SC EP:1245 The Juvenile Playing On My Tree Stand

it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that that shocked me. They don't make people that big.

“The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach.”

I've never seen anything moves like that in my life.

They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language, and they were shunting away, back and forth, back and forth. I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet the water I saw bears. This is Phoenix Bunting from Laxso first nation, and you are listening to west grammar of Sasquatch Chronicles.

Welcome to the show, tonight we will be speaking with Jake, who comes to us

“from Minnesota, back in the early 80s, he witnessed something he described as a chimpanzee”

playing on his tree stand.

Then 30 years later, in the same area, he encountered another creature, and it was displaying a behavior unlike anything I had ever heard before. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is west@saskwatch Chronicles.com, and if you get a chance to check out saskwatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows.

Let's jump into it tonight, I want to welcome Jake to the show, Jake thanks for coming on. No problem.

Yeah, and you had this encounter, we're going back to the early 80s, if you would just

“kind of start from the very beginning, what were you doing and what happened?”

Well, it started to be on this private property, round 82 or 1983 somewhere around there. Well, this area that I hunted was just south of a large piece of state land in Minnesota. That's open to public hunting, and the occupants of this area. In the 70s, Minnesota, DNR pushed light places on the owners of the recreational land. So these landowners would sell their land to the state for a chunk of money and upon their

passing, it would become part of the state forest. So at the time of this all happened, or at the time, it started happening. It was a private property, and again, I was a kid. I was done the wiser, but as I got older, it all made sense. I don't think I said that as a kid, I was done the wiser.

I would hear things and observe different sounds. I would rationalize it as like nine here, nox, three nox, and they were perfectly time, bump, bump, bump, bump, but a lot higher pitched and more tiny, like it was sitting up popular, a brick screen. I would rationalize it as it was the gross thumping or whatever I didn't pay as much attention

until I got older and started learning about all these big equipment counters and things people have seen and dealt with. I heard that I'd hear stones clacking, I even heard a few whoops once a while, but I passed it up as Kyle's.

I was like I said, none of the wiser in order, I did anything about big equipment or

“Sasquatch or whatever you want to call it.”

And first weekend of deer hunting season, I have an old wiser.

Are you familiar with those, like World War II era, radio men and male coaches, they're a back pack with wide loaders straps, they're about three, but wide and they're all green. Can I just back back to really wide ones? Oh yeah, I have a replica of one, I bought offline and I know exactly where you're talking about.

Yeah, so I would have one of those and you know, it has been so bad in the last couple decades, but you know men sort of winters, especially in November, but you know, get very brutal cold.

So I would take this backpack and have it full of extra warm clothes.

I would put it out in my gear stand, but you know, the day before the opener, so I wouldn't have to, you know, get out sweaty carrying that in and out because you know, sweaty equals cold, so and for a couple of years before this encounter, I noticed that, again, I would just rationalize it as a coincidence or I forgot something, but there'd be things missing. Because you know, I'd put my clothes in there and I'd also have a couple snacks in there.

Well, my bag of safe carmels would be missing and gone, and like I said, I just blew up as I forgot to put in there or, you know, whatnot. And so yeah, I would put this pack out there before and play a set for a couple of years.

Stuff was missing out of there and then they much tensioned with that.

And then the day I had the encounter, I realized what it was. I had three different ways I went into this deer stand, depending on the wind. So it came up over a ridge and then over looked a big swamp bug and yeah, I mean, Minnesota's built a lot of that, so, but yeah, so I came up over this ridge and I hear bang, bang, bang.

“I thought, what the hell is that, somebody in my deer stand?”

And as I got over the ridge and started coming down where I could see my deer stand. So a little juvenile look like, you know, somebody's pet chimpanzee or something, jumping down my deer stand. And then there's a branch. I used to go up, you know, you cut from the fall of joy to, on a tree, you know, making

a nice spot for your deer stand, but still have a cover. And right above my seat, three feet, there was a branch I left, I had, you know, leaves and why not on it, so it helped, you know, hide me. And the thing was, jumping down my deer stand, jumped up, grabbed that log out of the branch above and naturally swung around a few times, and then jumped back out on deer stand and

was crawling up and down, you know, I have those attachable ladders that, you know, the extension ladders that I walked with pins, and yeah, I was going up and down that is having a good old time. Well, coming over to the wind that day, I came in directly from the east to west, so I came over a ridge and as of coming over to peak of the ridge, the visual line of sight

was about 45 minutes. I mean, this guy was a little guy, like I said, he was, I hate the reference for other primates, but that's all I have to use as a reference. The same look like, it had the arms of a chimpanzee, but the body of like a mountain gorilla really, you know, fuzzy and thick, but it's arms were like minimal to no hair.

