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it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight

“up and led that shot to me and they don't make people that big.”

It was gliding across the beach and I never seen anything moves like that in my life.

They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chantling away back and forth, back and forth and forth and forth and forth. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet the water I saw bears. That's what I want to hear for you.

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Yes, the local identity.

“This is Mr. Rogers from Phoenix, Arizona and the only podcast we listen to in my neighborhood”

is Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show. Tonight we'll be speaking with Pete Bridal. He's the author of Hometed Hunter, the search for undiscribes south pacific comidids. In 2008, Pete was a soldier serving a peacekeeping mission on Guadalcanal in the Solomon

Island chain and it was on this long-range patrol deep in the jungle when Pete met

a terrified man that never met a white man before.

But he wasn't scared of the soldiers. He feared the creature. He had just encountered that morning while hunting. And that kind of started Pete off onto the search of looking for the wild man and we were chatting the other day and he was telling me about just different crazy stories in his life.

And I really wanted to have him on the show. I'm so glad he's here. Again as book is Hometed Hunter, the search for undiscribes south pacific comidids. If you've had an encounter, and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected].

And if you get a chance to check out saskwatchchronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Pete Bridal to the show. Pete, thanks for coming on.

Yeah, no problem. Yeah, I appreciate you being here.

“If you would, Pete, can I give the audience kind of a background of yourself?”

Yeah, sure. Quite honestly, I grew up in an incredibly loving and supportive environment in rural Melbourne. During the 1980s, I had two amazing parents that gave me everything they possibly could in life, wonderful private school education, amazing holidays around the Victorian coast. Just my mom and dad were highly involved in marine education.

My dad's a natural history author. And from a young age, I was really inspired to have adventures.

Indiana Jones was always my hero, and then when I was 15, we're involved in a really horrific

car accident. I managed to walk out of it, but something inside of me broke and was just changed forever. I later found out that was the beginnings of PTSD, and I continued to make that worse and worse and worse in myself with my choices throughout life. I've done a hell of a lot of things wrong, I've been a very hard man on a woman in my life.

Not because I was a biologist or anything, but because I was always off on like adventures and crazy stuff, I could never stay home. I just never did the nine to five thing, and yeah, it just sent me down this crazy path. That's taken me all over the world, 100 in something countries. I've been in the army, been a military contract, worked as a professional hunting guide,

by bears than I ever did, doing normal stuff at home like everyone else, and it's made

“relationships really, really difficult for me.”

And about seven years ago, I gave up on society completely, and I met this amazing German girl

in Mongolia. She was sitting in a park looking very sad, because she couldn't get into China with her little catalog, she was trying to head back to Australia to do more cattle muskering, and I suggested she just come on an adventure with me, and yes, 780 days later, we've done 9,000 kilometres on horseback from Mongolia to Germany, and proposed, and we've been together

writing around Europe pretty much ever since, so yeah, crazy life, but yeah, I've got to see some cool stuff, so yeah, and I'm finally happy, I'm finally settled, I have the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with, and I really have achieved some degree of

normality, but yeah, there's some pretty cool stories to tell along the way.

Yeah, finding happiness is something that happiness in general is something money can't buy. Your book, The Hometed Hunter, the search for the undescribed South Pacific hominids, I know

“it's available on Amazon, if someone buys this book, what can they kind of expect to read?”

Well, the reason I wrote it is like I've written lots of books, my father was a natural history author, he's got hundreds of publish books, and it's a process for me, it's sort of dealing with the events that I went through, I went through a lot of traumatic experiences during my time in the South Pacific, sort of a lot of horrible things, it's very hard to do as a school player here, that I don't consider myself a racist person,

but when you're dealing with a culture that 50 years ago was quite literally a stone age culture, and there've been thrust into the 21st century, there's so many things that you find challenging, and you come with this Western mindset, and you think, well, I grew up in rural Victoria, in privilege, and to see what I saw there and the way poverty has people

interact with one another, it is really, really challenging, and I mean, it was, I've always

been going through a process with PTSD, and this was something that helped me process what I saw and take steps away from, from, yeah, those some rather challenging memories of times, but I also did really want to share my findings, I really approached going to the Solomon's, well, I mean, it sort of actually explained it back around, I went to the Solomon's firstly, with the military, I was deployed as a peacekeeper, and when I was there, I saw and

experienced things that I really wanted to come back and check out, and I wanted to come back with like a very scientific mindset, I mean, having a dad that's, you know, right, natural history books, I wanted to have look at the origins of the myths, I mean, everyone in the Solomon's beliefs in giants and wild men in the forest, and just like the originals have all of these stories about a bunyups and, you know, the, like, Nimban and, like, Quilkin, you know,

these giant creatures that supposedly still live in Australia, and yeah, it's of course, as well, you know, you're traditional big foot, and I want to have a look at where these myths came from,

“really see what I could find out, and I think most of all just have a pretty cool adventure.”

So yeah, that the book was really sort of my way of, you know, justifying all of that crazy time away, and hopefully people will enjoy it, and I think there's also a really big, um, look before you leap warning about it, but, you know, these adventures, they, they sound great, and they look cool on the discovery channel, but they do come with a price, and for me, it was a pretty big one, so yeah. Yeah, being a history nerd myself, I know the Solomon and islands

is notorious for giants. It even goes back to War 2, the Japanese soldiers that were on the island, talked about these giants, a lot of them wrote about it in their diaries, along with the American soldiers, the Americans talked about it as well. These giants on the Solomon and islands, and, you know, when you went down there, what did you kind of find, and what was kind of the locals viewpoint, as far as giants versus the wild man? What did they tell you? Okay, so firstly,

when I deployed there, um, I had, again, a very sheltered, very one-dimensional experience, because I had a rifle in my hand a whole time, and everyone treated us very, very differently. So, on my, um, initial deployment to the Solomon's, we'll based out of Ahoniara, so next up, Hendersonfield and Bloody Ridge, and alligator creek, and all those places where I've been

I really didn't hear anything. I had no idea there were giants there. I mean, I hadn't googled

the Solomon's or anything like that. I just turned up to do my job, and, um, yeah, I never would have

guessed, never, never even what I thought about it. But, um, there was an incident, and I was sort of,

“I guess, the only way to say, I, I don't deployed with the territorial force, like your, um,”

like your national guard, and I was sort of a bit overqualified for the position I was in. I spoke, uh, the language of the Solomon's. I picked that up very quickly. I've always had a knack for languages. Even still, I speak pretty terrible German after three years here. Uh, but back when I was younger, languages came naturally to me. Uh, I've been qualified for recon, medic, all kinds of other stuff, so they kind of stuck me at the front of everything,

and, uh, I was sent, uh, on to the weather coast, which is the far side of Guadalcanal. We're

basically no one goes, and we were looking for some, um, bad dudes that had done something very

bad to a New Zealand police officer. So when I was sent into the jungle there, we, we were looking for these guys. We went through some really insane countryside. It was absolutely brutal. It's just

“straight up and down, sort of 40 degrees all day, uh, water in the bottom, nothing up to the top,”

and the people we were looking for were up to top. Of course, uh, command being command, had us carrying all kinds of crap we shouldn't have. We had, uh, guys falling over with heat stroke, um, there was a nightmare. And so in the end, we sort of pushed ahead in smaller patrols. And we went into a little village that we were tasked with finding called dinghy sada. You can find it on a map. It's tiny. Eleven people lived in dinghy sada. Only one of them had ever left it. And that

guy fortunately spoke, uh, pigeon, or a top, a top person, or central Solomon's, or whatever you want to call it, which is just a bastardised version of English with, if you're other languages in there as well. Um, I spoke that, and it was through him that I was able to get some really good information where the guys were hunting where, and we decided to stay in that position for night. Still have no anything about giants, still haven't heard anything about big foot, still haven't no idea any of

that was going on. And then a young boy came into the village, and it's very hard to tell how young people, how old they are, so they're very malnourished. So what would look like at a 12-year-old Western, he could be 17 or 18. So the young boy came in, and he was obviously terrified, you know, there's like five guys there with guns, and I'd try to calm him down, and his uncle said, "Oh, no, he's not scared of you guys. He's scared of Uma." And I'm like, "What's Uma?" And I've written

it down. I could read exactly what I wrote down in the patrol report, but he said, "He was something on the valley floor, and he met Uma by the river." You know, one of the other people that live in the forest, one of the giants with the orange fur, the ones that smell terrible and have a screen that makes your blood run cold. It was fishing, and when it smelled him, it chased him and tried to catch him. But the boy was too fast and hid between the rocks where Uma couldn't

reach him. He wants you to go and kill it. He wants you and the other soldiers to go and kill the

monster that humps in the valley. So, when I've got a kid that's never seen a white person before,

that's never left a village that has no idea of the outside world who's just seen his face on the back of a digital camera for the very first time, who describes to me a perfect sort of

“big foot story translated through his uncle who's only ever been as far as honeyara, unlike, okay?”

