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it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that that shocked me. They don't make people that big.

“The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach.”

I've never seen anything moves like that in my life.

They were screaming at each other in gibberish, it sounded like a language and they were shunting away, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet, but what I saw was bears. And I've been wondering what you're putting in, it's a bloody out here and what's going out there and sort of a vest is about six foot nine, I don't know, easy about there.

Yes, I'm looking right here, oh. My name is Atlas and you're listening to the best podcast ever, Sasquatch Cron Coast. Woo! Welcome to the show.

“Tonight we will be speaking with John who comes to us from Nova Scotia, back in 1994 when”

John was just 14, he was writing his 70cc motorcycle through the woods when he encountered this mysterious creature and a lot of John's details I've heard in a handful of encounters, but it was around this time, John experienced another strange incident and I can't help but wonder if the two might be connected. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.

My email address is [email protected] and if you get a chance to check out saskwatchcronacles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight, I want to welcome John to the show, John thanks for coming on. Are you very much west?

Yeah, I appreciate it, John, and I know you're out there in Nova Scotia, gosh, I've

always wanted to see that place, I know it's kind of known for its storms and just being

cold, but I still would love to visit. What are the summers like out there? Fummers are actually really nice, I find if you can show up in Nova Scotia from May to about Nova member, it's really pleasant after that, yeah, it's going to be a hurdy winter for you, that's for sure, and where I live in Nova Scotia, it's Cape Bretton, so if you're

a Cape Bretton or you consider yourself separate from Nova Scotia, even though politically we're the same place, but if you ask somebody from Cape Bretton where they're from, they'll quickly tell you, "Oh, I'm from Cape Bretton, so anyway, if you just a little joke for months, there's local beer, but yes, sir." Yeah, I'll have to get out there someday.

Nova Scotia always looks kind of wild and harsh, but in the same breath, very beautiful, I'll

definitely have to make it out there someday. Tell me back in 1994, you were out there in Nova Scotia, you were about 14.

“Take me back, what were you doing, and what happened?”

Yeah, sure, I was on Summer Break, just a regular student, and I was just more or less bored, and there was a path down the street from my house just about, I don't know, maybe half a mile down, and I'd never explored it before, and it was directly off the main road, it was a dirt road, and it was mainly used, well, here we call it the pole line, so it was with the, you know, telecommunications and the power company used to access their

pole lines. So I might have been July or August of '94, I remember the day specifically, the sun was

coast ship, but that was one of those days, gorgeous day, realm mid, you know, noon, so the sun was back in the day, and anyways, yeah, I drove my little scooter down this little path, or I should explain it a little better, it's a really rough road, you need like an ATV or a side-by-side or something like that, and all the pole commission has almost looks like a track vehicle to go, so why that's kind of a hole to relevant to is that

the motorcycle that I was on was a Honda C70, it was a little street bike, a lonely skin tires, really thin, wasn't made for off-roading, but, you know, it was a 14-year-old kid,

I made a couple places, the Honda never designed it to go, so that was one of those days,

so I drove the motorcycle into the woods, down this path rather, no 500 feet or so, and it was just really rough for that little bike, it's dives, moguls, the little bike was just outnumbered, and so was I, so I got to a point where I couldn't go any further, there was like a kind of a large hill, and some other obstacles, and I said, you know, I'm going to completely tear this bike apart if I keep going, so I just stopped for a second, and

I was sitting there, and I said, I'll take my helmet off for a second, and just enjoy the moment to just kind of, you know, take a break, and took my helmet off, shut the little bike off, and I was looking around, I was sitting there for maybe, I don't know, let's say 20 seconds or so, and all of a sudden, something changed with, I guess, the atmosphere is, I don't know, like I'd say that my email, like somebody put a protection over me, or

everything went quiet, the highway sounds kind of disappeared, no sounds of any birds and or, you know, insects, nothing, just a deafening quiet, if that makes sense, and after

a little bit of that, that really just kind of didn't freak me out, but I was like I'd never

experienced anything like that before, and I just happened to turn around and look down the path of where I had come from, and to the right of the path, what I saw, staring back at me, it looked like an African lion only, with a, you know, significant size name around its head, and not as big as one, maybe, you know, 70% of the size of a full-grown lion,

“I would assume, and its face was different, it had, most, the biggest thing I remember”

was the eyes were solar, black, and big, like a little bit bigger than, you know, what you would actually see a real lion, I mean, I've seen one at the zoo one time, and on TV,

this was disproportionate, we big these eyes, like really big black eyes, and it's face

didn't have, like, I guess, like a muzzle, it was kind of like, it was a very flat face, and once again, I remember seeing the main just kind of blowing in the wind a little bit, you know, and I couldn't see the whole rear of the body, because he was behind some shrubs or what, but I'll tell you, it wasn't, it wasn't natural, whatever I had seen. At that time, I was a paper boy for years, I had everything come at me during that paper

roof, doblement pensures, German shepherds, all the big German dogs, everything from

“poodles to the collies, dogs that look like last season, I think I was almost a dog expert”

at that age when you're a paper boy, you know, you've seen dogs, my eyesight's still really good back then, you know, 20, 20, 20, 10 with both eyes, and what I was looking at was not a dog, absolutely, I was terrified, just gave me a feeling in my stomach, like you were in real primal severe danger here, it was no joke, I've come face to face with, once again, German shepherds, donblemans, you know, coming around the corner of a house and confronting

one, and have that fear, this was something totally different, it shook me to my core, I don't, just me standing there, my brain was trying to tell me, like, you know, what are you looking at, the distance to, I'm kind of terrible with, you know, given feet or meters or however you like, if I had to give you a guess, I'd say if you, you know, school buses, six and a half school buses long, if you were to, you know, line those up

“and look down that, it would be about that distance there, and I don't remember it making”

it growl or anything like that, but it just had an intense predator stare at me, like I was the most insignificant thing in this world, and I knew I was, I was in trouble, and the problem that I say, too, was that there was nowhere for me to go, my bike, like I said,

this thing, I was trapped, so I, the first, I like to think of doing, was start up my little

“70cc motorcycle with a big quiet exhaust on it, and rev the hell out of a little motor,”

hope in that I would scare this thing off, and it just kept its glaze like, or glare at me rather, like I was dinner, I just, my heart was pounding, I was sweating, I just, don't know what this thing is, other than to say, you know, years later I saw something on TV, and somebody explained that there was different types of dog men, and one of them in particular had, like, has like a name, and I kind of got a little chest pain, I went,

wow, that's not exact, but that's close to what I had seen, so bringing you back to that situation again, so there I am, so this whole standoff might have lasted, I'll give it about 20 seconds of some real significant intensity anyways on my end, and then this thing without even skipping a beat, just kept its glaze, kept its fire at me rather, and just slowly back into the woods, like in a real kind of a, just an eerie way, I've never seen a dog

became like that before, and then as I'm sitting there, a new fear come over, I knew I had to get the hell out of there because I thought to myself, if this thing circles around in the woods, I'm sitting duck, and I'm so far from the road, I'm dead, and once again,