It was really weird looking, and again, the head was also like a pretty, but the features of it were, you know, like I said, it's really hard, without a good solid reference, it's

“hard to examine, to put an example on it, but it said that the best way I could describe”

it were people would understand was to add the body of a great ape and the limbs of a chimpanzee, and it was probably three feet tall, approximately, oh, you hear the, you know, big what's being described as no neck and just broad shoulders. This thing had definitely had a neck, I mean, it was probably a good, the bottom of the leg of the chin area, and, you know, the base of the head, where the neck would start,

it was probably four to five inches above its shoulders, so I'm sure they grow into that, but yeah, it was very interesting, and the hands is really what gave it away. I mean, didn't have those rough thick nails, like you'd think, you know, even a primate

That was weird. They were those were more human. You can actually see the white sheen up upon his close enough, see that, so.

It started, like I said, it was playing around and finally, it saw me.

“And it did this, are you, are you, are you study primates at all, the great apes?”

A little bit, well, you know, I've ever seen a young, impenetian panzy, how they go, when they're feeling nervous or, you know, basically column for mom, yeah, it did that, but it was a much, much lower pitch, you know, and then I got to tell you, maybe 100 yards away, where the swamp opens up thick island, I heard what can only be described as a lion, a roren through an elephant's trunk point, you know, right in my direction, and, you know, the funny part

is, I had a 300, when mag over my shoulder, a 44, mag number, and a shoulder holster, and I got to hell out of there as quickly as I could, I mean, I've sprinted back to my freaking truck. You know, I could actually feel the percussion in my chest, and like I said, it was, I don't know, sure, help our way, it was brand-new, for my dear stand, to where, you know, the

island is where it had, thick, trigger-off on it, is a hundred yards. I know that, but back, and yeah, I could feel the percussion from horror barway, it was minimum of 100 yards.

“That's what I know, and I just, yeah, nature kicked in, and I got that, I got out of there”

as quickly as I could, I mean, I took out like a little girl, and I'm pretty ashamed to say that. Whatever was a roren, I didn't want any part of it, especially when you think that this had to be a juvenile, so, you know, you don't want to become, I'm sorry, get between mother and its cub, you know, that's, sure way to get ripped apart, so yeah, it's interesting

that you heard that roar, I've heard that one time before, it was in the same area of me and my brother had our encounter was, I don't know, a month later, a couple months later, we actually heard that, and the same must have been at least a mile, maybe two miles away, you could almost kind of feel it is ridiculous as that sounds because it was so far away.

I don't know exactly what you're, what you're talking about, I remember thinking like, is there a lion out here, like an African lion running loose, what was kind of your thoughts about Bigfoot prior to this encounter? I really didn't give him much thought of that, you know, I'm an engineer, so I, you know, I made, see it to believe a type of guy or, you know, prove a type of person, and if you

someone wanted to tell me that story, I had to say, yeah, whatever, but seeing is truly believing.

“Yeah, it truly is, I get it completely, did you ever go back?”

I took me about a week, but yeah, I had some pretty good amount of money in that back that was hanging in that, you know, buying the deer standing in the tree, so yeah, it took me about a week to build the courage to go back off there, but I did go back out, and what I found was a very mangle toward on trees down there. Yeah, that's kind of an interesting detail.

I've checked in many hunters who have never seen their creature, there's weird stuff going

on, and they'll come back in their tree stance torn down. Sometimes it's wrapped around a tree and I've often wondered, you know, is that alpha males doing that? Is that juveniles doing that? When you were back, was there anything taken out of your bag?

And that bag was shredded and everything inside, but was shredded as well, probably over a 20 meter area. My deer stand was coiled up around the, or the small pine tree at the base of this tree I picked, was, you know, a bigger pine, I tend to opt for putting my tree standing pine trees because I'm a smoker in the thermals that are around all pine trees, take my

sense straight up in the air, so it really helps with that. So there was a smaller pine at the bottom, and yeah, every stop was wrapped around that, and it was, everything was just annihilated. Yeah, after hearing this, I really think it must be the alpha males. Why would a juvenile destroy his little playground, he's playing on?

Tell me about the second incident.

Well, I went back out there about two years later, we'll see, after this happened, I did start doing my research and realize that, you know, there was a lot more common than I would have ever thought, and I went back, and there was an old guy that lived in areas

money, there was, you know, rumors that he had all his money, and after passing, he did, did the family to go out there and find Mason Jarrett's pool of money, and I mean, he got as close with a goodwill, he rolled a, he rolled a girl's bike with a tassels on it on the old twins.

