BREAKING: Chinese Spy Surrenders Ahead of Trump Visit

California elected official admits to being a spy.

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May 12th, 20, 26, welcome to show today. It is going to be a packed one. Don't want to miss it. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. This is very interesting timing to say the least.

As even you have, you know, Fox is there. You got all the commentators are flying over it. A China, a Beijing bill, hammer is over there, hanging out. And at the same time, here in America,

of course, President Trump is headed to China. We'll discuss all the details of what that is with their referring to is what it is. Summit, high-stakes summit, that's right. That we keep hearing about of what's going on

in China could be a very big leap in what our relationship is with China. And at the same time, and I only chuckle at this,

“'cause it just, you couldn't write it better.”

A mayor of a Southern California city outside of Los Angeles, of Arcadia, of course, not a big city, but certainly not a small city as well. It's a major area, has admitted pleading guilty. Again, this is the elected official, a mayor,

of being a spy for China. This is coming out of the news this morning. And this is the real deal. This is happening. This is our conspiracy theories.

This is some sort of version. This is buy. The quote is buy her own admission. I lean Wang secretly stir through the interest of the Chinese government.

And it gets even deeper than that. That's right. So what we've got on one hand is the President going over for this summit with Xi Jinping, taking over a roster of American CEOs.

This is to try and settle some of the economic differences between the two companies, countries. At the same time, you have this plea agreement that came out. This is between the United States of America

and Eileen Wang who was the mayor of Arcadia, California. Before that, she was on the city council there. And it's pleading guilty to charges of being a foreign agent of the Chinese Communist Party. The PRC was directing her actions,

going back as far as, at least in the allegations, here 2020, very interesting time that Eileen Wang was at the direction of the PRC. And you read some of these going back and forth in where she's responding with, like, thank you leader

to the person who's giving her the directions. Like, this wasn't just a, I'll do this. This was in the government, like, even protocol. The way you think of a Chinese spy responding to their handler to push propaganda in the United States,

very interesting time for this elected official also to be doing that during 2020 when maybe China needed some PR in the United States. I mean, this is what says the agreement states that Wang, and soon this is that her who's working with,

received and executed directives from the PRC government officials to post pro PRC content on the website. And then sometimes saw permission from the Chinese government officials to post content as well. So not only distributing content that was clearly made

to be distributed from the PRC, also saw permission to post other content. So again, when you're talking about there's control, and this is happening again.

And this is probably one in a million, the tap, not a million.

This is probably a very small example of what the influences of, you can say, China and other, you know, foreign leaders throughout the world. Right, it's influence campaigns. And it can be people who have even dedicated their life

to being the mayor of a city. But at the same time, are pushing out and asking for. Not just saying, I'm going to put out info about China on my own website.

“But saying, what can I put out to Chinese officials?”

And doing so in a way where she immediately pleads guilty. I mean, so she knew what they caught onto this. And it looks like they caught onto this because her partner in the effort had already been arrested and charged

and is serving the time of prison right now. It's a wild story that is when you first read that it's an elected official of the United States of America working with the PRC. Directly elected official in the United States of America

who is being told what to do, what not to do, what to post and even had to seek permission. We're going to talk about that in a lot more. Give us a call though, what do you think? Are you shocked by this?

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and we have to restate what's happening.

“Obviously, President Trump is on the way to China.”

They have a big summit that is going to be happening. We're going to break down really what's going to happen in that summit as well. What the intentions are, what we can see,

what the positives come out of it. Maybe some of the negatives too. Rick Ronaldo's going to be joining us a little bit later. We'll discuss that. But at the same time, again, just to restate,

if you're just tuning in right now, at the same time, this literally happened yesterday. You had a mayor of a Los Angeles area city of Arcadia, California. Resign for being the mayor, plead guilty, and admit to being a actor for the PRC.

Essentially, being a Chinese spy. This is happening again as elected officials in the United States of America. This is the amount of influence.

And you may go, that's kind of wild,

that what you consider to be a huge city. I mean, it is a big market. It's at a very large market. But you're talking about-- You're talking about a city of 56,000 people.