All right, this is sounding a lot like those rock-ape stories from Denang in '66, and I need to call it in. So, all of the whole section was like laughing at me, but I called it in, and I told the boss what's going on, and she said, you know, "Well, have you Google giants in the Solomon's before?" And I'm like, "No." And she's like, "Google it when you get back to Honiara." So, everyone's sort of laughed at me because, you know, I have reported it, you know, my soldiers would just let

something like that go, but that's when I got back to Honiara and I started Googling it, and it, like, even the prime minister's seen them. There's all of these stories about them up at the the goldbridge mine where we gap on patrols all the time. They're like, "Throw the bulldoze of blades off the hill," and, like, it's just commonplace, everyone in the Solomon's nose. There's giants there. So, from there I was like, maybe there's something to this, but that kid,

that kid was absolutely terrified. Absolutely terrified. And when you meet someone like that, that has got absolutely no reason to make up a story like that in a place where that's something

a white person before. You know, that's kind of pretty different to some of the stories I

hear on your show. Now, you guys, I've got some amazing people, I absolutely believe. Like,

Todd the helicopter pilot and clear that English lady, I am 100% convinced, you know, they saw what they saw, just like I was with this kid. But sometimes, you know, you get people

“it's a bit, ah, not sure if I believe you. But that combined with the other experiences I had,”

as a young fellow and as a hunting guy in New Zealand, I really was pretty open minded to the idea that something could be there. That and we're not too far from the island of Flores. You might know about homeiferous census, you heard of that before? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So, I'm like, we're close to Flores. We're close enough to Borneo, there's Aranya Tangs in Borneo. Close enough to Flores, where, you know, I'm in the Dutch reported seeing, you know, homeiferous

census, you know, which is technically our latest surviving home of relative. I mean, I'm not convinced it was really maybe another species, I think it could be like a thyroid condition. I mean, we've got all the little islands through the Mediterranean where, you know, elephants and things got, got isolated. They all became small. I mean, we have numerous examples throughout history,

“where something's become very stunted by being isolated. But it did get me thinking, you know,”

like maybe there really is something here. So, anyway, deployment ended. I went back to New Zealand. Again, tragedy struck. We had the loss of, of someone very close to us, which resulted in also to complications, which unfortunately ended my marriage. When that sort of wrapped up, I sold up my

farm. And I mean, another thing you talk about, there's Orbs quite a bit. I've never seen Orbs

in the home and it's in the same place at the same time. But we had Orbs on my farm all the time, all the time. And I put it down to ball lightning to be completely honest. But I sell those things a bunch and I saw them in Australia as well and I was hunting there. They call them the menmen lights. We'd see them out in the desert roof shooting all of the time. And even we had a one, I hear you talking about like a cloaking and things like this. All of these things you talk

“about and you show, that's why I love your show. You got some stuff that they're really”

hit home with me. My aunty and I would have been 1993 as 15 years old. It was 12.01. I'm like, right, it's Christmas day. Technically, I can go and get a present from under the tree. She was up cooking at Turkey. She said you have one present. I picked the worst present ever. It was like a science kit and like chemical set. I couldn't start mixing chemicals in the middle of the night. So I went back to bed and I heard something outside the window, which was just, it was pretty

horrific. It was just like bones crunching, like an animal, noring and crunching and destroying bones. Now we're at a place called Gula, which is right near the Kurong. It's like quite a sacred place. There's been a squial in the alley sightings there. So when got my aunty and to this day, she we swear, like we heard something just ripping a carcass apart, pulling it to bits right outside the window. Every time we turn the light on it to stop, every time we turn the light

off, it would start again. And so I've always been very open minded. I've had a lot of weird experiences.

Now a kid seen big foot and I'm like, this could be my Indiana Jones opportunity. So having sold my farm, I decided I'd head back there. I decided I'd go with a very very open mind. I decided I would write it down. I would document everything and I would try and explore the origins of the methods as I said. You know, like the the bun yips, you know, for 40,000 to 60,000 years, our originals have been in Australia. And for considerable amount of

that time we had a marsupial one that the size of a rhinoceros with a nose like a tapia that lived in the lakes. So they have stories about monsters living in the lakes. And we know these animals are real. We just don't know when they became extinct. Obviously they're extinct now. And I thought maybe something was here in the Solomon's, whether it's there now or not, they'd definitely will something. So yeah, that took me back there. Yeah, I want to talk to you about your farm and

everything that you just went into there before we do. So you go back to the Solomon Islands. Is the locals kind of separate Uma from the giants? Yeah, no, I'm not in the giants, they're pretty much the same thing. But I will get to that because that's it's really quite interesting. And again, it's one thing that we just have to be careful with, I make, I'm going to make some cultural statements based on years of my life there. They don't think like normal

people. They want to tell you a story. They see you as cigarettes, beer, chocolate, food and cash.

where I don't want to say their pathological liars. I just, I need to be very clear and that, I mean, I'm talking to people often that are in grass skirts. You know, these people don't understand that I'm actually looking for, for serious information. And one of the biggest

difficult difficulties I faced is I could never get rid of them. Like they would always follow

me everywhere I went in the bush. And they're very nice people. They're very kind. But there is huge cultural misunderstandings. And they don't understand necessarily that I am genuinely

“looking for something that I believe to be a real creature. They see dealing with me as an opportunity”

to get a couple of days employment, some food, gone a bit of an adventure. So I'm always going to be really, really careful with what I hear from them. And I think one of the worst examples is some if you Google it at all this guy, Marius Biron or something he always pops up is an Australian helicopter pilot, Marius Solman Islander, and Pigeous goes straight off the deep end for me,

you know, underground UFO bases, you know, underwater UFO bases, giants, all this craziness.

But in my time now, from the what I could source that I felt was really reliable, there's three distinct sort of things I think are possibly the origin of the myths. One is the Wildman, 100% real, 100% met them, 100% face to face. I met people living as primitive humans, 100% real,

“not no hesitation at all, literally met them on river banks. I believe there is 100% without any”

hesitation, a living, hominid, I believe, most likely, homophrociences. That is in the Solman Islands. I 100 without any hesitation can state that. And on multiple occasions, I have either seen them or been so close to them, it's not funny. And as for the big ones, the giants, well, I met Pigeous in

all of our bunch of times, he's got the biggest feet in the world, and he's like huge,

like seven for tools, something he works at the Solman Star News paper, or at least he did when I was there, you can go over there and he'll just pop up. And that dude's big, but actually seeing a giant orange creature, I did not personally. I heard one and had a really horrific experience with something in the bush that was pretty terrifying, we'll get to that. But yeah, it's a very, very complicated environment to work in. There's the language consideration and the cultural

consideration, and it's that cultural divide that's, it is hard to work around. Yeah, so tell me, what was it that you saw down there? Okay, so it took me a long while to see something. I went on a hell of a lot of very long walks, and I'd really tie myself in with the communities along the length of the Solman, along the length of Guadalcanal, is a road that sort of goes from one end to sort of the other,

up land be up in the north, I spend a lot of time up there, and I've got a lot of anecdotal evidence, I met a lot of people that had stories from back in the war, and all sorts of things like that, a lot of people talked about, hybrids, and like people would bring me to see a hybrid there, mother had been raped by, you know, the proper can't say that word on the podcast,

