Trump's Iran War Talking Points Are Nuking MAGA

Hi, Dan for welcome to the siren.

Well, thanks for having me, it's great to be here. It's great to be here without divulging too much information because it's a quote from a personal nature and I've talked about this openly an ish in the past. We have a really crazy connection that we discovered recently before we started a recording for something else we were doing together. Just not so small this world is but let's just say someone that I'm very close to was was stationed and deployed actually to the same military base that you did after 9/11, which is nuts.

Same time same thing same stuff it was incredible to have that connection with you and it's what a what a just so sweet so fortuitous to have the connection to always crazy.

And that was we're going to jump into a lot of things we're going to talk obviously about Iran I wonder actually does Diego Garcia factor into the war. But what we're doing in Iran it can yeah depends on you know how big the conflict gets but you're talking Diego two areas around Afghanistan round trip could be anywhere from 16 to 18 hours.

“So it would have to be a I think a little bit closer target than Iran but Diego certainly figures into it and they can do it.”

Just you know beef ones and beef at the two's flow out of there but also you know Navy assets flow out of there too so possible absolutely. And yeah Diego's been in the news recently because. Yeah Trump's having a tantrum which is not surprising let's so let's jump in to this Iran thing because there's so many more questions than there are answers. Obviously they have this ever revolving let's use air quotes justification explanation for why why now. None of it makes any sense Donald Trump has said that it was regime change and that it wasn't regime change that they had.

It's like we were we are understood that Iran was going to be struck and then if they were struck that they would strike us can you help me first of all with these floating justifications.

And what you think may or may not actually be what happened there what's going on there what the decision decision tree was so to speak.

“Well it's interesting you know also Lindsey Graham said they had no plan you remember that right no plan Ted Cruz comes out and says they had no indication that Iran's nuclear program was being rebuilt.”

And so your head starts to sort of spin also the Pentagon comes up and says no preemptive attack that they could see that was coming from Iran and then of course rubio back to your point pretty much states that were a combat arm for Israel. That's that's really I just wanted to put it into a nutshell for everybody and I think what they're doing is I think they're rotating the messaging over and over and over again trying to find something that sticks and my guess is they're probably dumping these this messages to certain selected journalists right across the United States and saying well what's really going to stick the issue that that they have.

None of the intelligence backs up any of their reasons for their attack and that leads you as you know Joe you know me you start to go down to what is the actual data say what are the facts of the matter the facts of the matter. Are simply that once Lindsey Graham says there's no plan Martin once Marco Rubio said the print of preemptive attack wasn't against the United States against Israel once I hear Ted Cruz say they have no proof of Iran building anything. It seems to me that this was literally.

I would say let's do three things the first thing you have to think about what Trump's done the past was this an attack specifically for personal gain based on the fact that Saudi Arabia and Israel requested that we attack which has been reported and it seems that Rubio has validated half of that story.

“Any press conference which blows my mind by the way, I'm just I think anybody listening that's military intelligence or served in the military or was in combat operations is like is that did he just say that which is really hard for me to get around.”

The second thing which you start to think maybe they've lost their minds is simply for legacy and I wonder if this was you know Trump came out and said he wants to be known as the person right who who deposed the leader in Venezuela. The third reason which I think is the least likely is they actually did see that there were nuclear facilities and he really did think that there were nuclear facilities yet that they had to go after but once the intelligence refuted that you start to get to this feeling that maybe just maybe.

Has he immediately said he thought Iran stole the 20 and 24 election and knowing what happened in 2020 with the foreign interference conspiracy theories.

“I do wonder based on project 2025 and the fact that they are following that blueprint are we now down to specific military actions to rationalize things that are awful for the 2026 midterms in the stone election directions that they like to go here.”

Boy oh boy oh boy right the thing is with Donald Trump the tentacles of these midterms and what he will do to stop them. They are long and they are far reaching and they sort of infect everything every decision he seems to be making because this is an existential threat for him, but also we have. We have plenty of reason to believe that he will do whatever it takes all January 6 which you talk about all of this in your book the breach you go into what measures they took what steps they put forth what their intentions were what their designs were.

And it's a lot more and more miracle with 2020 and he has attempts to overturn the results of that election.

Can we talk about that? Well I think you said it in your book. The second and the one is the burn identity about Patrick burn right and how much he actually figured into the stolen election conspiracies but how stupid he was by posting all of it on his deep capture website which is where a lot of the committee found the intelligence.

