398: Hantavirus Hell: The Cruise Ship & Is it Spreading?

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I'm back to an all-new episode of Seriously With Me, Annie Elise. Here, not to talk about a case with you today. But to talk about something else. Now, if you're watching this or listening to this,

you may be finding yourself asking yourself the same question that you did last Friday of Annie. Well, what's going on? You usually release episodes only every Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday. It's Friday.

What the hell are you doing here? Well, like last week, we've got a bonus episode for you today, I have got a bonus episode for you today. And the reason why is because I talked about this situation a little bit in headline highlights last week.

And so many of you were sharing your opinions, sharing

what you've heard, sharing your theories, asking questions,

and not knowing enough information, asking for more. So even though it's not true crime related, it is certainly news-related. And I figured, I want to just answer all of these questions, and I want to break everything down for you.

And you know, I love timelines. I love map time. I love figuring it all out and walking you through everything in chronological order. And so you have all the information in one comprehensive episode.

And so I wanted to do that today. Now, with that being said, I will say this too. Sometimes these bonus episodes come out on days that are not Fridays. So make sure that you are either subscribed right now

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Now, let's get into why we are here together today. I'm sure that most of you have seen something on your feed about the Honda virus over the last couple of weeks. Many people are comparing it to COVID. Many are concerned about another lockdown happening.

Some people are wondering what the heck this even is, what it means are we at risk, what's happening with this cruise and the disembarkment, and like what's going on.

“Now the truth is it is something that is rapidly developing.”

With new updates coming out every single hour. In fact, I'm going to put all of the updates in here, everything we know as I mentioned. But more than likely, if you're watching the video version of this, you will see at the end of this towards the end

that I'm back on your screen when in a new outfit, wearing something new because after I get this all done and edited and tweaked, there probably will be even more updates. And I want to make sure that the moment this releases,

you have all of the up-to-date information all probably end up recording a pickup. But like I said, I just really wanted to deliver everything that we know in chronological order, so that it will be easy to update you guys

as more information surfaces. We can have it all in one place and really go from there. Now I'm going to talk about the cruise itself, the people affected the deaths, the how many people have contracted the virus,

what it means now that there are people back on American soil with the virus and what it all means,

“but what I want to start with is the most important information,”

which is what the heck the hunt of viruses, how it's transmitted, what the symptoms look like, all of it so that you can get a better understanding of the virus itself, especially as this continues to become a larger concern.

So hunt of viruses are a group of viruses that are carried by rodents, and they can cause severe disease in humans. Now globally, an estimated 100,000 to 200,000 haunt of virus infections occur every single year.

However, the majority of these cases are in Asia, particularly in China. People usually get infected through contact with infected rodents, or they're urine, or they're droppings, or saliva.

Sorry, I had to grab my no-pad. But infection with haunt of viruses can cause a range of illnesses, including severe disease and death. In the Americas, haunt of viruses can cause haunt of virus,

cardio, pulmonary syndrome, otherwise known as HPS, which that is a very severe respiratory illness, and it has a case fatality rate of up to 50%. In Europe and Asia, haunt of viruses can cause a horrible fever with renal syndrome,

which is also known otherwise as HRS. And like I just said, I grabbed my no-pad guys too, because I have so many like stats, information, blurbs, and I'm just gonna kind of be going off here and just, you know, talk through everything as I have it.

So let's talk a little bit about the incubation period.

between one and eight weeks after exposure.

This depends on the type of virus,

“and typically these symptoms include fever, headache,”

muscle aches, and some gastrointestinal symptoms, such as, you know, abpains, nausea, or vomiting. But this is what a lot of people are stuck on, because if symptoms don't begin for up to eight weeks after exposure, that obviously is a very long quarantine period,

where people are suggesting and some are mandated to stay quarantined for eight weeks to see if a symptom develops if they show signs of them, so then they can determine if they have, in fact, been infected with the virus.

So overall, let's talk through what the symptoms usually are. Just to group them more together. As I mentioned a little bit,

early symptoms can include fatigue, fever, muscle aches,

and muscle aches may be only in like the large muscle groups, thighs, hips, back, sometimes even shoulders, and about half of all HPS patients, also experience headaches, dizziness, and chills. In HPS, the disease may progress rapidly, too,

to coughing, shortness of breath, accumulation of fluid in the lungs, and even sometimes shock. In HRS, later stages may include low blood pressure, bleeding disorders, and kidney failure. Obviously, incredibly scary, some horrific symptoms as well,

“and just that's why I think a lot of people”

are fearful right now, and not even necessarily fearful, 'cause this isn't meant to fear longer, it's just to give you education, but people are curious.