“He would go up and down the road and get a road kill, and that's what he would eat.”

He came up to me one day, when I went down there before my second sighting, he just looked

to me and said, he better watch out, the one with the straggly looking hair and I think as a mongled, and he'll mess you up, I thought, okay, Johnny, you know, again being a weird old hermit, I didn't pay much tends to it, so I went back in the same area, I went a little deeper and was scouting out for a bare season, because that particular county has the highest population of black bears in Minnesota, and there's no quarter there, so you can just buy

a license, you don't have to do a lottery, but here or there I was doing some rekind of where to put my stand up and works to our baits, and you know how on the edge of swamps,

you get those big clumps of dirt that walk normally, you can almost fall and break your

“neck out of me from a million of those, I am, yeah, well, I was hopped and clumped to clump”

and I was holding on to a tree standing on this clump, and something behind me pushed me into the push me over into this one up, and it wasn't a stumble, because I felt it on my back, and that was what the hell, stood back and you know, got back up and once I regained my computer, I turned around, and this stradly looking thingy me was big, but he was stradly, you know, it really meant you looking for it, and at that point he was probably,

again, 40, 45, 50 yards away, it was moving away after he showed me, and I got the feeling

he didn't mean me any harm, but I also did not want me there, so I got it, I got a good

look at this guy, so imagine, you know, that guy for a little mascot, whatever you want to call him from the tail of the crib, that skull looking guy, you can take that and make him a little more hairy and give him, you know, probably a five-foot shoulder span, but he was very stradly, and eyes were super sunk back in the back of his head, and now I know what John E. Old, John E. Riddling was talking about when he said that, you know, there was

something wrong with this guy, because, yeah, I mean his features just were not right, I mean, I mean, I'm not saying I've seen a thousand of them, I don't know what they're supposed to look like, but this thing did not look right at all, and you know, you could see his gray skin on it, the black herring, was like all flaky, I mean, I would venture, I guess, from what I'd researched that that's, he wasn't normal, a lot of them all, that was a biological

defector or what, but yeah, that it was just an achy look of things.

“And Jake, what you were looking at, did it look more like a human, did it look more like an animal?”

Yes, it looked like a really, really big human. You know, you hear about these, you know, thirty six inch forearms in this, from other sightings, I mean, it's not, like he wasn't big as he was, but he was very, you know, you know, and the word that comes to mind is, straightly. I mean, he had big biceps, he had big forearms, huge thighs, big chest, big shoulders, but looks straightly is that the mast didn't, that's the size of the frame

of that makes sense. I would almost describe him as, you know, if I didn't know better, I would say he was the, the mothhead of the big world, he was just a scrawny looking thing, but still big of that makes sense to you. Yeah, you know, weird way that does make sense. So you get pushed down, tell me what happens next. Well, the, get the hell out of your kick back in and I was a little more gentle about this time, I just started going back to where

that came and, you know, kept, kept a good close eye in him and he came two feet towards me and then by feet backed up, it was just strange. You kept doing that all the way out to where I hit the, there's an old two rut, there was a house back there. Like I said, it was a life, please, the guy had a, about a 45-foot house, leaving it out with an indoor pool of the middle of this big woods. So he had a nice two rut driveway that went back

to the main road and this thing was coming with a couple steps towards me and several steps

and that's what I find weird about his behavior of coming two feet towards you and kind of backing up, coming towards you and then kind of backing up. Would you describe that like a bluff charge? No, I wouldn't even say it wasn't a charge. He was literally just, as I was walking out, he was paralleling me, but he was taking, like I said, two or three steps. It wasn't like he was rushing her. He wasn't like a pullback, doing a blitz. He was literally walking.

But it was, maybe it was a very unsettling, but it was bodyling with the way it was doing his hands or shaking. His shoulders were kind of trembling. It was really weird. You could see the muscle, you know, muscle, all primates have from their, uh, their neck to their shoulder, especially males. I forget the name of the word word, but you don't talk about it. Yeah,

“I think you're talking about the trapezius, kind of the upper trapezius? Yes, thank you.”

Well, you could see him from one. It was just bizarre. And like I said, all the way out, and it was probably a quarter mile. He did this. Like I said, he wasn't acting threatening, but it was almost more threatening when the way he was acting. In my head anyway,

just like I said, he would come. He paralleled me out. He would come. Two steps, always two steps,

or would towards me, and then he would back up three to five steps away. And then, you know, I'd do three strides if you'd do it again. And it was this bizarre. How far away from you, Jake, was this creature when he was doing this, worried, kind of move up on you, then back off, then move up. What kind of a distance are we talking about? He kept about 15 to 20 meters away at all times,

“because unfortunately, where he was in the way, like I said, he was paralleling me out.”

