House of Villains Season 3 Premiere Week Recap

>> Everybody, what's going on? Rob Cisterdino, back to talk about season three of House of Villains. We had three episodes of House of Villains drop this week. Three hours of Villains to talk about. And the big three is back together to talk about season three of House of Villains.

And here with me to talk about it, of course,

never villain, Jenny Audem, Jenny, how are you?

>> Oh, we're so back. I got my Jackie fan here, blowing on me, keeping me cool. And we managed to lure you into the villain's layer. Like I'm so happy.

“>> I'm here, I think we podcast about the first episode of season one.”

And then YouTube went on to podcast all about House of Villains. But of course, this might be the biggest season ever. It's on peacock, Tyson is here. I had to jump in and very excited to talk to the Tom Sand of Alt to my Tyson. It's Chappelle.

>> Hey, hey, you're in the little side car, Rob. I'm here. I thought you were going to say I was like skipping leg day, and look like a refrigerator on still. >> No, I was like, I was like I said that.

>> 'Cause I haven't skipped leg day, make no mistake. >> Yes, like yeah, I'm skipping everything. >> I'm skipping all the days, right? >> All the days. >> Yeah, all the days.

>> Well, I am very excited to get the chance to talk to you both about House of Villains. YouTube, you know, we call it, we know Villains.com, but YouTube know Villains.com.

I'm learning Villains as we are trying to get Jenny back with us here in just a second.

But, Chappelle, I have so many questions about how House of Villains works. >> I mean, it's the whole premise of House of Villains is that it's a spoof of all the other reality game shows that we know and love. So it's like basically big brother, but with Villains, you know, you get a super villain of the week. You put some people up for elimination, three people instead of the two. You do it like almost like a veto competition to see who end up in the finals, two on those fights, and then you vote somebody out.

Pretty, like big brother, ask or pay my numbers when it comes to the format, but they just make up stuff. I think that big brother says, you know, expect the unexpected, and House of Villains just says, we just make up shit. So like this week, they might open a peep to box, and now somebody has a secret power, why? Just because we can, I think last season, Jenny's so an open refrigerator door, and we had a thing there too. We just do stuff here, and it's, and we're all in on it.

“I think that's the, yeah, was it the, was it the black cock or was it the cock?”

>> I don't know, I don't know, was it just being the gold or the color of it? >> Because we were giving out the cocky award last season, it was like a little rooster. >> Are we giving out the cocky this season? Is there a cocky question about this? >> I was thinking about this today, because I think of, yes, it's our version of the fishy that we coin last season.

It was the cocky, and I was thinking about this as well, Chappelle, and I was like, because we have the right hand that came in this episode. Is it the handy? >> The handy. >> We're good luck to him, Jenny. >> Yeah, well, we didn't have the kind to go off the top, so we have to go with it, yeah, no, so.

>> So I think the little sister's gonna let us know.

>> Right, but basically, we do what we want, and the show, they bring in people who are just mad us.

They bring in people who color outside the lines all the way from the host to all the characters.

“And so I don't think anybody's ever questioning the fairness of how civilians just things just happened here.”

>> Things are just gonna happen here, okay, so we have the three episodes dropped here. Peacock has really lost their minds between a big traders finale, traders reunion show. And they said, you know what, also we're gonna give you three hours of house villains tonight. >> It's a lot. >> So dumb, so dumb, why we do this?

>> We're tired, we're tired, let it, I would like to have a tiny little bite. I feel like, you know, we are Paul and Plain Jane going face into the cave. >> There's so much cake. And I would just like to have a little bite of the cake and be like, "Oh, I can't wait to have some more of this cake tomorrow next week," but no, they're forcing the cake. And it's delicious cake, I love it. I'm very happy, but all of the wonderful reality television that we're getting right now.

But it's a lot of cake. >> It's a lot of cake. >> So I'm not even sure how to tackle three hours of house villains. I mean, we could go through what happened, but I feel like that maybe we should go through the characters and talk about who's here. Just in case anybody's listening, who may not have watched the episodes and are interested to hear what's going on on house villains.

So why don't we talk through our cast and we could talk through a little bit of what we thought about these people through night one of house villains three episodes in. And I feel like I was very pleasantly surprised by the return of this man to reality TV. Friendship, it's Paul. >> We did the preseason junket here

you know, like really step up and have the conversation because I was, I could speak. I was like,

“"Oh, Paul is a legend. I can't talk." Jenny was like, "I've been dying to talk to this man for a”

long time." We're going to talk right now and it was so fun to watch and also fun to see Paul back on our TV screens. >> And like, you know, it took zero time for me to be reminded why I am a

Paul Defender, why I'm a Paul Stan, and why, you know, he delivered two incredible back-to-back

seasons of television on Big Brother. And then just ran away and left us, you know, wondering if we would ever get this experience again. And the cracked strategy is already off the charts. I was living for these three episodes of Paul and I'm really hoping that we got a lot more. >> Yeah, I thought he was really good. I felt like that after his second Big Brother season, I felt like that he was just sort of pretty checked out on reality TV and seemed like he was kind

of angry, understandably. And he just had such an arc back-to-back where he was such a fan favorite, and then by the end of BB-19 ends up being kind of disliked, people say it's a bad season, people don't like that he ran the game. And then he's kind of out of the public eye, really, for about what seven years until we come back here for maybe even longer than seven years. And here it is. But he seems like he's in a good mood.

>> I think this is more Paul's speed than Big Brother, honestly, because Paul was one of the

“fun characters in the diary room yelling, he tried to pull that here, and that's why you know they're like,”

"Hey, cut it out. We don't really do that here." But Paul was always kind of wacky, and I think this

cast matches his freak a little bit. You know, they're all known for saying things that you probably couldn't get away on Big Brother. You know, we saw Paul get in trouble for saying certain things about some of the women in the house, you know, and those things came back to bite them later on. But here, I don't think Paul is going to be the person with the loudest mouth or the quickest wind here, but like not to say that he doesn't match up, but I think there's a lot of competition for that spot.

And so, yeah, maybe Paul can play a little looser and have a little bit of fun this time, not at the back for their return to reality TV. Okay. I also forget that Paul was going on reality TV in your early 20s is a totally different experience. I know it's been, you know, talks a lot about how you're so much better in a better position to like play to win something, and you're much more sure of yourself as a person,

once you are in your 30s. And I feel like we're already seeing that with Paul, so so, but that we get to do this. Okay. And the feature attraction for Tyson is back on reality TV. He's here in the house of villains. She felt he's doing Tyson things. I can't with this man. He's incredible. Someone says Tyson is the first villain of the week, and I say, duh. You know, like, and it's, of course, and look at how it happened. Pull the lever Tyson. Okay. Like, just like,

just, I don't know. Touch the hot stuff. Right. You know, and, of course, immediately, like, has a good time, but also starts playing some strategy. We see Tyson using Paul as a pawn, a spot that Paul knows very well in the game, but also going and making alliances with people, bringing in Tom said about immediately kind of connecting with New York, being a part of this five-person alliance. I mean, Tyson is doing all the stuff that he normally does, but it's just like

packaged a little bit differently here. And yeah, so fun to watch. Always going to go for Tyson on TV.

Yeah. This is very reminiscent of Tyson during his challenge USA run. Yeah. It's a piece of

“having fun here. Yeah. Yeah. So far. I think this is an environment that is, you know,”

you're expected to lean into the silliness of it. We all know that Tyson likes to have fun on these shows. He wants to make good TV. He wants to win. But he wants to do it in a fun way. And I think that that's kind of why House of Thrones is really fun for him because it's like, it does not take itself too seriously. But it's just so wild because like, Tyson has always been like, you know, marches to the beat of his own drum kind of guy. That's like what has made him such an interesting

character on all of his seasons of Survivor and all of the other shows that he's he's done. And I just think it's so funny to see him. Like, you know, we saw the cast drop. We were all obviously so excited. And, you know, this is like the crazy version of the Avengers when you get the House of Villains cast. It's, it's really like, oh, okay. This is weird and fun. Yeah. Right. Actually. Yeah. And, but to see it now actually playing out because we've been sitting on this

other. And it's like Tyson is like the most normal person amongst like a bunch of the like craziest

people ever. And it's like he is still Tyson. He's still this really like electric funny and wild

“person. And like he's a normie at times amongst this cast of absolute characters. And you know what?”

