380: Teen Girls Caught Planning Murder, ANOTHER Dirty Duggar & Influencer Buried Alive?

Hello, hello, hello, welcome back to an all new episode of Serialis League. With me, you're host Annie Elise. I hope you are having a great week so far. It's Thursday. That means the week is luckily almost over and then we are getting into the weekend. But a lot has been going down this week. Not only this week, but I feel like at the tail end of last week, a lot of stuff was going on too. So we've got a lot to talk about today. Now as a reminder, if you are brand new

listening to the podcast for the very first time, then let me break it down for you.

Mondays we do a deep dive. We pick one single or can't talk single or case. And we do a full deep dive into it. Talk about all the facts, the theories, the allegations, everything we can find. And then on Thursdays today, we do headline highlights where we talk about everything happening this week in true crime. And just as a little podcast snack, you're going to want to tune in to the end of this episode because I have a little announcement coming at the end. So listen for that. But like I said, we have a lot to talk

“about today. A lot of cases that you've been DMing me about, that you are saying, have you seen this footage?”

Have you seen what's going on? What the hell's going on with the dugers? Lots of things to discuss. So I want to kick this off by surprise guests in the studio. Shocker. It's funny. I'm here. Amy Colette. Hello. Hello. Hello. Because nobody was expecting it. It's unbelievable. No. It's a surprise. It's rocking their world right now. And yeah, like channeling your style today. I know we're wearing the

exact same brand T-shirt, a name being, which I swear the first time I ever wore shirt. Like this,

somebody asked me if it was like my own name. I'm okay. I wouldn't just walk around with my shirt, but it looks like it because it's A and I and E, which kind of looks like Annie. But it's not normally a graphic T. I love it. I love it. It's comfy. I love it. Why do you think I live in graphic? I know. They are the comfyest. So I'm here for it. All right. We have a lot to go over today. One of the cases is a follow-up to one you've talked about. Well, it's been a crazy week. And then obviously

you did those like breaking cases last week. Because we had so much going on with the Taylor Frankie. That kind of rhymes. The Taylor Frankie Paula bit all. Yeah, which obviously this isn't a pop culture podcast. But there was a lot of news going on last week with Taylor Frankie Paula,

“secret lives of Mormon wives. There's been so much more to over the weekend, which don't”

where I'm not going to get into that. Because this is not a pop culture podcast. But I did ask you on that episode that was like in emergency episode drop that released also on Thursday last week. If you guys want more pop culture stuff to let me know a lot of you do. So we will talk about that at some point in the future. But yeah, that was wild. I mean, it's reminded me of scanned of all days where it's like the pop culture becomes the national headlines across every news platform that

you had to talk about. I know. I know. And then this weekend did some recording in the studio for a special project, which we'll talk about at the end of this episode. And it's just been it's been a busy week. It's been busy. It's been very busy. Anything coming up? Mm. Crimecon. Crimecon. Crimecon. And what? Annie Lee Smirch. Annie Lee Smirch is coming. Come in. Come in. It's a

“common. Okay. Wow. You've been hanging out with the outdoor. No, that was Mario. No, honestly,”

because we do family Mario Kart every night, which by the way, I am so competitive. But Emmie's getting really good. And it's yeah, it's Mario. But they have a whole bunch of new slew of characters to like, "Monti, mole," and like, these weirdo things. But I like have to admit how competitive I got

with Theo when I was playing with him. I've never played Mario Kart in my life. So I picked up the

controller feeling like sure I'll participate. I'll play. How could I say no to you? I'll probably lose no big deal. And then when I was in second, next to Theo, I felt that rush of adrenaline come over me. But then I'm like, "Sixing, do I beat my assos? Do I let him win?" But then now we went, we went for it. And it was a good game. It's a fun. It's a wholesome family. It really hit every single nice. But they don't get to play unless they're doing good listenings. So, oh. And we'll see how

I'm a desert ballet this week. Okay, sorry guys. Here we go. So, I want to start with this first case. Well, actually, pause really quick. If you're watching this on YouTube, take a quick second,

make sure you're following along. And if you're listening on Apple, hit drop me a little five star,

“a little five star reviewer. Okay, so let's start with this first case because this footage is,”

I feel like everywhere, unless it's just in my algorithm. But it is really unnerving. And kind of gives like slender man vibes, also Skylar niece vibes. And we just want to talk about it because two teen girls were arrested for attempted murder of their classmates. And this case is coming out of Seminal County, Florida. So, like I said, it's involving two teenage girls who are now both facing some pretty serious charges after planning an attack on a fellow classmate. But it's

not even just that, which in and of itself is obviously beyond disturbing. But it's one of those cases where it gets way worse the deeper you get. So things all started back on January 22nd, when an anonymous tip had been submitted through something called the fortify Florida system.

