UPDATE: Trump and Iran Reach Boiling Point

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Will the war in Iran resume?

Of course, this comes after the ceasefire for a number of weeks now as the new demands have rolled in from Iran to reopen the streets of Hormuz and they are far from ideal. That's right. Iranians have now sent a 14-point proposal to in the war to President Trump. It has a 30-day deadline on it.

So they're giving the president and the American government the administration 30 days to respond to this and to make this happen.

“And it has no mention of the nuclear program, which is the key sticking point for the”

United States. That is one of the reasons that this entire conflict began was over the nuclear program. So this main point that they make in this is that both sides will lift the blockade on the straight of Hormuz, the United States will withdraw its forces from the Middle East, end all hostilities in the region, including Israel and Lebanon, which is currently in

a ceasefire as well.

And all sanctions on Iran will be lifted.

The Iranians now seem to think they have the upper hand, this may be because they're starting to see Democrats in Congress say, "Hey, war powers act Europe on this 60-day deadline, which is creating a little bit of a pushback from the administration." Yes. Well, we'll get into that in just a little bit because the President and the administration

has sort of doubled down on what could be the resume of this war or is this a new conflict? We'll debate that coming up in the next segment. As we, you know, you think there's probably going to go both ways here. You can have that conversation either way. Certainly, President Trump has decided which way he's going to go again, Iran's 14-point

plan, really just saying, "Give us everything we want in the war." We'll reopen, but also, you're not going to get anything in return.

“Exactly, especially with the sanctions, part is well saying, "Hey, no, you have to lift”

all sanctions on us. The majority of those sanctions are because of their nuclear program. Now there's others for human rights, for supporting terrorist organizations, etc. But a vast majority are due to their nuclear adventureism." And I want to clarify, and this also had no mention really of any sort of new program or

your rainy, or any of the things that are happening. They said, actually, the opposite. There's foreign ministry spokesperson said, "That will not be a part of any deal to end this conflict." So, clearly they're thinking they have some momentum here or whatever that may mean.

Maybe because of the political wins, maybe they're reading some of the polls out, but so what comes next? There we go. What comes next? Where is the move?

The Trump administration? What is the move fair Iran?

“If Iran is not in the business of essentially surrendering, does this war kick back off?”

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President Trump has been given a list of demands, and maybe if you think that's the best

way to describe it from Iran, that is to reopen the street for moves completely. And what it would look like moving forward is there is a lot of global pressure to get that done. The same moment we are in the middle of a ceasefire, it's probably, it's easy to forget that. That that has happened and we've been in a ceasefire for a number of weeks now.

What does that look like moving forward in a fairly present Trump is at least laying out, I want you to say the breadcrumbs, he's laying out the plan that essentially says, you know, we're about to go back in action. Well, and there's reports that he's frustrated at the inaction on both sides, either get back to the operations or get to the table.

Clearly, the Iranians have taken some sort of step back with this latest proposal, also giving a 30-day deadline, now starting to dictate the timeline to the US.

“It does seem that maybe that has step back, but I think it could also show us that when”

the president decided to remove the United States from talks just a few days ago, really,

a little bit over a week, that when he said we don't really even know who we are negotiating with, that clearly is a signal that things like this were going to start happening. Now, on the other side of that, the US started an operation, helping ships traverse the state of Hormuz, especially some American flagged vessels that have shipping containers that are going through that state of Hormuz, then Iran had struck with a drone attack targeting

both a UAE tanker, South Korean government is saying, they are investigating what appears to be an attack from the Iranians, so Iran is attacking vessels in the state of Hormuz. The United States is saying, through Scott Bessent, that we actually control this, now there will be some time to let this unfurl and put this back in a perspective. Now, I think what you're going to see is what he's referencing is maybe hostilities getting

back up to speed, especially with what we're seeing from this type of demand and timeline. Now back here at home, you have Democrats saying, "Listen, war powers act. You hit 60 days." Yeah, let's back up. So people don't know, with the War Powers Act, President Trump and the administration

really had the ability to go and do this without any sort of confirmation, any sort of vote, any sort of authority given they had the authority to do it temporarily.

“It's a 60 day essentially window where if you need to go get something done, you can”

go get it done and handle it and get out. Now, 60 days is almost up. President Trump's got a bit of a caveat to that, and I don't think he's ill-willed or ill-intentioned. I think it's actually probably somewhat accurate, but I made a pen on how you read the act itself, how you wanted to describe it.