That's okay. I think that's actually like an okay place for him right now. Okay. We also have here in the House. We have Kate Chastain of Below Deck of the Traders season one and two. We love that. No words. You know, this light is the queen. Like what are you, what are you going to do? This is the Chief Still Rob. Okay. This is just Lady Pave the way for a lot of these other mess on Below Deck. And now she's gone to the Traders and now she's here. She's in her

reality TV competition era. And I love to see it. And we're seeing some strategic chops from Kate. A little bit. You know, seeing her work in these alliances and stuff. She's not just sitting around because Kate's very much like I want to be a trial hard. If I play the game, I don't want to look like I'm playing the game. I just want to win to be like, oh, did I do that? You know? And yet she's saying that. But she's working the role that I was concerned with Kate, New York, because

asking New York, hey, how you doing? What's your name? Who was a wild choice? But she came back

“from a genie. So I was okay with this. Yeah, here's the thing. Now having the lovely experience of”

getting to interact with Kate, I fully, fully get it because everything that was said about her, you know, somewhat to her criticism in these three episodes of like her face is, and she says about herself, her face is the same. No matter what she's doing. Yeah. Yeah, the poker face is like, and it's true. Like we had a wonderful time interviewing her. And then also, I was like, she hates us. But I know she didn't hate us, but that is truly just her face. And so I, you know,

to see her interact with New York and be like, what is your name? And New York should be like, excuse me, like please act like you've seen an episode of the show before it and play dumb with me. Anyways, I have to be a little nervous when New York is like decided that you are the mark of the moment. But man, I, I, I have loved these three episodes of Kate and she falls into this wonderful, like, middle ground of no one is looking at Kate and being like,

game player. Oh, she's, she's crafty. Oh, she's shipped. I mean, I know Johnny is kind of like onto her and be like, she was spying on, that wasn't even a thing. I don't know. That wasn't a thing. Yeah, he made them. Yeah. She's, she's. And Joe, Joe, in Joeville, don't get a start on Joe, Joe, Steve. Don't get a start on Joe. Don't get a start on Joe. Don't get a start on Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, see what? I did not predict that Joe, Joe, see what would be a plot line. It's

both carry episodes. So civilians season three, like that, when that was dropped in her confessional to the point where we saw, like, what the reason for that was I was still like, what are we doing?

“And that's why I love this show. But truly, like, Kate is in a great spot in that, you know,”

she is really smart. She is really cunning, but she's not one of these people that's like, oh, she comes from this show and she's really like, you know, she's, she's a bravo person to, like, people. You know what I mean? So it's like, no one is really looking at her as someone who's who's strategizing. But I do think she's got a mind for it. Like, she's got two seasons of

traders under her belt here. You know, obviously leaving the third episode here, a little nervous,

little nervous. She's not out of the woods, but I'm so happy she's here. She's, she's really, really, really fun. Okay. We've got, okay, we have our first player eliminated from House of Billions. It's Jackie Christie basketball wives. I was not familiar with Jackie's work coming into this. What did you think about Jackie now that you've seen it? I mean, I kind of liked that she was a older player who wasn't going to take a lot of crap from people. I thought that she gave it back

to Tyson pretty good when she ended up getting put up for nomination. And please excuse me, while I'm still learning all of the House of Billions terminology, but we don't even get it right. Sometimes we make it up. So I thought that she was, you know, fun enough.

Here's what I will say about Jackie. I truly think that she started off having absolutely no idea

what she was doing and what she got herself into. But I feel a little sad because I felt like just

game mind. And, you know, like we saw her pitching her case to Johnny and, you know, making a pretty good plea, I just, I almost wonder if she had not been so outspoken against Tyson after being,

“you know, put up for banishment here. I think that things could go another way and and she stays”

here, but ultimately it's like Tyson and his alliance that gets to decide who's going to go home.

And people wanted to keep Jackie, but it was kind of just like, oh, we got to go with the numbers and we'll get to the hinky vote of it all. But yeah, I feel like Jackie maybe just need a little bit more time or maybe she needed to like, you know, study the episodes a little bit. I think that she, you know, her agent, I don't know, like this is an opportunity and she showed up and was like, what are we doing here? She felt it. But I like that. This is part of the show where any time

like somebody puts you up for nomination, you really just have to like roast them and drag them. But you're not supposed to. That's the thing. These people know the the right game move is over here. The wrong game move is over here. And the thing about how the villain said that, not a time, they're just going to pick the wrong game move. And for Jackie, she did the same exact thing,

right? Like she finds out it's her as she blows up. But it was like, this is Jackie's first game.

She's the least connected and least experienced person in this house when it comes to these types of games. So she's coming in. She doesn't know the rules. She's kind of like, if I have something to say, I'm going to say something. If I want this bed, it's my bed. You know, it's a vibe I'm going to get. And that's no one's going to tell me about like those are the Jackie things that got her on the show. Those are the things that are going to help her win the game. And so yeah, because you'll see somebody

like the queen New York. She has done this before. She has learned she's battle tested. So when she goes off, she comes back later on. Hey, you know, honestly, I probably was a little too hard on you. You know, it's okay, and me and Jenny have been tracking New York's gameplay and growth. Okay. We're going to do an evolution of New York strategy at the end of all of it. It's probably, and it's just night and day. You know, where you can see the blowups happening, but it's really the damage control that's

probably going to save a lot of these people later on. Okay. And the thing is, is that like, you know, it's, it's a confusing show in that you're being cast, because of, you know, your, your

“hijinks on previous shows where, you know, Jackie comes from a show where you need to make good TV.”

And, you know, that is how she contributed to other shows. And, and there's lots of other people that have been on these shows that that is what it's about. It's about, you know, giving a TV, like calling people out if they did you wrong. And now that it's in the context of a game, I mean, you know, Shippa, and I have talked about this a lot. It's like confusing. It's like, do you want to be a villain? Or do you want to play it safe? Because you're also expecting that these

people will vote for you to win at the end. And that's why it has a villain. It's like also kind of gone through like a little bit of an identity crisis. And I'm very interested to see how this season plays out. Because it's like, in any other scenario, Jackie Christie should be expected to blow up when someone does her wrong. But now she's in this situation where it's a game and is that that is that the right game move. But I really feel for these people where it's house

of villains, like, right? You feel like they're looking for you to act the way that got you on the show. Right. That's a good point where, at the end, we know it's a jury vote, right? And so you

“have to have a social game. But shouldn't it be like that if the most people hate you, you should”

win the show? Right. But are the villains going to be the people who are going to vote for somebody they hate? Stop it. You know, like, imagine the villains being the ones who're like, we just like you so much. We're going to reward you with beating me and winning the money. No, we'd rather say you get down on your knees and beg. So we can snatch it away from you. That's the type of people that we're dealing with here. So yeah, it's counterintuitive. Because in a way you would think,

if Jackie's this much of a liability and she's going to be this hot at it, why not keep her around? Why are we eliminating Jackie? She's going to blow up again next week. She's going to piss everybody off. I can see next to Jackie and win. So yeah, the game has a lot of layers to it. But at the end of

the day, these are villains. And we got to expect them to, they're going to pick the villain option first

and then they'll figure out the game later. Okay. No, it's so true. And it almost makes house a villain as like a game like one of the hardest ones to play because like, I know that sounds crazy. Especially if you, this is these first three hours of like the first that you have experienced because you're like, what is what is this side? What's happening? But it is hard because playing like the textbook good game that you might see in some of these other shows doesn't necessarily translate

you're trying to get to give you the win are also villains and might just like make their own decision

“and not do like the thing that the masses might agree is the right thing to do. So you have to like”

balance, you know, trying to play a good game but also maybe trying to not play such a good game villains decide that they don't want to give it to you. I think it really makes it a very difficult game to figure out from a strategy standpoint. All right, we've got Drieda the Vanzo are either of you mob lives people. I am now. Yeah. If anybody's going to bring you in, it's

Drieda. We, we've caught her in a preseason. How is that Robin? Within second, she had us, she had us

in a palm or a hand. What did she say? Yeah, she's so gangster. She's so. Yeah. This lady is a gangster. Okay, she came to, she's like, I can't have played this game. I'm not really quite sure why, but I won't be tripled with. And you get that vibe from her from jump, but she still looks back for her to come in and we're watching her, you know, kind of played a game in a way that you wouldn't think Drieda would be somebody. Like, she feels like someone takes us up very seriously.