It's not nothing, but it's certainly not a major metropolitan. It is in a major metropolitan area. But they decided, we're going to have influence in these kind of places to keep the campaign. It does beg the question of how much is this happening

throughout the country. We know that it has happened before with the police stations and all of those things that we reveal over the last few years. But again, when we say it was working directly with them,

we know from at least the smallest of instances was being told what to post on social media, what was being post on their website, they promoted propaganda from the Chinese government. And then on top of that, on top of that,

was actually seeking permission on what they could

in couldn't post.

“Yeah, and I think that's what's kind of shocking here,”

as well, is when you think of some of these charges, where it's like, oh, you were acting as a foreign agent. You understand people get financial benefit and maybe aren't doing the rules. This one, when you really look at it,

and you're like, this was an elected official, was having to ask permission from their handlers of what they could and couldn't publish. And then when trying to show their work, like, look, this got so much interaction

spreading this propaganda and says, thank you, leader, like actually taking that direction from a foreign government. That is what's so shocking here. But you have to put this in context 'cause we've been talking about this threat for a long time.

You mentioned the police stations. We know that Eric's wall well, notoriously had those issues where a Chinese spy was within his own office. You think about Diane Feinstein, California Senator,

who had a long time spy that was her driver, the infiltration from the CCP in the United States cannot be understated. We know that Mike Pompeo, who would be joining us later in the week, he, when he was Secretary of State,

had to shut down the consulate in Houston because it was just a spy operation for the government. This is deep within the United States, right? Now it's something the Trump administration's been fighting for a long time.

This is interesting, fine-lined in Washington, D.C. and are in a government as well because you can register as a foreign agent. But you usually wouldn't be elected mayor of a town and you would be obviously highly regulated.

- And we're like a lobbyist for them. - And there are people that do this in a legal way in Washington. - And so really, that's, as we do in other countries. - That's probably the highest charge she's under,

it looks like right now, is the easiest way to get her on, certainly, and as well as her partner. So what you have to look at is,

“and I think what would be the next level”

is was their payment involved? Or is it really just doing this as like a, it's just a, because you're pro-China, because usually people are getting a trouble with this. And if they were doing a website like this,

it would be because of the financial plus, you'd be acting as a foreign agent. Usually you would not be concert active for an agent for free. - Well, and once again, when you read

what's in this the factual basis because this is a plea agreement at this point, she won't go to trial. She's admitting to guilt with the government. It shows how much information the U.S. government

actually had on her. But this is that it's a violation of 18 USC 951 agents of a foreign government, which says for the purposes of this section, the term agent of a foreign government means an individual

who agrees to operate within the United States subject to the direction or control of a foreign government or official except, and then there's some exclusions as well. And that goes to the people that are consular, people diplomatic officials,

they aren't considered a violation of this, obviously. But what this does carry with it, that she has pled guilty to, now it'll be up to a judge. She doesn't have to get convicted by a jury.

- I didn't say that. - It is up to 10 years in prison, 250,000 dollar fine, and three years of supervised release. So a long portion of now, there are some people who are saying,

it's not going far enough if you're spying for the Chinese. - Are you maybe saying that this person's also not going to serve that long in Russia? - You see Los Angeles County, whatever,

But it's quite shocking when you start to think of that,

with the context that the president is headed over to China right now for this. - So let's pivot to that,

“because I think this is an important thing that's happening.”

'Cause look, I am not blind to the fact that our relationship with China, though it is hostile at times, if you'd say, I'm going to be a hostile's the right word. It certainly is conflicted.

It's necessary. We have to have relationship with China at this point. We can't just cut off China. Like people who want to say that, it's certainly not the way we have set up our society.

You may not like it, but it's not like, if we got rid of Chinese manufacturing, if we got rid of those things right now, we're not ready for that in America. Let's just not pretend that we are.