They want to know more about what this is

and if they are at risk and what to look for and all of the things. So that leads me into transmission. Let's talk about how transmission occurs, because transmission of Hontavirus to humans, it occurs from contact with, like I said,

contaminated urine, droppings, or even saliva of infected rodents. Infection may also occur, although less commonly, through rodent bites, where I think normally, when we hear rodent bites, we think of rabies and things like that,

but now anything with an infected rodent from their urine, the smell of their urine, like the infected urine, their droppings, their saliva, and of course,

“saliva through a bite, that is a way of transmission.”

Activities that involve contact with rodents, such as cleaning in closed or poorly ventilated spaces or farming or forestry work or sleeping in rodent-infested areas, that, of course, increases the exposure risk. Now, here's where this now becomes more confusing,

because you're probably thinking, okay, great. Well, I'm not around any rodents. I'm not yet the likelihood of me being around an infected rodent at that is not very high. So why is everybody paranoid and freaking out

about transmission and all of that? Well, because the strain of this particular part of the Hontavirus is the Andes virus, and this is the only Hontavirus that is known to have documented human-to-human transmission.

It's airborne, which means that you can come into contact with this virus by breathing in contaminated air. Doesn't matter if you're around rodents or not. If you are near someone who is sick and has this illness, in that eight week period of incubation and all that,

and they cough or they're breathing, you can then contract the virus. So to taking that a step further, human-to-human transmission occurs through, as we know, close contact, such as sharing a bed

or intimate contact, and there's super spreader transmissions, which can take place if you are in enclosed spaces. It doesn't matter if the space is small or large. If you're in a enclosed space and you're breathing the same air, you can be transmitted through the air particles.

However, experts also believe that you can contract the virus in other ways, including touching a contaminated object and then touching your nose or mouth, eating contaminated food, or, as I said originally,

rodent bites. Now, this strain is also different from other hunt of viruses due to its ability to not only spread from person to person, but also through animal to human transmission.

The primary host of this disease virus situation is a long-tailed pygmy rice rat, a very small rodent that is common in rural areas of Argentina and Chile. Cases of this particular strain

and of the virus in itself tend to peak in the spring and summer months when rodent populations are higher, and when people are outdoors and more susceptible to exposure. There's also no proven treatment, specifically, or any sort of vaccine for hunt of virus,

or for the strain of the on-dees paris strain of it.

cardiac complications, kidney issues,

all of those things, but it's not something you can just go get a vaccine for or get a special medication for.

“It's something that you have to write out”

with support of care and hope that your body is strong enough to fight it and overcome it. Which, and I'm gonna get to this in a little bit here, as we know, unfortunately, has not been the case for some.

So now that you have a better understanding of what this virus is, how it works, the transmission, the incubation, all of those things, all the symptoms. Let's talk about the root of this, okay?

The cruise. Ocean-wide expeditions has been doing these polar expedition cruises for over 30 years.

And they're pretty much really well known

for offering this much smaller, a more intimate experience, rather than a massive commercial cruise ship. Their trips are designed to be really immersive, both on-board experiences and actual land excursions

that are built into the expedition. It's supposed to be a tight group of people. You're really interacting with one another. They encourage interaction and it's more close quarters than when you think of a carnival cruise ship.

For example, now the ship at the center of this outbreak is the M.V. Hondias, I hope I'm saying that right? I've seen a couple of different versions of how it's pronounced. But according to the company's website,

the ship is 107.6 meters long and it's considered a polar explorer vessel. The ship holds 170 passengers between 80 cabins and it maintains a 57-person crew, including one doctor.

Now what we know, we don't know the whole breakout of the 170 passengers, but we do know that 17 of the passengers are from America. I did see a stat elsewhere that said, between everybody, there were, gosh, I'm gonna price through this

up between 23 and 36 different countries represented on board

“and I can't, gosh, I can't remember that number, I should pull it.”

