The Shedding is Over

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I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season two podcast.

This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years

until a confession changed everything. - I was a monster. - Listen to burden of guilt season two on the "I Heart Radio" app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast "Doubt,"

the case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story? - Out of space at first.

- The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed.

“- What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe?”

- Oh my God, I think she might be innocent. Listen to doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, on the "I Heart Radio" app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

- This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world. - The sixth bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS,

and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. - Listen to the sixth bureau on the "I Heart Radio" app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. - I'm Clayton Eckard, in 2022,

I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. - But here's the thing. Bachelors fans hated him. - If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. - That's when his life took a disturbing turn.

A one-night stand would end in a courtroom. (dramatic music) The media is here, this case has gone viral. - The dating contract. - Agreed a date mean, but I'm also suing you.

- This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. - I'm Stephanie Young,

listen to the love trapped on the "I Heart Radio" app,

Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. - Scrubbing in with Beckettilly and Tanya Rad, an "I Heart Radio" end two times, people's choice award-winning podcasts. (upbeat music)

- Hello everybody! - We are scrubbing in! - And that's scrubbing in life with my scrubbing in life. - That's right, we're back. - Actually, did you see the comments

about how when Robby suggested that was he... - Yeah, referring to me is why you say that. - Yeah, I think so. - Oh, but I think it still applies. - Like a work wife situation.

- Yeah, I should've got you got you got you. - I was like, I don't know.

“- I think he was, like he created it for himself.”

- Right. - Which was cute. He did his homework. - Totally cute. - Yeah.

- I mean, just that I'll take that. - Thank you so much. - Thanks for your service. - Yeah, I'm gonna run with that. - Yeah.

You were out sick last week. - I was. - Down for the count. - I was. - There's a lot of stuff going around.

- It's crazy. - Yeah. - Haley, how's it again? - No. - I feel like she got it.

I avoided it. You got it. I didn't avoid it. - I didn't give it to you. - Well, I was in the studio with you on Monday.

- Far away from me. - Close enough. - Talking at each other. - When was going in my direct show? - I was sitting next to Cisney for twice as long

and she didn't get it. - She just kids. She has a armor strong immune system. - I was sitting next to Mark for twice as long. He didn't get it.

- He also has kids. - Better like adults. Kids are kids. - Anyways, I had a feeling you blamed me for that. - No, I'm just kidding.

I really didn't. Because I went to Disneyland. - Oh yeah. - That's what took me down. - Yeah.

- But it was fun. - A lot of sex into Disneyland. - Just because of your paranoia about it. - I tried to be really respectful when I'm sick. - Me too.

“That's why I was like, listen, you just got better and whatever's going around.”

It seems like you can just catch again. - Yeah. So, Becca wasn't feeling it on Monday, so we're like, let's postpone the podcast to Tuesday and then Tuesday rolled around and she wasn't feeling me better. So I did it with Mark, but I saw a lot of scuttled in the Facebook group about how

when we post-pone the podcast, we don't give them a heads up. - Oh, I see that. - Oh, I see that. - They're right and I'm going to start being better about that and I took that upon myself and here we are to do what?

- To make sure we alert people if we're not going to do a podcast on Monday. - Oh. - Is that it? - Yeah. - Mark beautifully yesterday.

- Yes. - Yes. - Oh, yeah. - I will Sam Crystal, somebody posted it on the scrubbing in, but last week I like texted Sam and I was like, "Hey, can we be better about when we're not going to record on

Monday?" - Oh, that's what we're doing. - Letting people know because people look forward to it and we want to keep those

We want to keep them happy, you know?

- Totally. - Yeah.

“And if Mondays are like their day to listen to scrubbing, yeah.”

It's like when I get home and I'm ready excited to watch Levi-land and then I turn it on and it's unseen bits, I'm like, "Oh, no, no, no, no!" - But you still watch. (laughing) - One thing about you, you don't watch.

- Yeah, it depends on the day, but it's such a bummer. So it's like I understand you and I hear you and taking accountability and we're going to be better. - We'll be better. - Yeah.

- There has been a lot of missed Mondays. - Well, I guess there was a holiday. Like everyone was off and sometimes they have like their pre-recorded episodes for those days, so I understand like sometimes even that they know it's a holiday, there's expectations because other, sometimes we do a pre-recorded Monday holiday episodes.

- Well, we've had like two Monday holidays and then you were sick, I had surgery, it's just been a lot. - It's been a long time. - It's been a long time. - And it just give a little peek behind the curtain to get you guys behind the scenes

of scrubbing in. A lot of your other podcasts, your favorite podcasts were cord like five days before it aired. - They batch them, right?

- Scrubbing in, this stuff is almost life, where we're recording it, where we're putting

it up as soon as we can. We recorded it in the afternoon, typically, and then there's some production time. - Yeah, a couple hours. - Yeah. - I have to click and upload it.

I mean, that takes me four or five hours at least. I got to drag something. I got to click and I'm just kidding. - This thing got long. - It's like, I feel like they go up pretty fast.

“- Yeah, yeah, but that's why that posting time is kind of inconsistent on Mondays.”

Because we're doing it live, baby. - But yeah, we're not batching. We're not a batch point. - And nothing against batch podcasts, you know what you got to do. - That's not our, M-O, like that's not our, what's it called?

Like our, our show isn't batched. - Well, it's not like a, it's not the batched life. - It's not the batched life. - It's not the batched life. It's not the batched life.

It's not the batched life. It's not the batched life. It's not the batched life. It's not the batched life. It's not the batched life.

