391: Part 2: She Packed Butcher Knives in Her Purse | Angelique Robledo

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over here on Serialisly. With me, you're host Annie Elise. Now in part one, if you're either catching up or you missed it or you just need a refresh, we walked through everything leading up to the moment we left off at Angelique's life as a young pregnant teenager.

The relationship that she was building with her new great friend Cassandra and how it seemed like a very normal friendship slowly started taking a very unsettling turn. And we left off at a pretty chilling moment too. When Cassandra had brought Angelique into her bedroom, told her to turn around for a gift and then started counting one, two.

Now if you haven't listened to part one yet, I highly, highly recommend going back and starting there so that you have the full context before continuing. But with that, let's pick back up right where we left off. Here is Angelique.

So finally, I go Cassandra, are you going to show me and she goes yes and she puts one

hand on my shoulder on my left hand shoulder and she leans me forward. So much that my stomach is huge that I can't breathe and she goes one, two, and right when she does the three, I literally jump up off the bed and I, the reason I jumped though is because something said run, like in my head it said run and so I jumped up and I ran to my, like ran to my, like my light, I turned the light switch on and I look at

“her and she's putting something back into the bag and I'm like what are you doing?”

And then all of a sudden, what, what a coincidence, her phone rings, it's whoever she's been talking to this whole day, the phone rings and she's like just talking to somebody in Spanish and I remember sitting there looking at her and just like observing and just watching her and she's just having a full conversation with someone on your bed. Still on my bed, the bag next to her, yes, just talking and then she's grabbing the

bed, she's getting off the bed and she sounds like she's almost arguing with somebody. And then I literally, I literally, like, I'm, I'm standing there for probably about 30 seconds

until I turn around and walk out of my room to collect myself, to understand what just happened.

So now I go, but I sit the table and I'm, I'm so dissociated at this point. Yeah. I'm doing, I'm just filing my nails. All I'm doing is sitting there. I'm replying it over and over again in my head.

You stood there. She didn't give you anything. What was it? Is there something in her bag? Are you crazy?

You didn't take your nap today, maybe, maybe you're delirious. Like maybe this isn't even actually happening. So I am fighting back and forth with myself, but I'm a very big, I'm not a true crime junkie, but I'm definitely like an SVU junkie. So I've watched a lot of like SVU where I've known that you don't, like you don't let

the murder or know that you know what's going to happen. Yeah. Because if you do, you're going to make them, they're going to make them a stake, which could be, you know, if you're really bad. So I was like, in my head, I was like, OK, don't alarm her to where you think something

is wrong, but also don't be stupid and not realize what's going. Like what could be happening at this point, you knew some things weird here, some things going on. I don't know what it is, but some things not right. Some things not right, but I will be very honest.

I was also 18 years old, a teenager, and there was a part of me that did feel like, what if I'm wrong? What if I accused now this new friend who's friends with all of my friends and myself, and I was crazy. And I call the cops on her.

Yeah. And then I looked like, Angela, all she was doing was giving you a gift, and there's a gift in there.

“Like, she gave me gifts earlier, like, what would make this different?”

So we were already established. She's weird. Yeah. We were already established that she's a weird person. So like, I don't know, that part of me was in the back of my head, but it wasn't

going away. So I wasn't just going into this thinking, like, oh, lot of that, like, I'm just going to, no, that's not how I went into this. I went into this very, very smart. Yeah.

So then I'm sitting there and I'm doing my nails, and she comes out, and she goes, my husband, my husband. And I was like, oh, she goes, he's going to surprise me and coming down here to go to dinner

But I have nothing to wear, and I'm like, she's leaving.

Yeah. She's leaving. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. She's not trying to kill me.

Like, she's going to leave. So I was got so excited. So I was like, oh, you can try something on in my room, go look at my room. I didn't even want to bring up the gift, like at this point, whatever you have in your bag. I don't want.

But I didn't even bring it up. I didn't, I didn't want to, I was too scared to bring it up. I just knew at this moment she was going to go. Now, I don't know how in depth you want me to go, but there was another incident that happened like right after that.

So I don't, I don't know where this, so I don't know where it fits into my story. There was a moment, and I don't know if it happened before we went into the room or if it happened after, but there was a moment that she went into the bathroom, and she came out with water on her pants and tried to fake like she, like her water broke. Oh, and she told you her water broke.

She's like, I don't know what's happening, I, and I'm sorry, like I know it's okay.

I don't remember if it was before or after, so like I've never really tell people in interviews

because I can't, like I can't distinguish with it and that's absolutely fair that you don't remember that. I don't know. I mean, with everything you went through, but okay, that's obviously a very big detail. It is because at one point, she called somebody and was like, she asked me like, she

started freaking out. Oh my gosh, I don't know what's happening. I was like, oh my god, like did your water break, like your seven months, like your six, seven months pregnant, like this is bad. And she was like, I don't know what's going on when you come to the hospital with me.

And I was like, yeah, like I'll come to the hospital with you, like whatever you need. She goes, okay. And she goes, let me call somebody, she goes, hey, come get us. Okay, bye. And hangs up.

Who's this person? She's calling. Yeah. Oh my mom really quick, I need to let her know what's happening.

“And I start to grab my phone and she goes, wait, you need to let your mom know.”

And I said, yeah, like I, she's like, you're 18, I was like, yeah, but I live with my mom,

like I got to let her know. Yeah. Well, let me go make sure I didn't pee myself. And then she goes back into the bathroom, comes out. And she goes, a false alarm, I think I might have just peed myself.

And I felt really bad, I didn't feel bad, but I had done that twice. So I had, but I'm, I'm going to raise my hand with guilt that I have been the woman that went to the hospital thinking that my, you know, water broke. And unfortunately, when they come back and say, it's not water. It's your, and you're like, you're like, are you sure, can you run that test again?

Please. So she was doing a lot of things though to almost like simulate that she had gone into labor. And then she went, then when you were saying, I'm going to notify my mom, she starts walking it back saying, oh, no, I just peed myself.

Yes. Okay. So whether that happened before or after the bedroom incident unclear, but now she's getting picked up by her husband, she needs something to wear. She's going through your closet.

Yes. I want to say it happened after because I feel like her trying clothes on in my room had something to do with her leaving with her husband, but also because she had wanted to change. She wanted to change because she had water all over her.

I just, and a part of my brain just doesn't remember exactly.

“I do just remember that though, because I remember thinking in my head like, oh, this”

poor girl just peed herself in my, in my bed and like my, my bathroom. Yeah. So I go into my room. I grab like five different outfits, I lay it out on my bed, and I'm like, here you go, you can try all of these on whatever fits you.

You can have. I don't even care. Like take it with you. Awesome of these to buy. Yeah.

So she goes into her room. My room. And before she goes into my room though, there's no reason for this, but I'm a can't. I love candles. I love them.

I just, you know, you feel that moment that you just want to light a candle just because. So I had gotten this new like little, it was like a teacup candle that like where you put like the oil and then like it, like kind of goes up and okay, let's like the fragrance or I don't know what they're called, but you know, you'd visually, you can see what I'm

saying. So I remember before she went into the room, I took a candle and I let it. No reason. Just let it. And that's when I laid the clothes out.

She went and tried the clothes on. She closed the door. I went back and started, you know, filing my nails more.

“And then all of a sudden she comes out and she goes, what do you think about this?”

And I was like, oh, that dress looks great on you. Like you can barely tell that you're even pregnant, like you can have it. Like you, that would be perfect to go to dinner with. And then all I start, like as I'm talking to her though, I start walking into my room. And when I walk into my room, I smell something weird.

