SC EP:1230 Chased out of our campsite

it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight

“up and led that shot to me and they don't make people that big.”

It was gliding across the beach and I never seen anything moves like that in my life.

They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chantling away back and forth back and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and then forth and forth and forth and forth and forth and forth.

Welcome to the show.

“Tonight we'll be speaking with Red and in August of 2023 he was camping with close friend”

of his in Steffen State Forest in South Central Iowa, not far from the Missouri border. He describes being run out of camp by multiple creatures and I'll kind of let Red go into it. You know I have encounters come out of Iowa, there are a lot more rare but they do happen in Iowa and so I'm looking forward to chatting with Red tonight.

If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected] and if you get a chance check out saskwatchchronicles.com you can be a member and get additional shows. Yeah and back in 2023 we're camping with a friend of yours there in Iowa kind of near the Missouri border.

If you would would you just start from the very beginning. Obviously guys we're camping but walk me into what happened. Yeah so it was August 17th to 2023 and I have a good friend that for years I've gone to Arrowhead hunting with. We live in a southeast corner of Iowa but we kind of travel not all over the state but

we travel the central part of the state, the northeastern part of the state and we hop around to a few other states in the Midwest.

We're always researching old here-of-eat papers and different publishings of different

stone material types, different megalithic sites that don't really exist are the anymore

“in the states I think sounds like only 5% of megalithic sites in North America are still”

existing, which is unfortunate in the whole other different conversation but anyway it kind of takes all over the state and in 2023 we had been looking for a specific type of chart called Exalochert and it's this beautiful shiny black chart and has these sort of bands of courts and Kels said and they're going through it. We found, I think an old archaeological review a few places where it occurred, one being in South Central Iowa and the other being in

northeast and Missouri, so my wife and kids always go to Iowa State Fair every summer

in the camp with my in-laws. I don't like going to state fairs I don't like being in

trip with this buddy in mine where we go and be the Crayrow heads, so that's what we are doing

“this particular week in August of 2023. I think we left it 2 or 3 p.m. that day just because”

we had other things going on in the morning and we as we made our way west to this state forest in South Central Iowa called Stevens State Forest which in your part of the country isn't hardly a forest at all. I don't remember the size of it it might be 15,000 acres something like that and Iowa is massive there's not that much forest left here. As we made our way west to Stevens State Forest we kept stopping in a particular river valley that's the Des Moines river

valley and we were artifact hunting on the way so we didn't get to Stevens State Forest which is

where we were camping this first night of this trip until I think we got into our campsite a little

“after 8 p.m. as we drove in there were no other cars that we saw on the forest and it was late so I”

kind of expected that but there are no other campers either there are several campsites in this forest and they were all empty. I was excited about it that I thought hey you know it's we got a campsite no matter what there's no one else here when we pulled in it was basically dusk you know it's twilight and I wouldn't call the forest in Stevens State Forest old growth mine means but there's there's some old growth and they're and the rest of it's pretty established and it's

really I don't know if you've heard the driftless area and the northeast part of the state and a few other subsequent states around but this little section of Iowa and South Central Iowa is almost like it's on driftless area I don't think there is ever any glaciation there it's beautiful there are tons of ravines everywhere it's really hilly and all the little creek and forest or sorry the creek and the river valleys have a bunch of forest around them we can do the

park a little after a campsite I left my car running with my lights on while my buddy and I set up our tents once I got the fire going I turned my car off and we only brought a few reams a firewood with us and so my buddy started looking around the campsite or some fallen limbs and things to use for firewood and the particular site we were at is a shaped calica scale in triangle and we were down in the bottom southeast corner of this campsite and it's probably

150 to 200 yards across so I started making my way from the southeast corner where a campsite was

“up to the northwest corner and I was checking all of the fire rings and the other sites I think”

there were I think there are 13 sites at the specific campground and as I was looking in the fire rings that I've been seeing you would I also notice there is grass growing in most of them so I don't think people camp at this place very often I made my way all the way up to the northwest corner of the campsite and I had this beautiful mag flashlight that's you know like I don't know how many thousand

the lumens it's incredible but I had sent it with my wife and kids since they were camping even though

you know they're at the state fair and there's no need for flashlights especially that powerful there but I sent most of the good camping stuff at them so I was using my phone flashlight and you know you just can't hardly see anything with them I'm making my way along to the to the northwest corner and when I got up there I heard probably about a mile a mile and a quarter away there's a really big pack of coyotes hunting and it sounded like they had they'd