Now, if you're like me and totally unfamiliar with what that system is, it's basically a statewide

safety app in Florida that allows students, parents, or anyone for that matter to anonymously report threats or suspicious behavior that is related to schools. Then those tips go directly to law enforcement for investigation. So, a pretty great system. I don't know if they have those in every state or county. I feel like they absolutely should, but I understand sometimes you don't the resource resources to man that, but in any event. According to the reports, the tip said

that a student was planning to kill another student at Lake Brantley High School. Now, the police fortunately took this seriously immediately. And pretty quickly, they identified that one of the students that had been referred to in this tip was 15-year-old Isabelle Valdez. They also identified another student who was believed to be involved, and that was Isabelle's best friend, 14-year-old Lois Lippert. So, the next morning on January 23rd, both Isabelle and Lois were pulled out

of class and they were questioned. And when the investigators then searched Isabelle's backpack, they found a lot of unsettling things. They found a knife, a handwritten note to her mom, some ultra-disturbing drawings of Isabelle and the boy classmate that they were planning on targeting and killing. And then what they describe is, quote, "other concerning items." Now, these drawings, and it's almost like those kind of like cartoonish-looking drawings of like violence,

and we've talked about them in so many other cases. I know I always reference the aid in food

cheesecake, but it's the first one that comes to mind where he had all of those disturbing drawings and his journal too. And this is kind of where it makes it feel a little bit like the slender man piece of it, whether drawing this fictitious character, although Isabelle wasn't drawing a fictitious character, she was drawing herself and the boy that they were planning on attacking, and it's just very haunting, okay? So, the investigators say that between the evidence that they found and also

what was gathered during the interviews with the girls, that they were able to piece together

“the plan that the two of them had. And remember, these girls were just 14 and 15 years old.”

So, according to investigators, Isabelle and Lois had allegedly planned to lure this specific male classmate into one of the bathrooms and the bathroom stalls in the school property, on the school yard, whatever you call it. Now, the idea was to get him into a stall and then either slit his throat or stab him in the stomach. She then planned to quote, "leave flowers for his funeral at the scene, then smoke a cigarette and leave." As if it's so casual, you lure this guy into a stall

of the bathroom, you either slit his throat and stab him in the stomach, you sprinkle some flowers around, you smoke a cigarette and then you leave. Like, it's a ritual, which don't worry I'm

going to get into more of that here in a second, because it doesn't stop there. What prosecutors

now are saying the motive is behind this entire plan is now what has pushed this case to an entirely different level. And this, too, is where it starts to bring in more of those like that undertone of Slender Man. If you're familiar with that case, which if you're not, let me give you like the three sentence cliff note version. Slender Man is a fictitious character

“and he's like this really tall skinny guy. He like lives in the woods. And I don't remember if he,”

like, lures children in or what he does. But these two girls basically believed that he was real and that in order to be invited to his castle or his home, they had to make a sacrifice and kill another person. So they both turned against their other third friend and stabbed her several times trying to make this sacrifice for Slender Man. Fortunately, this little girl paid and survived, but it was a very interesting complex and unsettling case. Side note two, Morgan Guyser,

one of the girls who did commit this, then was released, which was a freaking disaster in my opinion.

is back in custody now, but you can search those episodes in the archive. So anyway, this is why I'm

“saying that it gives Slender Man. Because according to the documents, the girls allegedly wanted”

to use this victim's blood in some kind of ritual. This was all tied to an obsession with the Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza. Now, you may not have heard that word for a while, right? Sandy Hook, the horrific mass shooting that took place in Connecticut. Well, apparently Isabelle, she had an obsession with Adam. And she believed that if she killed her classmate, she would have a blood bond with him and that somehow it would bring him back from the dead.

Which, first of all, I don't know how that works. I don't know what these kids are watching or listening to, where they believe in all of this weird fantasy type stuff that's like actually dark fantasy, but now that I think of it, Amy, when was Sandy Hook? Because how would a 15-year-old girl know enough about Sandy? Was that over 10 years ago? It was 2012 or 2013. So she would have just been born. She would have been in diapers. So how would a 15-year-old girl even know enough about Sandy Hook

unless she's so disturbed that she's researched it? Yeah, and like becomes fixated on this guy. But like that's, like a slender man at least is like this dark fantasy thing that I don't want to say

is kind of like, you know, always out there. But it's like a story, like a little red riding

hood, for example, not that. That's a bad example. But you know what I mean? It's like, oh, to story that doesn't matter what age you'll learn about it or hear about it possibly at some point.

“I guess you would learn about Sandy Hook in history books now. Just like 9/11. That's how old we”

are. They weren't in our history. Well, I think just school shootings in general have been combined. Like more of a commonality, unfortunately. And so people, it is. I mean, that I was just thinking when we were in high school. I mean, nothing like this. Obviously, this isn't normal or common place regardless. But this wasn't even a discussion in school of these crimes. Let alone, no hearing about people planning them. It was just not on our radar. We're now true crime is

much more common. Yeah. It's here about more or discussing at a younger age. But even school, shootings, and I don't want to get off top at too much here. But even school shootings for that matter,

when we were growing up, calling buying was it? Yeah. And that's when I was in high school. I never

was exposed to that at a young age. No. And it's not that we just have like blinders on. It just really wasn't happening. You know? So my point is like, it's this drawback to history before while she was like a toddler or even before she was born and she became fixated on him and thought that by sacrificing her classmate, she would not only bring him back from the dead, but share a blood bond with him, which that's where I get super concerned and, you know, disturbed with so many

teens that we're hearing believe in things like that towards like, what are they consuming? Obviously, social media is horrible at such a young age. But I'm like, the video games and all of that, but where they actually believe that this is really, it's like, cult like, yeah, it's very scary. And I always say this term and I always butcher up, but you guys tell me in the comments,

