'm afraid that that new route would take me away from my husband and my kids. Like, there are so many different details that God orchestrates in our lives that lead us to the people that we marry, that lead us to the kids that we have, that even if I could go back and correct every single mistake that I have ever made, I wouldn't do it. If there was a potential chance that I wouldn't have the children and the husband that I have.

“And so to not feel that sense of gratitude and preciousness over the children you've created, I think, is really sad and I think.”

Probably, it is the sister that is really influencing the other sister there. I mean, to see your sister say that, you know, she's not really sure if she would choose to have your nieces enough use again, you're scared of living with that kind of regret. That just goes to show how important it is to have people around us who affirm life, who love children, who love family.

And I know we can't always control who is in our family and attitudes they have, but it's really important that we protect our hearts and minds.

The things that we are consuming, the conversations that we're having, to protect ourselves from bitterness towards kids or this wrong mentality that you are entitled to live for yourself. You're not entitled to live for yourself and like you will become a brat if you do that.

“I'm not saying that you have to have kids not to live for yourself, but if you don't commit yourself to some kind of self sacrifice, if you don't purposely seek out sacrifice and inconvenience, you will become a bad person.”

Okay? God made us to deny ourselves, to work, to sacrifice, to do really difficult things beyond what we think we're physically and mentally capable of for his glory and the good of other people. Children, a wonderful way to do that, if God hasn't called you to that, there are other ways that you can sacrifice on behalf of those who need it. That are also glorious and beautiful and can sanctify you as a human being. So this just self-centered mentality makes me sad, dude, run, run, run, run. This is not the family you want to marry into, this is not the person you want to marry, this is going to be something that follows you for the rest of your life.

The true will always regret if you keep walking in this direction, okay? All right, now let's talk about positive part of this because there is a positive couple here that had a wonderful Christian testimony that I think is really sweet and just like really rare in reality television. Let me go ahead and pause though and tell you about my next sponsor before we get there and that is good ranchers. So thankful for good ranchers, America's turning 250 this year and so a great way to support America would be to support this American owned family owned company that supports American farms and ranches.

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I do I do love you right now I'm not ready to say I do. I want kids and I want to know that you definitely 100% want to have a family with me.

“I don't want to say yes and jump into something and then it changed down the road and it's hard because I you know.”

Okay I guess I can't take credit for giving Mike advice and him listening since this is already happened. But good job Mike that was sorry decision I'm not saying that Emma is unmarried or you know inherently bad maybe she'll make a different decision I just it's not even only the kids thing it's just that self centered mentality that I think is not going to be good for anyone and I really hope that Mike finds the woman for him. The first of all but then also a woman that he can raise kids with because that is really important okay let's talk about this other Christian couple so in one of the first dates between this couple the guy Vic mentions that he wants a God fearing woman and then the woman Christine and one of their early dates with prayer so seven.

Dear Heavenly Father we come to you today and prayer and ask for continued love patience and understanding and an eagerness to grow deeper maybe open our hearts and maybe open our minds throughout this unique journey as we further this walk towards the marriage. Amen and amen and amen. I literally wrote amen and amen. That was beautiful.

“That's sweet. I don't really know anything else about them or you know they're theology or anything like that but I just think that they that is a sweet moment that you don't typically see on TV.”

They were also a favorite this season. There's this subreddit called Love is blind on Netflix. I would never recommend you going on the housegate that is read it.

One unit is a remark that they are by far the best couple the season and probably the best couple ever and love is blind. That is high praise from read it. This couple was one of the only of one of the only couples to get married at the end of the season. Christine explained that their shared faith was really what sealed the deal during an interview with Kaylee McEnany. I was also on this episode with Kaylee McEnany and she was tossing to this segment and I was so glad to get to watch this so sweet.

“We've had a lot of conversation about covenant versus contract and you know and there is such a really true meaning behind that of when you have that covenant and you have that foundation.”

It makes a world of difference in the relationship like I've never felt so confident and so at peace and ease in a relationship let alone a marriage which can be stressful and difficult especially when it happens so quickly but God's been very, very present. Okay, that's incredible. I, you know, don't necessarily recommend finding your future husband or wife on a reality TV show because so much gossip and innuendo and temptation and sensationalism typically can color their relationship and it can make it really difficult to truly get to know someone but God can work through anything.

And I love that he really like coisted up a couple to hopefully be an example to other people and you never know who this is going to reach. Maybe someone out there is like I want what they have.