But 60 days are up from the first day of the engagement, but it's been a number of weeks

since there has been. So that one ended. Well, exactly. So the 60 days, and then you have an additional 30 days, 90 days total, where you can wind down hostilities, the Democrats that are detractors of this operation in Iran, or saying

"Listen, you hit 60 days, we better see this wrapping up now." Now, the administration has the opposite take. They're saying, "No, that operation, the operation Epic Fury, for all intents and purposes, ended when we started ACS5." And didn't they give this one a new name?

Well, exactly.

“This is the specifically the shipping route one, I believe, is Operation.”

It's got a fun one. Freedom of something. Yeah. We'll pull it up. But when you start to look at this, you're talking about, "Did someone find it for us?"

Did that happen? Did when a ceasefire happened? Even if you don't withdraw everyone, the United States, it seems, did not conduct operations. We did see Iran violating that, shooting drones at Gulf States. It is real?

Project Freedom. Project Freedom is specifically focused on the straight of Hormuz. So, once again, who's right? Now, with a Republican majority, I don't think it matters that much, because who is going to be the ones that would hold an administration accountable?

You see all these resolutions they keep trying to pass. They keep failing. If, for some reason, you start to get poll numbers for people that are nervous in the midterms, you could see people start to peel off and get a resolution past that is saying the president has gone too far.

We need to wrap this up. Yeah. And it's certainly not as popular as it once was to have this kind of ongoing conflict. Again, a lot of people thought, when day one, you had a sense of the destruction of the top leaders in Iran that this could go very quickly.

Now, in general, it really still is only gone, you know, a couple months here. We're not talking about a very long-term engagement. But there is. Hasn't it see heading into midterms as we've seen sort of the polls started to really show

So who knows? You may have some Republicans that also decide this is not worth it. The juice is not worth the squeeze. We're not going to. Maybe we'll hold the president's foot to the fire at this point.

What do you think? 1-800-6-8-4-31-10. We got a phone call coming in. Let's go to Dale in California, Dale, you're on the air.

Let's give Dale a second here, Dale.

You're there? Ah, put Dale on hold. Let's see if we can get back to him. He's just listening on the radio. The old school way.

Well, I hear that. Speaking of old school way, you've got a villain on your shirt today. Oh, yeah. I've got to play that out. It's made the fourth.

And you know what? I have a few star wars shirts. This is a very 90's looking one of Darth Vader's sons. You know, he's a bad guy. Right.

Maybe in your version of the story. I think that's everyone's version. I don't know. I don't know.

Tell me the reprolance or liberalism.

Is that what you're saying? Is a strong leader. Yeah, like the end of the day, he is the hero of the story. Well, he does. Yes, there is redemption.

Yeah. People always say that. They're like, you know, he's the hero. Yeah. He is a damnie.

Tony soprano loved his son, too. Like, you know, after a lot of genocide. Yeah. He was blowing up whole planets. Whole planets.

And then he was like, you know what I don't want you to do is do something to my son. And I kind of can get, you know, get that. But it is Star Wars Day. I'm excited.

We have my kids dressed up.

Everyone dressed up. It is fun to celebrate something. But remember President Trump, he talked about the leader himself. Right. Let's take a listen.

President Trump's flashback bite. Just a few months ago. It is October. Yeah. We have Darth Vader.

You know Darth Vader, right?

“Darth Vader is a man who, I think he's sitting right, is that Darth, stand up, please, Darth”

there. I mean, they call him Darth Vader, but he's actually a very nice person, Russell vote. Oh, see, I wish we didn't reveal. I like the idea of just, I love he says Darth Vader stand up. That is the most impressive Trump thing.

Who was he talking about? It's the head of the Russell vote. He's the director of the Office of Management and Budget. That's right. But for the administration.

So, stand up. Darth Vader's here. Darth Vader. We're having a little fun here. Phone lights are open at 1-800-6-8-4-31-10.

We got Dale Beck. You can go. Dale, California, go ahead. So, I wanted to ask why we're having a ceasefire when there's thinkers of Iranian oil going along the coastline of Iran and Pakistan, and they're dumping their oil into a fiery, either

in India or Pakistan, which allows him to get money, which will allow them to build more things. So, during a ceasefire, they have money to build more things, they would have money to build a ballistic missile. And I find it hard to believe that they were so dumb that they didn't isolate refined

Iranian, so they could have a nuclear bomb someplace really secretive that no one knows about. So, I'm just concerned about that, and you've got your guard down a little bit, and things really happen bad. So.

“Well, Dale, I think to that point, according to the administration, that is not”

happening, that the Iranianships are not getting through, they're not going through the coastline, they're not getting to secret places to offload their oil, as a matter of fact, that some of the reporting is that they're actually about to be in a bit of a bind, because their refineries are about to hit capacity of all the storage that they can have, and they're then they're going to have to stop production, which causes a whole

host of issues when they want to restart that production. So, there has been a lot of propaganda out there. One, you saw even, I think it was Senator Murphy that said something to the effect of like an awesome, when that report that 26 ships had gotten through, and people called him out for that, and he's like, "Whoa, that can't be sarcastic anymore."