I've confronted, you know, big German dogs, some powerful animals, never had a fear like

this, not even close, so the only option I had, and I made at that point, get on my bike, make my way as fast as that little 70 cc Honda could take me, I took my guts out from the bumps, and while that's all air, and anyways, and when I passed the point, I did glance over, I didn't see a thing, and I come up onto the road, and, you know, the laws here, and those ghosts too, you're not allowed operate an off-highway vehicle, you know, well,

“that's what it was, 'cause it wasn't licensed, and I was 14, I've never driver's license,”

I didn't give to hoots, I get onto that highway, center line to that road, and when it was fast as I could, what that little motor cycle, just praying to God that that thing wouldn't chase me back to the house, yeah, so that's the, the readers' life, just for reason of what happened yesterday, yeah, that would scare me, you're probably thinking that bike wasn't fast enough, when you got home, did you tell your parents or anything

about what you'd seen? I did, I absolutely did, I came in the house, and I told a couple of people that actually some friends and family and whatnot, but I think the story was so out there that you can't get much credibility, and especially being 14, you know, like a couple people tell me, oh, you, you've seen a dog, and you've seen this, well, no, I was absolutely certain it was no dog, and not at all, that would be like, you know,

seeing an elephant and saying, well, you've seen a lamp, like it was just totally, the animals was totally different, and as I maybe had mentioned in my email before, two years later, maybe both seven years later, so I had made a friend that was in the area of that sighting, and just in passing, we were driving along one knife, and I pointed the area when we passed by, and I said, you know, I said, years ago, when I was a young fellow

on my trail bike, I said, I see, and I described the event that I've just explained to you,

“well, he looked at me kind of white as a ghost, and he said, you have to tell my father”

best, you have to tell him best, so I was like, okay, I kind of felt good, I was like, okay, like, well, you know, somebody's paying attention to the story, and it might have been two days later, I actually met his father in the garage, and my friend, my friend Scott came up to me and said, tell, tell dad, tell him your story, tell him, so I once again repeated the story, and my friend's father's sitting there and he's smoking a cigarette,

and he just stands up, and he said, John, I seem the same thing, and in their back yard, they had a fleet of old cars for parts, there was a lot of antique cars and whatnot, and he had explained to me, he said, I went up there one evening, he said, don't look and for a part of an old disorder, whatever type car that is, but I remember him saying that name, and he said, standing in the wood line, or not to the other pole, he didn't

say standing, it was on a force, he said was something that matched what you said, he said, I thought it was Jews, my friends, the goddamn devil, he said, he said, I just turned back and got the hell out of there, and he said, you know, my heart pounding and whatnot,

but, and I've never heard any other stories from anybody local that's in that area, you

know, that, like willingly anyways, that described the same thing, but yeah, it was really creepy, and about 32 years ago from today, and it's burned into my mind, I can absolutely

many people, John, I've heard people describe a canine cryptid, you know, like dogman,

and they'll say it had an African line's mane, and then I've had other witnesses, were they're describing that mane, but I'm kind of convinced they ran into some weird feline that wasn't natural, it doesn't come up all the time, but it does come up, you know your buddy's dad saying, I thought I just ran into the devil, you kind of made the same comment in your email, you said, it was like pure evil, what was it about it that

made you think that I guess it was more, more of a feeling, once again, like I say, I've come around the corner of homes at that age, and come face-to-face, quite literally one

point, like two doblement pictures, and that's not evil, you're just in real immediate

danger, your heart's pounding, oh, I'm in trouble, this feeling here when I'd seen this thing, it was just so eerie, and to come to, you know, with it was the dead silence of everything around me, and it was, it was the look, it was the intense stare, that just, that gaze, that was just not right from me, and it was just extremely intimidating, that

“was the thing about it, I think that kind of makes me describe as something that would”

be evil, like I've had once again, I gotta compare it again, some vicious dogs that I've met, and they'll break their glare, they'll look away, they'll smell the ground, they'll do something, like, you know, but this was just an intense glare of I own you right now, you know, is what it felt like, so it was more of a feeling, and the fact that the face was just so, you know, I wouldn't call it, you know, hideous or anything like that, but

it was just so at a place that I, my mind was going through a roll of decks of certain animals, that this may, maybe, and none of that was, was jumping to the forefront, it was just, just so bizarre, right, but mainly, like I say, that feeling of you're in a different type of trouble here, yeah, did this same remain on all fours the whole time?

Yeah, it did stay on all fours, and when I first seen it, like I say, I turned around and

there was, right, so it wasn't like I was looking at a commit, it was, it had the jump on me, it was, it knew I was there before I seen it, and absolutely bigger than a normal dog, the biggest ones for live scene, you know, are like king shepherds or so, and probably twice the size of that, like that was the other thing, the intimidation factor of that this thing could, could do some damage because of its size, but I wouldn't put it as big

as an African lion, like, you know, my only experience with seeing one of those was my,

“my trip to Disney World, New Orlando, Florida, and maybe I think it was the circus years”

ago that I'd seen, so yeah, it was a little bit, it was a little smaller, somewhere is between the biggest dog you've ever seen, and an African lion more or less, yeah, and as I say to describe the face more, it was, I just, I really remember the eyes, they were big and solid black, not cartoonishly big, you know, but not small and beady, they were, they were just, if you looked at an owl, almost right, how the eyes would be in an owl,

in proportion to the rest of its face, so almost about that size there, and it just had a kind of like a big, flat mouth, no muscle, and those of the most distinguished features that I can remember, and it was the main was like a burnt orange, and the face kind of somewhat of an off-color to that, yeah. And so this creature not having a muzzle, did

“it remind you more of like a primate, did it remind you more of a feline or neither?”

It's jump-ins, if I could almost say something in between, it was just, I don't know if these animals exist or not, but in my own, you know, independent research, what I see, I think there is in nature some lions can develop down syndrome, and if you've ever seen a picture of that, that's about the closest that I've seen, so more or less if I had to describe it, I would say about that way there, so more, it's hard to really say west

weather, it was more canine or feline, it was just so bizarre, just like a flat, flat face, not entirely flat, like a little bit of, you know, like around the mouth and stuff kind of protruded a little bit, but nothing, like a lion or cat, and that's another thing too, if somebody said, well, maybe the fella seen a bob cast, because you could almost say,

where I live now, I'm out in the country, and I race chickens, and bob cats come to visit

regularly, and absolutely not a bob cat, totally, totally for our often different, yeah.