I had the hook, he was east of me, and I had the hook east at one point, because there's so standing in water swamp, that hooks around the piece of wood. So I actually had to go towards him at one point. He kept that same distance away from me all the way out. I hit that driveway. What do you make of him doing that behavior? Well, I, like I said, with no baseline of how they're supposed to be, I really don't know.

It was, you know, but you, I've spent, as an engineer, I'm a federal contractor, so I end up all over the country, normally I have to have all my stuff with me. I was structural engineer, so I've got a lot of tools I carry with me, so I can't fly, I have to drive. So I've been listening to a lot

of different podcasts and, in college and things, and I've never heard anything like this before.

“So that's why I figured that you and your listeners would, you know, enjoy this,”

what does it something new? And like I said, I don't know how to describe it, but it was very unsettling. Yeah, I would imagine, I would have taken the old behavior as aggressive, you know, him pushing you in the back, and it kind of pushing you over a surround way to start a relationship, or probably would have put a bullet in him just for doing that. What do you make of his behavior throughout this whole encounter? I mean, him pushing you, and then kind of like almost bluff

charging you out, but not really? Oh, like I said, you know, it was unsettling real time.

I incites always 20, 20, but I mean, I think if he wanted to be aggressive, he would have done

could have done more than give me a shot because I had no idea he was there until I, you know, felt a shot on my back. And then even then it took me a few minutes to walk onto a, you know, to see moved away quickly. And I went back there a week later. At that point I was irritated. I was mad. I thought, all right, I've been hunting on here since I was 12 years old, you know, and now at that point I'm in my third late mid to late 30s and thinking, no, not not going to happen.

So I actually went back and again, armed to the teeth. This time I was going to take a crap of stuff was going to, you know, pace me and try to be a jerk. I understand that's probably on their home territory, whatever their range territory, whatever you want to call it. But I went back out there. I went to the spot. I got shoved. And there was a track there because you know, it was real mushy, mossy stuff where you know what print takes them up to go away. I said, I went

back about a week later. And yeah, he, I can tell where he promised trackway he had basically circled

around me without me detected him to get behind me to the salt to give me a show. And I grabbed

stuff with me. I mean, again, I was no expert by any means, but I would add some plaster with me if I had known better. But I found his tracks were 14, three quarters inches long. I mean, I had that area, you're being watched feeling, but I didn't not see anything. And on the way out, I did here, you know, a double whistle. When I had to do, you know, the two rucks are probably waywarder on it. And I was no bird because I had percussion behind it. How tall was this creature? And if you

would, I mean, would you describe it more human? Would you describe it more like an animal? Well,

the his looking at him, I would say he was more human, but he acted more like an animal.

“Like I said, it's really hard to describe, but, you know, the only thing I could really do to”

enhance this, and I probably should have done it by now is, if I ever get a chance, I'm gonna have a sketch artist, you know, do this thing up because he was bizarre looking. He's not this big mountain of beast like you, seen here about, you know, he was struggling in comparison to this frame in size. I would guess for based on the features Roy Simon, I did pick one branch. That was approximately, you know, where his head was, and I measured that. It came back at nine

put three, so that's a real close to like I said, that's not exact, but it's within two or three inches of Israelites. And what year did this happen in jerk? That was 1996. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, 2009. You know, a lot of times when these creatures get close like that, you would think if they go hands on, they're gonna hurt you. I mean, he did push you, which would have pissed me off, but why do you think that he didn't cause any real harm towards you?

“He didn't really hurt you. I've thought about that a lot, and I don't know. The best thing,”

you know, if you're gonna go off of animal instinct, I'm very familiar to like I said, I've been down there for almost 30 years at that point. Doing, you know, bow hunting, rifle hunting, bear hunting, or else hunting, I mean, I've been over every inch of that. You know, that's an 890 acre range, where I was at. I've been over every inch of that thing that was possible. That's not underwater, box-walk, so maybe it's familiar already. I don't know. Maybe that was him that was

still on my snacks out of my backpack. I have no idea. But he, he didn't try to do what baffles me as you hear these things, people, you'll see a sighting, and they vanish. Well, this thing was not even coming close, trying to hide, and I was trying to get out of there. Like I said, he was parallel me out, and that whole back and forth thing was really bizarre. Do you think it was the same one

that you ran into in the early 80s? No, no way. The first one I saw was very healthy looking, very,

like I said, you know, like you would see at the zoo, type of primate, you know, that you that do now. There's no way that could have been the same animal. You know, when he had that encounter back in the 80s, and he saw what you described as like a chimpanzee playing on it, and then many years

“later you're running to this thing. How far away is the distance between those two places?”