But just to give you an idea of how many different countries are represented to where how many different countries it will then be, the people will then disembark and be dispersed too. So in terms of the packages and why people go on these expeditions

and what they pay, prices range from $7,000 to $36,000. And the expeditions range in length from nine days to 23 nights at sea. So the passengers who are on a typical voyage of one of these expeditions are from anywhere

from their 30s to their 80s, with the majority of them being between 45 and 65 years old. Some of the planned stops along this particular cruise or expedition, whatever you wanna call it, were Antarctica, the Faulklin Islands, South Georgia Island,

Nightingale Island, Tristan, Dekanha, St. Helena, and Ascension. Now with this too, when you board the ship, there are physical health requirements that they screen you for and that you know you have to be in good health.

You must be in good overall health,

“you must be able to walk several hours per day”

because as I said, they really encourage close contact and to join most of the excursions, you have to be able to get up and down the steep gangway, all the way from the ship to the water level, so that you can then board these two inflatable zodiac boats,

they can take you to the land excursion and then return back again. The company even has a disclosure that is listed on their website that reads, quote, "Remember, "you will be traveling in remote areas

"without access to sophisticated medical facilities. "So you must not join this expedition "if you have a life-threatening condition "or need daily medical treatment."

So basically it's like, you can come on this,

if you are not like a thrill-seeker, but somebody who likes expeditions, adventures, land voyages, sites, you're in good health, you can walk, you know, don't won't require medication,

you don't have any illnesses, like you have to be in overall good health. So that tells you a little bit about the ship, the population on the ship, and the expectations of people boarding the ship.

But now I want to talk about the timeline, the outbreak, and what it now means now that that cruise has disembarked. So let's start, and I'm gonna do this in really chronological order for you, okay,

'cause I want to just like break it all down, 'cause this really all started April 1st. So the ship leaves Argentina. Then between April 5th and April 6th, the ship arrives at the sandwich islands.

Fast forward, a couple of days after that, about 10 days into the cruise itself, a 70 year old Dutch man died on board of the ship. Nearly two weeks later,

if it's just because you're isolated or how it works,

“but nearly two weeks later, his body was taken off the ship,”

and his cause of death still is under investigation. Then two days after that, two to three days after that, April 13th to 14th, the ship arrived at Tristan de Canha. The ship's GPS signal was lost, though,

on the way to its next destination. So there's some tracking between the 13th and the 14th, all the way until April 22nd and April 24th, that are not exact, and so I don't wanna cite it, exactly here, but we do know that April 22nd to the 24th,

the ship arrived at St. Helena. The ship's signal was lost again, though, when they were en route to their next destination.

So, fast forward two days to the 26th and the wife of the first victim,

she then dies in Johannesburg after collapsing at an airport in South Africa, and she was confirmed to have had a variant of the haunt of Iris. So this is the wife of the Dutch man, who died on board. What was that?

A week earlier, still cause of death unknown, even right now at the time of this recording, she was on their ship with him, or I'm sorry, I don't know she was on the ship with him, or if they had contact, no, yeah, she must have been on the ship with him.

But anyway, two weeks later, his bodies taken off and then a week later, she dies in Johannesburg after she collapsed at the airport in South Africa. And like I said, she was confirmed to have a variant of the virus.

The next day, the ship arrives at Ascension Island

and a British passenger is medically evacuated to South Africa from the ship. This passenger is tested in an intensive care unit, also in Johannesburg, and he too is confirmed to have a variant of the haunt of Iris.

Couple days go by and we now get into May, so just a couple of weeks ago, and we're gonna go all the way until now in real time. But on May 2nd, a German national died aboard the ship as well. The following day on May 3rd, the ship arrived at Cape Verde.

The next day on May 4th, the Cape Verde authorities refused to allow the ship to dock at the port of Prya. A decision that they said was to protect public health

“because at this point, all the news was happening, okay?”

People were online, people were talking about it, people were getting nervous, and so there was a question of, are they gonna allow them to dock? Are they not, there was rumors that Spain was gonna allow them in, but then they were like, no, no, no, no, we want to protect our community.

We're not gonna allow you to dock, and so this is where everything really did start to take flight in terms of conversation. The World Health Organization also confirmed that a strain of haunt of Iris was spreading aboard the ship,

with two lab confirmed cases and five more suspected cases. At this point in time too, you may have noticed if you're on TikTok or Instagram, a travel influencer named Jake posted a video from the ship. I'm gonna play that for you now.

