BREAKING: Big Trouble for Eric Swalwell

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Again, this has to do with Eric Swallwell, who always seems to be getting into some

kind of heat. That's right. So we now know that Eric Swallwell, who's a candidate for governor of California, also a member of Congress, a long time antagonist of the president, has now sent a cease and desist letter to the FBI.

“One, the fact that he's like, you know, I think we can just tell him to stop, send a cease”

and desist. It's pretty brazen. I think a lot of people may try this tactic if he's successful in the future. But this comes as there's news that the director of the FBI, Kashmatel, as many other people in the team are looking at releasing the investigative docs around the Chinese spy that

had infiltrated his campaign and his office. This is Eric Swallwell. Everyone remembers this story, Christine Fang, also known as Fang Fang, that had, well, ended up being a spy, a Chinese government spy that had gotten very close to the congressman, was able to infiltrate his office.

Now, the congressman is trying to say, this is election interference, putting out information about me that could be negative. This is, this is going to really hurt my political campaign. I did nothing wrong. This is the same person who bought into the Russia collusion hoax and would leak, was actually

investigated for leaking.

In the first Trump administration, information investigative things about the Russia collusion

hoax, he was so certain that it was President Trump was colluding with Russia.

“He is also the one that will play sound to about how adamant he is that you have to get”

all of the documents out for transparency about things like Jeffrey Epstein. But all of a sudden, when it's hitting close to home, he's sending a cease-indicist from his attorney saying, "Hey, there's going to be legal trouble for you, Kashmatel, if you release my documents." And we've got some fun audio to play in the next segment, flashing back just a couple

months ago. Where Alex Wallwell was calling for full transparency, full sunlight to make sure that conservatives and liberals will be held accountable, but of course, when that sunlight is turned towards you. How quickly you crumble.

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Well, thing we need to reset, maybe you can join and kick this around here, because this is an interesting moment. You have Eric Swallwell, once again, making himself known, I think we should play this to set everything up. So this is Eric Swallwell, before you hear everything, back on, this is from CNN.

This is from December, 22nd, everyone's getting ready for Christmas, don't feel like that long ago, less than four months ago. Let's take a listen to Eric Swallwell. I see it as the best disinfectant is sunlight, but sunlight will not work when all the names have been blocked out.

So release the files. We have a lot that we can do if Republicans want to join us. Trust that the Americans are mature enough to handle it. We can handle the truth, regardless of who's in it, Republican or Democrat. And obviously, that is about the Epstein files, but meanwhile, the letter from his attorney

to Cash Patel says this, the congressman has never been accused of wrongdoing in that

matter. Time to release the file is a transparent attempt to smear him and undermine his campaign for Governor of California, the letter said, your actions threaten to expose you and others at the FBI and the FBI itself to significant legal liability. Meanwhile, these are documents we have been seeking at the FBI, at the FBI, at the ACLJ,

for five years or more. Our first lawsuit of the Biden administration was a FOIA lawsuit trying to get the agencies to respond because of all of this information that came out that Christine Fang had been able to over a long period of time embed herself within his entire camp. So we knew that she was close to Eric Swallwell.

He was on the House Intelligence Committee.

He had access to very sensitive documents that a Chinese spy would be interested in.

And we wanted to know at the ACLJ how damaging that was to US national security. In Jordan now, like he's trying to brush it off like this was 10 years ago when she was in my office. No, but nothing to see here. I did nothing wrong, so therefore you shouldn't see this and actually this is a violation

of my rights FBI if you release these documents. This ridiculous, if he had if a spy successfully infiltrated his office and he did nothing

“wrong, why would you not want the information out so that other offices like yours?”

And if you're running for governor of the largest state in the country, that you want to make sure as well, that that kind of infiltration doesn't happen at the state level, which obviously we know the Chinese have these influence campaigns in the United States. And they were targeting California politicians, remember, it was a, it was a, it was a Feinstein who had the, she had the driver for a decade who came out to, it was as a Chinese spy.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they did something illegal. It could have been bad judgment at a certain point to say, you know what, maybe what is, why is this person hanging around? Why are we getting so close to this person? There's some personal allegations here, I think, as well.

But the idea is that if you want everything out about Donald Trump and you want him accountable for everything and everybody associated with him, then everything should come out about you, when it actually does make sense. I mean, this isn't just like we randomly want to release stuff on Eric Swallon because he's running for governor of California, there's a, there's a, there's a Chinese influence

campaign of spies that these, that has been targeting California elected officials and other politicians.