And I'm like, do smell that. And she was like, what? And I was like, it smells like something's on fire. And I looked to the candle, the candles out, but it doesn't smell like a burning candle went out.

It just smells like something's on fire. And she's like, no, I don't smell that. And I'm like, really, and I'm like, huh, so then I start looking everywhere in my room. I open my closet. I'm doing this very fast.

So like, I open my closet, see nothing, look under my bed, see nothing. Open my drawers, nothing. And I'm sitting there, my brain is just like kind of going and going and going. And I'm like, what is going on right now? Like, why it smells like a fire?

So then I literally go back as a test because I go and take another candle. Something inside, something inside my brain is telling me that something's wrong. And I don't know how to prove it. So I go get another candle and I light it. And I see what she does.

She goes, oh, is it okay if I try this other dress on?

But I'm very suspicious now, so she runs back into the room, closes the door.

And I'm like, something's happening in that room. So then my pantry is diagonal from my bedroom door. So I go into my pantry and I'm pretending, I'm so paranoid, I'm so paranoid at this point. I'm pretending like I'm looking for chips.

“So I'm making noise in my pantry and I'm like, Cassandra, do you want some chips?”

Do you want to snack? Are you hungry? And I'm just like leaning over looking at my door and I can see her shadow and it's pacing back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Like it's just, and I'm like, she's fucking setting my house on fire.

And I'm so sorry. I don't know for a lot of costs. No, you're fine. You're fine.

And so I was like, she's setting my house on fire.

But nothing made sense. Why? And where am I getting this all from? I've no, like, where do you get from a candle, like, it just, it was very weird. So she opens the door.

I run back in there and I look at the candle and I go, Cassandra, why is that candle out again? And at this point, I'm pissed. I'm stern. I forgetting that she even tried it like whatever happened, I'm just mad.

“Like, what is, can you explain to me like, what is going on?”

And she goes, what do you mean? I didn't put that out and she said it must have just went out and I'm like, the fan isn't on. The AC isn't on. How does a candle just go out?

And I'm like, in what is that smell? And she's like, I don't know why I do smell it now, though. And I was like, okay, so then we start looking through my, she's looking through my room with me. I look at my, I go to my brother's room, which is right next door.

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and tell them that we sent you. My whole closet is in flames. All of my clothes are, everything is just blazing, and I start screaming, "Oh my god, there's a fire!" And at this point, everything went outside of my head of what just happened, just like

I need to get this fire out. And I had my cell phone, it was just a flip phone, so I took it and I pressed "Send, send, send, send, send," which ended up calling my best friend Skyler. He was the last person that ever called me. So when I call him, I'm just screaming.

Call 911, my house is on fire. Please, I'm trying to put it out. Boom, I hang up. I'm running back and forth with pots and pans. I threw a pot at Cassandra, but honestly, I don't even know what she was doing at this point.

I think she was just standing there watching me.

fire.

And at this point, my whole room is filled with smoke.

It's hard to breathe. She can't breathe. She's coughing. I'm coughing. So I run to the garage, the garage is right next to my room.

I open the garage door and I grab, I go back inside my room, grab her by her collar and I drag her outside and smoke just starts rolling out of my house. So at this point, all you see is like black smoke, just rolling out of the garage. And Skyler had gotten their first before the paramedics, Skyler lived like three minutes away for me.

And he had gotten their first before the paramedics, before the firefighters, before anybody came. And right when she came out, right when we both came out, he pulled up with his mom and his little brother. And she just took off running down the street barefoot.

Nobody knows why. Wow. Nobody knows why. That's the markings I'm an innocent person. God's what I'm saying.

And he goes, what? And I go, just let her go. Yeah. Just let her go. And he's like, what's going on?

“Did she have the big diaper bag with her when she took off on foot?”

I'm going to be honest. I have no idea.

We've never been able to, I'll say, like, it's a very weird thing that she did.

But we've never been able to understand, like, why? Like, nobody found anything. The police, like, wait and looked in the bushes that she, nobody could find anything. So I don't know if she called somebody. Yeah.

So I don't, that part I don't know of. Okay. Like, it was just a very weird thing. But it was a moment for me to talk to Skyler by myself. So like Skyler's mom runs back inside my house and just make sure the fire is out.

And I pull Skyler aside. And he's like, what? I was like, just let her go. Let her go. I don't know what's happening.

Like, like, what is going on? And I'm like, can I tell you something without you, like, thinking different or judging me? And he's like, yeah, and I said, all right, I think she was trying to kill me. I think she was going to stab me.

I'm not exactly sure why. I think she set my house on fire. I think she's jealous of me. I don't know what's happening Skyler, but that's literally how I'm telling him. I'm telling him so fast that his brain can't even comprehend what I'm saying.

And he's looking at me like, I'm crazy.

And I'm like, yeah, I'm never going to say this to anybody.

I'm never going to tell anybody what I just said. Because the way he's looking at me is like, I have 10 heads. And he goes, I could you believe me, right? And he goes, I want to believe you.

“But like, why would she, like, this doesn't make any sense?”

Like, are you, are you like, are you sure this is what happened? Like, he was even questioning, like, what I was saying? And I was just like, maybe I'm, maybe I'm overreacting, maybe this didn't happen. Maybe I'm delirious, like, maybe there's something wrong with me. And I'm like, God.

So at that point, I start having contractions. So now, now after I told him, because the Andrew came back. So she did come back and now the paramedics are there. The firefighters, the police are there. My parents pull up and the fire restarted.

So the cops, the firefighters are back in there trying to figure out what's happening. I hear them talking about like a battery that may have exploded. So in my head, I'm like, maybe she didn't start this fire. Like, maybe this is all just like, there's a, there's something like they're going to figure out what, like their fire investigators are going to figure out what happened.

Yeah. So I'm like, okay, like let everyone do their job. Let me just go ahead and worry about myself because at this point, I'm in like labor because I just, the smoke made us have contractions. I think us, because she started having contractions.

So her and I are both being treated by paramedics. And my mom comes over to me and she's like, hey, like, how are you feeling? Like, how did this happen? And I'm like, I don't, I don't know. Just let them figure out what happened.

And then go, and it can see. And just like crying. She's like, oh my gosh, she's in so much pain and she's crying and I go, mom, just go, just go to her. Like go to her.

I have Skyler. So my mom goes over and starts like holding her hand and the paramedics are getting information from her. And this is where my mom started to catch on to things because everything she was telling the paramedics was different than what she told us.

Like her name was Cassandra Turuga. But she said her name was like Marie Turuga or something. She was like giving different, like names, different addresses, different age, different how many months she was. Like everything wasn't adding up to what she told us earlier that day.

“So my mom was like, weren't she like six, seven months pregnant?”

Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. I didn't mean I was five. I'm like seven. So like there were certain things that my mom was like sitting there starting to like

hear these. Yeah. And I'm sitting there just like trying to breathe. I have like an air like a mask on. And I told Skyler not to tell anybody.

But of course, like we're teenagers. He ends up telling us mom. His mom tells my parents this is all happening while we're outside. Like it's just like a, you know, everyone's whispering.

And all of a sudden, my mom, my dad and Skyler's mom all give me like a look. And I'm like, did you tell them? And he goes, "Angela, I had two things or weird." Like I'm feeling weird about this. Like God forbid it this actually is real.

And she tried to kill you. Like somebody has to help us. Yeah. And I look at him and I just do a big sigh of relief. Like thank you.