We could get better at it, certainly, but we're not there right now. So a relationship with China, and then this specific summit, is really going to talk about also the influence of AI,

and who's going to be kind of the leader in this moment. And I think that's very important when you have really the two big superpowers of the world, when you have US and China, that have the tech centers,

that this could become a conflict, or it could be a really big step forward towards some kind of ongoing partnership. - The different, yes, for the two superpowers, but think about the different,

it has personalities of way of life, with where AI can go and China quickly, and the difference with the United States, whereas here's citizens, we've publicly, freely, I don't know if it's government officials,

raise concerns about AI. In China, you've got a society that, you're not raising concerns. - People are very different. - A lot easier to test these systems on people,

when you are not going to be subject to any kind of legal action, if it goes wrong. You can kind of push further, and there's not going to be any kind of retribution for government actors or the corporate companies,

but usually controlled by the government there, or significant interest there.

“And so I think that making a path forward,”

that makes sense for both, it's very important. But like we said, we don't have the manufacturer to keep you with China. In fact, Chinese goods now are the higher end of imported goods the United States.

So a lot of the stuff you see, it's not necessarily made in China, 84, it's made in other places, because the Chinese goods are other more expensive sides. - Well, and Jordan, I think to that point as well,

we've had Senator Hagridi on this broadcast. Many times, we've reached out to his office, if we can have him on soon about this summit, because this is such an important topic. The United States relationship with China is necessary,

but it is a difficult one. What we saw for so long was members of the left in the United States that were not as hard on China as we would have preferred. And what do you see?

You see, how much they were able to infiltrate and put their influence here.

President Trump, they're in his first term,

was tough on China, and then immediately returned to office and went back to being tough on China. The trade issue where people say, it will tank the world economy, if you are tough on China, prove to be wrong.

It did not tank the world economy. What they are going to talk about, though, is the trade relationship. Those mining issues, the rare earth minerals that lead to both batteries and chips,

and all of these things that are economy is so reliant on now, this is all a part of it, but you also have to think the energy aspect as well, the war in Iran. These are issues that will be discussed between the leaders while they are there as well.

This was originally supposed to happen a few months ago, but got pushed back because of the war in Iran. President Trump, I believe, was about a week into the war, was actually scheduled to be going on this trip.

They pushed it back to now, and so we'll see what impact does that have because of China's relationship with Iran, the oil that they receive from the Middle East China, a lot of that is Iranian oil. All of these things factor in, but it goes to show

that the Chinese government is not just who you're dealing with on the face. They also have all these influence operations, and we've got some interesting calls. We want to hear from you as well.

1-800-6-843-110, as we talk more about this going on. - Yeah, big momentum going forward into this big summit in China.

“I think it's good President Trump has got to be there.”

That's at least a working relationship with the head in China, with the really all of the, it seems like they have a good relationship with this government, of the best relationship, you can kind of have considering the circumstances

that we are currently in. The phone lines are open for you at 1-800-6-843-110, 1-800-6-843-110.

You always see a lot of comments, a lot of thoughts coming in.

Do you have those comments? Also, I said, you know, since the tariffs, prices have gone up and they do my best to not buy Chinese products, makes it a lot easier, but make the effort. With that being said, I would love to hear from you.

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“Well, the next time we are going to pivot a little bit,”

also, and talk a little more domestically, what's going on. That's right, there's some big news out of that redistricting story. They've officially filed at the Supreme Court, but we've got some action coming up on that as well. We want to talk about in the next segment,

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- Right. - All right, all the numbers just in the wrong order. - All right, we got some calls coming in about this relationship we have with China. I think let's take one of those.

And then we're gonna move on and talk a little bit about what's going on. Even in the update in Virginia with all the redistricting, because I know you've some questions or comments related to that.