“I don't care if they're Republican or Democrat, at a certain point, I think the information”

is able to be shared with the American people without giving up the intelligence. So it's not harming an ongoing investigation so that others know because we have new members of Congress elected all the time, like he was in an unexpected victory who come in with very young staff and then people, you know, are, say, hey, I'll work for you and they're low salaries and we need to know what to look for as problems all over Washington DC,

especially against the country that we know is actively got a campaign to put these Chinese spies inside American elected officials offices. Well, and once again, Jordan, when you think about the absurdity that he's saying, you're just trying to interfere with my election, that is what he and Adam Schiff did for years. You had to go through an impeachment hearing in trial on the Senate, it was actually the

impeachment team, the president, Trump wasn't president, we tried to write a president who wasn't in office.

too close to the fire because these allegations were always coming out at the same time

and it was kind of, you know, very much a double standard on the one hand, we know that there's a Chinese spy close to him and that doesn't mean again that he did anything illegal. He hasn't been charged with a crime, but that also doesn't shield the information from the American people because it could be helpful and I didn't look past like political campaigns, think about the corporate interests, not even just huge companies, but let's

“say you are a chemical company, a small chemical company in a canvas, right?”

And how do they, you know, what to look for when people show up who, who again, they fit the bill, they, they looks like they would be good for the job, but then you start kind of looking into the background that you do in a normal background check, especially

handling anything sensitive, like congressional office or someone who was on the intel committee

would be, he said, you know what, we might need to slow this down, not a racial matter, it's not a, not a, not a, this is just a, we know there's an issue with China, let's get more information before we let these people close to us sitting U.S. Congress. And remember, they had to shut down a consulate in the United States, because it's just a scry out post, this is not the station, right in New York, like these, this isn't so outside

the realm of possibility, but also we know that she was within his office in the fact that as a, a public servant, as someone who was a member of Congress representing people

“of California and now wanting to be a governor of the state, the fact that they wouldn't”

say, yeah, let's release it all, let's let them see everything to see how this is going beyond, because you know what, I care about, I care about national security, he could even spin this and try to say, like, well, you know, we don't have Department of Homeland Security, because the Republicans, even though we know that they're spin there is false, but he could try to spin it, say, like, well, we're at a very dangerous time.

We need to get more sunlight on these things. No, instead they're sitting a cease and desist and threatening legal action, saying, you're

violating my first amendment rights, because you're targeting me, because I'm of a different

party. That's their argument here, Jordan, is that the fact that he was the one that had a spy within the office, this isn't as though it is something brand new that no one is cared about. We've been fighting this for five years trying to get information. If it can come out this way, because they are going through redacting, making sure that top secret information or things of that nature is an included doing it carefully and then

releasing it, I am very proud of the FBI for being transparent. We have seen that since President Trump was reelected and since there's been a new guard at the FBI of getting this type of stuff out. And the fact that he is sitting here after years of leaking information that he got on his committee and Adam Schiff got on their committees, leaking it out to

“damage their political opponents that he would try to cry foul now. I think he should”

just be like, you know, I've done similar things. I guess this is where we're at. But no, he's going to try to make this like he's the victim here and try to actually use it to gain votes in California and hide it and say, no, no, I was not infiltrated by a Chinese spy when we know he was. I don't even know if this really hurts if you California. I mean, because he can play the politics of it that he wants to, and obviously if he's

the leading candidate that tells you we're kind of California politics is to this day. At the same time, again, it shouldn't be about him. It should be that this is information that the whole country was concerned about. The fact that it doesn't matter if you're infiltrating these fundraisers who are putting interns and people's offices by Democrats or Republicans. It's not about necessarily the member of Congress violated the law. It's

what should they and their staffs be on the lookout for? After he was briefed by the FBI, he cut the relationship off. She was no longer around, no longer did he fundraise before. So he obviously, no, was knows that there was, enough information there. He didn't like the spy back and say no, no, no, this is someone who's helped my campaign. I'm going to still let them help my campaign. No, no, he got the information. It was Kevin McCarthy

who said after the FBI briefing, you wouldn't want Eric's while on any of your committees. That's not just the intel committee on any committees after what the FBI told him in a close door hearing about that situation. And of course, his leaking that we also know was a huge issue with him and Adam Shiff's office. When you're dealing on intel committees, that's the one thing you're not supposed to be doing. You know, it's leaking intelligence information

for political purposes only, which damage not just your political opponent, but the United States of America and our intelligence community. When we get back, Rick Reynolds going to be joining us. And I have a feeling he is going to have a lot to say about this situation. Of course, it is in his home state of California. Number one. Number two, we know he and Eric swallow well, but good buddies over the years. Well, I'm sure, but that thing said very close