“Yeah, there's nothing about your description that I think, oh, that was a bob cat,”

plus I don't see a bob cat really striking fear in you at 14, I mean, you don't want to go toe to toe with one, but in a battle, you apply, come out, okay, exactly, I wasn't going to win this battle, no way, it was, it was terrifying, just to see it, my heart was pounding, it was just, like I say, a primal fear in me that I'm really in trouble, and once again, my mind going through the roll of decks of animals, and it didn't fit any

of that. Yeah, it makes me wonder what you saw that day, you know, Sasquatch will be described with the main, I've heard that about a dozen times, and again, it doesn't come up often, but it does come up where people will say, it's like it had a lion's main, and you've probably heard this story, John, I interviewed a cop one time, and he was in the South

West, and he's coming around this corner, and he describes to me what sounds like a lion, I was on all fours, and as he's coming around the corner, it stands up on two legs and looks at him, and I remember asking, do you think it was a Sasquatch, who's like, no, I don't know what this saying was, but it was more feline, it had a lion's main, and it was the weirdest thing I'd ever seen, so I don't know, let me ask you, I know that you don't know, and

I don't know, but why do you think it didn't attack you, especially at the way it was I knew down? Yeah, I, you know, no, I'm glad you asked that question, because I kind of thought of that too, because I was a sitting doc, right, this thing, I had nowhere to go,

“there was no exit for me, and I think it was almost like, this thing just wanted to scare”

the living hell out of me, and it succeeded in that, absolutely, and I think maybe, who knows, maybe they haven't ever, I said a rules or silly as that sounds, but they just were like, you know, why put the energy into this fellow this day, or could have been my proximity to the highway, and there was homes around quite a distance, not really, you know, if you screamed loud or mouth, maybe, and someone's opening

back to that theory, but possibly that there, which just wasn't worth its time, it seemed like the intent was just to let me know that it was there, and to scare the living hell out of me, and it succeeded in those, absolutely, yeah. Did you ever go back to that spot,

Joan? You know what, I never did, and every time we drove by, like, or I would drive by later on,

I got my driver's license left, I can't help but glance over all the time, even today, like 32 years later, I was out with my, you know, my wife and my two sons, and I told them the story, and every time I drive by, I get a little, just a little shudder, I thought, "Oh,

“I think about that thing." And it was just so bizarre because usually, you know,”

you hear stories of cryptic or something, and nothing really matches that. And I remember years ago, you know, I'm 45, so I sound like an old man here, but before the internet was, was, you know, as popular as it is, I had nothing to reference, absolutely nothing. I was just like, I can't even tell this story, it's so bizarre. Who in the name of God is going to believe me about this thing with a big name that had, like, you know, demon eyes, looking at me and all that stuff? So,

I just more or less, you know, I kept it in the back of my mind, and it wasn't till later that I'd be sitting down and watching TV and watching some shows and people would say, "Yeah, like your story you described before, but the policeman." And I would just, well, I would say, "Oh my God, like, this is, this is getting really, uh, this puzzle is coming together now." Yeah. And I know you're an experienced guy. You've been out of the woods, John, and I mean,

you live in Nova Scotia. That silence that you experienced, did that seem normal to you,

and had you ever experienced that before? Not at all, never, never, never experienced it before.

That's the, like you say, that was the first thing that got me. I shut the bike off, took the helmet off, and I'd been there, like, on seconds or so, and it just got eerily quiet, just, like, somebody put, you know, I don't know, a glass enclosure over me, you know, a cone of silence. Here's something, that alone was creepy, not terrifying, but I'm like, "What is this?" It was just, you know, mystical, almost. And I'm proud to say, never a substance abuse or not to this day,

I don't drink and/or smoke and certainly didn't engage in anything back then. But, uh, yeah, no, it was just if it came, everything was quiet. I couldn't even hear the highway anymore. Birds, even wind noise is west. I couldn't even hear that. It was just dead, quiet, and it was,

it was like that, I didn't hear the voice, but something was, you know, back in me to turn around,

when I did, and just locked eyes with this thing, and it was just, like, a living hormone, we'd be to say, it was, uh, oh, just creepy as hell. I'm glad the encounter was only, like,

“about 20 seconds long, because I think more of the math, and I don't know. I think I got a strong”

car, but I'm not sure if I could have endured anymore. Yeah, that's silence that you talk about, John, that has bothered me for a very long time. And I think it's because I can't think of a rational explanation for it. And you're right, it's more than just, like, insects and crickets shutting off. I mean, people often report, I didn't hear the wind, I didn't hear the river,

I didn't, everything. It's like it just went quiet. Do you think what you saw that day was more

paranormal? I mean, it wasn't like a ghost. That's not what I mean. I mean, things that are paranormal can be very physical. And obviously, this thing was physical enough to terrify you. Do you think what you saw that day was, like, more paranormal? I would say, yes, I would more put it towards that, because it just, it just lacked any logic that I knew at that time, and or any knowledge of any other animals, and just the behavior of this. And I mean, I had a few experiences myself with, like,

paranormal stuff, enough to convince me that there's something going on with that world. So, in that specific instance, with what's seen that weird lion type creature afterwards,

when I reflected on it. Well, like, first one I was there. I wasn't thinking this is a ghost or a demon.

I was just thinking, I'm in big trouble here. I'm in real big trouble. And it wasn't until I left.

“And then I said, I kind of felt it being that way. I think that was, I mean, as far as that”

is admit, I, you know, because of the, the tadboo factor, other, but I thought, I think that was something paranormal, because it lacked any other explanation of all. It was just, and the way, once again, the feelings that I've had were unlike anything other, you know, that I've ever experienced. Yeah, and I want to get into some of these paranormal accounts, especially the one when you're young. And I know that you were a cop. And I almost became a cop. I would do the 12-hour

ride along that night. And ever, one of the cops was asked me, you know, why do you want to be a cop? And I think you'd been there for like 18 years. And I said, no, you know, I want to help my community. I want to help people who can't help themselves. And, you know, just kind of make the world a better place. And he spent the whole shift like trying to talk me out of it. He is like, if you want a soul-sucking job where your workplace is full of drama and workplace politics,

this is a job for you. This is a career for you. We're thinking, wow, it's kind of dark. Not a lot of fun to talk to. Tell me about when you were a cop. And some of the different events that kind of stay with you. Yeah, no, sure. Yeah, I was a policeman for about 10 years. I started pretty much right at university. I went to that. You see a lot of, you know, weird oddities there. And some of it are, of course, in the flash. You know, you don't need to

set up a wage board or anything like that to see weird oddities, you know, from your 12 hour shifts. One thing that I can say, well, actually, that stands out in my mind. There was about three o'clock in the morning and I was the only officer working. I worked for a small town at one point. And we had, I was in the room with the dispatcher. And they're just the dispatch above their head. There was a monitor. And you could really good cameras. You could see outside of the police station,

as well as the cells. But the one that's outside, you could see down the alleyway. And then there was another block of camera where it would pick up the difference. And you would see the back parking lot.