As a crow flies, it's probably somewhere around an ace of a mile, maybe a little bit, maybe a little better. I wish it would have been, you know, five years later, excited at a decent smartphone with the all-camera on it, but it wasn't, and I didn't. Yeah, I hear you. Let me ask you, when you were looking at the face, would you kind of describe the face of this thing that you were looking at? Yes, like as I was saying, you know, from here of these traditional sightings and, you know,

renderings, people have done drawings, whatnot. It didn't look like that. Like I said, the eyes were way sunk back in the back of his head, his nostrils were, you know, were wide, but again, kind of counter-sunk into the skull. It was just really, really bizarre. He had more of a mouth

bangering, and he wasn't, you know, other than hopping and breathing, he wasn't, you know,

like, I hate to go back to primates because that's the only reference point I have. He did curl his upper lip a couple times and, you know, in primates, that's a sign of, you know, aggravation or annoyance, you know, everyone thinks I'll cue the Champions smiling, no, on the Champions nervous or aggravated. And he was, like I said, he did a couple times, curl that upper lip and you could see clearly see canines and, you know, typical looking teeth,

but nothing that really stands out. I mean, they weren't really huge, you know, I mean, they were scalable to the body frame, but they didn't have these, you know, big canines or, you know, incisors that people talk about it. Now, like I said, he had more of a human face with, like

“at the warm human face is the best way I could describe it as. And he was doing that and all”

as a male because he was doing a keynote display and I'm, you know, I'll try to keep it family friendly here, but, you know, what, what Champions doing are displaying, right? Yeah, I appreciate you keeping it family friendly. I do know what you're talking about. Yeah, he was very similar with a much larger feature than a Champions, obviously. It was just bizarre. And I know we're in 2009 now and the other encounter was in the 80s. Did you know what you were

looking at or were you just kind of thinking, I ran into some weird monster? On, like I said, after I, you know, saw that juvenile, I started doing a lot of homework, especially, you know, when the internet came out and he came, you know, a good database. So I was positive of what I was looking at, but what threw me, especially hindsight was, you know, what? It wasn't this big hairy strapping beast that, you know,

you hear about all the time. It was really quite freaky, like I said. And, you know, maybe he was weird compared to others, you know, we've got to go back to what Johnny said, you know, Johnny Ridlin said.

I'd never said a word to him about it. He just told me, watch out for this dragonly looking

“one. I think he's a mongolid. So, you know, I, Johnny passed away that same year. I wish I could actually”

talk to him a little more. Maybe he knew more than most, you know, then you would think because he lived less than half a mile from this peace land. So, you know, it's hard to say, but I, I would say that it's something that just did not be on right with it. It wasn't like, you know, I was being chased out by a bear because, you know, they look nice and healthy. This thing wasn't right. I don't know. I said, maybe it was mongolid or I don't know. It's like I said, I don't have a good baseline

comparison, but it didn't seem right at all. And I know you went back and found those tracks, but beyond that, have you ever gone back to this location? I don't get back there much now, sense in the gentleman that owned it passed away, and it's now part-state worst. So, they logged off a bunch of it. I, I've been back a few times, sense in and nothing happened.

“And, you know, I went back then. I looked for tracks and whatnot. Yeah, I had never found anything.”

Let me ask you, Jake, you know, I've interviewed many hunters and it kind of affects everyone differently. Some hunters kind of give up hunting. Other hunters don't. But, especially after having these two encounters, how did this kind of affect you? It makes me a lot more alert. I'm

the way to and from my dear stand, believe me. And, you know, for the first two, three years,

you know, I'm one of those guys that I'm out there, good hour or daylight. Just like I said, mass my sentence, and you know, get the woods nice and quiet and the critters run around in early morning, you know, birds chirping and whatnot. And that doesn't happen unless you're out there, well before daylight. And make sure they twice about walking out there in the woods on a trail, you know. And I was one of those people that I would have

little reflectives, you know, stickers on the tree. I would put on every year, like my flashlight on for a second and shut it up. As I see the reflective trail through there, make sure you're on it the right way. Make sure, think long and hard about, you know, heading out at, you know, quarter the six in the morning when it doesn't get daylight until seven. Yeah, nothing wrong with being more aware of your surroundings and being more alert of what's going on around you.

When it pushed you, do you think it was trying to hurt you?