It's not the batched life. It's not the batched life. It's not the batched life. It's not the batched life. It's not the batched life.

It's not the batched life. It's not the batched life. - That's the structure because we're talking about our lives and what happened within the last few days. - A couple days, yeah.

So, anyway, it's a little bit about us. - Well, thanks for taking that on. - That's what I like. - You know, I'm taking a lot on because it's the lunar new year. It's the year of the horse.

- Oh, the day is the first day.

- Yes. - Are you feeling horsey? - I'm so happy for this. Like, you've no idea. - Yeah.

- I am ready for this snake to be done. - This shedding really shed this year. - Oh, yeah. - Lots of shedding. - Lots of shedding.

- And the shedding's over and it's time for a new. - Well, you talked about your mojo coming back last week. Where's the mojo at right now? - Pretty good. - Like, where was it the start of the year?

- One to ten. - Ten being negative 10. - Oh my god. - It's bad. - Not bad.

- Very bad. - Okay, and we're just going to see surgery will do that to you. - Yeah, yeah. - It's free to tear knees. (laughs)

- And where are we now? - A five. - Okay. - Not bad. - Well, I mean, that's a 15 point.

- Yeah. - Room for improvement, but not bad. - Okay, okay. - That's okay. - What have you done that's like bringing it back?

- Um, I guess just time. - Oh. - I think time heals. - I think time heals. I'm also getting into more like a rhythm.

I'm just like feeling a little bit more like myself. So. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Okay, great.

- Yeah. - Happy to hear that. - Yeah, I had a nice... I don't try to make like a, I'm trying to make a reference.

I'm trying to make it in you end up. - I'm on the edge of my seat for the story. - Oh yeah. - I'm feeling... - Yeah.

- I'm on the edge of my seat. - Yeah. I had a nice baseball game, home run, if you will. - Oh, I see you. - Oh, okay.

- That really brought me back. - Yeah. - Right. - You guys? - Yeah.

- That'll do it. - And I'll do it. Um, it's a little bit about me, but um... (laughs) I feel like a lot has happened because when you weren't here

last week, the girls like girls trailer came out. - Yeah. - And then you guys saw on the theaters. So there was like a lot to catch up on. - Oh my gosh, last week was crazy.

And for Haley, um... So the poster came out on Monday. And that was like a, that was so cool. Because obviously, the process has been really interesting because I knew nothing about what goes into the movie process

and like, you know, when it's going to theaters and writing the poster. - No, I know nothing. - So cool. Like, it's such a fun process.

And it's like narrowing down the options that she was sent like so many different,

“just posters that had different feelings, you know?”

- Yeah. - And so when they landed on multiple posters, oh, that she got to pick from. - She got to choose, I think it was like her top and then like everyone kind of collectively came together

to pick one, you know? And so that was really exciting. And then obviously she was so nervous about the trailer coming out because she's been working.

And basically, after that is when she started working

on the concept and the script and everything in the book. And so it's been kind of a 10 year journey or 11 years and she's put so much into it. And so I think it coming out and being everyone else's and them getting to have opinions or, you know,

it's made me think about things in a very different way because I think about Haley and like how much time has gone into this movie specifically, right? - Yeah. - And how much I talk on like a lot of TV shows

and movies that I watch and I'm like, this is like somebody's baby that they've spent so much time on and I'm just sitting here being like, it's I know, but you know what? I also, there's that, but then there's the opposite

“where I'm able to, that's what I use when she's,”

you know, worried about our people going to like it or what if people don't think it's good and I'm like, you have to think, people were complaining about, I think Margot Robby's like one of the most beautiful humans

in the world and people had opinions about her playing Catherine in weathering height. It's like they wanted, they wanted, they wanted someone younger, they pictured someone different.

It's just like people are always gonna have opinions.

And when there's already been a music video attached to girls like girls and there's a book attached to girls like girls that's like people have come up with this idea, it's gonna play it, they're just gonna be opinion. So I think if anything, it's kind of like art is subjective

and it's like, some people are gonna be like, this changed my life and like I've never gotten to see myself portrayed on a big screen and some people will be like, it wasn't for me because they might not be a gay girl who struggled with her sexuality as a teenager.

- Right. - But it also changed my perspective too because I'm like, while these people that release films that took forever and if they don't do well and they're just getting engaged by their critics,

it's really sad because I've seen how much just like, she's poured everything into this. - I know, I know. I know, think about how Ryan Murphy thought when what was the show with all the celebrities

Tiana Taylor, Kim Kardashian, Glenn Close, they got like a zero on Ron Tomatoes. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, they liked it. - I liked it, but still like that like totally shot of him, but I liked it.

- Yeah, I liked it. - Yeah, I liked it. Ryan Murphy's doing just fine.

“- He has a quick turnaround for this show as a budget, right?”

- Right, right, right. - It's good for Nita, though, because people are like, oh my god, the movie was so bad, and it's like, it takes so much work to make a movie. - Oh my gosh, I'm sorry.

- Just make it happen at all, you know? - The money that went into that cast, yeah. But it was really cool 'cause we went on Friday night because she found out, so Hayley knew that it was coming to trail, it's gonna be shown in movie theaters.

But she didn't know that the trailer was gonna be shown before movies are like in multiple theaters. She thought she was gonna have to take her like poster that she had at home, put it into like the one of the glasses and a local theater and my take pictures a bit.

- Oh. - So they told her it was showing before weathering heights, and she was like, where, like in what theater, and they're like in Regal and AMC theaters. So she's like, we have to go see it.