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us to well again. Our whole conversation today has been about this news from Eric Swallwell

signing. You know what? I believe there should be sunlight on everything. We'll, they should be telling everyone the truth. We should be all of the controversy. You should be out there in the public to see whatever it could be. Unless it's about me. Rick, I think this is a case study in in political hypocrisy when things like leaking about a Russia collusion hoax is fine. And also forcing, you know, as much sunlight on Epstein files

is fine. But as soon as it becomes a scandal within your own political office, you're going to send a cease and desist to the FBI. What do you take on Eric Swallwell's inability

to be transparent with the public about the spy that was embedded within his office?

Well, I think you hit it right here. It's totally hypocrisy because what we've known for years is that Eric Swallwell has said that this narrative that he had enough fair with the Chinese spy was wrong. He would say things like your mist interpreting what was done. He would say things like this is half truths. And so now we've got the opportunity to see the whole file and he's running scared. He's really nervous that the public is going

to get to compare the truth to what he's been telling us for years. This is the same thing that happened with Adam's ship. When Adam's ship was exposed, when I declassified and unredacted, all of the information that he had been saying, you know, I get to see it. You don't understand the full file. Well, when we released the full file, it was proven that Adam's ship had been lying on CNN and MSNBC for years. This is now in Eric Swallwell's

flat. He doesn't want us to come out because he's running for office. He is a manipulator

“of the truth. And when the truth is about to come out, he gets very nervous.”

Yeah, Rick. One of the questions I have also is, you know, when we talk about Gavin Newsom looking to run for president and how he has received even within his home state, but has been able to create this sort of narrative around the country. I obviously Eric Swallwell is starting to move in a similar direction now for governor. I just curious what feels like on the ground, in terms of even support for someone like him, because it does feel

like they're cut from similar cloth, if you will. Yeah, I think, look, in our society, there are a lot of people who are just partisan Trump haters. They just want to support anyone who hates Trump. They don't know why they're supporting someone. They don't understand the policies behind it. It's, if you're in California, you use the Eric Swallwell every day attacking President Trump. And his entire campaign for governor is just attacking President Trump.

This is going to be a disaster for California, for California taxpayers, for California businesses. Anyone who's interested in comments, and this is a train wreck that's coming. Because Eric Swallwell doesn't know anything about business. He doesn't know anything about comments, then reforms. All he knows, all he does in Washington is bash Republicans and bash Donald Trump. And so that's not a campaign for governor. You can't run the largest state in the country

simply by hating on Donald Trump. We need somebody who is going to reform California. The policies

“of a one party ruled Sacramento are disastrous. And that's why California is losing power and losing”

people. I also think it's curious when they try to say this is just election interference by

in reality, first, this isn't the first person that has FBI files or national security files that this administration is releasing. There has been transparency across the board, whether it comes to the Russia collusion hoax or many other things that have been a public interest, other FBI investigations and the president, Trump, showing what actually took place, showing how things were hidden from the public, trying to be transparent. And they're all for that when it

doesn't hurt them. But as soon as this is someone that's running for office, which if you're a

congressman, you're always running for office every two years, he just happens to be running for

governor now. But trying to say that it's a smear campaign. It's trying to undermine his campaign. That was his playbook. That was literally what he and Adam Schiff did for years trying to go after the president using weaponizing their positions within Congress to try and put things out there to create informative. All of a sudden, when this is actually what the FBI's been doing to everyone, just releasing things, trying to be transparent, he tries to frame it as something like this is

what they're doing to me. You always say when a Democrat is saying something and saying this is bad,

“look over here, it's normally what they're themselves doing, is this another example of that?”