“And so I think watching it now is like, oh no, she's getting loose and kind of doing the wacky stuff”

here as well, um, who come to find out, she's a reality TV fan or at least love island fan. So that's

a funny thing we learned about. And so yeah, we she's in a couple of alliances. I think in other

shows, it's so easy for the Drieda character to just be somebody. And that like, if this is celebrity big brother, Drieda's not doing anything. She's just laying there in the house, you know, and people are kind of playing around her, like Dina low hand. You know, but like here, no, she's in the mix. And that's all like, yes, this is exactly what I'm looking for from Drieda. This is, this is, this is good TV. Yeah, of someone who is like, you know, coming with a lesser competition,

reality background, which we definitely got a lot of these people on on shows like House of Villains, I feel so good about where she has positioned herself, whether it's just vibratory of, you know, being who she is and people like being how I felt equally in love and terrified of this woman, you know, I think that it's, it's really interesting to see where she's at, like, no, we're, we're three hours in and her name is not on anyone's lips.

Despite not being in the, you know, like the House majority alliance, it does not seem like she is a, I wouldn't answer, I was exactly, this, Drieda's a mob like, it's, the Drieda's like the type of play a rob with a line with, you know, like, if you were able to lie with Candace on, on the Traders, I think you and Drieda would get along just fine. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, yeah, you're like, I, I, I, I, yeah, I'm just going crazy in my head. Yeah, I wouldn't mess with it.

“No, as you should have put her on the black, who is going to put this light of love? Who was”

bold enough? Not me. Sorry. And, you know, what and let, like that, but it is actually kind of a good game move if you're someone where you like kind of hide behind Drieda where you're like, I'm going to treat this lady well and, you know, the people that are not smart enough to do the same will will find the wrath eventually and, you know, that won't be my problem and we'll see what happens and then I will just be there afterwards. Like, I actually think that is a really good strategy.

Let's talk about playing Jane from RuPaul's Drag Race. Playing Jane was fun. Playing Jane. Yes. Yes. Playing Jane was fun. Yeah, playing Jane was playing a social game. Well, playing Jane is known as a bit of a strategist in drag race of they were doing, they do this thing where they have to rank their competitors and like put like put the people at the top versus versus at the bottom where they would like be like in danger

and playing Jane was one of the people who's like, I don't care if they're good or bad, if they're aligned with me, then I'm going to rank them higher if I'm not with them. Whoa, like, you know, I'm saying like easy peasy people of course don't like that because they're like, well, you didn't earn being up there for playing Jane didn't care. You know, and so here I was okay. It's Jane going to be playing, going to be able to step into this role and I was happy with what I saw

from playing especially at the end when playing ends up on our second hit list here and she just

goes left. I'm talking about whatever Christine thought Christine did. Playing did that better. Got him pause face at one point. I thought they were going to start fighting Jenny. I thought it was, I thought we'd about to have in a big chain like an ejection from the game. Oh, I think it's going to be a show to Chef Joe and Willie Hanth all over again. Someone can have that concern.

okay, you know, early episodes when I was worried like Tyson and Paul were going to be at odds and again like that's so might be a thing. I was like this feels like my older brother who I really respect and my boyfriend don't like each other. That was like how I felt about it and this is kind of the same situation with like watching the end with playing Jane and Paul where I'm like, no, bestie and like other bestie like they're not getting together and it's really,

really tragic for me but also go to hell. The fact that Plain Jane took that moment and you think, okay, you're going to be so mad at Johnny because you just had this excellent pitch. I'm

basically offering you my dream out just don't fuck me here and like, you know, if you're at the

end, I'm voting for you to win. But no, it's Paul that ends up seeing all of the heat for this decision and like it pops off. I was dying for their friendship like it really actually hurt my heart so much. They really built it up. I know like it was really really heartbreaking and I'm

“worried for Plain Jane too because I think she's like in the middle of like two sides of the house”

because it doesn't even seem like she's super like in with the one side and obviously like I think she's kind of on the outside of the, you know, the Tyson and Tom and the Johnny Paul Ashley Alliance. So it's a little bit scary but she delivered still so you know and I feel like really good about chances to get out of out of a management here. But you know, it was a lot and I was just like a really really sad to see Plain Jane and Paul at odds. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about it when

we get there. I did nothing Plain Jane was going on the hit list there at the end. Yes, but the guys really did hide that. But I mean, what better way to go on the hit list is that wearing a ski mask along the ball club. Yeah, it's so so slippery little slippery. It's out. I know, I'm playing Jane with style. Okay. All right. Here's Johnny Middlebrooks, parts of the city in both love Island and the challenge. I must have missed when he did the challenge. It was, no, it was a few episodes. Yeah.

“Yeah. It was a normal challenge. Or the challenge you were saying. That's a good question. I think it”

was the normal challenge. I think it was the normal challenge. Because they did have love Island people

on the challenge USA on the first one. Yes. Yes. And that and I always mix it up. Like I definitely

know that Tyson did the USA one. Yes. Yeah. But he knows Tyson. So I guess it wasn't the first one. No. Okay. Johnny's definitely not the same season. Yeah. Okay. Now that we're looking at the photo. Yeah. Does, I mean, what? No, it looks like a refrigerator and skip leg day. Listen, he's a very, very, very sensitive man. Yeah. I, you know, I watched his season of love Island. Yeah. And, you know, I, I was also a fan of watching him. But now, the photo, the refrigerator

on stilts is kind of making a little bit sense. It might also be that thick. He's wearing like an oversized shirt as well, which is like only. Well, it's like pajama set. This is like a summer set. This is like a, yeah. This is a set. But it is kind of like also kind of giving pajamas. Um, I can't stop staring at his legs now. Okay. I mean, if you got crazy to find calf muscles. Um, so there are, did it? I'm, I'm there in the Rob scrolling

up. Um, all I'm seeing is, uh, what, what, what a, what a place a Drake impersonator. Um, you know, I don't know Johnny from love Island or the challenge. I didn't watch the challenge right of that. So I don't really know, but I will say this for someone in his archetype, Rob, we have

“done like the F boy archetype a couple of times over if you want to count jacks and shake. But then”

you also have a safari, our most recent winner of House of Villains. Um, but here, um, we've

never had an F boy who actually had a love interest in the house. And, um, you know, we've had like,

I don't think it takes much. Well, what, what we did as John bananas and Fita kind of a current kind,

cast of your F boy. He was our challenge representative, blah, blah, blah. This is the first time

our F boy comes in and actually has a chance to use his evil powers. Okay, because normally he's coming in, he's nook. And he's just like, Oh, yeah, everybody's here to marry and then with somebody. And this time we see him kind of trying to shoot a shot at Chris. Yeah, turns out he's trying to shut it before. She goes, um, this was good content. Yeah, I liked the poll that it was like grease where it's like they met each other like one time and then they didn't work out. But he was

hoping for it. But then it's like, she's going to string him along now.

“Bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap. This is the thing with Johnny is like, I don't, I think that the,”

you know, and a lot of these reality stars, I'm sure, especially like the, the ones that are like

younger and possibly single or single for a moment are like meeting in these, you know, scenario. So I like, I don't, I'm not shocked that they have found each other at the same bar before. I, I think that, you know, there's, there's not usually like love interests and hooking up that like on-house of villains. There was, I would say definitely, you know, the, the, the bananas and crim things seem to be like a thing, especially like maybe a for a little bit off of the show.

But that's not really something that you can get on this show because we're getting a lot of people that are like more seasoned reality TV. You know, people that are maybe not coming onto the show, shingles, shingles. No, I don't know if they've had shingles. Hopefully not. But single and ready to mingle. Where, I just think like, Johnny is like so interested in hooking up with anyone that is literally the reason why he's on this show. So I am

not shocked that they're just so happy to be another person on the cast that he has been interested in hooking up with in his past. But I will say about this, this, my Johnny, I was like actually pleasantly surprised by, you know, the strategic game because we haven't really gone a lot of that from the F boy archetype that we've gotten on the show in the past. Okay. All right, here's people from Love Island. I know a lot about hopefully these games. Let's put the word on the screen. Yeah.

You'd be shocked. Well, apparently much more of a game than people get the credit for.

