Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Ep 5 Recap

>> Well, actually, they didn't really win the game at all.

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“And here we are with a man coming to you from Miami, Florida here as he continues.”

The book tour of the century, it's Stephen Fishback. This is not even the book tour. This is just spring break for my kids. We're partying up Miami too. Spring break?

>> Yeah, because what they say is the best place for young children, spring break Miami. >> Yep, five and two. We thought it was time to bring them out to South Beach. >> Bring them out. Okay, all right, Stephen, how are you doing?

>> I'm great. I'm mad. I'm mad because, you know, I was a real one. [ Music ] >> Oh, wow.

I go back to the OG. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Two-bed coach didn't give her a nickname.

>> Yeah, you know, they never met.

>> Hmm. >> They're probably met at some point. >> We should talk about that. What we will talk about the coach. >> Yeah, we got to get into that.

>> Angelina was my most anticipated, you know, days from time to time memorial, very sad to lose her, and Charlie, one of my favorite new era players. So this is a very emotionally difficult-- >> Oh, I'm doubly said about Angelina,

“because not only did we lose her, did they use her?”

What the hell? >> Yeah, I don't know. >> Well, what we even bring back Angelina, if we weren't going to even show her.

>> Just one little brief jacket shout out.

>> That's it, that's it. So we could talk about all that, but a lot of people who are back here from a jam-packed double tribal council, as we close out the pre-merge, believe it or not, here. >> Wow, 17 person merch.

>> 17 person merch is coming. >> The shelter, can you imagine? They're going to have two rows deep. They're going to be stacked in the shelter. >> Make some bunk beds or any shelter.

Okay, so we will talk about all that here with you, but we have a lot of podcasts coming your way. I will have exit interviews on Thursday coming up with both players, the game, Angelina and Charlie exit interviews coming up. On Thursday, plus I'll check in with Adam Klein,

your friend and mine, and we'll talk about what he is seeing here. Not to mention, also we will have podcasts coming up later on this week with Rachel Lomont and Mary Hallen. >> Wow. >> Lots of exciting stuff coming up this week.

All right, Steven. So let's get into this. >> Oh, let's talk about the episode. >> Let's talk about this.

“>> Okay, I'd like to talk about, I think the tribal council and the vote”

that I think we have more to talk about because we've talked so much about the Christian, Ozzy, Emily, Angelina, tribe, Stephanie tribe. So much from the last episode. I'd love to jump in and talk about the vote for Charlie, which I really felt like that we were getting a riso

boot throughout the whole episode here tonight. I felt like that the edit was really going in the riso. He's going out direction. Did you get duped by the edit or did you see through it? >> I honestly did not know.

I legitimately did not know going into that tribal council who was getting voted out. And the most damning evidence against riso was this interchange that he has with Camilla, where they really positioned Camilla as the swing vote.

And they have this conversation with riso and Camilla. Where riso says Kyle came to me. He said like, he's my big brother in this game. If I ever needed anything before he was taken out, I should turn to you and Camilla immediately sees through it.

And I'm thinking, Camilla isn't going to want to be deceived like that. On the other hand, if Camilla is choosing between these two sides of like the D-Serie riso side versus like the Jonathan Rick and who else on that side? Charlie side.

I can also see her go with the more the subtly skimier side. So it was it was the interesting choice. >> So I love talking about this from Camilla's spot because I think that she's in such a fun swing position in this episode.

I love the position that she's in here in survivor 50 because this is the game.

“I think she wanted to play in survivor 48 and then sort of got like boxed in.”

And I do think that there might have been a little bit of PTSD in terms of Camilla in survivor 48 feeling like, hey, I did not have any agency. I was in a position where I was kind of the plus one of Kyle in sort of like the big guys alliance. I didn't really love that position.

She ends up sort of having the option where one of those options. I think looks a lot like what the alliance was that she was in in survivor 48. And I should have seen it coming that she was going to pick the option that was most unlike the position that she was in in her previous season. I think that that has really been this idea of open wounds which is the name of the episode

where that's really been the theme of the whole season. So I love this for Camilla. I don't think anybody's going to come back after this vote. Camilla, this is your fault.

So she's in a really great position coming out of all this.

And so I think that that's fun. As far as the what Rizzo said to her, I thought she was a little dubious but I don't think that she saw through her. She's like it's possible. It'll be weird, but I'll take it.

I just met from a narrative perspective. Like we saw her sell. We saw him selling her a bill of goods in her being skeptical of it. So like in terms of like if you think like where's Camilla going, I would say like that was the major evidence that she must side with the big guys.

But like I too like saw like this is Camilla. She's just come off this season. The big guys were the her like you know, it's not antagonists, but like what she felt locked into this big guy lines. And then there was a group that she kept on wanting to like get going.

And it's just like never coherent.

And here she has that opportunity where like the insurgent group has this chance to take out one of these guys who like in this like, you know, dominant alliance. And like, you know, of course she takes it. I thought that this episode and you brought up Rizzo. I thought this whole episode for him was one high wire act after another.

He kept waiting for him to okay. He took it one step too far. Whether it was with Charlie with Camilla with the with Surrey at tribal council. Talking about his accolades from survivor 49 talking at tribal council. So much about himself.

I kept waiting for everybody to turn around on him and like, All right. You know, you took it a lie. We were feeling you, but you went a little bit, you pushed it a little bit too much, but he never did. And that's really incredible that he ends up coming out of this episode in a really good position.

Seemingly where he has a lot of allies. He's seemingly won over D. Surrey Camilla. And he comes out of this from coming from a tribe. Nobody from his original tribe is here in this group.

He ends up he still somehow that he can't keep cutting away with it. He goes through another tribal council without playing his idol. And somehow we're so back, Riz God. Yeah, we're not cooked.

“What's I think like he's one of these people because he's got this youthful energy.”

He's so endearing. He has all this like boyish enthusiasm. When he is kind of like hyping up his own achievements. I think they're all kind of like, okay, Riz, I'll, you know, you. It's not like it's like someone maybe more intimidating in the surface if they were being like,

I'm so great and I did this and that. Yeah. It would seem like really like like a little Steven. Stephen. You called it the other day.

He is Mickey Mouse Alini. Yeah. I want, or is he Donald Duchet? That's one step too far. Was that one step too far?

Speaking of one step too far? Maybe. Yeah. But for Riz God. Yeah, he somehow that he has people like they're, they're enjoying his company.

Yeah. People are really liking, I mean, even like Seri. I'm not even, she seems so charmed by him. Yeah. She's like sharing info with him almost unnecessarily.