“of how Sydney Powell was trying to rewrite the executive orders and how they wanted to use a prior executive order called executive order 13848 about foreign interference to rationalize.”

Seizing voting machines and using military action at certain polling locations so there's that.

So in then chapter 11 which is executive disorder which talks about how executive orders the executive order to stolen election pipeline. What I did was I actually published on my sub-stack chapter 10 and 11 which I sent to you Joe as you know I want to get him out as many people as possible. I did it for free and what you can do is you can roll that into an AI assistant and query it and see exactly what's going on today. Because guess what Joe they put out an executive draft order right here EO 17 pages that almost matches exactly the draft executive order they tried to put out December of 2020 that that broadens their reasoning.

First stealing elections or for seizing voting machines or for suspending elections in certain areas and a lot of that has to do with this exact executive order talks about the conspiracy theories of 2020 and 2021 about Venezuela China. What they're trying to do is they're trying to set up foreign interference is the reason to suppress the electorate and I think this is one of the scariest things I've seen is that they seem to be copying their playbook exactly from what I wrote in the breach. And we're six committee because I was a senior technical advisor and saw all the data the men's text messages all the phone records.

So I am a little bit concerned and I'm saying a little bit in air quotes by the way Joe I have a little bit concerned that we're going to see some crazy activities like new national security presidential memorandums. New national asset tasking things that are saying that these swing counties or states were victims of Chinese or Venezuelan hacking and they can no longer use electronic voting machines they can no longer use mail and bat balladning.

“And I think that's some of the things that we can actually see downstream.”

Can he do that? Well, you know it's funny kind of a great question that's actually that is a specific question where a lot of constitutional scholars came out said well this is illegal. Well that hasn't stopped him in the past you know there's two separate things here Joe right and and I see you know scholars coming out and saying well because of federalism in the constitution I don't think this is possible. Well it doesn't matter to them he has immunity number one number two who's going to stop him.

If if he says that he's going to use say law enforcement constitutional sheriffs and we can go into that or he's going to use military national guard to seize voting machines specifically who's going to stop on the court order. And if he declares that the insurrection act or martial law. Based on that now he pretty much has one of the mill of whatever area he directs the insurrection act at or a martial law so again it comes down to he is the commander and chief. And even if it's unconstitutional and he doesn't believe it is.

What courts can actually execute a finding against him they have no military presence to do so. So again it comes down to just like January 6 he was able to radicalize those individuals if pence. God bless Mike Pence right if if you believe in that and believe in God right you know God bless him because what he was the final stop gap.

Well who's our Mike Pence now.

“I can't believe that there is no Mike Pence in our government right that's again a great point that there what's happening right the the simple on his on the herses and the Cassidy Hutchinson's are all gone.”

None of these individuals exist to put a check on somebody who makes crazy decisions now you have Tulsi Gabbard and Pete hegg Seth right and you know those type of pan bondy. Right right those are the people that around him helping with his decision making so you have the nutters of the nutty and they're in his ear and by the way he he just appealed to his base instincts.

Right Christina is testifying right now capital Hill and she was asked about.

You know having federal agents at polling places and she would not say she would say no if she was instructed to do so. You know if if ice or dHS is deployed or CPP to polling stations. The thing is when you're talking about insurrection act or violent acts to force the hand of the executive branch.

“They want that and I think if you see that it's specific polling places I think they're hoping for violence.”

I think you saw them in a soda. I think they got what they want to think about this to you know it gets me about this and I'd love your opinions on this. They left Minnesota after killing two people innocently with date what mission do they actually fulfill so they went and killed a couple people and left nothing changed in Minnesota. There was no national emergency. So if they're willing to do something like that when you're looking at past performance that's usually indicative of future performance.

So, Joe I mean, if they they're willing to do that what aren't they willing to do so I don't think them saying that or them not answering the federal officers a polling place.

“Question is is out of out of bounds for them I think they definitely plan on doing that.”

I think every single solitary option we can imagine is on the table for them and like you said unlike the first season of this should show where there were still a few adult adjacent human beings in the room. They would stand up to him and check his worst impulses not only are those people long gone the ones that are there now exist to serve his worst impulses and cases like Stephen Miller there to put the war to put even worse impulses into his. Or he want to call this the thing occupying his vacuous cranium but but it there's no one to say no. Petag Seth certainly is not someone who's going to say no with his worst impulses.