got into something they were kind of yipping and howling a bit the kind of almost they do this cackle almost one day when they get something when they're really excited that sounded like they're quite a few of them so I wasn't paying terribly close attention to the sound of the coyotes because it didn't alarm me you know I wasn't worried about them but I heard three really loud noises off in the same direction and I would assume the same distance around a mile away I could tell

it was some sort of megafauna you know some big animal but I'd never heard whatever made the sound

of ran through the roll of decks in my head of what makes that noise and again it wasn't terribly

clear but it was enough to just puzzling in a sense but I made my way back down to our campsite you know empty handed and my buddy had found some wood in the tree line and he had the fire gone a little more and I asked him I said he you hear those coyotes and said yeah you heard him said did you hear that other noise that other call he said yeah I heard it and I said why you know

“what was it I I couldn't place it and he didn't know what it was either and I remember saying”

I know that we hunted elk out of the state in the nineteen it might have been 1918 1920 something the last elk sighted in the state so I didn't think it was an elk but I kind of said it was you know what was that an elk I don't know what else it could be and I don't think it was but he kind of shook his head and was puzzled too and that was kind of all the ones and we said about the fire for a while as we were sitting by the fire we're facing southeast so the entire campground is to our

back and we're about ten yards from the tree line and the tree line and Steven State Forest

“is just man is thick it's the brushes and incredibly thick out there and on this particular night”

on August 17th there was no moon out so it was really dark probably 20 minutes I would guess 30 minutes you know after I'd sat down and we're sitting by the fire my buddy was an eating but I have to be I was eating a broad worst I don't know if that has anything to do with what happened but or the story I guess we heard this noise behind us and I am pretty sure it was from the tree line at the northwest I know it came from the northwest corner of the camp of the campground but it sounded

like it was just at exactly at that tree line and it was it sounded like a howler monkey

“the size of a mini van or a refrigerator I mean this thing it looped made this noise that kind”

of went down and then came up and it was so alarmingly loud that I jumped out of my skin you know I jumped and moved in the the cancher I had and I about fell over and my buddy jumped to and

all the hair on my body just stood up on end in a such a strange way it was I had never heard

that noise before but it immediately just scared the hell out of me and I looked at my buddy with you know the widest eyes I imagine and I said what the hell was and again I kind of went through the role with X in my head of sounds that I know and you know I'm down every large animal ran through my head and I could place it you know and that when that happens it's a moment everything you know I'm thinking of 30 things in against him and immediately after I asked my friend

this you know what the hell was that he was looking at me back with you know these massive eyes care as I wasn't he said you know what that is and my friend and I have you know we're out in the woods all the time all the time work camp and all the time I've up until that experience I was out here with hunting I like hunting geodes and things too I'm mushroom hunt I'm a fish I used to hunt I don't hunt that much anymore are they all over the last few years really but but we've talked

about big foot Sasquatch on I kind of hate those names you know there aren't really good names for living whatever these things are but we've talked about it and I've been a listener of your show for years too so it's not like if this was a new thing to that wasn't aware of

but I just never heard that noise out in the real world I've heard recordings and

but so as soon as he said you know what that was it clicked in my head exactly what it was and as soon

initial loop also but as soon as I clicked in my head about maybe a hundred fifty to two hundred

feet often forced in front of us kind of diagonally to the right I heard six and knocks and they scared the hell out of me too this something hit a tree so

“if that's how they make that noise I don't know something something made that knocking was six times”

in three series of two it went knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock so my friend and I are you know kind of frankly whispering each other what's going on you know are we surrounded by is this big foot are we surrounded by big foot right now I don't know we we just

kind of were in shock and panic mode and you know the so dark we were just in the middle of nowhere

and as we're kind of whispering to each other and not making any sense of this we hear another noise down probably 70 yards or so the left of us diagonally in the forest from our vantage point we can see with just barely into the forest because it's so dark you know at the fire is not