I want that kind of joy and stability and peace that they seem to have and so I'm just thankful for their example lots to learn today from our reality TV and lifestyle. Little Peter Pattern now we are going to talk to my friend Lila Rose about what the parliament in UK just did to decriminalize abortion. All right, last week I was so disturbed to see this news on X on March 18 last Wednesday the House of Lords in the UK voted to decriminalize abortion at any point in pregnancy all nine months here's a clip of that.

My Lord's the hervoted contents 148 not contents 1085 so the not contents have it. Okay, so you can kind of hear the cheers there and they have decided that it is legal through all nine months of pregnancy to allow abortion in the UK. And I want to bring on my good friend Lila Rose she's the founder and president of Lila Action to just kind of break this down for us.

It's absolutely devastating alley according to a recent poll less than 1% 1% of people in the UK want abortion to be legal for all nine months so how did this happen basically you know the British parliament is supposed to represent the people that's not what happened here. Last summer in an omnibus bill so there was a big bill that had to do with the police and had to do with criminalization and crimes and the pro board activists and parliament stuck in a decriminalization statute that would legalize abortion through all nine months in the UK.

Now this got less than an hour of debate last summer and it passed the British House of Commons and now last week it went to the British House of Lords and there was some more debate but ultimately they kept this provision in there which ultimately means you can end the life of your baby. Up until the moment of birth and there's no criminal penalties for you you can order an abortion pill via the mail you can take it at home you can kill your 32 week old baby this actually happened with the woman doing this to her 32 week old baby and there is zero liability there is zero criminal penalty for that so it's a very dark day in the UK and of course the pro like movement is galvanized now saying we have to put a stop to this this is not even the will of the British people.

Is it even possible for pro lifeers in the UK to put a stop to this or is it just the deal is done.

If they get enough members of parliament they can reverse this so it's a matter of rallying the political power and support.

“There are pro life members of parliament but the pro life movement has been really I think thrown to the side over the last few decades in the UK they're not really a fighting force yet.”

But I think that can change if enough people rise up and say we're going to band together to ensure that children are protected and families are prioritized and I do think there's a growing unrest in the UK about how the government is quite frankly handling governance this has to do in part with. The protection of women and girls in the state from great in the country from rape and from attacks that has to do with the lack of freedom of speech in the UK where people are praying outside abortion clinics or hospitals where abortions are happening and they're thrown into jail for that you've made a comment on social media that the government is approves of you go to jail for that.

So there is growing unrest in the UK about politics and I think people of good faith and good will pro life people pro family people need to build a fighting force like we have here in the United States. And believe that it's possible and with the right political will make the change happen that this that needs to happen.

“Do you know who is a part of the abortion lobby in the UK? I mean I just think about who would have the motivation to try to sneak something like this in without the support of the public.”

What kind of power do they have and who is profiting off of a radical change like this and you might not know the answer I don't know the answer but I didn't know if you had any insight there.

Well I know a couple things there's Marie Strokes International it's basically their plan parenthood and they're very powerful they're very embedded with the UK healthcare system.

I mean it's very much healthcare very very very very much socialized so the government has its hands basically in all healthcare in the UK. And unfortunately the healthcare system at large I think is basically hijacked by pro abort and that's the case in most of the United States. The difference is the healthcare bureaucrats in the United States or the heads of you know these healthcare associations are not necessarily calling all the shots for the government. In the UK those institutions are largely one of the same with the government so you have pro boards leading those organizations.

“They can call short shots for healthcare policy and that's what actually happened here Ali is that they said that this is actually a healthcare policy now instead of a legal policy for abortion let the doctors decide abortion.”

These pro board doctor's groups in the UK instead of let the law intervened to protect these children. I mean imagine if a cog which is our pro abort association for obstetricians and gynecologists in the USA was in charge of abortion law in the USA. But they would allow not just decriminalization but outright legalizations of abortions through all nine months in all 50 states. They're obviously is a dissenting voice. Calum Miller who's a doctor and other doctors in the UK oppose abortion. We have dissenting voices in the United States.

But now those healthcare ideologues who are pro aborts they're not really healthcare its pro death are now basically one of the same making decisions in the UK government.

I saw this professor from Georgetown saying that the US should learn positively from the UK's example that our pro abortion lobby here should shift from. I realize abortion through all nine months to decriminalizing can you talk a little bit more what you did just touch on this but can you talk a little bit more about the difference. And if you think planned parenthood at all are going to go in that direction. I mean do you criminalization and legalization is really one of the same right the point of a law is you need to enforce it if the law is not enforced.