We've seen now with what is happening with our military being deployed our our men and women losing their lives people on the ground dying to stabilize an entire region. He next to certainly was not going to say no his national security advisor wasn't going to say no you know none of these people are going to say no to him so there's nobody left to say you know you can't do that and in fact what they'll say now is how can I help you do that. And I know they wanted to do this in 2020 Joe you know they so there was an email from the guy leading the cyber investigations for mark meadows that said an email to him saying that this needed to be a national security matter for foreign interference.

We should task national assets people like what is that mean that means any type of intelligence for imagery signals which is NSA. Any type of open source that's combined with other type of human intelligence which is other three letter agencies we can talk about. So you know imagery intelligence my goodness so they wanted to nationalize this in 2020 and again if pens would have objected to the electors you would have talked about in the swing districts whether doing these investigations they would see the voting machines.

Because now since you have a foreign threat they say that it actually supersedes any domestic authorities were domestic law enforcement like the FBI to do anything about it which means the national. The national command authority the executive branch can take over and I got to tell you.

They came damn close the first time and again like you said there's no more checks on them.

They don't have to prove any of this again they don't have to prove and what is the Iranian connection again are they so Trump floated that out but like and we don't Maduro still out there got knows what they're planning on utilizing him for because I don't remember them talking about it on meddling in the election until now but they certainly floated been as well in the past.

And here's you know here's the other thing too.

We already don't trust the information that comes out of the Trump administration now so why are we going to trust immediately without any sourcing or validation or real forensics. But they're saying about voting machines they've already been proven wrong in the court of law over and over there's a reason that Fox News had to pay out hundreds of those was at seven hundred eighty seven million dollars. Yeah. There's a reason OAN had to pay out in Newsmax had to pay out and people like the senior technical guy for dominion winning lawsuits right and suing those like Patrick burn who I talk about on the book and things like that so again.

What do we believe from them we can't believe anything from this administration they they everything's on grift superstition and self enrichment.

“And some of the worst human beings you get ever find the positions of power so I think.”

I think we're to a point where we can't trust what they say but they're also going to hide behind classification levels. Okay so if we the inevitable conclusion here is that they will do whatever it takes and that these are some of the things that they will do.

We're talking about seizing voting machines stopping mail and voting Donald Trump's already said basically both of those two things out loud.

Putting federal agents at polling places et cetera. It leads to the inevitable question which is okay what can we do. Because they have all the toys you know the call is coming from inside the house. They have all the levers of power. They basically Congress has self-gulded themselves to the point now where they're they're just a cabinet member.

Self-gulding. I love it.

They have they've turned themselves into unix.

So the question the inevitable question when I keep asking everyone I talk to because this is everybody's question is what do we do. You know it's it's such a great question you know I've heard about the overwhelming voting force right so many people actually vote mobilized votes and things of that nature. I think there's a few different things that a lot of people I don't know if they're taking in consideration so I'm just going to bring them up. A lot of people think you know you steal an election it's all 50 states.

There's some type of technological means you have all these you know different types of ways that people talk about stealing elections. The easiest way to steal an election is to process and disenfranchisement. This is a simplest way is through using lies and propaganda and pushing that out and basing legal justifications on things that can't possibly be true.

“But somehow that you've metastasized this disinformation into a large enough portion of the population that they voted those specific people into power and that's what we have today.”

They don't have to go after all 50 states they only have to go after swing districts and specific counties within those districts or swing states and you have you know seven to nine in any given year. I would hope that the Democrats and the governors in those states are looking at this saying this is where we need to hold the line it's not Wyoming. Wyoming is going to go red it's not California. California is going to go blue right it's not New Jersey right or he says New Jersey can possibly go red it's something no you saw what Mikey Sherald did in the governor.

You saw what Abby did down right so it's specific states the Pennsylvania is the Michigan's the Arizona's the Georgia's right you're looking at specific swing states where like okay. This is where we need to actually to concentrate all of our firepower so I'd hope that you know the mark allows us the world allow the attorneys that are constitutional attorneys are concentrating on very specific portions because. If you put your resources out over 50 states all you're doing is you're splattering spaghetti at the wall needs to be directed and supported in in those specific swing districts and states.

They need to make sure there's a mobilization effort for voting well beyond mail and balloting so I hope already people are looking at transport looking at transportation how to mobilize voters what that registration looks like. And hopefully getting in front of the save act which I think was one of the most devastating acts because that wasn't about voter identification at all that was about voter suppression. That was was should have been called save the Republican majority because that was a that was a vote to disenfranchise as many people say could that's really what that's about because the Republican party Joe right now is about subtraction not addition.

