Survivor 50 Ep 5 Exit Interviews

Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Sister Nino, back with you for a double exit interview after a really jam-pack episode of Survivor last night tonight. Today, this morning, even, we're going to talk to the two players who got voted out first, we'll have Angelina Kieli joining us, and then Charlie Davis, a great double

feature for you, and then we'll have this week in Survivor History. A palette cleanser after all the exciting exit interviews for you here today. Of course, you can watch them all on our YouTube channel. We're going to watch RHAP.com, we had a really great Survivor Know-it-all as well on Wednesday night, not to mention.

I'll talk to Adam Klein coming up today, and then Rachel Lamont over the weekend and a Patron Q&A to boot, so really, wall-to-wall Survivor 50 here on RHAP. I have Angelina on the line, let's go ahead and bring her in. All right, we are here with the icon who is sadly no longer with us on Survivor 50.

“But it's here with us today, it's the great Angelina Kieli, Angelina, how are you?”

Hey Rob, I'm doing all right, how are you doing? I'm sad, I am disappointed because I feel like that I am mourning you not being on the show, and I feel like I'm mourning that I feel like that I didn't even get to see as much Angelina as I wanted to. Thank you, that means a lot, how are you feeling about this season overall in terms of

who we're seeing and who we're not seeing? So I feel like that the season has been, I will say, I think it's been very fun. I do feel like that you're the biggest question mark I feel like in terms of like what we didn't see because I have to imagine you were delivering, right?

I mean, we'll never know.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, I changed in some ways, but I'm still with myself, so I mean, yeah, I was bringing the, I'm in the jewelry and bringing the heat, but it really, I was bringing the heat. Do you see that jacket?

I mean, it was- It looked very warm. Seriously, about why maybe we didn't see as much of you or I feel like that in the original David versus Goliath, I feel like that maybe you were not as self-aware as you have become now returning to survivor 50 and in your self-awareness, did it turn out to be in

the eyes of some, in the eyes of some, maybe that there was less fun to be had in terms of, okay, Angelina is in on what's going on now. Well, I'll say a couple things. One, my strategy to be a little bit more quiet and a little bit more under the radar and not rock the boat was intentional.

I knew going in that it was going to be an uphill battle to mitigate kind of that perception

of my prior self, especially with people that I had never met, especially with kind of

these more old school players, the honor and integrity folks, you know, I needed to show them like, "Hey, I'm a sane person, I'm a good person out here, you know, I'm not gonna steal your jacket."

“And so, yeah, I think there's that, and then I do think that there is a piece of, I would”

like to think that I have grown a lot, and I have a lot more self-awareness, and I, you know, I think a lot of what I was doing doesn't lend itself well, perhaps to a story that I was trying to tell NB to, to tell a vision. And I'm okay with that. I didn't go back on to be the star of the show.

I went on to try my hand at it again, and to see, you know, almost from a curiosity perspective of what is seven years, how does that change the game? How does becoming a parent change the game, which I know that you can understand? How does just time and growth change the game? And for me, it's like, you know, I was still me, but I felt, I did feel different.

I definitely felt different, and I think that, you know, I wish we would have heard a little bit more, especially around all the mic stuff and everything that happened there. Yeah. What was your reaction to the mic blind side? I was surprised we didn't see more of your reaction.

We really focused on Aussie's reaction, but I have to imagine, you were not happy with mic white getting blind side at the last vote. Yeah.

“I mean, honestly, I think the word I would use is devastated.”

The story with me and Mike that we really didn't get to see a lot of is that when we hit the beach at our swap back together, the very first day sitting down with him, and right after Emily told me that my whole first try was out to get me. I was like, Mike, I gotta tell you, I was like, you matter more to me than this game.

Our friendship transcends this game, and I will never betray you in survivor.

You matter basically what I told him was, you matter more to me than winning survivor, you matter more to me than the money, and I said, especially because it's only a million dollars,

have to reevaluate, but for sure, a million definitely matters more.

“So no, I'm not sure, yeah, like taxes inflation, you know, anyway, so all of that, you know,”

we did not see, but that was the experience that I had out there with Mike, and so for him to be ripped out, like he was, especially when I knew he was fighting for me, like I felt so guilty, really, like I felt like he went down trying to salvage this like wreck ship, and then he ended up getting the boo, and so I was like, oh man, like he really took a bullet for me, and so I was like, well, let me try to do the best I can to just carry on in our

honor, you know, but no, I was sad. I mean, I was crying. I really shut down using in the background when Ozzy's doing his fire thing, and I just, I didn't want to talk. Christian try to talk to me. I said, please respect the fact that I just don't even want to talk right now, like I don't literally admit it. And anyway, so yeah, no, I was, I really, I was down. I was, it really hit me

like a ton of bricks. It was, it was really hard. So how did you go from that to ultimately

making the decision to then work with Christian on a vote where he actually was selling you a fake plan and got you to vote for Stephanie. But I really thought that you would come in and say, hey, Christian, you know what, you took out Mike, that's it, Stephanie Ozzy, let's go. This guy is not trustworthy. So I really thought that you would have gone for Christian at this vote. How did you decide to work with Christian again? Why was I, I did try that. So I, I exhausted all the options. I, I tried to

work with Ozzy and Stephanie. I tried to really capitalize on the fact that like Ozzy was so scorned and I'm like, Ozzy, you cannot trust those guys. Like, I, you know what I mean? Like, I forgave Ozzy provoked if you were like, you didn't know, you're fine. I was like, let's get Christian out. Like, that was what I was trying to do the next thing. We did not see it unfortunately. But that was planning. They, they didn't seem to be a ton of legs with that. Ozzy has, Ozzy is, he's, he is an honest guy.