“"Followed you, followed you, never heard that." You have it? No. I think we've said it before”

and you also had said, "You've never heard it." It's basically when like two people meet and they're

so diabolical, like, "Oh, does that work?" And then they do, it's like the Joker and what's your face? I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. Okay, forget it. But anyway, it's like this phenomenon where it's also kind of like, how do these two people connect? Because you could argue both of them perhaps have mental health issues. But it's also like, "How do you become best friends?" And then you both think that way and you both truly believe that you can bring

someone back from the dead if you do this. It's just like, I think we were talking about that kind of connection with the people who are in charge of twin flames. Yes, yes. Where it's like, how do you both have such shared delusional thinking? Yeah. So anyway, that all went down and obviously is super unsettling that they believed this is what would happen. And thankfully, because of that anonymous tip that had come in, none of this actually came to fruition. The plan was stopped before anybody was physically

harmed, which is obviously the best possible outcome in a situation like this. However, what's actually really out there and fueling a public reaction is what happened after their arrest. Because both of these girls were placed in the back of a patrol car and they didn't or realize they were being recorded. Very much like Aiden Fuji. Actually, he didn't know he was being recorded, but he also recorded himself on Snapchat, see a little fucking weasel. But in this

footage of these two girls, they're laughing, they're joking. At one point, Lois even says, "This is such a bonding experience. I love this." And then Isabel says, "She doesn't even feel guilty." They were also talking about the potential prison time that they may have to serve, joking about their mug shots, and just acting completely unfazed by what they were being accused of,

the podcast, listen to it, and then if you want to watch the video, warning, it's unsettling,

“you can go check it out on my YouTube. But take a listen. Yeah, for iskuous. We're going to”

beat up one of those lesbian couples left in jail. Yeah, and you can be the fuck, yes, hey, hey, this is by me. Stay away. We tried to look at for your mug shot. Oh, my god, I'm going to get a mug shot. What were going to jail when you leave? Oh, yeah, I was going to do my makeup this morning for the mug shot, but I couldn't find anything. I'm glad I don't actually look too bad today. I look horrible. It's over. And don't worry, you don't need to, I'm sorry, you're the fuck. It doesn't matter if you look

bored. Yeah, it's probably going to be like you gotta be totally. You can't, you can't, you can't see it. I wrote him a loop, and I was like, yeah, I'm not guilty for my actions, but I was like, I don't feel guilty for my actions, but if you're guilty, I'm not guilty. So obviously, that was very disturbing. Prosecutors have since pointed to the behavior as a major reason that they believe that the girls pose a serious danger to the public, which, hello, obviously,

there's no remorse. They think it's funny. They don't know the severity of it. They're not realizing the severity of it. So because of all of this, both of the teens have been charged as adults.

Isabel has been charged with attempted first-degree murder and also possession of a weapon on

school property. Lois has also been charged as an accessory to the crime, and both girls were

“denied bond at their hearing. Now, I think what makes this case not only hit so hard, but also”

why it's pretty polarizing out there right now is because of the combination of everything, right? I mean, you have their ages, 14 and 15 years old, the level of planning, drawing things, building up to it, knowing everything you were going to do all the way down to sprinkling the flowers and smoking a cigarette, the alleged motive of this blood bond and bringing somebody back from the dead, and not just somebody, but a school shooter, regardless of what your beliefs are on Sandy Hook.

I know a lot of people think there's conspiracy there, but then just the complete lack of remorse that was caught on video in the back of this cop car, too. It's just deeply unsettling. And I want to, just like throw this out there, imagine being the boy that they planned on targeting and the fear that he must be living with right now, like, what a scary realization, which we don't know his age, but I would imagine like, similar age, right? Imagine finding out if they, when they notified

him, like, what the plan was, which I don't know that there would need to be a reason I guess to notify him to scare him if they were able to foil the plan, but I would imagine he's still with learn about it at some point, but yeah, at that age, 14 or 15, and you like learn, oh, you are almost killed today at school, by these girls like that or his parents? Yeah, oh, I would like

you're never going back to school. No, it is terrifying, and they're also, I want to say this, so

this case has really fascinated me. So I've been following like crazy, fighting the courts right now to get footage, get information. There are a lot of weird notes that were left behind, more body cam that is ultra unsettling, I'll leave it at that. So as we've gathered a lot of this information and a lot of the media involved in this, I'm going to tell you right now, a deep dive is coming. However, I do want to just say this, and I'm sorry for all of my podcast listeners,

because there is so much video involved in this that I feel like you truly need to visually see

“the body cam, the reactions, the body language, all of these things. I think that episode will only”

live on YouTube, because I just think it's a more of a video experience. However, let me know in the comments if you really want me to cross post it. If you're like, no, it's fine. Like, we can figure it out, like post it anyway, but I do think that it's just easier to understand and digest if you watch it on YouTube. So we're going to try to get that out ASAP, but make sure if you're watching this right now on YouTube, that again, you press subscribe so that you don't miss that, because it won't

be in the regular release schedule. And if you are a podcast listener, you may want to just, you know, in a few days, pop over to YouTube, or even pop over to YouTube right now and subscribe to the channel so that you don't miss that. But there is a lot we need to go over, and we don't have enough time in today's episode to go over everything. So as of now, the cases still ongoing, there are more court proceedings that are expected in the coming weeks. And yeah, we're going to just

follow this closely. But anytime there's teen violence, it's very disturbing. Well, when I saw that footage of the body in the back of a cop car, you just can't believe it, because you think there's two girls who just had this huge thing unravel and they're in the back of a cop car for something so serious, they don't care at all. No. And I was also thinking, like, how could you ever be

If anything, I would hope that would be the sobering moment where you're like, what did we just do?