So we got like a huge group of people on Friday night to go watch it, and we're so bomb that we couldn't be there. - I know. - I know it was so bomb, but it was so crazy because it's like, devil wears product, hunger game.

- No, it's crazy. - These massive movies, and then it's like girls like girls

“and it's just, it's, I can't remember that.”

- So that play in front of weathering heights, like across the country, all weekend. - Yes. - It's kind of playing in front of like, you know, she said it's playing in front of like,

all these huge new movies coming out. - No, weathering heights did like crazy while this weekend. - I mean, it's like a lot of eyeball saw the trailer. - I know. - I know.

- So it's going to see weathering heights just as a trailer. - I know.

- Well, I always, of course,

I'm like walking into the theater as the movies about to start, but it made me go like, everyone needs to go and sit. - Oh, I'm always there. I'm always there for every preview. - No, I like to, I try to, but I just never make it.

- Yeah. - But it was, it's so exciting. I'm so proud of her. - And like, what a cool, I don't know. I can't imagine sitting there wondering,

I guess never thinking that it was going to come out. And then it's shown before like one of the biggest movies of the year right off the bat. - It's so crazy because, again, I don't know nothing about movies or movie making.

And I know that Hayley's been working on this. And for some reason, it's like, you know, you envision somebody like, it looks like all these other big movies out there. And I guess I had a different impression that it was going to look like, I don't know what I got.

I'm like, I know what you're guess. So I know what I saw the trailer. I was like, oh my God. - It's a feature film. - It's a feature film.

- I know. - It's literally like a movie in the theaters that is giant and so beautiful. Even Robbie was like the color and the tone

He was like so impressed.

“And I was like, yeah, I don't know what I was expecting.”

- Look at that. - That was a project. (laughing) - Like a school movie project. - Yes.

- But I know not, not meaning that to come across in any way. Like other, I was just so shocked. - But when you know someone, like you were like, I'm creating a feature film. I'd be like, okay, right.

- It makes that make me (laughing) I'm like an Instagram reel. - I don't know. - Like that's like, oh, you know what I'm saying. The trailer's gonna be, I'm not kidding.

When she got the trailer for the first time,

I was like fully sobbing as soon as the, - On the witherine. - And the witherine. - And the witherine. - It's at the right moments.

It gave me chills. - I know. - And that rendition of the song is like, it's different, right? - Yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, yeah. - Or orchestral. - Or orchestral. - Yeah, yeah. - It's beautiful.

- I do wanna talk about something

“'cause I think I may have said something wrong”

last week and I got a fiery DM about it. - One DM? - What? - Yeah, it was just my person, but I was like, oh my gosh, if this is how they interpreted it,

I don't want anybody to interpret it that way. So we're gonna get into it after the break. - Oh nice. (upbeat music) (crowd cheering)

- I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim of a random crime.

- He pulls the gun. Tells me to lie down on the ground. - He identified Chamaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Chamaine was sentenced to 99 years. - And like, Laura, this can't be real.

I thought it was a mistaken identity. - The best lie is partial truth. - For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. - I was a monster.

- Listen to burden of guilt season two on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. - In 2023, a story gripped the UK of looking horror and disbelief.

- The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. - Everyone thought they knew how it ended. - A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Lettby.

- Lucy Lettby has been found guilty. - But what if we didn't get the full story? - A moment you look at the whole picture in the case of collapses. - I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast doubt,

the case of Lucy Lettby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it. To ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Lettby was. - No voicing of any skepticism are doubt.

- It'll cause so much harm at every single level at the British establishment of this is wrong. - Listen to doubt the case of Lucy Lettby on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

- I'm Clayton Nackard, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. - Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan.

He became the first bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected.

The internet turned on him. - If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. - But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines? It began as a one night stand and ended in a courtroom

with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. - The media is here, this case has gone viral. - The dating contract. - Agreed to date me, but I'm also suing you. - We're such smart.

- This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. (dramatic music) - I'm Stephanie Young, this is Love Trapped. - This season, an epic battle of he said she said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies.

- I've done nothing to get pregnant by the (beep) Brassler. - Listen to Love Trapped on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. (dramatic music)

- Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of The On Purpose Podcast. I'm joined by Luke Combs, award winning country music artist, and one of the most authentic voices in music today. Luke opens up about success, self-doubt, mental health, and what it really takes to stay true to who you are

when your life changes overnight. - I hate fame, I hate the word celebrity, hate those words, that you make me uncomfortable.

“- But I think when you get to a certain point,”

the fame or the success or the influence, it just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are.

- The guy that says he's always gonna be there

and that will do anything to be there is the only guy

- I'm in Australia when Beau is born.

“My whole identity is that no matter what,”

I'm gonna prioritize my wife and my children. Over my job, I dread the conversation with my son. - What do you think you'd say? - Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. (dramatic music) - And we're back. - I didn't get to beat you to it. - Sorry.

- Okay. - Well I've been wanting to tell you this story and actually didn't send you the DM 'cause I wanted to address it on the podcast in case somebody else also thought

that I, what I meant bad by this. - Okay. - But I got this DM up some of you basically being like, I can't believe your friends with Hayley and Becca, why would you say that?

So you know how in the trailer it says, only in theaters, June, is it June 19th? - June 19th, only in theaters June 19th. - Okay.

- I guess I'd never pay attention to things that,

but apparently they all say only in theaters June 19th. So in my mind I was like, is it only in theaters that day? Like, I can't beat you. Like, what do you have to go to? - I will defend you, Tony.

That only in theaters I think is a new, because it's streaming. - So that's when we got to Mark was like, I think it's so that they know it's not gonna be streaming and I was like, oh, that makes more sense.