I feel, and so it was easy for me to read when he was not being, when he was lying to me. And one of his tells was like, he, like, would be like, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, that's a plan. But like, wouldn't actually like take the time to like make it like it was actually a plan. So I was like, okay, Ozzy's not with me. Stephanie's been trying to get me out. I'm like, okay, that doesn't have legs. So then I'm like, okay, then my two options really are work with the underlying Christian or

playing my show on the dark. And it was not Christian who sold me on this plan. It was Emily. Emily is like a spy agent. Okay, composable has nothing on Emily. Like, this girl,

“she can lie with the best of us. Yeah. I really think that like, she does this thing where”

she convinces herself of the lie and so she's able to convince you of it. Like, and we're not seeing that either. Like, she is the best player by far on the Bathe Beach right now. And has been,

I mean, she, you're a Christian who might be like, Emily is incredible. And you don't know it

and sleep with her. And so the way that she got me was she was like, she was like, I Angelina, I mean, I mean, like, I really, you know, she just, she was tearing up. Okay, she was, she, and I, I was like, 10, she needs this, right? So I was in it. I was like, okay, I was like, and she gave me that information in the first day. I was like, I could ride with Emily. I could see. And so with the Christian piece, I was like, oh, okay, don't love that, but maybe Emily will cut him eventually. But um,

what the way the Christian justified it to me, which logically made sense, despite how emotional inside I was, was that Mike was a liability for any of us, right? Even just being the three on the same season was a liability, any three, right? And because he was close to Mike, I was close to Mike. He was like, it's better for our games to just to have it this way. And I didn't want to put blood on our hands, but blah, blah, blah, you know, whatever he said. And I was like, all right,

“I mean, that makes sense to me. But I never forgave him for it. I mean, I honestly think that like,”

this is the biggest betrayal of the season. I'm him taking out Mike. I'm not me. I'm fine. Like, I was, I, I don't know when I was going to anything, um, you know, I've been coming for Christian for years. So Christian, but I don't know. All right, come on, you got me out. I was trying to get you out. It's, you know, right, all right, but no, Emily Emily was really the, she was the queen out there. And that Jiva, she got me. Man, she got me good. But no, so I was weighing shot in the dark

probability versus Emily being honest with the probability, they were pretty, pretty split, yeah, pretty even. And so my thought was, I shouldn't play my shot in the dark because if I do, I automatically signal to Emily, I don't trust you. And then if we're going to emerge, I, I don't want anyone. And so I was like, okay, well, let me like show Emily. I'm with you and doing the options that she actually is with me, then I have someone maybe, um, but we know how

that played out. So she had to pull it out the shot in the dark that night. Listen, it's still,

So I want to go back to all the way back to your preseason interviews. You had identified,

“hey, there's two people out here who I think are coming for me. Stephanie and Colby, you get the”

bad luck of that you start on the tribe with them. Oh, not bad luck. I mean, they choose the starting tribes. No, sorry. I was in my production. So I mean, you know, the swap tribes, that's that's luck. That's luck at the job. The starting tribes are manufactured. Yeah. Okay. Well, you start with them. Then you go with Stephanie to the second tribe that did things ever warm between you and Stephanie because it seems like on the show, it seems like that there wasn't any tension there,

but was that still an unworkable relationship? You know, it's Stephanie and I were funny because we, we got a long really well. But I think that she came in with such a preconceived notion about me.

She, she and Colby did that she could never get past that. And, you know, so it's, it's, it's

hard when someone already prejudges you to like, and you got, especially in survivor. And so, you know, we got a long well, like we were like, you know, chilling, talking about things, she was doing my hair, you know, girly stuff, but yeah, we could just never see eye to eye. And so, I mean, I, I, I tried.

“It was not for lack of a track. I, I tried with anyone, Rob. Here's my gameplay, honestly.”