“you have to delete that one. But yeah, they had encounters with the the forest people and things”

like that, and I met quite a few people that they claimed were hybrids. Unfortunately, every time I met a hybrid, it was a person with dwarfers. So, I mean, obviously they went hybrids, and I kept getting all of these weird stories. But the further I went into the jungle, I took a little flipbook with me, with pictures, I had all of these different animals, like animals that I knew to be there, animals I knew weren't there, and I had pictures of all sorts

of undescribed prominence, I had big photo, had drug antipithecus, had homo erectus as well, and the homo erectus is the one picture that they all pointed to the entire time. Now, again, I've got to be careful with what I would, how I worked in here, many of the Solomon Islanders are a very, very looking, a very primitive looking people, and the photo of homo erectus does not look unlike many of the people I saw. And we also have the problem of, again, the mountain nutrition

there, the rampant diseases and things, and there are a lot of people that are really, really tiny. So, it was challenging. It was difficult. I believe something was there, and yeah, on one of

of sad about it is some, I mean, you know, when guerrillas were first documented by science?

“Yeah, Bolivia was the early 1900s, 1902, 1903.”

Yep, 1902, and the Billy ape, which, you know, it's gone before we've ever been able to document it, and the amount of damage that's going on there, I honestly, I think these things are going to be potentially gone before we're able to document them. But anyway, going out this forestry road, and I get a weird feeling. I've been hunting or guiding hunters, much of my life, I've been a soldier, and yeah, you know, as Claire would say, someone walks over your grave.

Yeah, it's Australian saying as well, you just get that tingle. So it stopped the car, and as we stopped the car, I see some footprints up the trail, like right up the middle of the clay road, and it's just a clay-logging road, and yeah, I get out of the

“car, and the only thing I could say it sounded like would be a monkey noise, just it was nothing special,”

it was nothing, overly terrifying, but a weird monkey noise came, came at me from the bushes. Now I have my girlfriend at the time in the car, and she freaked out, she screamed at me not to go, so I gave her one of our machetes or bushknife as we call them in the solomans. I took a big bushknife, I got my camera, and I got my GPS, and I started to go into the bush after it. Now, something was right in front of me. You cannot see through that jungle to save yourself.

It is so thick, and especially where it's been logged, the regeneration is just so fast, like I call it Jack in the Beanstalk land, because you would throw beans out the window, and the next morning there would be a Beanstalk. It's just so dense, but I could literally feel something looking at me, and I did smell it, and it just wet dog, but more, for me, it reminds me of goats, like it obviously shot a lot of goats as a hunter in Australia,

that the goats, the Billy goats, will piss on themselves, and it really just smells like an animal that had pissed all over itself. Absolutely awful, and yeah, as I went forwards, I've got my knife, I'm thinking, look, you know, no guts, no glory in the end of Jones, I've nearly died a million times anyway, let's see what happens, and it made sure I felt very unwelcome. And when that thing took off, it went through bamboo, like it was matched, I just heard it tearing off through

the bush, absolutely smashing everything to bits, and yeah, it's enough to make you, you know, question what you're doing in the bush, and I turned around a rather smartly, I didn't run, but I was well aware I was not welcome there, I felt incredibly uncomfortable with say the least, and I went and got back in the car, and my misses at the time, she has never spoken about about it again since, and that was pretty much the end of our relationship, she wanted to go home

and never ever ever speak of that again. So that was the first time, so I didn't see anything,

and I've got some good photos of the footprints that left up the road, and they were not huge, they were not huge at all, but they were strange. When you were looking at the footprints

“what was strange about them, and you mentioned it made you feel unwelcome, what do you mean by that?”

It's hard to describe, just a gut feeling, I got charged by a bear in Mongolia, and there was nothing about it that really worried me, it was mock charging, I had a rifle, it stopped, we squared off against each other, I went through the same sort of drills that I goes through, in a casualty situation, or a situation where there's incoming where I'm cool, calm, and collected, I'm just sort of just going through my robot paces in my brain, and at the end of it,

I feel sick and just, you know, you know, go to pieces afterwards, but in a crisis, I'm really good,

after the crisis, I'll come apart, normally have a bit cry or throw up or whatever, and the first time

I saw a wolf in the wild, a big wolf in Mongolia, I knew there wasn't no way in how I could hit that thing, and it was coming straight into the patch of willows I was in, and I was like, right, I'm out of here. But that feeling I had there in the Solomon's, it was very much like that with the wolf, it's just like this thing has got me, there's nothing I can do, and I am not in the right place. It was all, it was one of the few times where I really did struggle to keep my composure in a stressful situation,

I'm aware of pretty much all of the animals you find in the Solomon's, but this was nothing I've heard of,

“this was not a noise, a human could make, I hear talk about that, that in, in for sound or whatever it is,”

for lying rules and stuff like that, and I didn't get any of that, it was just a really, really bad gut feeling, and not a pleasant, not a pleasant experience, but not an experience that I could definitively call one thing or another, which really sucks, because that's not what I was after I was after that, you know, smoking gun, that clear image on 4K film, and I did not get it, but that was only one of many. Yeah, I'm very curious about the tracks, you know, you being a soldier and a hunter,

you would recognize there's something weird about these tracks, probably quicker than just some Joesmo hiker out there, what was weird about the tracks? Well, there's two things, one thing everyone in the Solomon's is barefoot, everyone in the Solomon's has weird feet, and a human being that has been barefoot for the entire life has a very different footprint to someone that wears shoes. Now as I said, Peter Nora, it has the biggest feet in the entire world,

“so there's only so much you can tell by the size of someone's feet, I think he's size 24 or”

something like that. So these footprints weren't particularly huge, they were about the same size

as mine, but there was basically no ball of the foot on the ground, no arch, and a really,

really broad right across the front. Okay, so about the photo, so I can sit in them through to you, and they're in the book I wrote anyway. Yeah, I saw so many strange hand prints, so many strange footprints. I think it would be very wrong for me to grasp onto it as being something unique, because the variety and the footprints I saw there was outrageous, but it did have quite a strange gate, but you see that's just there, they're like, I mean, I want to remain scientific, you know, I don't

want to say, I definitely saw this, I definitely saw that. There's times when I will tell you, definitely what I saw, but I really cannot put this down to one thing or another. Got feeling this was not a human. This really had a small ball and no arch and a very broad front, and if it was running, I wouldn't have got that ball at the back, and so this is one of the more unique prints that I've seen, and I saw a lot of unique prints, but one of the big things I

would do there as well is I would take photos of the footprints that the actual, the Solomon Islanders, and they had some really weird footprints, really weird. Yeah, if you would send me the picture, I would love to look at it. I ordered a copy of your book anyway, so I'll see it anyway here in shortly when the book arrives, but the reason why I was so curious about the footprint is, you know, I found footprints before, and they were very wide, very boxy, almost like Fred Flintstone's

foot, and I have a very wide flat foot, and so for me to be impressed, it takes a lot, but the tracks that you're talking about, I mean, it does sound like it was running. I can't wait to see the picture. If you would kind of tell me about the next incident. Okay, so the next incident

“was quite an interesting one. I had a taxi driver, like if you want to find out anything in the”

Solomon's, just getting a taxi and ask them, they've always got a guy, they always know something,

but the taxi driver had told me about his uncle was having problems with whom I built just one of their many names for the Giants, up at his forestry camp. So anyway, hired a little Suzuki, and only just made it up there, because you've got the old monsoon rain on the clay roads, and started having a chat with the boys up there, and they said, yeah, they're up the tree, and I'm like, what do you mean they're up the tree? It's like, yeah, they hired up the tree every day,

and there's this huge rainforest tree, it's just all twisting roots and all kinds of stuff, and it's got no timber value, and they're saying, yeah, they hired up that tree, and you know, I had a look up there, and I saw a brown fur, but am I right? I'll chuck some trail cameras up, and we'll see if anything comes out of that at night. So again, one of the problems I face is, my trail cameras either have no batteries in them the next morning, or they've been stolen and

swapped for beer, or they've been smashed. So I normally put that down to the locals and one of the

is that what breaks my trail cameras, but in all of the time there, I got nothing.