“And I remember being there one time, like I said, it was handy tree clock in the morning. I was by”

myself just being in the dispatcher. And I seemed somebody kind of a taller fell in with a hood, like a hoodie on, like a hood sweater. And he was usually nobody walks there because one you're coming to the back of the police station where the cars are. It's not the public entrance. So immediately in the time of morning in the way he was dressed and kind of like was his head down and working. I said, chances are this gentleman might not be up to, you know, and good. And I

seen him. So I seen him on the camera. And then I quickly went to the back door, not running, because you know, I didn't want anybody to hear me slam in my feet on the concrete floor. But I opened the back door up. I didn't tell the dispatcher what I was doing. But I opened the back door up. And he should have been right there when I opened that door up. And not a soul, just complete,

Now, whether he could have took off or ran away, you know, maybe, but he should have been right there

“when I opened up that door, right? So you would see oddities like that, not every day,”

but once that kind of stick out. But one I'd share with you, West, if you have time is when I was 14 years old. This is the biggest one that stands out for me. I mean, it's not a big foot story, but if somebody is interested in some of the paranormal things that can happen outside of big foot. Yeah, please do, John, please share it. I got all the time in the world. Sure, sure. Funny enough, it was almost around that same time when I was approximately 14 years old.

I was, I was more ambitious than I am now. I built a cabin in my backyards. I was made of chipboard, torped, and logs, it had an upstairs, and it downstairs, and I made it myself. And I made a little fire, or a little fire place inside. It was an old oil drum, and I stuck some venting

up the side, and the fire marshal would never prove of it. I could guarantee that.

I'm sorry, short. One of those nights in the summer, I called up a couple of friends and I said, you know, you want to come over and we'll sleep in the cabin tonight and whatnot, and they were all in a grievance, and we piled in. One of them brought this wiji board over in his backpack, and it wasn't an ordinary wiji board from I'm not sure who makes them Parker Brothers, or who knows. This was a homemade one that was made out of plywood, and they engraved everything

out of it. I remember feeling it was really, you know, inappropriate. It had six, six, six, that had, you know, some upside down crosses. You name it. The whole works it had on it.

It was just disturbing seeing it. It was like, you know, nothing. I'm a devoted cast like myself,

but, you know, it gave me the, you know, the EBGBs looking at this thing. So, as my came, we lit a candle, all of a sat around. Very jovial atmosphere. We're just kind of joking around.

“Some of us are pushing it. How even I did? I took the, I think the cop processed or whatever.”

The, you know, we'll help the cursor. And I, and I, even I gave it a couple of push, you know, just to have a laugh and one laugh. And then all of a sudden that jovial mood really snapped away from us quickly. At one point, we heard a photo outside the cabin, and we get here these very prominently these footsteps, and just like, like, dragging their feet, like a slow shuffle. And every one of us just looked at each other. Nobody was laughing because this was the real deal. There was something

out there. And I'll tell you, one guy was brave enough to pipe up and he said, okay, guys, yeah, that's enough. That's enough. And we all kind of just were pepper, a big tough guy attitude, and shut the board down, put it to the side, and we just did anything. But that, you know, fast forward the next day. I went back down to the cabin. Oh, as a result, sorry, nothing else came of that night. That was all we've heard. But fast forward the next day, I was upstairs in the

cabin, and I was there just to clean up because we were going to stay at the end of the next night again. So I just wanted to tidy up a little bit. And the Ouija board was upstairs, and I don't know what,

“you know, pardon the fun, possessed me. Well, I took the board, and I had the, I think it's”

called a plan chestward. And I took it. And I started slowly moving around, you're forking your curious, you know, you have that, you know, that brain. And I'd ask the question, I said, I just kind of mumbled it and I said, is this board evil or good? And it was almost like something took over my arm. I didn't have control over that anymore. And my arms started to move across the board. I got such a fright that I just pulled my body away through the plan chestward, whatever it is,

and got away from the board. Then at the, almost instantaneously after that, something pounded on the front door, like I mean two big bangs. And I built that thing every screw, every nail, every piece of log. I knew if somebody was on the front step of it and/or doing any kind of damage or anything like that. And I had a window right above where I could look and see it down. So when it happened originally, the big bang I went, oh, thank God, it's my brother-in-law,

because I was so scared that this had happened, that I felt relief that somebody was there, that I could say, hey, you're up here, you know, like this thing's working. And nobody was there. I looked out the window. Nobody was around. I could see a full radius around the cabin. And nothing. Fast forwards after that, approximately a week later. It was in the nice, and I said, I'll take my motorcycle for a drive. So at this time, I didn't have any mentality of, oh,

I'm going to see a ghost or something spooky. It's going to happen to me. It was as casual as if I asked

walked around the corner, and just around the corner, the house was my burn. And what I saw,

“still shocks me to this day. It was almost as if now I'll do my best to describe it.”

It's almost as if you took a person, I guess, like a man, of average height, cut him in half, and only his lower portion was there. So no top half, and it was just like your typical ghost where it was like semi-transparent and like white. And it was animatized. It was moving. Right from the door, where I stored my motorcycle in the barn, it was moving, like walking around, like kind of quickly and erratically. And I

freaked out, took my helmets, and lifted at the thing. Because what else do you do? When you see that, half of my brain was saying, somebody's trying to break into the barn and take your motorcycle. The other half of my brain is saying, you're seeing a spook. What the heck is this? And then the thing, kind of runs towards me. I mean, just, this is just so bizarre. Like just out of this world. And then it takes a quick turn and runs straight back down to the cabin, where we had that

Ouija board session. The next thing that occurred then was, and this happened over a series

“of nights, and I will absolutely never forget it. My basement, my, sorry, my bedroom, rather,”

was in the basement of our house, and the basement was done over a tad. It wasn't, you know, it had, I'm not sure, where you live, but we have a concrete floor, and all that. Well, this wasn't a tad carpet, and, you know, normal living quarters, let's say. And I'd be laying in bed, and the, at the end of my bedroom, like, if you left my bedroom, sorry, at the end, there'd be a hallway, and then at the end of that door that leads to outside.