- Yeah, it was like, why would it be in theaters one day? Like, that doesn't make any sense. So I was like, explaining that. We're having this back and forth and somebody got really mad at me about saying

that I would think it would only be in theaters one day and how dare I. And I was like, this was literally just like a legit mistake. I didn't know. - Yeah.

- I've never heard that. And then what's really funny is now, every time we see a commercial, Robbie always points out to me. He's like, only in theaters only in theaters.

I'm like, I guess I've just never paid attention to that.

I was like, the wording is so weird.

“- It probably is 19, but that's what you need to do though”

because there's so many also massive movies that come straight to streaming. - Right. - So it's like, if you wanna see this, you better get to the theater.

- Right. - Let me just say scrubbers, I know what you can do. I know what happens when you show up in numbers. - That's what happens when you show up in numbers. - You're not a teenager.

- But not only June 19, you can go out there and talk to her, but opening weekend. - Yeah, basically we're opening weekend. - But yeah, so I really wanted to clarify that

because I was like, I didn't mean anything that was totally simple mistake and I love Haley and I'm not trying to like bash the movie at all. - I don't think Haley heard and I also think that she would never think anything of that.

- Okay. - So the person who deemed Tanya all as well. - Lay off, back off, back off. - What do you all do for Valentine's Day? - So we actually ended up going to Mammoth this weekend.

Robby's birthday is Friday. - Oh, fun. - And we went up to Robby's Love language is skiing with his family. Like that's all he wants to do in his life.

And I'm not great at it, but actually I'm pretty good, like I can keep it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can keep up. But so we went to Mammoth for the weekend. So that's kind of what we did Friday.

I was amazing. Like I was, who's like a famous skier, Tanya Harding. - Ice skier? - Yeah, I can't even single skier, why? - Ice skier.

- Sean White of skiing. - Ice skier? - Ice skier? - Yeah, ice skier. - Ice skier, yes.

- I was like Lindsay Vaughn up there.

“I was just going down the mountain like just so good, right?”

- Right. - Beautiful skies, not too cool. I was just like, had my warm chili for lunch. Then the next day, the lines were so long and I ended up needing new boots

'cause they were a little bit big for me. So the line was super long. So it was waiting for like two hours. And I get, so Robby's like, if we upgrade to these performance things,

you can, the lines shorter. Upgrade my skis, upgrade my boots, and I realized performance skis. - Yeah. - They were very slippery.

And I like the minute I put them on, I was like, I knew it was going to be bad, but I was just like, I can't wait in another line to like switch the knots, like let's just go, I'm freaking Lindsay Vaughn, I got this.

I am slipping and sliding, I am tumbling, and then at, I'm just not, it's just not it. It's very bad. So then we have lunch and I was like, I think I'm gonna have to just do like

one more run and like call it on this last run. I like eat it, hurt my knee. - Oh my god. - And I just start bawling like a baby, like I'm like throwing a tantrum.

- No. - Yeah. - Robby's like, babe, we just gotta get down the mountain, and then we'll, I'll take you home. - I am not skiing anymore.

(laughing) - I'm fine. - I think he was built up. I didn't think it has anything to do with like the skiing. I think it was just like,

that's what triggered us. - Yes, I would just like had a meltdown. - Oh my god, it felt like I was acting like a teenager. - Anyways. - Younger than teenager.

- Yeah, a fibrill. - Yeah, a fibrill. - But I was also hurt, so it was like, "Well yeah, you're hurt, you're overstimulated by the clothes."

- No. - So then I just ended up pizzaing down the mountain. - Oh my, just pizzaing. - Yeah. - Is it how were you turn your season?

- Yes, it's like what they teach like, little children when they start skiing. Because I was just like, I don't want to fall again and I just want to get down. I just want to get to the room.

- So today's a little bit about my Valentine's Day.

- Wait, so I haven't, I've never been.

I've been snowboarding once like forever ago. And I barely remember the process of winning in lines.

“So you wait for two hours and then you get to go one time?”

- No, so just to rent. So if you own all your stuff, you just head out there and you're good. But I don't own any of my stuff so I have to rent. So the rentals, 'cause it was present day weekend.

So it's just busy weekend. Which was my bad. I should have done that after I realized my boots were big. I should have when I returned them, just got new ones. - Does Robby own his?

- Yeah. - So should you get some of your own so you can just take the slope? - It's so expensive and I do it like once a year. So it's like, what's the point? - But you know, just to not have to wait.

- Yeah, it might be. - 'Cause how much, if you're renting your, how much is it to rent every time? - It not as much as buying. - I mean, boots are like $700.

- Oh. - Yeah, it's not cheap. - Wow. - Yeah.

- I don't know much about this, that world.

- If nor do I. - I don't like, I get in the cold. I realize, when I went to New York for that job, I realized that I get so overstimulated with having to put on layers and being like bundled

and not being able to freely move. So I feel like the slopes would overstimulate me.

“- So I think that you need to give it a shot.”

I actually think that you would love it because it's cold out, but you're close. You, for, they make the clothes so warm that you're not cold. As long as you're covered with all of your gloves and stuff, you're not cold.

And it's crisp and fresh. And you're just like skiing down this mountain. It's so empowering. And you're like one with nature. Like it's really this exhilarating feeling

that I really can't explain. I think you would really like it. - Okay. - And it's like a workout too. - Maybe Robbie can, I'll go with y'all and Robbie can.

- Yes, he's a good teacher. - Yeah, and I think he's that's a little bit about. (laughs) - About what he does. - Yeah, how about your Valentine's Day?