- I normally wouldn't make a video like this, but I feel like I need to say something, so I wrote a few things down. I am currently on board the M.D. hobbyist, and what's happening right now is very real for all of us here.

We're not just a story. We're not just headlights where people, people with families, with wives, with people waiting for us at home. There's a lot of uncertainty, and that's the hardest part.

All we want right now is to feel safe, to have clarity, and to get home. So if you're seeing coverage about this,

“just remember that there are real people behind it,”

and that this isn't something happening somewhere far away. It's happening to us right now. I'll share more when I can, but for now, I just ask for your kindness and understanding. Thank you.

- So now this has gone viral. Everybody is glued to it.

Everybody is finally hearing about it,

and everybody's wondering what this means, their sphere of lockdown, their sphere of the transmission. It's highly contagious. It has this eight week period of time, in which there's incubation, like what does this mean?

So May 6th was like a mega day. Because on May 6th, the South African Department of Health confirmed that testing on infected passengers from this cruise ship showed the outbreak strain was in fact the Ande's virus.

The strain that is human to human contact, that can be transmitted through air particles, and that it's not just you being exposed to an infected rodent, that you can get this from an infected person.

Meanwhile in Switzerland, official said that a man who had traveled

became seriously ill after returning home,

and he was then hospitalized in Zurich, and was confirmed to have Hontavirus.

“It was the very first known case that was connected”

to the ship, or somebody got sick after leaving the ship, wasn't sick on the ship, but after leaving the ship. So then authorities immediately knew they needed to start tracing possible exposure contacts, flight tracing, mapping, figuring out

how many people these people have come into contact with. Also, three passengers ended up being medically evacuated from the ship after their conditions rapidly worsened, including two people who were reportedly in very serious condition.

So they were then flown to the Netherlands on a medical airbus, and ambulances were waiting for them when they landed. Around this same time, Spain's health minister, Monica Garcia, announced that the cruise ship was officially heading toward

the Canary Islands, where passengers would finally be allowed

to get off the ship. Spanish citizens and anyone showing symptoms were, however, expected to quarantine at a military base in Madrid,

“while asymptomatic passengers from other countries”

would just be sent home, which this is what I personally, I'm not a doctor, obviously I don't work at the CDC, but this is what I have is issue-ish, can't talk. This is what I have an issue with. This is May 6, okay?

The ship took off on April 1st, right? That is not eight weeks that has gone by. So it doesn't matter if they are asymptomatic. We know that there is an eight-week incubation period, and all of these people have been showing signs.

So yeah, you're saying, okay, you need quarantine

on this military base in Madrid, but if you're asymptomatic,

go ahead, there is still what? The three or four week balance in which symptoms could possibly show up, but you're going to allow them to travel to be on heavy populated airlines, to go through airports, to go to different countries,

that to me feels grossly irresponsible, and you're asking for a super spread type situation. Again, what do I know? I don't work for world health or any of those organizations, but kind of feels like common sense to me,

unless I'm just a complete bonehead. Then things became even more alarming, when world health officials confirmed that the outbreak strain was indeed on days on to virus. It wasn't just that one person had that strain,

that was the outbreak strain, which that is considered one of the deadliest forms of this disease. And as I mentioned earlier, the only known strain capable of spreading from person to person. So as investigators kept trying to figure out

where this all started, Argentine officials suggested that the outbreak may have traced back to a bird-watching excursion involving the deceased Dutch couple. Authorities believed that they may have been exposed

to infected rodents during that time because this bird-watching took place at a landfill, and it was before they ever even boarded the ship. So they're saying, okay, this Dutch couple, went to this landfill, they were bird-watching,

doing this whole excursion, they got, they became contaminated and infected because there are rodents in landfills, obviously. They maybe didn't even know that they had symptoms, because again, asymptomatic, you can go eight weeks

without a single symptom, and then they boarded the ship and then it started snowballing from there. Meanwhile, the World Health Organization also confirmed that the number of lab confirmed haunt of virus cases had climbed to five.

With three additional suspected cases, still under investigation among passengers and crew members. And in another grim update, the World Health Organization officials also confirmed that the body of one of the deceased passengers was still being kept

on board of the ship as the situation was unfolding, still just sitting there, just waiting. overnight, so still may six kind of Roland into May 7th, remember, I told you, this was a jam packed day, right?