“Yeah. Well, you can be an F boy and also a gamer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, that's what makes”

that, that's what makes you good TV. If you have been shown to play Love Island like it's a game, get your ass on a game, like a real game because they're like, we're about to, we're about to see you cook. I wouldn't say, like, is Johnny middleworks the best game player we will have ever seen from the Love Island franchise? I don't know, maybe not. But in three episodes, I'm feeling pretty good about him at least coming to play the game and not just, you know, playing Love Island in

a smaller house with less options. Okay. All right. And here is Ashley Money Mitchell. Cash Millionaire, Cashley Mitchell. Yeah. Cashley's here. And she won't back now. She's not going to be afraid to play the game. She doesn't say what she wants to say. And she found herself in a good

alliance. She's in the, basically in her bedroom, when we did the interviews, they were all kind of in

their bedrooms. It's seen. And so Ashley, Paul and Johnny are a three-sum, you know, but they also have a two-person alliance attached to them as well with Tom and Tyson. And so, yeah, she's like, okay, you didn't come here planning to work with the boys, but if they want to win all the competitions,

“keep me safe, then that's what I'm going to do. Yeah, Ashley is a gamer. And it's really fun to see her”

play something outside of the challenge because she's been on the challenge a lot. She's won the challenge. She's had a lot of success. But it's really fun to see her play a game in a different context. And she's acknowledging that she's like playing differently because she's like, oh, I didn't think I was going to be working with a bunch of guys, but unfortunately, these other women have not done a competition rally show and I need to work with people that want to strategize and that just

so happens to be a lot of the other dudes in the house. So she's like, this is the hand that I have been given here. I love, I don't know, I'm just like having so much fun seeing these reality TV characters I watched and other contexts like coming together and it's seeing, you know, Ashley Mitchell in the pantry with Paul every evening and then like strategizing mix the cereal. I'm like, oh, this is so great. She's really fun. I think she's in a great spot too. Like, no,

their names at each other to her. Mm-hmm. Okay. Good. Let's talk about, of course, New York,

here she is, Tiffany Pollard. Don't use her government name, call her New York. So I would love to get just the scouting report from the two of you is New York, the best house civilians player is New York. The, a very bad house civilians player. Yes. To me. Yeah. No, she's part of the, but yes, she's all in the above. Yes. We, we have been tracking New York's growth early on. It was just New York, Tiffany, you know, Tiffany Pollard, New York, like she was there for explosive moments. She was there to fight.

She was there for a sound bites. Then she started to actually strategize a bit. And Jenny, I'd say last season, we really thought New York could have won the the whole thing. Yeah,

“there was there was a scenario where it could have happened. And I honestly think with that”

cast now looking back and how, how that season ended, if she could just get herself there at the end, I truly think that New York would have won. Like New York is the kind of person and player in that, like she can be so frustrating in that, like she, it, like, catcher in the wrong moment in the wrong day. She blows the F up on you. And then she, but she's so sweet. Like her social game is so complicated. And that, like, she adheres herself so easily to people. And I think that people,

again, it's like one of those people. It's like, I, I equally love you. And I'm, I'm terrified of you. But like people really do want to, you know, want to work with New York, want, she's someone you do want to have on your side. The feeling, I think that people have when they feel like New York likes them and accepts them and is like wants to work with them is like a rush. You know what I mean?

“Like, I think that is like such an exciting good feeling. Like, oh my God, I'm on, I'm on New York's”

good list right now. Like, what a great situation. But it can, like, it can shift so quickly, which is why, you know, she is like such a complicated player to watch. But she does find these like strategic game player types. We saw her align really closely with West last season. And, you know, we kind of see her acknowledging Tyson as someone who, you know, she's a little unsure of Tyson

at first because she had the thing referred to hatch last season, which is also just a crazy

thing that we're talking about, like, remember when Tiffany New York followed blue up at Richard Hatchless season. And now she's working with Tyson Fossil, like, what, what world are you living in? But that is kind of the thing with her. She does want to work with game players. She's not one of these people that is just like, you're, you're crafty and I don't want anything to do with you. She sees them as people to attach yourself to and kind of like ride that wave.

I don't know if three, third times the charm here. It will be an interesting thing to continue tracking with Japan here. But she is simultaneously a great player and also sometimes like, what are we doing? And, but she knows it too. She acknowledged it even in these three episodes here. Well, she'd be back for every season of House of Villains.

“Into she wins for sure. Like, uh, because, well, because why would you not win?”

When does anybody sort of retired of New York? She does. She's been like sitting, like, sleeping there, pruning the, like, tripping, like, you know, the worst season, all that kind of stuff. Like, she's just there. Like, and then that's the thing, too. Come in and pay homage. Pay respect to New Yorker. You come in the door. And then hopefully you align with her and she can finally win the game. Is it what she did? Well, for. Yeah. They didn't show her coming in. Like, she was already in the house.

So it's important to note a lot. He's then when it was her second season, they showed her come in. This time, she was, like, in the bathroom. She was already there.

Yeah. Stuff was already, like, unpacked basically. Is it always the same house?

Yeah. It has been. Yeah. It had the bed. Yeah. Because she always goes to the same bed, same bedroom. It was she her roommate was Karen in the first season. Who is she room with last season? Uh, I don't remember. I don't remember. Was there was, I think it was Victoria, but then she quickly got rid of her. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, I think, and then, and honestly Rob, New Yorkers Rob last season.

There we go. I said weird stuff with some safety chains and you had to like rent yourself. If you were the best villain, it was she kind of got railroaded at the end. We'd make an argument for New York. Actually, she should be a two-time player and almost a once and a once I winner at this point. Okay. Yeah. All right. And then we have Christine Quinn from selling sunset. I was not familiar with her work either.

Kishel. Kishel does well on the traders. You bring in Christine immediately. Yeah. And Kishel and Thompson,

“of all did not get along on the traders. Right. Let's see. That's the thing. Kishel,”

Kishel is more of a hero type than Christine is. Kishel is like the one thing. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Like when, when, when Chris, when you get, when you think you got gold from Kishel, you like bring in Christine and let's turn this up. Those two women do not get along. I don't know what they stand now, but there's definitely been times where they blocked each other on social media. Like they just personalities don't mesh and you can see why. Kishel on the traders was so nice and kind and she's

just kind of diplomatic and talking to everybody. It was she just got a cool. She really make a lot of

waves. We were kind of rooting for her. Except that she threw me in Darcy under the bus for no reason.

You know, she sometimes she does that stuff. Um, but, but Christine comes in and immediately, you know, there's fireworks, right? Like she's got the showman's potential here. I mean,

“she's up on the, on the hit list very early on and she goes on the longest read, um, of all”

times, uh, letting Tyson know about himself, you know. And so, but these are these are not things you would get from Kishel, you know, you bring in Christine when you want a little extra, little extra umph. Again, another person that, you know, is coming from, you know, a non-competition background and is known for like chewing you out when she feels like you have just, like, you deserve it. But is being thrust into this situation where it's like also a game and is, you know, trying to

figure it out on the fly. Um, I do think that despite doing her little, uh, thing when she gets

put up on the, on the hit list by Tyson and listen, girl, I feel you brevity has never been my

strong suit. Um, but she seems to recover well from this in that, you know, she, she manages to at least convince Tyson that that of, of the two people that end up being up for management at the end of the, the cycle or whatever, that she's the better on the keep around. She's less of a threat. Whether that is of her own, uh, you know, intention to give that impression or not, I don't know. But yeah, she's definitely going to get into some fights and, uh, I don't know, I just like

get to see the game playing prowess here, but she could be, you know, a good number for some people here. Okay, and then, here he is. It's Tom's sand of all. Some sand of a lot of screen time so far. Tyson said cheating on your wife is like, uh, you know, a good business. Yeah, a good business for ality TV and he's showing. I'm, I'm, I'm glad Tyson says that because I keep getting this clip, this plan over and over my hand. I said in New York kissing and I just need to know why we're three

episodes in and I have yet to see why those two people were kissing on this great, like I'm gonna need to, let's get there quickly, uh, because, um, I've questioned about that. Um, we all, but yeah, people, people, my inbox right now, like, so do, do you know what's going? I don't have any clue, um, but, you know, it's, it's all in good fun. I'm sure Tom's sand of all is on his, uh, redemption to a rabbit seems because I don't think I've ever heard anything by anybody say anything positive about

him. And now after the traders, I saw people starting to loosen up to Tom's sand of all, I see one of the stars in your group chat. So, no, I'm not in a group chat with Tom's sand of all, but I hear that Tyson is a fan. And I think that really, that one episode of the trader is where he's saying to the doll. Yeah. That was weird in this. He really, it turns, everyone's like, well, I love Tom's sand of all. Yeah. I think we even said I claim him now. Oh, well,

“pull you up. You have to pay attention to who he acclaimed. He's claiming. He's like, I'm saying the”

I claim him now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll come back to buy for sure. Yeah, Tom's animals. He's, he's here. And he has people who want to work with him. You know, it's not like, in the traders, it felt like Tom's animals was like a pariah. And then people were just kind of forced to deal with him because the traders wouldn't get rid of him. Nobody would vote him out. So they would just like, okay, fine. Well, they would Tom, we're okay, fine. I'll try to,

I'll try to play nice with Tom. You know, but here, him and Tyson immediately click, uh, you know, Christine comes in saying like, no, I think I like him. You know, and so, uh, he's in a situation where he's not the most hated person here. Maybe, just maybe he can, uh, latch on to Tyson and make a run at this thing. Yeah. You know, Tom, sand of all is the pathsy. Like I, I have to push back a little bit here and that like he's definitely making allies

easier than he did in the traders. And again, it's a different game because like in the traders,

knowing for sure who at what what anyone is. This is obviously a little bit of a different game.