Well, look, Eric Swallow has been in office the entire time that Donald Trump has been in office, and Donald Trump has not afraid of him. We've seen Eric Swallow throw temper tantrums, do press conferences, try to attack, and it is nothing new. No one is afraid of Eric, Eric has tried everything that he can. And look, if he had anything up his sleeve, he would have already done it in the first Trump term when he was literally losing his head every

single day about Donald Trump. And so, no one's afraid of him. We've seen all of his tricks. I think it's now judgment day. All of the lies that he has been telling, and the media have been

covering up for him. I've never seen so many Washington Post reporters and New York Times reporters

rushing to ask the government to not release information. It's really another signal that journalism is dead when you have reporters calling for secrets. It's quite shocking. Absolutely, Rick. Thanks you so much for joining us today. Really appreciate your guidance and your thoughts. Always, look, we couldn't have people like Rick without you. And I have been saying, I'm going to talk about it. I'm going to talk about it. I'm going to talk about it. I got two minutes

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“reset and talk about this? You want to talk about California today?”

Yes. We're spending time on the West Coast. What we started this broadcast with is this the season-to-sist letter by attorneys for airxolual to cash-patel in the FBI saying, hey, we understand that your potentially going to release files that are related to a spy from China that was in my office for a long time, helped with fundraising and all sorts of other things. While I was on this, the House Intelligence Committee and things of that nature,

but if you release that, we're coming after you. They said the Congressman has called for the FBI to agree within three days not to release the files saying that any further action to release them could prompt him to take legal action. I wonder if maybe we could get a law, release the Swallwell files in the House of Representatives, would he be okay with that? Because I know that he was a big proponent of releasing the Epstein files through legislation,

“that's the whole thing goes to show the hypocrisy of those on the left. I think we should play again”

what Eric Swallwell said in just a few months ago, December 22nd of 2025. Around this whole debate over Epstein files, which the left didn't care about until they found a way to make it a negative for Donald Trump. They had four years where they had the House, the Senate, they had Joe Biden, they could have done it then. They didn't care about it until they found a way to make it a political

bludgeon. But here's what he had to say about that in releasing files. By date.

I see it as the best disinfectant is sunlight, but sunlight will not work when all the names have been blocked out. So, release the files. We have a lot that we can do if Republicans want to join us. Trust that the Americans are mature enough to handle it. We can handle the truth regardless of who's in it. Republican or Democrat. You know what? I agree with them. I think that Americans are mature enough. And I would say Californians are mature enough to read the files even if they're

salacious things in there about how close you were with this individual that we can handle that to understand what happened how a spy from the Communist Party of China was able to get within your operation so closely and was undetected for so long. American people can handle that. We're mature enough to read through this and you were calling for no names redacted. I understand that the reason these aren't out yet is that the FBI is going through and redacting things to make sure

to protect people. But no, you don't want the truth there because it's an embarrassment to you. No one is saying that you broke the law with this. The FBI isn't saying we are going to throw him in jail after we release these files. But I think it's important for the American people to understand when our national security is compromised by a foreign adversary. How it's done and how we can protect that from not happening again. And if you want to be the executive of the largest state economy in the

“country, then I think you should be pretty transparent with who's able to get that high up in your”

political operation, Mr. Swallwell. Yeah. What are you said? When we get back, there's a big update in the world of the ACLJ and I don't want you to miss this. Look, we have had some big successes recently. Obviously when you're dealing with court systems and states like California sometimes there's that's forward steps backwards and our team continues to fight. And you're going to miss this big update and really just a full circle of what's going on here in the work of the ACLJ. But specifically

in that case, with the state of California, is trying to go after cavalry chapel to get $1.2

million in fines collected, something that means nothing to California that can mean everything to this

church. You get back and you're not going to miss this. Get on hold though if you want to be on the show, 1-800-6-8-4-31-10, we'll take calls at the end. Back to secular. We're now joined by Robert Tyler, who's president and chief counsel of advocates for faith and freedom. This is an organization that does great work as well that actually had the cavalry chapel case from the very beginning and is co-council with the ACLJ.

Now we are fighting together at the Supreme Court, our both our organizations. But this is something that you have been in a lot longer than the ACLJ and our audiences heard about. Go ahead and give some of how you got involved with this early on and the fight that you've had for years now. Hey, thanks. We'll love to do that. If I could say, I am honored to partner with ACLJ. We have

“been working with ACLJ. I think the first case I had was back in 1997 when we had a trial”

in Riverside County, California. And so it's been we've worked on many cases together and I'm greatly honored to continue that work with you guys. Calvary Chapel San Jose contacted me in early 2020 as a result of the restrictions. It's important to note that in San Jose, California, this is where it all started. This is the Silicon Valley. This is where the lockdowns were invented

in the United States. And this was the first county in the country to issue a lockdown order and then

from there, it went to the state of California, and then after that, there became a national lockdown, so to speak. And so there's Silicon Valley made tons of money as a result of COVID because of the technology companies up there with Netflix and everybody stay in home, watching TV and

“or excuse me, watching these programs on their phones and things like that. So this is a big deal.”