And I do think there's this element. I mean, there's probably two things, right?

“Seri probably sees I think like the narrative fun of it.”

Like here I am, the like veteran player. Taking like young enthusiastic goofy Rizzo undermarving. Yeah. And like what a funny pair we would be. But like I do think he's sort of like enthusiasm and charm.

And like I'm laying it out on the line for you. Really just like his disarming for all these veterans. That's all like so used to kind of like muscling their way through this thing. Yeah. That's the perfect word for him is that he is disarming because he is really a guy who thinks a lot about strategy.

But I think it comes in a package where he, I think he's 26. But he like does have a very youthful energy and look to him where no matter what,

And I do think it's disarming.

People never talk about Rizzo in the way that they talk about like a Christian or a

Cochrane or I've certainly you and I, you know, where it's like, Oh, they're too sneaky. I can't work with that guy that they love people. Really enjoy his company. You know, at some point, it seems like it's a turn off for people who are going out of the game.

But for the most part, it seems like that for the people that he's around. They really do feel very affectionate about Rizzo. Yeah. And I mean, de-approached Rizzo, right? Like that sort of way or this even begins is like D who's feeling kind of like left out of this group.

Or maybe I even left out of this group because she's included in the group. She doesn't want to like listen to the big guys like tell her what to do either. She goes to Rizzo and he's got this sort of like approachable energy. Yeah. I also thought like what a great sniff from Rizzo.

Like so, I mean, the trajectory of the Rizzo Charlie thing is two episodes ago. Rizzo goes to Charlie and like he wants to build a relationship with Charlie. Charlie's not having it. And in this episode kind of Rizzo sniffs that out when Charlie comes over to him in the, like, crack a dog and it's like, who would you tell about that?

And he's like, Rizzo is first of all like really put off by that.

And then when Charlie claims that like Jonathan was like sniffing around asking questions. So good reads from Rizzo about like what's going on with Charlie. He like correctly deduses a sense of the situation and then is able to sort of turn it around. I'd love to talk a little bit about Charlie where Charlie played such a masterful game in survivor 46.

“I think that, you know, old enough to remember you and I calling Charlie's game at points.”

Perhaps the best game that we saw in the new era and Charlie is back here in season 50. And seemingly off to a good start. But then we have Steven, would you call, this is sort of like borderline Shakespearean, where that Charlie is chasing this ghost of his survivor passed in that, and it's not even, it's false pretence.

Actually, it's all based on like a misrepresent, it is really Shakespearean. Yeah, it's based on a lie, a misrepresentation from Rizzo. And it totally triggers something like deep inside Charlie. And Charlie's like, that's it. He cannot be on the jury. And really like this blood thirst for,

okay, I need to write this wrong of like how dare you're not voting for your number one. You have to go home.

“I think it ultimately ends up springboarding Charlie himself being taken out of the game.”

And it was interesting that we saw fleshed out the Charlie and Jonathan relationship, which was an interesting duo. I'm disappointed. We didn't get to see more of that because I think that that was such an interesting dichotomy of those two different players together as an alliance. But so Charlie is, we see him with Jonathan, Jonathan, we see talking with Rift Evans.

And it seems like that there's these this group and they're really looking at Rizzo. But we have this moment where Charlie goes to Rizzo and wakes him up. And I thought that this was cinema to me because as somebody, my kids are a little older. This was very much like, okay, hey Dominic, there's it's school. Why, why do we come?

And with the like, Rizzo sleeps in the boat in the fetal position. Charlie wakes him up. But you know, when you go back to survivor 46 something that I remember from Charlie was that Charlie is a great confessionalist. He gives a lot of like, hey, here's a, you know, pro tip fun fact. And Charlie tells us the viewer, every important conversation I've ever had in the game is first thing in the morning. That's when all the important conversations have.

And so I'd love that as a call back here in this episode where Charlie, then kind of dies by that this rule of the important conversations in the game happen.

“First thing in the morning when he wakes up Rizzo because he wakes him up to start asking like, oh, up by the way, who else did you tell about the idol?”

Wait, so that was that was a confessional in 46 about all the conversation. That's so interesting. A few brings wakes him up to, I think it was after Tim got voted out that they bring that's when they bring Charlie into the six is like the conversation. He's like, all the important conversations in the day happen first thing in the morning when the sun comes up. Yeah, that's so funny. And then that's so he's sort of like trying to like put live that and then that also ends up going out.

Charlie's like the CEO. He's waking up at like 4 a.m. and getting all his business done for the day.

But it is sort of like, I mean, we obviously almost saw a fraction of that as we always do.

But it did feel like a real sort of aggressive interrogation of like, you know, out of nowhere, you know, allegedly Jonathan is the problem sniffing around.

Yeah, so I think that that really did put Charlie on Rizzo's radar certainly will ask Charlie about that tomorrow in terms of why go to Rizzo at that point in the day to wake him up to ask him about it.

But I want to ask you about there was some interesting conversation that transpired at the second tribal council.

And there was a quote that Charlie had where he's talking about Rizzo and how the disadvantage that Rizzo has about not having seen his season. And I thought of you because it's something that in a different context that you two have talked about. He's totally stealing my material my God. Yeah, what is the hero of their own story? Yes, of which your context of that and correct me if I'm wrong is that you've talked about that exit interviews are not canon because of the reason of everyone is the hero of our own stories.

But it's the sort of, no, but I think it's the same point that he's making.

It's like you're not see like when you see the show suddenly you're like, you know, when you're in the show like you're the hero and he's saying it right to sort of like. Maybe like shrug his shoulders at all of like Rizzo's boasting. Yes, like in your mind you were this like Titanic force and this huge player.

“And that's what happens for all of us in our minds when we are playing the game like all of our moves and our subtle intricacies are out there.”

But then when you watch the show back, you see that everybody else is also doing these things you are actually like.

Maybe just one of many characters and sometimes even this a very small character in that narrative. Yeah, if I may, let me give you the full quote. I'd love to have you expand further on this that he says Charlie, do you see yourself as Rizzo and he answers the question of listen, we're all the hero of our own stories because going through the game in your own head rather than watching yourself play survivor and getting to see all the other stories. That's a unique perspective of somebody having been through the reality television experience and for all of our listeners and viewers that it is a really interesting thing that reality television affords you and it's something that you don't necessarily have the context of going through life not having been on a reality television show not to say that you haven't lived until them.