I'd be laying in bed, and it'd be maybe 11 at night, 12 o'clock. I was never really a good sleeper,

but I, something would wake me up, I'd be awake. And I would hear the shuffling coming towards my room. Absolutely true. I would hear, like, a, like a slow shuffling. Like this, like, I could play it in my mind, and it would come towards all the way into my bedroom, because I'd most times I had my door open, and it would just stop right by my, right by where my head was, and another instance, my bedroom door closed and opened by itself. I had books one time on my nightstand,

and I could hear the books, like, slide for about two seconds, and then slide on the floor. Other nights I would wake up, and my blankets would be completely off me. And that's fine, because most nights, maybe you were warming, you'd kick them off during your sleep. The problem was, blankets were about six feet away. So I'm not sure, you don't even know how they could end up like that. So anyway, the grand finale, I suppose, of that event, I was there once again. I'm laying

in bed, and this thing was something was torture in me. I would hear again coming down the

hall, the shuffle, the feet coming, never seen anything. And I never had the courage to look before,

because it was so gosh darn terrifying, I didn't have the courage to do it. But where I was being like almost harassed by this thing, I said, I built up enough courage, and I whipped my head over to the left to see. And what was standing there, what I saw, as crazy as this is, it almost looked like a three foot tall garb oil. Great big, green on it, with great big teeth, and big eyes, and just ugly, big, wide fat head grinning. And I swung out the thing, and it swooped the

slice, swung at it, just gone, vanished. And I hadn't heard a thing after that, that was it. It was like, I showed it, I wasn't afraid or something, but the foot steps and everything they heard weren't like, just suggested, like, I heard a weird sound. And all these were definitive footprints, like footsteps, like, you know, shuffling through the carpet, where you could hear

“it come right up to you. And I believe it was the Ouija board, because that's almost the exact”

same sound that we heard the night that we wrote there using that. And I did tell you that that's

the end of that story, but there is kind of a part two. I've never heard anything after that,

like it was pretty quiet. But years later, when I became a policeman, I got my first department in another county, maybe three hours away. And I remember, I had a small apartment, and it had, you know, carpet in it, and that was. And jeez, didn't I hear one day, I'm sitting on the couch, and I hear those, that God turned, shuffling footsteps coming towards me again, and I thought, I'm either losing my mind here or something's going wrong. And then a friend of mine stayed with

me, another, another fellow that was a policeman, he was trying to get a start, and I, you know,

one time, and we were pretty close friends, and we went through the police academy together.

And he said to me, like, and I never told them these stories, absolutely did not. And he said,

me, Johnny said, I'm sitting here, and I can hear, I heard these, like, footsteps, and it came right up to my head. And when he said that, it's there, because I was hoping that I was just maybe having some kind of a, you know, a delusion from all my night shifts, but I was just tired, and we heard, when he told me that, it kind of shook me and I said, so, oh my God, like, now, because it kind of confirmed it. But after that, nothing else had never heard anything further

into this day, it's, yeah, nothing else. So I guess he gave up on me. I appreciate sharing that story, John. It's a good warning. This spirit realm was very real. And people get these wiji boards, and, you know, it sure is fun to open the door, but then they can't figure out how to close it. And it seems like whatever comes through is going to be there for a while.

“Your friends that were with you that night, did they ever experience anything like that?”

No, not that they reported to me. And I'll tell you back then, you know, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a fat old man now. I don't really care what people think about me, I'll tell the truth. Well, back then, being forking the, you know, the stigma that would have followed with that you had to said, look, I'm hearing these footsteps, and all that. So maybe that would have kept them from, from telling anything, too. But I just want to re-insure any of that. It absolutely was,

was real. It wasn't any, you know, anything suggestive or my heart rate or something, no, very definitive. And it, it brought something around. I'm not sure what the science of it is behind them or what happens, but it's certainly nothing to play with. And I think the way I've heard story, some people say, "Oh, that's foolish. I've used it for three, four nights and nothing happened and all that until it does." And then you really change your perspective on it. And

“there's, there's just too much weird that that happens out there to ignore, I think, you know,”

a big, foreign clue this, you know. Oh, funny enough to us. Years later, it kind of, it didn't, it stuck with me, but it, uh, I was really curious. And I remember the local priest, I had an opportunity where I was, I, I, I found them somewhere and we were talking and I said, you know, you know, you only get so many opportunities in life to, to bring something, you know, or do something or act on something. And I pulled them aside, and I, I told them the story that I just

told you about the Weezyport story. And, uh, oh, he took it very serious in his interpretation of it. He said that, uh, and once again, I'm not a, you know, devoted Catholic or whatnot, but I, you know, I, I tried to make a judgment Christmas of what, but what he had told me was he said that I had opened up a door, and God let a demon in, to basically warn me to not continue. He, he said, God recognized that I was a youth or juvenile. And that was him doing that to warn me, uh, to scare

me to, to never do that again, was more or less his interpretation of it. So I kind of found that

“interesting. So it's one perspective I suppose. Yeah, it's an interesting perspective. I think”

people are playing with fire, and I think you got out for relatively easy. I've heard some horrific stories. I mean, I could get on board with what he told you. This incident with the Weezyport, was it before or after you saw that creature in the forest? It was, I can't remember specifically, but I can tell you, it was around the, the same, the same time point. And, and funny enough, uh, West, you just triggered my memory. I remember when I was telling you about what happened to me

in the basement, what the, sometimes the door would shut in the footsteps. I remember another morning five, five, five, thirty morning. I woke up, and my right arm had, like, not horrible, but significant scratches on my arm. And, uh, you could tell it was fresh because I woke up because of the pain, and I looked, and then all of a sudden, I'm just like cat scratches. You know, the cattle scratch, you'll feel the pain, and a couple seconds later, you start to see it bleeding.

Identical, identical to that. We had a cap, but it was declawed, and he was beautifully never

do that to you. And my door would shut, and the cap wasn't in there. And the other thing is, as you'd say, well, maybe you rubbed it on the bed stand or something, no. There was only a wall with wallpaper and some blanket, nothing that would have ripped it like that, right? So, you know, and, and another quick occurrence, I forgot to tell you about the same thing in that, that same basement, uh, broad daylight. And I was walking all around the same time frame. Uh, broad daylight.

I was walking on the hall. I went to get something in my bedroom, and I was getting ready to head for upstairs. And it felt like somebody, almost, like, through a marble at the back of my neck, is hard as they could, just a slam on the back of my neck, just like, like I say,

Nobody at all. So, all, you know, all around the same time frame, right? So, uh, yeah,

there's, uh, I don't know what the science of it is, but, uh, I know it's, uh, it's, you know,

“if you can avoid that stuff all together, right? I think if I was better off.”