- It was true. We woke up and did like, we got each other gifts and then we went and had a cute little lunch at this Italian restaurant and then kind of walked around

and then we just, like, games and watch TV and had a chill night. - That's fun. - That is nice. - Yeah, I made Haley a homemade cart.

- I am just like-- - Oh my god. - Yeah, it was amazing. - I am not a crap, like, I envy people who are crafters because it's such a skill

and I don't have it. Like, my handwriting's not good.

I just have never been super crafting creative like that.

But I found this video tutorial that this girl made on TikTok and I was like, I'm just gonna try because I was sick and I was like, I have time. So I'm just gonna like,

I ordered some left-handed scissors. By the way, have you had left-handed scissors? - My whole life. - What the heck? - You use right-handed scissors?

- No, I don't do it. - Like, jaggedy? - Yes. - The straight line. - No.

- How do you wrap gifts? - It's so hard. - Oh my god. - If you're creating it. - Yeah.

- So I get left-handed scissors. - I got 'em. Now I feel like a craft master. So I made it and she was like, she reacted so well 'cause I was so excited to give it to her

'cause I was like, I cannot believe I made this.

“I'm blown away by what I'm blown away by it too, honestly.”

And then she had, she was so excited. Like, she kept looking at it. I mean, like, if you would have just gotten me this, I would have been so excited. So it was fun to do that.

And then, yeah, the rest of the weekend, we went with her parents and her family to her brother and sister to go see the movie trailer on Sunday. So we did that.

And then, yeah, it was just kind of a rest of, we're all like, I got better and then Haley got sick again. It's been, I caught the word, the sick word. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, we like to lie.

- Like pulling, claw rugs and everything. - On Valentine's Day morning, we had the kids so I got like all of them. I made like, they're, I put all their favorite chocolates and like one of those like big hearts.

You know, like those little candy boxes. Heart boxes. So I got like their favorite candies and put them in like boxes. I had like cards for all of them. And then when we got home, they like,

Robbie and the kids tried to create like some sort of like home alone thing or like when I walk in the door trap. That there was like, hearts that like fell on. On my face and like, it didn't work. It was like this giant plaza.

I like walked in the door and like, what is that? And then like seven pulls this string and they come like fall down. So like, I know, I was, but I, because I, I didn't, I didn't know to play long.

And I was like, because I'm the ceiling. - Well, we could have been like, hey, when you come in. - Right, play long. - Yeah. - A little heads up, what have been asked?

- Yeah, he didn't take it. - Yeah, he did. - He did not. - But yeah, they like man home made cards and stuff. So it's cute.

- The whole family involved.

He's an else and what did Joel do?

“I know it's probably something really thoughtful.”

(both laughing) - We exchanged gifts and then I cooked dinner and then we went to, there's this place in Los Angeles called Heritage Square Museum and it's this really cool place where they took all these old homes from all over.

Something California and brought them all to this park.

So you can like walk up and out and see these like beautiful homes from like the 1800s, they're all just there. And they do a lot of like, they do like a free form Christmas thing there every year. - Right.

“- It's really, they do a lot of neat events”

but on Valentine's Day they did a ghost hunt in the houses. - How ran up romantic. - The ghost and found it, she's like, we have to do this. So we went and it was so fun because like, you get to go in these, these are like historic homes

and you get to like just poke around with like, you know, the little ghost detector thing.

And it was so funny because the first house we went into,

it was like, they're just kind of letting us like walk around and like see if we felt anything and like they were talking about the architecture of the house is built as a hexagon to, or an octagon sorry to allow like air flow, blah, blah, blah.

It was like historical kind of like a lesson thing. And in the second house we go in and this girl's like, I have this voice box that will like translate ghost voices. We turn all the, we turn all the lights off and we just hear, get out, get out of here.

It's like the scariest thing. but it was so scary. - It was so much fun. - Wait, so do people live in the home? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - Oh, it's just a museum. - It's just a museum now. But, so no one was living in there. - Yeah. - But, but people have like died in those houses and they all have like kind of spooky his dreams. - I love it. - Anyway, it was so fun. It was a great way it's been Valentine's Day. - Do you, okay, I saw this person in the Facebook group and I thought it was a good conversation to bring to the pod. So this girl posted, I think, or she posted it non-missely, and she was saying that she was just disappointed because she woke up in all day. - Oh, my God. - And I was like, oh, boy friend, her husband didn't get her anything, he didn't get her card, he didn't get her flowers, and she had made like a little gift basket for him, she got him flowers, she bought all the stuff to cook the dinner, and he didn't do anything.

“And I opened the comments and I was like a little bit surprised by the responses because a lot of the advice was like you should communicate this to him that you have expectations of what you want. - Well, it's wrong with that.”

- Because, okay, so my thing is, for a lot of things, I agree with like you have to communicate because there are things daily and I have different brain, our brains work differently, so there are things where I'm like, I have to communicate that if I have that expectation, I can't just expect her to read my mind. But when it comes to a universal holiday, like Valentine's Day, especially in a relationship and maybe I'm wrong for this, but where there's a man and a woman, I feel like the woman shouldn't have to communicate that she would like a card or flowers or something tiny to acknowledge the day.