“But I think that the particular interesting experience that it affords you is that you live your life and you only live your life through the first person vantage point of you as the central figure in the story.”

But when you experience life on a reality television show that sometimes the story that everyone else gets to experience such as my experience on survivor all stars is not told through your first person vantage point and it can be a weird experience where I'm sure you've had this as well, Steven, where you've talked to people who have gone through a reality television experience. And then when that thing goes on television it is not at all like what the person experience and I think that there's probably even a few of counts of that in the wonderful novel escape.

But it's interesting to the thing that I always get I'm not a kick out of sort of tragic actually like I remember many many many examples of reality contestants saying to me like oh my gosh next episode they're going to show this thing and it was such a big thing and I mean that happened to me literally today it also happened to me like one I remember like. I remember pop a bear actually pop a bear from survivors of this when they show this thing that happened everyone you're not going to believe everybody to go crazy doesn't make doesn't make the episode at all is it like nobody ever even knows that this thing happened and but you or to hear the pop a bear this was like the big thing as part of his experience as part of his story really is like.

Recently in a trader's group chat with people like oh when this happens year oh this is going to when they show this and a lot of the things that they said we're going to be so great like I did not see them on my television.

“Yeah and I think that's that's it's very like humbling as a per as a human but also like even just like from the perspective of these people like playing reality to be.”

I mean I experienced it myself I've my not to go too far into the traders lore but I had my like my most fulfilling experience in the traders was I had a whole thing where I was I like I had a whole plot to get the traders to murder Michael Rappaport on the first night and I felt like so proud of myself I came home and I was like hey look I don't know what happens is whatever's going to happen. But I like played my ass off today none of that was in the show.

First of all you know it's it's all there it's all there like the editing is kind of what removes that perspective and I think that sort of why both and Rick said something similar to which is you know that I think is one of the reasons that they're able to kind of discount. I think it's a very interesting reason for those perspective it's because like okay yeah like your head you've done all these titanic things and like in the edit when you see your season back it's not going so hot for you but in fact it actually yeah.

I think it's a very good result of favor where I think that a lot of like his boasting I think they kind of dismiss it like okay yeah I'm sure you were really you really did all those things well he's on survivor 50 and they're like well like it's probably not going to be as good as it was but he really did dominate a lot of the screen time and it I think that they are sort of still not looking at him as the threat that he actually is.

“I think that's because of his disarming nature they're discounting a lot of the things that he's saying that he did before like he's actually telling the truth.”

Do you think if he played it closer to the vest which would like like if we were just in a vacuum not riso some human comes back on the show.

You know Rob and Steven should I tell everyone how great I was in all the things I did or should I just play humble and like go along with flow and try to like fade it back on we would say do the second thing. Yeah don't tell them. But if riso was more humble would that be worse for him potentially because it almost doesn't leave like it would create this mystery around him. They're telling them what he did people just this can't like do think like assume the opposite of what you tell them. So if you tell them I did nothing like he must have done something so I did so much like he probably did something.

“If he's calling us he's been alive he probably actually did nothing he's like he's probably a pathological liar.”

Yeah he's obviously just like talks a big game they love that about him they brought him back because he's a big talker.

Um is there do you think is is can't we like is this the right move for him to just be so close full I mean it seems to be working. It seems to be working. I'm really interested to see what his positioning looks like at the merge where as we we could talk more about how we think the merge could unfold. But if we get to this unprecedented 17 person merge is there going to be like a consensus vote of who's the easiest target. Who's the low hanging fruit how many people are going to go to bat for Rizzo in that situation.

“This is so we're going to go to bat for him is he going to go to bat for him how many people are going to stick their neck out for him.”

So I do think that he could potentially be sort of like low hanging fruit for a big consensus group vote. But as of right now I was a risk god doubter here in season 50 I kind of thought he'd be an early boot but look at him he's made the merge. Who does to him also has a lot of connections right now right now. Because he was in with his Colby Stephanie group and that is like the group. Right because like Stephanie's tight with Ozzy Colby's got this thing with coach and Joe and Chrissy you know now Rizzo's got connections with

Suri and Camilla and D like he actually think he might be one of the most connected players in the game through this like web of connections right now. Yes absolutely he has a lot of connections. I will say the counterpoint to that is that there is somebody who is very incentivized to blind side him. And that person is Genevieve who sent him the Billie Eilish idol he doesn't know he calls it a Billie Eilish. It's actually a Billie Eilish boomerang idol which is interesting that the people.

The people who get the idol don't know it's actually called a Billie Eilish boomerang idol they just call it a Billie Eilish. That's interesting like yeah because they don't say like well why why isn't a boomerang idol. They just tell them oh it's a Billie Eilish idol that's cute and what yeah if that's the question what was I made for.

And the answer is to get somebody blind side and I do wonder if he comes into a big with a big target on his back from Genevieve who is going to want to make him be a early boot in the merge.

So she could get that idol but we'll talk about that more later. I'd love to just talk more about Charlie and talk about his survivor 50 run here which ultimately ends much shorter than I thought it was going to. There's a quote from Camilla she who was upset Charlie came to her and told her about what the information that Rizzo had that Charlie tells her to lay. I thought this was actually a good move on Charlie's part but Camilla says Charlie is too slow. What do you think about it?

And that's repeated by the way that's a crazy narrative that's a crazy narrative it's like they've known it she's known him for like a day or two days or something.

There was a couple of two years later yeah and says like oh by the way like and because Rizzo beat him to the punch by six hours like Charlie's playing too slow.

I do not accept that narrative. Yeah, it's interesting I wonder if Charlie maybe put way too much stock in the colo for alliance and felt like that the tribal lines were going to hold harder than they ultimately did and didn't put enough attention into maintaining the relationships with D and with Camilla.

“But I really was very surprised to hear D have such strong words about Charlie coming in to the season.”

I thought that D and Charlie had a pretty good relationship.

D talked about Charlie who came after her on the as the on fire co-host. She felt like that that that they had a good rapport the two of them. She actually said that coming after Rick Devons or her in Rick Devons actually did not have a good rapport as the outgoing on fire co-host.

But she actually did leave her a note in the desk drawer.

“But her and Charlie I think that they were on pretty good terms that being said that she she I believe used the words to describe Charlie said that he's a stupid player.”