I just want to start with, let's go Daniel. Yeah, Daniel, why shouldn't you see? Go ahead. - Hi, thank you for taking my calls. I'm just concerned about this incident in California

where we have a foreign Chinese person at the mayor. Let's say that we have congressmen who are from Minnesota, who obviously hate America. And I think that we should have people who have elected officials should be important in this country

or at least being in the country just in a five years old to have to learn to love this country. - Well, Daniel, how many of you have been? So one, that would take constitutional amendments to put more restrictions on who can be elected

as a representative or as a senator because that's where those definitions come from. The president of the United States actually has a more strict requirement on being born in the United States. - Yeah, the reason we have that still

for the president of the United States, but not for. I mean, I don't necessarily know in 2026 where I land on out any of that issue to begin with, but it is interesting that we have decided that to be the highest of elected officials,

there is certainly a higher standard, but that higher standard involves something that we don't even put on the rest of our elected officials. Now, to me it's more you can move to a city, you can learn it, culture, there's a lot of different things

that can happen when you're dealing with smaller populations. - Well, as well as the executive branch itself is the president. The president is his own branch of government as we've talked about on this broadcast before. When you are a member of Congress, you are one of a multitude,

depending on, I mean, that number can go up for the House representative or be shifted around, depending on different factors. But I think when you look at that, it would take a constitutional amendment

and try getting that constitutional amendment passed in this day and age. - I like you so much. - Don't think it would happen. - Where people would actually come down.

I think you could make cases for both ways.

“That's what I'm not taking aside on that as much as going.”

I think it's interesting that we still do have that to his point. We have that requirement for president, but it doesn't trickle down. - Well, and that's from the beginning. That was the founders and there's a lot of in-depth analysis

that I don't know that we have time for to get on it. - No, no, no, well, this broadcast. Normally, you get on to me when I try to go too deep on things like that. But I think the other point you was making

said, what if this was a Senator or a Congressman? You think that is the goal to some degree of the CCP. It's not to be a conspiracy theorist, but who's to say it's not? - Well, once again, we know that in Eric Swallwell's office,

it was very close and was influencing the Congressman. We know in Diane Feinstein's office was at least overhearing and using information because it was her driver. You also think in Minnesota to a state he brought up. It may not have to be someone that wasn't born here.

That could be influenced by that foreign government. We think of the current sitting governor of Minnesota who spoke so highly and had so many trips to where? China. And that was actually a big issue when he was on the ticket

for Vice President of the United States. He was born here. But one of the big questions is how much influence just China have over you because he even was saying things like, they're not the enemy.

Don't worry about them. - We've talked about, there's been a crackdown.

- Certainly the first Trump administration.

I know that's continued under the second Trump administration.

there was this crackdown on the Chinese influence just in our higher education.

“The amount of influence are universities.”

- The fact that it's not just sitting in students, but also sitting in significant amount of resources so that these schools would be almost creating their own propaganda, pro-Chinese propaganda to begin with, without even having to do it in some kind of covert,

like we talked about with this former mayor in California. I think they were much further along with their influence campaigns. What we see is that they had multiple ways of doing it. They had the covert ways.

They have the very public ways. Give money to the universities for research and they won't blame the virus spread on you. And that's what happened. We saw the influence of that even in our own CDC.

Our officials would go over to Wuhan. Not even be allowed to go to the places they wanted to see and it's still come out saying no problem there. - Exactly. And once again, you talk about how much,

even their funding of their research, the trips that they would go on. And all of these things is that the government of China

is very powerful and they know how to use their influence.

Not that the United States doesn't do that as well. - Sure, we're just as much doing it. - But once again, this is our country we're talking about. And these things don't just happen overnight. These are decades of influence to get to where they are,

to get people that are elected officials. You think of spy shows or movies or things that were people are living a different life. That is legitimately what is going on in this country. It sounds fantastical and that like you're be a script.

“But that's what we're looking at all of the world.”

- Right, let's go take another call. It's going to Anthony and Pennsylvania online too. We'll move into the redistricting one of the next segments. Let's go to Anthony and Pennsylvania. - Yeah, you went off asking if we were surprised.

