BREAKING: Iran 'Sleeper Cell' Hits Europe

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And of course, in the United Kingdom, we know this is happening.

There are a rest made, actually, overnight. The ambulance fires, the ambulance bombings, if you will, that took place in a Jewish neighborhood in London.

“A Jewish charity that was taken out again, clearly targeted.”

At the time, we knew that some Iranian-backed groups were taking responsibility. We also know now is that these almost shadow-fo groups are being created to kind of keep people off the cent, if you will. And that is what is happening right now. There are almost bogus terrorist organizations that are all probably being funded and supported by the same people. But can operate a little differently, and there can be some light, some distance between the IRGC and these Iranian terrorist groups that are being, again, clearly activated right now.

That's right. So what we're hearing, and this is out of intelligence sources that told the Wall Street Journal, we also have reports that elaborate on this in CBS news, but this group called the Islamic movement of the righteous companions has been taking credit for not just the London attack, but many across Europe. We're talking about multiple in Belgium and the Netherlands.

These are places that aren't really making the news a ton because of all of the war news that's going on. But this group, this same Islamic movement of the righteous companions, has been taking credit for these attacks.

What's unique about this group is that according to intelligence services in Europe, they never heard of this group.

It wasn't even a thing until about a month ago. So it's coinciding with the war on Iran, what the prevailing theory is and what they have also been able to trace back is that these groups are using this front name, almost a shell terrorist organization name, to obfuscate the links to the IRGC. This is a Iranian exportation of terror into Europe as a direct response to the conflict. As we have been talking about, it is playing out, but they aren't taking credit for it directly.

They are trying to hide the fact that it is them using another weapon of war, this terror campaign. And CBS News has reporting that we'll get into later that they have people ready to move in Europe. Beyond what's already happened as well as potentially the United States. And obviously even this direct contact between Iran and Europe is much closer. There's a lot less land to fill, a lot less ocean to cover than terms to coming to America. But we do know that these potential sleeper cells exist within our country.

“I think it would be a demo of us to think that somehow we are fully safe, just due to our pretty massive border that we have.”

Now, that being said, of course, we have great security people are being more watchful. But again, as we'll said, there have been a lot more attacks, specifically on Jewish sites. Throughout Europe, way more than we're hearing about here in the United States. This is in Germany, this is in Belgium, this is throughout Europe in general, places are happening a group again. Mobital cocktails thrown at a synagogue two weeks ago, March 22, a foil attack on a synagogue in the Netherlands. This is happening. What seemingly is like daily at this point, throughout Europe in the end, the UK.

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specifically targeted at the Jewish communities throughout Europe.

Throughout the UK, and of course, we know here in the United States as well.

“Again, not Israeli embassies, not Israelis, not Israeli government. Where is it going after?”

Synagogues, Jewish charities, day schools. We saw what happened in Canada. All of these things are happening continually throughout the Western world now, specifically targeting, again, the Jewish community. Not direct, tied, organizations within the Israeli government. So when people start spending that it is not, they push against the Jewish community, when you hear this sort of anti-Israel rhetoric, look at where the targets end up.

When Iran decides to respond, a sleeper cell is a woken. Where are they sent?

They are sent to destroy a Jewish charity to target a synagogue, to try to cause mass destruction at a Jewish day school, or at an Orthodox school, or anywhere. This is happening, and now we know it's happening more and more, and we know that it's coming from the shell organization. So that's part of the very interesting here. When there is breaking news,

“what it looks like, what does a sleeper cell look like? I think that's something that people”

have questions about. Well, now we're kind of getting to peek behind the curtain, which is an organization that did not exist up until four weeks ago. What also didn't exist until four weeks ago, the war in Iran. So four weeks ago, it seems, an organization with a very long name was created to radicalize people, get people involved in terrorist activity, but we know that in general, this is all coming from the same source. And again, it's happening in a way, and we know this

because there are some arrest being made. There is a rest made in London overnight. Two people have been arrested so far on those ambulance bombings. But what we're also learning is because of how regular this is now throughout the Western world. It's not breaking into our news cycle, unless it's happening aggressively within our own country. But as we know, the creep that could come in from Europe, the creep that could come in from the United Nations