Like, why were we planning this horrific thing? Why did I let you talk me into this? But instead, they're like laughing and making light of it. And it does seem like Isabel was the ringleader in this. So and low as was charged, as we know right now, as an accessory. So still, though, both as adults, which is very serious, however, it's also Florida. And we talked about this recently with another case, because no offense to all my smart Floridians, but what's in the water in Florida right now,

but we talked about who was it? It was a young, what's it a girl or a boy? I mean, we've talked about

“so many cases. I feel like there's been a lot. Where it's a minor, I think it might be Anna Kempner.”

Oh, her steps further. And how in Florida, the law is that if you are charged as a minor and not as an adult, that you're released in 21. So the fact that they were released or sorry, the fact that they were charged as adults means, obviously, that that's not going to happen, which is great. But hopefully, this is the moment that lowest is kind of having that reflection point and realization of like what the hell did I raise her friends? Choose your friends carefully. Choose your friends,

wisely. I feel like mom and dad would be very proud right now that now if we can finally say that.

I can't finally say that because I did not choose my friends wisely. I'm 16 to 21. My friends were trash. They were asked. They were not. Yes, no friends. I've been listening and supporting this. Most of them, most of them, why you think I ended up with all these ugly ass tattoos,

“but choose your friends wisely. Where do the wise? And that's why the ador is in chess and sway”

angel or a gamy. And he's the one you've got to worry about. Yeah, I mean, he's the scary one. Okay, so now we have an update in the case. You talked to us about a few weeks ago, right? Yes, we've gotten update on Genesis Nova Read. If you remember, we covered this back in headline highlights in late February. And it's about a two-year-old little girl in Alabama who just seemed to vanish overnight. And just a quickly recap on February 16th, Genesis's mother Adrian Read

reported her missing, claiming she had just disappeared in the middle of the night. But almost immediately, things didn't sit right with investigators. Within days, the story completely unraveled, and Adrian was actually arrested for false reporting. After police said the timeline she gave, just didn't add up. And then neighbor started speaking out, saying they hadn't seen Genesis in weeks. Some even said the last time they remember seeing her was around Christmas, which would have been

almost two months before she was reported missing. And that detail alone made everyone pause, because that meant that this wasn't only a child who just went missing. This was a child who allegedly had been gone for weeks. And no one had reported it. Reports also said that Genesis's bedroom was completely cleared out as if no child had ever lived there. And you remember the carpet had been cut out, and there had even been a mattress found nearby. So police and people in the community

searched for Genesis for weeks, even bringing in drones, cadaver dogs hoping to find her. But they had no luck. Now fast forward to the most recent update. This is where the case takes a devastating

“turn and what investigators say they uncovered just honestly was a lot to process. According to law”

enforcement, it's believed that Genesis was likely killed around Christmas Day 2025, which looking back, lines up exactly what the neighbors had been saying all along. Investigators believe that after her death, her mother placed her body into a duffel bag, and then disposed of it in a dumpster. Police say they reviewed surveillance footage from a neighbor's house that shows Adrian walking towards the dumpster late at night, pulling what appeared to be a rolling duffel bag at 11.29.

And then Adrian returned back two days later to that dumpster with toys and belongings believed to belong to Genesis. And over the course of the last month and a half since Genesis was reported missing, police have executed dozens of search warrants, combed through digital evidence, and tracked movements across multiple locations to pieces together. And after piecing this,

all together on March 9th, which would have been Genesis's third birthday, Adrian Reed was formally

charged with capital murder and abusive accorpes, and prosecutors have confirmed that they are seeking the death penalty. The coffee county DA said in a statement, quote, "The evidence shows that Adrian Reed killed her daughter," literally threw her in the trash. And then engaged in a 53-day campaign of deceit, lies, manipulation, and destruction of evidence before she finally reported her missing on February 16th. Her conduct speaks for itself, and I believe this preliminary decision

to seek the death penalty conforms to our community's beliefs about this case. But the thing that makes this even more complicated is Genesis's body has still not been found. Authorities believe

usually compacted, transported, and layered, it's not a simple search. The process of figuring out where her body might be involves mapping the landfill by truck schedule and using GPS monitors on the equipment there. Officials have narrowed down the area to a 200 by 100 foot area, approximately eight to 10 feet deep with waste. But even with that area mapped out, it still could take weeks, even months to go through everything and to find Genesis. Which means right now, prosecutors are

building a case without a body. And if that sounds familiar, that's probably because people are already drawing comparisons to cases like Casey Anthony, which we did too when we covered it. Where there's a lack of physical evidence that becomes a major factor in court. But the prosecutors are making it clear that they believe the surveillance footage, the timeline gaps,

“and the digital evidence are strong enough to move forward. And honestly, one of the biggest”

things that keeps coming up in this case is that if Genesis truly did go missing around Christmas day and wasn't reported missing until mid-February, that's nearly two months. So this is obviously still very much chilling folding and there are a lot of questions that still

need answers. And as always, we will be updating you as we become aware of them. But

very, very sad case and praying that they recover poor little Genesis. I know it does. It is interesting. I mean, a nobody crime, sometimes is difficult to prosecute, but it seems like they do have a lot of evidence. And for that window of time, I would say her devices will probably share a lot of information. What she searched, what pictures were not on there of Genesis. When the last photo was taken of Genesis, and they'll probably be able to use that to then build a bigger

case as well. I would imagine. Yeah, as they wait to it. But it seems like they remember narrowed in an area to locate her. It's just going to now take time. And remember, she had that prior arrest because she had assaulted her mom with that sharp weapon, but we never really heard any more about what happened with that either. So maybe hopefully all that information will come out. Another monster mother. There's something about this time of year. Colder weather, more time indoors,