I have no doubt, by the way. Oh, thank you. No, but my, my, my game is like, I'll play with you until you don't want to play with me anymore. Like, I had lost all the avenues. I'm like, yeah, I mean, even if someone cuts me, I'm very good at taking it and being like, all right, where do we go? Like, unless you cut me twice and it's like, okay, writing something along. Yeah. But cut blood to the meat, but no, so yeah, I, I have a very open mind

in survivor. I'm a very flexible player. And so I was flexible out there. I was just, again, exhaust all resources, but I got, I got really two bad tribes for my game. I want to know from you, what were some of the other things that you were doing out there, that we didn't get to see that we should have? Oh, man. Well, that, you know, and in the same breath, Q called me lazy, it's like, well, Q, who was cutting up the papaya with a machete for an hour

and icing it up so that we could have a bite to eat tonight, you know, who bring the water? And so it's just, it's a classic example of a bias. I mean, it's like, I was doing labor. I was doing things where they can't, but it's like, what do you prioritize? Or what do you choose to see? But what do you choose not to see? And the reason I was sitting squarely, I can't that day is I wasn't feeling well. I was getting like, how did when I stood up? So I was like, I don't want

to faint. So let me just take him in and get some water. And then the other thing too, Rob, is that I didn't, I was damned if I do an Indian, but if I don't, if I was running around getting fire what all the time, you better believe that he would've been like, she's sneaky. She's getting fire, would we can't trust her as far as we can throw her. Not at all. So it's like, it was going to be something, right? Because there was, you know, a block of people, I'm sure you've heard about them.

There were people, everyone talked to someone, right? We all pre-games. But there did seem to be like a little bit of a locked-in situation that was a bit hard to break into. And call whatever you want to. They go by many names. But I think that that group of people was a bit movable. Did you lead the charge to get cue voted out when you went to the swap drive? No, no, I was very much, I look, when asked of who I wanted, I wanted to definitely or cue, for sure,

because I was like, they're coming for me, I'm coming for them. And like, you know, let's do this. And so I was down for it. I was down for stepping your cue. And I let others lead a bit.

“Because you have to do that sometimes in Survivor. You know, I think that was the mistake I made”

the first time was like needing to lead. And now this time it's like, I had a lot more funness.

Again, we didn't see a lot of it. But I was like, happy to be led when the time was. You have to build, you have to build your capital out there. You can't just roll in, you know, blazing. And especially for a returning season. So I was just really trying to slow roll, but I slow rolled my way right out to Ponderosa. Alright, speaking of building, can you tell us and the listeners about what you've been working on outside Survivor? Yes. So thank you for asking. So when I left for filming,

the business, the brick and mortar business that I, uh, um, when an open was literally still in remodel face. So I, I left a budding business for five weeks to go film. Luckily came back to it slightly, you know, slightly better than before. We opened our doors in July. It's called

Joy-Babe Studio. We are a third place for early parenthood. So we are a hybrid. We have both a

We do I call it modern mommy and me. I hate that phrase modern. I, I do not use mommy and me because

there's a lot of caretakers now. We're all joining in. We got daddy. We got grandpa. We got grandma. We got the nanny, right? So it's, uh, we call them little babe classes, but essentially it's a chance to get out, especially in those early days of parenthood when little, you know, the, what do they say, the years are fast and the minutes are slow. So, um, we're in San Diego. We're in La Mesa. So if anyone is local, um, come and play, uh, book a party and, uh, we're building something

really, really special there and we've got really great receptions since opening and the fall. All right. Well, congratulations on all that. Please keep in touch. Okay. Oh, nope. You know, Rob, I got your number. Okay. You can't. All right. Good. Go. All right. Okay, Daddy. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. That's a lesson. All right. All right. There you have it. There's Angelina. One of the

all-time characters in survivor history and, uh, happy to hear everything that she has going on. And hopefully, uh, we'll get the chat with her. Many more times here in the future. All right. We're going to take a break when we come back. Charlie Davis tells us about his harrowing survivor 50 last stand when we come back right after this. All right. We're here with the great Charlie Davis. Charlie, how are you? I'm good Rob. I'm here with the great Rob. All right.

“Yeah. That's what it's right. Charlie, I'm very excited to talk to you. I always enjoy watching”

you on the show. I am disappointed because I really was surprised that it was, I'm probably as much as you that you were the person that ended up going home last night. You know, I think that you are, I would call you a student of the game, but I think if you almost like a professor of the game, because I think that you have a knack for talking to the audience in a way that maybe only like a Rob Mariano does at times where it's like, hey, you see this, what what happens now,

and you did it in 46 and you were doing it here, I'd love to know from you like now that you have the total picture of everything now that you two have seen yourself play in this game. What advice do you have to the future player about the return season? Oh, yeah. So they're really complicated.

“They're they're super complicated. And I think a good piece of advice for me to hit on would be”

think about really two extra layers. One, one extra layer would be like, what was this other castaways sort of narrative coming out of their season? Yeah. And what would they be telling, you know,

the production team and casting about like, here's what I'm going to do this time. Like, think about

that number two, this is maybe not like a hot, this is not hot take, but like maybe more outside the box is like think about what people's perceptions were on social media because I think it comes into play more than people think about people read all sorts of comments about them and about other people and they think about who the audience likes, what the audience likes and sort of trying to tailor themselves to certain crowds. I think that is definitely like a layer that that you

“you have to think about unfortunately. When you say think about the social media, are you saying”

that think about the comments that that person was reading and getting about themselves? Yes, exactly. Exactly. Think about the and and sort of think about people in terms of a little bit like how much do they care about like, you know, being like done, you know, Twitter or Instagram or Facebook or Reddit? Like, because all those things are very different, right? And I do think it comes into play, like, you know, Twitter is a very different feed than say Survivor Reddit or the

