BREAKING: Massive Coordinated FBI Raid Underway in Minnesota

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For call 1-800-684-311-0. And now your host, Logan, Secular. Welcome to Secular. Look, I've been saying what happened to this new story. For weeks, I feel like I couldn't escape what was happening in Minnesota.

Whether that was the fraud, whether that was ice, whatever was going on in Minnesota. It felt like it was top story for a very long time.

It looked like this isn't the number one story today.

The number one story of the day seems to be President Trump hosting King Charles. However, at the same time, we have actually some real updates out of Minnesota. This is on a more of the fraud situation than it is, and the ice situation. They've actually tried to say these are very distinct that this has nothing to do with each other, but we know they kind of have some connective tissue.

“And of course, we're talking about these massive raids that are now happening as we speak.”

A coordinated FBI raid that's underway in Minnesota, going after some of these businesses, that were clearly fraudulent or at least alleged to be fraudulent. This includes some of those heavy hitters, the learning centers, some of those ones that were exposed through YouTube, all of that happening right now. So look, as much as it felt like that this had become an old story that maybe the American

people, and not only the American people, that maybe under after you had Christi Nome relieved of her nudity, then you had Tom Holman step in also during this that maybe not only did it quiet down, maybe they just said, hey, let's just slowly phase this out, clearly that's not true. Clearly there was still a team working on this as so much so that they're doing this now.

That's right, the FBI in coordination with homeland security investigations, HSI has raided or is in the process of raiding 22 locations in Minnesota, related to fraud investigations from the Department of Justice. This is one of those things that you start to look at and you're like, oh, was anything going to happen to everyone saw it, but then, yes, for law enforcement to take these actions,

they have to do preliminary investigations, they have to get warrants. And what you see now happening is the raids in the furtherance of those investigations. Then we will find out if they are able to at least alleged enough to bring charges of fraud against individuals. We're in the raid phase right now.

We have seen footage of FBI agents going in and out of places like the Quality Learing Center,

“may remember, for most of the morning, meaning they are going in, they are seizing documents,”

seizing things that could be used as evidence in a fraud investigation. This is a big uptick in what we saw all the news talking about. And we even saw people in the government. We saw JD Vance. We saw everyone saying this has got to stop, but then it kind of did go quiet.

We did see that the president tasked the vice president with that very important role of leading a task force into fraud. And then we saw some things in California, get uncovered, but Minnesota kind of went away until today. Yeah, we're going to dive a lot more into that when we get back and look, there's only two

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So right now, if you're joining us, you want to know what is going on in Minnesota.

“No, this is not a replay, no, this is not old news.”

We are finally getting back to what was going on with that massive fraud that was going on in Minnesota.

Some, you know, the fraud scandal that ended with Tim Walls stepping down from his reelection campaign. Remember, it was a big deal for a few weeks there, but then we moved on. War happened in Iran, we've had an assassination attempt. There has been so many other topics that took the American people's eyes off of what was going on right here so much so that I kind of assumed and look, they had to do a lot of clean up.

“I think a lot of people had combined this in the ice situation in Minnesota and a lot of us said, you know what they need to really take a look at what's going on with the ice.”

Because those things and glad they're separating them in the way they're talking about this right now are not the same thing.

You can have massive fraud that's happening and you could also have an issue with maybe the, some of the extreme nature that happened with ice so much so that you got to remember. Because you may go, well, it wasn't extreme. We never problem with it. Well, clearly a president did because you have a different department of Homeland Security head, you have maybe a time home and step in. You have a lot of changes since then, different department of justice. You have a lot of people who have swapped places new people because maybe that one went too far, but at the same time and maybe that's why they need to give it a little bit of a gap.

They needed to give you a time to kind of forget about the ice raids and move on to having these new raids in Minnesota, which most people are in favor of which is where people Scamming and frauding a state to the tunes of billions of dollars. Nobody likes that. Nobody wants that even Tim Wall said, you know, we're trying to step up our game here. We're trying to make things better. The pressure got so hard on him that he could not run for reelection. That is what happened in Minnesota. Time moved on. And now you have the FBI once again doing their job stepping in and saying, look, some of those ones specifically, those learning centers that were spelled wrong.