It's like, "No," but also, that story wasn't even true. It came out later that it was just a rainy and propaganda, and I think that goes back to a lot of what we've talked about here. This entire conflict is how well the propaganda machine from Iran has permeated the entirety of American society.

Yeah, I mean, I think we're living in a very different time, everyone, and we're looking at comments on social media, Instagram, TikTok, everywhere that we are, you know, where the people are chatting, and it is very interesting to see. Now, somewhat, of course you can say, "That's bots, that's not real. I can see the ones that are real, though.

You can feel the ones that are real. You can feel how society is reacting and look. I think there is a reason to question something like a military conflict of this scale, understand that I have no problem with debating whether or not we need to be out war with Iran.

“I believe that originally when we were positioned this, we've talked about regime change”

and all of that. That's where I was more leaning, and then it became a little muddy, or it's time went on. However, that's not really what's happening. You are having, as Will said, Iranian-backed propaganda seepets way in to the mainstream media.

I was even watching CNN on the way in.

“I flipped through all the channels and CNN was saying how the conspiracy theories have”

taken over the right and the left, and how they are even sitting there going, "We don't know what to do." And this was coming from CNN, and I kind of want to go, "Well, you're a part of the problem." But what it is, what it is, phone lines are opening at 1-800-684-3110, 1-800-684-3110, and in Gene's stay-on-hold, we'll get to Rick Reynolds, joining us in the next segment,

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Let's hear that. Let's hear that. This is, again, this is Barack Obama.

“Just last night on Stephen Colbert against Stephen Colbert show wrapping up, by the way, any day now.”

I think it's the end of the month. But he's having some big guests on. One of them for President Obama. Take a listen. We're going to have to do some work to return to this basic norm.

And we probably now have to codify it. The White House shouldn't be able to direct the attorney general to go around prosecuting. [applause] It's like he's talking to a ton of executive brands. Take that.

The norm is that it's independent. The norm. The idea is that the attorney general is that people's lawyer. It's not the president's comes sickleary. Right.

Even when it's Bobby Kennedy. That's Bobby Kennedy. And so two of the core principles of a democracy. We can survive a lot. Bad policy, funky elections.

There's a bunch of stuff that we can overcome. We can't overcome the politicization of the criminal justice system. The awesome power of the state. You can't have a situation in which whoever's in charge of the government starts and using that to go after their political enemies.

[laughter]

“On how just under the Biden administration's four years.”

Not as effective as the Obama administration's eight, but under just their four years. How do they criminalize? They politicize the justice system to go after their political enemies. It happened to be pro-lifeers and religious people and people of faith cases that we're still taking all the way to the US Supreme Court as we speak. And so again, when you had Eric Holder as the attorney general, this was a guy who, again, you couldn't do it.

It's not much closer than Bobby Kennedy being. I do hate to say it. At least, Colbert brought that up. Sorry, you know, it's the people's, usually forget. John of Kennedy put his brother.

But it's not, the people's attorney, but it's still the executive branch, which is run by the president. The president chooses the attorney general. And again, the way they characterize this, you shouldn't be able to just, you know, criminally investigate whoever you want just because the president wants to. That's, that's not right. But the president can certainly have input because the people elected the president.

They didn't elect the attorney general.

So if the president thinks there was wrongdoing in any way, he could certainly recommend that the attorney general have the,

“one of their massive investigations team, at least take a look and I don't think that's an abuse of the system.”

And by the way, when you have statements like this coming out of Eric Holder, remind people way back of this 13 years ago. Yeah. He had no problem making a statement like this. Yeah, he said, I'm still the president's, we can do it. Sound all the time.

Do we have that by the bite? I don't know if it's a bite. We do, okay, we have a bite. Okay, yeah, let me know when we have that. But again, saying those, your famous words.

And that's, so to reframe it as if historically these roles have not been what president Trump, or like the president Trump has remade these roles is kind of factually inaccurate. Yeah. You know, it's just President Trump talks about it more openly. So like where's Barack Obama's not going to be the one.

We always said this during the IRS investigation of the Tea Party groups.

We always said, Barack Obama's not going to go up there and say, I ordered this. Are you never going to get an email saying from Barack Obama, and get email from other officials saying, let's do this for him.

“Let's do this so we can get jobs inside the administration.”

We saw that from lowest alert. We can get politically appointed jobs. We get better positions. We'll work with the FBI. Work with the DOJ because they will like that we are doing this.