Facebook, like what people are scrolling, I think really, really gets in their heads. So Charlie, I really have to commend you. You really put yourself out there. You opened up your heart and you told us about your feelings about still dealing with the loss from Survivor 46. You laid a bear in that and that was very brave of you and I really commend you for doing that. And then

ultimately you did that and you got burned ultimately because of that. And I really, I'd love to know

from you was any part of all of this experience cathartic for you in terms of processing those feelings that you still have had. And maybe going on Survivor 50 amplified those feelings in a way that maybe did it help you ultimately process them? I think so, yeah, for sure. I mean,

Yeah. But I think it was helpful, I think. I think, yeah, just like, I don't know, just like think less about it. I mean, if anything, it's probably the lesson. And I read some funny comments today. I was like, Charlie needs to go to counseling and get over there. I was like, no, I promise I'm fine. I was out there on Survivor talking about these things, but I thought

“that wasn't the only thing I was talking about. But I think, I think it just made me be really reflective”

of like, you know, what do I want to like hold on to like within my person? Like what do I really want to like grip on to? Grip strength, very important. Grip strength, emotional grip strength, and yeah, physical grip. And letting go. Yeah. Also. Yeah. But I'm sure that I think you could hold those two things. I think you can be like a high functioning normal person, but also still have things that bother you about and experience. So I don't think that it's anything like speaking

from experience. Listen, I personally can do my reality TV heart breaks. And I know that there are things that like, boy, that that really sticks in my crawl, but it also doesn't mean that I can't also be a high functioning person. Yeah. No, I think I think you've hit the nail on the head. Like, of course, like probably for the rest of my days, like there will be times where, you know, things about survivor pop up and you know, certainly when, you know,

you're like, oh, it would have been nice to have had, you know, a million dollars back in,

you know, whatever year, 20, 24 or something, you know, you always think about that stuff,

“but no, absolutely like you can can. And I think I feel I do like fully functional side of that.”

And yeah. Look no further than to your muse Taylor Swift to know that you can talk about your emotional experiences in your heart and also be very successful. That's right. That's right. The most successful. Yes. No, that's okay. Okay. I want to know about the conversation with Rizzo in the boat. To me, I thought that that was so interesting. And it feels like that maybe we missed something in the episode, because it does seem like that you have this wild hair,

you wake him up from sleeping to talk about the Billie Eilish idol. And I know you love a morning conversation on Survivor. So talk me through. What were you hoping to accomplish there? Yeah. So I don't remember like the exact circumstances if I like truly was like Rizzo. Rizzo, like I don't, I don't remember. I mean, I remember we used to just like hang out by the boat in the morning like, you know, just in general. So I don't remember exactly if I like,

you know, abruptly woke him up. But I can tell you in that moment what what I had sort of been thinking on is Rizzo had this like really unique piece of information to the point where I was almost like this could be made up like it in, you know, when he first said it to me, but then as Zach Brown came out, I was like, "Oh, now this is probably a theme." So I thought he was potentially going to

“use that to basically so division. So that's why I was curious like who he had talked to about the”

idol because I wanted to know like what he was saying to other folks and and from my perspective,

like I was never being like loyal to Rizzo's secrets. So I wasn't concerned about like Rizzo

knowing that I had told, I got told everyone on my tribe. Yeah, I told Jonathan, I told the I told Camilla. Like without, you know, any without Rizzo being like, yeah, you can go tell them, which like I was not worried about that like annoying Rizzo because I was just not concerned with like, you know, did I want them to be like, you know, Charlie is, you know, airing your secrets? No, but like that wouldn't be a problem if they were loyal to me as well. So that was sort of my

perspective with that conversation. It's like I just wanted to see what he was doing if anything to kind of maybe use that to get inroads elsewhere. So yeah, was any part of you annoyed when you

watch survivor for probably a lot of parts of you were annoyed watching start 49. But then to ultimately

get to the finale of survivor 49 and to see that actually Riz god was besties with Savannah and did vote for her in the end where there'd be like, you stupid idiot, why did you lie about this? Honestly, not directed at Rizzo. I was more just like, I thought it was comical from my perspective. Or were you just like, hey, I salute you, Riz god. Yeah, I was like, you know, what? You voted for your number one after all. I mean, I found out at Ponderosa when I was just a man.

So like at that point I was like, oh, this is just like ridiculous. And I knew like it from like a if they, you know, decided to to know air this narrative on 50, which like obviously they did. I was like,

won't even room. They'll probably, you know, there's probably millions of fans who are like, didn't Charlie just watch 49. It's like, no, I didn't. Yeah. I didn't watch 49 before 50. It hadn't air.

So what if they say it a million times in the edit that you haven't seen it? Yeah. Exactly.

What God. So I was like, it's going to be like, it's going to be confusing to people. But at least they had like, Rizzo actually saying, you know, I didn't vote for it. Obviously it was a lie, but at least, you know, they could at least see where. Yeah. You know, that would at least prosper for me.

“How surprising was it that your original collo tribe members, D and Camilla didn't vote with you on this one?”