The ones that were shut down that clearly weren't actually operating were just fleeting the government for money. We are doing our job here and try to take care of some of that business. Well, and when you look at what's going on, 22 locations, including child care centers in Minnesota were rated by the FBI as well as homeland security investigations. They was a coordinated effort. We also see that J.D. Vance, the vice president, he responded to a report from Bill Maloojin at Fox News on X saying the task force and the DOJ will be relentless and exposing these fraudsters wherever they may be hiding as well as you're seeing a lot of other movement. It's not just Minnesota.

And I see comments on here, and this is a part of that conservative nihilism that nothing will ever happen that the low is the world. Nothing can get better. I see this and I say, one, it's why we have to keep pointing out that this is something that the American people care about.

Because you get movement also, these are court ordered warrants. So court approved warrants to go in on these raids. It wasn't just they walked by in the FBI decided to break down the door and go in.

They did it through the proper channels, which means they're building a case, so that it's done properly if they go to court, they can get convictions against fraudsters. But there's a lot more here to break down to.

“And I want to stick this call because it is a question that we've answered, but I think a lot of you who are just tuning in are having this question. Robert, Maryland, go ahead.”

Yeah, I wanted to ask up what are some of these raids taking place in Minnesota? Are these raids concerning fraud or specifically also dealing with the fraud concerning some of the Somali immigrants that were taking place in the state of Minnesota? The other question I had was, how much information do they have on the would be a fast and a president Donald Trump? Yeah, let's start with a couple different topics there. A lot of these are Somali businesses. We know that this is where it's going. Now these aren't isolated raids. These aren't specifically. They're made up. They're actually pretty big deal. I say, this is not immigration.

We are dealing with just fraud. Now it happens to be the lot of that fraud was coming from the large Somali American population. And that is in Minnesota. Hopefully we can kind of see past maybe that side of it and go, this is just fraud is fraud. If you have billions of dollars being wasted, that goes beyond any sort of racial or ethnicity that needs to be taken care of. And that will has a little bit more details on that to give you answer about there would be assassin. I think there is quite a bit of information. We have more information on this guy than publicly than we ever did about the actual shooter from Butler.

We have probably a little bit more than even from the previous one in Florida. There's a lot of details that are coming out.

That's right. And to that point as well, he was formally charged yesterday. He was arranged in federal court. And there was another charge that wasn't reported in that the news that morning. They actually did charge him within attempt to assassinate the president. So that was an extra charge. And I think a lot of that stemmed from the information they already had from whether it be his manifesto of sorts of cities and his family and other things that I know he did speak with law enforcement according to reports for a little bit before deciding to stop speaking with them.

So they felt like they had enough to bring that charge as well the attempted assassination of the president himself. Now Judge Janine, who is the US attorney, there has also said the more they go into his digital footprint, the more they will find out there. They're very well could be a super seeding indictment that will bring even more charges against this individual. But as of right now, we know a lot more like you said, then we knew about the Butler Pennsylvania assassin would be assassin that was killed in that situation.

So what about him now? Right, you know, a few days in. I mean, that is still one of the weird ones like I'm not a conspiracy theorist in general, but there's a no, no information. Well, I did see that there was some post from the social media of this this individual who's now in custody, where he was questioning the validity of both the the Butler assassination attempt. I think it was that one specifically because he was pointing out that, oh, he had no scar, et cetera, that the irony of a would be assassin of the president was questioning the validity of a would be assassin of that same individual, just what a bizarre, sick twisted world we're living in.

You said you brought that up, it's the same people that would honestly be probably calling for this are the same people that are going to say it's fake right and it's a very odd situation to be and obviously very disturbed. I look very disturbed American people right now and we do need to figure out some sort of path back of course. The situation with Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Kimmel, then went on air last night and that wasn't the joke the joke I was making was their age gap and nothing to do with any sort of assassination attempt. You can take that for whatever you want if you want to believe that that's fine. You had George Clooney coming out saying, look, I don't think he was saying was a joke.