And in the United States I mean practically Ali because of the abortion pill which is sent via mail in the United States and there's no law that is being enforced to prohibit it from going into pro life states where abortion is banned. We effectively have abortion legalized in the United States effectively through all nine months of pregnancy even in pro life states now pro life states have some recourse they can ban surgical abortions or abortion pills being sold by providers in that state. But if they're shipped in from a provider outside of the state into a pro life state and in abortion pill the state has very little recourse this is one of the reasons.

In the US we're calling on the Trump administration to take the abortion pill off the market which they have the full power and the right to do and it would protect women and of course babies.

But the bottom line is decriminalization is basically the same as legalization and that's where we're already facing here in the US.

Yeah and a lot of this falls on the shoulders of Republican attorneys general in these states who want to have the power to be able to go after these other states which they can't sue the other states for shipping. You know abortion pills or sue the providers in other states. But there's only so much they can do as you said until the Trump administration the HHS under RFK decides to do something about it and decides that this is a public health crisis obviously a moral crisis as well. And we need the Republicans to be willing to stand up and say I represent pro life constituents.

Trump administration we need you to do something about that which can be politically a little bit difficult. But that's why we just we need courage. It's really not about exactly who is in the White House.

It is about saving lives and it's not just the Democrats that we need to be holding accountable.

It's Republicans being willing to have enough courage to do the right thing.

“You're exactly right Ali and I think you do that so well on your show and in your advocacy.”

I had a meeting with RFK with Secretary Kennedy in January. Yes. And we sat together we discussed the abortion pill. I mean he agreed that it's alarming that the abortion pill lands one out of every 10 women with severe side effects. That one out of every 22 women land in the emergency room because of the abortion pill and it is the leading cause of death for children.

So 600,000 babies were murdered in the last reported year by the abortion pill. And RFK expressed sympathy for this. He expressed concern. It's 100% his jurisdiction and power to take the pill off the market. In fact, it's his job to take lethal drugs that are not helping people that are hurting people and prevent them from being flooding our market.

Our American market. So I'm hopeful he expressed interest in removing the pill if there was evidence that they could do their own study of to show its dangers. He of course indicated President Trump, you know, makes the final call for the administration as the lead executive of course.

“But I think that anybody who has a voice on this, which is all of us and certainly people in the administration need to raise the alarm bell because this is an action that can be taken right now.”

It would save hundreds of thousands of lives in the United States to remove this pill for the market and US policy impacts UK policy. A lot of these European countries follow what the USA is doing. If we're allowing these pills via mail, they're going to allow these pills via mail for the sake of our kids and the kids of Europe and the kids of the whole country or the whole world. We need to be doing the right thing and remove the abortion pill from the market. Yeah, man, not everyone out there knows what Lila and live action do behind closed doors.

Yes, she's got a public platform. You see her under podcasts and things like that, but there are so many conversations. I'm probably not even privy to only a few of them that Lila is having with the highest ranking officials in this country.

To try to save people's lives and I just think that's incredible.

Like all of us, we want these big guests on our show and that's really important, but you are in their primarily to try to persuade these people to save lives.

“And that I think is just what sets you apart when it comes to being an advocate being an activist is that's what you care about first and foremost.”

So I'm just so grateful for that as soon as you were talking about meeting with RFK, I'm just like praise God. That's who I want representing the pro life cause to those people in power. And I think all of us, whether we call it representatives or whether you feel also called to pray, we can pray for that change of heart that Lila's words that they would continue to ring in his ears and to seep into his heart and that eventually the Holy Spirit would convict him to do the right thing. So I just want to say thank you for that.

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“Can you talk a little bit more about baby Olivia because I saw that you post was it North Dakota?”

Yes, so now we're in seven states. Baby Olivia is this life like medically after animation of human development from from its earliest beginnings single cell embryo up until birth and it just was signed into law on the seventh state in the United States to be put into public school curriculum. So now depending on the state, sometimes it's high school and it'll be junior high. It'll be as young as kindergarten. And we're very excited about this. Our goal is to have this be seen by every student in America because there's no better way to develop a sense of reverence and really just respect for life.

When you actually get to learn about how human life develops. So we're thrilled about it and it's been considered I think in 20 other states now across the country.

Praise God. That is amazing. And if people want to support that if they want to see the advanced benefit of that kind of legislation in their own state, what can they do?