I was super surprised. Very surprised. I thought, I mean, if I thought they were going to come for anyone on that tribe, I thought they would come for Jonathan. It's sort of the dynamics on collo where like, it was a very out front out in the open alliance of like Tiffany Camilla D. And then they were targeting Chrissy Hardcore mainly because Chrissy was targeting them. So those were kind of the main bullets that were flying. And Chrissy was sort of tighter with coach and Jonathan. You know,

I had good working relationships with them. But I, I think ultimately I considered my, like,

if push really came to shove, I was probably going to vote with D Camilla Tiffany. So in my head, I was like, you know, this is my alliance. You know, there was a moment where like those three, like, kind of pulled me and was like, this is our four, like, I was like, sure, like, let's do it. And I was sincere. And I was like, oh, we should bring in Mike to be like our, our fifth vote.

“Like, if it comes down to it, um, because I think Mike was probably who I consider, like, my”

tightest ally. And we were sort of kind of could have gone either way if we wanted to. Even though he said he didn't want to work with you, he said it would have been hilarious to vote you out. Mike, yeah, in the beginning, right? Yeah. Yeah. I was, no, that was really funny seeing that because we ended up, we ended up talking tons of strategy. And I, I mean, I can, I talked to professionals. I was like, I, he was probably my tightest ally. We talked, he talked the most strategy.

I talked the most strategy with him. Um, so, so yeah. So in my head, like, I was like,

this, this is my alliance. Like, I'm good over here. I don't have any issues. Um, I was never,

never tried to like pitch Camilla or D, like, in any, in any serious way at all. Um, so I just, it wasn't on my right arm that they would, that they would come for me. Yeah. I was surprised that D really felt like that she was not happy with the way that you were playing the game. Was that

“especially surprising to you? Yeah. Yes, and no, I mean, I think we were playing very different”

games. Like, like I said, like, that was sort of the main difference, like, on color. Like, like, she was probably like, it was basically like D and Chrissy were the names going around. And I think I don't know what D was just playing like very much just like cards on the table. Like, you know, I'm not working with all those people. I'm working like this type group. And like, that's fine. But I was sort of more of the mind of like, why make so many enemies when we're

going to have swaps and merges and all these people. Like, you know, you're targeting Chrissy, but, you know, Chrissy's going to have other relationships that are eventually going to, you know, come into her favor. Like, why are we being so out in the open? So I think she viewed my gameplay as like shady because I wasn't being as like just totally committed to like, oh, I want to get these people out. You know, all of that was like, let's just chill. Let's hang on and hope because,

you know, you're going to make some enemies for a swap or merge little and I was apparently making enemies for a swap. But yeah, it was surprising to me because I mean, I was not coming after them at all. So even if even if D.V. and me is, you know, being dumb, like, I didn't think that she was going to come for me. So you did seem to have a really good relationship with Jonathan, who I thought would be an unlikely alliance for you. How close were you with Jonathan?

I mean, so on Colo, we were not not close, but I think definitely on CLI, he sort, he sort of gravitated towards more working, I mean, he definitely wasn't working with the women on you know, I don't want to say definitely. I want to be too strong. But I think he saw me as like the more natural person to strategize with on that beach. And I sort of viewed it as like he's a great in road to like this sort of old school alliance, which there was a lot of talk about.

So I thought it was good to be like on good terms with Jonathan. So I was definitely trying to nurture that relationship. And you know, we got along well. You know, we were like fun little wrestling skids and stuff like that. We did a lot of like, a lot of like work around camp and like getting food and stuff like that. So and I think that is probably something that D.V. and Camilla

I mean, I tried and failed to like manage that well. Like I would try to, you know, fill them in on like what Jonathan was saying and and all that. Not like in a like, let's target Jonathan way. But you know, I, to my part, I thought I was like, you know, being fourth right with them. So yeah, last thing, did you have any sort of negative side effects

“from when you put coaches touring on from 1987, he had not taken it off?”

My mom, my mom was like, I can't believe you put that thing on your foot.

Maybe it cursed me. I mean, that that's probably wow. I mean, you heard it here first. The

toe rank first. Don't do it. No, I mean, that was just funny code. I know a lot of defeat. Yeah, literally that's too good. Yeah. The feet. Um, no, I, I had a lot of fun with coach. Uh, that was that. Yeah, I have no doubt. I'm sure you have many more stories looking forward to hearing them all some day. Charlie. Yeah. Very sad to see. But I want my wife was like, uh, the distraught, uh, she was so sure you were safe last night. And, uh, yeah, her and me both.