I thought what he was saying was a joke and I thought Karen the Levitt saying the shots fired was a joke, but in general, how about we just bring it all down and even said as a Democrat, a proud Democrat someone who's loud and proud talking about it that he thought it was time to see that happen and that you have a robust journalist who sure you're going to have journalists who are always going to poke back you of comedians that are always going to poke back make jokes and share a joke can be a joke and I understand that I'm not in any form of censorship, but I do think there is a bit of

“read the room right now and what's happening and we'll see societally if anything it changes, I don't expect it to. I expect you to be as expected within hours things had really adjusted.”

Well, when the leader of the Democrats and the House of Representatives, the days after the attempted assassination on a room full of journalists and people that were unafiliated even with the government,

says that we are declaring maximum warfare on Republicans as the leader in the House.

And then when people call you out, you double down on it and say, well, someone an anonymous source to the New York Times in the White House said something similar. When you're trying to equate yourself to an anonymous White House source, when you are the named leader of the Democrats in Congress,

yes, maybe as Logan said, maybe you both shouldn't be saying maximum warfare on each other at this point, but you're going out and owning it unlike someone who would do that anonymously.

“I think that there are some issues that we should maybe parse out there, but I have more information on fraud, we can get to later.”

We also have CC, higher coming up in the next segment about an update from one of our clients in Pakistan as we continue this faith under fire campaign as we talk about the ways that the ACLJ defends religious liberty both here and around the world.

But there's some really interesting stuff because I'm seeing questions in the YouTube chat that say, well, okay, maybe this is too little too late.

It's just small potatoes if you're only going after Minnesota. There's a lot of other interesting things that are also happening today that to me say this is a much bigger operation than just these raids in Minnesota will get to that stick around. So those type of questions I want to hear from you and phone lines are, let's just be honest. We have a big numbers on social media tons of you are watching on YouTube right now. We appreciate that if you're on YouTube and you're brand new by the way hit that subscribe button. We do this show every day.

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“In some of these, like I said, we're talking about persecuted Christians. We're not talking about just, you know, obviously the case isn't a very important, like street preacher in Chicago,”

wherever it may be. Those are no small potatoes, if you will. But there is a difference between that and what is happening in different countries. And some of these different countries, you legitimately have people on death row just because of their faith. And we have an update. And it is a pretty gripping chilling update. So just fair warning. That's right. And CC, before we get to this, because we receive something that we don't generally get, and this is a letter from one of our clients who is on death row in Pakistan.

And I'll read that for everyone. But I want you to give us a little bit of a background. Who are these brothers, a moon and Kaiser Ayub, who are on death row in Pakistan? What were they accused of? And just the tireless work that our attorneys are doing for these individuals.

“Yeah, and I'll tell you how this came about. We have an office in Pakistan, obviously. And we have four clients that are on death row right now for false blasphemy charges.”

And wonderfully, actually, one good thing is they're all together in one prison. And we actually petition the prison because they do not allow visitors other than family members. And we petition the prison when our attorney, Sherri Argil, who oversees the Pakistani office, he's Pakistani. And he went over there just at the beginning of the month and got permission to actually go and see our clients and actually have a meal with them. And so, at this time, he was able to encourage them, give them updates. And this is where this letter has come from.

But a moon and Kaiser Ayub, one of our false blasphemy cases, it was involving a website that actually the court has never proven the prosecution has never proven never shown any evidence.

But these poor young men have been in prison for 11 years and Kaiser, the older brother, actually, then wrote this letter. And you think about that, that they were young men on death row spending now probably close to a majority of their life on death row in Pakistan. And Pakistan, once you get to the higher court has a fairly modern legal system, but they have these blasphemy laws, where you can say you heard someone say something about the prophet. And you can put on death row sentence to death for something as simple as relaying information or even not even saying anything at all and someone falsely accusing you.