But you're never going to get, you know, him on the record saying, go and do this. The difference is President Trump hides nothing behind closed doors. So he literally tells the American people exactly what he's thinking of doing. And so instead of hiding it, it doesn't come to a stretch of it. May be because the way because the truth is, as we proved to that 600 page report on the Biden administration,

they politicized the DOJ. We know the Obama Department of DOJ was heavily politicized. And again, they kind of, and they were kind of the start of that coming back.

Where we had a gap period where, honestly, yes, there's always been the impeachment.

This talked that talk, but where again, certainly you would have DOJs with different priorities. Based off who was in charge, then you could agree with and disagree with. But they really hypercharge the politics behind their DOJ. And the fact that he wasn't just saying it in press conference makes no difference. Yeah.

And it doesn't mean it's necessarily illegal. You can disagree with it, say it's wrong. But you see how they're trying to codify what they mean there. And they say that word, that's a very specific word. They want Congress to pass a law that the president signs to restrict presidential power when it comes to the Department of Justice.

What president would not veto that?

“And by the way, what Congress just broke up on, honestly, seeing the future is going to agree to do that?”

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1-800-6-8-4-3-1-1-0. It's going to be a really interesting back half of the show. We're going to move a little bit more to the conversation back to Iran. And the next segment, because we have three calls lined up. All are about that. We'll try to take as many as we can. A couple of them are ACLJ champions. ACLJ champions are people that give on a monthly reoccurring basis.

So I really appreciate ACLJ champions, and they get bumped to the front. So there's two. So they'll go first. Liz, you'll be up first and we'll move to Mike. And then Tony, you'll be after that.

So stay on hold if you're on hold. We will do our best to get to as many of you as possible in the next segment. Then after that. We're going to talk about ACLJ Jerusalem. As the head of ACLJ Jerusalem, Jeff Alabama, it will be joining us live from Israel.

And then we're going to discuss the impact and the legacy of Ted Turner, who just passed away. Of course, a lot of you may have disagreed with a lot of his political statements. But there is no doubt that a lot of what we get to do here today. And a lot of really 24 hour news are any of this kind of none of that existed before Ted Turner really changed the game. So we've joined by Eric Bischoff, former Turner executive, head of WCW.

Was executive of the WWE Hall of Fame. Our SVW Hall of Famer. And now is the head of American Freestyle on Fox Nation. We're going to talk all about that in this having half hour join us at ACLJ.org. We'll be right back.

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“Eric has been a long time friend, but before that he was an executive at Turner with Ted Turner.”

So we're going to talk about that. And of course, the passing of Ted Turner, what that means because the impact of his legacy will be 24 hour cable news. I mean, that will be something that no one will ever escape. Then the endless news cycle and how that evolves.

And you can probably start with an origin story that leads with Ted Turner. There are a bunch of calls right now. So many of you are calling in most about Iran. And the situation that is unfolded with what looks to be once again, possibly in the end of the road for the war in Iran.

According to Marco Rubio president Trump, what does that really mean? We've been discussing that. Let's go ahead and take some phone calls.

ACLJ champions are on hold.

They get to go first. So Liz is calling line one in Florida. Thanks, Liz, you're on the air. Here it is. Hi.

I don't think we can use gas prices to determine when the conflict is over. Because I don't trust the gas companies. It's just because the war is over. Well, I mean, what, so in your mind. What is the kind of point where the wars over where you feel like the US has gotten

done what it needs to get done? Is it, is it the nuclear enrichment out of Iran? Is it it? Because right now on the list is not a political leadership change.

“So for you, Liz, what would be getting the finishing the job be?”

I think when we start filling our carrier groups back out, then we can say it's over. Yeah, I mean, I think that's been building up for over a year. So I think that's looking at a very long-term strategy. And I think that's almost like saying, kind of resetting to pre last summer, where we launched the attacks into,

and they were very strategic. Strategic. But you know, then we have been over time since those days. So we have been able to do that. So we've been able to do that.

So we've been able to do that. So we've been able to do that. So we've been able to do that. So we've been able to do that. And over time since those attacks, been building up and building up and getting those ships in place.

So that's a longer-term move. I do think gas companies do not want gas prices so high that you don't drive. Or, and you, and of course, decide not to fly. Yeah. So they have an interest in getting it down to a level where the consumer feels comfortable enough.

If you're spending a little more, but when you're talking about double in some places, that's when it's hurting them too. I want to quickly get to Mike who's also an ACLJ champion. We'll do our best to get some of those later on. May not be able to stay on hold though.

Mike, line three, you're on the air. Yeah. I'm very disappointed that we're not finishing the job. We haven't involved an enemy. That wants to destroy Israel, wants to destroy us.