Well, no, I wasn't surprised at all by her who I are at Chinese spy being a respite. I am worried, as you mentioned, the universities because that's the issue for at least 25 years. So I wonder how many more Chinese spies

are in government offices or working in corporations or teaching in universities? I think it's a very serious problem. - Well, and to that point as well, how many people have been influenced by the Chinese government

that don't even know it, because of the way that it is laid out. - Doing some research program for a professor, the professor knows the grads coming from China. And so they're obviously being influenced. But and putting out that their own influence

have to be careful about what they say. Can't make it anti-China, all that kind of language. And at the same time, you could be a student there working on the research and not even make that connection yet.

“But what I think we do know is that it's,”

it probably is widespread.

It's not, again, it's not that you're going to always see

these broad to light, such a fantastical way that someone who's actually the mayor of a town, a city, not too far outside of Los Angeles, but at the same time, at the same time, the influence campaign, they haven't really been trying to hide.

You're not hiding that at the universities. This is not something that's secret. You just go see it. And so we've talked about those student visas from China, being curtailed, and they have been,

but we've also talked about the foreign financial influence to the universities. You know, I know that's just as an attorney as someone who also with offices around the world. It's much easier to move money through,

its institutions like nonprofit universities and organizations internationally, through a banking system than it is corporately, or a normal business that would be highly taxed or highly regulated.

- Highly regulated, right. - The interesting part is that if you were trying to get this kind of money into China, no way. They would not ever allow what we allow to happen freely, not behind closed doors, not secret,

technically not illegal what they're doing. In this case, it was, but I'm talking about these, what they're doing, the university funding. They would not let us do that kind of funding there. - We're gonna dive a little bit deeper into that as well

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join us, I want you to call me at 1-800-6-8-431-10. We are taking your calls and comments about the U.S. trying to summit as well as this mayor, and outside of Los Angeles, who had to resign today, or the U.S. today, there was an ounce today

because they had to admit that she was a working for China, and essentially a Chinese spy, promoting pro-PRC content throughout their website, propaganda, and even going to the information to post other things, this is what's happening.

And again, this is admitted, this isn't now it's gonna go to trial, this isn't a alleged, this isn't an investigation, this as she has admitted that this is what was happening. - That's right, this is pleading guilty

in this document that's before the court. Now she will be sentenced by a judge. - Well sure. - No trial, because this is a guilty plea. It just also goes to show, as we talk about all this,

that while the engagement is necessary by the president,

“it's also why being tough on China is so important.”

It is why we have been calling out the weakness by many politicians on China for a very long time. We have seen what goes on in China. We've talked about clients that we've had in China. We've talked about even the work that,

sometimes the ACLJ has had to engage in with China. It's a superpower that must be engaged, but cannot be taken lightly. And that is why something like this big summit, where the president's taking over business leaders,

tech leaders, all of these things to work on these issues

is always has this shadow of what China is doing

to try and influence the United States. They are very good at weaponizing our freedom against us. They know that they can go and use our freedom of speech. Things that you could not do in the people's Republic of China because of how restrictive it is, they can do here.

They can utilize that, the money, the speech, the freedom to try and push influence here and get their way and try to come out on top on the world stage. - Yeah, I think it's more interesting. It's kind of out in the clear air that this is what

happens. It's not just an allegation investigation. This is admitting guilty, this saying I'm guilty and going forward. Now, Rickord now's going to be joining us in the next segment,

because I do want to make sure we also put an ample amount of time on what is happening in China. As President Trump departs today to head to that meeting

with GGPeng and the whole summit that will happen.

A lot of it has to do with AI with the future of AI. Looks like he'll be the leader in AI. Where America will get involved with even the data farms and everything that needs to happen and how China will be involved in that as well.

Where they'll be able to take property. Where it's going to exist. We know this is a concern for a lot of the American people, but we also know the reality of it.

“I think that's where we're having something like Rickord”

will be interesting because the reality of the situation may be much different than what you hope and dream for. And I think there is that reality when it comes to China that we all have to be keenly aware of in our relationship with China.

That again, it's not as if this is in any other country that we work with. We are probably both fairly reliant on each other. Yes, and as much as we'd like to. Or not being best friends.