Like I couldn't say it. So then I get up because I'm feeling better. She's still crying. And she's also talking on the phone with somebody saying, yeah, Angela, what hospital are you going to go to?

Can I go to the same hospital she goes to? And I'm like, don't let her go near me, please.

And I'm like, okay, so I do the same thing I did to Skyler.

“And I'm like, I think she was going to kill me.”

She put me in my room. She put me in the middle of the kitchen. Then she put me in my room. Something told me she was going to kill me. And I'm like trying to explain to them.

And I can tell they just like Skyler. They all want to understand and they all want to believe me. But I look like I'm hysterical at this point. And the paramedics go, okay, we're taking her to the hospital, we're just grabbing her belonging.

So they start grabbing all my clothes. And I'm like, no, no, no, those are mine. I go, this is all hers. And I grab the bag and I give them the bag. And as I'm handing them the bag, I take it back.

And I go, wait, there was a gift in here. And I put it on top of the counter. So everybody could see it. I'm explaining.

She said she had this gift.

It shine on the ceiling. It said she said it had Ryland's name on it. And I'm like talking and I'm talking, opening it. I put my hands in and literally all I feel is metal. And when I pull my hand out, I have two large butcher knives in my hand, and I drop them

on the counter. And I said, I told you she was going to kill me. I told you. And then I go into this weird, I kept saying the same thing over and over and over. I told you she was going to kill me.

I told you she was going to kill me. And I just kept saying that. It was like, for like an hour straight. I was like in this strand and I couldn't stop and I was just staring at a wall crying. Yeah.

And at that point, they had already got her into the ambulance. There was no, like going, like once medically wise, like once you get into an ambulance, like there's no, they're going to take you to the hospital. Yeah. And then if they're going to have law enforcement, they'll send them there.

Exactly. Yeah. So that ends up happening. And they take her at this point. Now my street has been shut down as an attempt to murder scene.

So now nobody can get in nobody can get out.

“Was there anything else in the bag besides the two butcher knives?”

There was disinfectant. There was scissors, and there was a newborn diaper. Wow. Wow. Yeah.

It gives you chills. And like I literally have the chills. I can't even imagine what was going through your mind when you had that. It was, we're discovering all that. It was surreal.

It really was. And even my mom, like she'll sit there and she was just like, nobody's brains could understand like what was happening. And to be quite honest, even with all the evidence in front of me, I still didn't understand like why.

Like I didn't put two and two together that she wanted to take my baby. I knew that she just wanted to kill you. I just thought she wanted to kill me. So what was your mom's reaction as you were pulling the stuff out of the bag? Was she kind of like, what?

But the pair, I think, I don't think the cops were there when I pulled it out. It was the paramedics, my mom's crazy. She runs out with the butcher knives and the bag into like, she runs outside because that's where everybody's at. And she goes, this was at her bag and she's like a holding two large butcher knives.

And I'm like, so the cops are like, what are you doing? And she's like, no, I'll put down the knife lady. My mom's like, this was in my, in her bag. My mom is like screaming and I was, I just stayed stuck in the house like staring at a wall.

Yeah. I do remember they tried to call Josh and Josh was at a friend's house.

“So he had, I think he was drinking too because when he had to get a ride and I remember”

they wouldn't let him in. So it took two and a half hours for them to allow Josh to even come back because everything was shut down. Nobody in, nobody out.

And so finally they let him in and by the time he got to me, I was still just staring

at a wall. Like I wasn't talking. I wasn't doing anything. I wasn't talking. Literally the detectives try to talk to me and I was just silent.

I wouldn't talk to anybody. And then finally, like when he came, I felt like a sense of like relieved. And so I hugged him and then I like snapped out of it. Like I snapped out of whatever fun guy was in and I was like let me talk to the detective. And so I start talking to the detective and what sucks about it is like, remember this

is going to be like where we talked about how this detective knew me from my younger childhood and has arrested me plenty of times to the point where she was questioning me. Yeah. Are you sure that's what happened? Are you positive?

Do you think maybe the fire started because you were smoking weed in your room? Oh my gosh. Are you? You don't smoke weed still because I do recall you know me arresting you for smoking weed. Like, and the thing is, is I didn't even remember any of that until I got a hold of my

interrogation tapes and I listened to the whole thing. I thought that my brain wanted to think that they were on my side, but they were like making jokes. Like I've listened to my own tape and here I can hear myself like I'm I'm stuttering. I'm scared.

I'm laughing because I'm giggling because I'm nervous, but they're making me feel so uncomfortable throughout the whole investigation where they're just because I'm being questioned like I did something wrong and I just remember, you know, the fire investigators were in there. They were able to find the T-cup candles, they ran fingerprints, her fingerprints were

on both T-cup candles which they shouldn't have been if she didn't touch them. So she did use the T-cup candles to lighten the fire in my room and I don't they do have some type of report that explains like how it happened.

Something with the candle wax, something when she lit it, I think she may have let my computer and exploded. I'm not really, something created this boom, because remember the first time I looked in the closet, there was nothing, there was though, they said it was a slow fire and whatever she did the second time amplify it.

“And so that's what caused for the fire because like it was like maybe like four or five”

minute like in between that. So between that five minutes, like that, the flames were everywhere. And I hold everything in my closet was burned down. My mom's wedding dress that I wanted to wear when I got married, like I lost everything in that closet, which for me was a lot because that's the course.

This is where everything was. So as the detectives in the fire investigators are all now working together, realizing like what really happened, she's transported to the hospital and what happens from there. So she was transported to the hospital and from my understanding, she said she was pregnant, she ran a pregnancy, has she wasn't, and I think when they like confronted her about it,

she ran. Okay. So she left the hospital. Okay.

So when the detectives, she was never pregnant.

She was never pregnant. She just faked the whole thing. She faked the whole pregnancy. Was she wearing a fake belly or anything like that? No, she, she was a very, very skinny girl.

She was probably about like five, eight. So she was a little bit taller. She had really large hips and she had a really nice figure to be quite honest. She had big hips and a big butt and super, super tiny. So she would always like lean like this and she would constantly go like that.

So like a belly would kind of be there. But my mom told me, 'cause I remember I asked too, you know, she just looked that pregnant though. She doesn't look six or seven months. I'm almost like, women carry differently like they're some women that even don't even,

you never see it. You never see it. Yeah. And I didn't show because I was, you know, coming off drugs, I didn't show 'til I was like six months.

Like I didn't actually, I was trying to gain all that weight back.

So it made sense. But yeah, I know everybody just thought that she was pregnant. Yeah. And because she told everybody for months that she was. Yeah.

So she takes this test. She's not pregnant. She flees the hospital and what happens then. The next day I find out that she left the hospital and I was not okay with everything. I woke up feeling terrified because now it's like, somebody had to tell me that this

was a plan to take my baby. So like my mom ended up having to be the one to kind of reel me in and make me understand like Angelic, I don't think this was about killing you. I think this was about your bait. I think this was about Rylan.

Like I think she was going to take Rylan and then it all started to like, it was like a full circle where I was like, this happened that happened. I was like, oh my god, like I think you're right. Like it made more sense. Like the sea section talk, all of that.

Yeah. So then one thing about me is I'm a really good investigator. Really good. It's actually ridiculous. So I take things into my own hands because I don't think the cops are taking me seriously.

So I ended up finding information about her that other people didn't like the cops and even find like I found out that she was a runaway from years ago and they said she was a danger to her self into society. She was schizophrenic, manic depressant, bipolar and at this time it was called multi-personality syndrome.