I got to subtract as many voters to win. So I would hope that they're doing that the other thing too is that this is a this is a house to house fight. We really need to turn over about one to three maybe three to five percent of the vote to ensure.

“And you know and here's the thing, Joe, and you know me pretty well already I'm not a Democrat people like what then here are you dip no I'm so independent it's insane right I and that's where I'm at now however.”

There's only one party right now that I feel like the rule of law applies to and that's the Democratic party the Republicans just care what Trump does right it's a cold personality. Is it notes let's go let's take another step it seems like just a cold let's take away of personality yeah it just seems like cold behavior but again I think it's actually just they got a target those specific areas Joe you can't splatter gun this thing or you're done.

Yeah I mean God in a weird way for the institutionalists in the Senate not wanting to do with the filibuster otherwise I would have a much harder time voting as one of the 69 million American women who changed her name when she got married.

“It doesn't have a passport by the way you know it they are yes it is absolutely a game of subtraction which should be a red flag for everybody who who loves participating in democracy because when someone one party doesn't want you to vote.”

They're telling you they're not running on anything that is better for you they're telling you that they don't plan to govern they just want to rule because they don't want you showing up to hold them accountable but they're also telling you don't show up because we're not going to be doing anything that's in your interests. And we've seen in special elections and we've seen in ballot measures all over this country over the last several years has been that overwhelmingly the American people went tasked with this question of do you want a democracy to continue to participate in.

They say yes it's not actually a part is an issue really at all it's it's no I want a democracy I want to be able to continue to exercise my right to participate in shaping this the reality of this country.

The Republicans very much don't want that so I'm wondering though in these states because you know some of these these swing states and swing districts they have.

“Republicans in charge you know they have legislatures that might say okay well we're loyal to Trump they might not have a Brad reference burger they might not have you know they might I mean we've seen states like Indiana say no.”

And it which is good and a good sign but do we have enough of those like leaders in states like Indiana who may be Republican and will still say no this is up to us we managed our elections here we're not going to let you interfere. All right quick thing before I get back to the show I've been trying one skin and I actually love this stuff I'm pretty picky about skin care because most of it is either ten steps long or full of ingredients that make my skin.

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I'm not trying to be at least in that was a pessimistic answer I apologize to you but I don't don't don't don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining and I don't think we talked about the truth. Yeah so a lot of trouble by pretending things were better than they were. They do people do I think people they don't only and Jo me and you already talked to them found this but they don't really hope for the best I think they expect the best and I think that's one of the.

“You can hope for the best all day long but you actually need a plan for the worst right and you need to take the percentages the percentages are.”

That the same person who is in charge of the last coup attempt probably has seen some of those same tricks in his bag this isn't like us.

I mean you aren't being profits like we're just using past data and actions to formulate the plan for a group that's already done it that's it that's the first baseline for intelligence analysis.

What happened in the past and did the data confirm those actions to what degree and what are they said they're going to do in the future that's Joe that's that's the whole basis of my book to be honest is do the data in the facts. What they did and when they're saying they're going to do something else doesn't match the same playbook yes and yes that's that's it that's that's all we're talking about and then then you know I've been warning about this always stop Joe. After my 60 minutes and going on the news for two years straight nobody seemed to care like that can ever happen again. Here we are. And that's I think that's the thing that gets to me right like oh Denver you know you are right about j six and the proud boys and other keepers and.

The fact that you know there's radicalization but it can't happen again I'm like oh my god. And then and then you know I see this proposed draft executive order and they want to call they even have a number already they want to call it one four two four eight.

They say there is now clear and compelling evidence from court cases and forensic analysis at these threats have not been mitigated.

“They're saying not only was the election stolen the chances of it being stolen are greater today.”

And then after that paragraph about evidence they say this constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.

Oh one three eight four eight including this is will scare you and I'm not trying to scare people I just want to say what's written in this executive order.

Since the inception of EO one three eight four eight and twenty eighteen one three eight four eight being the foreign interference executive order signed by Trump on September 12 2018 by the way written by Chris Krebs and Miles Taylor is part two of the authors. Yeah because they didn't think this was this this it can't be used for this but they tried federal and state oversight including the judiciary has been unable to effectively mitigate these remote election threats foreign interference and secure the and secure the electronic infrastructure.

“Here's what they're saying guys this new executive order will give broad sweeping powers and what they go through is everything ballot creation voter eligibility citizen eligibility county voter county voter registration which is against federalism.”