We ain't our own, because business wise, you would think we are. Like if you just knew that, really, if you were a computer, just looking at the relationship corporately. It's the money that's going through. And not the other kind of world, the human side,

military side, the security side and the influence side, that you would think that this is two countries who benefit greatly from each other. Listen, we've talked about reinvesting in President Trump as in our own manufacturing here,

but that takes years. It takes a very long time, if not decades. And like we were talking about that. And consistent leadership problem. It's your iPhone that's made it.

That's coming out of China. It's your $500 phone in your pocket. It is not the $5 pair of shoes anymore.

“So that's what they've gone to high tech.”

And again, the higher in products that are being important to the United States. And it's the next thing we have to figure out is cars. You know, they are a leader there. And we don't see that in the United States.

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Rick, we had you on yesterday.

that President Trump is heading out for. But now we have some interesting context to talk about the President going and having this summit with the Chinese. Because today, we find out that a mayor in your sunny state of California just pled guilty entered a plea agreement

with the United States for being basically a Chinese spy.

Now, is it super shocking? No, because we know all of the context of whether it be spies in Eric's wallwell's office. And I am fine, Steen's office. The consulate in Houston that was a den of Chinese spies,

whether it be the Confucius Institute or the police stations in the United States. We know how much the Chinese Communist Party tries to exert their influence here. However, the context of this coming out today

as the President goes there, I think, is a very good reminder for the people of the US of who we're dealing with. Look, this is a problem that we've been dealing with for a long time in which local and state elected officials, politicians,

find themselves in positions of leverage against foreign actors. Now, I have to be careful here and what I'm saying. When I was DNI, we had a situation during COVID that we had to give defensive briefings, as we call them. The defensive briefings is when the intelligence community

FBI or someone from the CIA shows up to telepolition that you're being leveraged against a foreign government.

And we don't always make an immediate assessment

of the motives by the politician. Sometimes, the politician finds themselves in these leverage moments where they didn't realize what was happening. They didn't know it was a foreign entity. Other times, they do know it's a foreign entity.

And they've crossed the line. And so the defensive briefing is really an offensive briefing to say, knock it off. And this happens consistently. Now, I'm somebody, when I was DNI,

“that I think that we should enforce the law when it crosses the line,”

I think these people should be prosecuted. I'm not sure that normal Americans get a warning from the intelligence community. But elected officials, many times, are getting warnings rather than prosecutions.

And I saw it happening a lot during COVID and the leverage was the PPP that we were trying to get from China. China would say, hey, say this, do that, and you'll go to the front of the line.

And that is the type of stuff that local and state officials need to guard against. Many of them are inexperienced politicians or new politicians. And they don't understand what's happening to them. But some, like in this particular case,

know exactly what's happening. And it's their part of the scheme.

“And so I think that this is a growing problem”

that we still haven't been able to fix. I think it's probably a human problem.

It's always going to be around.

But certainly, we need to be very tough on those individuals who are taking an oath to help the people and yet helping another foreign government. Well, Rick, also, when you think about the context of this as well, the fact that you have,

at the same time, people wanted to talk about election integrity and voter integrity. We have so many freedoms here in the United States that the Chinese government knows how to exploit our freedom of speech, the freedom of capital in many ways.

They know how to exploit these things to their benefit. I think, though, when you look at the problem for decades, how weak the US foreign policy was on this adversary, the necessary evil to some degree that these trade relations with China are,

that it took a back seat, that paying attention to how much they were exploiting the things that we take for granted sometimes on a daily basis. Now we have, and in the first administration, we saw this, we saw this with your work,

and we see it again. Finally, someone willing to say, we just got to stand up to them.

“We have to be tough, and I think that's the question”

is that what even these summits at a time where you're seeing all the things going on in the world, you still have this Iran war in limbo,

But is it that important for the people,

not just of the world, but of the United States, to see we have leadership who will stand up to China

“and will go and negotiate and get the best deal possible?”