government, from the EU, from the UK, makes it's way to America a lot easier than it once did. And we have seen that time and time again, and it's only gotten worse over the last four weeks. Well, in once again, when we were talking about this group, that it's the English translation, it's much more difficult to pronounce in. I'm going to make you do it. Okay, Harakat al-Ashabab al-Yamin al-Islamia, which translates to Islamic movement of the righteous companions. You know, I've helped out with

some audio books around here that contain very difficult pronounced names, like should be clarified. Well, around the, we talk about the Jerusalem book that your dad put out the books on our side. Oh, yeah, positive for us to put out, however, calling out to be the bad guys. Okay. But I've had to read a lot of these names before. Anyhow, this translates to the Islamic movement of the righteous companions in, that's the English kind of translation. What we know about this group

is that it wasn't even an online presence. The first telegram chats that these intelligence agencies

were discovering were March 9th. And the Operation Epic Fury began on February 28th. It tracks directly after the action of the United States and Israel, this group pops up. And why they also believe that this has direct ties to the Iranians one, because they're seeing the messages the recruiting, they're understanding how this works. But you also see that how quickly from March 9th, they are able to actually carry out attacks. It isn't as if they're like, okay, let's create a new

group. Let's radicalize some people within a few days and then go bomb places. No, they are able to do this because this is the network that Tehran has been putting around the world for years. We know that individuals on Terra Watchlist have crossed our southern border. The DHS is their own

“number says more than 300 under the Biden years. That's how they set up these networks. And when”

you talk about a sleeper cell, they are not going forward in saying, we are Iranians. We are the ones that are doing this under the direction of the IRGC. No, they use a new name for a fictitious group to give Iran that that possible deniability, that layer of separation. So that also negotiations that the president says are ongoing, they can't say, no, no, that's not us. We're not

young adults who can be easily manipulated, can be easily radicalized. And I don't mean to paint that easy. But a lot softer of a target, if you will, for radicalization. And when you have a vulnerable,

“younger men who are looking for something and they get connected on telegram. And I think that's”

something we have to also realize we live in a modern world here. When you think of sleeper cells, you may think of some, you know, deep espionage happening. Right. They're operating a lot more

open than you'd expect. Because the first time some of these were brought to the attention,

we're just days before an attack, including Iranian telegram channel that called for sleeper cells to activate. You know, that's a quote. And once again, when you're seeing the messaging here, some of the channels that aren't related to this group were directly describing some of the attacks days before they carried out, the links are all there. It's almost a foregone conclusion. We know where this is originating. We know where it's being directed out of. And honestly, that is one of the

“more dangerous layers to the next phase of the ongoing conflict. As long as there are IRGC”

officials and commanders in place, even if they aren't the top of the top, they're going to

continue to try and do what they've always done. Hamas is a proxy of Iran. They coordinated

October 7th. He's Bala in Lebanon, the Houthis, as well as countless other groups that may have a stronger foothold end and people who pledged their allegiance to them than some of these other groups. But this whole model, we did a film called the export years ago that was about Iran exporting terror. We made that movie about what exactly Iran does in their playbook. We're seeing the fruits of that labor right now. And of course, it's coming from interesting places. Where

would it be coming out of? I don't know. Germany, where Iran has somehow a stranglehold on people

“there, where you're seeing this happen there and look, Germany over the last hundred years or so,”

80 years have been pretty hardcore fighters of anti-Semitism because obviously they had a lot to recover from. Yeah. And they don't take that very lightly. You can't walk around in Germany with a swastika. You can't walk around with an SS symbol. You can't have Nazi protests in Germany. But somehow, we've returned once again to it being one of the hotbeds that is leading to anti-Semitism being spread throughout Europe. But it's being spread throughout Europe in a different way.

Not through a traditional Europeans, their Germany, through what you think of when you think of German anti-Semitism. We are talking about a lot of it coming through again. These Islamic extremism

that is kind of crept its way through Europe. Here's what's also fascinating, but also a warning

is that the group in their public messaging has encouraged people in the European Union to distance themselves immediately from all American and Zionist interests and everything connected to them. So, basically saying, even if it's a synagogue, a church, anything that they see as connected to American or Zionists, that's their words, interest, stay away. Those are their targets. But also, it mentions CBS in their reporting. Talks about specifically that they are in their posts repeatedly referencing

Christian and Jewish philosophy to justify the group's actions. Now, once again, this goes back to what we've been talking about for weeks here, that the ideology that is demonic that comes out of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the leadership there. Their mortal enemies are the West. Their mortal enemies, are Christians. Their mortal enemies are Jews. They will not rest until they have ushered in their utopian apocalyptic world where they have wiped out all Christians and Jews and made everyone

their version of Shia Islam. That is what the Iranian, Ayatollahs, and Malahs believe. So, when you have these groups that are saying we're targeting Christians and Jews, take them at their word because they believe that they are commanded to do it in order to fulfill prophecy. It is, I say it all the time, is apocalyptic genocidal death cult and they are exporting that to the EU and to America. Don't be afraid, but be vigilant. That should be the name of the subterror group.