Voter check in provisional in person voting absentee voting method requests think about that absentee ballot requests processing they want to change that absentee ballot return delivery absentee ballot processing provisional absentee ballot processing vote counting. Precinct results reporting county results reporting certification ballot custody chain I know you're like Jesus tennis is real transparent transparency and verifiability election challenges and additional security measures are all covered in the new executive order to nationalize elections.

If it passes through or if he signs this it's going to be a court royal extravaganza it is going to be a legal extravaganza it's going to be insane and that 45 days after the midterm will be I think some of the most chaotic and violent times we ever see.

“This is if this is signed. So that's but that's good they do before right we don't know yet how so many of those things will be implemented because that's correct.”

Your original points that that could take any shape he's talked openly about how he couldn't have trusted the national guard to see those voting machines they weren't up to the task.

But the military certainly up to the task and got noticed was we've already established P. Texas will do anything and we've also seen active military deployed on our own city streets right here in the country already which is you know proving grounds for the pretext for using them for other things as well and we also know that they keep making a very big deal out of making sure that our members of our military do not think that it's imperative upon them to disobey on lawful orders because they went all they went all the way to court to try.

To try and charge the six members of the Democratic Party who've served in some way shape or form an intelligence under the military because they made a video imploring members of the military to remember their oath is to refuse to follow on lawful orders but if you tell the military you know you need to go take those unique stand in front of the polling place with the machine gun and make sure that nobody comes in and that they don't vote or going and take those voting machines. Yeah it's it's all very it's very scary shit and and I would argue that unlike 2020 and why he fought so hard.

To overturn that election this is much more existential for him this is really potentially extremely game over. For him this even though he has the Supreme Court's immunity, which doesn't protect him from everything it doesn't shield him from all prosecution and it doesn't. This it this also shuts off that spigot of of unending corruption that is lining his pockets with billions of dollars. The midterms going the way they should go the way that every anecdotal evidence that we've had in the last many months.

But he will lose in not impossible that he'll lose both the house and the Senate and that would also mean impeachment and removal if we get the margin said well maybe not removal. But whatever get to the two thirds for removal in the Senate right you have too many sick offence and bootlekers there they they're not going to do the right thing and he plus you have the Christian Nationalism white nationalism strain in the Senate now on the right so they're they don't think.

But that real fast before you go to.

Yeah so in the other part too is when you're talking about the Epstein files what are we not talking about right the redacted pages what was it the 53 pages it talked about awful accusations against trump for child. You know so that we're not talking about that right now because we're bombing Iran. We're not talking about these draft executive orders that came out almost the exact same time they made a decision to bomb Iran that. I don't think that's much of a coincidence the fact that this was a childhood chum of Donald Trump.

“I think his name is Peter Tipton who wrote this and is leading that charge which is no different from when Rudy Giuliani and Lynn Wood led the last charge right when they they did all they're planning it to motley plantation by the way if.”

With the Patrick burn and Sidney Powell. And those were the guys who broken and December 18 that broke in but we're led in to the White House and December 18th 2020 to actually pitch the plan to use executive voter one three eight four eight to suspend the elections insane.

That's when Marjorie Taylor Green on January 17th three days before the election called for Marshall Law.

All that was happened. What's that spelled it wrong yeah was it was spelled like my cousin Marshall. So yeah so you know you had that all going on but again we're not talking about the Epstein files. We're not talking about this draft executive order. We're not talking about his plummeting polling.

“We're not talking about the bad economy.”

We're talking about Iran.

And again it's just incredible to me that we're almost back full circle and we do.

That we have the administration not even have they don't even know why we bomb them because that's exactly what they're saying. We really don't know why. Wow. It's. I heard it's mind-boggling.

It it is.

“It is and and you've you've served you've served in common you you know you know.”

Moot obviously all about this and I heard Brett McGurk and I was talking about this with our good friend Tara set mayor this morning. I heard Brett McGurk was driving home from my interview with Pete Buttigieg humble brag. I heard Brett McGurk on CNN. That was a good one though. That was a well done as well.

Thank you very much. Thank you for that upset more. But I heard him talking about what you just said and what are they telling these troops who are putting their lives on the line. What are they telling them is the justification we have lost six so far right six to me to me like one is too many six. I can't even grapple with this not to mention again.