But now it's called DID, which I think because it was really hard to diagnose multi-personality syndrome, it was something along the lines, but it was in the news. I found like an article and like the fact that they didn't find any of this is crazy. Um, I didn't, and what's makes us even wilder is that she, I found out I found a picture of her where she was in a picture with somebody that I knew from middle school.

“So I had to remember where did I know this girl from middle school?”

I don't think she went to school with us, but she lived in Chandler, like where do I know her from? And it was from one of my ex-boyfriends Chris. He had dated her. So now I'm calling Chris Chris, what was that girl's name?

This is her picture. Oh, that's Marty. Okay, where does Marty live? She lives in Chandler. Okay.

Can I have a number? Can I have her Facebook? Like, he gets me her information. I call her and I just loaded all on her. I know you don't know me, but something happened.

There's a girl in the picture with your her name is Cassandra Turuga. I think she tried to hurt me. Can you please help me? Like, how do you know this girl? And she was like, what happened?

And I was like, I think she came to my house with butcher knives. I'm kind of word vomiting. Yeah. That's my cousin. And I'm like, you're cousin.

She goes, that is my cousin. And I'm like, okay, I'm so sorry. Like, now I feel like I just stepped into a territory. Like where I'm talking to family and like that can't be good.

“But she was like, no, she's like, I believe you.”

And I was like, wait, why? She goes, I believe you. And I was like, why? She goes because Cassandra is not like mentally.

First off, she's not like a mentally stable person.

She also has a lot of things in her life. That happened. She kind of, she didn't really go into detail. She just said, like, I believe you. And she goes, I go, does she actually have a sister that lives out here?

She goes, no, she does. She's like, but the sister is out of the country right now. So she has no idea what's going on. So the sister hasn't been, oh, then I said, does she have a brother? Yeah, she has a brother, but he doesn't live here.

What do you mean he doesn't live here? She got dropped off by her brother.

Who was it that dropped her off? Right. Because my brother saw a man in the truck in the van. Oh, the van. The white van.

Yeah. But all of these things where I was kind of trying to understand and not really knowing what was happening, then I give all the information to the cops. I give them bodies. Phone number.

I give them the sister's address. I give them everything.

“And they're like, how, how did you find all of this?”

I don't know. I don't know. I did a little research. Thank you. Yeah.

I'm like, I don't know a quick, you know, Google search. Yeah. Gosh. So then what have was she ever arrested? No.

After that, I actually got brought down to the police station and they asked me if I would be willing to call her, because at this point, they said they don't, no one's explained to her that we found the butcher. She isn't know any of this. So we were a step ahead of her.

Now they're starting to believe me. Yeah. So now they're like, can you come down to the police station and we put a wire on you and we'll have you call and pretend like you have no idea what's going on. And we need you to get her to admit that she was in your room before the fire started.

And I'm like, OK. And I'm like, do I, like, do I have to? I feel like this would really help our investigation, like, she, I think she'll trust you and I'm like, OK, so I get brought down to the station. They hook me up and they have me call.

So I call and I'm like, hey, Cassandra, she's like, hi, and I'm like, what happened the other night? How are you feeling?

“I heard you went to the hospital, like, are you OK?”

And she was like, oh, yeah, I'm fine. And I was like, OK, she's like, what about you? And I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm good. The contractions stopped.

I said, you know, I was just more worried about you. And I was like, this whole thing is crazy. And they're like, yeah, they wrote down questions for me to ask, which are all like in the police report, which I found. It's like all these questions that they wanted me to ask.

And so I had, I was supposed to narrow down her being in the room alone. So then I had to go into, like, this is crazy. Like, how did that fire start? I don't know how that fire started. Then I was like, they told me that you said we were smoking weed in my room.

Like, that's a, like, we weren't smoking weed.

She goes, I would never say that.

And I'm like, OK, and I'm like, well, you were in the room, though, right? Like, before the fire started, like, you were physically there by yourself. And then she was like, yeah, and then all of a sudden you hear, don't talk to them. Like, a man's voice, get off the phone and then click, click, oh, wow. And then that was it.

That was the last time I ever talked to her, but I was able to give them, like, they were able at least get that to, I think, to kind of not put me, because she said that we were smoking weed and that we asked in, like, my closet or something. And I'm like, girl, I'm in the pregnant line. Yeah.

So that's what she told them.

“And that's why they were questioning me about it.”

And so I just had to get them to, like, understand that it wasn't me. So after that, I end up going into labor. I find out I have pre-eclampsia and I am in the hospital for, like, seven days. My room is shut, like, basically, I'm put down as Jane Doe, police are outside my room. Nobody can come in unless they have, like, a special code.

And then they knew that there was such a danger and a risk there. Why was it she arrested for anything? So they couldn't find her after she left the hospital. Nobody knew where she was at. Okay.

So nobody could find out where she was. The sister was in different countries. Different country, nobody knew. And so, and I remember when I went into the hospital, I didn't talk to the cops at all.

Like, there was a cop station outside of, like, my door, but, like, I never, I never talked

to anybody. And I think it was just best that way. I ended up going through a really traumatic birth, like, I ended with the, you know, I ended up, like, bleeding out and passed out in the bathroom and a puddle of my own blood. Oh my gosh.

And I had to have, like, a blood transfusion and Ryland, you know, run, Ryland was, like, when I was giving birth to him, like, he was facing the opposite way. So his heart rate was dropped, like, it was a very, honestly traumatic birth. And they were trying really hard not to give me a c-section because of what I went through. Yeah.

But, like, we both came out with infections. My water broke too early. Like, there's a lot. So yeah, I was a lot on my body and on my, myself. So by the time I gave birth, it was February 26th, so 10 days from the incident, I was released

from the hospital about four or five days later. So I went home and I just had nightmares, like, for days, like, and I, I didn't leave my house. Like, I stayed literally on a couch for, like, days and days and days because I was scared. I was terrified. Now I have this baby that she wanted, like, what's going to happen?

And then I think it was March 4th, I think it was March 4th or March 5th. And the middle of the night, it was like midnight. My mom came into my room and she was waking me up. And I was, like, what? She was like, it's Detective Turner.

And I was like, okay, so I get on the phone and she goes, we have her and I'm like, what? So then I start to wake up and I'm like, what do you mean? She's like, we have her and I'm like, Cassandra and she's like, yes, and she's like, we have the confession. She confessed everything.

She was, she was going to kill you, performacy section.

The fire was never meant to be a part of this, but it played a role.

So like, when she couldn't kill you the first time because you turned around, she was hoping that the fire was going to like overcome you with smoke and you would pass out. And then she'd be able to perform the C section and let the body burn with all of the evidence.

It was a very diabolical plan, specifically because the fire was never meant to be a part

of it. She just was trying to improvise at that point. She was trying to improvise. What was it like hearing that and getting the validation but also hearing the details of what she was planning?

I slept for the first time that night. Wow. And it was a really, I felt like I wasn't crazy because I felt like everybody thought I was crazy. I'll be quite honest with you.

My not so close friends, like people just acquaintances that were finding out. Thought I was attention-seeking, thought I was lying. I had family members that didn't even check on me, didn't care, thought I was just exaggerating the whole thing. So there was a moment where I wondered like am I, and as time goes by, I was like, it wasn't

really that bad. Right.

“We come a little bit de-sensitized to it and you look back and you don't remember that feeling”

in the moment. So it's easy to be like, was I overreacting, maybe I was, yeah, I totally understand what you mean. So then the next day it came out on the news nationwide. And that's when all the, I'm sorry, is came.