“I don't know how many trail cameras I must have taken me. 30 of them with me, lost every single one,”

lost every single battery, dozens of times over, lost all the SIM cards, lost it everything,

it never got a single photo, and that is just one of the many reasons why working there is awful.

But long story short, I stayed up there, and the boys that were in that village, they took me through to meet a kid that had been kidnapped. He was in his 30s now. He was kidnapped when he was a child, he apparently spent a good week with them, and yeah, he had all sorts of stories, and he told me where he stayed. Another guy, he just passed away, unfortunately, but he'd actually been involved in a mass killing of them. His wife had been stolen in the 80s,

they went to get his wife back, and in an engagement with them, they killed dozens of these people in the forest. Now, whether they were the wild men, which, as I've said, really do exist,

while they were the small ones, these girls said that they were the small ones. Now, everyone kept saying

the same thing, about four foot tall orange hair, red eyes, and really, really strong, horrendously strong. So strong that when they pick fruit, they just break the tree down rather than, you know,

“climb up it and get it. And that's what they were saying was up this, up this tree. Now, the next”

morning, they had been considerable damage done to the forestry camp. They chucked a lot of timber down the banks, all kinds of stuff was trashed, and the boys all said, look, we can go and have a look at the caves, because everything lives in caves there. There's all of these stories about underground cities, and how the giants can travel from one end of the country to the other, just using the caves. So, we went down into a little valley, and we're heading up towards some

limestone caves. We're one of the two main things that these, what I think are home of for us,

the answer is mainly you. They love the bats, and they love the crayfish and the creeks that it

two favorite things. And as we headed up the valley, we started here and creatures vocalizing from either side of the valley. Now, the only problem is, I've got like six guys following me that all fascinated that all we've never seen, you know, hung out with a white guy, especially a white guy with a camera, and they're just talking and smoking the entire time. And no matter how many times I tell them to shut up and just please, can you just let me go ahead? They'd always

be right there, or it's worried something would happen to me, and they're always keep saying, he's going to steal you. The little giants are going to steal you. They're going to capture you. You're a white man, they'll be curious, they will grab you. So, continue up there towards the caves, keep hearing two creatures vocalizing, and it was nothing outside the range of what a human being could make. But one big thing I did notice was the

clicks, and it just sounded like someone like clicking you like, like with their tongue, like clicking their tongue against the roof of their mouth. And that was weird. So, as we get towards the caves, I just stopped, and I just said to the boys, "Well, there's so little listen, help." And they're all sitting there muttering away and about, I don't know how to say about 30 minutes away from me, I guess. I watched a firm from just go straight down, there was a hand

on it. And on the other side of that, the firm from was a face about the size of a child, is darker skin as the natives just messy, reddish brown hair, which is black eyes, but I'm in the natives have very, very dark eyes. You can't really distinguish the white of the eye at that distance. You're very dark eyes and knows that it was not a great deal, flatter than that of any Solomon Islander, but there was clearly red hair on the hand,

red hair on the face, red hair on the head, and just made eye contact with me, looked at me, and then let go of the firm from, and just melted into the bush. Now, the kids don't run away,

“the locals don't run away. Like, it was something different. What it was?”

Again, I'm convinced that was behind my fluorescence, but that wasn't even, that wasn't even the weirdest one. So by this time, obviously, a lot of people are interested in what I'm doing, friend of mine from Australia. He's a docket filmmaker, and he's like, can I come over and film with you and hang out? And I'm like, absolutely. So, as if it wasn't bad enough getting into the jungle with a bunch of Solomon Islanders following

me smoking, drinking, talking, making all sorts of noise, I now had to camera them in with me. And it was, yeah, yeah, very difficult. We got way, way, way up towards Mount Morasu,

sightings are, and is absolutely well men there. I met Wildman on the river banks there a lot.

“These people, there's tons of different languages. In the Solomon's, I cannot communicate with”

these people. They don't speak pigeon, which is what I speak. Obviously, don't speak English,

and it's awkward because they're always naked. It's just basically naked, prehistoric humans

on a river bank. And I'd stalk in on them all the time and just back away because I don't want to intrude. I don't want to harass them, and I don't want to get in a fight with people that, well, I have a bush knife and the ability to defend myself. They have a stick. I don't want to end up in a situation where there's a misunderstanding that involves in a physical conflict. But they're definitely up there. So anyway, I end up on a river bank. I have a chat to the boys and I say,

look, I'm going for a bit of a bush stalk on my own. Fortunately, that the native guys that were

“with us were exhausted. So I head up the river, and it's just straight. Razerback ridges dropping”

into a river. I get far enough up that I'm away from everyone. And across the creek, and as across the creek, I find a really strong game trail heading up one of the Razerback ridges.

And one of the first things that I found there was at the entry to it. I found what I call

a preach tree. So I'm Samadir a lot. I don't have a lot of deer, but Samadir and Australia, New Zealand, and they'll mark trees, like scent mark, just like a wolf does it as well. A lot animals don't fill mark a tree. And it's dunk, absolutely dunk. And it was, I'm absolutely convinced it was a thermo marker of some of the description. Like it really made me feel uncomfortable and a bit sick. But I've gone this far. I've got two camera boots down there down the river.

I've got a little handy cam in my hand. I've got a radio in my pocket. I've got a bush knife resembling a pirate cutler in my hand. And I'm going for it. So I'm going to follow it up. So I start following the trail straight up this Razerback ridges, because whatever it left it, it only just left it. And as I go up the ridges, I spook something below me. And it lets out a god awful scream and just up above me, I caught movement. So it was something in front of me

and something behind me. And as I say, it the jungle is so thick. You can't see a damp thing. But this thing below me just takes off and smashes through the trees. And at this point, I really realized, look, my position is completely untenable. I've had, you know, native telling me for weeks, this guy is going to steal you. He's going to take you to the cave, they might kill you. And it got the better of me. And I completely pushed it out. And I went

down that hill so fast. I completely did not stick the landing. The bit that I come up, it would have been about a two meter drop at the bottom. Somehow, I went off that without breaking my camera. My head stopped my body from getting really hurt when I landed on the rocks, but I was, I was not happy. I managed to get myself together and realized that there were

two creatures on the same side of the river as me. And that's when I heard a third one on the

other side of the river. I just crossed. So I get the camera going. It's fading light. I haven't

“got much light left. And I think, right, if these things are going to grab me, if I get in the river”

and at least get up to my armpits, I've got a chance. So I go straight in the creek and I can hear them talking to one another. Nothing like your Sierra sounds. Nothing like any of that, I've heard on your show. Everything I feel within the vocal range of a human being but clicks, lots of clicks. And yeah, so I end up nice little deep hole in the river. It's pretty cold. I'm still 30 degrees at night. And it's at that point of the evening when the jungle, I have even been

in like a tropical jungle before. Do you know what it's like at sunset? I've been to Jamaica and therefore, but I think it's, I mean, I was a tourist. So I think it's probably different from what you're talking about. It's borderline deafening. It is so loud. And because I'm in a seat valley, the sides are just straight up. You don't really have a twilight. Now, I've got like a nice river stone, like on the upstream side, on the left-hand side of the upstream,

there's like a nice sort of gray river stone, a little bank. And I was really starting to worry.

basically coming in like a triangle shape around me. And I'm just thinking about like all the

“boys and Mongolia saying stuff to me, like it's never the wolf you see that's the one that's”

going to get you. It's the one that comes from the side. Sometimes I'm starting to get in my head, but the whole way through, I am recording on the camcorder. And I'm talking myself through every single thing that I see. And I'm second guessing every single thing that I'm seeing. Now, in fading white, I basically can't see anything that shadows moving. Start to get stressed. I get my little torch out of my pocket. And my torch is broken. But I borrowed my friends' torch,

which he got from one of the little Chinese shops in the Solomon Islands. Just a crappy little torch,

double-aid batteries, but it had a little laser pointer on it. And if you double-click the laser

pointer, it would go on. And if you clicked at once, the torch would go on. So I put the torch on. I absolutely can't see anything with it. And it's, you know, I'm light fading rapidly. I'm in the creek. I can hear things moving around. Probably, I don't know, maybe five minutes goes by. The light's really going. And I just start catching eye shine in the bushes. And it was more like a dog eye shine rather than a person in person. You don't get a great eye shine on.