So, I like agree with you, but I also feel like men are kind of dumb sometimes. - I present company excluded. - No, I agree with you. - There are several men that are just dimwits and they just don't like, there's a lot of comments that people being like, does he show up for you in life? Like, is he a good partner to you? And I think she was responding like, yes, she shows up or something like that and I'm like, that's what really matters. If this guy, like, doesn't, I don't know, I really for some reason, like, I was also one of those people that was like, can you, I think you need to either tell him that you like want to like celebrate Valentine's Day and like make it a thing, but if he's a good partner, like if he's like not a good partner and he's not showing up for you and he's not like acknowledging you and he's not making, you feel special on your birthday or like whatever.

Then he just sucks and you, like, that's to me a red flag, but like, I just, for some reason, I think some men Valentine's Day is just like, I just feel like I'm not trying to make it to be on the ground to have to like, like so much showing up for you, like if you choose to be in a relationship with someone, the bare minimum is showing up for each other. And that's why Valentine's Day, even though, here's the thing, I think Valentine's Day is like a capitalist, like, it's a, people spend, it's crazy. Like, what Valentine's Day has become and like, what it is, I think sometimes, I'm like, this just feels like an excuse for companies to make money.

Yeah, but I do think that our expectations should be a little bit higher for the people in our lives that we choose to spend our time with. Every where I was torn on on this one too, because I saw the same post and I was like, oh, like my knee jerk, it's to be like screw him, he sucks. But then I was like really thinking about it and I was just like, I do think some people are just like oblivious or like,

I just need to communicate that she expects, I gift on her birthday.

That is what I'm saying. Maybe like, maybe like, I think also maybe like he got overwhelmed and it's like, does she want to, like, do a big nice dinner, does she want to do a thing, like, what are your expectations? Some people want to be like, dazzled and dazzled. It seemed like they were not high. I seemed like if he had acknowledged the day that that would have been okay with her. We need to stop. I'm sorry. I hear you, Tanya, and I appreciate when people show up in life.

And you know, like if someone's a great partner and then they don't do anything for Valentine's Day, that doesn't automatically make them a bad partner. However, I went to the grocery store on Valentine's Day and bought flowers. It took me five minutes and a total of seven dollars and ninety nine cents. Like, that's all you have to do. You know, like, like, in some cases, all you have to do is get a bouquet of tulips. It will take two seconds. I'm going to give her your garden. You can let it out of your garden and pick a rose like you just put on their pillowcase.

That's all you have to make her card. It takes two seconds. I know. I'll do this leaf paper out and written a handwritten letter and I bet she would have been like, I feel so loved.

“I think that's what it is. It's like, I guess, and sometimes even when I have to communicate with Haley,”

I'm like, I'm annoyed that I have to communicate this with you because I don't feel seen that you don't already know this and then she's like, I get it. And I don't want you to not feel seen, but sometimes our brains don't work the same. So like, it's like communicating that, but when it comes to something that's so blatantly in your face and I do agree. Wow. I do. I think communication is key. I think people are just sometimes on totally different wavelengths. Like I don't think Robbie was like as like thoughtful and over like, you know what I mean?

Like he always makes me feel so special on like these things and like he shows up for me in ways and you know,

randomly bring me flot. You know what I mean? Like that type of stuff. I don't think he always had that in him. I think I showed him that like, I am that way and he wants to meet me where I am. Do you get what I'm saying? And I think he was a great guy. This girl bought give him past 20 years. Maybe next year he'll like see that and he'll want to meet her there. Like we don't know this could have been their first Valentine's day.

It seemed like it was their first Valentine's day. Oh, do you get him saying so like he doesn't know what he's never had.

“He's probably just like not even cared about this holiday is whole life.”

And then he can excuse his. And he probably feels like a total dim watt that he didn't have anything for he's embarrassed. He's just like whatever saying whatever to her. If you're listening anonymous, I need an update. Yeah, if he had if he seems disappointed in himself or if he made up for it with something else, the next day or the over the weekend.

Yeah, we need a little more on this. Maybe Sam can reach out on the face of the group. If there is a icing on me, I would extremely thoughtful, much more thoughtful than my gift was to her.

You actually got me this incredible sort of mint of gifts.

And Valentine's day, I don't mean to make this a gender because gender is a construct. And you know, people can solve it in different ways. But I feel like the man should get nothing and the woman should get a lot of attention and love and you know, and gifts and stuff. Like this is a holiday for that's supposed to be focused on women in my opinion. So the fact that he got a basket from her and she got nothing is like,

it's that mean, I don't know, I started screaming when I read this. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I don't want to make this worse than it already is, but like I was just like flabbergasted. No, I was not flabbergasted, not this. I was just like, let's open the lines. Let's expect more from people as my, my takeaway.

I think you expect less. Oh, no, no, no, it's bleak. You also have an extremely thoughtful partner. Me? Yeah. Who is like, so like, I think it's to expect less. No, yes, but what I'm saying is I don't think that is that was like who he was until he met me.

Do you get what I'm saying? Did you have to communicate that you wanted flowers on Valentine's day? No, but I let me tell you what I did. I write him cards every single day.

“Like I show up in a way where I think, but did you have to communicate that?”

Or did he just see what you were doing? And then said, let me match this. I don't remember if I'm being totally honest, but I've had to communicate a lot of expectations around like birthdays or things like that. Like, yeah.

Yeah. Well, we love a difference of opinion on this. So it makes it interesting. I'm saying anonymous, I was not flabbergasted. I am expect more.

You deserve more. You deserve. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. You don't expect less, but what is the saying like,

let people surprise you.

“I don't expect things that's when you get let down.”

You know, you have these like high expectations and then you just get totally let down. Yeah, but I don't think our expectations were high. Yeah. That's the thing. She wasn't like, oh my gosh,

she didn't take me on a romantic getaway. I know. If she said that, I'd be like, okay, like, did he, did he write you a card? Did he do something?