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“Okay, so this next case I honestly don't even know where to start because it kind of just feels”

like we're right back here once again. It's like another dugger, another arrest, and not just him, but also his wife. So last week, Joseph dugger, who many of you guys might know from the old TV show 19 kids in counting, you probably also just know the dugger family name. Well, he was arrested. And he is now facing serious, serious charges involving a child. According to investigators, this all goes back to an incident that took place in 2020 during what was supposed to be

a family vacation in Florida. A young girl who was just nine years old at the time says that she was sexually violated by Joseph. And that report has now led to Joseph being charged years later. And believe it or not, Joseph allegedly admitted to everything. He admitted all of this to the child's father and not just to her father, but also to law enforcement. The affidavit says that Joseph quote admitted his actions, saying he quote touched the victim over her clothing. It also says

that Joseph admitted that his quote intentions were not pure. Now of course, this still has yet

“to be proven in court, but I think that his confession there, that is a huge piece of this case”

that is coming directly out of the arrest affidavit. So he was arrested on March 18. And he's expected to be transferred back to Florida to face these charges, which again, are loot acts of a child under 12. However, that is not where this story stops because within days, literally days, his wife Kendra Dugger was also arrested. And this is where things start to feel even more layered and honestly a little bit confusing if I'm going to be real with you,

because Kendra is now facing multiple charges in the state of Arkansas. And these charges include child endangerment and false imprisonment. And while she has since been released on bond, officials are saying that her charges are not directly related to Joseph's case, her husband, which I'm sorry, but how do you have two separate arrests involving children in the same household days apart? And they're not connected unless it's they were on that family vacation in

Florida. That's where that went down. But then they went back to Arkansas and that maybe they, you know, held this child against her will for intimidation or who knows what really happened. I mean, we obviously will find all of that out. But it's deeply unsettling. And then, as if this couldn't get even any more unbelievable, another dirty Dugger enters the chat, because Josh Dugger, yes, the Josh Dugger has now reportedly reacted to his brother Joseph's arrest, not directly, but through

his attorney. According to that statement, Josh, quote, expressed sympathy for Joseph and says, "He knows what a toll it takes on someone to be falsely accused." Which, sorry, but the first problem that people have with that is that Josh Dugger is currently serving more than 12 years in federal prison after being convicted of multiple counts of sending receiving sea san material involving children and his own dirty deeds that he did. I mean, he's a freaking foul human being. I could

talk forever on that piece of shit, which none of that is alleged. This has been proven in court. Also, there is a video. I'm not going to name the title of the video, because I don't like anybody needs to know what it is. Being in this world, I haven't seen it myself. Let me throw that out.

And I will never, ever view it. But there is a particular video in the sea san world that has a

specific title that has been deemed by officials, as the worst possible sea san material out there. And this video was found on Josh Dugger's computer when he was arrested. So, it wasn't like,

regard. It's obviously not. It doesn't matter the age, the circumstances, but he also had the absolute worst possible sea san file that exists on his device. Which shows you just what a

sick and depraved vile human being he is. Now, the second issue that I have with this piece of shit

dirt bag Josh and sorry, now I'm getting mad because I fucking hate this guy. He's talking about his brother being falsely accused. And oh my god, what a toll it takes on you to be falsely accused. I've been there, I know. And it's like, your brother, Joseph, he admitted to it. In the afternoon, he told not only the child's father, but he told the authorities. Like,

“it said, yeah, my intentions weren't here. I did do that. It's like falsely accused. Where? Where?”

I mean, it's not like he's claiming that he didn't do it unless he's going to start recanting, but it's, you know, the cat is already out of the bag, my friend. So, I don't know, did Josh think that he could just now like swoop back into notoriety and like saved the day by claiming his brother's innocence. Like anybody would even believe this piece of shit. Like, oh, you know what, Josh Ducker said that his brother's innocent. And even though he's serving 12

years with the feds for what he did, we should totally believe him. Like, were you out of your mind? If not to mention, I'm just going on around here. His fucking face, man. It infuriates me. All of the Duckers. I hate every single one of them. And I'm going to talk about the family in a minute here, too. So, the fact that Josh is now weighing in and the tone of that statement while the authorities are obviously saying that Joseph admitted to what happened. I mean, I think I'm not alone in having a

“strong reaction. I think a lot of people out there are having a strong reaction. And the truth is,”

when you zoom out of it for a second, this isn't just one isolated situation. This is another