It was more like a dog, a dog's, like a dingo, wolf. Again, very used to shooting these animals. Under spotlight. But I started to get eye shine. And yeah, it was pretty unnerving to say the least, but I could not see anything. So at the absolute last of the available light, one of the things comes out of the forest. I can clearly see absolutely crystal clear set. And like, well, you know, it's shadow. Could not see any details whatsoever. But I could absolutely make out the

silhouette perfectly. No mistake whatsoever. Four and a half five foot tall. Definitely not a human slightly awkward gate. Her hands just hung a little bit longer. And it did the weirdest thing. It came straight to the water's edge. And it kind of sort of squatted and put both of its fists on the ground. And it was just looking at me. And I got a cancer through the camcorder. I've got, I can barely sit in the fading light. I put the torch on my panic. And I'm saying to the

camera, you know, I'll try and get eye shine from this creature. But I was panicking and I double clicked and I put the laser pointer on it. And as soon as that laser pointer went on, they just bolted. Gone. Absolutely just disappeared into the into the bush. So I just, at this point, I'm like,

right, well, that's over. But there's no way hell I'm getting out of this river. So I basically just

deliberately lost my foot and put the camera in the water proof bag. And I floated the whole way back down the river until I found the found the camp. Yeah, I was shaking like a leaf. I drank half a bottle of whiskey and fell asleep. And yeah, that was an experience that was some, yeah, a little on there. But they, and the fact that they were smaller wasn't really that surprising. I'm in one of the girls that was up there as our guide. She was only four and a half foot tall,

but it was those arms and the way they moved, that had me absolutely convinced that that was not a homo sapiens tape that was something different. 100% shorter. You know, as you tell this account, P, it reminds me of Sasquatch encounters here in the states,

“or even in your home country of Australia, the only thing that's really different is a size.”

Do you really think that it is something different? Or do you think that it's kind of what everyone else around the world is seeing? But because it's an island, the size is smaller? Nope. I don't believe it's the same creature at all. The Aboriginal speaker, numerous other people. They speak of the small ones as well. The Nimbans, and the numerous different local dialect names for them. They talk of the small ones, and they talk about the big ones. The people up in Mount Pomerasu,

they were showing us up the mountain. There's this big mountain range where they won't go on because that's where the giants are, and they say every time it's really stormy, when there's lightning, you'll see them. They come out of the rocks. Aboriginals, I've spoken to have said the same

“things. I believe that there is, well, it definitely was something that formulated these stories.”

And yeah, I think for me personally the homo fluorescence is the best example. The Denisovians, there's another one that I really think is actually probably the most likely

Santa Isabelle, they're on choice all, they're on Milaita. I visited all of those islands.

I spent a lot of time up in Bovenville, up in Papua, and the Mellon Asian people there, the Denisovians, seven to eight, then sodium, which is higher than anywhere else in the world. And we don't really know, a great deal of out, then sodium is at all. We know from like a pinky bone that was very large and very little else. So if I had to, I know you ask everyone what you think big food is, it's a tough one. But my opinion, it's absolutely flesh and blood,

“and yeah, I think Denisovians are something we would love to love to know a little bit more”

about, I just hope that we can have a few more archaeological finds in the future that maybe sheds and light on that. And I mean, we're learning more and more and more from DNA. We have Neanderthal DNA in us, we have Denisovian DNA in us. I'm really hoping that through maybe some event, I'm not talking Jurassic Park type advances, but if we can isolate a few more things in the DNA, maybe learn a bit more about our ancestors, maybe we can, we can shed some new light on it. But

flesh and blood, man. flesh and blood. Yeah, I could understand the way you feel. I want to

back up for a second. The first one that you saw were it popped its head out of the bushes and then

looked at you and then went back into the bushes. When you were looking at that face, did it look human to you? See, this is, this is again where I've just got to choose my words very carefully, so it's not to sound racist or judgmental. Yes, but not in the sense that it looked like me or someone else. I mean, if you, you have a look at a photo of like a really now, narrowly Aboriginal dude from, you know, the middle of Australia or like, you know, compare that to

an Askimo, you know? I mean, human, the spectrum that we can call human is, is pretty broad, but that was, look, that face was very much on the end of what you would call very primitive looking. Very, very, very primitive looking features, but to say it was completely unlike the more primitive looking folks I met in the Solomon's would be, would be incorrect. It was, it was not so far removed that it wasn't human. Yeah, you don't, you know what I mean? Does that make sense? Yes and no,

“the orange hair throws me off. Did you run into a lot of people with orange hair there?”

Yep, plenty of them. Do you think what you actually saw was human? What I saw was him. No, I don't, I absolutely don't think it was him. I did, there was just, it's mannerisms. The way in which it moved was the way it brought the firm down and the way it let the firm go was not the way a person would do it. The people there are very clumsy, they're very care, they're like careless, you know, they make a lot of noise, they've got no reason to, to hide,

they've got no reason to be afraid, you know, that the like every tribe speaks the language of the tribes around them, you know, that whatever it was wasn't interacting with the people that live on that, you know, that particular part of the bush. So, yeah, no, I think it was, I think it was something else, absolutely. The other thing I wanted to ask you about P was, when you were talking to, I witnessed, as you'd mentioned, too, in particular, that you talked to, one of his wife had been

“stolen. Did they ever go into descriptions as far as what they saw?”

He passed away, but it's the same place where that's going to happen. The descriptions I got from people there looked, they're all pretty much the same, they're hairy people, they're incredibly strong, and there are a lot of small up, and there's a very famous story in the Solomon's about this guy. Oh, it's his name, kind of a condor or something like that. I wrote it down, but it's, I wrote it down in the book anyway, and he was one of the blackbirds. So, the blackbirds

were Solomon Islanders that they basically kidnapped, took him to Australia, lure them onto boats

and got them to work in the sugar cane fields. And this guy was apparently like superhuman strength, very hairy, and yeah, he, he, there was much work in a day as 10 other guys, and all he wanted in payment was to back go, and he couldn't speak properly and all that kind of stuff. So, he's sort of more like the description of what they say to people like that. They're very,

much smaller. That's sort of the description, you get there, they have language,

“their arms are a bit longer than ours. Short, they have an awkward gate. They sometimes nest in”

the trees. They love the crayfish. And yeah, apparently, they were all over Guidal Canal, but since the war, they've just been moving further and further and further and further back. And when you talk to the older people, all the older people know all about them. But in saying that, the older people will also tell you stories about 30 meter long snakes with diamonds on their heads that slither across the top of the canopy. They'll tell you about the bush motorbike,

whereby you tie a string to your toe, hold the other string in the other end of the string in your hand. You say some magic words, and you pull on your toe, and you can run for every step, you take like a thousand steps, and you can run across the tree tops. So, you can't really take everything they say to be, you know, 100% true. So, yeah. You know, the other thing, P, is when you were talking about the vocalizations that you heard, it was a lot of tongue pops and

“tongue clicks. And remember, run more head told me that back when he actually got this here,”

a sound that they used a lot of tongue pops and tongue clicks. And at the time, I didn't really pay attention to it because I was so fascinated by the actual Sierra sounds. But even today, you'll hear a lot of eyewitnesses say that. They'll report that tongue pop or tongue click. What other vocalizations did you hear? Oh, I mean, just, it just sounds any human could make like your little whoops and

and who's and has and things like that. I heard at one point there were imitating bird sounds, and it was crystal clear that it was not the birds because it was coming from the same place, the sound was coming from. But nothing that really sounded anything like the classical sort of,

I mean, you guys always have your train locks and your, you know, big long hauls and all that.