And this is where it all started. And it's going to end up here in the Supreme Court with your partnership. We started in May of 2020 when we filed our first suit. That was a federal lawsuit. And then the county sued the church to put a stop to them and say, you can't meet. And you know, there it was just ridiculous the restrictions. And so we have been working on this case since May of 2020. And so what's that take us to? I mean, that's almost six years now.

And this is Jordan, second one. That's something I went to underscore because we talked about a lot

on this show. But with groups like yours, and again, to learn more about Bob's group and what they're doing in California, you go to faith-freedom.com, and you can support them too. I mean,

“support them financially at faith-freedom.com because it's important. Especially in states,”

as large as California, to have those groups have partners like Bob that we work with at the ACLJ, who've set up their own organizations who can do that work to make sure you know, go back six years. So Bob, we talked about that a lot because oftentimes on this broadcast by the time we're talking about something, it's already, you know, pending at the Supreme Court. It may have already been heard at the Supreme Court. And our audience has gotten used to it. But it's kind of a good reminder to know that

most of the time we saw these kind of, we got a time period because of COVID, we saw a lot of emergency actions on appeal. And the Supreme Court was kind of taking cases, especially the Trump cases. And we were involved in those two where they were taking them, you know, a month after two weeks. You know, these, but the most of the time, you know, take a case of the Supreme Court is just under a decade. It's, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of attorney hours, a lot of legal hours. And it takes the client

as well, the church as well, who's willing to fight it all the way. So I just tell people about that because sometimes on our broadcast we're already jumping to that point. But you know, the along the way, that better. Yeah, you know, it is when we go back when we track our hours on how many hours we put into this case, we have a close to 2500 hours in time. Had we been a for-profit law firm building

clients, we would be, you know, well and excessive, you know, $3 million easy at this point,

$4 million in fees. And we do that pro bono and we've done it because it's a calling God put on our heart. And we believe it's necessary for our future generations to protect our religious liberty. And so, you know, that depositions, many, many depositions, lots of investigation, lots of discovery, which is just the grueling, grunk work of litigation when, you know, you're staying at late nights, writing responses, writing demands. It just, there's so much work that goes into it.

That frankly, people don't see it. They often look at lawyers and say, oh, such a kind of glamorous job. The associate of mine, we were laughing yesterday because he said, you know, they talk about this being a glamorous job, but they don't see us, you know, staying up late at night and our

that we need to get done, it's done. And there's a lot of work that goes into it. Well, and I also want to bring up that fact. And something we talked to our audience here is that being able to do this work for people protecting their constitutional rights, but also their God-given rights that it doesn't come from the government. The Constitution helps in trying them and protect them, but it comes from God, not from the government. Being able to do that for these

cases where we talked about this one in particular over $1.2 million fine plus six years of

litigation, that would bankrupt most churches, most organizations just being able to stand up

“for your religious freedom. And that is why it's so important groups like advocates for faith”

and freedom as well as the ACLJ are able to do this because of those that support us to help protect for every other church, every other person of faith that just wants to live out and practice the rights that God gives them when these governments come after them and try to do it in a way that would make them go away, try to shut them down, make it so burdensome, that no one can afford to do what we are doing here except for the supporters that join us in stand alongside us.