Yeah, I would imagine if I was in your shoes, John, I would have felt very helpless. 'Cause you can't really control when it shows up, or what it's going to do, or, you know, like I said, it's easy to open the door, but it sure seems a lot harder to close it. Especially the thing you saw around the barn, I think I would have lost it, seeing something like that. Oh, it was, it was so, it was so bizarre, absolutely so bizarre. And it's not like I have, you know,

hallucinations on the daily, I think, because it was only, like, put that, you know, I'm joking, of course. I don't, but, uh, I have no other explanation for what I saw. It was just, uh, yeah, it was unbelievable. And, um, something else, if you don't mind too, as since I, I've got a lender, your platform here, but something else, I've seen, uh, over the years, you often talk about weird lights and the woods and stuff like that.

I thought it was, it was, it was not long ago, maybe three years ago. It's a, it's a, it's a short story. My, uh, my, it was, it was in the winter,

“because I remember being called my wife, uh, she's a paramedics. She gets up early in the morning to go”

to work and, uh, anyway, she got up and as she walked by her front window, uh, up in the bedroom, which you've, uh, points towards our neighbors here. Uh, she said to me, she said, John, she said, does, does, does Mal have a new light on his house? And Mal was our neighbors, uh, God love me.

He passed away since, but he was first nations. And, and I said, uh, you know, I was good friends,

what Mal, I knew everything about his property, where there was power and where there was not, you know, and the burns and his backyard certainly did not have power. And, uh, she said, it's coming from where the back, the backyard is like the burns. And I, so Mal, I said, okay, well, this is worth getting up at a bed to look. So I got up and I looked over and about halfway up the burn, there was this bright, almost like an LED light, almost the same as like a street light, you know,

for the road about the same intensity. But there was no fasting of light on the ground. None whatsoever. Like usually if there's a big bright light, you see everything around. The way I, it's, it's almost as if somebody put a light inside of a tube and just focused it towards it. So there's no cascade of light. And I remember, and, and just, it appeared almost like a, like an LED light, the same intensity. It wasn't blinding. But it was certainly a strong enough

light, you know, just the same as a street light. So it really had my attention, had my wife's attention.

She was like, well, she's Mal must have put out a big, powerful light on his burn.

And I'm saying, she's not pretty close with the guy. And maybe we're nosy neighbors with each other. I know what he has and what he doesn't. And so at this point, now it's really got my attention because I'm thinking, you know, the, the X cop came out and then I'm like, is this somebody going around with a flashlight breaking in the burns? Because now you got my full attention. So I'm staring at this light and I'm looking and I'm looking and it's staying perfectly still.

But it's almost like it was a light that was inside water. If that makes any sense where it was just kind of like orbiting around in itself. If that, I hope that makes some kind of sense, like spinning within itself slightly, right? Like, you know, and I remember just how like bizarre it was. But after about, oh my god, it was there for about maybe I stared at it for about 25 seconds

“intently because I was trying to make out if I seen people walking around or something, you know?”

And I'll admit, I said, oh my god, I had to run the wash before, you know, I go on the floor. Run to the, so when was I went to the washroom? Of course, my wife, she's like, that light's gone. She was downstairs. She's like, it's gone. And anyways, they like came. I looked over across a street expecting to see that he had installed some type of a light on a house or the burn rather. Absolutely nothing, nothing there. And when I got ready and went to work,

as soon as I pulled out of the driveway about nine and morning or eight thirty or whatnot, he actually, he was actually coming at his house and I pulled in and I said, like, I had a good report room. And I said, Mel, I said, there was something really weird at the five thirty morning and he said, yeah. And I said, well, come on over by the burn. So I went to walk and I remember distinctly that it had snowed that night. Just lightly, there was no footprints,

no nothing around that burn with an even like 30 feet of it's only footprints where my own walking towards the burn. So when I hear you in some of your stories where I hear people call up and talk to these strange lights, I'm like, oh, he's almost, yeah, that's very real. I can attest to the

it was crawl and are walking or anything like that, but just a bizarre light in the middle of

“nowhere with absolutely no explanation. And I'll tell you, it burns in your mind. So now”

that's, that's, you know, a couple years ago. Now every morning I wake up or if it's at night

if I'm going up to use the last room or head into bed, whatever. I always look out the window

and I'm like, where's that thing? I'm like, hey, that again, look at it. But like I say, it was so bizarre because there was no cascade of light. None. It was just, you know, just, just the light, like, so I don't know how that's possible. And it was like orbiting within itself. Like it was just kind

“of swirling in itself, you know. But I thought that was just my eyes at the time when I'm looking at”

them like if you stare at something long and I'll flick a bright light, you know, your eyes will kind of

do a little bit of wonky stuff. But just no explanation for it whatsoever. And I mean, I, you know, I spent my life as, you know, my bread and butter was as an investigator of one form or another. And it really baffled me and I didn't want to give up on it so easy. Like, oh, well, whatever that was like my wife got longer but she, she just missed it pretty quick. She's like, oh, well, it was weird that was it. But not me. I was like, nope, I want to know what that was.

And it drove me bumpers trying to find out and to the day it's just, uh, I got to file it under mysteries. That's for sure. I appreciate sharing that, John. It might be of the light that I saw. It did kind of have that swirling motion on the inside. almost like it was power or something. And the way he described it is spot on like you would think that there would be this cascade of light all around it, but they don't really light up anything. What is it you think you saw? I mean, and what do you think a lights are in general?

You know, I really don't. I just know that, you know, to give an overall opinion on it, I'm not that I sat on the hilltop thinking about this stuff too much, but there's way too much smoke for no fire, and I think a person would be very conceded if you think you got it, I'll figure it out. You know, quote unquote cool people that are like, "Oh, that's crazy, that's best, that's that." Well, not really. If you fell a pays attention to some of this stuff and not everybody can be a liar. I think even the people over the years that, you know, when I tuned in your show, the odd time you made, you know, have dealt, but then you say to yourself, "They can't be that many liars." Even if there's two people that completely, you know, recalled the story at 100% accuracy, then it validates everything.

So I really don't know other than to say that there is weird stuff that happens, and it's okay to admit that you don't have an answer for it.

And the other thing about it is that might frustrate people as they say, "Well, you know, like one fella I talked to said, "Well, I'm a ghost hunter and I've never seen anything."

But the problem there is that I have seen, it's so random that you never know, you're not going to call or summon these things or anything, it's just so random. The counter that I had, like I said, with that weird half-body ghost that I saw, I wasn't in the mentality of, "Oh, I'm going to see something spooky here." We go, "No, just the same mentality if I'd asked you, can you help me take the lumber out of the truck here?"