“sent in hardly in the any light into the forest and our phone flashlights aren't doing anything”

because at this point we've pulled our phone flashlights out we're shining behind us into the campground we don't see anything we're shining into the forest front of us and we don't see anything but there's a there's a ravine that kind of rips down into a pretty big goal and it's just pitch black down there but from from down in that ravine or that goal we start hearing something walking up the ravine and as it's walking it's breaking branches

and I've heard deer walking the forest plenty and you actually don't usually hear them walking the forest you don't hear them sometimes but a lot of times you'll see deer and you don't even hear them but when you do they're not breaking branches you know you hear them rushing over the use this thing I would assume intentionally breaking branches every step at took and it wasn't it wasn't running for us it wasn't you know bulldozing through the forest or anything like that

it just was taking slow sure steps and every time they would just snap break branches that lasted for realistically probably five seconds six seven seconds and we're kind of you know my buddy and I I don't even remember the things you were talking about I remember saying you know we can't say here tonight we we had those of the tents set up and everything but we said we can't stay here tonight we agreed on it but that's saying we should leave you know

“we agreed on that but we stayed I think it the reason we stayed is there was such an anxiety you know”

it's not like some we hadn't seen some terrifying thing at this point and we hadn't had some terrible aggression given over to us but there was some I don't know inexplicable primal fear that I just immediately activated in us the least in me you know I don't want to speak for my buddy but

I would assume in his wealth from the second we heard that initial call and during the

entire experience time is I think our drown was just so spike to that it's hard to say you know 10 minutes past 20 minutes past I don't I don't I don't know how much time has turned all this but at some point of the noise of movement of knocking on nothing else happened for a while but the force was just silent you know we're sitting there in our camping chairs with our fire in front of us in our phone flashlights we're looking all around us constantly and was for each other I don't know what but probably

we're just saying over and over again hey we should leave hey we should leave maybe 30 minutes past is of that 45 minutes there was a tree that I hadn't seen it in the daylight so I thought it was a maybe a cottonwood but I've since gone back to this to this place it took me a couple years but I went back and there's a big oak tree that was behind us diagonally to the left

from that oak tree all the sudden we heard and this oak tree I should say was about 50 feet behind us we heard this this loop again this time we we heard four vocalizations in a row coming from

“what I believe the day a single creature and I think it was the initial creature that looped”

behind us initially but so we hear another loop so loud and we're over so

on edge that it's scared us even more than the first time so since we hear that loop we both

jumped out our out of our chairs and turned around and this all happened really in slow motion it's hard to explain because from the time you know we jumped up and turned around and shown our flashlights at this thing had have only been seconds but I it played out in my mind in the moment and it still does as though it were the 30 seconds 40 seconds but there's no there's

“no way that's that's how it happened so we heard this initial loop and in the same breath”

it then you know I've heard the Sierra sounds so many times I think they're incredible

the samurai chatter people talk about this thing did that you know it spoke in a sense but it it was so garble and it was such a it sounded like the Tasmanian devil from Lony Tunes you know just just unbelievably quick is spitting out this ferocious it's hard to say you know it's speech or language but it seems to be just that and again in the same breath it then went down to this the the yeah sound like a

mountain lion yeah but again something that's just six or seven times the size of a big mountain lion just the deepest just deep oh I don't know I just thought like hatred you know just deep anger and during that sound we were just about turned to see this thing and I have I have a connotation in my head I can't explain why I talked to my friend about this he had he had the same feeling it felt very feminine or I shouldn't say feminine it felt like a female I don't I can't explain why

but it's so I'll say when as we were turning around to see her as she made that noise I had enough time in my head or I these thoughts came to me so quickly

“I remember thinking you're almost having a a dialogue with myself saying do you really want”

to turn around see this thing is I would say most of me didn't want to you know I didn't in the sound of that yeah all the intense anger or hatred I don't know how long I had to stop but I thought I was going to do this thing just sounded horrifying and I had this incredible

sensation in my organs that I'd never had before and I never had since it felt like every single

organ in my torso it pulled down into my pelvis I don't know how to explain it in that but it felt like literally every organ inside and you just pull down into my pelvis and I had just such a gut fear of some intending doom we at that that when we had turned fully around to about where this oak tree was where we assumed the sounds these sounds were coming from you know the flashlights were coming up and it's it's strange to describe it that way is again it's must have

happened it was in a matter of seconds but just seemed like so long this thing then admitted one last sound and it was to be honest the sound in my mind is not very clear the other three sounds are very clear but this last sound it wasn't a loop but it was just some loud last noise I don't

and all of these noises happened in one breath which is again incredible everything about these

“things is just incredible amazing terrifying at times you know but I had the long capacity to do”

that it was just I didn't think about it at the time but looking back it just blows my mind I don't understand how it would you know living creature can there was just so much noise coming out of it and I didn't hear any reprieve to take a breath so we shine our flashlights exactly where this thing seems to be and there's nothing there it's just just black or there's nothing over there and so this is kind of it's kind of broken us from this spell of fear you know it's