They have right now. Genocidal death cult. I mean, it sounds very similar to that already. Right. But that's just, I mean, Will is right. That is where we're at right now. Look, if you're watching

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“seen out of Georgia here. This involves a minister who expresses his pro-life views and actually”

went through the process to get a permit to do this. And in this city in Georgia, if you get a permit, they have a little clause that some like to call a Hechler's veto. It says you can get the permit and you can do your demonstration. But if anyone complains, it's invalidated. And then he got criminally charged because somewhat decided to complain. That's not really how the constitution

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Jason, he is a passionate evangelist who works near and abortion clinic. When the moms are coming in the driveway right here, we try to hand them information which is a gospel track and pregnancy info. So it has information for a pregnancy center where they can go and

get free ultrasound, free pregnancy care, everything's free. This is core to what the First Amendment

is the sign of protect. Both his religious practice and his free speech he wants to get out there and change hearts and minds. Our pregnancy center in Atlanta actually helps the moms for two years. For two years they can get free diapers, wipes and clothes. So we are offering the tangent will help but we also went off from the spiritual help and through sharing the gospel with him. Now the city force park is in situ to the permitting scheme. That's completely fine.

They're allowed to do that and Jason in effort to follow the law and got one of those permits. And those permits originally said he was allowed to use amplification at a particular place

We were just out here preaching one day like we've like I've been doing for years and all the

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of that. It's just all revolves around a complaint. It cannot be the case that speech which offends can be regulated and silenced more so than speech that is popular. For two months I had my sound permit revoked. I wasn't able to be heard out here and as we know when we went to court just recently the charges were dismissed so I feel like my free speech was violated but the city still insisted on putting this illegal and unconstitutional restriction on his sound permits.

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preach the gospel, preach the word of God and we want to see God convict their hearts and change their hearts, change their lives and we see children saved you know I see maybe saved almost every week as Christians we've got to do what we're called to do we're in a spiritual battle and we need to be out here preaching the gospel and being a voice for the voiceless. So once again you see the hard work of the ACLJ getting that dismiss but still fighting because we can do

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expressing their faith and their first amendment rights that they're going to have things like a hecklers veto but that's exactly what we're seeing. Yeah and this happens all over the country not just in places that you'd expect this is obviously in the state of Georgia this is outside of Atlanta this is happening in your streets and look if there is going to be and this is just truth if there's going to be what looks to be these attacks and sleeper cells in the streets not just

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unleashed across Europe across the UK and of course we've seen attacks already happening in America a lot of these organizations are shell groups that were created only in the last few weeks

we have intel saying they never heard these names before until the last four weeks this is what's

happening and they're doing that so you get a little distance but we all know where the backing is coming from we know what they exist and it's all coming again digitally it's coming from places like telegram where you know they're able to communicate a lot easier and we start thinking of

“the terrorist campaigns we honestly even still go back to a September 11th world a 2001 world”

where we still were on dial up internet for the most part right and you you don't think about how far we have all progressed these are not organizations operating out of caves this is not al Qaeda this is not the Taliban of the of the old we are talking about sophisticated organizations that are able to again communicate and radicalize young adults throughout the world well and that's a very key distinction as well Logan is that they are not just a terror group

the IRGC while they are an exporter of terror and they use terrorism to intimidate and to kill and to wreak havoc around the world they are a very wealthy well-oiled machine within Iran they control a lot of the business interest and that's where a lot of the revenues and tax dollars in Iran and sanctions relief by the way goes to the IRGC to fund these programs as well as their militias their special forces this is not as you said a terror group that is loosely

coddled together and in some desert and trying to figure out communications abroad they're

“very sophisticated we only got a couple minutes honestly it tickles today so I want to quickly go”