That's when all the, I'm so sorry I didn't believe you, I'm sorry that I wasn't there for you. I'm sorry that you went through this alone, like, in the other word, her confession. Unfortunately, the first time I ever heard it was on the ID channel and they didn't tell me.

So when I aired, that was my first time ever hearing her confession and I, I vomited

because I had never, nobody ever had ever given me the opportunity to listen to it.

My case was handled, it was very, it was handled very incorrectly. I didn't get a lot of tools, I didn't get anything. So it was, I felt like when I went and heard it on the ID channel though, it was very eerie and it's also like the ID channel, you know, puts like a little bit of dramatic, like a music behind it and stuff, but I remember sitting there watching the ID channel of like

the episode and then all of a sudden, it goes, they play actors in it and stuff, it was called frontomies and so like it was like actors, actresses that are playing like me and Cassandra and then all of a sudden at the end it says actual footage and like it's her voice and she's like, I was just going to stab her just a couple of times.

“I wasn't trying to kill, but if that's what I had to do, then yeah, I guess I was going”

to have to. Wow. Oh my god. So, but then the most frustrating part in all of this, she didn't end up getting charged with attempted murder correct. That is correct. And can you explain why that happened? So, despite a confession, the knives, the equipment, like everything, finger prints, finger prints, everything. She was not charged with attempted murder. Also, one thing I did want to say was the only reason they caught her, so I did find out

the only reason they caught her was because Marty called the sister when she came back into the country and said you need to, I need to tell you what's been happening since you've been gone. And when her sister heard, she called 911 and said come get my sister. She's here at the house. Good. So, that the sister was the reason why I was like, why we were able to even get her. Now, during the whole legal process, it was, I don't remember

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called and stated that they wanted to talk about a plea bargain. And I was like, "Wait, why?" I was like, "What? Why would you do that?" She had a confession. You had this. So you had to do a plea bargain. Exactly. I was like, "I don't get it. Why is this not a strong enough case?" And they said, "Well, our biggest part of the case was the confession." And I was like, "Okay." And they were like, "The cops in it, reader her Miranda rights

at the time of her confession." So that has been thrown out. And as of right now, it's not illegal to carry two butcher knives in the state of Arizona. You can care. I said, "So I can walk down the street with knives and nobody was saying they said technically yes." So because

the cops didn't do their job with reading her, the Miranda rights, the confession is basically

null-envoyed. There's no other evidence that proves that there was attempted murder happening. There was, yeah, the fire incident, but you can't use her confession. She's probably not going to reconfess. I would imagine. And so what were they able to charge her with, Arson? They scared

“me into a plea bargain, though, because they said, "We can go to trial if that's what you want."”

They said, "But they were able to show the confession." They said, "There's a very high chance that she'll walk." They said, "So what we're presenting to you is seven and a half years. Technically eight and a half with her time served because she's been in there for a year. But we're going to, they did give me the option. They said, "We're going to give you the option if you want to send her to prison or if you want to send her to Ash," which is called the Arizona State Hospital.

Okay. And so they gave me a few days to think about it. And I came back with my decision. And it was a really tough one. But at this point, I had been presented that she was mentally ill, that she had all these different things going on. And I knew that one day she would get out and I didn't want her to reoffend to anybody. So I wanted her to get the help that she needed. So when I came back, I said, "I want to send her to Ash so that she can get the proper medication, get her life back

and when she gets released, she doesn't do this to anybody again." So that's where I center. I have to say I am blown away by the way you're able to rationalize things and think things through at such a young age. Honestly, it's like making me emotional thinking about it. No, because even how you had said when you had found out you were pregnant, that within 24 hours you decided you wanted to get clean and be on a good path and be there for your child. And then now

having the compassion for somebody and their mental well-being and being like, "I'd rather her not reoffend in the future." Whereas if it were me, even still today, I'd probably like throw her in prison. The hardest one you possibly could put her in alcohol for sure. I was like, "They're a way to keep." But to be that young and have such compassion to be like, "I don't want her to reoffend and I want her to get the help that she needs." That is so incredibly big of

“you. It really is. And if you're not, you should absolutely be proud of yourself for that”

because I don't think a lot of people would have made that choice. I found that out a lot on social media where people are like, "You're not saying that I'm too nice because they didn't say that. They said the same thing that you said." Like the fact that you were that age and even going through

somebody else. You're not even thinking about yourself and your own vindication and the consequences

for what she did to you, but you're thinking, "You're forward thinking being like, "I don't want somebody else to go through this." And that is a huge, huge thing. Thank you. I really appreciate that. That's something that I really do. And it's really nice hearing someone say that just because like when I go to a lot of places, I don't really talk about it too much. So thank you. I appreciate that. It was, it was, I felt proud about that moment. I was able to go to court after and like

they gave me the opportunity to like talk on my own behalf and I wrote this long letter and I

“remember it took me forever to talk because I kept crying. Every single time I, I, I, I, I, you know,”

studied that letter, you know, when you're going to go watch your perpetrator get, you know, sentence, you're like, "Okay, let me just, you know, read this to everybody, my fit, my family, my mom, my dad, everybody." And I was like, "Yes, I got this." The minute I stepped in that courtroom, it was like, "Uh, of course." Yeah, it was like all the emotions came back. Did you see her? I did see her. I read her, what I stated at the very end, I stated, you know,

that I forgave her because I don't want to have hatred in my heart. I don't want to live my life hating somebody for somebody that was mentally ill or somebody that made a mistake. And you know, I said, like, you know, I don't like you. I don't like you. Every bone in my body tells me to hate you. And I said, "But I refuse to allow myself to have hatred." And I said, "I hope that you take what I'm doing to you by sending you to ash." I hope you remember in the back of your mind when you're released,

that I did that, that I should compassion and love and understanding and forgiveness because you're not going to see that from a lot of people. So like, take that and please do better. And I remember the judge looking at her and telling her, like, Cassandra, this is now your opportunity to talk, do you have anything that you want to say to this young woman? And she, she stood up, looked at me, looked at the judge and said, "No, you're on her and sat back down." You're like, I take it all back.

Sorry, Max. I would have done it. I would have done it. I would have done it. Fuck that. Let's take that all back. I remember, like, my brain was like, are you for real? The judge even said again, Cassandra, I mean, I repeat this one more time. This is your last time you will ever see this woman. Do you have anything that you want to say? No. Wow. It was in the way that she did it, dude. It was so,

“it was the most eerie moment I think, even more than her confession. It was the, it was the”

smirk. Yeah. It was no remorse. No remorse. And that made me feel like, that made me feel like shit because I was just like, I just poured my heart out. I just poured my heart out to you. I, I can't believe that. Oh my God. So I remember walking out of there, I was just like, I, I'm so happy this is over, but like, this is crazy. And I remember giving my, like, giving, I remember being outside the news reporter's route there. It was like lights flashing everywhere. And they were like, what did you

say? What did you do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, hey, go, here's the letter. Analyze it. Take video what you want to do. What you want to do? What you want to do with it? This is what I said. I'm done. We're, we're done. I'm happy this is over. I'm going to go be a mom to my son. And hopefully she gets better. And like that was the, that was like the end of it, any of the most part. Yeah. Until I went back home, because Florence is like a good hour away from us.