I've talked about what is happening to the people who live in these these regions and in these countries etc. But what are they saying to justify hey soldier yes you might die for let me hold on let me see what our excuse justification rationale is this moment let me hold on. Oh yeah right now you might have to die because Israel might have been attacked. What what are they telling them what and if you're on the ground if you're on the ground and you've deployed and you're in the field and they're not giving you solid reasoning for why you might die when you know you're under attack your peers and you're you know your colleagues your brothers and arms are dying for this what are you thinking if they're not even giving you a reasonable excuse.

I I didn't know the US was just a combat arm for Israel to well that part well that and I didn't realize that we're fighting for arm again in the rapture. Oh that part doesn't want to ask you about to. So and I didn't realize that anybody who hits Israel right that we're going to retaliate and give our lives for a specific. Um I guess an ask by BB or by MBS and Saudi Arabia by the way, so I'm not quite sure you know why are we fighting this war if not just to be a combat arm for countries that want to take Iran out for personal gain and financial largest.

Not to mention, and by the way, the thing you just cited. I want to I want to just sidebar on this because it's absolutely insane, but I want to go after I sidebar I want to get back to how much less safe this is all making us as a whole domestically and abroad right. Cradle the cradle media. I'm not I was not familiar. It's an online news magazine covering West Asian geopolitics from within so they're on Patreon. This is I don't work with them. This is not like a plug for them. But as reported by independent journalist Jonathan Larson, a US combat unit commander told non-commissioned officers that the war on Iran is part of God's divine plan allegedly claiming President Donald Trump was anointed by Jesus to ignite Armageddon the complaint filed with the military religious freedom foundation is one of more than 110.

Log within 48 hours from over 40 units across at least 30 installations complaints including Christians, complaints including Christians a Muslim and a Jew have requested anonymity to avoid retaliation the Pentagon has yet to respond last part.

Holy literal fucking shit. What? We don't have this independently confirmed. I don't have any other sources.

Well, Mikey Weinstein can confirm it because those were actually submitted. So they're just they're just basing this on the 110 submissions from 40 different units which are validated submissions. So the story might not be all the way downstream, but if people are actually utilizing that language and their submissions, that means military members have heard this with their own ears and reported it to the MR FF. So now this gets a little crazy.

That's when it gets crazy. Well, yeah, we will think about it this way.

“So are we saying that this is of course we're saying this is a new term for the crusades. That's the first thing people need to understand that our military based on even the tattooed idiot Pete Higgseth, right?”

There's a white nationalist Christian nationalist vein of crazy that's expanding within the military. It was already there. Trust me, I know I was there for a long time. There's a radicalized element. If you think about January 6, just talk about past performance, the number of radicalized veterans that storm the capital is extreme. I was actually in a movie called against all enemies about that specifically, right? The validation of these people that when you take your oath against all enemies foreign and domestic, you are talking about those who are globalists, which also means Jewish in a lot of ways, right? It's very anti-Semitic.

But it also means that you're going against the enemies within that try to overthrow the election that like to inject a drain of chrome into their arms, right from babies that have been molested, all the conspiracy theories that you heard about out there. So these same exact commanders, or the people that believe this, believe this is the, this is the lead up to Armageddon, or the return of Jesus is 1000 year reign, and there's a majority of people in some of these sections that believe this. So that means we have a country actually building their decision, their decision tree Joe on superstition, fantasy, and whatever, some God is telling him to their frontal lobe.

And if that's what's happening. We are in such dire trouble. It's hard again. Again, I don't, I don't raise my voice. You've noticed I'm very down the line, but on the other hand, you get to the point like, "Whoa, are we now to a point where we are so out of bounds where superior technology has allowed ignorance to fester?" And now we have the society, if we have a society majorly built on superstition and ignorance, there's nowhere to go but down. There is no other way because now we're making decisions based on what Jesus thinks he wants us to do, rather than real factual baseline decision points.

“I would say an agreed upon truth based on facts and data does not exist in that environment. It's just sort of speaks to why elections matter so much because this is not the majority of the American people, right?”

It's while it is large and it is clearly impactful. It is still not the majority of the American people. And so when you think about how that faction was able to put into power, those who will be willing to execute this completely irrational superstitious bizarre, hoax-pocus nonsense and to have it have real world real life geopolitical implications.

It tells you again, don't let people shape this kind of shit by letting these people vote in larger numbers than you do.