Ducker involving another case with another child. And it's also another moment where people are saying, like, how the hell is this even happening again? Like, I thought we got rid of dirty Ducker. You're telling me there's more, you're telling me they're all like filthy and disgusting even the women like what is going on. So, it has fueled massive amounts of speculation about the Ducker family and the dynamics within that family. How the kids were raised, what the parents may or may not have

top them growing up. Because as we know, this family has already been at the center of one of the most high profile scandals involving abuse. And now, here we are again, which talk about, like, shame from the parents. Like, you just see your kids getting knocked over like dominoes for

these charges. But also, it's like apples don't fall far from the tree. These parents are weirdos

in my opinion, too. And speaking of them, I personally thought that they were Mormons. I thought that they were maybe like a different sect and maybe they had been radicalized or something like that. But as I did some digging, it turns out that they're not Mormon, which I don't know if you guys all knew that. I just assumed this is going to sound assholey, but by the way, they dressed and the big family they had, I just kind of assumed they were Mormons. But they're actually

independent, fundamentalists, Baptists. So in addition to their religion, they follow a conservative Christian organization that is known as the Institute of Basic Life Principles, which, sorry, basic life principle, in my opinion, isn't that you touch a child under age, but maybe they're learning different life principles. And what I found interesting when I looked into this is that the Institute of Basic Life Principles, which is also known as IBLP, it's widely considered

to be a high control group or cult-like organization. And former members have spoken out including researchers and critics. And even though they say they identify as a Christian ministry, people who have been in that group say, this is a cult, which then that all clicks to me. I'm

“like, oh, that's why I thought they were Mormons, no offense. Like, I'm not that I think Mormonism”

is a cult. Don't come from me, but like, you know, the radicalists who then join cults, like the Davels, or, you know, Ruby Franky, and then you see also like the FLDS, where they're, that's like the fundamentalist group of LDS, where they all dress that way and the dugers kind of have that same look to them. So it's not Mormonism, but cult, it's like they all got the memo. This is the uniform where you're here in a braid, have long hair, I don't know. So people have said that our

former members and researchers and critics, they have said that IBLP is extremely controversial for enforcing strict authoritarian rules, promoting rigid patriarchal structures, and having a history of sexual assault allegations against founder Bill Gothard, which we know to the like patriarchy of it all with the dugers and how like all these women, and not all of them, but a lot of them covered for the bad behavior of their husband. Now we know that Kendra is arrested for her own

charges and involvement, apparently, in some regard. So I don't know. Obviously, it's ongoing. I'm going to be watching this very, very closely. There are still a lot of unanswered questions, especially when it comes to Kendra's charges, and what exactly was happening behind the scenes. So I will absolutely keep following every single update as it comes out, but I do want to know

I hate that name so much. The duger deep dive, whether you want to go back into what Josh did,

and I could just like skim the surface of that, whether you want the deep dive on this whole new situation, and what the wife's involvement was, as well as Joseph's, it might get a little dicey, especially, we know how much YouTube likes to censor me now, but let me know if you want the deep dive into like the whole duger dynasty, if you will, because there is a lot of bad behavior that has gone on throughout all of the family members, and don't quote me on this, but I remember,

and I don't know Amy if you remember this. It was either at the time of Josh's arrest, or maybe maybe it was shortly before, maybe it was shortly after, where they had come out to, instead, that like when they were younger, there was touching of the siblings and contact between the

siblings, and that the parents sent one of them off to like a camp, or something, to like a

treatment type of camp, almost like one of those boot camp things, and that they kept it within the religion, and like talked to their pastor, bishop, or whatever it would be, and that there like there was a lot of like sibling on sibling stuff happening, as they were growing up too, which happens in cults, happens in cults. I just, at any time I hear that last name, I've just lumped it into one of those things where I just like try to push it out of my mind, because I just kind of

I did, I put them under the umbrella that they grew up in this weird dysfunctional sick home, they became sick and did horrific things later, and I just haven't ever done a deep dive on them, just because I almost didn't want to know, but maybe I'm regretting saying do you guys want the deep dive, because I don't know if I do want to expose myself to that deep dive. Last time I asked if you, they wanted the deep dive for the guy who was like the corpse robber and plaster, and

everybody's all, yes, yes, so I did it, and I was all, and it just actually released last Friday on YouTube as I'll, at the beginning of the video, I then said to the camera, why the hell did I do that? It's like, why didn't they even ask you guys this is sick, because it's like unbelievable, and then you think if you're, there's a spotlight on your family, your brother is in prison,

“why are you now going out and committing the same crime? I mean, similar crime. I now, I think it's almost,”

it's obviously a choice, but I want it to stickness as well. It's a sickness, and I want to be careful with how I say this, but it's almost like it's learned behavior from such a young age that maybe they're, even though they know it's wrong, they're desensitized to it, and it's like an impulse thing where they don't have the impulse control, which certainly doesn't excuse it. It's like, right, castrate yourself, I don't get a shit. You know, like, do what you got to do, but like,

the fact that there's so much of the same shit happening within this family, I think speaks volumes. It's not just like one outlier who has these impulse impulses and, you know, desires, it's rooted, I think, in their upbringing, and I think that's evident, too, in the sibling on sibling stuff that they went through. It's that cycle, which you hear about all the time. But then, think, okay, well, Kendra was an outsider. She mirried into this. She didn't grow up with all that,

so what was her enrollment enrollment enrollment enrollment enrollment enrollment enrollment enrollment in the cold, but I'm curious to know, yeah, what are these charges and what exactly was the situation and like, was she? I mean, my thoughts, and I could totally be wrong, we'll find out, but if it's child