Yeah, me both. Yeah. Okay. All right. Charlie, great to talk to you and hope to see you again soon. Okay. Yeah. Talk to you soon, Rob. All right. Really great interview with Charlie. I really meant what I said about Charlie being brave and putting yourself out there. And that's really something with reality TV where, you know, you put your feelings out there and you win the season and, oh, what a great story. And then you're somebody who doesn't go great and then it's so easy

for people to turn it around and clown on you. And so I really commend Charlie for for going there and taking us in his brain in terms of how he was feeling and it didn't work out

“and he's still here. And I think that that is such a great thing to be able to say, like, hey,”

I took the swing. I, I went for it. It didn't work. And, you know, I'm still here. I'm still standing. I'm going to keep going. And I, I just, I love that lesson and it's something that I certainly

too can relate to. So I feel like it's very powerful whenever I see it in another person. All right,

we're going to take a break. When we come back, this week in Survivor History Jordan Kaelish will be here with old Chris to do some trivia challenges about, I don't think we do it about the, this week's episode, but it's about the players from the season and we'll do it. We come back right after this. I'm Teresa and my experience with all entrepreneurs started a choppy guy. I think I've already been in the first day. And the platform will make me no problem.

I have a lot of problems, but the platform is not one step away. I feel that choppy guy is a platform that can only be obtained. Everything is super, just integrated and connected. And the time and the money that I can't do with it, I can't invest in it. For all of us in Waksthum. Now we're going to test the choppy guy point D.E. All right. It's a triple header here today. We did two exit interviews. And now we're going

to play a little this week in Survivor History with a man who is excited that his beloved Yankees are back. It's Jordan Kaelish. Jordan, how are you? I'm doing great. I don't know who scheduled Yankees opening, opening night the same night as a Survivor episode. But last night at the bar, I had, I had both on. I had the, I had Survivor on the big scene at the same past viewing

“party. And I had the Yankees game on my phone. I think I spend more time focused on Survivor.”

Look, this is one of one 62 for baseball. Well, a lot of people don't know that, of course, Yankees great Phil Rosudo, Scooter, that, originally they called him Rizgod. That was his name for many, many years in the Yankees faithful. That, that is true. He, he was known for early cow, holy, holy cow. And he, he was known for, for his ability, his firemaking ability. So unfortunately, the Rizgod should, could have learned from from Phil Rosudo. Yeah. Okay. And here with us to play a guy, a contemporary

of Phil Rosudo, perhaps, his old Chris is here. Chris, how are you? Rob, it is a pleasure for you to have

me here today. Always. You know, I've never been compared in age to because for Rosudo,

even when I was a young and seemed like he was a million years old. So it is, it's an honor and a privilege to be compared to, yeah, virtually one of the oldest people that I, I know him more from his work promoting the money store. That's right. Like, in hindsight, maybe they should have looked

out. You know what, it was probably a front for something knowing from you. We're losing the Gen Z audience, of course. You're losing, I have no idea what you're talking to. Oh, Chris, I have money for his, he's just a fan of the memory that I've made up or was Phil Rosudo, the spokesperson over the money store. You have no idea what I'm talking about. That is absolutely correct. I remember those commercials. I remember, because I would, you know, when I was a kid, I would watch

all the baseball. I would, you know, because I lived in an area of New Jersey where I can get New York and Philadelphia stations. I'd watch the Mets, the Phillies, the Yankees, the Cubs, the the Atlanta team. Is it was this pre-1990? Yes, this is 1989. This is, this is why this is why I was, I was not born yet. So this is, yeah, a Kayla Swift was 1989. That's Charlie. All right, let's get into this week in survivor history. Of course, we will have four categories here from

Dorno and the new three point scoring rules, which so far, what do you think mixed bags so far? You

“like it? I think it makes sense. I think the only issue is the mystery box questions aren't necessarily”

always the hardest questions on the quiz. I think it's one is ridiculously easy and the other is

incredibly complicated and you need a legal pad. That's the, that's the issue as far as I, how I've looked at it. But it's a little bit like, you know, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a beware advantage. It's a game show. This is a game show. This is a game show. This is a game show. The rules, the rules are consistent, but the, it's not always necessarily fair. It's a, based on what they say about game shows. They always say like the thing that game shows is like, it's not, it's not always going to be fair.

That's, you know, hey Jeff, yeah, in jeopardy, you might, you might get a $1,000 question that you think is easy and there might be a $200 question that you think is hard. It's, it's, it's based on what you're not. So, okay, we'll see what we have today in store where we have that. All right, the, the, the two

player categories, we have Angelina Keeley and Rick Devons, and then as always, we have the new era

mystery box and the old era mystery box. Chris, you're old, Chris, are you going to the old era mystery box, are you going somewhere else? I got to stay on brand. Let's do the old era mystery box. Ooh, hey, who are the only two players on 50 to ever cast a vote against Sandra Diaz Twine, the two players to cast a vote against Sandra Diaz Twine that are on Survivor 50. Okay. All right, I'm thinking this through, because there's only so many people that are

able to say that they've played with Sandra Diaz Twine. So, there, I mean, that immediately eliminates like over half a year. A lot of people, a lot of people, but let me think about this, jeez, you know, my, my main goal here is not to let Rob get the perfect game, because I am one of the reasons of us that love the service. Yeah, well, Chris, hit me, hit me with the multiple choice. All right, we're going to the multiple choice. Is it a, Colby and Aubrey, B, Colby and Azzy, C, Colby and Aubrey,

“D, Coach and Azzy. I'm going to say, see, I don't think it's Azzy, because I think Sandra and Azzy,”

I think avoided the premature, completely and feel like Aubrey had some problem. I'm going to say, Coach and Aubrey, it is not Coach and Aubrey. So, Rob, you have a chance to steal two points. Jordan, my question to you, very tricky Jordan Taylor, do votes for the winner of a season count in your calculus. That's a good question. These are votes against the player, so votes for the winner would not count. Okay. I do believe that Azzy did cast a vote against Sandra,

I think believe famously when she got voted out and so I were game changers, I don't know was there, is there an option for Azzy and Aubrey? Is that one of the multiple choices? It is not. Okay, then good. I'm not going to say that. So, could you be the multiple choices that have Azzy in them? Yes, it's either Colby and Azzy or Coach and Azzy, those are the two that have Azzy.