This is real world consequence shit handed to someone who is extremely amoral, a religious, depraved. This guy, I was joking, I often say this, who worships every Sunday at our lady of the perpetual back nine. I mean like this is a person who recurrent the ins-bragged about sexually assaulting women, a race, married, serial, flan or pathological liar who's inside violence at every single turn, he's the embodiment of the seven deadly sins, but you put this person in the right position and surround him with the right significance,

which is the kind of offense and weirdos, which there's plenty of, oh my god, you end up here where we could be looking at some kind of a holy war with nuclear consequences, you know, and I mean like it's it's it's absolutely insane and it's the kind of stuff that if somebody came to you with a movie script and said in 2026, this is where we're going to be. I mean these are going to be the stakes and these are going to be the considerations and there's, you know, this this huge.

Yeah, you're drunk.

Right, go home, get some coffee, but here we are.

“Well, stupidity usually leads to self-fulfilling prophecies, don't they, you know?”

It's stupidity is terminal and six of our troops found out that we are there for literally if we had already obliterated the nuclear program why we there. If there was no in a minute threat, why are we there? Right, if they weren't attacking somebody, if they weren't being proactive in their attack vectors, why are we there? And so all the reasons that they gave are gone, there is no natural reason, and then you get to the point, well it looks like there's a few reasons.

I've seen files we talked about, but again, personal enrichment for the Trump family and those donors around them.

I don't even know what I'll set number in number two, rationalization for stolen election, which is the downstream effect. That's, that's all I have based on what his own administration has said.

“I don't even have to guess because that's what they've said, so at this point.”

What are the reasons? So then in closing, let's end it on a really high note and really positive one forward looking at this I'm kidding.

What I always keep coming back to is how does this make us less safe both year and abroad, right, like because.

Obviously, you know, you responded to 9/11 by deploying into combat, our country did, much of the world did. What I am so worried about is not if but when, because they have made us so vulnerable by gutting these crucial agencies, by. Cash battled fired even more members of of the FBI who specialize in counterterrorism as a pertain to Iran.

“That's just the new cherry on top, right?”

They've already done so much damage to our intelligence agency intelligence agencies and to the experts who keep us safe and protect us. And what happened with 9/11 was we suffered from a lack of imagination and we were not prepared. We feel, to me, so much less prepared but now we've really poked this bear. It's not like, this is an Iraq, this is an Afghanistan we're talking about, we're talking about Iran. One of the, you know, the most notorious sponsors of state terrorism in the world, they have sleeper cells everywhere, obviously, they have Hezbollah, Hamas, et cetera.

How much less safe are we? And, and, and does this administration want the pretext for some kind of terrorist attacks or that they can say, we're going to take even more executive power with emergency orders that would help them even further subvert the will of the people in canceling, suspending, et cetera, et cetera, federal elections. Yeah, a couple of things don't want to go back to your argument on the, you know, we're talking about the insurrection act, we're talking about martial law, all of that plays into it, you're exactly right, less safe, absolutely.

Not just sleeper cells, which I think there's a possibility, maybe not quite as large a probability, there's a possibility of sleeper cells, but what is probable or what could happen are people acting as lone wolves, that's usually definition, right, that are being radicalized, right, through the same digital radicalization path is a lot of other people. I wanted to clear something else really quick, I have been in situations where I've been in harm's way for real. When I deployed in 9/11, it was a combat support, I'm very, very sensitive, Joe, probably about the, the difference between combat and combat support, so I don't have stolen valor.

Yes, are there stories I could tell you, we're like, oh my god, Denver, maybe you were, but yes, but when I make sure people know I went to Diego, you know, I've been in no mind, but I wasn't actually on the ground in Afghanistan, but I certainly mission planned the bombing, runs at the caves, and tore Boromazards, reef, and all kinds of other things. So I just try to be very clear about who I am as a, as a United States Air Force better. My fear is that we have a combination of stolen election conspiracy theories and violence, predicated about what we're doing overseas and globally, where people are not only in harm's way, domestically and internationally, but it does give them a pretext for martial law and the insurrection act for a bunch of downstream effects as an Americans, we can't even imagine.

He has not shied away from saying he's going to do it, he has done it in the past, and you said something, when we talked about constitutional scholars earlier saying that this is insane, here's a thing, Joe. Me and you could be walking down the street, and we see somebody with a chainsaw running around, crazily, on, and we're like, that guy's insane, but it doesn't really matter for right-of-eas insane if he actually gets you with the chainsaw. That's insane, there's no way they should be out there with a chainsaw, that's really bad, doesn't stop them from hitting you with the chainsaw. And I think that's the issue that we have right now is we have people who are absolutely legally correct on what's happening and the Trump can't do this, but he still seems to still do the things that the court said he can't.