Derrick's calling ACLJ champion because you're a champion you're bump through a line Derrick go ahead Hey thanks for taking my call guys I just recently became a survivor these sleepers cells are it's concerning to me we've already had a tack in Michigan Dearborn Michigan I think is becoming a serious problem and the company is telling us the employees that we are not a lot to carry a weapon and my question to you is that a violation of the

second amendment? Well first of all Derrick a private company is not the government saying that you

couldn't do it so yes companies can have various regulations look at your line of work we understand they're concerned there we understand also Derrick that you're probably going to be confronted with this a lot more than other people are so with that we understand you're concerned

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show stay on hold we'll do our best to get to some more but Denise go ahead. Hi I'm calling from Ohio and the thing that is concerning me is nobody is going for the cyber attacks that I ran has been doing to corporate of the medical profession yeah and and our elections possibly. So Denise actually in these are the type of things that don't make a ton of news but the state department actually has formerly launched a new entity within the state department called the bureau of emerging

threats their entire mission is to safeguard American interest in the realm of cyber attacks and to safeguard us against that yes there have been some attacks that have happened that are traced back to Iran since the start of this conflict but the government is on top of that in the state department under Marco Rubio is making sure that is a priority and not just from Iran China, Russia, North Korea they all use cyber warfare to go after and try to weaken the united states

and our allies and the state department is addressing that directly so hopefully that gives you some peace of mind. Yep thank you to Denise for calling look if you're on hold right now stay on hold we'll

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joined by senior council for global affairs and someone who I can't imagine having a better voice

to talk about what's happening in Iran with and that of course is former secretary Mike Pompeo secretary Pompeo there's a lot going on right now the news the CBS news Wall Street Journal many others have been reporting and we've been talking about it today that terrorist sleeper cells are being awoken throughout Europe throughout the UK we've seen this happen now they're run by Iran and they have you know to try to deflect blame by creating these sort of fictional groups

these these organizations that are being run a lot of them only popped up in the last few months but we know where it's come from is someone who obviously former CIA director and you've been a part of this for a long time how sophisticated are these threats and we're seeing them start to

bubble up more and more even when they're not getting attention if you really look at what's going

on worldwide. There's definitely a lot of risk associated with these folks as you all know we've talked about this for years the risk of has lost cells at raining cells in the United States and in Europe primarily a look at FBI does it's best to protect your at home but as we've all thought about so many times we've had a wide open border for four years given them more space to move about the cabin here and create increased risk Iran direct them around underright

some of it's more inspired than in owned by but make no mistake about it it doesn't surprise me that what has been reported in London what we've seen in Europe over the last years and now during this war if you vanish we'll pull every tool out of the kit bag and one of those is doing split arm in the homeland to the United States so that the United States will call off the dogs and present transport back when I don't think that's going to happen but we all need to

be vigilant and local enforcement or state officials and our FBI I know are working this problem that's very very hard. And Mr. Secretary one of the more difficult problems when you are dealing with something like either inspired by or directly called for attack this report about this sleeper cell in Europe so to speak they're using what analyst or saying is a fake name that they are

“more directly linked to the IRGC but that's not the only way that they try to inspire and”

export terror there's also the the groups that get caught up in the messaging online and decide to take their own unilateral action that's sometimes more hard to stop when knowing that but based off what we've seen thus far we've seen attempted attacks here that have been less than successful as the terrorist would want which is miraculous in some degree we did see the tragedy at Old Dominion University where the professor was killed by the terrorist before he was stopped

but we have not seen the type of of mass scale attack as I would think the Iranians would want do you think our security services and and the apparatus here in the United States is being vigilant and working as needed at a time like this? I don't have any doubt that they are fully on point and indeed I am sure that before a president from Florence attacking into Iran alongside or Israeli partners that the local law enforcement and the federal officials were working very hard

to identify those that they suspected and it's keeping an eye on them so I don't think there's any doubt that there is a bunch of effort it could well be that they have taken down plots that we're

“not even aware of that didn't become public so yes I think they're taking it with a level of”

seriousness required but your point is very well taken structurally directed by Iran is much easier to identify and take down than someone who just reads about this or feels agreed in the way we've seen some of these terror attacks take place not necessarily Iranian back but Islamic political attacks inside of the United States for I mean way before the year but before the war started rather that risk is a real and law enforcement has a very difficult time

identifying these radicals and fearing about they've done it before I'm confident they're working hard to make sure that we're safe here at home and also this ties in perfectly is that just a few days before this report came out you actually wrote a piece for ACLJ.org that people can go read that says the American people deserve leaders who fight terrorism not excuse it and we have seen how differently different administrations can handle that fight

whether it be appeasing terrorist regimes or actually taking the fight directly to them is is the difference here in the world that we are in the way that this administration is taking the threat of terrorism seriously from a radical Islamic or foreign terror threat as opposed to looking