And, you know, it's a fastest growing Christian company. Country in the world is a ran. Yeah. And I think there is frustration for a lot of us who thought regime change meant freedom for the people.

People to have successful regime change take the U.S. has learned this. We can't force that on you. So we can, we can make it easier. We can take out leadership. We can take out their weapons of war.

But you still have to put your life on the line.

“If you want to change governments in most countries in the world.”

Like, it's not going to be a bloodless for the most part. That's pretty rare. It doesn't happen in our history. And then you kind of have to fight over it again a few times. So that takes the people.

We can put the pieces in place. And then the people have got to make the decision to make that move. Right now, that doesn't seem to be on the table. I think, listen, in Iran without nuclear enrichment capability is a very different threat than in Iran with that is trying to get a deliverable nuclear weapon that could hit at least Europe and eventually the United States.

When you're talking about Iran, of course, who else is leaving this charge has been Israel. And we have our offices in Israel, the ACLJ Jerusalem. And we get back, we're going to be joined by Jeff Balban Live from Jerusalem.

First time back in Jerusalem in a little bit of time.

So we're going to get some on the ground coverage of what it's like, how it's going there. And of course, it directly involves the safety and security of Israel and their whole economy as well to have this war happen. So we're going to discuss that. And then later on, we joined by Eric Bischoff.

So you don't want to miss that. If you are on hold, we'll do our best to get your calls. No guarantees. We'll try our best, though. And we'll be right back on secular.

Welcome back to secular. Again, we may take some calls and comments, but we've got a packed second half of this show. We're now going to be jumping over to ACLJ Jerusalem and Jeff Balban. And Jeff, you've returned, you back in Jerusalem. Let's discuss that.

Of course, we discussed the first half of this show. A lot about what's happening in the war in Iran.

But let's just start there.

“Let's just start with kind of getting us the way of the land.”

How is the tone? How are things going? Sure. So just to paint a little color, see what it's like here. On the way at the airport in New York and then on flight, including in the air before we landed, there were all kinds of rumors because now that you have internet and flights,

you can pay attention to what's going on. That the airport in television was going to be closed down because of dangerous potential ratcheting up again from Iran. So even in the last couple of hours, there was some concerns that the flights would be turned around and send someplace else.

And then the question is, where do you go? Because Iran strikes a lot of places in the region. So maybe you're, but you know, we landed it was fine. And in terms of the overall picture of what's happening, I'd say that the one interesting discussion that I've had since I've been here about what's happening now, this breather, this whole stuff, whatever it is, is that, you know, there's tremendous,

Israel has tremendous intelligence on the people in Iran and has tremendous Iran and has from many years because they are approximately existential threat. And so the targeting of the leadership has been such that the ones who are left behind are the ones that Israel at least hopes. I mean, obviously the greater hope would have been for there to be a regime change.

But in the meantime, at least hopes that these are not as Mark Ruby would say is the same in the brain, perhaps. And that you can't have some dealings with them, at least in the short term, to figure out some kind of a way forward. You just believe that it's a long term strategy, but at least for now,

that's the hope that they left a cadre of people specifically that can be dealt with to try and work things out right now. Yeah, I mean, Jeff, we still don't exactly know who those individuals are. It hasn't been clear.

“I think the president's talked about that.”

You know, it's not going to keep sitting over J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio and 19 hour flights to Pakistan to sit down with people who don't have the ability to agree to anything or even these interim deals. And I think, again, to get to this 14-point plan and kind of 30-day ceasefire, opening of the strait, lifting of some temporary relief or sanctions,

is this full removal of Iran's uranium stockpile? I mean, if you were going to look at the biggest possible potential victory out of this, if Iran feels like they have to agree to this. That is a big win for not just the United States but for Israel and the region, because it would imagine that even Iran's hardliners who may be still in charge

to it with the IRGC realize that they cannot withstand a continued US action. To me, that's the kind of sticking point I'm most interested in to seeing whether they agree on this. Look, you know, journey, it makes a very interesting point. It's also a reason. It's important to look back over the last couple of months.

What's a reason is an extraordinary in that for the first time,

and this is entirely thanks to Donald Trump's presidency in the first instance, that, you know, the UAE being attacked by, you know, a Muslim Arab country, being attacked by a Muslim Persian country, calls in Israel, and Israel sends over troops and technology and weapons to help them fight. This is extraordinary.

We're not just talking about peaceful trade. We're talking about actual real-time, more defenses among countries that until Donald Trump came around, wouldn't even talk to each other or they wouldn't talk to Israel. And now they're relying on Israel to help them.

“So the truth is, there is still tremendous room for hope here.”