They can 100% spread awareness about baby Olivia. You can go to live action.org. There's a drop down menu. You can share that with your friends and more. It's out there. The more people see it, the more you can be an educator to help people know the truth of the beauty of human life. We've seen that 10% of pro choice women when they see baby Olivia say that they now support abortion restrictions and support pro life laws. So this is 100% has an impact on changing hearts and minds on abortion even though it doesn't mention abortion in all the videos about human development.

But you can also support our legislative efforts at live action. You can go to live action.org. You can support us financially to support what we're doing with lawmakers and you can pray.

Like you said, Ali, 100% it's a spiritual battle. You know, Secretary Kennedy, President Trump, they need our prayers. Pairs to do the right thing. Pairs for courage. We need to pray for an end to abortion. We need to pray for the closing of the abortion industry.

“Pray for mothers and families. And I believe if we as people of God pray, we're courageous in speaking out.”

And we get out there and take action. We can end abortion. It's really a matter of time because God is the author of the fight and we get to be a part of his work. Amen. Okay. I want to ask you one last thing because I saw this clip circulating. And I thought you'd be the perfect person to talk about it. So we have so many people in the country who support the pro life cause. Once you really understand what abortion is, what human development is, it can be kind of simple to move people over to the pro life side.

One thing I think that we are still fighting is to educate people on the reality of IVF. People think IVF simply means pro baby. And of course, we love babies. We want more babies to be born. But obviously it is much more ethically and morally complex than that. And I saw this story. I don't know if you saw it circulating. But it's about Duke basketball twins. Their names are Cameron and Caden Booser. They were conceived through IVF by former NBA player Carlos Booser and his wife C.C. And the reason they did this is because their older son, Carmani, had sickle cell disease. So both parents carried this trait.

And so they wanted to be able to find a bone marrow mat within the embryos for their older son so that he could have a bone marrow transplant and to make sure that their future children did not have sickle cell disease.

“And so they ended up creating and screening. I think like a dozen embryos. Ten passed the test. They ultimately chose to implant only two that were disease free and a genetic match.”

And of course now we have these Duke basketball twins, Cameron and Caden. So that is some of this context. Let me pay play this quick clip. And then I'll get you to response that too. Doctors harvested 34 eggs from C.C. Ten became fertilized sickle cell free embryos and among those, only two matched. Only two only two were completely healthy and were an identical match for my son's transplant. So when they tell you that, what did you think? We got it. Check out. Okay. So a lot of people watching this. They're like, that is incredible. They wanted to save their older son's life and they used science to be able to do that and to now create these two talented basketball players.

We're missing the ten other. It sounds like at least eight, but likely ten other children. Human lives. Science is clear. This is a unique individual human life when you create that life in the in the IVF clinic. This is a new embryo.

“And they decided they weren't good enough. And so they killed them.”

Yeah. That's the part of the story that, you know, with the beautiful music playing and this beautiful, like warmly lit interview was completely left out. There's ten other kids whose lives were created and then taken after they were screened and deemed not good enough. And that is barbaric alley. That is why we raised the alarm bell about IVF because every life created via IVF is 100% valued, purposeed, beautiful, a gift made in God's image. That's why IVF is so destructive because in the process of IVF for every one live birth embryo, you're talking usually ten others that are destroyed because you're trying to achieve that one life birth.

“And so you just re-create lives, you grade them and then you destroy them. So we love life. That's why we oppose IVF.”

Yeah. People don't realize that there are actually more unique lives that are tossed out, killed every year via IVF than in the abortion industry.

And so we're just trying to play for consistency that if a life is a life no matter how small no matter what year she looks like, no matter the level of sentience, then that not only applies to inside the womb but also outside of the womb. So it's this kind of sensitive issue that I think Christians are called to be as clear and courageous on as possible for the same reasons that we're clear and courageous on abortion.

Thank you so much for your clarity and courage, Lila. Just remind everyone where they can find your show.

“Thank you, Ali. I'm so grateful for yours. You're such an incredibly important voice and I'm always grateful when I hear you speaking on these issues.”

You can go check out liveaction.org. We have a lot of resources there and we just hope that everyone joins the ProLay fight.

We're all part of it and certainly as Christians were called to be voices for God's children.

Yes, and everyone check out the Lila Rose show, which is on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, all that good stuff. Thank you, Ali. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening to today's episode of Relatable and we will be back here on Friday. [Music]