Yeah, you've got that right, I mean if it's, I've often said that our free exercise of religion,

our free speech, our first amendment rights are only as good, it's just written on paper,

but it's only as good as and strong as the people who are willing to stand up to protect it. And that's where a lot of people just give up on their religious liberty, their free speech,

“they get entrampled on them, they just walk away, but it takes clients that are willing to”

stand up with courage, like Pastor Mike McClure and Calvary Chapel San Jose. I've said that so many times to stand and courage in the middle of the Silicon Valley where you know, it's he's scorned by them and then it takes lawyers that are willing to instead of make millions of dollars, like we could be in some private law practice that we're building all of our hours, I actually, I don't actually make a living doing doing this kind of work,

I make a living in a private law practice, I donate my time to this generally. And so, you know, we put our time into this and we do everything we can because it's, it's a calling by God, and I want to say one thing. I became a lawyer back in 1996, because in 1991, I read Jay secular's book, I had a calling, I felt like it was something God wanted me to do. And I read Jay secular's book, way back then, and I thought, you know, I, this I really

feel like this is what God's calling me to do, and it's been such an honor to be able to work for so many years with ACLJ, and to be able to work with someone who inspired me to go to the law school. We hear those stories from so many folks who have now put themselves in influential positions like you have, you know, taking on these cases, Attorney General's, I've been meeting with some state Attorney General's, I heard it from a couple of them,

who said, you know, that they're entirely legal careers were started that way.

“I remember when I was younger, hearing that kind of thing. But when, you know, older, you hear it,”

and you realize they had to be something there that said, hey, you know, I want to go into this field where it's going to be those late hours, it's going to be weekends working. When we say, like, our legal team is not ever really on vacation. No one's really ever not on call. It's not that we're trying to take people away from their family time or their time with their faith, but that they're, this is their calling, as you said, you're a calling that they're committed to,

and again, people can support advocates for faith and freedom by going to faith-freedom.com, and you can make a donation there. And we encourage you to do that faith-freedom.com, Bob, we're going to have you on more as we hear from the Supreme Court. Again, we hope we get to take that case all the way there. And again, to make sure that if this, we ever, in the hope or not, those kind of situations again, that our first amendment liberties won't be trampled upon.

And if cities, governments, try to trample upon them. We will have Supreme Court President to fight back, Bob. Thank you for joining us at California, and thank you for fighting alongside us for, for most of our existence, too, with the ACLJ. Yeah, Jordan. Thanks so much. It's an honor to be with you. Thanks, Bob. All right. Thank you, Bob. Appreciate you calling in, being part of the show today. And obviously, all of the work that you've done with the ACLJ,

it's always appreciated. Again, this is why the organization exists on such a broad scale. Again,

from individual cases, individual people to churches in the country, to the worldwide work the ACLJ

I'm encouraging to make your donation if you can't, hey, last call for calls. We do have some lines of it. How do you watching right now? I'm gonna name me not a lot of questions or comments. Call me. If you got a question or comment right now, potential making on the air, 1-800-684-31-10, 1-800-684-3110, we want to get your feedback as well. I am going to try to take as many calls as I can. This segment, a few of you have called in,

a couple lines up in 1-800-6-84-31-10. And about nine minutes, we'll see how many calls we can get to. Let's start off with Michael, who is calling from the state of Florida, watching on a rumble? Go ahead, Michael. I kind of think the saying for Mr. Swallwell would be me, thanks. That'll protest as too much. I know that karma doesn't usually play into my mindset too much,

“but for him, I think it was a lie. Yeah, you reap what you sow, exactly. And especially when you're”

looking at how much they were kind of a tool of the deep state, both he and Adam Schiff, the way they leaked things, they were the ones that said, you know, there is no doubt in my mind

that President Trump colluded with Russia. We have the evidence they can never actually get the real

evidence out there because it didn't exist. But all of a sudden, as you say, obviously the Shakespearean quote, that he does protest too much, that when it's anyone else, transparency, good, sunlight, good. So that everyone see everything and you make up your own mind. When it comes to having a spy from China, the fact that we say it, we're not shocked by it as much anymore, because we've been dealing with this for so long, but he was on the House Intelligence Committee

and was able to be infiltrated by the Chinese Communist Party through a spy. And that he's like, you know, FBI, you're going to be violating my first amendment rights. I'd like to know how he feels about his own state. He wants to run for governor, violating the first amendment rights of Calvary Chapel. But Jordan, I don't think they'll weigh in on that because it may hurt his election chances there. Obviously, if he did weigh it, I don't need to say it. It's deserve to pay that

fine. I mean, this is, again, what we've seen is that California won't drop this. They could. Along the way, they could have said that it just filed a court. We're no longer trying to, you know, there's other cases out there where these finds have been held to be a unconstitutional wrong. You know, this was done six years ago, this haphazard way. We were wrong. It would be over.