I could take you on any time I wanted to type of mentality. I mean, that's, that's kind of what I, again, hindsight, that's kind of what I took from it. Yeah, I'm not sure how I would have reacted

“with it, pushing me, especially being armed. I think I would have started shooting. I think”

it had been so pissed off. And that's just ego talking. I've seen them. I probably wouldn't have done anything. Even being straggly looking and we're looking, you could have slammed me like a twig. And I'm, you know, at the time, I'm still, I'm six, four. Not that time. I was extremely bit and, you know, 240 pounds of solid muscle and I, I have no doubt that's trying to think it'll, busted me up. Yeah, it's easy to be tough and talk a big game until you run into one.

And then that ego seems to fall apart pretty quick. You know, going back to your first

encounter, I know he said, do you thought chimpanzee? Kind of think that's where my mind would have gone to, like, is there a chimper here running loose? But in Minnesota, that makes no sense.

“Until I heard the roar, I thought, you know, somebody's illegal pet got away.”

And that's the, is the very first thing I thought. But once I heard that roar, I knew that was not the case. And plus, like I said, you know, I got a good, I don't know, three to five minutes of looking at it until it started making that whimpering noise. And, you know, I'm so when it was mama that did the roar. And then, like I said, after a good, good close look at them, there's no way that was a, a champ or a, you know, mom, gorilla or any type of, you know,

natural known A. The torso was too long. Like I said, hardly any hair on the arms, but the torso and head were matted, matted, fuzzy type hair. You know, there's no way that could have been a known brand. And I might have missed that in the beginning, but it obviously had seen you.

“That's why it was whimpering right before you heard that roar. Yeah, that's what I said before.”

It one, it finally little saw me. And I just did, you know, that was for, you know,

what much lower deeper and louder. That's when the roar from hell came blasted across the web. So yeah, roar from hell is a good way to put it. It'll want you to know where you stand in life pretty quick. You know, it'll, it'll definitely check your ego. Let me ask you out of all the years of hunting this area. Have you ever seen the light? Um, I've seen, yeah, I've seen that a couple times. And like I said in my youth before these

sightings, but there's, like I said, this is a nasty, on the edge of a, right in the middle is a nasty

box, want to run through there. And I always, you know, but that up is this charged methane,

because there's a lot of it there that comes out. So it's not the case. I don't know. But yes, I've drawn two occasions, usually when it was foggy early morning, I saw lights up there. Like I said, it's hard to describe without, you know, having a visual of the way this would to set up. But imagine a nice big ridge at the bottom is a massive god-oppel swamp that goes on for miles. And, you know, you've got, I don't know, probably 150 yards or, you know, maybe 200 meters of

up here, fog till it's standing water swamp. And you know, a lot of beaver dams, and you know, that kind of paints the picture, something right out of you see out of the middle of nowhere in Alaska, a little looks like. And both occasions, like I said, it was early morning, every fog on their own, you know, coming up out of the swamp was Orbs and, I'd say, the first time was about 300 meters. Second time was about pork pity and glass them with my binoculars. And, like I said, I rationalized it as,

you know, methane. And they were clearish blue and at that distance without binoculars to the naked eye, I would say they were eight inches to working inches diameter, target gauge at that distance, you know, but from that level, it's like to be, to me, from that at that distance. You know, if I could have been like I said, they look much bigger with binoculars, most, you know, I'd say about 20 inches to maybe 30, what's with my 10-40 blue poles.

I don't know. Like I said, I'm a engineer. I've studied it. I have no, no rational explanation

“work. I mean, like I said, when I saw that I was a lot younger before I was, you know, highly educated.”

Yeah, I just, oh, that's this methane blah blah blah. And, you know, due to my research on methane, it doesn't do that, so at least not in that color. So I don't know what it was. Well, let me ask you, Jake, you know, being an engineer and kind of having a scientific mind, I've seen the lights on two occasions. And on both occasions, I can tell you that I had the feeling like this thing was watching me as much as I was watching it. It seemed to be intelligent,

and I really have no way to measure that or really articulate that more than a feeling. But you'll often hear that from eyewitnesses to where when they run into these balls of lights, they'll say that. They'll say this thing seemed to be very intelligent. It seemed to be controlled as it was moving around. This wasn't something random, like methane gas or something natural, but you also find where hunters will run into them in the woods. And they'll

describe these weird balls of light that they run into. I just wish I was a great answer. I wish I could give our great answer to someone a natural explanation being like, oh,

“it's x, y, and z. That's what people are actually seeing. But I don't know that I can.”