Iran still is the sort of the destroyer of the region. And I personally believe that we do see need to see some kind of regime change for this to be safe, but nobody can make that happen. It has to be the Iranian people. All that can happen is that the allies are the Iranian people,

can set up the circumstances as well as possible, as far as getting, yeah, but we're doing everything else. These new allies. I mean, I think that's important. As you said, Jeff, it's one thing to do business with each other.

That was the Abraham Accords. It is another step to when you start working with each other in a military defense, a sharing technology, sharing iron dome technology. And because it kind of, it just unifies your countries that much more when you are standing side by side, fighting an enemy.

So one thing that's come out of this certainly is that you have a much stronger, allegiance of allies than it's not the US just having to cobble together, because we have the allegiances independently with those Gulf states, with Israel on its own now being able to work so directly, that Iran and it right surrounding Iran, certainly now,

you've got a region of allies who working together, and coming together, have the resources to really be a check on Iran. I mean, they may not individually be even close to the size of Iran, but when you put their economies and where their militaries are, technologically, certainly they can be a huge,

not just buffer anymore, but a real threat to Iran. Well, that's right. And people don't, and people are looking at the negatives that of course happen in any war, but the positives are just as we've described right now.

And there's a term that came into power in the first Trump administration,

And the idea that in the, you know, they called Pax America,

“said the post World War II generation where America was the World's Cup.”

Well, you know, there are other forces that are competing, and in the new world where we're not paying, we don't, we don't, America doesn't want to be the police for the whole world. The idea that there can be other countries that because of new technologies or able from a distance to really take control and keep things safe for more secure

for our American interests globally, that's happening. And Israel seems to be at the core of that. And this is one expression of that. One of the things Jeff also that keeps coming up, and if you're in sort of the zeitgeist on social media and seeing it is,

is also what's currently going on or not going on with the war in Gaza. And, you know, it's kind of become a afterthought for a lot of people, but then there's still a lot of conversation of what that actually looks like right now. Of course, in, you know, in terms of ceasefires, we know that that is somewhat still standing that that exists.

But we also know that that's not a conflict that is completely resolved by any means, but let's give a little bit of some color on that as well of how that feels. That's obviously even a little closer to home locally. Well, yeah, that's a great point.

“Logan, and it's not just Gaza, I mean, it's Lebanon and Syria, right?”

Syria is still waiting to be sorted out, right? That's a Northern border, Lebanon, Northern border. That is still waiting to be sorted out, and there's still troops. It's really troops there because, you know, they're finding massive tunnel systems, massive weapons problems.

You know, again, these, these, all these countries have been, for, for decades have been run by, or these territories, countries have been run by Iran through proxies. Well, one goal, the totally eradication of the state of Israel. Those wars are still going on, but thanks. And then this is sort of what Trump has been saying.

The, the really epic, the work that was done by Israel, first on its own, then together with America, really has set back their causes, but we're far from, from out of the woods. These are generational problems that have been building for just decades and decades, and it's going to take a long time for them to actually find some kind of state security. We have to now start discussing again, sort of getting Israel back on the good PR train,

because they have taken a lot of hits here in the United States. And seem to continue to, it feels like, look, and we can see worldwide. And how it has obviously spread to not just Israel or Israelis. You now have just the Jewish community in general. You see what happens in the golders green in the UK just a few days ago.

These attacks keep happening and somehow again, rationalize, normalized.

And you can discuss, I've always said, we can discuss,

or do you think that the actions of Israel have gone on too long, what it could be, the political side of Israel? That's totally different than the conversation of what's happening right now, which is now just feels like excuse violence just due to an ethnic connection. Yeah, let's not, I don't know if you saw what happened in New York.

These events happen all the time. People Jews in America, especially in religious Jewish communities, like to have retirement homes or a place to be in Israel, maybe for their kids or whatever for their lives. And so they real estate comes to shows in synagogues.

And people come or Jewish community centers. Anyway, there was a huge massively violent attack against one of those in New York. Now, you know, my amdani didn't help at all. By the way, before I left, I was speaking to a New York police officer who was complaining to me, you know, just terribly have un-supported, they feel in general by my amdani.

And so it became a free-for-all and it is pure anti-semitic hate and violence against the idea that a Jew shouldn't be allowed to buy a home in Jerusalem. Why shouldn't the Jew be allowed to buy home anywhere? Would we ever say that any other religion or race or ethnic group,

“you should, it should be illegal for you at all in a home someplace.”

We'll let alone a Jew in Jerusalem. And yet, it's every excuse to just attack Jews. And I don't know how we roll that back because as we keep on talking about here, it's not just one side anymore, it's really seeping up around the fringes all over. I saw my dommie statement.