And they've really heard anything like that at all to be completely honest, just just little whoops and, you know, that, yeah, lots of clicks, lots of clicks and pops. And yeah, but nothing,

“nothing overly crazy, nothing that I can honestly say didn't sound outside the range of a human.”

But the big thing that we encountered, whatever that was that there was on him and they had lungs beyond the capability of anything a human could produce. That thing was a lot, a lot, absolutely a lot. And so did that kind of wrap up your trip to the Solomon's? Well, I was there for a long time. And look, I was, I was working very hard there. I was doing

a gold recovery. So basically I would, I would buy gold from the natives because now one was

dumb enough to go into the places I was going into. And I'd buy it direct from the natives and send it back to New Zealand. But I mean, the issues with the corruption in the country were just horrendous. The domestic violence was something that I, I really struggled with. There's a lot of unexploded audience left from the war. I actually used to live it, alligator creek. I was right next to one of the machine gun positions and they want to do my gardening up fine grenades and things in the

backyard. It was a tough place to live. A really tough place to live. And then the big cyclone came and smashed everything. And then there was like a big refugee camp in town. And you know, everyone was wanting compensation. It's a big thing in the Solomon's, they're like compensation for everything. And I was pushing up to Bob and Villa Lock getting a lot more gold up there and bouncing backwards and forwards between a choice and you know, going through the pigeon islands. But there's no

pigeon's left because they killed them all during the war in Bogonville. That's where all the rebels were hiding out. Yeah, and I've been Bogonville. I saw a lot of really bad stuff. I bought a lot of gold. I had a lot of time looking for looking for big foot up there. But apparently they all

the last of them there died during the war. That's the war. And for Panguna mine, where basically

the big copper company that had the mine there used the Papuman military as mercenaries to knock off all of Bogonvilleians. You've seen the movie, Mr. Pip. Yeah, that's on that. But it's a it's a it's a war torn place. It's hard work. And it just got harder and harder for me to stay there. And I keep my humanity. It really got to the point where I just seen so many horrific things that it was it was it was time to go all lose my mind. You can only pull kids out of crocodile so many times before

in the same way. I valued human life. I'd be glad to watch the, you know, the Japanese fishing fleet,

“you know, come and park up in Moniar and try and abduct young girls. And it was mainly the”

Malaysian dudes there that were doing that on the Japanese. They just don't have the fleets. And, you know, you'd see that they bought up a wailing boat. So all of the government officials had new cars so that they'd vote for wailing. And all the timbers just getting clear-feld and sent to our Malaysian to make cheap patio furniture for Australians. And yeah, it's, man, does it take a take a toll on your humanity? It's, it was just too much for me. And there was an incident that's

probably not suitable for you. You show that involved a young child losing his life in an attempt to make fishing bombs out of all 105 millimeter artillery shells. That, yeah, that was that was the point for me where I was just like, no, I just, I just can't do this anymore. I just can't be here. I can't see what we're doing to these people any longer. I can't see what they're doing to themselves.

“And it just breaks my heart to see that this is another place where we're going to lose something”

before we find it. And we had sidenotes in 2015, some guy was watching it at the environmentalist of seeing a tree get cut down. And a large rat fell out of it basically, hit the ground and died. That's just giant rat. And I've been seeing them all the time. It's in millions of, like, all the time I saw them. Turns out it was a new species. Completely unknown to science, and first described in 2015. And I'd been walking past these things the whole lady time. So

I could have got famous finding that, but instead, I just got very sad, worsened by PTSD, and went back home to New Zealand with my talent when the legs. And I'd like to think that the whole time we've been talking, I'm quite jaded from my experiences to be

completely honest, and I like to consider myself that I've always remained skeptical. I've gone

“through everything in a very scientific way as far as I'm concerned. And I really don't have”

a normal brain. I really do tend to do outrageously dangerous things without a second thought about it. And yeah, it was one hell of an adventure, but I'm very glad to be happily married tucked away in the bit there and far as my beautiful wash and my dog and my pines, so yeah. I don't imagine in that environment in a completely different culture that it would be very difficult not to step in when something bad is happening. I probably would have got killed there because I would have

stepped in and, you know, not today. That's not happening today. But I would imagine that attitude would get you killed pretty quick in a place like that. You got no idea how many times I only got killed stepping in the middle of something so it was ridiculous. So I had, I've got two different strains in my area, I had dandy fever, another one called yours, which is pretty bad. Yellow fever, distant dream, more times than I can count, nothing but blue parades for seven days,

coming out both ends, sparse, so I could put it in. I've been taken from the, from the flights from I got home, taken home in an ambulance a bunch of times. I've had a lot of a lot of serious injuries. Had our compound attacked by multiple people at the same time had yeah, it was a rough place, it was a rough place and I'm glad I left with my life and yeah, my humanity intact. But look, the Solomon's is a really beautiful place.

You catch it on a good day and it's incredible. You go to the white people places. You

go right on. You're going to have a great time. But if you do go to the darker corners of that country, you will experience the darker corners of that country and that's where you're going to find things. You know, I mean, you'll get exactly the trip you pay for when you go to place like that. It's the same as like, it's nowhere since South America. I mean, this, there's multiple Venezuelas. You know, there's a Venezuelo where you can be safe in it in a big hotel,

there's a Venezuelo with nice forest walks and someone so forth, but there's places you don't go because of the narcoterrorism. Same with Mexico, same with anyway. And unfortunately, for me, I was constantly pushing myself towards those riskier dodgy places in the search for stuff. And it's funny because we have a saying method at the expats over there. There's only three types of people that come to a place like the Solomon's and that's misfits, mercenaries and missionaries,

and they come looking for three things. Glory, gold, or god. And I was definitely two of those things

Earlier, you had mentioned seeing the lights all the time on your farm.

“You mean, example of a time when you saw them, what did it look like? And if you would kind of go”

into what you saw. Okay. So the orgs, I used to call them little light lights. I always see them,

like, and this is, and I was a weird thing to say that like, my brain is programmed to look for things the entire time. I've spent my entire adult life on mountain sites looking for deer or pigs or goats or wolves or bears or anything like that. And you're enemy. And I'm always looking up. I'm always looking down. I'm always looking left. I'm always looking right. And when I drive up the road, I live out the back of a place called Wormanui. It was about 45 kgs into the bush. And we drive like a

bridge. It's like a watershed road. It's hard on a ridge. And we'd often see little white lights down the forestry. And you know, for a while, you'd always like, oh, it's just someone poaching or things like that. But we'd stop and have some beers, sometimes. And you'd be sitting only watching them. And they'd be going places where you know, no person would go at speeds, you know, a person could not walk through there. And that's when I sort of really started to

think, oh, you know, hey, these really are those little orgs and stuff that, you know, people talk

about. And I've never heard of your podcast back then. This is like, right, 2010, that sort of thing.

I had a talk to the neighbor about it. And he's like, yeah, it's ball lightning. It's ball lightning. It's definitely ball lightning. And you know, showed me an internet article about ball lightning. And I was like, oh, yeah, maybe that's it. But when, when a storm would start rolling in, that's when we'd start seeing them. And they were really, really strange because they would go normally through the trees. But that it was low manuka scrub. So the scrub wasn't much much about five

meters. But they'd be in the scrub going through. And they would follow like a contour. They would follow the land around. And then it times they would come up and they would cross a little gorge. And then they'd go back to following the land around. Weirdest looking things ever. Absolutely weird as a variance size from size of your fist up to maybe big basketball, set sort of thing. And the closest one ever came to me. It'd come down the ridge towards me. And all the

hair on the arms stood up. And I was sitting there doing my normal thing. I had my rifle with me at the time. And I was like, right, this is aliens. I'm either going to get a photo or get killed a bite. And yeah, put around in the chamber. I got my phone out. My phone went off. My arms went all tingly. Had like my hair stood up on me and went straight past me. Just did a little white ball maybe 10-50 meters away. That's size of a basketball. Sort of a bunch of times. Sort

of mountain hunting all the time. The marries say it's like they're dead ancestors and ghosts and

things like that. In Australia, they call them a minmin light. And they say never, ever,

follow them. If you follow them into the bush, you will never come out. But yeah, but it's just

“I put it down to a natural phenomena. I think ball lightning's a good enough explanation for me.”