“So, um, I think that this is better for him strategically, but we are already seeing like this man's”

own alliance for the most part seeing him as kind of like expendable. Um, and so I think it's like a better spot for him and just, you know, having someone like Tyson on your side is extremely, uh, helpful. Um, but people are still like very much to be like, listen, if Tom's got to die, like, let him, let him go. Yeah, he seems to be like, he goes places and he's kind of reviled where, and I did not watch Vanderpump rules where I don't know how he acted on that,

but so he definitely wasn't villain to his wife. Is that what it was a wife or girlfriend? Yeah. And so he was a villain to her, but in the traders like in this, he's not really like, hey, I'm a bad guy. I'm a villain. Like he's he doesn't try to really be a bad guy in these other shows. Yeah, but he had such a public. Yeah, I mean, I literally called him into something. No, yeah, you know, so it's like you can't have that for the last time. Yeah, every the branding was too good.

You know, so it's like people who've never seen, you know, him on TV, people have never seen

Vanderpump know that like, oh, this man is a scumbag. Yeah. And so then when I see him, like, actually, like, oh, he says, he seems fine. Oh, awkward, but he seems okay. Um, but then you then you hear about how the scandal played out, you know, like, wait a minute, I can't trust this man. You know, maybe we shouldn't let him in. So I do think even America, the viewing audience is probably going to struggle with that a little bit, where like we saw it, like you said in the traders, people were like,

we hate him. He needs to be out. But they're like, well, maybe he's not so bad. You know, and I could see that happening here too. Yeah. I feel like we saw like a bit of this on the traders with him, we're like, you know, he got a little cracked and like, got into the game playing of it all. And he was like, he got a little like sweaty about it. Um, but it was like kind of an endearing way on the traders. Yeah. And I had been with the stains early on. Yeah. No, I mean, literally swear

“a lot of days where he was like, so gingthers shirt. Um, don't know what was going on. But I think”

that now, like, that he's played a competition reality show with the traders and now he's getting to do this. Um, and maybe the AC is better. I don't know. He's like, he seems a little less sweaty. We're getting to see a little bit of that cracked game play again. Like, we get to see confessionals where Tom sent of all's being like, uh, you know, Tyson's the super villain of the week. Like he's doing everything. I tell him to do. And, you know, he's having a little bit of fun with like the gameplay of

all of it all. He's getting really excited about like the strategic part of it, which is really fun. I love seeing someone come from a non-competition reality background, get put into a game like this, and like really take it on. It's the same thing with like seeing like, you know, recruit some big brother. Like this is really like the, you know, the birth of Paul on big brother, you know, coming into to BBA team and being like, you know, just learning the game on the fly and then

becoming really impressive. Um, I love that. And I feel like we're getting to see a little bit of that with Tom, where he, he sees gameplay and he really wants to get into it. But there's just something about him that is just so disingenuous that like really throws people off that like no one trusts

“this man really. Like, and I think that is a problem. And some of it might just be attached to his”

reputation. But I think there is also something about his like demeanor that is maybe a little shifty to people. And they don't fully think that they can trust him. But a lot of his allies can trust him. Like, they can trust him. Uh, and he's, you know, he almost ended up on the block at the end of this. Wild. Okay. Thanks fun. And that's our full cast for the house of villains. Can we talk through some of the bigger moments from these three hours as we go through it and

go back to the first episode. And so, uh, why don't we discuss the episode number one where

Tyson became the very first supervillain of the season by pulling the lever? Yellow. They're like, they're like, little kids. Like, you got like New York and, um, I, I think it was Ashley and then like Johnny being like, pull the lever, pull the lever, whatever. They're like, all right, let's pull the lever. You know, um, strategy be damned. Tyson's like, if there's a lever to pull, I'm going to be the one to do it if there's a red button

House of villains. If they try to fake you out like, oh, you're going to be punished for some like that. But typically, that doesn't happen. I think we saw New York get immunity last year for

basically throwing her entire tea under the bus in the first challenge. Um, and we're okay with it.

“That's just how that's how we do things here. It's villainous. Yeah, there's no fair in house of”

villains. And, you know, there will be little things like this. And, and Tyson was absolutely correct words. Like, hey, if there's a thing at the beginning of these shows that it's like, oh, you shouldn't do that. Just do it. Just do it. Just do it. Just do it. Just do it. It's going to have fun. So, uh, and up. Now, Rob, as a good friend of Tyson, yeah. Do you think that, you know, if it was a traditional challenge, do you think that Tyson wants to win super villain of the week first?

You think that's something where I think that Tyson who also has worked closely with Boston Rob, I think that all of these guys are, I don't know if control freak is the right way to describe them in the game, but they want to, I think, be in charge early and be able to sort of dictate the action of what happens. I mean, if you take a look at how Tyson played on the challenge

USA, you saw it also that very similar Tyson wanted to get out in front, be the first person to be,

you know, have that immunity that they had in that season, and Tyson wants to set the tone early,

“and so I think that that's what he wants to. Tyson is not quite Boston Rob when it comes to needing”

to control everything that Tyson likes to, you know, make it look like somebody else's controlling everything, even though he's pulling a lot of the strings from behind. So, I think that Tyson did like getting this power first. Yeah. He feels like he can do both. Like, I bought some Rob can only be the guy in charge. Tyson is the guy in charge, but he's the guy in charge who has a guy who looks like he's in charge with them. And so yeah, I wasn't shocked to see this from Tyson, but yeah,

he has to put up these first three people, and you know, I don't know, Tyson feels like to me, somebody in the reality TV terms that could probably play nice enough to not give yelled at, but one episode in and they're already calling them a snake in a liar. And the guy was like, "Okay, we're running your hospital as a season." Yeah. Yeah, he's getting called a lot of names

that he's probably never been called in, and you know, some of his experiences on reality TV,

“but that's what you need to expect when you go on house of villains. All right, they have our first”

challenge of the season, and it's a take on severance. Are either you severance people? I'm not, but that was my first thought, like that it was clearly like a severance thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's like they went up, they came to a elevator, so it's severance, and in everything else it's just been wearing bad, like cool costumes. Yeah. Yeah. I was five deadly sins. Yeah. I'm saying the ball dressed like a like a cart to an accountant,

you know, like that's kind of like the vibe they were going for. You had like the suspenders on the big glasses. Like it was fun. The challenge was crazy, but all the challenge on house of villains are, so this is part of the course. Yeah, the challenges are kind of equalizer type things, where there's like a little bit of, like, candy, something like that. Yeah, just fun. I think that's a randomness. Yeah. Which one of the challenges would each of you want to do?

Give me the mirror puzzle. I'll be the, I'll be the vein one to put the mirror together. I think I could figure that out. Especially if I need to see what my shoes look like with the rest of my clothes. I got it. Yeah. Um, yeah. I definitely not doing the cake. The cake looked really dry. Yeah. Like near the end, it was just looked like dry and I'm like that, that would ruin cake for me forever. I too think that I could probably do the puzzle. But I also think that like smashing things and

looking for a photo would be fun. I'd be bad at that. I mean, I don't have the raw rage and aggression that I wish I had. Like, it's hard for me to happen to that. Like, you know, I don't think I'm strong enough. Yeah. I got at least just would be apologizing all the time. Yeah. I would love the excuse to destroy things on purpose. It is supposed to just accidentally all the time. Um, so that part would be fun. Yeah. I would not like to smash things. I don't think I could do the crying. I wouldn't

like to do the cake. So I think I did the puzzle or what was the, oh, then go in the money booth. Oh, any booth seems fine. Yeah. I feel like I would, I would think about the money move too much. Like if I, if I did poorly, then like, I'd lose sleep over that damn. You couldn't even grab the money with the right in front of you. You know, like, so that one's not for me. But the crying Rob, that's a craziest challenge I've ever seen in my life. I don't know. So for some reason,

that one, I think it's just my version to tears. It's like, oh, you want me to cry on demand. I mean, I still be locked in there. I still be in there. I don't know how I would have ever tapped