Of course, he called it out and did say that it was an anti-semitic attack. There was no place for it. And I saw two different responses. And of course, one of them was not, of course, agreeing with him, condemning it. The answers were either, how dare he, now, a countdown to the, you know,

the anti-semitic crowd calling for anti-semitism, saying this anti-semitism, or the other one was saying, he didn't write this, this was AI-generated. And he, his apology was fake or his apology was offensive. You're not apology, but his response saying that it was even anti-semitic. So his own people, even when he knows is the mayor of New York,

he's going to come out and make some sort of statement. And that statement, maybe like you said, not far enough. It doesn't matter because the people on social media are going to say either, how dare you condemn Jewish hatred, or the other one is, you clearly didn't write this, this was AI.

You never really got a couple seconds here, Jeff.

Everyone gets you something wrong side of this. No one takes him, no one takes him seriously when he says he supports Jews. Absolutely, look, we got to, thanks Jeff for calling in. We appreciate it. It's always great to hear from Jeff and the ACLJ Jerusalem getting back going.

I'm sure next week to discuss even further what he's up to. Hey, we get back in the next segment. We are joined by Eric Bishoff, a former Turner executive, of course, time at the passing of Ted Turner and the impact that he had on, what all of us do, each and every day here in News Media, as well as

Real America Freestyle, Great News Show. There's available group Sports League that is on Fox Nation. We're going to discuss that. Coming up, stay tuned. It's going to be a great segment.

We'll be right back with more on Psychilo. Psychilo, this is a really interesting segment. Look, we all this saw this morning, the breaking news, is the passing of Ted Turner, a, you know, I mean, the President Trump just put out one of the greats of all time.

“And I think that that is something that we could all agree on.”

Is it least? You may not have agreed with everything. Ted Turner stood for politically, whatever may be. But there is a very good chance. We wouldn't be doing what we're doing today.

If it wasn't for some of his vision in the early days of CNN, of course, the early days of media in general, we're joined by Eric Bishoff. It was obviously a former Turner executive with WCW. Of course, later on, W Hall of Famer, and now chief media officer at Real America Free

Style, which is on Fox Nation RAF, which is just an absolute blast. We're going to get to that. But Eric, I wanted to start just with you just to check in. Of course, this is sad day for a lot of people in America, but really the impact.

And you had the, I guess the, the lock if you will or the, the ordination to be able to work directly with a very eccentric, interesting figure who really shaped the modern landscape of media. I mean, he really did when you think about it, the change that, that Turner brought to, to the media landscape.

And he did it in such a outrageous way. And of course, came across the name captain, outrageous as a result, but that many other things.

“But, you know, he saw things so far into the future,”

beyond what most visionaries and entrepreneurs would see. You know, the idea of a 24 hour global news platform at the time was absurd. And people thought he was out of his mind. You know, the superstations strategy.

It's just so many things. You know, when Ted Turner went out and bought the MGM Film Library, everybody, all the business experts in financial experts in the country, you know, thought he had lost his mind and was going to go, you know, bankrupt as a result.

And it turns out, Ted knew early on what others learned is it's one thing to be a great distribution of content. It's another thing to create on and distribute your content. Ted was really a leader in that regard. And just he was an entrepreneur's entrepreneur, man.

It's just so fascinating to even have a glimpse into what working with Ted Turner was like. Yeah, and hearing those stories from you, Eric,

is always so fascinating.

And it gave you a different light and there was a great documentary. They put out on him a few years ago. But Jordan and I grew up in Atlanta. And really he changed the city in the state. Eric brought up like the superstations.

So like TBS, the Atlanta Braves becoming America's team. I mean, which, again, was a strategic move to put the Atlanta Braves on, kind of like how you'd see the Chicago Cubs at WG. And kind of rival that. But the same time for me, someone who grew up and said,

you know, I want to go right into politics. You hadn't had to see it in. You know, you weren't necessarily going to be making it to the ten o'clock news at night every night or at just local news. Yeah.

Like, like, I finally had a place to go as a kid. I could like see what was going on in the world. And of course, one of those first things was the Gulf War. It was 24 hour coverage of the Gulf War in real time, not getting reports, twenty-four hours later.

But, you know, journalists who were on the ground.

And people always saying, yeah, what the next move.

I was just in a film festival last week for Turner Classic movies. Yeah. The father-in-law was a child actor in one of the movies that they play all of the time. Because Turner Classic movies now is owned by Warner Bros. It's--

Yeah. But it has-- Oh, you'll bought all those notes about that. But all of those catalogs though. And it still goes under that name.

I was just thinking about it as we were sitting here. There I am with the red carpet for the Chinese theater. And we are under the Turner name. And it's still a network.