I always try and go to the most logical explanation. I don't, I don't want to go to anything fantastic. I don't want to be a crazy guy that's labeled nuts. But yeah, saw those things regularly. But I have seen one thing that was absolutely mental. And that was in Kazakhstan. So yeah, that was actually a UFO. Didn't, didn't see big foot or orbs or anything like that. Let me ask you this before you go on to the UFO incident. You know, about 10 years ago or so,

might be 11 now or 12. I used to get reports of these ball of light. I mean, people would see them all the time. And they would report them all the time. And I've seen them. And I kind of went with the ball of lightning explanation as well. But you know, from a scientific point of view, a ball of lightning is pretty rare to see. You have better chance of actually winning the

“lottery than seeing a ball of lightning. I think something like 4 or 5% of the population has actually”

seen a ball of lightning. And if that's the case, the numbers are way off because I've had a hell of a lot of people have seen balls of lightning on their property. Do you really think it was a ball of lightning that you were seeing all the time? Well, look, I don't know what it was, but that's that's as good as I can do. Was it a ghost? I don't know. Was it aliens? I don't know. But I don't know that ball lightning exists. I do know that there's documented cases of it moving as

though it is controlled. I mean, what were all of those UFOs and orbs and things that they saw

Chinese technology? I mean, the Indians are pretty good at making stuff these days. They're doing

“the iPhones there. Well, was it India testing technology? I don't know. Does it have something to”

do with harp? They've got that big electrical thing up in Alaska or whatever it is. It's, you know, apparently moving the North Pole and giving us weather control and I don't know. And if I don't know, I'm going to go with the most logical explanation. I can think of until I can think of something better or, you know, more evidence comes to light. I have absolutely no idea. But we're in an area of sort of quite unique geology. It's where all the weather coming over from Australia.

That's the first point on the West Coast where all of that weather has to climb up a hill. And

for me, that's the perfect place for static electricity to build up. So for me, electrical phenomena, not unrealistic. You know, even in your home country, the aboriginals, as you mentioned, they'll say, don't follow the lights. They'll lead you to your death, basically. And I highly doubt they've been talking to the Native Americans over in the states, because the Native Americans have the exact same saying, don't follow the lights. They'll lead you to your

death. I have a hard time buying into the fact that it's a bowl of lightning, but I want you to be right. I really want to be wrong. Tell me about the UFO you saw in Kazakhstan. We started off in Pavleda and Kazakhstan, and we got three horses. And we really didn't have a great idea of what we doing at that stage. And we promptly lost our pack of horses at the side of to just run home with most of our gear. Made an absolute mess of things. And about two or three weeks into the ride through

Kazakhstan, we had it flying really nicely. I had a beautiful little buck skin stallion and my wife, well, I go for an end, but my wife now had this great little stock horse. And we we've done about probably 40, 45 k's without seeing anyone or anything. And we found this beautiful little shallow lake amongst sort of low sort of rolling sandions and scrub, middle of absolute nowhere in Kazakhstan.

Like Kazakhstan is huge. It is just amazing, endless rolling step. And we tucked ourselves into this nice little

valley and a crapper beer, made a little fire, and I was just walking over to Teather the horses, because we've got hobbles on them and spike the spike in the ground and rope that they can graze on. And I look back towards the misses and about 35 meters above here, a mercury silver craft sort of where I couldn't been much more than 20 meters long, maybe three meters high. It went straight over the top of her straight over both horses, none of them looked up and straight across and

off the horizon. No, it was absolutely supersonic and it made a noise, no bigger than a big bird of prey, just sort of sweeping down. It was just just a wish noise. Lou looks up. It's already gone.

“I just make a stupid face and she's like, what was that? And I'm like, I think rushes,”

testing some new kind of aeroplane. And we had a bit of a laugh about it. I confess what it was,

went to bed, helped me in the app, you know, it would be this went to bed, middle of that night, I wake up because the horses are making some sort of crazy noises and like, great aliens. So I grabbed the bow, I grabbed a torch, I had outside, and I'm like, am I going to try and shoot an alien with a barn arrow? Because we just had a mongol horse bow for hunting with. And yeah, I caught three wolves in my head lamp and they were circling,

circling the camp, but as soon as they saw me, they disappeared. But yeah, I didn't get senior aliens. I saw something shiny and silver just zoom straight over the top of us in the middle of nowhere in Kazakhstan. But this stuff just happens to me a lot because I'm out in these crazy places. But if you actually spend time in these crazy places, you absolutely cannot help that have encounters

“like this. It's just how it goes. Was that the only time you saw a craft in the sky?”

That's the only time I've seen what I could 100% identify as a craft. Two days after that, we heard it and we missed it. We heard the same sound. And it was like, that was that thing again. And I'm just looking up everywhere. It went straight over us. Same time, same time in the evening, but we didn't see it that time. We have seen, like, just out on the step and that, we have seen lights, little lights. I'm talking, like, star-sized,

that you could see doing crazy things and absolutely leave Earth's atmosphere or whatever. You know,

What was the sound it made like, is it like a bird? The noise at that. I would just sound like

a bird, like it just a big bird. It was nothing impressive. But all like a swarm landing. That's

“how much noise it made. It was supersonic. And that's what, I know what supersonic looks like.”

That thing was supersonic. And it was silent. Well, yeah, is what it is? Yeah, it's hard to know what box to put that in besides alien. I mean, I guess it could be the government, but that is a weird sighting. You know, outside of anything we've talked about, what's kind of the strangest thing that you've seen, strangest experience? Okay. All right, here's a good one for you. So I was out Kangaroo Hunting in South Australia,

and we had shoot all night, and I didn't really like sleeping during the day because it was like

40 degrees. So anyway, I had a couple of beers, and I checked a couple of chocolate bars in my pocket,

and I wandered off to shoot cats because I hate cats. And I just find whenever I find cats, they normally sit on the rabbit worms, waiting for the rabbits to come out. But I followed these really big Tomcat footprints through the sand, and he'd gone up at a big gun tree. So I walked up underneath and I was having a look around and there's a big Tomcat. I weighed 13 kilos when I put it on the scales. It looked down and you know how cats just look at

you with after contempt. So I shot him and pulled straight out of the tree, and I was I walked over to it and standing over it and just, you know, I was a young fellow and I just spent beer on it with after contempt because I destroyed the bush in Australia. They kill everything. And you're going to

hear this, you're going to eat that butter, and I'm like, oh, just that jump out on the skin.

I'm in the middle of absolutely nowhere. We got to use about 5K as a way, but that's it. And yeah, I'll turn around there is this some Aboriginal standing there. He's got one janned a lawn or flip flop or whatever the Americans call him. He's in a pair of old 40 shorts and a singlet and he's got like a blanket with a string tied around him and he's standing there with a smoldering stick and I was just like, mate, where the hell do you come from? He's like a sleek under that

“tree, brother. And you're shit myself when you shot that cat there. Are you going to eat it?”

And I'm like, no, I'm absolutely not going to eat that cat, mate. So he he starts out of fire, he cooks the cat. Now, I give him a beer, which he was bloody happy about. And he started telling me all about black magic and all sorts of things and how white men have got it all wrong. And he said one thing that's really stuck with me is like, you know, white men have this idea that they can own the land. Look, then mountains over there. They've been there for millions of years.