“inward in thinking the domestic terrorism that we saw for four years that was the only thing”

the FBI was looking at does that show the seriousness of where we are now

undoubtedly the president from peasants at the very beginning of his first administration when

enormously serious a president by then fortunately was they're right they were adjacent to the

“blame America first crowd and didn't want to offend somebody because of their religious faith”

president Trump understands that the risk of radical Islam is real here inside the United States and that terror begins abroad but can end up at home so he has been determined and has put resources against this problem so so long as I work with him for four years and I I'm very certain that there's a lot of folks working on this problem as we say here today. Try to keep a safe while there's this heightened tension taking place in the middle east. Right when there is heightened

tension and then there's talk of the potential conflict being resolved you know president Trump put us damn it saying they're having good talks we're gonna have this sort of ceasefire all these

things we're gonna happen that opens up a lot of questions to what's actually going on behind the

scenes because it's seemingly we're in the middle of what feels like you know you're not using the words war but a military moment that is that a lot of people have a lot of thoughts and feelings on however we haven't necessarily gotten to the point where regime change seems like an inevitability I'd say during the protests and all that it felt more like it when you had the people rising up we've seen some of the pushback that has happened from the American people

and we've seen even Iranian state television saying you know that the plan isn't what it is that's not going to go through when you have president Trump making these statements what are your thoughts as someone who's kind of been involved in working with this type of regime before when it comes to what you consider quote unquote you know good conversations yes call me call every skeptical as for a deal with this regime I've seen what our proposal

reportedly was I know what their public demands event they're not even close to each other I don't say that there's any opportunity at this point for a solution on the terms that

“would make sense for the American people and keep us safe and so while I think it is useful”

to continue to have conversations I've not yet seen the two sides grow any closer than when Mr. Christianer and Mr. Woodcock were made clear that the Iranians wanted to hold on to their nuclear weapons they wanted to settle in the Middle East all of those things that make no sense to keep Americans safe my what what I think president Trump is communicating is that I'm sure there are Iranian officials that are nervous scared they think everyone's a

massade agent and are trying to reach out to you that state to say no I can be the guy that's going to lead this country in a better direction and I'm sure the administration's trying to find that person or that group that can control the weapons control the guns control the missiles bring down the tension create it around it is normal and we are searching to see if we can't find that person somewhat into the same way we've done in Venezuela that can actually be respected by

the IRGC their care organization and lead a political renaissance inside of Iran they may well have found that person I hope that they have but I have not seen any evidence of that yet just a final question for you here because it kind of leads into that where their talks of this negotiation potentially potentially as summit of some sorts or talks in Pakistan but what we saw yesterday even as we continue we still see people from the Obama era that that still get TV time

even though many of their policies were disastrous for the country but yesterday we we talked extensively on the show about the former CIA director John Brennan said on MS now that he trusts the Iranians more than the president of the United States will be more truthful and just what kind of messaging is that coming from someone who's held a position that you have held have a similar former title I just wanted to get your thoughts on what you thought about that

that's outrageous to make such a statement to trust the Iranians at any level more than anyone out I mean these are some of the least trustworthy human beings they lie to cheat they engage in murderers again murderers against not only the welfare of states and going after Americans but their own people killing 30 thousand of them for a former American senior official like director Brennan to say that he trust the Iranians at all is simply well I'll be careful but it is

both ridiculous and outrageous and frankly it breaks my heart to see a former American official make a statement like that who once represented the greatest nation to history of civilization again it's issues where it only comes down to if talking about president Trump and that becomes a whole can of words look like we said we understand we were talking about your political rivals you call them liars it's just become the natural thing in America whether that's good

“or bad I think it's a different conversation to have or use to that what we're not used to saying”

is they this guy's a liar but those Iranians I trust them more look we get back we're going to have a whole other conversation now with Rick and Al joining us again we are thank you secretary