“and dangerment and false imprisonment, I think that it was not allowing the child to leave,”

or if the child was going to go tell someone, like, keeping them in a room, maybe, like, not like trapping them for months, but like, say, like, an afternoon where it happened, and then she wanted to run and go tell her dad. And they're like, no, no, don't leave. We're going to keep you in here. We're going to talk about it. We're going to figure it out, which that is technically false imprisonment. So, and maybe it is something way more severe than that. Could it be because

the vacation was in a different state? And like, well, no, because her charges are an Arkansas. So, if she was doing that in Florida, it would have been on the vacation. But do you think that was the child from Arkansas? Like, did she not just take them to Florida or something? And like, that's the imprisonment? No, because I think it was a whole family vacation. That's crazy. I don't know. It's weird. So, I'm really, really going to regret saying this. But if you want the deep dive, let me know

in the Q&A section on Spotify or the comments section on YouTube. And if you can see right now, I'm just closing my eyes and likes secretly praying, don't ask for the deep dive test. So,

“you don't want the deep. I say, no, honey, we don't want it. But I think after you said that”

thing about Josh, everyone's going to be curious how he had the worst piece of what you're

even in the deep dive. I will never say that file name because nobody ever needs to look into

that. I know the context of what is on that file. And that is enough to honestly make me sick to my stomach. But he had that, which shows you what it, it for that. It's like, that was disturbed. Learned behavior and the norm in their family. Like, you are seeking out something that is so fucking wild. You know, creeps. The dirty ass dugers. All right. I need to take a

it or something. She's gone. Well, I know I sent this one to you because it was all over the headlines.

“And I think it's, it's an international case. And it's been making headlines internationally. I think”

because it's everyone's worst personal nightmare if you think about it. We're talking about Stephanie Piper, a 31 year old influencer from Grots Austria, who is known for posting beauty, fashion, and singing content online. On November 23rd, 2025, Stephanie attended a Christmas party and it was a completely normal night. Nothing out of the ordinary. Later, she headed home and message

to friends saying she made it back safely. But then, she sent a second message saying she thought

someone was in the stairwell of her building. More specifically, that there was "a creep in her stairwell" and that message ended up being the last time anyone heard from her. She didn't show it for work the next day and right away was reported missing. It just wasn't like her to miss work, especially when she had a very important shoot scheduled for that day. Neighbors said the night she disappeared, that same night that she had sent those texts, they heard loud arguing and saw

Stephanie's ex-boyfriend in the building. At first, this was treated like a missing person's case. But investigators didn't have to look far before focusing on one person, her ex-boyfriend. And within just a few days, he and two of his family members who were believed to be involved

were arrested and taken into custody for questioning. And that's where things escalated very quickly.

According to investigators, he allegedly confessed and told police that after an argument, he attacked and strangled Stephanie. But then, he didn't call for help or report anything. Instead, investigators say he placed her body into a suitcase and drove it across the border into Slovenia. Authorities said that after he crossed the border, he took the suitcase into a wooded area, buried it, and later burned his car near the border in a casino parking lot.

Allegedly trying to destroy evidence. Based on that confession, police were able to locate the suitcase and inside, they found Stephanie. At that point, the case was clearly horrific, but it seemed pretty straightforward based on that confession and the evidence that matched his story. But it wasn't exactly as cut and dry as it looked. And here's where things get extremely horrific and hard to process. Prosecutors have recently said that it's entirely

possible that Stephanie was still alive when she was placed inside that suitcase and buried. She was found with injuries on her face that they said could have come from attempting to bludgeon her way out of that suitcase, which is obviously so scary to even think about. And again, everyone's worst nightmare. Now to be clear, this hasn't been verified by the medical examiner yet. It's just something investigator said was possible based on the early evidence,

but it still is raising a lot of questions. If she was strangled, was it not fatal? Did she

“lose consciousness? But not actually die? Did she wake up? Was she aware of what was happening?”

So investigators are trying to determine right now is not just how she died, but when. They're looking at whether injuries she had happened before or after her death, signs of a sixthiation, and whether there is any indication that she was breathing while in that suitcase. And if it turns out she died from being inside that suitcase from suffocation, from lack of oxygen, from being buried, then that changes everything.

Legally, it can impact charges and show proof of prolonged suffering. And emotionally, it makes this case even more devastating because it means there may have been a window of time where she was alive, trapped, and unable to escape. And when you think back to that final message, her saying she thought someone was in the stairwell, it holds an entirely different weight now

because she obviously could have never imagined or seen this coming. So investigators are continuing

“to process forensic evidence, and the autopsy results will be key in confirming what exactly”

happened in those final moments. Stephanie's ex-boyfriend is currently awaiting pretrial in Austria and is expected to face his trial later this year. If he's convicted, he's looking at a sentence of life and prison. And as of right now, this is one of those cases that everybody's talking about, has a lot of questions about and wondering what really happened to Stephanie that night. I feel like those are two of my worst fears being buried alive and being burned alive. Obviously,

she wasn't burned. Drowny. That scares me, but I've heard it's peaceful. Being buried alive, scares the shit out of me. And if she had blunt force trauma trying to escape, like hitting her head, trying to break through that is so awful to think about. I know, I think what really hit me with this one outside of it just being horrible was I think of

I feel like there's something weird going on or like, and while, of course, in that moment, you feel like I'm telling somebody. So I'm saying something, you're not necessarily taking it as a super serious threat or necessarily doing anything to defend yourself. And they said that it's differently now. Those last text messages. Yeah, it's true because it's a stairwell when she recognized her ex-boyfriend. God, what a nightmare. I know I can't imagine that. Which speaking of like

crazy relationships, I don't know if you guys have been following the trial of Girdheart Coneg.