Yeah and again like that was why because like he's had that conversation with Rizzo in the morning about the about the idols. You know I wonder how much I again like I'm a big Charlie fan I loved his game in 46 I just like I love his vibe I love like his confessionals like you know that's my bias but like. I wonder if he was hurt here by being so tight with Jonathan where like it kind of like brings out a broishness that like when he was tight with Maria was not evoked you know like. Where like that's maybe what Camilla is more reacting to here and even maybe these more reacting to it's like yeah, you know Charlie by himself very I'm assuming he loves Taylor Swift he's very subtle.

But suddenly like Jonathan is next to him and like you got these two guys you know and then like bring Rick into the you know the full the brain of the average. More like a thing to react to you know like I was at a great point which actually James Jones made when I podcasted with him about with him like it's better to be allied with people who are unlike you because it's hard for people to like create a narrative in their minds about it and like you know so like Charlie and Maria like. I don't see this early something threatening there but with like Charlie and Jonathan and then even bigger than Jonathan Rick you know it's like these three titanic guys like suddenly there's like.

A story in my head about those three people and I wanted like that and like I'd make sense that like someone like D or someone like Camilla would react against. I just want to fact check myself I went back to my notes D did not say that Charlie was stupid she said that she thought Charlie was the most dangerous player out here but now she's saying that he might be the dumbest so I just want to be. I just want to be be clear about what she said what what she said there but yeah I just really was surprised to see D in particular turn that quickly around on Charlie but D really hadn't affinity for riso which goes back to where we're talking about where he really was disarming and just one other point about riso he really did a great job of using the.

The Billy Ilish idol that he has as an offensive tool to build support where you would think that in a tribe like this where you oh I gotta I gotta keep the idol a secret because if they're gonna like I'm the only person here from my tribe either could blind side me he went and he showed it to people and he won allies with it. Well and I do wonder again like his own ignorance about the boomerang part of it like it's not like if you remove this idol from play which serenows it's not like the idol is gone if I blind side riso.

I don't listen to this appear it goes to someone and I don't necessarily know who it was right so like I think like having a normal idol create makes a big target out of you but a having a boomerang idol it's like if I get rid of this person now suddenly somebody else has the idol and I don't even necessarily know who it is. So do you think that the wheels are turning for seri who has a lot of information about this she knows that the idol was found on the original sealer that went to Aubrey so she knows that also that the idol that riso got was not from somebody on his original.

Oh actually she she may not know when he got it because it happened post swaps so he started with genity but genity found that when she was at Kahlo and send it to him so I wonder if seri though is trying to triangulate who might have sent ris god the Billie Eilish boomerang idol.

“Yeah, yeah I mean I'm sure people are guessing like you have to think it's going to be someone from his original trial right because like who else even knows him.”

Unless you think like Savannah sent it to him but I guess like no because they're happy because you're right because like Christian slash Rick sent it to.

I want to ask you about the fallout from this vote Jonathan and Rick are both blindsided I think that Jonathan is going to be the person who is most upset about this that his number one got taken out.

Also he got betrayed by D and Camilla how do you think that Jonathan is going to react to all this.

“With grace I don't know what do you think I what do you think I want to be on this out like what I think he's going to be.”

Yeah, he seemed I feel like he's like not someone who's going to like rage out about it.

I honestly think he'll be like compared to Aussie I think he'll be more chill about it. Yeah, but going into the merge I do wonder if that's you know you kind of want to go back to the group of seal tweet that we put up the day about have you want to sort of build.

“What kind of sort of build consensus going into the merge is it better for D and Camilla to go into the merge trying to get back with coach and the Chrissy the people that were on the original.”

I'm going to go into the merge with out like hey, oh we blindsided Charlie now are you a little bit more off on an island where Jonathan is certainly going to return back to that group, which is now fortified with Colby and Joe and we'll talk about back group later on, but I do wonder if maybe D and Camilla are coming into the merge maybe with a bigger target on their backs.

Actually like you know to be honest like I did not when when D watching the episode when you saw this consensus vote from the from the that Callo for there.

And D's like well I don't want to go along with that vote like I understood that like D just want her season she doesn't want to be a passenger. Like I kind of think being a passenger there is the right move for D because of all of those factors like you don't know when the merge is going to be you know you don't turn on your your own tribe there is is pretty dangerous. And and D's already like a really threatening player like if I I get I guess she's she's a leader like she's naturally a leader yeah she doesn't want to take that back seat but like if I'm her I'm thinking like I need to like get more like more protection around me anything like have more more shields maybe she doesn't feel like she's a voice in that alliance and like if that's the case then like that's the fault of Charlie and Jonathan for not giving her that voice.

But I agree with you like I mean certainly now knowing that the merge is coming Jonathan's going to go right back to you know coach who's now like with you know got with Chrissy who's with Joe and Colby. And like what is this D group you know are they going to stay top or like D Camilla is Seri and Rizzo maybe maybe maybe maybe they do yeah but like she it does kind of like separate her from her original group that was kind of had some insulation because Colby was doing really well. It seems like that there's some factions that are you could put together and maybe this is another video we make during the week where that D has Camilla and Rizzo and Seri and this group that voted back together but.

Seri came in with Rick Devons and her she and Rick Devons are actually on opposite sides of this vote so it doesn't really seem like that maybe there's too many connections back to. I mean I think like if there are like one dominant group that I don't think there's one dominant group but then I think there's also another group which we see you know coach Colby Joe Stephanie is going to get back to them is Aussie come back come back in. The coach that's that's Aussie I don't know where Aussie is going to go but certainly stick with Christian and Emily.

“He's not going to stick with Christian and Emily so Aussie is going to go back with Seri and be part of that group with the women in Rizzo I think that that's certainly on the table but.”

I think this is really fun because like you know you've got this like like you've got okay D Camilla Rizzo Seri and then we're saying who are you putting with them. Tiffany Aubrey so that's that's seven you said yeah so I think it's five women in Rizzo and then if you had an Aussie that gets the seven. I think so I'm words Aussie going to go he's going to go back to Seri.

And now and then like give you Christian and Emily are in Rick are kind of back to being the swing folks that's there just swing folks so honestly like it's not it's not it's not um not obvious how this is going to play out. Yeah very very interesting.

Let's talk about okay let's go back to Christian and Emily and ultimately what happened this week with voting out Angelina and this episode really hinges on the

relationship between Christian and Aussie complete with South Pacific Cochrane flashbacks where they're saying the exact same thing it was so good. Yeah okay so going back to last week's move we did not like the move that Christian ultimately ended up making he does end up surviving a tribal council which I was more dubious about. You were correct that Emily flipping was going to stick by Christian side in this vote it did not even see we didn't get a lot from Emily's perspective but she did not even seem to waver in terms of her unconditional support well I shouldn't say unconditional but we it was not a storyline in the show that she was wavering about whether or not to stick with Christian or to cut bait and vote with.