Does he show up for you?

It's not always going to be a romantic getaway.

I'm just saying some, some men need to be taught. I'm going to say something controversial here. Listen, if you're dating a guy early on and he starts, and it's like February 5th and he starts saying, man, Valentine's Day is just a, it's just a homework holiday to celebrate.

Be prepared for this man to suck. I heard women say that. Like women say that. And that's what I'm saying. It's just in the hall of the day.

And it's like, well, so like, it's not what it's not all what we all think it is. And if they believe that, if the woman, if someone says that and they mean it, but that's their truth who are we to poop with their truth. We have to take it for a second. Their partner is like poo pooing on it, and they're like, well,

I don't want to feel like I have any expectations. So I'm just going to, to not disappoint myself. I'm just going to say, yes, it's not. It's have made up holiday anyway.

Well, we'll never know the answer.

But Haley, like, Haley's favorite holiday is Valentine's Day. So I go, I'm like, I am not super, like, I'm not, I don't need a lot. I always get really tough because Robbie's birthday is always like a week after Valentine's Day. So it's like back to back.

“And I'm like, which one do I like go all out for, you know?”

It's the birthday spoiler alert. So you didn't do anything for Valentine's Day? No, I did. But for him and the kids, I got the chocolates and I brought them all cards. Oh, yeah, please.

Yeah. This poster has been, they've been together two years. By the way, this person. I'll read the post, really. We've talked about this, but did anyone else not receive flowers

or any sort of acknowledgement for Valentine's Day from your significant other? I bought the food for our special dinner. We cooked it together. I've been on a card. Flowers or anything.

We've been together for two years. I got him flowers made a little basket for him. And I literally got nothing. I know it's not about that, but I just want to feel loved and noticed. But we will be reaching out to this person.

So the two years does arise. I think suspicion. I'm curious if, like, last year was, you know? Right. What happened last year?

We need to know. We need more information to firm it or really fully assess. We will reach out to the person.

It's almost worse if it's the first year because the first year is when everything's like,

grand and big and you make everything a big deal. So I think you're theory. I disagree because I'm like, if it was his first, I would hope that he was like, I am ready to just shower her with, like, thoughtfulness. I need more info.

Before we continue this conversation.

“And also, when we reach out, does he ever randomly surprise you with flowers?”

Does he ever write letters? Yes. I see thoughtful and other ways. That's what we need to know. On other days.

On other days. Not just February 14th. Right. Okay. There's a couple things I want to talk about.

I do too. Oh. I want to fit the same thing though. You're brick? Yeah.

I want to talk about the burn and traders. Yeah, and traders. But yeah. I got brick. So we're going to take a break and we'll be right back.

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We're back, so speaking of having a partner who listens and cares, I have been talking about wanting a brick for like, I've talked about on the podcast, like almost a year now. Basically, it's a little device that you,

you scan your phone, and you select the apps that you want it to lock. And so, for instance, I started doing it, I wanted to go to bed without being on my phone. So, we put the brick in the kitchen.

“So, and you have to scan your phone on the brick,”

and it locks everything, and then we go to bed, and then I cannot use those apps until I reach the end. So, you tell the brick, which app, though, doesn't just shut your phone down. No, no, no, you still liked what you want,

so I do all my social media. Okay. I leave my messages in my phone, and because I don't want to be without that. In case there's events.

I don't see events to be. In case there's emergency.

And so, it's been amazing,

and I feel like it's going to help me so much, because a lot of times when I'm doing working, or trying to film the video, sometimes I'll just get distracted and get on my phone, and then I'm logged in on my phone

for a long time. Beyond. So, this prevents you from doing it, but you're also able to, like, let's say I brought it in the car,

and then we went to dinner, which we're doing tomorrow night. Yeah. So, one for that. I could scan it in the car,

scan my phone in the car, turn off all my social media apps, and then go to dinner, and that way, I could turn off everything,

and that way I have no distractions while I'm at dinner with you. It would be like not having a phone. So, do you have this brick on you now? I don't have it on me now. Because if you put it in your purse,

if you wanted like travel, like you could travel with that. And you just put it anywhere. You can take it anywhere. It doesn't have to be connected to anything.

Your phone just like, "How does it do that?"

I don't know, but it's amazing.

And to create it, I did have a moment of being like, "Is it sad that I need this for self-control?" Sure.

Yeah.

“You know, sometimes we all need a teacher.”

Because I love social media.

Like, it is. It's fun. I love scrolling. I love learning. I love not learning.

I do. I love social media. And sometimes I just like to laugh. Sometimes I want to cry. Sometimes I want to stretch my brain.

But my algorithm is pretty locked in. You can't make it. Yeah, I can't do it. Just like getting laughed or crying. And so, yeah, I love it.

And so, and then I also wanted an injure Krispy. Oh my gosh. Now that makes like ice cream or something right? No, not from Ninja. Crying out.

Crying out. Crying out. Not really next, oh my goodness. What does the Krispy do? It's an air fryer.

Okay.

But I have an air fryer from like 1970, like it was so old.

And so, not that old. But I had a really old one.

“And I started reading about it's funny because my talks are six.”

Yeah, but yeah. To end the call. I have to do so many things that are unhealthy that me hearing about microplastics is like pretty in the crowd. But I was like, we need a new one anyway.

So why not get a healthier option. And so I had mentioned the Ninja Krispy. Because anything I put in that I want Krispy, the air fryer would not do it. This thing. Krispy.