I'm kind of able at this point to say hey it's time to go and my friend agrees you know and but he starts breaking down his tent and I can't lie I was so mad like I can't I should have didn't but I said what are you doing you know we got to get out of here man I these things don't want to see or we got to get out of here and just the confusion of nothing being there when we looked exactly in the area where we heard these noises

I just said it's time to go man he's had this little tent he camps with for years and he

“paid and I think it was a lot of money for me he does rag bribe which is you know that bike he”

crossed the state he always takes on rag bribe with him and I don't know he loves the tent I guess

he wouldn't leave it and he was saying oh I'm not leaving this tent I'm taking it with me it's a pop-up tent so you know collapsed quickly and but I'm yelling at him the whole time you know cursing at him and he goes to break down my tent then I said dude I'm you know screw that tent we're not taking it I don't care he starts breaking it down and I took out my knife and I cut the the tent poles you know the cord that keeps the tent poles together and just say I don't care

about this thing I leave it but he keeps messing with it and as he's doing that I was looking over

“at that tree again I'll show him my flashlight around everywhere we were here and”

he's moving in the woods again for most two areas where we heard the tree knocks and that thing moving down the ravine. Don't shine on my flashlight around trying to see if I can see any things and I'm not seeing anything but I notice that by that big oak tree you know 50 feet or so away where we thought that sound came from there's this huge huge stump next to it huge it's like on your note to compare it to but it's it's massive and it was so black it was blackerman

anything else I could see in the forest past it or around it I even in the moment thought it looks like that color you know the colors van to black that some people will paint expensive colors or I've seen other cycles painted in this color such a deep black that it doesn't reflect any light and just it looks it looks very strange it's almost like a what a play of trick to the eye this stump was that black it was just soaking in all the light of my flashlight and so I looked at it

for I don't know oh I held my flashlight on it for long even anything else again probably like three seconds four seconds and I had kind of noticed my body and I said what is that look at

this stump I've never seen something as black and as I was saying this to him this thing I realized

was outline of something crouching holding his legs all of a sudden it extended its hands and just dove hands first into the forest just right by the tree line I'm not ashamed to say it I I yelped like a a little puppy or something I must assign like and just it's here the hell out of me the way the thing moved was unbelievable it was so long it's what I imagine you know

crouch down and then to lunge forward like that and how long his arms would be jumping forward his torso and his legs there but the scene it's like this thing just went on forever it was so long

I've never seen something move with that agility I've never seen an Olympic athlete move with

that agility I've never seen a big captain of you know in a documentary series hunt with that agility I've never seen something move like that it was so fast and agile it reminded me of how

“the only thing I can think of is when a little bird is moving and then moving its head around”

or kind of jumping around almost mechanical it's so fast this move like that you know and I only saw leap into the forest I didn't see it move around besides that but it just I've never seen something move like that but the thing that still isn't credible to me is I didn't hear it land and they'd no noise seems so agile and they just these things are they would make navy seals look like fools and forest these things you know the forest you know how to move better than anything

they're unbelievable that was kind of enough for me you know just seeing it I've known every

thing was real as it was happening but you're seeing it even for that quick second I just took

everything and just threw it in the back of the vehicle and we drove out incredibly quickly and

“we were I think two and a half or three hours west of where I lived at the time we left”

it was just after 10 o'clock at night when we left so we were there two hours I had such an adrenaline rush and I was so kind of outside of myself from the experience that we just drove around circles for an hour I didn't know what to do and I wasn't gonna camp somewhere else I didn't have the wear with all just because I was so filled with adrenaline and confused I didn't have the wear with all the stuff in a motel or something so we just drove home to my place and I had so much

adrenaline that I didn't have the adrenaline done or the I didn't crash from it until I was probably 10 miles west in my house I'm trying to remember if it was maybe between one and two in the morning when we got there I don't recall but I can't remember seeing an exit for my place the town where I lived and as soon as I saw that exit sign on the interstate I just got so

unbelievably tired because it was like everything just all these adrenaline finally left my body

but it was for hours I was just wired from the experience and for a really long time it getting out of the woods I wouldn't go back in the woods for a long time yeah who could blame me after a night like that I would have got up and left you I felt away from you was that one that you actually saw it had to have been I bet it was by the time we had turned and looked you know that that tree was I would say 50 feet

from us and again I was in construction for years and years here some I'm good with measurements by the time we'd moved around a little bit around the campsite as this was you know we'd as we'd stood up and this thing was on the side of the tree on our side so I bet I was within 35 to 40 feet of this thing what do you think the intention was I know you know in the moment you think you're your dead man and I would have thought the same thing but now after some time

it's gone by and you've had a chance to kind of reflect on it what do you think their intention was yeah I thought about it a lot you know I don't think that my life was in danger