French officials revealed that a French citizen was now being monitored as a haunt of virus "contact case" after traveling on the same flight as one of the infected crew ship passengers. Which, again, I know airplanes are all different sizes.

Some are like the big Boeing 7557, some are smaller, but if you're putting these passengers who are asymptomatic on these flights, you're, and you're again, we know it travels from person to person in closed spaces, big or small.

Your in-and-close space, regardless of their recirculating the air, you're putting so many more people at risk

“and then how are you going to gain control of this, right?”

Meanwhile, U.S. health authorities said

from the infected ship across multiple states that they have now disembarked to. Arizona, California, Georgia, Texas, also Virginia, and officials said

“that they were working to contain any possible spread”

of the virus. Fast forward the following morning, and a newly released video from a passenger ship

showed the moment that the first death was announced.

Now, in this video, and I'm going to play it for you, the captain mentions how the 62-year-old man suddenly died overnight. The doctors said that the man died from natural causes. They believed that the cause was not infectious

so that this ship should be safe. And this took place weeks earlier, this actual speech, but the video was not released until May 7th. So he also goes on to say that the death will affect some of the operations but not a ton and that death sometimes

happens at sea and that it's very sad and very tragic. But go ahead, take a listen.

“There you are. This is my side here, the four of you,”

one of my passengers, suddenly passed away last night. I tried to guess it is. It was due to natural causes, we believe, and also, whatever type of issues

we were struggling with and talked about to the not infections. So this ship is safe when it comes to that. Of course, it's a very, very sad circumstance that we will have an effect on our operations. And I'll do it.

The next day, also, May 8th now, the California Health Department said that they are monitoring one of the former passengers of the cruise ship for a potential haunt of virus infection.

And that a second California resident

is also still on board the cruise ship. Then, fast forward another day on May 9th,

“and as the situation escalated, the CDC sent out an alert”

to doctors and health departments all across the United States, warning them to stay aware of the potential for imported haunt of virus cases. All cases connected to the cruise ship outbreak. At the same time, though, officials emphasized

that the risk of this widespread transmission in the US was still considered extremely unlikely. Which again, personally, I'm not a doctor. I don't know how you can confidently say that. How can you say that widespread transmission

is extremely unlikely when you don't even have a full tracing yet. And you don't know you haven't even gone through a full eight-week period

yet at this point to know just from that first batch of people

on the cruise ship, what percentage ended up being infected and what percentage weren't? And then tracking where those infected ones went like, how can you confidently say that? Meanwhile, officials from the Canary Islands regional government

announced that all passengers aboard the cruise ship were expected to begin evacuating from the ship within the next 24 hours, which in another major update and all of that, the CDC confirmed that the US government did not plan to quarantine any of the American passengers

returning from the cruise ship once they arrived in Nebraska for disembarkment. And that has pissed off a lot of people, especially, you know, as people are now filtering into the states. Then, fast forward to Sunday, May 10th, Mother's Day, early Sunday morning, the cruise ship finally arrived off the coast

of Tenerifei, dropping an anchor near an industrial port around 5.30 a.m. local time. Officials said that they expected evacuations from the ship to be completed by the end of the day. Shortly after that, the 17 American passengers aboard this cruise ship

officially began disembarking from the ship. They were then prepared for transport back to the United States where they would be flown to the national quarantine unit in Omaha, Nebraska. The only federally funded quarantine unit in the country

and it's operated by Nebraska Medicine and the University of Nebraska Medical Center. So in total, 18 people were placed on the American flight, including 17 U.S. citizens and one British national, who was also a U.S. resident.

And at that point, the CDC said that none of the American passengers had tested positive for Honda virus. However, just hours later, the situation changed once again. The Department of Health and Human Services announced

for Honda virus while the plane carrying the 18 passengers

was already en route back to the U.S.

“And because of that, officials confirmed that two passengers”

aboard the flight were being transported inside the aircraft's bio-containment unit, quote, "out of an abundance of caution." So you're transporting all these Americans back saying that nobody has tested positive, but then you're all, oh, whoopsie.

Just a few hours later, there actually is someone who's testing positive, and there's two passengers now who are, we're going to contain, into the bio-containment unit, just out of caution. Feels like you jump at the gun in terms of trying to transport them back.