So that's like where all this was done. I live in Maricopa. And so when I got back home, like news reporters were outside of my house, like everybody wanted to have an interview with Florence. And I just stayed isolated for like, after like two weeks, it kind of just like slow, everybody kind of left me alone. So she went to ash for what was it? Seven and a half more years. Yes. So her date of released, she went February, something. I don't remember what it was,

but her release was August, like first or something, which equaled like seven and a half years from

that sentence. So technically, technically eight and a half though, because she served the one year. And what year was that? 2011 is when it happened. She's out. She's been out. She's been out.

“She's been out. Have you had, had you know anything about where she's out, what she's doing?”

I went to her release. Oh, okay. And what was that like? That was very interesting. I wasn't going to go. I was in 2019. I had like forgotten that like she was going to be released. I became a surrogate. So oh my gosh. Yes. That's incredible. Thank you. I really wanted to find some sense of like purpose of like me allowing somebody like to have a felt buried therapeutic. I had originally done it because one of my best friends couldn't have a baby. And I watched or

have miscarriage after miscarriage and it broke my heart. So we always joked around that like,

after I was done having kids. I'd be her surrogate. She ended up having a baby. It was a man. It wasn't her. After I was in having my own kids, I was like, I still want to do this. Like I feel like this would be such a great purpose in life. I like to be able to give somebody something that they can't have because remember, I'm under the returns that Cassandra can't have. Like she hadn't, they tried giving me the story that she had like hysterical pregnancies and she couldn't have

painted this whole picture that like she was a woman who just couldn't have a baby and just

lingered on to me and thought I was carrying her. So I was like, you know, there's women out here that can't have their own children. Like if I could have a baby for somebody with their DNA and give it to them, like, I don't know. Like it feels like a sense of healing. And so I did it. And I ended up being pregnant. And so I wasn't going to, I was pregnant with a serrigacy baby. When you were pregnant at her release, oh my gosh. Yes. And I didn't, I didn't anticipate that happening

because we had failed to like a transfer prior. So I should have like probably had given birth at that time. But instead I was going through the pregnancy. And so I told myself I wasn't going to go. I literally called me, do you want to come? No, I don't want to go. I'll listen. But then three days before I had decided that like, no, that's not who I am. Like that's not who I am.

I'm going to go there. This is going to be a sense of empowerment. This is me taking my story back.

This is me taking everything back. And like, owner, I don't know. I felt like a certain way. Like I had to be there. So three days prior, I called them. And I was, I don't know who I called. But I was like, I'm going, I'm going to bring my dad and my husband and like we're all going to go. And so we went. We went to ash. It looked like a prison. It was kind of scary. There was a, it was kind of scary. And there would be quite honest because there's a lot of mental mental, I don't want to say,

mentally and say, well, yeah, it would be mentally unstable and struggling people. Absolutely. So that is a scary situation to be in. It is because like I was walking by and like, they were outside and like, I could tell they were having like some kind of like recess area. And it was just, it was scary. So when I got in there, it was just like a prison that like you go in there, you know, they take your bags, you get, you know, they check you and everything.

And then you sit in this little courtroom and you can hear everybody's case because there's a bunch of people that have these cases that day. So then Cassandra's because this lady who's been like helping me and propping me through everything comes and sits next to me. I don't remember her name, but she was there during the trial. So she had known me and like, I just a part of it.

“She was a part of it. So she came there and she was like, you know, do you want to speak?”

Like, you don't have to. You can, you know, you can just watch like whatever you want. And I was like, no, I came here. I want to speak. And I don't know what I'm going to say. I went there with nothing. Like, no paper just went there to pour my heart out. And to essentially, I wanted in ash the way that it works is like, if they believe she's still mentally unstable, they can keep her. And I don't believe that she was mentally stable. Every six months they

in ash, they do a reporting where they do like, they bring her upon the board. And she's supposed to be presented with what medication she has. If it's working, what's not working, I stay on top of all of those. So every six months, I get all that stuff. And not once has it ever lasted longer than like 15 seconds. Wow. Because she's mentally not stable. Oh my God. So the goal was that if she was, if they ever did deem that she was mentally stable within her sentencing, she would spend the

rest of it in prison. That was our, our plea agreement. So every time six months came, she would go upon the board. They say she's mentally unstable. None of the medications working. Let's try something different. So that kept happening, kept happening. And then magically, like two months before her release, she's magically better. And I was like, no, she is not better. You can't, like, that is a bullshit. Like, I'm not going to, you're not going to tell me that

she's better. She's not. Like, just three months ago, you guys deemed it. Or was it speaking, being unwell the whole time so that she wouldn't have to spend the remainder of her sentence in

“prison. Exactly. Yeah. That's what I'm committed. Very manipulative. So I went there with like,”

no, I'm not here to cry. I'm here to fight because I'm not going to be damned if she's going to not hear what I have to say. And I'm not going to be, and I'll be damned if I'm not going to fight from mine and my son safety. Yep. So I went there and I was, I was pissed. So I went upon, I was mad,

and then I looked at her and I felt like a gummy bear. I was like, no, no. So I had to take a second

turnaround. I was like, can I please not look at the, like, look at my perpetrator. Can I please turn around? So like, I turned around and talked. And then when in the middle of me talking, I don't remember exactly what I said, but I was very passionate, very passionate when I felt comfortable enough than I turned around. And I said, I'm not scared of you. And I want you to realize that. I am not scared of you, but I have a sudden that I need a protect and like what you did is not okay.

And you sitting there thinking that you're better when you're not is not okay. Like, you know, you may have everybody else fooled, but you don't have me fooled. And I looked at the, you know, the people, like the panel of a, I don't know what they're called because it wouldn't, there was like five or six of them to people who are responsible for the decision. Yes. And I remember looking at them and I said, like, I looked at the woman and I said, could you imagine being pregnant and I was having your baby cut out

of you? Like, could you imagine this? I said, but the thing is is that she's not in there for that. She's in there for arson. But it did matter. Like that matter. It's about it. And so I do remember when they're about to make their decision, the lady, like they all started like making their decisions.

“And the lady stood up and she goes, did you guys all not hear what this young woman has said?”

Did you guys not see how much courage she had to stand in front of us and say this? I don't agree. I'm calling a recess. We need to go to the back and talk. Oh my gosh. It was so crazy. The lady that I was

She goes, they've never went to the back to go talk or, you know, whatever. And so they did like a 30 minute

“recess and I remember going into the bathroom and I was like about to vomit and I had a full”

on panic attack. Like I couldn't breathe. I was literally like holding onto the sink and I remember screaming under the top of my lungs because it just everything hurt. Everything hurt inside of me. And I was pregnant. I was pregnant too. So it was just like a whole surreal moment. And when I went back in, she was outvoted. And she still fought for me, though. So they were lately released her with nothing. Just go out, live your life, figure out your life.

Yeah, figure out your life. No, nothing. Like nobody's going to check on you. Nobody's going to make sure you're taking your medication. But the lady, whoever it was, that lady was, she was able to get them to at least allow for that for somebody to check on her. She had like, now she had stipulations when she got out. Like that she had to go to some type of counseling. And they had to make sure she was taking her medication, which was only going to go on for a year.