Aussie and Stephanie yeah and I wonder if she actually was the sort of decisive I mean in my head cannon Emily is the one who says to Aussie like let's keep Christian because otherwise I actually think this is a bad move from all and maybe I still think it's a bad move I like in my mind the voting out Christian is the right move for Aussie here where like Christian is a big threat he's just kind of betrayed you. Emily you know this freeze Emily from Christian yeah this keeps Angelina who wants to work with you this keeps Stephanie and why keep Christian in the game at this point now you've got a shot in the dark too.

So I the only narrative I can have from this and I'd love your perspective is like Emily basically said like no let's like made the case like hey let's keep Christian here and I just don't show that because it would give away the result of the episode.

“I think that that's probably what ended up happening here in terms of the shot in the dark if Christian is voted out Aussie cannot use a Christian shot in the dark correct.”

Why not I don't believe I don't believe that you can use somebody else's shot in the dark I don't think it is transferable like that says.

Really oh I didn't know I just assumed it was. We might have to find out from somebody in a new era player who would have the rule the distinction on that but let's talk about this from Christians perspective first I'm a little surprise you know that it took Aussies. I mean I think I think that's a big feeling about this vote for Christian to not anticipate that this was how Aussie was going to feel. Yeah I think this was a misstep I mean like Christian you know I respect you so much probably listening Aussies probably not.

But I do think this was an honorary note.

“I think leaving somebody out of out of a vote is an especially an ally especially person you've been on a tribe with like literally going to every single travel council.”

It's a classic way to make someone feel quite literally left out. Yeah but also blindsided like I am not surprised at Aussie is that mad here I mean and I'm not surprised at Christian is doesn't get it. We've it was in the episode we've literally see Aussie have this same reaction this isn't like oh I blindsided you and he's being such a baby like what is that what is up with you. Well you just sort of forget though you just sort of forget about something that happened like 15 20 years ago you know and because when you're in the moment with someone you're like this is this part you know you forget about their like TV legacy.

I don't know I don't think that you can in a returning player season forget about like okay Aussie's a perfectly logical player like he's going to like he'll definitely understand why we had to ultimately blindsided Mike white without telling him like he knew he had to not tell him he knew that Aussie would blow up the whole plan.

“So I think that I he's for me frustrated that this is how Aussie is reacting but I think it shouldn't have been a major surprise that that was the case.”

Now we saw then after Aussie's initial outburst that Aussie meditated and then seemed to then come back and have some sort of an understanding do you feel like was that this an authentic. But don't forget moment from Aussie I don't think it's for give I think it's like acts calmly and don't forget or for you right like I think he's like again like legitimately genuinely good we did have this very funny beat from Aussie where he's like yeah I totally would have blown up their game like Christian if he was going to blindsided Mike white made you know big yeah made the right choice in leaving Aussie out of it but.

I want to bring Stephanie into the equation here and we talked about this last week with Sam Falen and I think that Stephanie was disappointed in my asking of the question of why not Stephanie even though I think a lot of people.

“We're thinking why didn't people go after Stephanie here and Stephanie we saw in this episode more of the things that Stephanie has done to sort of shore up some of these relationships.”

I think a big piece of information is that Stephanie was part of we saw Hugh talking to Aussie but it wasn't in the episode and bad on me for not assuming that this was the case but Stephanie also was looped in on that hey we were part of the group Aussie that sent you the Billie Eilish boomerang idol so there is a bond there between Aussie and Stephanie. Yes and you know to your point like Stephanie deserves credit for creating this I mean like we're such to the point where nobody's targeting her I mean she obviously did it with Mike too right where she is creating these bonds proving herself to be a loyal player and getting in with these people who are allegedly like driving the votes.

As someone who they everybody seems to feel like could be on their side a lot of people called me out like why did you give the fish to Emily and not Stephanie Stephanie you guys are all saying Stephanie is. Stephanie should have been the target she wasn't anybody's target yeah like surely she's we didn't see it unfortunately it's hard to like because we saw so little from her it's hard to like award her for something that like happened around her but like obviously she is doing this deliberately and she's a great player she's played you know again like.

Multiple multiple times she's gotten you know to the ends once and I haven't seen what I'm all unfortunately it's my once she didn't get to the end.

I want to spoil it for you, but she did get to the end. I didn't see but how does she do you see when Danny was on winners of war. Yeah, yes, okay, but another thing that I think is also part of the equation something that was not in the episode that is also worth talking about and I read the comments somebody was like hey Rob you're being so stubborn why aren't you talking about this is like well I didn't I didn't even realize that this was the thing but I believe that this is the case where the group that they're part of that somebody from the David versus.

“from the David versus Goliath three had to go home. I think that in terms of from the Aussie Stephanie Emily perspective they didn't want to go to five with the David versus Goliath three.”

So I think that also that was the one of the reasons why Stephanie wasn't even on the table as an option for anybody it had to be somebody from the David versus Goliath three go home.

Yeah, that makes sense and again like I also think like you know it makes sense why Christian took this shot now where like if they're constantly being perceived as a David versus Goliath three now he sort of has this like one moment where he can kind of take out Mike. I mean you know there's so much wrong with it, but I also think there's there's something right with it. It's a you know what this is an interesting move because it's got pros and cons highs and lows. I want to talk about Angelina where in this season we were you know obviously so excited for Angelina to come back.

I think like that she was so under edited in this episode and it wasn't that she was not on tribes that went to tribal council she was she's been to tribal council the last three episodes and so I really have been very surprised how little Angelina we got. Yeah, and I do think like some of you know the joy of Angelina one point. Oh was all of the sort of unintentional comedy you know she was so authentically herself and there were so many just like sort of like.

“You know funny moments that came out of that and now I think she's older maybe she's more in on the joke in a way that's like less authentic and less funny you know.”

Where like you know even her giving the jacket it was such like a thing like this is my stick I got to give this jacket to you and so it was like it was sweet, but it also was like a little bit too knowing yeah I think what made Angelina one point of such like a wonderful character was that there was like none of that knowing this about her like she was so authentic when she went for that you know she she was she was so sincere about that latter and how dangerous that latter was you know and how great and negotiate or was and like that was what was like great about her as a character and now like now that she's like knowing about it.

Like knowing about it it's like a little bit less you know yeah she returned to survivor with the gift of self awareness and in her return Angelina became Dr. Allison.