Like, again, why aren't systems in place to not like Monday morning quarterback the situation and actually get ahead of the situation?

Of those two passengers who were contained,

only out of an abundance of caution, officials said that one was, in fact, already showing mild symptoms. While the other had officially tested positive for the virus. So now going on this week, here's where we're at. Eventually, all 18 American passengers safely arrived

back in the United States. Once they landed, one passenger was immediately placed in another bio-containment unit at the University of Nebraska. While 15 other passengers began quarantining at the University's National Correntine Center.

This as officials continued monitoring them for symptoms. Meanwhile, two additional passengers, including the one that was already showing symptoms, they were transferred to a specialized bio-containment unit at Emory University in Atlanta for what officials described as, quote, "further assessment."

And as health officials continued tracing possible exposures, California authorities released quite a bit of new information, revealing that four California residents who may have been exposed to the haunt of virus were now being actively monitored,

meaning it has, in fact, started to infiltrate in the states. Thankfully, though, at the time of this recording, which I will update you in like a day once I get the video at a done and, you know, there may be more news. All four of them were reportedly healthy.

They're not showing any symptoms. So again, we just have to kind of like watch it as it progresses. U.S. officials say that 12 U.S. residents are under monitoring by state health officials departments for haunt of virus now, and seven of those 12 were cruise ship passengers,

passengers who disembarked before the outbreak was declared. Two are in Texas, two are in Georgia, one is in Virginia, one is in Arizona, and one is in California. The other five people were exposed to an infected individual during air travel.

Two of them are in New Jersey, two are in Maryland, and one is in California. Hi guys, as promised, a back on screen, because it's the end of the week now, and I have a few more updates. So really quickly, though, going back to that guy,

the travel influencer who was sharing his take on the case, and I know I told you that it's a little bit controversial. People, his name is Jake, people think that he could be a paid actor, and all this stuff, over the last few days too, there have been a lot of comparison videos made online,

because he also had made a video back when COVID was going on, where he was advocating for the vaccine, and things like that, so people were like, "Oh, he's a hired spokesperson for the CDC, or for whatever people are saying that he's from central casting,

all these things, and that basically it's like a whole ruse."

So again, you can go down the rabbit hole,

“all of that if you want, literally all you have to do”

a search on TikTok, his name, or you could even search "Hontavirus scam," and I bet they would come up. I'm not saying I believe one thing, one way or another, but there are a lot of people who do believe that. So now we're at the end of this week, May 12th,

14th, 13th, 14th, lots to go over, okay? And here's where we're at. Twelve staffers at a hospital in the Netherlands are now currently under quarantine, after mishandling blood and urine samples

from a haunted virus patient. A positive patient in France also is preventing a severe form of the virus, and it's currently on life support in serious condition. Moreover, 25 crew members and two medical staffers

are remaining on the cruise ship, while which is, by the way, in route to the Netherlands. Two residents of King County, Washington are also being monitored at home after they sat on a plane near an ill passenger from the cruise ship.

That passenger was removed from the plane and later tested positive. So I know already went on that whole ramp,

“but like, why do you put these people on a plane, right?”

It feels grossly irresponsible.

it is investigating a potential case of haunted virus

“in Winnebego County that is not connected to the cruise ship”

outbreak, but a potential other outbreak. The Minnesota Department of Health also said that it's monitoring the condition of a person who may have been briefly exposed overseas with another person who tested positive for the virus

after being on board the cruise ship. So as of Thursday, this week, May 14th, here's where the breakout is. And this is what I'm recording this in the morning, so by the end of day-to-day, maybe there will be a couple new updates,

which again, if you want these updates, just let me know. And I'll come back on here and just keep you current. There are eight confirmed cases, meaning that the patient in those cases has tested positive for the virus.

There are seven suspected cases, meaning these patients are symptomatic, and they're hospitalized right now waiting for test results. There are 173 people who are currently in isolation or in quarantine and being monitored

after being exposed to the virus. We also know that at this point, three people have died from the virus.

“Now, in reality, you look at those numbers,”

and they don't seem relatively large in comparison to the whole population, right? However, I did see a tracking map and a spreading map, or like a spreader map, if you will, where it is more infections and cases and exposures,

than what we started with with COVID, and we saw how quickly that spread. And again, I'm not here to fear longer. I'm just telling you what I've seen and what I know. I don't know if this is something we need to worry about.