And the lights really caught my attention when I would talk to eyewitnesses who have these creatures on their property. Usually the conversation would go, you know, they would tell you

about the encounter and running into these creatures. And then they would always in the conversation

with, oh, and by the way, I'm also seeing these weird balls of light. Sometimes people run into these lights, and there's no sask watch around. There's nothing really weird going on beyond these weird lights. And other times, it seems like they hang around. We're in countershap and or on people's property. As far as being an engineer and kind of having that scientific mind, what is it you think people are actually seeing? I'm at a loss. I don't know. I mean, you know, I mean,

I'm going to say this. It can only be something extraterrestrial or something. I mean, they don't move logically enough to be in that company from what I've researched. You know, the main thing that draws my suspicion about these lights is the fact that they sure seem to show up a lot when these creatures are around or around areas where these creatures

are being seen. Like I said earlier, man, the first time you really captured my attention was

when people would describe having these creatures on their property. And then they're like, oh, and by the way, I'm also seeing these weird lights. And that's when I was like, wait a minute, tell me about these weird lights. We'll get to Bigfoot in a second. And it would happen over and over and over again in interviews. And like I said, I've seen them twice. And I'll send you the video

“if you want to watch it of the one me or my brother captured. It was in that area where we saw”

those creatures, not at the same time, completely different time. We're nothing happened, but we just saw this weird light. And it was just this ball of light. And it was blue in the in the video, everything's chrome green because it was shot with a night vision camera. And then the other one that I saw was that the Browns property wasn't blue. But in both occasions, I can tell you, I just had a feeling like this thing is watching us. This thing is intelligent. And again,

I have no way to measure that out of kind of explain myself when I say that it was just more of a feeling. And the one I saw at the Browns property wasn't blue. It was kind of, and I know you and I kind of grew up around the same time frame. It was kind of an orange. I remember those crappy flashlights in the 80s. And they had the kind of that orange yellowish light to them. Yeah, I know exactly. One of that took two double these exactly. And they had that orange kind of a dull light. You

think those batteries would pump out more light, but they never did. And I mean, that's kind of what

we saw at the Browns property. I don't get it. I don't get why these lights show up or what they are.

logic to it. And it's like I'm coming up with a blanket. I don't know. Yeah, I just hate it when I witness this come on. And they're like, what are these lights? No clue. Why are they showing up on our property when Sasquatch shows up? Great question. No clue. It's frustrating, man. Let me ask you, in both occasions, you got to really get a look at both of these creatures. Ask everyone on the show. What do you

think they are? And because you got such a good look, what do you think these creatures actually are? Well, obviously they're definitely flesh and blood from least what I saw. I mean, do I be here about the shape you have for stuff? I really don't buy into a lot of that, but again, I like facts, though. I don't know. I mean, like I said, I would definitely say they're flesh and blood. If there's some other aspect of them, I don't know. But I like I said,

I definitely think they're flesh and blood. I don't think they should be messed with. I think they should be respected in this lot alone. Just like I said, I think it'll mess me up

bad. I would've never known until it was happen. And I'm not easy to sneak up on, boy. Me.

“Yeah, I agree with you. I think that they are flesh and blood. Would you say they're more animal?”

Would you say they're more human? I would say they're more animal. I said that the character I saw at least they adult. I said, I believe that going out for what Johnny warned me about, I think there was something wrong with this one, and the biology pool, like you know, I'd say mongloiter or retard, or you know, however you want to work you want to use for that. I think this one was off compared to what a normal one would probably be. See, it looked too weird,

it acted too weird. I mean, there was no logic at all to what he was doing. Me, like I said, he wasn't, if he was trying to bluff charge me, he would've came up a lot closer than what he did. You know, in time he got closer when he was behind me, and I wasn't aware of his presence after that he kept his distance. So he wasn't scared of me, but he also wasn't being that aggressive. I mean, I believe his body language was aggressive. Like I said, it's really hard to put, you know,

actual description of what he was doing, and I haven't never seen it before or so. You know,

“the only thing I really have to compare this with would be known primates, and I'm not saying”

Sasquatch is by any means, and known primate, but I don't know how else to compare this. A lot of times when you'll see like chimpanzees or gorillas, they don't just like bum rush you and attack you, it's almost like they can have to work themselves up or work up the courage to kind of attack you. And you'll see it with chimps to where they'll do a display, even gorillas, they'll do this weird display, and then they'll attack you. I almost wonder if that's what he was doing.