“Now, I don't know if Coach cast a vote for Sandra. I think that she was out of the game at the”

time, but I'm wondering if the tropical council where he went home did he write down Sandra's name because Russell got in his ear. So, I'm going to say it's Coach and Azzy. Coach and Azzy

also incorrect. The answer is the exact opposite of what all Chris said. It is Colby and Azzy.

Colby actually, I believe the only player in Survivor History to vote against against Sandra twice.

One time at the final six in Heroes vs. Villains when she played the idol and then one time at the final five when Colby was voted out. So, that is the correct answer. No points on that question and we are going to go to Rob but no perfect game. So, Chris, we did it. We're going to the

“verbal read this. I think you're, I want to lost. I just didn't want to lose the verbal”

read this for the dozens of us at home who are listening to who love it. All right, I can't even knew Aaron mystery box. All right, new era mystery box, which new era player on 50 attended the tribal council in which the goodwill advantage, which allows a player who lost their vote to vote

was used. So, it restores a player's vote who lost the vote, who attended the tribal council

in which this goodwill advantage was used. I don't even remember this. You made this up. Is this is a, if I have the one who tries this, this is a, this is a, uh, this is a little guilty question. There's a goodwill advantage. Goodwill advantage. This was, this is the new era mystery box. So, it was within the last nine seasons previous to a to 50. And I could tell you that it was on a season that has people on survivor 50. And there was somebody

at the tribal where this was used and it did have it. And it restored somebody's vote who lost some of those. Somebody lost their votes of the, the goodwill advantage if you lose your vote allows you to vote. I'll take the multiple choice on this. All right, was it a, d, that's confusing. But, but A is D via Dars B Emily C. Genevieve D Joe. And this person was at the tribal in which it was used. Okay. Um, okay. So, I'll talk Ella. Jordan put two people from survivor 45,

which leads me to believe it's either D or Emily. So, I guess you probably get a free B if I'm

“wrong on this, Chris. I am going to say, that's, try to remember D went to more tribal councils.”

So, I'm going to say, I'll say it's D. It is not D. So, Chris, you have a chance to steal two points. I'll say it's Emily. So, Emily Flippen, this is the tribal council where Austin gave up his vote to extend his idol to turn it into a full-powered idol that could be used until the end of the game. And he had the goodwill advantage. So, even though he gave up his vote to extend the idol, he used the goodwill advantage. So,

he could vote. This is the vote where Emily went with the Austin Drew contingent over the Kendra and Brando duo after the swap. So, it was Emily Flippen who was there. Chris, you get two points on the steel. It is two zero Chris and you have control of the board. What a classic moment in survivor. Classic goodwill advantage. The one time use goodwill advantage. They should leave that one a goodwill. Classic moment. What about that? Many chapters in the tribe and I have spoken.

And what a great moment. Did you do, you could have, there's only one players used to. So, you could have put it in your, was the 751 players. You could have put it in your tribute to Austin that he used a goodwill advantage. Yeah. Right. Okay. So, I have control of the board and my choices are Angelina and Rick Devons. Correct. I'm going to go, let's go Angelina. All right. Angelina, Angelina famously did not vote for Natalie at the vote in which the latter was voted out

in an attempt to obtain her jacket. This, the attempt to gain the jacket was unsuccessful. Who did Angelina vote for at this tribal council? I'm going to say, Learsha. So, Learsha, you did not use the multiple choice. This would be for three points. If you get it, you clinch

the game. The answer is Learsha. So, Chris, you get three points. You have a five zero lead

and you have one, the game. You have a five zero lead because he stole two points on the last question. He just, oh, that's sorry. No, four zero. He's still wins, right? So, it's four zero.

“Yeah. That was a nice point on this. Yes. First, I think my first scoring mistake of this season.”

Yeah. That is a, that is a two point question. So, he has two from the steel and two from that question without the multiple choice. All right. Well, four zero. Rob, you're going to get the Rick Devon's question. This is just for fun here. During his, during his, is this fun? During his briefstay on the edge of his. Yeah. Mike, Mike, Mike White was on the last last exercise interview.

but then there's like, what is this twist? What is this twist thing? During his brief thread, it's the reddits, they just crisis. I'm in. During it. Yeah. Get it. Come on, Kayla. During his briefstay on the edge of extinction, Devon's found an extra vote that had to be given to a player

“still in the game. Who did he send it to? I think he did send it to Aubrey. All right. That is”

correct. So, Rob, you do get two points there. You are not shut out. Four to two. He sent it to Aubrey. I guess I could have asked that question the opposite way, too, because Aubrey's on the season as well, it could have been an Aubrey question, but I went with Rick Devons. So, four to two, and we are going to go to the verbal read this, because it was not a perfect game. Chris is going to like this. All right. This is the survivor 47 contestant who did the Ray Lewis stance after winning a challenge.