But it was better than nothing. She had fought as hard as she could have fought for me. And that meant a lot. And then Cassandra's out right now. And you don't know what she's doing or where she's at. You follow it along closely to try to like keep tabs on her. People have told me things about her. So she lives like an hour away for me. That's way too close for comfort. Way too close for comfort. She lives like very, very close to like my brother-in-law. Like I'm not

even like six or seven minutes away from my gosh. And I know where she works. Like I know all these certain things about her. But I just don't like, I don't poke the bear. I don't tell people where she is. I don't, I just feel like it's because like when I started to become more public on like, you know, TikTok and Instagram and telling my story and explaining things, it got kind of scary because I don't want her to try to come back after me. I kind of like let me just stay in my bubble. You stay

away for me. I'm living my life. Exactly. And I never say anything bad. And I always say that like I'm

not going to, I'm not going to say anything bad about her. All I'm going to do is tell you guys the truth about what happened because this is not her story. This is mine. And I am my blood to take control

“of my own story and tell it how I, how it did happen. Not even how I think it happened. It happened like this.”

Yeah. And so you know, I don't want, she could be mad about it. But you know, she hasn't came up to me. She's had like family members have and her family members have come to you. Her husband's family members because they didn't, she got married. And that's a whole other dynamic. Like I heard that she got married. She had a baby. The baby got taken away by CPS. And the family members all found me because she had not told her husband or any of their family that she was an

ash for what she was in there for. So things start when I started becoming more public. They were like, is this true? And I'm like, it's true. And I said, they're like, can you talk to her husband? I said, absolutely not. Yeah. Now I will not do that. I said, if her husband wants to watch my stuff, which I'm sure she has watched. Yep. He is more than welcome to get the story. Exactly. But I will not talk. And I will not tell him anything because I will not be the reason why anything happens

in her life. This is her consequences of what she did. And I don't want to be involved. I don't know if you ever followed in 2020. Do you remember when like Sabar Children's came out? So hashtag Sabar Children's came out right before that happened. I had gone to the release. And then I decided, you know what? I don't know anything about my case. I don't know nothing about it.

I never wanted to. I do remember though. I did an article within Maricopa, which is just like my

local like newspaper. And I remember like I was telling like we just did like a brief article when the ID channel was coming out. And he had grabbed the police report in some of the interrogation tapes. And he had told me and he gave it to me the police report and said,

“when you're ready one day, you should read this. He says, because I think you were lied to.”

He says, I don't think you know your story the way that you think you know it. And I was like, excuse me? Like I was insulted. Like what do you mean? I don't know my story. He's like, I wrote this how you wanted. He said, but I want you to know like there's stuff in here that you don't know about. And you want to know what I did with it? I shredded it. Oh my God. I didn't want to know. Yeah. But that always stayed with me. So when she got released, it brought all those wounds back up.

And I was like, you know what? I'm ready. Like I feel like I meant I just watched her get released. Like I feel like I'm in a point and like time my life where I can do this. Yeah. So I went down to the police station. I grabbed everything. I said, I want everything on my case. I want the police report. I want the interrogation tapes. I want anything you can give me to get me to understand. So they released everything to me. And I went down. It was her confession

car. So I drove around my town for three hours. Oh my God. Listening to her talk about what she had like just like obviously they asked you know certain questions. But she like bullshit it through the whole thing for a very long time. And so after like when it gets down to like the last like 45 minutes or like an hour, she thought like they're pissed like the detective then fire investigator they're like listen, we don't give a fuck what happens to you. Like you want to keep playing games.

You don't want to say what's going on. Like that's fine. Like we're just going to book you right now. You can deal with like everybody else later. And then she decides to start talking. So when they start getting her to talk, she starts talking about you know how she is a part of a gang. And how she was involved with the gang leader. His name was I forgot his name. It's in the police

“report. I think it might be Edward. Edwin was never her husband. All of that was a lie. It was a guy”

that she used to like at high school. But he was never real. But who was the people that she was talking

to all the time? She was talking to the sky, the gang leader. They asked how did you meet Angelic? Like how did you guys, how did you come about with Angelic being the person that you wanted to choose to do this for? Like to to killer. And she goes, well Hannah, she goes, well what do you mean? She's like Hannah introduced us. And I told him I met this girl. She's a pregnant person out here. And he said that she would be perfect that you know for me to become friends with her. And when

the time was right, we would we would execute our plan. And the way she talks about it though in this confession is like we normally like she talks about like they've done this before. She talks about how much money she would get for it. She talks about how there was a buyer waiting across the border in Mexico for them. This wasn't about her trying to steal your child for herself because she was going through something mentally and thought either your baby was hers or she was so

devastated that she couldn't have her own child. It was strictly a transaction. It was a transaction. She was going to get paid and she was going to stay in Mexico and not come back. Wow.

“And the thought when I heard that like I have a recording on my phone of it and I remember like when”

I'm recording I'm recording it for my best friend because like when I I can certain parts I would record certain things. She's like do you want me to sit with you and I'm like no I need to do this by myself like let me be by myself but I'll record things for you. And I'm sitting there and I'm listening to it and you can see like you see like my CD player like my car and you see my hands start to shaking you see me start you hear me start to cry because like it's so it's so just like

launch a lot like I was nothing all I was was a transaction all I was you know you're the carrier. I was the carrier and she just kind of just goes into detail like she goes into just straight detail about everything just how how they were going to do it the fire and we'll happen to fire that was

never even a part of the plan like she that just happened but it makes sense because it all aligns

in together you know you got to think when she wanted me to leave to go to the park so supposedly he was in the van waiting at the park for me they were hoping that they could take me back to the house and do it there. The goal was not to have the sea section performed in my house but no she had to keep improvising because I wasn't giving up I wasn't leaving the house when I turned around when she said three that phone ringing immediately he was watching when she said hey come get us

without even hesitation of who this is that was him. It was planned they had been treated together so now looking back at everything in hindsight your son is 15 now he's 15 and you have three his children. Yes how old are they? So Ryland's 15 mathematics is 10 and Scarlet's eight okay and how does he know anything about your story? Yes so Ryland's gone on a lot of interviews with me as a baby so like we did like the doctor Phil show and then we did the ID channel so he was a

part of both of those things but he was a baby when I went to the release he would have been eight and a half so he was eight and a half when she was released and I sat down that day when I came back home from the release and I told him everything and I said I'm not telling you this to scare you I'm telling you this because I want you to be protected and I want you to not be naive and I want you to understand that there was a bad woman out here who wanted to take you. I'm not

well I'm not sure why she wanted to take you but there was a reason I showed him her picture I went to the school gave printed out the picture. I took time off a work for about three months because I changed our routines I wanted to make sure that she I didn't have a routine that she could follow. You know Dr. Phil told me that I didn't have to worry about her ever coming back after

“me because she wanted a newborn but like yeah because he knows so I was like that's what you always”

told me that's what people always told me like why are you scared? He wanted she wanted a newborn

retaliation anything it could be just to ruin your life because she thinks you ruined her is now it could be a million reasons. It's not you know people call me naive like it's like an insult I'm not insulted that I'm naive but you're not going to see me being naive about the same the same situation twice. Like we're allowed to grow that's what was humans were meant to grow were meant to learn you know go through hardship and learn from that and grow from it and so this is me growing from

I mean we didn't move her anything but like we you know I did leave Maricopa for about six or seven years and then I ended up back in Maricopa so it was just changing everything being more visual being more you know under like realizing our surroundings and her butt I about a year so I felt really good and we weren't bothered and so I do feel like now I feel a lot better but I'm still the same way yeah I still don't keep my eyes off of things especially with me being public you know

I don't want I feel like my story is very unique um fetal introduction is something that doesn't happen often but we learn from other people's mistakes and we learn from things that they've gone through and so I'm not going to stop talking about the situation. It's your story it's yours to tell