“And we go outside and bam, you're confronted with it right then and there. It's so random this stuff, right? So, yeah, it's weird, but my God, it's fun to talk about it and just interesting, right?”

It's a mystery, it's definitely a mystery, a lot of people see these lights and I wish I had a great answer for what it is. And I want to ask you what you think Sasquatch is, John, but come back to when you were a police officer, is there any memory that you have that kind of still stays with you today, almost like it happened yesterday? Yeah, unfortunately, the first thing that comes to my mind is, you know, it goes, I guess, without saying, a lot of, you know, you're living people's worst day of their life, a couple of times that shift, so a lot of, you know, a lot of misery, unfortunately, right?

I get 10 years of it and then I had an opportunity to get out and I miss some of the people working, you know, working with them, but I don't, I don't miss the drama, you know what I mean? In the morning, wrestling with some guy that's, you know, built like Arnold Schwarzenegger, you're tired, you're on your 7th and the 6th, he wants to go with you, you know, but, yeah, there's anything that stood out, but once again, it's so, it's so hard to pinpoint, I do remember one incident that it actually is kind of paranormal, I suppose.

I found a mind and I, well, he was, I'm not more than a friend, he was my partner in policing, you know, who rose on ship with that knife.

Take a break, and we drove up around the, the residential streets, and the town where I worked that was kind of, was Hilly, right, sort of, Dippy and Dive as well.

“And we're driving along once again, maybe, three, thirty, the morning or so.”

All of a sudden, we looked straight ahead, and it was in the winter, there was a little bit of snow on the ground, and we looked ahead, and there was this guy with no shirt on, out in the middle of the road, and he was airbox, and he was just given it. He's left, you know, just, just going, and without saying anything, my partner and I, but the police, he was driving, put the police car in park, and we just saw, we're like, here we go, right, like, you know, this is going to be, you know, a lot of fun.

And we put our gloves on, and we still, never, we didn't say anything to each other, he kind of hops and puffs, puts the police car in the drive, and we started to head towards this fella.

I was like, hey, the street that we were on was kind of, Hilly and Divey, so we kind of went up the hill a little bit, or we went down, and like a little, or sorry, we went down, like a little bit of a hollow, and then as we come up, we expected the guy to be there. He was, he was gone, and now you might say, well, he, okay, he took off and you ran into the woods, he saw the police car, and he wanted to run in height. The problem with all that is, though, it had snowed about an inch. What's the weather? Nothing on that road, and my friend, my partner, he couldn't accept it, he got out of the police car, and he's shining in the spotlight, he's looking around.

“I'm looking all around, but I'm saying, it's kind of a move point because there's, there's no footprints, man, like, there's nothing, like, it's just so bizarre, right?”

And not that I think everything is a ghost or anything like that, but I'm looking on like, I need a path to see where he went, you know, at least start there.

And we're looking and there's absolutely nothing, all we could see is the footsteps, don't leading, you know, back to the either side of the police car, where we had got milk. It was really bizarre, and my friend, just couldn't let it go, we're driving around, my partner, and she's shining in the light and the woods, and everything like that, and I'm like, you know, and I'm trying to, I didn't give up, but we're thinking, because I thought, maybe if this guy is intoxicated. I'm like in case he went into the woods and he passes out there and passes away, or so we did take a serious look and form, and there was nothing, no clues.

Even when I followed up the next night shift, I checked him with day shift and said, you know, Jesus, you get any calls, but anybody being disruptive or anybody in the woods, drink nothing, nothing about. I do recall another time, and it's, I would categorize the categorize it, I guess, as a paranormal, as well. I'd worked at a different town, it was a neighboring town at that time, and it was about 11 o'clock at night or so. We're in the dispatch room, like in, well, in the police station with the, alongside the dispatcher, to these small towns, you know, you're dispatcher pretty well, and you're right there with them sometimes when you win the office.

And the phone rings, and I was, I was with a female partner, phone rings, this batch of picks up, and I hear them going, okay, they're shaking their head, and he drops the phone, and he looks at me, and he points, and he says, "Breaking in her major disturbance," he says next door at the post office, above the post office. So, we don't need to jump in the police car, this is, I don't know, maybe a hundred feet away. So, we're like on it, we slam out the side door, she's hot on my trail, we run over on foot, the cleaners there, it was Canada post, it was downstairs, and above was an old apartment,

“an apartment, I think it was just one single apartment.”

And as I'm running over, he's got the door open, and he's saying, they're upstairs, they're upstairs, there, somebody's getting the hell beat out of them. We run in through his door, and Canada post at that time had another door, I guess that led upstairs, to where this apartment was. So, we go in, hot and heavy, and I'm announcing, you know, at that time it was the town of Stellerton, and I'm saying, Stellerton police, and, you know, we took it dead serious. Although, when I went in, I had heard nothing, but the information that I received quickly from the nighttime janitor was,

they're upstairs, somebody's getting the hell beat out of them, they're thrashing and banging, and he was really upset, right?

And keep in mind, that man had worked there for about eight years or so, so, this wasn't an every night occurrence, this was the first time I'd ever had a call from them like that.

We ran upstairs, and the door was open to the apartment, it was open, and last time when we opened the door, the cobwebs hit us in the face, that place was abandoned, there was nobody in there.

I took my flashlight, and I rolled it along the ground where you could see that the place was kind of dusty and dirty, there was like old drywall, saw dust, stuff like that, and there's no footprint of all.

“So, once again, I'm saying, okay, you know, as a baseline, I walk in the room, I checked the closet, I look all around, I come back out, and I see definitively my footprints going all the way around.”

That I just made, and I go back down to the guy, he's just at the bottom of the stairs, the janitor, and my female partner, she's just like the builder, too, she's like kind of laughing, saying this guy, you know what I mean, this is a mental health thing, right? And he was just on fire, he's like, I'm telling you, somebody was upstairs, and I get here, kicking and screaming, they were fighting the walls, they were the ceiling shaken, and oh, he was just so excited, it was unbelievable. Just to do our due diligence, we went outside and we checked on the roof of the building, went around, like, you know, is all the whole perimeter, and then the guy was with us, and he's like, well, if they're not in that room, they're on the damn roof, you know?

And I understand him, we checked the roof, and if he had a jumped off that roof, that's nobody I want to tackle.

You know what I mean, they're better, they're better physical shape than I am, but anyways, yeah, so after a few years and I, I've assumed, you know, minus the stigma, I'm sure every policeman after a few years would have some kind of a story that they would place in the, the bizarre, but those are those are two I can share with you from that time for sure. Yeah, I appreciate sharing it, John. The interesting stories have ever heard were from cops, whether it be paranormal or not, and I really wish I could get more of them to come on.