“But they had fought. Remember, you know, we talked about with Bob Tyler just being that we've been”

fighting for six years, even fighting for six years, to get this case in a victory for Calvary Chapel. The state of California decided to take on this battle. They entered the case. They decided

as a state to enter the case and take on this battle to enforce a 1.2 million dollar fine,

which to the state of California is nothing, but to Calvary Chapel say it could be catastrophic. Well, and also to that point. And also that hanging over your head for six years, that alone is a punishment, which unfortunately, Supreme Court victories, even if you do, that doesn't fix that. Right. I mean, so it is such, you've already lost what you can't get back, which is the pain and suffering, emotional stress, financial stress to your membership to your leadership team of this financial

penalty, which is a seven figure financial penalty hanging over your head for nearly more than half a decade.

“Well, it also shows the mindset of the state, because it's not free for the state to fight this”

in court. You're talking about that. They have spent more than $10,000. They have spent more than they would be getting in the fight. A private law for like, like Bob was talking about. If you didn't have groups like like ACLJ, didn't have faith in like his advocates faith in freedom, it would not be cost effective. It'd be better to pay the fine figure out how to pay the fine. And if you didn't have California committed to using its state taxpayer dollars, because they fought it three way. You know, if you have used

entire bureaucracy to do this, they've been spending millions of taxpayer dollars, state taxpayer dollars to go after and try and find this church $1.2 million. Because they don't like how they conduct themselves with their COVID-19 policies policies, which were later found to be unconstitutional by courts. Look, the work of the ACLJ is George just said, it is a year's long battle. We just heard six years of just getting this case to this point in the state of California.

Some of them, though, of course, do move faster. We don't want to act like this is always the case.

look. We do these kind of fundraising drives. We know sometimes it can be frustrating,

“because you'll hear about these cases. And you're like, the feels like they never ends.”

Trust me, I'm sure for our legal team. It also feels like it never ends.

But we have to be able to continue to fight on. We have to continue to raise awareness and bring that to the front of your mind. Because we know this isn't going to be necessarily always the stories that are going to be, you know, top news. But when you're a supportive ACLJ, you're doing all of that. Also, you're doing it. So when you need help, like many of you that go and reach out every day, that you have an ACLJ attorney ready to work with you. When you're constitutional rights

are attacked, when you're religious freedom rights are attacked, if it is within the scope of the work we do, you know it's at no cost to you because people are standing up and supporting the work. And while they're becoming members of the ACLJ, they're becoming champions of the ACLJ.

And we also always have to be prepared that a case that we take on Jordan could end up

at the United States Supreme Court. That's the type of issues we deal with. Sometimes you think they're settled wrong. But even when you look at like the case in Texas where the teacher was told, you can't pray anywhere that a student can see you. We think that that settled out of the Supreme Court because of the case with the football coach, right? That was able to be seen praying on the football field. Yet they're taken it to the they they lose and they're still trying

to appeal it. They may be trying to fight this the whole way. And if they keep filing appeals, we have to be there to fight that. And once again, it may seem like something that is an issue that we can get resolved quickly with even a demand letter. That's still cost man hours. It's still cost legal work that if you were to go to a private firm would cost thousands of dollars. But when you also know that the ACLJ is prepared to take whatever case it is, if we have to,

all the way to the Supreme Court, that is what makes the people that stand with us so valuable.

“This is why the donors, the dollars are so important. Okay, because see what we can tell you”

is what states, counties and governments realize when they want to impose these fines on the American people and restrict your constitutional rights, even when they know it's likely that they could lose and court. They know that a lot of people won't be able to find an organization that can take their case on. And remember, remember when you're talking about taking the case on, that law firms would say, sure, but it's going to cost this much. It will cost more than the

fine that you are trying to fight back against. This is why the donors become so important. You're able to set up organizations that can stand in the way to preserve the rights of the American people that would otherwise not be preserved because it wouldn't be financially feasible for the injured person, the person who's constitutional rights were violated, or the attorneys having to represent them who may not have an organization set up with the donors and supporters

to actually take on that work. So it's because of your donations that constitutional rights are preserved for you and generations to come from government overreach states, counties,

the federal government, school boards, local school districts, we see it as city councils, it's never

going to end. They're urged for more power and to do it under times of stress like pandemics, or any other kind of situation, wartime, tear acts of terrorism. So we have to be ready to stand for your constitutional rights and our constitutional rights all of the time. And that's again,

“I think to just explain why our donor is so important for organizations like this. In this case,”

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