But here's what the letter from Kaiser Ayub says, says greetings in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, praise the Lord who is providing all of our needs through you all.

All the efforts you all are doing to make us free and to make our life easier means a lot to us.

“There is no doubt that promise of crown of life is certainly for people like you all.”

What else you deserve for such good deeds keeping pain of being imprisoned away from us and to be the voice of voiceless. Life in prison is not easy, but you all and love our Jesus love of our Jesus Christ keep us happy and satisfied. Me and my younger brother Amun have spent almost 11 years behind bars still our morale is high and our faith in our Lord is firm because we know it does not matter how big and strong is our enemy. If we believe in God is on our side, who could stand against us? We are satisfied that by the grace of our Lord and with the help of our brave soldiers of Christ that are you all, we will soon win our freedom from the hands of in just world.

Thank you again for all your miraculous help and efforts your brother and Christ, Kaiser IU. It just goes to show that when you support the work of the American Center for Law and Justice, you are supporting the fight for Kaiser IU.

But some things are just bigger even than a fraud investigation. These are two young men who are sitting on death row in a prison in Pakistan, C.C.

And you read that and the almost brings tears to your eyes that they're as young men, how strong their faith is sitting on death row and knowing that there are people, the tireless attorneys like yourself that work for them as well as the supporters here in the United States.

“Prop up this organization that keep us going, keep our fight going, to try and save them from their death while they're sitting there, like wishing in prison.”

And the prayers of the people, I know people who listen to this radio program and follow the ACLJ, we know that you pray for our clients and just the fact that brings so much hope to them that they're not forgotten.

And like you said, here they are 11 years in prison, but they remain hopeful because of the person's support of our listeners.

And you know, it also shows two Shazad, Macy is one of them that's in prison with him and you've heard about that young man who is arrested falsely, again accused of blasphemy. And he's been given actual chores to do in the prison, like Joseph, he's been given favor in the prisons. So these Christian young men, their testimony is even, you know, flourishing in the prison. So there's just on death row, yes. So again, that's the work of the ACLJ. Hard at work, our team. This is nothing to laugh at. These are no joking matters. These aren't even things that even compares, we'll say to what some of the struggles we have in the United States of America.

Sure, there's a lot of unrest for Christians, there's a lot of unrest for Jewish people in the United States of America right now. And look, some of them have lost their lives. I'm not going to say that's not happening. But it's not sitting in prison, the government hasn't said yet, at least, that, you know, being a Christian is something that is punishable by death, but that is happening in other places in the world. And as why when we talk about the ACLJ's worldwide efforts, I know it can get lost in translation a bit, and I try to bring it up, and sometimes it clicks and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the audience wants to hear it and sometimes they go get back to what we're talking about. Look, we're going to get back to Minnesota here in the next segment.

“But this worldwide reach this worldwide effort, and remember, when you're watching on something like YouTube, a rumble, wherever it may be, you're talking to our ACLJ.org. We are talking to the world.”

Our viewing base. We still get calls from all over the world. The ACLJ exists so hopefully this message gets out there. If you're in need and you're somewhere else, you're not just in America, go to aclj.org/help as well, or somehow reach out to our teams. There's the European Center. There's the ACLJ Jerusalem. We have office impacts it. We have all of these places where the ACLJ is hard at work, and the efforts don't stop. And they are 24 hour, you know, not taking off a lot of holidays when we're talking about people on death row.

We don't stop, and we keep fighting. And we do that. And you know, there's a time change. So we do work around the clock. We've done that when we had clients in Turkey and India in Pakistan. We do, and we fight for justice, and we don't stop until we get it. We appreciate you. Thank you so much, C.C. for joining us. Look, we have one minute left in this segment. Some of you lose this if you're on threshold radio. If you're not, stay tuned. If you're on serious sex, Sam, if you're watching on sale, and news channel, if you're watching on aclj.org, YouTube, we'll get the full hour. Some of you on threshold radio don't get the full hour. If you don't, find us on any of those platforms. The ACLJ app, aclj.org, YouTube, rumble. You can find us on all of those wherever you get your podcasts, where there are cived, and watch and listen to the full hour of this show.