Again, that should frighten folks, but you also see this huge uptick in Democratic support in the midterms, which means we need that overwhelming vote to at least give one branch of government some kind of foothold to fight back.

“So numbers to large two ignore, we the people are we're always going to be the ones coming to save us, and we're always going to be the antidote to this time. We didn't ask to live in this moment in time, but this is the time that we have been given.”

>> And we extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures, and that's going to come down onto our shoulders. I'm glad to be side by side in this fight with you. I'm grateful for your perspectives. Thank you for writing and thank you for offering those two chapters to all the viewers and listeners to this podcast of everybody out there. I'm going to make sure that they're in the notes for the show and then I'll also be sharing them when I put links up. >> Good person, thank you. I appreciate it. >> Yeah, good look for that on my subject as well. Thank you for writing all of that. Thank you for your effort.

I mean, I know it sounds naive and ridiculous at this point in 2026 to still say things like I can't believe we are here, but I I can't shake it because sometimes I just think my god every single thing you could ever have wanted to point to that would have said the worst possible case scenario would happen if you put that monster back. It was flashing red and somehow this the plurality of the dumbest fucking least sensible most self sabotaging stupid. >> Don't hold back.

“>> I do sometimes do that thing where I'm like, I can't fucking believe we're back here, but if we're going to be back here, I'm very glad to be associated with you in this battle.”

>> My heart is full. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me too. I appreciate it.

>> Great talking to you as always. And please guys, check out the breach and plug your bourbon by the way, too.

>> Oh, yeah. I mean, I own a couple distilleries. My wife is a master distiller. She's a badass. So we make really good bourbon and silver back in Virginia and in Pennsylvania in the Poconos and you can even go to a DC DC. It's a P Street lines and you can on to Ponserco and you can actually get it delivered 30 miles alex states. >> I usually stay and do Ponserco. I didn't know that I could do that there and I live very close to the Poconos. So I got to go check that out speaking about us as before you go. This is actually a high note kind of sort of sadly, I don't even know where we could talk about that all day long.

I don't know how Kuwait and the back in the ends up accidentally shooting down three of our 15s which I saw they run in somewhere the neighborhood of 97 to 100 million bucks a pop.

I don't know what maybe the accurate numbers are that's close. >> About $200 in jets. Yeah. >> Okay, so we get we don't have time. We'll do a separate episode to talk about how the fucking the fuckery of fuck that happens. >> And that's why it's for teas. >> I mean, it's not supposed to happen. We're not supposed to be friendly fire shooting down at 15s, but the crew members thank God are fine alive. I would say fine. They're alive.

But there's a video of one of them a female fellow fucking hegg Seth. >> Um, who's just a badass. She's just walk around smiling. She's just like real fast. Can you help me because you know we we talked about this. One of the things we also share in common is that there was the malfunction mechanical something that happened to an aircraft related to this person that it's in my life. She was they were not on that plane, but ejecting period at that speed at that height period but getting shot with a missile and ejecting what do we talk what does it do to the body.

>> Yeah, I mean, it's incredible, you know, I had to take some of that training even though I was just an intelligence officer, but I had to take some of that train.

“But the number of G's that you take coming out, you know, when you eject is pretty incredible, the fact that you're in a very dangerous situation with a plane that's how to control.”

Wow, also a safe landing, right, you're not breaking in leg, you're not hitting a specific area, you're making sure you're getting to the right place the way that you steer yourself to those places right getting lucky right again about injuries there and then just popping up after all of that. Just there's a lot of bad assery there, you know, because you're in pain, you know, you saw the other guy come down to and you're a little stiff, you're in pain, but you're specifically, you could break things coming out of an inject.

So that was pretty cool. She's like, hey, how you doing? It's almost like she just came back, you know, from going to dinner like, hey, or she just had a picnic out there in the field, you know, hey guys, how you doing, what's going on?

Well, although I say she's running wrong probably, but yeah, I can say homeless is an error. That's right. Yeah, but a lot of female bad asses in the middle. There is, I've served with them. One of them person, you know, very good. Don't let that cake breath. Tell the other wise. Well, thank you. Denver. Thank you. Talk to you. I told you to keep you for half an hour. I kept you for an hour. I'm sorry about that. We will talk again soon and thank you so much for all of your time this afternoon. Thank you, man. It was wonderful. Okay. Bye. Bye.