Right. He's in one. What the hell? Yeah. The problem is Christine had waterproof makeup. That's

why she couldn't do it. Yeah. She's also co-hard at snake. You know, like, she's good. She's good. Okay. As a person that uses setting spray as well. Like, I don't believe that the setting spray impacts your tear ducts. Yeah. It just means that, like, liquid on your face, like, might not wreck your makeup. So I don't really expect that, like, if her eyes work, you don't spray the makeup into your open eye. Maybe if she does. Yeah. That would explain a lot for me. I don't know

because I am still like, okay. The tears that you produce might not make your mascara run, might not leave a mark in your foundation, but you setting spray will not, like, stop you from

“having tears. So I think that, like, girl just did not have the ability to cry on on command,”

which is understandable. Yeah. I am someone that can cry. I don't know that I could do it on command. I don't know. All right. You could draw the line. Yeah. Yeah. We'll do it. We'll do it one in five. Just draw the lines and just get to work. Yeah. Well, yeah. I won't use my settings for that day. Okay. So Tyson gets to pick who gets to go on the reward and picks plain Jane and Paul to go

roller skating. This did look very fun to go roller skating. Yeah. The rewards are always kind of just, like,

just opportunities to see them do something silly. They usually will talk like a little bit of strategy. I mean, this was interesting. You know, Tyson gets to have the opportunity to, you know, tell Paul that he's planning to put him up, but basically, like, established relationship. But the rewards are just to kind of see them in a funny environment. Okay. Was this a misstep by Tyson to ask Paul to be upon considering that Paul comes from big brother and that is well versed in what it means to be

upon. It did feel like Tyson was survivor explaining big brother to Paul. You know, it was like, okay. So I'm going to put you up, but you're not the target. Paul's like, oh, so would you call me a

“pawn? It's like, yeah, that's exactly what it was. It was like, okay. I think if it wasn't Paul,”

this probably is fine. But Paul has basically PTSD from his time on big brother. Like, it's Paul the second time was very much in charge and leading from that front spot, that control freaks spot that you're talking about, but that first time, Paul was on the block a lot. You know,

whatever people talk about, Paul's first big brother game. I'm always like, you really think

Paul should have won because it had Victor not came back and took what three bullets for Paul would have been lost that game because he just stayed on the block. And so, yeah, I think if this isn't Paul, it's finally fine, but because this is Paul and a seasoned game player and a good one at that, I think this might come back to the bottom. But my question is Rob, do you think that

“Tyson knows Paul like it's like the lore behind Paul? I think that Tyson probably knows the rules”

of big brother, but I don't think that Tyson knows a lot about Paul. I think that Tyson is not a big brother guy. He knows a little bit about some of the people from big brothers, certainly from playing on the challenge, but I don't think he knows the lore of Paul. Then I think that could be bad, yeah. But you know, that isn't show where you have your phones. And I don't know if like, it's the kind of thing where you look up like at nighttime, like the peridium video of

my Paul Moss, big brother two times. I love that concept. I need to imagine Tyson watching a peridium video about Paul if you're not filming. But like, I think that Tyson had, you know, at least a lot of outs here, obviously he's in a situation where there was only what five people because of the challenge where like half of the people were going to be immune. Like you're in a situation where you have limited choices as it is. And Paul basically fed the rationale to Tyson

and that like, yeah, if you put up three of the ladies, it's going to look really bad, optics wise. So like, I get that I'm in this situation. So I don't know. I'm also speaking from a place of really hoping that the two of them can at least have like a ceasefire for a little bit here. But yeah, obviously the pawn of it all is going to be a little triggering for someone like Paul. Okay. So Tyson ends up with his hit list of Paul the pawn plus Christine and then also Jackie,

Jackie was also rather harsh on Tyson.

“Yeah, I think there are people who can go off on you and it feels like TV and then there are”

people who go off on you and you feels like, damn, like the person doesn't really like me. I think New York is one of those people who like, she can go off on you and it kind of feel like, oh, that's just New York or like we can come back for now. I think Christine has a bit of that to where's like she can come back for that. I think Jackie can get a real good hate into somebody very quickly. And so yeah, this was not the best game move for her and she was spending the rest of the

episode with the next episode. Basically trying to get herself out of that position.

And I don't think she put up a value in effort. While we're trying to figure out the vote, we get the Tyson and Tom Sandevol romance, including the fake sitcom intro. This is another trope of this show, Rob, is like they're constantly doing little montages and throwing in these fun little things. It adds to the unseriousness of it all. I knew the bromance was there. It did not take long for them to show us to give them basically

their own side show here. Yeah, it's fine. I like that. It's cute. You can very much see Rob Roush doing this next season. You know, with somebody pick somebody. You think? Yeah, you think he's

a house and villains guy. I think I think if he can play like that, I think the thing about

“house and villains is that you have to be kind of like make fun of yourself a little bit.”

None of these people can take yourself that seriously. As a matter that get if you ever insult them, they're all in on the joke. And so I think I could see it for sure. I just, I don't know if this show is his scene. I don't know what his next move is going to be. I'm trying to think of if there was like a trader spot that opened up of who would go and do it. Again, I don't know if Candace would do it. You can probably get Lisa and Rob Roush and tell her

together. You know, I think this is like Rob Roush is also the kind of person that it's like you're going off on ham and he's just like, okay. Yeah. Yeah, like he's not going to give it back to you. And I think that that's kind of what they're looking for with this cast. Like, you know, you will kind of get your back up. But I still love the vision of it. Like, from my games, you know, aspects. You know, who could be? No. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Wait, hold on. Hold on.

You're telling me, I gotta pick three people to go on the hit list and then and then one of them is gonna come down. The layers of villainy here. It's like, it seems almost a little too obvious. Yeah, one of the noes for that one. Yeah. Yeah. Michael Rabbier. Yeah, for sure. We have to see what New York says and those monsters. I'm from New York. I'm from New York. I'm New York. How why do you get to be New York? Oh, yeah. Oh my god. So we have our hit list set and we got to figure

out who is going to vote for who. And we see that Jackie has a couple of votes. She has New York who's going to keep her, who she has also, uh, the other vote was Trina. No, it was, uh, Oh, Drieda, Drieda, Drieda, Drieda, Drieda, Drieda, Drieda, Drieda's got him. But then there's a hinky vote.

Yeah, there's a third vote. Well, nobody can find it. So before there's a hinky vote,

Tom Sandeval is a mystery vote where we see that there is talk about that one person. Jackie has been promised by one of the guys that they have a handshake deal. And there's a question of who is the person that made a handshake deal with Jackie. And it's Tom Sandeval. Tom Sandeval is so big. There's celebrity big brother Cody. Like, it's just, it's something you see. Like, like the, like Chuck LaDé. No, it's a metal world. But you know what I'm saying? Like, just like

a resolution, like, what did you do that? Um, like, what do you want me to say? No, I'm like, okay, fine. So Tom Sandeval's right now it's too early. You know, but all these people won't be on the

“journey. Finally to get his journey management up before that Tom comes. Is there a jury house?”

Oh, and the flashback? No, uh, I don't think. Yes, wait. It's so tough. Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think we ever get on the scenes for the jury house. Okay. Yeah, the, like, I will say not to be a sand of all like defender gear. It flashback. It didn't seem like he was,

like, Tom, you do need to be a little bit careful and like, what you're promising to people here.

So, and then also, he takes it, tap for being so worried about his reputation, that he's talking, wanting to get Jackie a sympathy, but because he's worried about how bad it looks for him to, like, not stick by his word and the fact that she took this as him saying that she was going to, that that he would keep her. So that didn't help us, guys. Yeah. So when we get to the actual votes, it ends up being that we have a hinky vote, and there are three votes against Christine,

and we don't know for a long time who the third vote was.

And it's friendship, you know, um, we've found out that it's, it's Paul. Yeah. Look at that, um, you've put him on the block as a pawn and he's like, I'm not playing that game. Let's spice things

“up a little bit. And I think that is, you know, from, I mean, played almost like almost half a year”

in the big brotherhouse over over the course of two years. And so, um, yeah, uh, he's got a lot, and he probably had a lot a lot of time to think about that kind of stuff too, you know, uh, because when Paul was locked in, Paul was locked in. And so, yeah, I could, I definitely see, maybe like some of this is just chaos for chaos sake. The part of it is like, I got to do something. I don't want to be like a pawn star throughout the whole season.