- Well, let me give you one example about what the Chinese do is they try to inflame through our own courts, the American courts, or through environmental laws and actions that they take. They try to inflame some of the conversations

that we have around fertilizer, trying to get fertilizer banned, for instance, in the United States. They inflame the debate about the science of some of this stuff, knowing full well that if the Americans ban it, or at least stop the manufacturing

because it's expensive and the lawsuits and the regulation, they know full well that if we stop, they supply it. So it's a trade secret where they won't follow their own advice. They won't have tough environmental laws. They'll continue to make products that are questionable,

but they don't have to face the scrutiny

as much as the American business community has. And so we've seen that play out, but thank God we've got President Trump going over because he's clear eyed about the problems that American farmers have remembered

in the last trade bill. He really got a huge win for the American farmers, really forcing China to stop playing games and to buy more of the American agricultural products.

“And so I think you'll see farming as one of the top issues,”

but also just simple trade. Trying to make sure that China in the world trade organization behaves. We know that since they've been in it, when Bill Clinton was leaving office,

he put them in the World Trade Organization, the China's gotten worse when it comes to their trade practices, their currency manipulation. They certainly have gotten worse on human rights abuses. And so we're not seeing the progress that we thought we would see

by putting China in the World Trade Organization. Let's let President Trump do a good negotiation and come back with it with a big win for America. - When we have these big summits, obviously, there's so much work that goes into these summits

on the front end with all the diplomatic staff, the state department, the intelligence community, everyone working together. And with their counterparts on the other side, then you have a two-day summit,

and then you have the work that follows. Kind of the big get for these type of summits is normally some sort of sign statement or some agreement that could come out between the two leaders.

And then the work has to actually follow that. Do you think that there could be some sort of a big news item, a big get that the president is looking to get out of this? I know the diplomatic staff would love that, or is it mainly just gonna be a tough slog

and see where we end up? - Well, I think we have to remember that we have two different styles here that are coming together and the diplomatic crash is real.

The Chinese like to have everything buttoned up before the meeting even starts, they've given us, I'm sure I don't know for a fact, but in my experiences, the Chinese will have given us an outcome document

of let's be able to say this. It's basically a press release that says everything went great

and here's what we discussed before we even have the meeting.

That's what the Chinese like to do. Where Americans are much more, let's have a conversation and see what happens. Donald Trump is even much more so than an American traditional foreign policy by going all in,

discussing anything in everything in real time and pushing where possible. So we don't know exactly what Donald Trump is going to do. He's very unpredictable and it's very good for America to have a president

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Last segment of the show for today, I want you to be a part of it. There's still some lines open at 1-800-684-3110-1800-684-3110. One of the big conversation pieces we've been talking about all day

has been our relationship with China. What that looks like moving forward, whether you agree with President Trump's plan, you disagree with President Trump's plan. I see a lot from, even from Conservatives side saying,

they're getting nervous when certain concessions are made.

“But I think we have to be clear-eyed about this”

and understand that the relationship with China is at a interesting point. As Jordan said, on paper, if you were just to look at the analytical side of this, it seems like China would be one of our biggest allies.

Just for how much business that we do with China. But of course, we know what the last six years has held. We know what the last decades have held with our relationship with China.

It's certainly never been the clearest.

However, you go forward of what kind of business getting done in China, whether that's with our major companies, the film industry, the theme park engine, we know what it might be. Take talk, of course, that whole situation happened.

Look at all of the influence from China, but the manufacturing from China. But also the current relationship, the current needs that we get from China that we work with China on and how it works

in our economic favor at some point and how it can also be detrimental in terms of our relationship with them. And of course, we have the oncoming onslaught of AI, which we've all been talking about

for a number of years, of course it's here. And it's here in America, maybe, and again, I don't know what, how it's perceived in China. But I can only imagine, as Jordan said,

their relationship with humanity

has even a little different if we want to say it that way. That we have some concerns. If people who want to put guardrails up, people want to stop some of AI from getting out of hand, we will not see that similar structure.

We don't control the whole world. Now this relationship that we're having right now, this summit that we're having right now, maybe could put up some of those guardrails.