Plus, plus did this edge of extinction and have it and just wanted to dry her tribemates close.

Minus, the 45 contestant on 50, who, at least to this point, has never won survivor, and we're

looking for the first two letters of her name. She may have come up on this quiz already. Plus, the player who was pissed that she didn't get Applebees and we're looking for the first letter of her name. Plus, the chef from the Australian Outback, who couldn't quite get the Rice Cooked correctly, we're looking for the first letter of his name. Plus, Steven Rom played survivor while wearing a hearing blank. All right. So, who is the 47 contestant? We'll go to Chris here. The 47 contestant

who did the Ray Lewis stance. That's Gabe. That is Gabe famously from Baltimore. Do the edge of extinction you can test in who wanted to drop her tribemates close? Rene. That is Rene. So, now we're doing

a minus the first two letters of the 45 contestant on 50 who never won survivor. That's Emily.

So, you're subtracting the E in the M from the E in the M. Plus, the first letter of the name of the chef. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Skip somebody. The player who was pissed that she didn't get Applebees and we're looking for the first letter of her name. That is my fake cousin Liz Wilcox. Liz Wilcox. So, the first letter we're looking for the L. The chef plus the chef from the Australian Outback, who couldn't quite get the Rice Cooked and we're looking for the first letter of his name.

That's Keith or K. Keith or K. Yep. And Steven Rom played survivor while wearing a hearing blank. Eight. Eight. So, put it all together, who do we have? Gabriel Cade. Gabriel Cade. I see my Chris likes the verbal revis. He's very good at it. Please look around. Also, like Jeff.

“Yeah, remember that? Yeah, that's that is true. I remember that as well as I as you remember the”

goodwill advantage. I do remember that scene now. That's a more memorable scene than the goodwill. I have to say the verbal revis is a lot easier when I'm in my house and not when I usually listen to the car when I'm driving and it's very hard to game out the verbal revis while you're driving home from work. So, that is fair. That's hard to look at. I have the same thing with like B and B games when I'm trying to play along when I'm usually listening to podcasts when I'm driving. It is sometimes because

you're focused on the road. Do you think we've ever had a verbal revis car crash? I hope not. I hope not. Someone say the verbal revis is a car crash, but yes, I might say. Okay. All right, I don't have one thing. Do you have anything that you wanted to tell people to check out? You know what, you should check out my cousin who just recently came back from Italy with his fifth gold medal. What's happening to the trip? My trip was amazing. It was a

true dream trip to get to see my cousin play live and when that gold medal in sled hockey, his name is Josh Pauls. You can check him out on Instagram, Spuds, USA 27. Wow. You're the good luck charm for Team USA. Well, I mean, they won four previous gold medals without all Chris. This is just the fifth one. So, if it was a dream vacation, happy I got to see him when this one, all of our family

“that came out. So, you get to see anything else in Italy besides Olympic sled hockey?”

Yeah, we did some sightseeing around Milan. We, me. I mean, we went to, we took a day trip to Bolonia and we did a food tour. It's the first time I've ever been full of Bolonia in a good way. Yeah, but yeah, it was just a dream vacation Italy. I got to see my cousin. Yeah, I heard a podcast once where there were two guys that wanted to re-brand Boloni as Italian salami. I mean, American salami. I know, but this is the town. This is Bolonia, so it's Italian salami.

What's coming up for you? All right. Coming up for me. Well, I got the viewing parties as always.

Next week, I will be in Atlanta. So, if you are a fan of the of Twitch to the verbal

I don't get to travel for the RHP events a lot. I do always get to go to the ones in New York.

“So I'm so I am a little spoiled there. But Atlanta will be a lot of fun. I can't wait.”

And yeah, this isn't a waste. Yep, can. For what injustice? This season of a survivor's been

been great. Really enjoying it. And it's more fun when you get to watch out of viewing

party with a lot of people. Okay. All right. So, thank you, old Chris. And of course,

check out everything we have going on on Patreon here where we offer so much more to our listeners, I'll drop us a podcast. If we come a part of the Rob is podcast community. We're going to be

“doing the Patreon Q&A this week. I believe we're scheduled to start that one. 6 p.m. Maybe we'll go”

7 p.m. so I can maybe grab, you know, let's, let's put what may be like a six-ish. Maybe we'll call it. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care. We have a good one. Bye. But what I want to do is not to get a lot of students. The master-writer, laptop, software, the internet, so much as I'm really excited. I'm saying, you can say that you're a hero. You're a hero, right? But you don't believe it.

Exactly. It's just a failure. It's just a matter of how much you're doing. And when you're working,

“you're going to have a meal. That's right. Save. How much you're doing?”

I'm going to give you a call. Now, let's go. Let's go.