We're going to dive back into what's happening in Minnesota. That big coordinated FBI raid that's happening right now as we speak on a lot of the fraud and abuse that was happening within that state. And we're going to take it to how that affects other states as well in the next segment. So don't go anywhere. That being said, 20 seconds left. If we do lose you here, two days remain in our double the difference drive, and I really need your support today.

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And now your host, Logan, secular. Welcome back to secular second half hour. We are talking about the current FBI raids. Again, this is not a rerun. This is what's happening live right now.

Minnesota finally is getting some accountability for the fraud scandal that broke out just a few months ago. And of course, as we said, news moved on. But what it looks like is even the new people in charge of the Department of Homeland Security or the FBI. They did not move on. This is not specifically related to immigration. I want to be very clear about that. They've made it very clear about that. This is not ice.

However, this is not related to the immigration issues that were also happening in Minnesota. Remember those were two things that happened almost simultaneously within a week or two of each other broken out. But remember this scandal was big enough to where Governor Tim loss former Vice President or candidate Tim loss had to suspend and his run for reelection.

So the people in Minnesota have a lot to say about this. We got a call coming in from an ACLJ champion. Let's go to Mike in Minnesota Mike go ahead.

Yeah, you know, I'm still glad that the FBI is really getting involved in Minnesota. One of the things that I'm really concerned about though is what is the punishment for these people that are stealing billions and trillions of dollars from us. And the leaders and the governors are involved in this stuff and the, you know, the Democrats are just stealing us blind and then using the funding for campaigns and remaining in power.

“I believe that they ought to have such a punishment that's so severe that it stops now if they sent these people to prison in South America, I guarantee you this stuff would stop immediately.”

So what do we need to do to create the punishment necessary to stop the fraud, the theft, the assassination attempts on our president and everything else. Our country is going to pieces and we need to stop it. Mike, I think one of the key things here is that we've seen for so long how the system was working that it was these bloated budgets and government bureaucracies that we're funding these things with little oversight and not a lot of accountability that allowed for this fraud to get so rampant.

And now you're seeing it being paid attention to. You're seeing these raids on the places in Minnesota. I'm going to bring up in the next segment what the Secretary of Agriculture pointed out.

This is Brooke Rollins who oversees the SNAP program. That's under the Department of Agriculture. Some of the fraud they're seeing there, some of the questions that are being raised.

“So I think that one thing is clear though. This is rampant and needs to be dealt with.”

We also need to make sure that things are done under the Constitution that the people that are held accountable, that do process exists, that they go through the proper channels to seek a conviction of people that are guilty of fraud.

So that it preserves the system and makes it stronger. Not that it further deteriorates our judicial system and our rule of law here. That remember even President Trump he ran on the rule of law.

So we cannot abandon our principles that are constitutional principles and legal principles just because we want an expedient result. And that's one thing we point out here all the time. Our legal system oftentimes will not get you the expedient result.

“And if we are going to be as we say, believers in law and order, we cannot abandon those principles even if it's so frustratingly slow sometimes. We still have to stick to it.”

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Welcome back to secular. We do have one line open right now, 1-800-6-8-431-10. You're going to take your calls throughout the rest of the show. So keep calling. Because you know this topic, a lot of you have some big thoughts, some big questions. But we also, well, wanted you to hear from some of the people who are running this, somebody who are in charge of this, and who do you want to hear from. Well, and this is what's interesting too, because I've seen a few comments. One, there is the typical nothing will ever happen. And I think this is proof that at least it's moving towards something happening.

But two, it's that it's not just this raid in Minnesota. There's been several things that have happened today, and one, I'm going to play for you in a moment, because it is, it's incredible when you hear the numbers.