“I know the RCMP is armed, I watched him shoot all those ostriches on that farm, but are local cops or provincial cops? Are you guys armed?”

Yeah, very much so. The, the only difference between the RCMP and we, and then we caught municipal police was jurisdiction. The RCMP, what they did was, they, they were federal policeers and one of the main reasons why we need the federal ones is because they can transfer anywhere. They'll take ones from Nova Scotia, put them in Alberta, for up in the, you know, the, up in our northern community stuff like that. So municipal police like let's say that, you know, Toronto police or Vancouver or, you know, no one's going to tell you, you got to pack your family up and move and stuff right. So it's kind of, it's, it's that it's, you know, advantage there, but as far as being armed and your powers matter all under the criminal code of Canada, and they're exactly the same.

And then each of the municipal officers and that, yeah, yeah, I don't know why I had it in my head that the cops in Canada were armed, you know, like the local cops, but I'll tell you my cop story, John, you know, when I was a balancer, we were armed and I hated it. I was a little bit more like a liability and I used to beg management, please take her guns away or at least let us conceal them because what's the first thing drunkenty, it's go for when you're in a fight.

“They go for your gun and I can't count how many times I ended up fighting, you know, with one hand clamped over my weapon protecting it, well kind of dropping bombs with the other one.”

I got old really, really fast, but I'll share my cop story that kind of ties into it. This is about eight or nine years ago, but I was living in this Parmer complex next to this corner store.

And one day, you know, I walk over and I'm grabbing some food and I notice this car at the pumps. There's three people inside, but they weren't getting gas. I couldn't really pull my finger on it. It's kind of hard to explain, kind of I guess I got feeling or something. Your spotty sense of started to tingle. Yeah, total spotty sense is kicking in and I don't know if it was drugs or what was going on there, but I was like, I, you know, not my problem. And so I go into the store and I get my food and everything and I'm heading out. Now there's a police car behind that same vehicle.

The other two people are gone. The cop and the driver are fighting. They're actually sprawled out across the front front seat doors open and a full on like this fight. And between you and I didn't look like the cop was winning. I mean, this guy had like a hundred pounds on this cop.

And I'm embarrassed even kind of admit this, but my first thought was like, now my problem, now my business. I learned a long time ago. No good D goes unpunished in life.

I was going to go home. My start walking home. And I don't know if you call it my soul. God stepping in or, or what, but I, I just couldn't walk away. I really wanted to walk away.

But I, you know, I thought if this cop gets killed and I might have been able to stop it. I'm not sure I could live with myself after that. So I reluctantly walk over there. And I walk up to the passenger side of the car. And that's where both of their heads were, you know, they were still fighting very vicious fight. But what they were fighting for was the cops gun.

When I looked down at my feet, there's a cop service pistol on the ground. The guy is actually reaching for it. He's about six inches away.

“The officer's trying to hold him back. He's throwing punches. This cop could fight. And being reluctant, you know, instead of like jumping into action. I was like officer, would you like help?”

And he goes, yes, yes, for a love of God. Yes. And so I picked up the gun and I grabbed the guy by the ear and I yanked him out of that car. I had such a grip on him. If he hadn't come out, I probably would have torn his ear off.

I learned bouncing. Grab someone by the ear and they will follow you wherever you want to take him. No questions asked.

That's right. So now the the the cop is cuffing him totally out of breath. And I feel bad the cop actually blood on his face and on his uniform.

“And I'm standing there above him still holding his gun, by the way.”

But I started hearing all of these sirens, a lot of sirens. And I don't know if like a call went out over the radio. I'm assuming it did, but it sounded like every cop in Washington was headed our way. And that's when it kind of hit me here. I am like a donkey standing over this bloody cop holding a gun. And there's like a swarm of officers ready to roll up. They're absolutely going to shoot me. So I told the officer, I'm like, am I going to secure fire arm? And I'm going to go ahead and set it right over there. And like seconds later, I swear like the entire state police force showed up. I've never seen that many cops in my life.

But I was pretty sure if I didn't get that gun out of my hand, they were going to shoot me when they showed up. Yeah, because they're trying to figure it out and they've got, you know, fractions of the second. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I, a funny story that it didn't happen to me. I wasn't there, but my sergeant told me he said he was patrol and that the four in the morning. And he noticed this car that was driven down the railroad tracks. And once again, not that it snows all the time in Canada, but these these stories are just happened to be in the winter.

He was he was drunk. And rather than, you know, I guess he thought the railroad tracks were a street and he went down the railroad tracks and end up getting his car stuck. So my sergeant at that time, oh my god, it's the tape rat and humor. I'll tell you, like we can't reveal all the secrets of some of the fondness.

“But he went up to the window and the guy sees that there's a policeman there. So he puts his car in drive, even though he stuck solid puts it right to the floor engine screaming. So what does my sergeant do?”

Yeah, I'm still busing up about the, you know, I'm kind of glad I met of it myself. I don't regret the time in it, but, you know, it's good for the memory bank. That's for sure. The train tracks, you know, that guy was like when he sobers up, he's going to be like, yeah, I had it floored in this cop was keeping up with me on foot. I would imagine in that job, you can have a little bit of fun, so you don't go crazy. And I appreciate sharing all your memories of that and your encounters, John, you know, I asked everyone on the show, what do you think sask watches. I know you're a member and I really appreciate you supporting what I do. What do you think big foot is?

You know, I guess after, I'm, I'm interested that's a hobby on the side, kind of, you know, a closet of it, you know, a researcher from my chair, watch it to TV about that. And after all the information that I've taken in that subject, I, I have to say it's more paranormal. There's just too much weird stuff that goes on to say that it would be something physical, like, you know, the stories you hear about, I remember West, you had somebody on and perhaps I think it was an older lady and she said she shot us with a shotgun and it was just a flash light and a thing was gone.

Only in that way too, John, and it kills me too because I really want it to be a non-human primate, you know, it seems, it would seem so cool to be like, oh, wow, there's a knee species of gorilla or something we haven't discovered, but you know, the longer you're in this subject, you're more, you're like, I don't know about that.

“I appreciate you coming on the show, John, and sharing your life and your encounters, and I really enjoyed chatting with you, it was a real pleasure, thank you so much for taking the time.”

I appreciate the follow-up with me, and I was just happy to share those stories. Thanks again, John, and that's it for tonight everyone, remember you've had an encounter, to meet me now. My email address is [email protected] and to be at a chance check out saskwatchchronicles.com.

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