They'll be there for millions of years after you've gone and yet a white man thinks he can own it. And then he's like, shhh, you hear that, brother? And I'm like, here, what? He's like, budgies. So he starts climbing up his tree and he's had one beer. So he's a bit dizzy from it. And he he makes a mess of it. But he manages to fish a handful of little budgetary guards out of it. And they're not in a tree. And he throws him straight in the fires and he's like, oh,

I made the delicious list of bush pop corn, bush pop corn, brother. So why some budgies out of the fire was an Aboriginal fella who explained to me that he can't own land. And a whole lot of Aboriginal concepts that were very close to my heart to this this day. And yeah, I would say that's up there for a random experience. But the coolest part was why he was there. He said he'd gone on a walk about a couple of years ago because he was in trouble. And he was in trouble with the

police in West Australia, which is thousands of kilometers away. And in his words he said, I'm in trouble because I've done gone speed of fella. So in a dispute he'd speeded someone and had been wondering through the outback for the last two years. And he was in the same clothes he left with. So yeah, I'll make some characters. Go to the thing that's up there. You know, Peter was muted out when you were telling that story. You know, it was busting up laughing.

I have a lot of friends who are in the military. And this is probably like two years ago I was at and they were working with the Aussies and asked him, you know, what what's the Aussie's like, what are they like to work with? And he said, you know, the Australians when the world dies, the Australians will survive. He's like, even with those people in the middle of nowhere with nothing and they'll survive. You know, through all your travels, I wanted to ask you,

“have you ever had anything paranormal like have you ever seen a ghost?”

Yeah, yeah, I have actually had a few. Honestly though, it's it's not what you know, I've expect. But I will tell you, because it's pretty funny. So in one of my many lives,

bucks that, you know, if you wrote five words with them, they were a good one. And basically I was

doing Dordidaw sales. I was around 20 at the time. I just chased a girl to New Zealand. I was still finding my feet. And I was doing the first job that I could find. So I'm going Dordidaw selling these pens. And yeah, you know, three bucks each two for five or four for ten bucks helps out the blind found outation selling so forth. And I'm in one of the more wealthy to do sort of suburbs. And a really, really lovely lady, you know, just a hot sock among types. You know,

ten bucks and a ten give it some pens, that sort of thing. And I go next door. And I'm not on the door. And no answer. And then knock on the door again. And I see an old lady with a walking frame across the hall. And oh, okay, everyone's at some of the time. And then the lovely soccer man from next door. She sticks ahead out. She's like, I don't don't worry about there. The old lady that lived there just died the other day. And what do you mean the old lady that died the other

day? And I was lady with like a walking frame and a little shower over a neck. And as soon as I said that, she just runs straight up, jumps off the porch, jumps over the fence, runs straight to the

“front door, looks down the car and says, oh, you saw her tomb. I'm like, okay, what do you mean?”

Yeah, she's been walking around ever since. Well, what if it's just one of her friends, it's come to pick some stuff up, or so on and so forth? She's like, no, that's it ghost. And so though, what do we do? She's like, oh, we could give her a call and we'll leave her a nice message on her phone. So we gave her a call and left a nice message on her answering machine. And yeah, that's my ghost story. Now again, like I said, it's not what you expect.

But 100% convinced, man, that was a ghost. 100%. Yeah, that's a crazy account P. I mean, when you saw her, obviously, she looked solid. It didn't look like it goes to you. Yeah, well, absolutely, but I didn't realize, but she walked across the corridor and it was like, no, does it? So yeah, I don't know what what it was, but if you're asking me, was that a ghost? Yes, that was a ghost. That's my ghost story. I am convinced that was a ghost.

Oh, and speaking of which about eight houses later, Lucy Lawless, I knocked on her door, she bought 20 bucks worth of pens for the blind foundation. So if you're listening to Lucy Lawless, good on you, thank you for that, appreciate it. You know, Zena, worry princess, that Lucy Lawless. Yeah, I know who Lucy Lawless is, that's really cool.

“Man, you've had a lot of experiences throughout your life. I think you've lived probably two”

lifetimes compared to a normal person. You know, the, one of the questions I want to ask you, you don't have to go into it if you don't want to. You had referenced this car accident that happened to you, and it kind of seems like that was a point in your life where everything changed. Do you mind talking about that? Yeah, no, I'm, I'm fine. It's something I've dealt with well, and truly, um, is what the coroner's report says, and then there's what I say after many, many, many

years of reflection. We were coming home from a weekend fishing and diving down on the Victorian coast. When an off duty police officer crashed head on into our car at 100 Ks an hour with his fiance in the car. He was killed. Um, my father was horrifically injured. My brother was horrifically injured. Um, my mum broke her neck and I walked out of it. Um, I walked out of it with a leg that was not possible to be walked on and a back that was torn up barely enough that I shouldn't have been able

to walk with that as well. Um, and my first thought was, uh, I needed to go and kill the person.

It's just destroyed in my family. Um, I then started uh, you know, couldn't smell petrol. I was looking for ignition sources and someone and so forth. Um, I just turned into a robot. I, I just went through the motions. Um, I made it halfway to the other car or what was left of it and I could see that that guy was dead and his fiance was not in a good way. And after a great deal of reflection and in particular reflection on the behavior of the the guys are brothers at the the car and

“is in quest. Um, I believe he actually committed suicide during a sort of an end of the relationship”

type argument. And, you know, it's, it's one of those things where it just, it happened at such an interesting junction in my life that, um, it really just flipped a switch in my head.

And I've never been the same since. Um, and yeah, I'm, you know, I've dealt with PTSD my entire

and again as a result of that one incident. But, um, that absolutely was the turning point in my life that, um, that turned me into this very difficult person to get along with that that has adventures that are, uh, unbelievable and, and very hard to understand from for a lot of people, but it was it was going through that that instant, um, where I, I just thought, you know, my whole life's been

destroyed and, um, yeah, I'll never be the same. So, but I'm happy I've got here, you know.

I'm so sorry you went through that peak at Burst Mara to hear that you went through that and on the other side of it, you know, it's who we become and I'm proud of you that you became, you know, because you could've easily become a monster and you chose not to and even though there's rough patches, uh, I admire the way you've turned out and I know it's getting late there and Germany, uh, I wanted to ask you, kind of alluded to it earlier. I asked everyone on the show

“what do you think Sasquatch is and you kind of brought up the Denis Ovens. Do you think that's what”

Sasquatch is? I think it's about as good as what I can do. It's as good as what I can. I mean,

Jaganta Petticus would be a really good candidate, but it's just too long out of the fossil record, but then again, is it? It's really, really hard to say and for me, it's got to be the most logical is the most likely. And 7 to 8% shared DNA with Denis Ovens in the popular region. We have three different distinct variations Denis Ovens. It could be, I'd look, I think DNA is going to answer this one, so for all and we're not there yet. I really don't know, but I absolutely didn't convince

that the little guys on the solomans are how my fluorescence or a cousin of how my fluorescence

“and I sadly, I truly believe that will be gone before we ever find them. I really do.”

I need to really research the Denis Ovens more than I have. I actually thought about doing a show on them and Pete, you've lived a life that most people won't live in three lifetimes and I've really enjoyed chatting with you. It's been a real honor to have you on the book again. I know you're not trying to sell books, but I'll promote it. Hometed Hunter, the search for the undescribed South Pacific hominids and I ordered a copy, I can't wait to read it. I hope people go out there

and order a copy of it. Pete's been a real honor having you on. Thank you so much for taking the time. Yeah, no worries, man. Oh, at any time you want to catch up, we can, um, we can tell hominids all night long, buddy. I'm very passionate about it. And I mean, we haven't even started on going to steps on Aboriginal methods and so on and so forth. So, yeah, you know how to get a hold of me. And if I'm ever over in the US again, um, I'll give you a message. We'll have

a look for some big foot together if you want me. Be keen as. Yeah, I'll have to have you back for

“sure. Thanks again, Pete. No worries, buddy. Anytime. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember”

if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out saskoachchronicles.com. You can be a member and you get additional shows. Until next time, everyone. [Music] [Music]

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