Yeah and there is that and I think that I don't know if she but but still we want to see Angelina.

Yeah well it's funny like everybody's got everybody's story right they're all sort of being like up and did by their own baggage right like Charlie doesn't want to be like that person who didn't vote for there you know their number one. Angelina's baggage like was her own lack of awareness and then she's undone by that because she's too aware and therefore edited out of the show. Yeah but I feel like that we only have Angelina for five episodes here I feel like that they could have shown like even if it's like okay well it's it's not going to be as funny as it was the first time like if you still want to see what she's doing.

Yeah we really saw very very little yeah we got to get into everything tomorrow with Angelina but I really was surprised so for Angelina I mean did she do anything wrong here other than be part of the David versus Goliathre. Um I have no I think she if actually you have it this um let me I will let you finish answering the question that I asked you that was a bad pot. No I was but as you as you correctly into it it being you know a professional podcast or I had nothing nothing.

Yeah should she have gunned harder for Christian following him voting out Mike whiteware should she have been leading the charge other than because she ultimately votes with Emily in Christian.

“Christian again Stephanie should she have gone to Ozzy and Stephanie is like hey Christian he got rid of our friend Mike white we hate this guy he you should have heard what he was saying about you to.”

Yeah I mean you do your point like yes like she votes with Christians like fake plan to vote out Stephanie instead of the. I think so I mean did she do something wrong I mean the old narrative we saw about Angelina was that she was perceived to be lazy around camp maybe she should have worked harder around camp. That wasn't in this camp and not even the only person well there's Stephanie was was from group and so maybe like there's still sort of that I do feel like once you're a target you're sort of always a.

Yeah you know you can never like really escape that and so my guess is like from Stephanie's perspective like yeah Angelina's the target like obviously.

Yeah and there were pretty good. I mean the rumors from the premium interviews where Colby and Stephanie weren't feeling Angelina it seemed like that they were getting along fine on this tribe but maybe that was too much to overcome. But I do feel like that from Angelina's perspective it seems like that there was like a fresh open wound that she could have maybe. Twisted the dagger a little bit with Ozzy in terms of going after Christian and breaking up Christian Emily. I mean why do you think Angelina goes back with Christian and Emily after they've literally just betrayed her.

“I don't know I think I'll have to find out I'll ask Angelina tomorrow but I think that maybe there's just like a comfort level of that because it seems like that Angelina did not love what Christian did.”

We actually saw a very muted response in the episode from Angelina in terms of her reacting to I mean the we come back you would think that Ozzy was the person that was had a seven year friendship with Mike white that was like extremely close with him and had this incredible like pre existing relationship. We did the really see Angelina say too much about Mike white getting voted out. It was all Ozzy's reaction to it. Yeah and I think you're probably right that she just felt a comfort level with Christian you know they probably said like what Mike was coming from Emily Emily is my number one ally it's not about you Angelina like I wanted to break up the David versus Glya three this is great for us now with both like freed from the shadow of Mike white.

And you know here in this group we're like she has been against Stephanie or Stephanie's been against her and you know she doesn't necessarily have anything with Ozzy and also remember Angelina and Emily had this like bonding moment right at the merge right where like they were like hugging and weeping and you know suddenly like Emily had found her true alliance and you know last episode Angelina voted against Emily but like maybe there's still that sense of like maybe Emily comes back to her and it's like hey this time let's really do it.

“You know now let's get out Stephanie. Yeah how about Emily moving forward she did get the fish I think she deserved it last week she has come into this in a really great position.”

She's not even talked about as the person to go home next she really solidifies her relationship and working relationship with Ozzy in this episode. Christian is coming to her as a confinant once again so things are looking up for Emily.

And as Ozzy remembered that this this this episode he says oh yeah Emily tried to like loop me in and I missed it.

And you know I do feel like a lot of people's criticisms of Emily this season have been because the story is being told from like Christians POV so it's like things Emily is doing that don't help Christians game. Even when she was like telling everyone about the idol was that bad for Emily like in many ways that was actually really good for Emily because Emily was building a lot of bonds on the back of somebody else's information. I know she builds bonds with Ozzy and Q you know which obviously Q's gone but like you know it's great for her connection with Ozzy and you know she builds a bond with Angelina when she says that.

And then she goes and Christian and says like oops I'm sorry you know and like then sort of heals the wound with Christian so like does that like.

“I don't even think that was necessarily bad for Emily's game I think that built a lot of connections for her didn't cost her anything it cost Christian something maybe.”

And in general like I feel like maybe I don't know if it's deliberate or messy but like I don't think it's bad. I'm trying to think of where people were gunning for her a Mike White was the only person gunning for her everything else she's done you can quibble with it but it has only improved her.

Your actions have only improved her positioning every single time it has come at the expense of your other faves but it's helping her.

I almost wonder I mean like obviously it would be stupid for the vote at Christian because Christian just like put his neck on the line for her and like when someone does that like you don't want to take that person out of the game but I almost wonder if she would be in a better spot without Christian because they're perceived to be a pair. You know the clock tower lines that all these players are huge clock tower fans and they probably watched all the episodes. And you know I do wonder if like I'm just going to have the same kind of like power right like they have a certain nerd power.

Well I think that Christian is an amazing nerd shield for her go back to Sophie and you will and I think that she's looks at Christian as a golden parachute that at any point in the game she can blind type Christian step him in the back and really prove her bona fides.

“Like I wasn't going to work with Christian I've just voted him out. I'm with you guys. So I think that she has that ace in the hall that she's ready to play at any point.”

Yeah I agree. You know I'm just going to play with the player and then I'm going to play with him and then I'm going to play with him. So I'm going to play with him and then I'm going to play with him and then I'm going to play with him. And then I'm going to play with him and then I'm going to play with him and then I'm going to play with him. So I'm going to play with him and then I'm going to play with him and then I'm going to play with him.

And then I actually really enjoyed it and it was funny seeing Joe and Colby's reactions but I you know what he's like for the viewing audience like so much easier to connect with wizard and warrior right stone ball munk and yeah found warrior hey I'm at the coach concert I don't want to say hey everybody I know you want to hear my old stuff but I got something off my new album here for you this one's called the oak belled monk.

“But you know what there was a moment where coach kind of says like this is finally me world you know he's like being I think this is the closest to the true coach that I feel like this show has seen you know I do feel like the thing that.”