Big brother loves a hinky vote. And obviously, they were already talking about, you know,

“this man that promised, uh, Jackie a vote, um, and that getting pinned on Tom. So I think”

that Paul saw an opportunity here and took it. And, you know, I don't hate it. Okay, okay. And now you're ready to leave. And now you're ready to leave. And now you're ready to leave. With the E-recept on your own card and the shop-app with your description, you're ready to leave. You're ready to leave. You're ready to leave. You're ready to leave. And with the E-recept, you're ready to leave. And with the E-recept, you're ready to leave. And with the E-recept, you're ready to leave. And with the E-recept, the E-recept, you're ready to leave.

And with the E-recept, you're ready to leave. And with the E-recept, you're ready to leave. And with the E-recept, you're ready to leave. And with the E-recept, you're ready to leave. And with the E-recept, you're ready to leave. And with the E-recept, you're ready to leave. Right into his hands, because a big brother, you know, when stupid shit like this happens, you got to memorize it. And so, Paul, so, oh, this is dumb. I might need to lock in. And yeah. And it worked out. That was the whole point of Paul being upon, was that somebody needs to win this. We can count on Paul to do it.

Yeah. One of the character's names in this fake, you know, the character was Autumn Summer Winters. Real. Just call me Jenny Autumn Summer Winters. It's a double hyphenid. Who knew? And yeah, it's a lot. Is this a lot? Okay. Is there anything else that happens in between after Jackie goes home? And then when we get to our next supervillain? No, I mean, there's a lot of, there's actually surprisingly a lot of strategizing going on. You know, this is the, we kind of lost over it. But Jackie and Jackie is one of her, I guess, one of her pitches, when she goes to Johnny, she's the one who says, like, you know, Christina has a boyfriend, right?

I'm like, look, Jackie, go. I really thought that that might turn the tables a little bit. But no, the alliances still, the alliances still strong. You know, we know that Paul is working on the inside to kind of tear it apart. But no, we though the alliance to watch is this five person one. Yeah, that the Ashley Mitchell room and then the top five personal alliance. Ashley, Johnnie, Tom and Tyson. Yeah, that's it. Those are the five. And you got to be them in the challenge and we will see that that is hard to do.

Uh-huh. And you would think. Okay. So we have the Tea Party challenge, which Chappelle, is this basically the present game from Squid Game, the challenge?

“Yeah. Yeah. It's like you cover your eyes and put a little present on it. You have to determine who did that to you. You know, I like it. I like it every time we do this. This time it was fun. You know, they all got to die.”

It reminded me a little bit of that big brother game to Rob that they did last season where they were having like the martini, the cocktail party or whatever, and they would drink it a poison. That's what it was. And so yeah, we kind of see people kind of like telegraphing who they trust or like, oh, putting something, putting the little the tea on somebody's table and saying like, well, I do trust them. And I know that they trust me. So they won't think it to me. You know, so we got all these villains doing strategy that we wouldn't see in their normal seasons.

So the last three people that are left or it's Tom Sandewall, it's Johnny and it's Tyson. Now could Tyson be the supervillain of the week two weeks in a row.

We didn't want to, which I think is fair. It's like, you know, this is a smaller cast. You stick out a lot more if you're winning competitions and having a lot of control.

“And a game like House of Villains. So I think that, you know, Tyson strategy of like stay in it long enough until the last people that are left are people that I would feel comfortable being super villain of the week is the right strategy.”

And he gets into the situation where he can kind of decide how it ends, right? Yep. Because if he or Johnny doesn't accept it, Tom Sandewall is going to be the supervillain of the week, which they could have done, but they end up letting Johnny take control. But we'll see if that ends up being a mistake. It's tough. You know, being a supervillain of the week, you do get immunity. And if you're the first supervillain, we haven't talked about it, but you get to this nice HOH week that you get to keep all seasons in the nation.

Oh, yeah. It was great. Yeah. Yeah. They put this one out of their ass open. So they gave it to Tyson and he gave it away because, you know, there's some strategic merit and not having all the power and, you know, prestige of being a supervillain of the week.

And so I'm sure he's willing to give some of that to Johnny just in case Johnny wants to make some enemies always on.

And it wasn't clear to me because Tyson gives the room to plain Jane, which was like Tom Sandewall's idea. He will make sure you're aware that that was his idea. Which I actually do think was like a good move, but like Tom was so concerned about like not having Tyson, like we were supposed to room together. Please give your room away.

“And so Tyson makes it, you know, a good game move here, giving it to plain Jane. It was not clear to me that the, these rooms stay permanent because I don't think I think Johnny might still be in the room with Ashley and Paul and that the,”

the supervillain's suite just has just become plain Jane's room.

Well, it was going to be Tyson's room for the entire season. That was the thing about winning the first supervisor.

For the whole season. Oh, I was supposed to be like the HOH where you get it whoever's supervillain of the week gets it that week. Joe told him it's yours until you leave the house. And so Tyson gave that up. Now, Johnny obviously, you know, there was already a, they were already short one bed. So I think they are in the same room because they were already short of it. And now, you know, if plain Jane doesn't survive this round. That house, I mean, then that will be vacant and that might be another little strategy because for some reason in this game, your bedroom is a really big deal. It will get you voted.

Yeah, they're having like big bedroom quarrels over I want the good room. I just want a bit, you know, like, not even like being the rooms with people. This is why I wanted to be in and I said, I said, when I said, you know, and yeah, they're really burning down behind the bedroom for sure. And there's a reason why New York has been in the same bed in the same like room all three seasons. Yeah, this is where she charges up. It's her dog station. Yeah, okay. We talked a little bit about the Joe Joe, see why incident.

Well, I'm not even quite sure I know what the argument is. Like, so Kate was saying that Joe Joe is doing this stuff for the money.

Okay, I think I understand. I think I understand. First of all, how wild to hear the name drop of another show that Robin I in the past have podcast about.

Aschiports is colon world stuff is test getting people strong has civilians still going strong. Roboval together. They've canceled so many good ones and special forces colon world stuff is test is is just some people really like there. They yes, they do and God bless them and their souls. So okay. My interpretation of this argument is Joseph Cua was on special forces colon world's toughest test in the same

“season this time. Santaval and I think that Kate was saying like what is Joe Joe Cua doing on the show?”

Like she does not need to do this. She's you know out in the the barracks with Tom Santaval and then the perception was is that Johnny sitting at a table and he kind of pipes up and saying says like I don't think that people get paid the same for these some of these shows and that for some of these people it's like Hey, yeah, like you get a you know I'll take I'll take whatever work is offered to me and also it could be a good move for me to just get my name out there for like my brand or whatever and so I think that but then

as someone who despite coming from a very very popular show might have taken this as a slight being like hey, sometimes you just got to take the billing that's all for to you.

Kind of taking it personally and being like not everything is the same and Kate taking that is like him being inserting himself being like listen, this is how it works. This is one of those scenarios where I think that like both people were wrong about like the perception of what was happening here. I don't know. Am I misunderstanding?

I told you I didn't know what they were arguing about. I was like I don't get it. I mean, I kind of like lean with Kate like in a way where you're like why Joe Joe see why I doing world stuff is this I mean, I think whenever you see the cast of world says it says you're first question is why is this right?

Why would anyone do it and it's literally every person, but yeah to to to to to Johnny's point don't don't just did a big brother like Joe Joe Joe.

We look at the work is you know what I'm saying don't need work. Yeah. Genji Jim didn't work so maybe he doesn't doesn't have a great sense of what Joe Joe see was finances are

“Exactly. I think that's what Johnny's trying to portray maybe is they're like you don't know what people situation is maybe they didn't need the money and Kate's like you know about it needs”

And you know what in a way I also don't fault her for that Because as someone who like cover the show I'm like yeah, I'm like I can do it. Sorry Like you might die. I feel it's not dying. Do you know that they could not recruit a person could not call me today. I'd be like come on this show. I'll give you I'm not going. Sorry No, I would be happily poor. So at the paintball there is Johnny and Tom and Dried up. They go and they're at or the painting and I guess that this plan was talked about beforehand of like hey

Maybe Tom sand of all should he Paul says like maybe he should be upon this week. Yeah, yeah Tyson like the posture. You so much we'll see how much see like sand of all likes it, but notice how it's not Tyson getting put up as a pawn and that it's Tom getting put up instead like I'm just saying like there's a reason why it's not like an eye for an eye type situation Or it was like Kate Tyson you had to make Paul your pawn last week now you play pawn. And no, it's Tom. It's Tom That's going to do it that they're discussing, but it also comes from the same paranoia about this vote

You know Tom has now put it out there that he suspects that Paul is the one which is correct Imagine the world where like the only person that's like clocked the game move

“Like a you know a good fun game move is thoughts and evolving like no, I think it was Paul”