“And it was its fans who had paid, I think, four to five thousand dollars”

to attend this three-day festival for movies that were being made from the 1950s. All up until-- You know, like, father, the bride, those kind of movies that run uninterrupted. Yeah. Still on network.

But also we're streaming. Yeah. So you've got-- I just think, again, buying those catalogs. Things that we now see happening all the time. It's visionary in all of that.

But news. Yeah. The news. Yeah. For all of us, none of us would exist in these realms

without CNN's first starting.

And really just, you know, going twenty-four hours, putting people all around the world, and making that investment, which was very expensive. And for Eric, like, for even what you do, and even the world of podcasts that we're going to get to RAF here

in just a second. I mean, you can find the sort of the nucleus there

and all of us getting used to hearing people talk as entertainment. Yeah. I'm with you guys.

You know, the first Gulf War was really--

it was so-- it was the first time you could immerse yourself on something that was so significant that had global implications, but you could--

“I mean, I think I must have watched CNN 20 hours a day”

when that was going down. I could not get myself away from it. And that's the first time that our culture was really ever exposed to that. And look where we are now, you know, news is such--

it's a commodity before it was a public service. Now, it is a commodity. And I think a lot of it has to do with Ted Turner. I wanted to give you enough time also, because one of the great things that you have come out with here

in the last year is you're right in the shirt. Real American freestyle RAF. We've been watching it at home. My son's a big-- makes martial arts fan.

Of course, we all grew up big-- professional wrestling fans. And this is sort of a combination of the reality of sports

with some of the pageantry of professional wrestling.

And it is a lot of fun. It's on Fox Nation. And it's a big event coming up, I know, at the end of May, but even people who maybe-- our audience maybe doesn't know about RAF.

We've got a couple of minutes here. I think we need to be pitching this. Yeah, I know. I mean, Real American freestyle. It was really a whole Cougan, Chad Bronstein.

Izzy Martinez came to me and said, hey, we've got this vision. We want to take freestyle wrestling at the Olympic level. You know, in the world class level. We want to create a professional leap.

Because it didn't exist. Nobody had been able to figure it out. And they tagged me in.

“Because I think they believe that I could bring the entertainment”

to the sport. Everybody knew what freestyle wrestling was. It comes around once every four years. I mean, Olympics. Yeah, okay, great.

Or the NCAAs. But we wanted to bring it into the mainstream and make it entertaining. We've been blessed. There's no other way to say it than that.

The amount of growth and success we've experienced. And literally eight months now of producing these events is beyond my comprehension. You are seeing huge, really. A couple minutes here.

Huge social media presence. You're seeing people talking about this more than I ever expected. Eric, it's really great to see. It's really great to see this again. It's on Fox Nation.

So if you're a Fox Nation member, you get to watch these shows. And it's going to be expanding. And there's an event coming up May 30th. And it's coming to Texas.

Like I said, these are these are names from the UFC. This is names from the Olympics. You're all right. Gamal Stephenson.

“You've got all these people that are coming on board.”

So if you're a UFC fan or MMA fan, you're going to find a home here. But also, if you're one of those families, maybe you're like, this is maybe, you know, UFC's not quite accessible from me and my family

to sit down and watch yet. What I like about RAF is that it's still incredibly entertaining. Of course, it's all there. But it's not quite to that level of like,

I should say hardcore violence. It comes from an in language and things. We like to refer to ourselves as family-friendly combat sports. And I know that sounds a little bit,

you know, like it doesn't really fit. Well, together, but it does. Because if you look at MMA, the greatest athletes in MMA right now, as much as a matter of fact,

just sign with real American freestyle, and it's going to be big weekend coming up with a striclet. So if you look at the very best MMA fighters, they all have wrestling backgrounds.

That's their foundation. So we've got that kind of sweet spot between, you know, MMA and the very foundation of MMA freestyle wrestling. And we just believe that we could make it entertaining,

and we have, and it's that saying, man, if you build up their common, they're coming in droves. And it's such a great opportunity.

It's, it's really amazing.

It's a blast and look, Eric's been a long time friend. So you know, when you're watching RAF, also, you are enjoying a great people that are behind this.

So I couldn't be more excited to support you guys who are doing here. And again, thank you for coming on. I know that it's somewhat of a heavy day for all of us and for you specifically.

But again, we are happy to have that discussion with you today. And again, if you ever need to come, and look, we're going to come out to an RAF event. I'm making it out there.

We're going to make the trip. And hopefully you make one in Nashville. We'll be there, a matchside, I guess, if you will. But thank you so much, Eric,

for joining us today. I really appreciate it. And with that, that's going to do it for today's show. We're talking all around the world.

I hope you enjoyed it. See you tomorrow.