The TV version of coach always misses and it's like him being a little bit like grand eloquent a little bit you know a little bit more like two states meeting is like goofing this and like silliness kind of like come and it's like and his like sensitivity come forward a little bit more in a way that we I don't know if we've seen it so much on the show. And I really feel like that is the most authentic version of him and he's doing great isn't such a great spot. I love it. Yeah, so we've got Colby is the oak bound warrior so coach.

Stonebell monk three word nicknames. I think it's a little wordy. Yeah, yeah like stone bell you know just to just end it there stone monk stone monk stone monk okay stones monk and then oak bound warrior for Colby so yeah I have to say listen your mileage may vary on the new coach nicknames.

I also want to talk about Aubrey this episode because I felt like I have felt like the path I mean we've talked about Aubrey getting a slow start but I felt like the past three episodes we've really seen sort of like we be Aubrey almost like too much and here I felt like we saw the Aubrey we know and love like the fun Aubrey you know like in a way that was really encouraging I don't know how did you feel like Aubrey did this episode.

I thought Aubrey going to coach and wanting to extend an olive branch to coach and coach graciously accepting Aubrey into the group I thought was a win-win for both of them.

I think that coach might be looking at Aubrey similar to an Edna back in Survivor South Pacific where coach had his core group at the Apollo it was five or six but then he also had Edna who was like also on the side who was kind of like just his person.

“And I think that it might have rub some people around my like hey why are we keeping Edna around but I think that coach likes having sort of like this other exit off ramp parachute.”

Hey there here's this other person who's actually most loyal to me we're going to keep her around and will it annoy Genevieve if coach is going to bat for Aubrey what do you think.

Yeah absolutely I mean Genevieve's whole you know mission is getting Aubrey out like it sounds like that's like from both of their perspectives they have.

It will be interesting to see how that plays out because you know will.

“Genevieve who seems to have a pretty good relationship with everybody you know win out win over but now that it's emerged like maybe maybe doesn't have to be you know one versus one.”

Yeah I don't know I'm sorry that they have so much played up that all of these rivalries that we've seen the end of riso Charlie. Genevieve in Aubrey is coming to you know we've seen her have this relationship with coach but we also talked about Aubrey as being somebody who was really right for the picking in terms of working with this group that we saw vote out Charlie in this episode with D with Camilla we're going along with Tiffany with this group I do wonder could Genevieve be a target for some of the other people that are in that group that we saw vote out Charlie tonight.

Yeah absolutely I mean I think that you know they might I mean she was really threatening I think her season and and I think you could easily see them kind of like settling on her if she doesn't have like these tight relationships but I you know she seems to be in with that group of like Colby Stephanie.

You know it's too bad that Q is gone Q you know Kyle leaving the whole game that happens when Kyle got met a VX yeah push the reset button on a lot of this and it's totally different story okay.

The merge is coming next week a 17 person merge we've started to give it some fun do you feel like that we are going to have a traditional vote coming up with 17 people. He got a split him into right 70 or some some kind of like split split mechanic merge them and split them that's the survivor way we'll bring you together to tear you apart. Well I wonder could we have one merge vote coming up and then the traditional new era trope of okay next week could it be a double tribal council not you know eight night after we get through one person at 17.

I kind of feel like that that might be the way that they do and if you were ever going to do a split tribal council and break it up into two groups.

“I know we complain about every time I just this does feel like the right season to do that where you have to get rid of all these people and then you end up you'll be down to a little bit more of a more manageable 14 after that.”

Yeah and also you know because you know we have all these history between these contestants because we've had a swap which adds a lot more like complexity to the dynamics I almost feel like that split up will be a little more exciting. Although again like having a merge just to bring them apart a little bit silly. Still a little bit silly into a sure so it's it is day 11 I think at the end of this episode by the end of the next episode I think we're going to be day 13 we're going to be halfway through the season how did that happen.

And I know it's too soon this is so great I'm just like loving this season so much every episode is so great everything that happens even the things I don't want to happen or I love the players are so fun Rob you you Rob were a little bit down on this cast when it was announced were you I don't know if you were a lot of people were a little bit down on this cast when it was announced. I could talk about you are more and between the two of us you are more negative have you your as your opinion change.

My opinion on how they cast this I think stays consistent I think everybody who is here is worthy of being an all star survivor player my argument was always that a lot of the people we rushed back on to the show that we have all the time in the world.

I think everybody has brought it so far in survivor 50 but I'm still sad I'm still grieving the version of survivor 50 which was oops all legends.

I do think that has I like a little bit of the randomness of like who's this person and they're interacting with you know Siri and they're interacting with you know Aussie and coach like to me that some of the fun of it. I do think that like the richest material has been you know the coach and Aussie rivalry or like series back at it again you know and I so I do think there's something you know Colby like can't hear and I was puts broken you know what happened to Colby.

“I have a off screen injury Colby's whole story line is is being injured I think we all regret you know no Lauren Rimmer on the season no you know like what this is obviously but but.”

Oh for all it's really fun I get like I kind of like the yes I have no complaints about the episodes of survivor 50 maybe too much that brown fishing but other than that like it has been largely you know super super fun you know we're looking like nine out of ten it's been really really strong start to the season and everybody has really been firing at all cylinders.

Yeah including you great and well and it's been really funny I feel like the show has gotten you know a little bit like it's humor bad.

What did you think of Jeff probes impersonations you're a classic impersonationist so yeah I felt like that maybe the reason why they didn't need me on survivor 50 is like Jeff's like hey hold my beer I'll do the impressions funny guy okay so yeah Jeff did Jonathan. He did well well what's he did Colby he did Colby yeah and and then he Christian yeah. In front of Christian which is as somebody who does impressions that's the bravest thing to it's easy to do Jonathan and Colby when they're not there harder to do Christian in front of Christian.

Yeah I use surprise Christian didn't sort of pick up and kind of start riffing with him about about the Christian of it all I think that he handled it very gracefully I think that when Jeff is doing an impression of you I think you just sit and you absorb it.

“Yeah yeah okay mm-hmm like a sponge yeah and I think for anybody who is out there listening to impressions when the person is doing that the person gets done doing an impression don't say.”

That sucked or that's that doesn't sound like that person or that actually sounds more like this other person.

Sounds like you might have some some baggage there don't like that when especially if I'm on a podcast with somebody and I do an impression and the person the other person on the podcast like. What was that supposed to be this person with that. Are you talking about me is this? I don't think he's like I don't think he's on that but it's it has definitely happened to me and kind of like just like like ha ha ha judge you know chuckle and move on. Yeah I understand yeah okay that being said Steven are you ready to award the most prestigious award in all of Survivor are you ready to hand out the fishy.