And so you know that you have two people in the same alliance kind of throwing their names back and forth But it's kind of showing that Tom is the bottom of of this five-person alliance here. They're saying I hey, let's let's do a pawn situation in this time. We'll be Tom Meanwhile Joel ordered some pizza to the house and You opened the pizza box and there was a purple hand and then Tyson instantly grabbed it but then realized he didn't want it and gave it to Paul

Yeah, a handy we got it. We got the right hand of the supervillain And this person will be able to choose who is going to be on this on the hit list here and so You know, no vote. Yeah, it's like you know like we get to the we get to decide Together it's got to be a agreement. So this is almost like you know if Donna Kelsey got to ask her back up

He created her shortlist. Oh my god rid of you know some of it. Yes, I'll never let my foot off her neck

figure Yeah, and I will say like you know the execution of this didn't end up being as explosive and dramatic as we It could have been because you know it ends up going to Paul who I would say is definitely one of Johnny's top ally Here like it's you know they're going to be able to come to an agreement now what was confusing to me in the like

“Pussle over the hand was that I think that it was Tyson and”

Christine both for it and then for a second I thought that like Tyson was maybe going to give it up to Christine but Tyson is also You know not going to give power to someone that he just put it on the hit list and instead like and you know not keeping it himself gives it to Paul which is like a nice like

But I was really confused about how Paul came into it. Maybe his hand was also like in the mix

But there was this like I was like oh is Tyson going to give this to Christine This confusing no Now would have been more dramatic because like they're not on the same page Johnny and Christine about like allies I feel So he gives it to Paul and Paul's excited but then realizes oh wait hold on I don't have a vote and then this is also going to create some problems

Meanwhile Tom sand about does not want to be upon at all really pushing back hard on that idea And he's saying but why and he's like whoa I guess you're not that into the alliance then Yeah, why don't you trust this? You know even Dreader's back in Johnny up like why would anybody vote you out Tom uses this fool proof and Todd like I don't know about that I'll give him his things

Tom don't let nobody make you upon you know him saying like they're definitely times where it could be beneficial but as they say in the big brother house, Ponska home Ponska home

“I think the the right hand thing really the like was the thing that”

Causes to backfire and cause them to hold back on doing the thing they wanted to do because you know we'll get to it but obviously we're going to see them decide to not you know make this move of Of Tom being upon and I think that that really was because Paul was a vote that they needed if they decided They wanted to keep Tom as a number Goes away and like you know this is a small enough cast and that's a divided house right now

And I think that having you know Paul no longer able to vote becomes a big reason why they're like not willing to To you know take that swing right there. I think that anyone else gets this that they easily get Tom up on there And then they have the out of well we had to come to an agreement so I couldn't just protect all of my people like Obviously Johnny had no control over who was going to get this he wasn't even there But like knowing the power it had it would have been so much better for them if somebody from the other side got

Got to be in on these animations and then also serve out then you can make the argument for throwing Tom up there, but

“That's how civilians for you awesome villains baby and so”

Plain Jane ends up being the person who felt like that a good relationship with Paul

But unfortunately ends up being the third nominee that it's indeed that for the one

Roll that Paul had here of being the co super villain and seems like that Paul did not really carry a lot of weight in this decision Right because it felt like for a felt like Paul was like okay I'm getting Tom on the block, but then here you go where we see that Paul does have a good relationship with playing But I think Johnny had a decent relationship with playing as well and so playing is definitely like just caught off guard About all of this you know like I really I thought I've been working my social game

I give you I gave you basically my my dream vote for you not, you know screw me over like what's up? What's going down here? So uh yeah They came to a consensus that's the thing that the two of them had to agree So Plain Jane has the right to be mad at literally both of them and it just feels like in the moment Paul is the one getting the most of the Iron here. I mean playing does give Johnny his lashings for sure

But then it gets really he didn't want to get to Paul. Yeah. Yeah, I know it's

“I think the thing is that like there were other options like it wasn't just you know”

It wasn't the limited pool it was last like last round It didn't have to be Tom or Plain Jane it wasn't one or the other I we did see Paul tried to push back But you know eventually it seemed like it was not successful We even see Paul explain in confessional like I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something about like trying to

Like you try to tell this like juiced up testosterone some thing like that he's making a dumb decision like you try that Which fair So I do believe that because we see we see Paul say like we're not putting up Plain Jane like we're not doing that So I believe an attempt was made But choices were made to not

You know maybe give Plain Jane the heads up being like you are not the target you There are three people up there and we have limited options ish now

So I think that that's also the problem is that like Plain Jane thought that she's got you know something going on with both of them

Neither of them give them Heads up and that's a problem here. Who is the target? We've got New York. We got Kate. We got Plain Jane Kate I think is Johnny's target, right? He seems most

If it gives her a microphone to one of the producers and what you thought someone's like I think it ties it like that she is buying and I was like I don't like that Don't mess between them Jojo see well. Yeah the Jojo see yeah point to get Kate. But Plain Jane's reaction here Might have just Stayed Kate a little bit because Plain Jane goes left. I'm talking about goes off

If you talk crazy like that to me, I'd probably be more to you out Yeah, like up I've been your face like you know we thought we thought hands are going to New York's going Don't hurt You are just genuinely scared that there's going to be a fight So you know I clearly think it's gotten tense and and Joel hits hits us with the

“Top that the trader is like you know, so I believe that it was intense because in that moment Joel”

It's basically doing the mic drop here. So I agree with you Shappelle like I think that You know Plain Jane is basically saying like you just made an enemy but

The problem is you're doing it's your thing that's a two people here. That's not a great situation that had into

Three hours of house villains. I'm sure that there were many things that we missed at any favorite moments that we didn't talk about I mean you know New York going off on as well you know where she gets put into the On the hit list Kate going off, you know like you say a rabbit does feel like they are kind of incentivized here Not by any real and since there's no prize money to do to doing what they're doing But something about the production of this show says no instead of playing nice just cursed that person out

Just say some crazy shit to them and so we've heard a lot of insults in these three episodes So many that I can't even repeat um and one repeat Half of the half of the um the compliments I can't even repeat

“I was like oh, I'm not saying that and so yeah, I think that's what I think this show will always give you a some sound by it”

Very much so very much so yeah, it's a it's

You should not take anything well on this show is basically like okay if I can give you one at one piece of a device like

Don't handle anything with grace at all Any particular slate that you could find like please respond to it And yeah, it's it's silly but like there is so much strategic action happening as well so It's it's a really strange and funny show and then you add in all of the like Meta of it all like it's very self-referential it's hey it does not take itself too seriously like you know

Joel is constantly giving us you know the soup energy of like making fun of the various situation that they're they're in You know montages There's just so much there's something for everyone here on House of Orleans I will say we have the the montage at the end of like what's coming up in the season my notes were everyone going crazy

“I had nothing else to say about this yeah like what did I just witness what am I about to witness?”

I don't know it's insanity. Okay. All right we will Watch and learn what's gonna happen as we go through all of House of Villains this season right here on RHAP Is anyone getting the handy? Oh, Tyson. I think it's the hand We're giving you giving Tyson the handy give Tyson the handy he deserves we're giving Tyson the handy Yeah, yeah, congratulations. Okay, well we have so much going on right now between

House of Villains is just part of it. We just wrapped up talking about the traders and we'll see If we have some other interviews along the way but survivor 50 has also Just kicked off. Shappelle are you ready for club condo season 50? We so back. I'm so excited. Yes club condo is gonna be back. We're gonna be talking about a lot of these iconic survivor players legendary season and so hopefully we'll give you a legendary podcast to match. Okay, and Jenny

Of course we'll be talking to you all season long House of Villains. Yes, I'm excited for like the first club condo era of like

Survivor with like all returnies like I feel like this is unprecedented I feel like the mess is is is coming so I'm so I want to be on patreon for that. Yes, it's that's exactly Why it's it's too connected otherwise you've got to come behind the paywall for the mess

Yeah, they're more done. Yeah, they keep canceling all my other shows and you know Joel said it himself

He said like confusingly this is like the show one of the shows I've had

I feel it's honestly Jenny same

This the soup was on for many many years

“Even animal control I think is on season four”

community had a community it's always six seasons in a movie. Yeah, yeah

Well, they'll be here for the joke every time

“I think he just does lots of other little things so like in the bigger scheme of things”

But that's kind of where I'm at with House of Villains where I was like we got we're on season three we got peacock maybe like peacock money Just bring us more villains, but I'm very very thrilled that we get to continue to do this because I have so much

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