“you know for years and in the future looking back I think it could have been if I would have stayed”

in that kind of heated the warning signs I don't think while I'll say this one of the things I said that my buddy when we drove away and I said my god they're here and he's there everywhere because

is the kind of the biggest metropolitan area in Iowa it's again Iowa doesn't have a massive population

but it's not that far from a pretty big city for Iowa at least and so I just said you know if

“they're here everywhere man everywhere and I think that that you know I said earlier to you”

there's not much force left in Iowa it really only exists where in the early 20th century a few people in ecology and biology said we you know these forests are about God we got to make some state forests happen we got to make some preserves happen and it's just along the rivers where people can't till and they can't farm and sadly that's the still past stronghold the last bastion of the Iowa forest and so I don't think these things have a lot of home Iowa and I think they

probably were thinking man get out of here you know this is our place and it probably chase people out of their all the time because it's a beautiful forest and for there to be grass grown up on those fireings was I thought it was crazy you know how could I could there not be people camp in there but I

“soon these things chase people out of there and maybe not all the time but I think the intention was”

they didn't have a ton of time to be able to watch us during the day and get a feel for who we were and what we were because I assume anywhere that these things are living they probably have

an incredible handle on what comes around and into their vicinity because these things

don't want to be found they don't want to be seen they have watched us from afar for who knows how long I would soon they've been here as long as we have made it longer I don't know yeah I don't know but I assume they've seen you know what we've done to the other home and it's that existed they've probably seen what we do to each other see what we do to the forest see what we do to every other animal they've said you know if we want to stick around kind of have to hide

from these human things because they sure like to kill and they've become absolutely perfect at

hiding for them to be as big as they are and to deal them move silently to just basically be

shadows ghosts they're perfect at it they're so good at it at most people around the world don't know they exist and don't believe they exist that is a feat that is that's wild so you're kind of thinking it's more of a display that it was doing like get out of here we don't want you here yeah I think we were in their territory or in their house or whatever you you'd call it and I think if we would have gotten there earlier we would have gotten there you

know that even with some light out and they would have heard us and they could watch us for some

“they might have said these guys from the only thing you know they're just they're not threat”

who knows maybe they wouldn't have done that way at all but I think there at least was because we showed up late I end my buddy and I warn my listening to music we weren't even in horror and it's you know we're quite in respectful so I think they would chase anybody out of there and you know fortunately we did listen to the the signs and a sense you know to to get out and we got out because I would assume most people would leave but who knows I've sort of thought to

other people might have been in the situation they might have been drinking or something or they didn't have their wits at them and I don't know if they would have stayed who knows what would have and I don't looking back think that my life was in danger because if these things wanted to be seen they would have come right out and you know done everything to scare us out of there and they did everything they could not be seen yeah I think if they wanted you dead you would have

been dead yeah but it's still terrifying I mean it still will have scared me I know in your email you talked about things happening around your home tell me about that so we moved about 40 minutes west of where we had lived my wife and three kids we lived for about nine years again we're in the

south and they were pretty small town but now we've moved into the country and we have a couple acres and we're right on a river in a small river valley and he followed the river west there's a really beautiful big land preserve and there's there's a decent amount of forest along the river there's so much agricultural you know just aliens of tillable fields around here though that

I didn't imagine I would be experiencing them here and within the first and month I had trouble

sleeping sometimes I kind of added my whole life some some months I'll be able to sleep perfectly and some months such a quite a dead end this first month we moved in to this place I wasn't sleeping

“very well so I think probably after midnight one night I'd gone outside to the north end of our house”

which overlooks the river and our garden is on that in the house and we have a tree line that comes up within 50 feet of the house and off to the north as far away ahead of minute mile and half away