It's personally for me, it's more of just like, it's something I'm just going to watch, and I'm just kind of kind of be curious about, but I wanted to give you guys the information, so that you can decide what you do with it.

The director general of the World Health Organization announced, quote, "there is no sign that we're seeing the start

of a larger outbreak," which here's what I have to say.

That's great that there's no sign, but maybe that's because you're in this moment in time, but clearly, if you look at the history from April 1st, as it's evolved all the way to mid-May now, there have been, it has been growing,

it has been progressing, more people are dying, more people are getting sick, so obviously, whether that's considered large on your scale or not, fine, fair, but it is growing and is there a plan to cut it off at the knees to where you're quarantining people regardless

for the eight weeks to make sure it doesn't spread before sending them on a plane or in a busy airport, or back to their state where they have the freedom to then roam around and meet, see friends and see family. It just feels, again, more like Monday morning,

quarter-backing. Now, I will say this as well, just to be fair, playing devil's advocate. I don't know if it's because sometimes I get onto conspiracy TikTok, or there's just so many different opinions out there,

but I just want to, so you have the full holistic view of everything. I do want to say this. Many people suggest that this is fake, that this is a diversion, that this is a distraction, that this is something that is meant to distract us

from something bigger going on. Other people are suggesting that this virus was planted on the ship as a way to throw us into another lockdown for a government control.

Other people are saying from that first video

of the travel influencer, Nick, that he's a paid actor, that he has some sort of sponsorship with Instagram, or I don't think it's real. But he has some sort of skin in the game with all of this. I don't know that I'm ready to jump to any of those conclusions,

but I will say I have seen a lot of chatter out there, and which is why I think it's worth mentioning. I think there's a lot of conflicting opinions out there.

“What the truth is, it's so early in the situation,”

I don't think any of us truly know, but there are quite a few people out there who do not believe everything on the surface, and what's being shared, and what's being told, however, conversely on the other side. There are a lot of people who are very scared,

and very nervous, not only for the transmission, but the idea that there could be a potential lockdown in the future. So I'm just reporting the information that we have been able to receive, the timeline we've been able to build, so that you have all of the information,

and what you do with that, and what opinions you form with this information, totally up to you. I'm not citing one way or another. I'm just saying there are some missteps in my opinion, along the way of how this has been handled,

feels pretty scary that we don't have a better handle on this, or that we didn't, and that we just let people galvan and go off to, you know, and disperse. But again, who's little me and all of this? So that's where we're at right now.

I'm gonna let you guys know, as soon as we have more information, let me know if this is something you are still interested in following. Maybe we will do little updates here and there, maybe not a full episode, but, again, I know it's not true crime,

or have opinions, and so I thought, hell, why not throw it up?

Is a bonus episode and talk about it? I certainly have been researching it, and my team has been researching it, like, why not? What could it hurt? But I'm curious where you stand with all of this and what you think.

“Do you, are you of the camp that believes that this is real?”

They need to get it under control. This is scary.

Are you in the middle where you're like, I don't, I think people are exaggerating. It's not that big of a deal. It's under control, like, whatever it is, what it is, or are you on the other side of it, where you're saying, like, this is either planted, stage, fake,

“a distraction, and like, I don't believe any of the bullshit that we're saying.”

Curious, and no, no judgment for me, and please don't fight with each other in the comments.

Either, I'm just genuinely curious to know what you guys think about this. So, let me know in the comments. Other than that, I will keep you updated if you want, and let's hope that there are not any more fatalities from this virus, because,

“I mean, it's just awful, and let's hope it really truly is contained,”

and that, like, the director of the World Health Organization said, there's no sign that there is going to be a start of a larger outbreak. Fingers crossed, because I know you don't want to go search for toilet paper again either, or spraying your Amazon packages. So, that's where we're at now. I will keep you updated. Thank you for tuning into the bonus episode.

Reminder for these bonus episodes. The way that you'll get notified of them is if you are subscribed on the YouTube and following on the podcast. All right, guys, until the next one, be nice. Don't kill people. Avoid rodents, maybe, and I don't know, just keep an eye out, I guess. I don't want to say, like, keep your distance or doing anything like that, because I'm not trying to, like, fear-monger. That's obviously not my point, but just, I don't know. I guess I'll say this.

Until the next one, stay healthy. [Music]