“you shouldn't ever feel like you need to stop talking about it and how has that journey been like”

for you because you have gone on Dr. Phil you've done interviews you have a very big presence and growing presence on TikTok and social media where you're sharing your story do you feel like that has been empowering for you and that it's been received well and how has that entire situation been

for you? At first on TikTok it was very scary people started to recognize me from the Dr. Phil

show and that's kind of how that transpired and that's when I decided to take my story back and kind of give an explanation and kind of break everything down for people because the Dr. Phil showed did not show that um so now it feels empowering because I feel like I'm finally being able to take my story back from what other people have said about me the Dr. Phil show I feel like made me feel made me feel like I was stupid the ID channel wasn't it wasn't bad but it didn't give the facts it didn't

it gave lies to like unfortunately like when you do documentaries and things like that people

“I think you'll need to realize that sometimes it's not the truth sometimes there's things that aren't”

truthful in it and so this was my first time to actually say it from my own mouth. Now I got a lot of backlash for a lot of times people kept telling me to like stop feeling sorry for myself and in your mind what it's it's it's it's the internet it's going to trust me yeah so I stopped talking

about it for a little bit like I never went on podcast I never did anything else and then in

2023 I had I think I went on my first true crime podcast which was like the murder diaries and that was my first time ever like doing something with like true crime and then I started to get more involved into true crime just like listening to other people's stories and I started to realize I wasn't alone yeah I started to realize my biggest thing that I always stayed is that trauma is trauma no matter how big or how small like there's no reason to compare like my story with somebody else

like we all go through the same thing we all go through PTSD we all can relate we all dissociate like it just felt like I finally stepped into this world where I wasn't alone and I still wasn't ready to like venture off and talk to like these other people but I felt I felt good so then I started to learn to do things like and talk to other like talk to you do podcasts and then I decided for the then I decided you know what I know it's been a couple of years and people criticized me and

said I was stupid but I'm gonna tell my story with confidence yeah and that's when I did my full like I have a story time button on my TikTok it's very long it's like 10 minutes like it's like seven 10 minute videos but it's basically what you and I talked about like yeah I break everything down and it felt so empowering it felt so good it felt good to finally like be able to talk about like everything and the biggest part was the confidence that it took like so I feel I feel

amazing about it and I feel like I'm helping other people I have you know sometimes I feel like

maybe I shouldn't talk about it because people are like okay it happened to you get over it now like it's been years you don't know how many times I hear that and sometimes it gets in my head or I'm like maybe I should stop talking about like you go through something similar to this

“and then you tell me when you want to stop talking about it yeah give me a break well and I think”

people need to realize that like I didn't start talking about it until 2020 and that's almost 10 years after my trauma like and if you talk to a lot of survivors a lot of them do the same thing they don't talk for a while because they can't it takes a while to go through therapy to understand what happened to you to break everything down and then also wanting to talk you don't usually find survivors that go through the trauma and they're like okay let's go yeah like let's go

and talk about it just like how I am right now they don't do that so I am just really happy like that I was able just to fully like take my story back and talk about it I met some friends like Tara I've met Tara she really helped me with building my confidence in talking to podcast and I recently just did a documentary for the Doctor Phil and all these things like I feel like Tara's like my big sister she guides me and helps me and it's just it's just really nice what do you

hope that people take away when they hear your story I hope they take away the intuition part I hope that they understand that because as young not even just young women like as just young people on life like we tend to want to run away from like whatever that voice inside of our head is telling us or we don't understand what it is because I didn't understand I'm very thankful that like I listened but

that I could have died and this could have you know happened to me so I always want people to

“take away the intuition and just trusting yourself and learning to be more intuitive with yourself”

but I also want other people and young I want young women to understand what this crime is because unfortunately when it happened to me it wasn't very common and ever since 2011 there's more cases that have happened you know you have Michelle you have Marlene is at Marlene Reagan all of them like you know they're different our stories are different but they're also very it's very alive and you know it's just that I don't want to see this happen it

it literally breaks my heart when I see this happening because it's just like I feel like these women could have been saved and we're not talking about this crime that much because it's not common yeah and you know like when you have like sexual abuse or you have like you know domestic violence like you have this whole circle of people that unfortunately it's so sad that it's happened to so many people but there's this larger circle there's not that with fetal

duction yeah and I don't want there to be right please don't join this club yeah I don't want you to be a part of this club but please like take away from the fact of making friends when

“you're pregnant being aware when you're pregnant because honestly like I think there was some”

type of study done that said like the number one cause of death in the U.S. to pregnant women was was murder or was like something something something along the lines of that and it wasn't just about fetal abduction it was about like you know husband's at murder you know their pregnant wives all of that like we're in such a vulnerable state at that moment and we're a target so I just want women to understand that yeah well thank you so much for being here and for sharing

your story truly I know that it was longer than we initially had plans that I wrote no please I'm grateful thank you so much for sharing all of that I know that everybody listening to has been that is fascinated and loves hearing your story too so I appreciate it thank you thank you for having me yes thank you so I'm going to put all of your socials everything in the episode description and the show notes so people can follow along with your story or journey they can

“go out your story time but thank you so much for being here thank you any angelic story is one that is”

both terrifying and also incredibly powerful it's a reminder for all of us that sometimes danger can

come from the people that we trust the most and again another reminder that our instincts are there for a reason I've said this before and I know it may be sounds lame or cliche but you're intuition and you're gut it's there as your first line of defense it's there to protect you it's there to tell you when something's wrong so when you listen to that gut feeling it quite literally can save your life her story is also an incredible story about survival I mean angelic lived through something that

very few people could even imagine no less survive and get through and today she's using her voice to raise awareness about fetal abduction cases and help others who God forbid her in that situation recognize the warning signs far too often are we hearing about cases where their space book market exchanges or sales and people befriending them and that's the plan all along so by raising awareness hopefully it will help curb future fetal abduction cases in the future now really quickly before we

wrap this episode up I do want to just say this there is a lot more that is tied into this case I'm talking video clips clips of angelic hearing the confession for the first time videos documents court filings so much I was going to put it throughout this episode but I really did not want to break up the interview I felt like I wanted angelic to be able to share her story uninterrupted I wanted it to be a clear experience for all of you so what we've done is something

that we've never done before but depending on how you like it we may do this for many cases or all

cases in the future but I want to head and put our entire angelic case folder over on Patreon where that way you can see all of the research all the court filings all of the videos the clips that she shared with us first hand that we didn't put into this episode again the confession things like that where it just gives you a little bit more of a deeper look and deeper understanding of this case completely optional of course but it's for those of you who want to take it a little

bit further a little bit more behind the scenes behind the research into the case folder itself how we gather all of our research and of course some of those video clips and the material that is tied to this case so it just helps paint a folder picture for those of you who are you know true crime enthusiasts like myself that want to know every single detail involved in a case so all of that is the whole case folder is over on patreon right now patreon.com/anetelease

you can get access and once you're over there please let me know if you want us to start doing that for the majority of our cases as you know we collect so much information as we're building an episode between the FOIA request the outreach the interviews court filings whatever it may be

want to sleuth a little bit and want to look into it yourselves and want to see some of this stuff

“first hand and it's just again a little bit of a way to go beyond the episode so go ahead take a look”

it's up now and let me know if you want us to start doing that for other cases but anyway back

to what I was saying regarding Angelique so I just want to thank Angelique again for sharing her

“story with us and thank all of you guys for listening and if you want to learn more about Angelique”

her story the great work that she's doing I will include all of her information in the show notes

below but thank you so much for listening until the next one be nice don't kill people stay off a Facebook marketplace and just be careful with who you trust all right bye