“- Well, and I think here's what's going to be”

the concerning thing. You're going to see, especially Democrats in the Senate that are big on foreign policy. We're going to rush to microphones this week and proclaim this entire summit of failure.

You say, "Look, Donald Trump, when there you made "concessions, there's a big failure." I mean, you can just write the script and then they'll fit in whatever issue they want after this is over that he failed on the world stage.

That is the biggest problem that I think that we're facing internally right now. It's not the fact that the Chinese government has spies that are mayors in California or in offices or all of that influence.

The biggest issue is that we have the left that will not even on such a global imported issue like this. Find ways to come together because there's a whole list of CEOs that are guaranteed you politically, not very conservative.

If you were to look at their donations, guarantee you, I know which party they were funding mostly. They're going with the president for this because they understand the global ramifications of this and the future of their company

and the future of technology in the United States. They're able to get over the fact that they're having to go with President Trump to China to do this because they know the importance of it. Instead, you're going to see politicians here in America

that are going to try and find ways to use this to score political points and you've seen this. It goes back to even the redistricting issue. They can't get it together and try to find a way to even just be truthful to the American people

about what's going on. When they fail, it's the courts are so bad. When their other side has something happen, it's their racist. It's all politics and they won't just get together.

On the serious issues, I know that's gonna happen. We are a polarized society. But something like this shouldn't be as politicized as I know it's about to be. - Yeah, and it's gonna be politicized,

but let's look at who is on this list that was going to be at this summit. We're not talking about a bunch of world leaders. You're talking about maybe world leaders in a business sense because you're talking about Tim Cook, CEO,

about the chairman of Apple. You're talking about Elon Musk. Of course, the CEO, Larry Frink of BlackRock, Boeing CEO, Goldman Sachs CEO. This is not just world leaders coming together

to come up with some concepts. This isn't even a G7GA summit.

And then you can go through it. The president of metal, all of these people that are involved, a lot of aerospace. These are the ones who are going to directly involve. And the ones that are going to be a little less,

“if you want to say, I don't want to say they're not political”

because they certainly are political, but they are looking out for their business interests. - These are economic relationship with China. It's not a cold war. It's not like we just kind of have weapons

point to each other and mutually asserted to discuss. We actually rely on each other. And the better our economic relations are, less likely it is that we have a kind of actual military conflict. Now, we know, though, that they fund our enemies,

provide the technology to our enemies. In fact, there's a lot of discussion. - A war with their knowledge, right now. - Right, I mean, that China and Russia are watching Iran very closely

because they're funding most of these Iranian weapons to see how they respond to much more expensive and high tech US weapons and what they can do with these smaller cheaper drones. So they've been interested in watching the war.

At the same time, we're sanctioning vessels that are trying to get Iranian oil out right now. All related to China. So on the one hand, yes, we are an economic conflict

and we are right on the edge always

of a military conflict. But the better our economic relationship is and the more fair. And what we do know is it trying to hit take advantage of the international banking system,

the currency, it's ridiculous. And they do have new industries. We also have to make sure, though, too, our auto industry is big in China. Their auto industry is catching up.

We don't allow it here. - Yeah. - How close are they to saying? - But they aren't. - You can get out here. - And share this up with us. - And share this up with us. - And share this up with us. - And share this up with us.

- For compete with vehicles, there's sometimes two or $300,000. They're competing with $50,000 worth of cost. They're creating some unbelievable things that we are not like. Think about the Huawei issue.

And there's always all over your Western Europe.

You could go to Paris to get a Huawei phone. The US we've stopped that. But again, our phones were the most expensive tech in America. Most of it, especially commercial, is trying to. - Yeah, it may not be, it's not designed

to necessarily in China, but it's actually created. It's designed in Palo Alto, California. - Whatever it is, that always pops up on your phone. But that is the reality of the situation. And look, anyone who is in the sort of tech world,

it is very popular to see a lot of the Chinese designs that are coming out, because they're doing some incredible work. And we have now allowed it, but many other countries have. And there is going to be a point where you start getting behind the eight ball, where you start becoming secondary,

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