It. It's amazing. It's amazing. I too stopped using my air fryer because it was like. He'd eating plastic.

Like I like I try to avoid plastic. I don't put plastic in the microwave. Like a heating. So the fact that my my air fryer was like hot plastic was like really stressful. When I was doing all my Hashimoto's.

Yeah. So I really gave it to a family member. And I haven't had one since. And now I think I'm going to double this part. Is it comes in glass?

And I really got the one that had three different sizes. So you can cook your food. And then it comes with the lid. So you can just take it out of the air fryer. And if you have like leftovers or something, put the lid on and then store it.

No. It's like Tupperware. Oh. This is not sponsored by Ninja Krispy. But if you want it to be Ninja Krispy.

“So the only thing in my house that's still plastic is my blender.”

I'm like, how are we? I mean, watch so many tell me there's like a glass blender out there. Is there a glass blender? I've tried to find it. Wait, I.

A glass. I thought, um, all my blenders are glass. What? What blender do you have? I don't know the name of Vitamix.

That's, I've had it for a long time. I'm pretty sure ours is glass. The blender itself. He said, can you do quick search really fast? Yes.

Just to see if there's any blenders that are glass. Because I tried. I've, like, searched again with all my Hashimoto stuff. I searched for a glass blender and I could not find one. Huh.

Am I that? Oster makes a blender that is glass. Great. So I'm not dumb. You know, a lot of blenders are glass.

What? I took about the part that like actually. Yeah. Like the clear part. Yeah.

You're just glass. Yeah. Yeah. I have one that's like a smaller version. It's plastic.

But. I need a little bit of that. Yeah. Any home? I'm good 20, 26, the year of the horse.

I know. I'm like, I'm here blending my almond milk and microplastics for the last, like, 10 years. I think you're okay. You're doing a lot of other things, right? Wait, there was something that we were.

No, no, no. Oh, oh, oh. Okay. We did something over the weekend. And I am shook.

And I have to admit it because I have been judging these people my whole life. I love a moment of accountability. Yeah. So here's my accountability. I have been judging Pepsi drinkers my whole life.

Good.

I've always been a Coca-Cola girlie.

Okay. I don't drink much soda. Yeah. But when I enjoy, I'm going to get a nice cold can of Coca-Cola. Okay.

Bottle of Coca-Cola. Like a glass of bottle? Yeah. Straight from the teeth. So we did a taste test of Coca-Cola and Pepsi this weekend.

Side by side. One filled with Coca-Cola, one filled with Pepsi. Mm-hmm. I take a sip of one, taste a little water down. I'm like, mmm, take the taste, sip of the other one.

Taste pretty good. So I said, let me get a fresh batch because maybe one of them is water down. Or I'll be throws out the ice, fills it with new ice, pours it back in. Same thing. This one's a little water down.

I like this one better. Got to be Coca-Cola, right? Pepsi. It's Pepsi. I like Pepsi better.

I like Pepsi better.

Wow.

So you're going to be a Pepsi girl?

So I'm here to say that I am officially a Pepsi girly. Goodbye to the water down Coca-Cola. What about Dr. Pepper? Do you like Dr. Pepper? I do like, I do enjoy Dr. Pepper.

“You should do, you should add Dr. Pepper in the next time of the taste test and see which one.”

I would know what Dr. Pepper was though. It did taste so much different. So do those. Hardly. I think they have a very distinct test.

Taste. I feel like I could do one of those blind. Oh, but to behind the car robocs, please do it. I love watching those. I love watching this too.

But you know, I'm so cocky. I think I could do all like Coke's heroes from different fast food restaurants and guests them. That's sick. That's a solid addiction. And I have it.

But like I am so shook to my core that I am, and then Robby did it as well. And he's a Coca-Cola guy. And I was like, proud. A house divided. A house divided.

A house that doesn't have soda either way. Yeah, yeah. But divided nonetheless. A house that would be grateful for a sip of either in the right moment. I can't believe it.

I would have got a restaurant and like on the off day that I'm getting a soda.

“I'm like, do you have Coca-Cola and they said no will I Pepsi?”

I was like, no, for years. I'm pretty sure a little fish shack only has Pepsi. I don't know.

I know that I love only house Pepsi, and I'm always like, but I also like it too.

Oh my God, it's delicious. The polar bear knows what's up. Or is the polar pet Pepsi? Yeah. The polar bear is Coke, but Pepsi's been doing a lot of ads with the polar bear.

Oh my, it's brilliant. I have no one called the polar bear. Yeah, the concept of a polar bear. Pepsi call me. Wait, before we go, what did you think of traders?

Okay. We have to talk about it on Thursday because it's too much. It's too much. It's too much. I have too many thoughts.

Okay, okay, fine. We will be back on Thursday. I have to also say one more thing before we go. Oh my gosh, we really have to go.

I have been slacking on my love island daily recaps because we went away.

And so I wasn't watching it for a couple of days, but I am caught up. So I'm going to do a whole recap. Don't you worry. It's asking for that. The love island stands.

Oh, oh, oh. People were dealing with these things. They missed my daily recaps and I was like, wow.

“You should do like a 10 minute scrubbing in exclusive for you.”

Just talk to yourself about love island. I could. That's what I think is I could. I mean, I'm sure they would love for you to do that. If I used to do in fashion segments for Gilmour Girls.

I was so cool. I honestly could because the tea is piping. Wow. I hate that term. Oh, it tastes piping.

It did. I just did. Shodget. Okay. We'll be back on Thursday with love.

Trader thoughts and a dear Bonnie episode. We love you so much. Love you. Have a great week. Bye.

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