So they are cracking down around the country today, and they're even posted a picture of the warrant, seizing these assets $2 million. So that's in LA. Now, we have the Secretary of Agriculture, who went on on television, on Fox Business, and was talking about recipients of snap benefits. Now, most of you may not think of immediately that snap is under the Department of Agriculture, so this is under her per view, Brooke Rollins.

“Yeah, I didn't realize that. And so, because, firstly, why are you playing a bite from the Secretary of Agriculture?”

Now, they're starting to look at fraud within the snap system. And here's what she had to say on Fox Business, bite one.

Previously, no data was shared. We had no idea where the taxpayer dollars were spent, just one red state, the recent dump of data. We found snap recipients had more than 2,000 Tesla owners, 200 alpha-remail owners, more than 144, that were receiving food stamps, were driving porches. Again, this is the data dumps we're getting because that we, before we had no accountability on any of these programs, we now are requiring accountability. The blue states are suing us, they don't want to share the data, and can you imagine this was a red state where there is actually some taxpayer accountability.

Imagine what's happening in the blue states if that's happening in the red state.

So, when you hear that from the Secretary of Agriculture, and she's saying that the data they received in just one state in her post on X that shared the clip actually gave more information. Maybe too much information, so much in one state, and this is a red state. And remember, and this kind of goes back to where I was saying the bureaucracy created a system where there weren't a lot of oversight and accountability. Because they weren't getting data back, the federal government giving the dollars for the states to run these programs.

We're not getting data back from the states about where the money was actually going to go. I'm just going to say this for the chat because we're not going to speculate. I want to know what state you think is talking about. Let's just take some guesses here. Nothing gets any of those states, but you know it's a red state. This is like some sort of mystery.

“You know it's a red state, and then let's hear some of the data, and I just want to know where you think this may be from, because I think it may be fun to speculate, and then maybe later on it will be revealed.”

Right, so this is one state, 14,000 individuals receiving snap benefits were driving luxury vehicles. Snap, that's a supplemental nutrition system for ramps, that's food stamps, so 14,000 receiving food stamps, driving luxury vehicles. Here's a breakdown of some of those vehicles. Three Bentley's, three Ferraris, 11 Lamborghinis, 59 Mazarades, 141 Porsche's, 244 Alfa Romeo's, 306 Alanrovers, 2000 and 98 Tesla's in one state. And then she goes on to say we need to defend our nutrition programs for those most in need, not for scammers gaming the system, and she also says together with the vice president's task force to eliminate fraud, this ends now.

But just those numbers alone, I mean, some of those cars cost more than half a million dollars for one of the vehicles.

Three Bentley's, three Ferraris, 11 Lamborghinis, and they're getting, they could have been used. Okay, Logan, they could have been 20 year old models, we don't know this, it doesn't make sense to Tesla's. Well, you know, you get the tax credit. It's a metric, you know, there's no, no, the paper trail feels a tight, but only internal, see one person said they think it's California. Remember, it's a red state. Oh no, I see, there's, there's one big, there's two trends that I could see in there, I'm not going to say which ones, there are two states, one's very large, one's also very large.

Both of those are the ones people think, I don't know if look, I'm a proud former and current property owner, one of those states, I feel like I'm being targeted by our chat right now.

“It would make sense, especially the sharing of the data with the federal government. That's the other key. And they want to get it taken care of. Who knows how long this has been going on?”

Well, I do a long time because they haven't been sharing the data. So it's like, I know, I have an alpha from that. That's a terrible joke, Logan. But then when you look at this though, and that as she even said, the blue states are suing saying, no, you have to give us the money, we don't have to give you the data. That shouldn't be how this works. But those blue states know that the current system is good for them. So I see a lot of people are like, we want the leadership of these states to be criminally charged.

We also don't want all of a sudden a witch hunt to take place and say, this leader, this governor, because this was happening because of laws that were put in place by administrations from long ago that made these rules so loose that made it so comfortable for people that would allow this to continue to remain in power that doesn't necessarily mean they broke the law.