Oh yeah thank you Eric Barger for the fishy award theme song.

“So I think it's a pretty cut and dry this time first of all I don't like just talking really briefly about the Vaatu tribe the Christian Ozzy Angelina tribe.”

Also Emily Stephanie so no nobody gets mad. I'm not sure this is the right move for Ozzy who seemed to be the primary decision maker here like I feel like for all reasons stated that. Ozzy probably was better served actually to eliminate Christian here I am kind of curious what Angelina's perspective is. My view is that Emily had to maybe have stepped in and save Christian because I don't I just don't see like or like maybe Ozzy feel some kind of loyalty to that original sealer group but I don't love this move for Ozzy I think it was I think I think you should be surprised like Christian on the other hand like on the sealer tribe.

It did really seem like riso just came you know came back out of no right you had this color for they were all taught they initially targeting him they brought in Rick it seemed like a pretty cut and dried boat. D is the one who seems to initially gonna go to riso and so like I wonder like does D deserve the fishy here but it did seem like riso was the one who you know he recruited Camilla he built this bond with seri to the point that seri is saying like I've never never done this with it.

Yeah, and riso is Mr. Stilier girl and somehow he manages to just like tell everybody about how great he is while also having everybody on his side he tells many people he has the idol is not flushed.

I kind of think you have to give it to riso what do you think. I think you have to give it to riso. I think that. All right, riso. Are you the she's in the first issue of all time first issue of the season I thought that there was a point for Camilla as a swing boat but I just think that in terms of the body of work that he did in the number of things that he did right in this episode.

“Many of which I thought would not work. I think that you have to give him just another fishy to add to his collection.”

Yeah, yeah, he just played a great game again like very very seem like a straight out consensus vote and he he works it.

Do we have an answer and maybe this is something that the great survivor fact checker might be able to some day on earth. Do we have an all time leader aboard for the fishy. It almost has to be Russell. I feel like Russell got every fishy and survivors 19 and 20. I would be surprised if it wasn't Russell, there is like a chart. I'd love to know sort of like who's on Mount Fishmore.

“Yeah, the thing about the fishy, you started doing it in Samoa, so it's only people who played from season 19 through now going into season 50. Did you award fishies during second chances?”

Yeah, I think I did actually. Yeah, I think I did it. Yeah, when I was blogging about it for people still. Yeah. So okay. So something I think that that's an interesting trivia question of who's the all time leader in fishy awards. Yeah, I mean, I really think it has to be Russell just because there were those two seasons were like literally they were the Russell hands show like back. He might even stole one in survivor reduction island. He might have one also. So okay, very interesting. And so we'll see we've got a lot of other podcasts to do here this week between the exit interviews and everything else we have coming up here on RHAP plus Steven we are we are really in it with the countdown to the tribe and I have spoken we're just about.

Right. Yeah, we're just about six weeks away from the book coming out, but we just announced earlier on Wednesday that the tribe and I have spoken is available as an audio book as well. I have been hard at work here in the studio recording the audio book of the tribe and I have spoken and if the tribe and I have spoken don't you want to hear it check it out. You can pre order all of it at Rob has a book dot com. And we've got our brand new merch that we talked about at the other day, uh, from the traders, uh, hobnobbing with the gliderati it's all available to check out Rob is website.com/merge I got to get my gliderati shirt.

I know I'm going to get a gliderati shirt too. I love. Yeah, we got to send Steven a gliderati shirt. Okay. Yeah. All right. And the body is T as well. I won't. I mean, that one too. All right. Uh, when of course, Steven is still talking about escape.

“Still still in forever. I think we think this when I do have an event in Toronto on April 8th.”

Um, and I might be going to Australia in October. Well, why do you, but like for our Straille Australia. Yeah, to some literature. So that's what I'm hoping to us. I'm literally. Have you been to Australia before? No. This will be my first time in Australia exciting.

I mean, if it happens, it would be amazing. Yeah. It's going to be a ton of Australian survivor fans that are dying to me. I would love that. That would be incredible.

But, um, April 8th most saliently I will be in Toronto. Um, right before the survivor episode, such great schedule experiments. That's okay. All right. Then we'll also have everything coming up for you this week. I'll talk with Adam on Thursday. And then on Sunday, we'll have Rachel Lamont and then the hilarious Mary Holland will join me on Tuesday. So be on the lookout for that. Then check out everything else going on in the survivor podcast feed, including the B&B. Why the double episode of why a blank lost this week. And of course, the survivor news with

Bryce and Wendell and Jack breaking it all down from this episode on Friday. I'll have a special later time for the patron Q&A around 6 p.m. Eastern. I will be taking your questions live. Sometimes we've been early or something has been later trying to get opportunities for all people to give me a call coming up on Friday. Patron only then will also have club condo. It was another great club condo this week. Shappelle has been on fire this season in club condo. So be joining us on Monday night to talk about everything from another great episode of survivor 50. And of course, just a couple of weeks away from the big week that my book is coming out will have maybe the I think officially the biggest live show we've ever done in New York City.

And then we have so much fun every Wednesday night and all week long over on chat, PCC, go to robbslipsite.com/vipchat and yuck it up with all the alumni. They say the stuff there that they can't say on social media.

They really do. They really do. Because they don't worry about getting dragged on chat, PCC. Yeah. Yeah. It's a drag free zone.

“And if you're an alumni, you should get on there because that they drag you if you're not on there.”

They say, "Who's not here?" And then that's what they dragged them. And I'm like, "Hey, should you have said that? That wasn't very nice." That wasn't kind. That wasn't kind. I say that in the private chat. That was a little unkind. I got to get reactions.

Yeah. That's right. It's a competition to get the most likes and reactions.

Yeah. As this life. Steven, what else is coming up for you? I'm just awarding Fishing's going to somehow, the book stuff is winding down and I'm working on the next thing. Yeah. Big next thing. I'm sure. Steven, this was a delight tonight.

This was great. I've extremely fun episode. Sad ending, but you know, it always was a long the way.

“This was always going to be the price of Survivor 50. We were going to start. We were going to lose our faves week after week. That's what it was.”

We agreed to this. Yeah. Well, you know, with great, with great happiness comes great. Pain. Yeah. Every for every up, there's a down. And that's what this is. All right. Every rose has a story. Yes. All right. Steven, thank you so much to everyone who joined us here tonight.

“Thank you so much. Can't wait to read what you have to say in the comments. Take care. Good one. Bye.”

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