“We talked about that this case about a year ago. I think on headline highlights,”

maybe it was a bonus episode. I can't remember, but Girdheart Coneg is 46 years old. His wife,

RRL, is 36 years old. He's an anesthesiologist and basically they were living in Hawaii. And they

had had a little bit of a tumultuous relationship in marriage. They were in couples counseling, RRL thought that it was working. So on her birthday, he's like, hey, let's go for a hike on this like beautiful lookout trail in Hawaii. We'll celebrate your birthday. She's like, okay, great. So they go out on this hike and he's like, hey, let's take a selfie together. We're like right here, which was like cliffside to which RRL was like, uh, no, I'm a little too scared to do that. Like,

look how steep it is. It's dangerous. You're not even supposed to really hike on this trail. There's actually signs of saying like professionals only, you know, at your own risk, all of these things. So anyway, she says like, no, I don't want to take this selfie. This in a rage is him. So he then pushes allegedly, pushes her in the bushes, tries to attack her, a fight ensues. He allegedly hits her over the head with a rock 10 times. Then, try it pulls out a syringe that

he had in his fanny pack and tries to inject her with it. She luckily like knocks it out of his hands and she starts running, screaming, other hikers find her. They call 911. He goes on the run.

There's this whole manhunt. He calls his 19-year-old son. Basically says, goodbye, kind of like this

confession to what he was trying to do. But then now his defense team is saying this wasn't a confession. It was a mental health crisis. Anyway, it's a very interesting case because as I said, he's an anesthesiologist. He certainly had access to different types of medications. Why would he have syringes with him on this hike? They later found a fanny packet as house that had profile in it as well, which is like the thing that killed Michael Jackson, if you remember.

And he had other medications that weren't properly stored either. And kind of, there's a lot more history to. They had gotten married in 2018. He was divorced in 2014 from his previous wife

“who was a sex worker. They met when she was 20. They were married for, I believe, 14 years,”

had some kids together. They divorced in 2014 and then he met RL at work. They married in 2018. And this all happened last year. So my point is he's on trial right now. And opening statements

began at the end of last week where basically the prosecution was saying, not only was this

attempted murder, but he had three different methods that he tried to, you know, complete his plan with. The rock, the syringe, the cliff side selfie. And so when that didn't work, you know, he moved on to the next method. And what I had to do a little bit about at this start at the start of this episode is that over the weekend, I filmed with Hulu for this case. And if that episode releases tonight on Hulu. So you can get fully caught up with the case. I believe it's more of

like a part one style episode because obviously the trial is still ongoing, which side note, RL was testified on Tuesday, which happened to be not only her birthday, but also the Anniversary

“of the attack because we're on Berky to be on her birthday. And so I think they're going to do a”

follow up one too. But it's a very interesting case. It's like, you know, beautiful paradise. Hawaii, this crazy thing. And a term that I learned through all of this too is Alpine divorce, which makes it so much sense. And it's basically when spouses take or lure their partner to the mountains or the cliff side or dangerous trails to where they either then abandon them, say, like, and leave them. So then they die because they're lost or they're like, whatever reasons,

or they try to do something like this. And it's so, and it's murder, of course, but it's like the loophole of not having to get an actual legal divorce. So it's an alpine divorce because of the elements. So there's like this weird term now going around that I know. So anyway, that episode releases, it may actually be outright now. I'm not sure what time they release it, but it's Thursday on Hulu. So go watch it. See your girl. We recorded here in the studio in the set. And I can't

believe the fast turnaround. We literally recorded it on Saturday. And that episode is out. So stay tuned for more on that. But yeah, that's a wild one. I mean, I obviously have a lot of questions about that case, but it's just get a divorce. Just get a divorce, Gerard Hart, and also why are you using

lived to tell the story? Well, I will. So he's saying, according to this, you can see more of this

“in the episode, the defense is saying, no, she was having an affair. They obviously were having a”

tough time. They went for this hike. She admitted to the affair on the hike and what started as

what they're calling like a couple's squabble, quickly escalated, and that Gerard Hart, he was

defensive and reactive, and it was heat of the moment that it wasn't planned that this wasn't

“like, it was just a fight that that escalated between a couple. But that's where the prosecution is like,”

well, then why do you have syringes on you? Why do you, we think you attempted to push off the one and why were they trying to take a selfie if they're in a fight? Exactly. Well, the defense is strategy. I get it. We're in an argument. Let's talk him. Let's take a picture together. So yeah,

“that it's a very, very interesting case. And so go watch that episode on Hulu. Other than that,”

as a reminder, a new episode released this Monday on the serialist leafy, a new episode released on the 10-to-life podcast feed, follow both podcasts if you are a podcast listener so that you don't

miss any of those. And I will be back with you first thing on Monday with an all new deep dive

into a case. But another friendly reminder, make sure you're subscribed on YouTube, not only my podcast listeners, but my YouTube peeps because I am going to put that deep dive out of the two teenage girls and all of the footage that we've been able to obtain from that. And so if you're subscribed, you'll be notified of that. But until the next one, I guess we could say all of the things be nice, don't kill people, just get a divorce. Don't join a cult, Douglas. If you see something, say something,

you see something, say something, and stay safe. All right, bye.