It means they benefited from a very, very corrupt system. Let's actually restate. I see so many of you are just joining us, we're asking about what's going on in Minnesota.

I know maybe you're just getting served this content. So let's reset just a little bit here. Take it back. There are grades going on currently a lot of these. Again, don't have to do with immigration, but they do have to do with that fraud that was come out of a lot of them were Somali American run businesses that we know we're taking funding and putting it elsewhere, not actually into the programs of which they were supposed to benefit.

“Again, this is not a commentary on snap benefits. This is not commentary on child care. All of those things I think have a place in society. I think they have a place for if you're going to be spending federal or state dollars on programs.”

I think those are good programs for them to be spent on what happened was you had so many businesses that were being created to get this funding that weren't actually doing what they said they were doing.

Many of those were child care centers, learning centers, remember, that were spelled wrong. All of those big red flags that weren't being caught while they were caught.

And they ended up becoming kind of one big story with what was going on in Minnesota with ice. Now we know the ice situation in Minnesota is much calmer, it's much different new leadership. In the same instance, we kind of thought that maybe the FBI had moved on from what was going on in Minnesota. That's not the case in a series of rays we're happening. Actually, we're happening right now. That's right. 22 locations have been rated today in Minnesota by both the FBI in coordination with Homeland Security investigations.

“A large number of these locations are Somali linked businesses. One of them was the quality leering center. Remember that was the famous quality learning center daycare that had the sign misspelled.”

Which kind of became the poster child if you will for the entire system in Minnesota. Now the FBI and the Department of Justice are they got court ordered search warrants.

They are moving forward with this investigation. They are doing this what appears from the outside in the proper way. And I think that is key. Because we cannot get to a place where also mob rule of saying, hey, we see this do something government. They will do it, but they have to do it the proper way. And it's encouraging to see that this story didn't go away with the new cycle for those in the Department of Justice in the FBI and Homeland Security. They are taking action. They are taking evidence. They are building a case against people that a case needs to be built against. And so we look forward to more information coming from this.

But this is a big deal because it's not just happening in Minnesota. You see the assets were seized in California. You also saw that just a few weeks ago, the government of California, the attorney general had to conduct a big bus stop of a Medicaid fraud ring for hundreds of millions of dollars. This is getting results.

“And it's because of you making it clear, this is important, but also the administration continuing to put pressure to root out fraud in our system.”

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31 minutes and 50 seconds. To be exact. There you go. Actually, have it longer than that scene. What good for you? Go ahead, Rob. Rob you there?

“The protocol. Yeah, I'm here. What's the protocol for these people to be taking our tax dollars from us and then giving it to other people?”

Isn't there some sort of no oversight? There's no director of contracting that should be overseeing this stuff, especially in the Department of Agriculture, with the SNAP program. I mean, this Medicaid is Medicare for I've been going on for decades. I've seen it. I've heard about it. It's been going on forever. And so when you got somebody in Minnesota applying for four times with the annual amount was the year before, shouldn't it have raised a flag to one of these federal employees that hands out this money?

Rob, I guess inevitably eventually it did. It just took some time and a lot of people's eyes off the ball and a lot of people likely involved in this scheme, if you will. So look, I think there are protocols or certainly people in those positions, by the way, Rob. It's not like it just went to that because look, if you're in a blue state, let's say you're in the state and in Minnesota, you are excited about these programs, probably being supported and being funded. But if you're not doing the actual homework to see if these are legitimate, you're probably getting a request, and maybe even during times when COVID era and that kind of thing, they were just getting blindly struck checks it feels like.

Well, in Rob to that point, we know that in Minnesota, there are actually people that were Democrats that worked in the administration or worked in the government of Minnesota that were are saying, we were calling this out to the governor's office, repeatedly, and nothing was happening. There is a lot more to dig into there. I think it'll be very interesting what comes out, what who knew in what positions in the wall administration. So I think to that point as well, the state that we have this system, where a lot of these programs are administered by the state, but funded by the federal government.