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“packed show today of course it is halfway through our stop the madness week if you want to be a”

part of the ACLJ team it's a great time to do it as we've been discussing worldwide everything's going on and of course within our country as well go to ACLJ dot org have your donation doubled Rick and Al joining us right now and well we have been really diving in a lot on what's happening with Iran and some of the sleeper cell situations and now you wanted to bring up that as well as the I guess you'd say the negotiations that may still be ongoing that's right in Rick this is we

is Logan mentioned we're doing something this week called stop the madness it's a it's a fun tie-in to this time of year but what we keep seeing as we dig through we're finding more and more terrible takes from the deep state as it seems to be yesterday we talked a lot about

“John Brennan the former CIA director telling Simone Sanders that he tends to believe Iran more”

than he does Donald Trump which was fascinating to hear but then we saw your best friend Jake Sullivan on with John Stewart where he was trying to argue that we shouldn't even be in this conflict because really he was just the American negotiators they just weren't able to really understand what the Iranians were offering like basically we could have avoided this whole thing they were all in agreement they're really trustworthy he's the guy who's been dupped by every adversary for more than a decade

but Rick I want to get your take on that Jake Sullivan is an academic he loves to be able to write papers about what should happen he theorizes of this is what the other side is going to do

and this is how we should react Jake Sullivan has been always terrible at the real time

crises and national security issues that come across his desk we've seen that he is the author of the idea that we could talk the Iranians out of a nuclear weapon meanwhile the Iranian regime has lied about the number of centrifuges the percentage of enrichment they the heavy water amount that they have been been using all of these issues point to the Iranians lying in order to get a nuclear weapon you don't need to enrich uranium inside the country you

can get it from outside but they've insisted on enriching their own uranium then we caught them with others other levels that they didn't agree to Jake Sullivan didn't have this in his white

paper he didn't understand that the other side is not always telling the truth he's very naive

very academic he is also the author of giving the Iranian regime billions of dollars in money sanctions relief and credit and they've used all of that money to wreak havoc across the Middle East with all of their procties including funding October 7 and so Jake Sullivan has been so bad at real-time national security that we should just shove him into an academic institution and let

“him theorize for the rest of his life well Rick you bring up October 7 I think we should play”

this flashback this is from eight days before the October 7 attack that was we now know conducted by Hamas but orchestrated and led by the Iranians this is by eleven from September 29th 2023 what we said is we want to depressurize deescalate and ultimately integrate the Middle East region the war in Yemen is in its 19 month of truce for now the Iranian attacks against U.S. forces have stopped our presence in Iraq is stable I emphasize for now because all of that can change and the

Middle East region is quieter today than it has been in two decades eight days after that one of the largest massacres of Jews and Israelis since the Holocaust and he was saying it's quieter than it's been in two decades why is anyone giving him airtime to theorize still about what's going on

comedy show so it does make sense that he and his views were taken with a sense of comedic value

“what what I think that is really important to note when Jake Sullivan is talking about”

everything being calm eight days before October 7 remember this if he was really watching the intelligence deeply watching intelligence not just the summary of what he would get from from his briefer but if you were really taking the time to dig into the classified information you would have seen elements of what was happening so that you wouldn't say everything is calm because now we absolutely do know that our intelligence was pointing to some issues going on in the lead up to

October 7 we just didn't have the exact moment and we didn't know the breadth of what was happening but make no mistake US intelligence and Israeli intelligence had pieces of this and so for the

“national security adviser sitting at the White House to say everything is calm just shows his academic”

strategy towards national security where he he looks at a summary and looks at things on paper and doesn't actually understand the reality on the ground Rick I mean you bring that up and you brought up a little bit earlier sort of the naivety of this situation I feel like we're experiencing that oddly throughout the country where if someone goes on a podcast or they go on a television show you feel like more than ever you'd be questioning you'd be looking deeper into the beliefs the

structures who's running things where the money's coming all those things that we've kind of been taught over the last few years and really been exposing the last few years of what's happening but now it feels like if it fits some sort of narrative whether that's on the right or the left they take it with sort of blind acceptance the yes of course this person is to be trusted and because they push

my narrative and that is what is 100% there and that's just never what we've been doing here

“no I think it's what you're really getting at is that you have to take the time and test”

the premise you have to dig into the information don't just accept what people are saying I think as consumers of news we all have that responsibility don't just believe everything that you read or hear get multiple news sources dig into it a little you have a responsibility as a consumer as an American as a voter to do some of the work and not just be so lazy where you just take someone else's opinion and use it as your own absolutely rich thank you so much for joining us today

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