I heard the sort of I don't know what to tell till Ohio how I'd never heard that in my life

but never heard that out you know I'd either recordings of it but never heard that out in the world and as far as far away but it was incredible it was it lasted for so long and I could tell that it was obviously an organic thing making it sound again it just shows the the lung capacity of these things and it just it just doesn't stop it you know just went on and on and it sounds like I heard people say this but sounds like an air raid you know or some kind of terrible alarm

it didn't startle me and it didn't scare me it was far off and I just thought oh you know I guess they are everywhere they're here too and that was kind of that with that experience

“but I that same summer it would have been I think a year to the week at least of my”

experience and Steven's state forest my wife and kids were at the state fair again and this is a camping I just stayed at my place but I had an old friend come visit me he lives about an hour away and he drove up spent a day here at night we were sitting around a fire on the north end of my house and this is I don't know what this is and I experience this out here every once in a while but it's it's I don't know it's something strange it's so

he was leaving a little after 11 o'clock at night and then we walked around to the south and in my place where my lane is where he was parked so we're sitting at the top of my lane just south of my

“house and there's a cemetery really close to my place it's an old county cemetery I think it”

actually sits on top of an old burial mound I found several contemporary in a sense contemporary cemeteries that are actually located on top of indigenous burial mounds like I think the reason that is I think when settlers were looking to put their dead somewhere at some point they would dig into these burial mounds back then by accident and they would say oh this is their dead people here this is or their bodies here this is where we should put our dead and it

just becomes a recycled cemetery basically but the cemetery next to us you know it's you can

throw a baseball and get there it's what truly within a stone's throw the real mounted conical shape that sits on the highest point above the river just like a mound would be so off toward that cemetery which is to the west of us we started hearing three or four sound like something doing impression doing an impression of owls and it only lasted ten seconds maybe and then the sound changed and sound like something doing an impression of coyotes and as these three or four things

were sounding off the hills all to the west and the northwest for a mile just started sounding off

and they all sounded and I've heard coyotes in my entire life I grew up right on the Mississippi river

“I was out in the country always I've heard coyotes on 35 and I've heard them for 35 years you know”

I know a coyote sound like and I know they can make really weird noises and they have a pretty broad array of the vocalizations they do this sounded so strange and there probably two dozen of these things calling my buddy is also he's heard who knows how many coyotes in his life so we're standing there and the dark in my drive looking at each other is bewildered and whiny he goes

what the hell is that I said I don't know I've never heard that before because I had never heard

it out of here and they sounded off like that for almost a minute and then they kind of died down and then the noise changed again and it sounded like I couldn't even tell you but it sounded

“like I don't know something doing an impression of something I don't know it was like a”

worsen pressure of a coyote almost but it wasn't I don't even know how to explain it and my friend kind of laughing he said I'm sorry man but I I'm leaving you know because he's in playing and to leave anyway and nothing happened that night after that the thank god but it was just strange you know one other strange thing out here and maybe two months after that my son who was seven at the time he was just about to turn eight I'm a painter and we moved into this house there's a machine

shed I'm sitting in it right now there's a machine shed a hundred feet off the house and I just turn it into a painting studio I've sitting in this painting studio with a buddy of mine who was over

“he'd come over for dinner and after dinner he and I came out here and we were just talking”

at probably kind of clock at night he left and I went in the house and my wife was in my son's bedroom with them and my son was crying crying really upset I walked in I said hey what's what's the matter because he doesn't because he just stayed up that late and you know he's been there crying my wife kind of kind of said you know I'll tell you later and I just sat with him for a while and asked you he was okay and he just seems so scared but he didn't want to talk about it so after we

we got him calm down and asleep my wife told me that he had come out to the painting studio which is on the south end of our house and there's you know the forest comes right up to the back of it and it was probably at eight o'clock he'd come out probably to say good night to me or something but he'd stop short because to the left of the painting studio in the tree line he saw he described as a coyote man he said it was this really big hairy man

big he said and he just kept describing as a coyote man and it scared the hell out of him he ran inside and it was in tears and absolutely just dreadfully afraid earth who knows hour and a half two hours until he got to sleep and I don't know what to make of that you know I because I don't sit here and my kids know about big foot but I don't I didn't actually tell them that I had the experience that I had or the experiences I've had before until they they would hear

people ask me about it and finally you know my kids go like I know we know you experience big

so we know you saw all on you know tell us about it and I still haven't really told them about my full experience but I don't I don't know that it's not really in their in their wheelhouse and their in their lives really where they're hearing about or seeing big foot things so I don't know where he would have gotten the coyote man thing you know it's and our kids have incredible imaginations and it could be chalked up to that but I've had a lot of my sons I hadn't seen them

upset like that before but something that had scared him so it just I don't know what to make of it I don't I don't know what it was because I didn't experience it but it sounded like he saw a coyote man yeah that's pretty specific that he brought up the coyote man it almost sounds like he's talking

about dog man yeah that's I hope to God that's not the case because I've I've never had

just horrendous you know I've heard big foot experiences that mine really wasn't all that bad