So already you have a disconnect because it's the federal government sending a check to the state and then the state, dishing it out. And then you have a disincentive by states and then federal agencies to spend less to have less people on their roles.

Because then the budget shrink when it goes to Congress for a new budget. So that's across the entire government. There's always a disincentive to spend less than you are allowed to spend.

“There's the other odd thing. And remember, the Democrat party 30 years ago, 1996 Bill Clinton passed welfare reform. That used to be not a taboo thing.”

Now when that red state that we are talking about, that we don't know what it is. But when they kick off the 14,000 individuals receiving snap benefits that are driving bit least Ferraris and Lamborghinis and Mazarades, you can bet that the left will run ads saying people lost their benefits under Republican 14,000 people lost their benefits. Because it's no longer about sound welfare policy or economic policy. You cannot have this debate anymore. It's just whether or not welfare is should be expanded or released economically in a conservative ideology versus a progressive ideology because it's so out of control.

If you get to have more calls for we wrap up. Let's go to Elizabeth and Pennsylvania. Go ahead Elizabeth. Hi. I'm a senior citizen. I graduated from high school in 1965.

And in simply class, we were taught that we could not say we were going to kill the president or something like that.

“That if we did that, we could be arrested. Were we taught incorrectly or is this true?”

Elizabeth, you can't make threats like that. None of that is legal. I think what you're having right now is the rhetoric has gotten so commonplace that you're talking about determining what threats are authentic. Because sadly, that kind of rhetoric has become fairly mainstream. And it is really sad that that is where we're at. I think there are a lot of fingers that can be pointed to what is caused this rise.

Where people don't necessarily know or maybe they're egging it on. Maybe that's what they want. Maybe that's their in-game. This becomes some hero by being arrested for this.

Well, and Elizabeth, it's 18 US code section 871 threats against president and successors to the presidency. Yes, it's a federal law.

“And I think to that point as well, it is so commonplace and so overrun, because so many more people have access to a platform.”

That it may be impossible to charge everyone and police this at this same rate. I don't disagree with you. There are a lot more calls coming in. We only have a couple minutes. We'll try some of these. Look, I'm looking at them right now. All of them have to do with this snap situation that we discussed. Let's go quickly, Charles. In Kentucky, Charles, go ahead.

Yes, I used to be a social worker. I've never seen your status in the 1980 to '83.

But I don't understand why everything moves so slowly. It's like hurdles, like hurdles and hurdles. Charles, nobody. I like that someone in their 80s is calling in and going, why are things moving so slowly? That shows you how slow the federal government sometimes the state government can run. There's what I want to give you a little bit of reassurance. What was going on in Luxarch?

Celia and Russ, I'm not going to get to you today. You weren't all on that line, but I do appreciate you calling.

The new cycle makes everything feel like things happened months and months and months and years ago.

“Remember, the Minnesota fraud scandal was this year. Was within the last two months, three months, maybe?”

Sure, we've had a war since then. We have had assassinations, attempts in the last week. The new cycle moves fast and everything your mind can go. Okay, well, I forgot about that. I do think what this is good reminder is that you do have an FBI. You do have an Department of Homeland Security. You do have even Department of Agriculture. You've all of these departments and branches, even though they're not making headlines. You know what? I appreciate that sometimes. They're not making headlines. Doesn't mean the work is stopping.

Two quick things on that before we wrap up the show. One, yes, the wheels of justice do turn slowly.

“Most people forget the second part of that quote, but the grind is exceedingly fine.”

Meaning, it takes a while to get to justice, but justice needs to be precise. And that's a good thing too. It isn't a bad thing that someone that goes on on YouTube and produces an expose. It isn't immediately charges by the federal government. Right? Like, you can expose thing as an independent journalist. That's great. But you also want the government to do the work that your facts have to be checked. Someone doesn't do the same without data or facts. Make an accusation against anyone and then all of a sudden you have mob justice.

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