When you kind of rush towards you and then back off, rush towards you and then back off, I almost wonder if he was like working up the courage to actually attack you. That could be, I mean, I know exactly what you're talking about. Like I said, primates have been on in first of mine whole life since I was a kid since I first saw him at the zoo, and I've actually studied primates long before this happened, just my interest of primates, not

big but, and yeah, that's that's actually running into my head as I was trying to get out of there with him doing this was, you know, especially with chimpanzees. He'll give you that ball sensor security, and you know, while they're hair standing up and they're all aggravated, they'll turn

“their head away. Yeah, that's what I was thinking was, is this thing that's trying to give me”

a ball sensor security that, you know, he's just here and not really going to do anything. I mean, between, you know, to be honest with you, that's what I was thinking

as I was trying to get out of there was, is he this building up for the big charge, but it never

came. He just, once I had the road, he just occurred. Let me ask you, Jake, if you had the chance, would you ever want to see another one? Yeah, yes, as long as I was well armed, and I'm not talking about a 30, 30 year. I mean, these things are, you know, even him, you know, he was big and the other, you know, rendering that scene. You know, it's, it's going to take more than nine millimeter to take this thing down. So, as long as I was well armed, I had a three,

three, eight, Lapua, and my 500 special lesson. I'd be a pretty secure and seeing one,

like to see another one, but maybe from a helicopter or holding a rifle, I would love to see another

one. It's probably a terrible thing to say, but this kind of high fill, and you're an educated man, Jake, but why is it, you think we haven't been able to catch up with them?

“Well, let's, if you weigh that down in the pure science, okay, the only thing that can really”

catch anything without, you know, any without being able to mask it as thermal, because, I mean, you can hide from thermal, as I'm sure you probably know, but if you hide from the thermal, now you've got a glossy look in the block, okay? So, you're still detected even if you're not detectable. So, I, I think, once, as thermal keeps getting better and better and better each year,

by leaps and bounds, I think it's just a matter of time. I think that there are products of their

environment, and they know it well. I mean, the masters of camouflage. So, I mean, I can, I've had people walk within five feet of me and what's in the, I know, idea was there. We're in a gilly suit, you know, during the ballage time here, and they were completely clueless, and I could

“reach out and touch them. So, and I don't live in the woods, I think, that they're familiar with their”

own house, and it's just a matter of time. I think as thermal gets better, especially with these drones, where we're going to be able to get some dark core proof here, in my opinion. I just think, like I said, it's just they're, they're good at hiding in their own house. Like, you know, you are in our own yard, our garage, we can hide from, you know, say a lot of enforcement or whatever, until they tore the place apart. I mean, I think they're just a good product for their own environment,

and I think it is just a matter of time. You know, I don't, I don't know necessarily believe that one has to be killed to, you know, prove it. I think as the special thermal thermal doesn't lie, so I think as that gets better, it's just a matter of time before, they can't hide as well,

“as I think they do. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. It seems like a lot of work, though,”

to catch up with something we've been chasing forever. It doesn't seem like it would take that much work, but you know, who knows, hopefully one day it will be solved. I'll tell you

what's strange about these creatures. You know, like in your situation, especially that second one,

Jake, if it were to be a bear or a cougar, and most of the time they'll flee from you, but if they don't, they're going to hand it to you. And a lot of times that these creatures, even when they're aggressive, which I will consider that second encounter, very aggressive, rarely does anyone get killed or even really hurt. And that's strange when you compare it to like normal wildlife. Some of the things that either have a weird humanity in them, I don't know.

Well, I would say, you know, like I said, even with the one I saw the adult if, you know, even if there was something wrong with him mentally, he didn't, like I said, he didn't want me there, but there was no, didn't seem anyway other than, you know, what was already in my head from studying primates, you know, my preconceived notions of like what a chimpanzee would do versus what he was doing. And, you know, the logic I can put to that part was, like I said,

what I've studied on chimps because it was a very similar deception before attack, you know what I mean? So, I don't think they, they just want to be left alone, I think, in my opinion. Yeah, need to be right, Jake. You know, I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share these two encounters with us. There's many times where I've talked to hunters who've had their tree stands like torn down and like wrapped around a tree. I mean, there's no way humans

doing that, but it was insightful, man. I appreciate your time and I really enjoy chatting with you. Yeah, there's, there's absolutely no way that the damage done to that deer stand was done by a human. So, they had a chain on it and a nylon studio, a backup safety strap around it, and a chain, the loop and screw were broken and tore off and the nylon backup strap was actually ripped. So, no way a guy did that. I wasn't caught with him. I was too afraid for that. So, it was torn.

Yeah, I believe, yeah. This sounds like other witnesses that I've talked to who kind of described the same thing, but I appreciate coming on again, Jake. Oh, no problem.

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