“who's terrifying in the moment but looking back I'm very fortunate that I didn't have that”

bad of an experience with them when I hear people's experiences with dog man it sounds pretty horrendous across the board with strangers that into that fall even out of the late summer

into that fall we had weird things happening always by my painting studio and maybe you know

little to the east along the tree line too but it was always in this one area over here and on this part of the property where at night there would be something baying from the forest it almost sounded like a tuned dog baying wanted to get out and hunt in how they wind just that real like please take me out it wasn't that those it I I don't know what it was but every couple weeks there would be something just in the woods in the dead a night just baying

kind of whining but more than whining crying almost from the forest and it was unsettling you know it would sometimes it be when I would come home from work or my wife would come home from work or it would just be I'd go out at night just to go look at the stars or be outside and for no a pair of reasons there would just be something crying in the forest and it happened probably half a dozen times that we experienced it and I would sit there and shine flashlights in the forest

and I never saw anything and then it just stopped I've never we'd never had that happen again

I don't I don't know what that was but it's all around that same time yeah I appreciate sharing that you'll have to keep me up to date let me know if anything else

“happens out there I think I was specifically most of time they're just kind of passing through”

I knew find them near waterways and you know very limited forest but I've had accounts come out of there for sure let me ask you what do you think Seth watches what's your take you know I've had different I think about it all the time I've come up with who knows how many

theories I'm not sure every one of them's wrong I think these things probably some kind of

something in the home of line you know there have been homo erectus homo Neanderthals you know dinosaur and some sapiens homo idol brigances I will be able to have been so many different hominids we answer to morphize every one of them not just in that we make them man like we make them as human as possible in our minds and in our depictions and we have no idea what these things are like we find our stone tools with Neanderthals we find some of there are

and some of their their flutes they're you know they're we just don't know what they were like but I really think that these things probably some sort of something in the home of line and one of the things that really leads me to that is not just that there's human like in their appearance to a degree but I do think that they do have psychic occurrence and I think every human has that too I don't just mean and being able to speak to someone in your mind or something like that

I think some people can do that. Every single human that's walking around today has psychic

“experience and they don't realize that that's what it is because it's such a normative thing in our”

lives and I'm talking about creativity if you can conceive of something before it exists and you can create it in your mind and then you can pull it into the real world and you can create it that is a psychic occurrence you're creating something in your mind and then they did not exist before and it's so prevalent and people so many people have every person that's creativity not every person uses it but it's not seen as a psychic occurrence because it's in our everyday lives

I do not think that Sasquatra, whatever we want to call these things, have creativity I think their minds developed in a different way in a different fashion they use whatever portion of their

using you know so many people talk about seeing these things is cloak and turn invisible on the forest and

I don't know that they're truly turning invisible but maybe they're using some sort of psychic occurrence in their mind maybe they're using in for sound in a way that is making it so we're

“perceiving them disappear I don't know I think these things are extremely intelligent”

I do think they're more human than animal yeah but sometimes I don't know maybe it's some sort of

spiritual being that we don't have I don't know maybe it's it's something like that you know

that just comes and goes from this reality I'm not sure yeah I appreciate your your answer kind of your well thought-out answer and I would love an explanation for some of the weird stuff that does get reported it really does make you wonder and the night that you guys were out there

“camping I mean it would have startled me I would have got up and left as well I think you”

guys did the right thing and I'm kind of curious on what happens in the future on your property you

have to keep me up to date but I really enjoyed having you on red thanks so much for taking the time yeah absolutely I'd again I've listened for years west you know I hear people say it sometimes but I don't think enough people do thank you man thank you for giving so many people a platform to talk about their experiences to share what they've done what they've seen what they've heard and just to hear fascinating weird weird things that happened on the floor somehow I appreciate you

I appreciate that thank you red that means a lot to me and thank you again for coming on and that's it for tonight everyone remember if you've had an encounter shoot me an email my email address is west at saskwatch Chronicles.com and if you get a chance check out saskwatch Chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows until next time at one

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