"Bowen Yang"

Okay. You know, you just start talking, you hope, uh, interesting thought comes into your head. Yeah. That's why I find myself right now. So I booted, booted up, what I know about booting up was going to get you going.

Yeah, it was just going to trigger something for the cold open.

“Anything you ever funny ever happened for you guys when you boot up?”

Look at this. Oh, so it's wearing a boot.

Always wear a still wearing a walking boot.

Oh, now we're in two or three-cell association and it's in private. Yes, and and yes, and to an all-new smart list. (laughs) Smart. (upbeat music)

(upbeat music) I apologize for picking my teeth. I just got through a bunch of really leafy vegetables. Okay. So I might have to excuse myself, mid, mid record here.

You think? Well, I mean, I don't know. So why don't you go, brush? Well, no. Why don't you get some floss?

I've got the, I've got the little picker out there and that you're, I apologize you're having to watch you and the, over the surprise guest is, I apologize. What you can't bear it until after you, you don't know. No, if I have something stuck between my teeth,

everything stops. Yeah, yeah. I can't, it's, it's like a,

it's like a bee is stuck in my car.

I've got a, I've got a bee and you got a bee and you're about it. Yeah, you got a bee and you're about it. Hey, that was a good saying. This is, you should start that. (laughs)

JB, how's, how's, how's, how's your new setup, JB? Is the New York now, how's your setup pretty good? It's good, I'm just, I'm in, I'm in the hotel for a week and then I get the keys on Friday. So that's not over to the, a part to Monte.

And you'll be there for three, four months. Yes. Wow, isn't it wild? I just got back. Oh.

I know, why, why, why should be playing, I should be staying at your place. Yeah, by the way, why don't you? Oh, two, late, you dick. You can do real stuff.

You can invite now that I'm obligated to a fucking long-term lease. You know you could have done that, but it was, it was all for you. I'm gonna be there, I'm gonna be there soon, JB.

Yeah, no, we didn't have it. Why are you going there? Why don't you be there? Because life. Because life, life, life, life.

“Yeah, maybe, yes, so I guess that's why I couldn't stay at”

your place. You've got a nice new fancy spot here, don't you? I don't have, I don't have keys yet. Why? Because you're making it fancier?

You're in the middle of making it fancier? No, no, no, no, no, it's a long, it's complicated, but I'm very excited. We're excited for you. I'm super jealous here. You know how long I've wanted to live here.

I know, why don't they just get a little tiny, something? You're second. How many times have you had a place in Manhattan? Well, oh, God. Like a place, not like a hotel, but you and I live there for over 20 years, full

time. Yeah. But that was just one spot, right? I mean, different spots, if you had here. Different, oh, my God.

I can't imagine. You've had more or less than a dozen apartments. Count them. More or less than a dozen apartments in Manhattan. Probably around a dozen.

Oh, really? Yeah, something like that. Close to it. If not. That's not so jealous.

You, Sean?

You are, Sean is your first, is that your first?

It's the first place I've owned, yeah, for now six years. But back in the days, to move around a lot, you live with roommates for a year and

“then somebody will bail until you have to move cross town.”

I used to be able to move in a taxi, one taxi can't ride, just a couple of double bags for real. And like, stuff like a mattress, like a food done mattress in the trunk and then like, go cross town and then like move back cross town and whatever, like just to tell us this is sad.

I remember, I think, finally, back, I used to live on 21st Street for years. And I, I was that lucky. I remember having a live in this, basically studio. This is such a boring story, but I'm going to do it anyway. And fold up food town mattress.

I didn't even have the frame. So in the day, I'd roll it up in the corner. Just a question. Just a question. On the floor.

Just to slowly get mad. Imagine. Yeah. And then I had, like, two pairs of jeans and two t-shirts, and what are you saying? It was so, but it was so simple.

Yeah. And there was just, there was nothing, there was nothing. It was just, I gotta say, but, but isn't one of the, isn't one of the greatest things about getting older? So you don't move around like that.

Like, that's, it's just exotic. You don't realize when you're younger, how exhausting is moving and moving and moving. So you also become attached to more, you get attached to more stuff as you get older too, right? Or do you get rid of that?

Yeah. You're like, where's some comfort? It's all this stuff. Yeah. It's fun.

Is that a new placement for the SAG award, which, of which I bet you have many? Yeah. I don't know, I just, I don't know if it counts for, it's in the back count for SAG award. Oh, count for.

Yeah. You count that. Yeah. But that's a new spot right over your shoulder. No, I don't know who put it that I swear.

Okay, Scotty. I'm taking it out. Well, let's find out where the mystery of who put the SAG award in front.

“But have you noticed that, that people do that on their zooms?”

They put a war in the background. Why is that?

I'm more, I'm still, I'm still bothered about that TV behind you because it never gets

viewed because it's the worst time. Yeah. Well, sometimes it's, sometimes it's, well, no, sometimes it's my office and so, I don't know if there's something going on, yeah, if we could see the facts machine, I got his really knocking down big deals over there, but it's just, it's just the placement of it is so

locked in. And then the seating on the other side of your desk is so far away. I know. I know. No, it's not that far.

Anyway, Scotty's got something going on. I'm coming here and I'll watch. Yeah, I don't need to explain myself to you. Okay, here we go. Ready?

Watch this. Yep, sure. My guest today is smarter than all of us combined and practically half our age. Oh.

He started college as a pre-med chemistry major because he was inspired by Sandra. Is he still here? Is he still here? Is he still here? I'm crazy.

Anatomy. He was born in Australia, moved to Quebec, then to Colorado when he was nine. Later he moved in New York, got a graphic design job to pay the bills while doing late night improv and eventually walked into 30 rock and booked Saturday night live, giving him seven seasons in five Emmy nominations.

It's a hilarious, delightful Bowen Yang. Oh, my goodness. Did he? What's up? Dogs, do the house out.

It's so interesting. I've never seen it.

I've never seen that show.

You're too young. You're too young. I don't think I know. I've seen one. Yeah.

Wait. Bowen's got you. You've got your words behind you, too. Oh, you guys were us to Ben Franklin. This has been Franklin.

No, this is the parting gift they gave me at SNL. The make-up guys are not born. Readies. Scans of your face. Yeah, that's a lorn.

No, they do. We're not done on SNL. Yes. Yes. You're a god damn it.

Okay. But we had a good time. We had a great time. Just last year. I love this by the way.

There's a special quality to this. So his girlfriend, I just do you guys all over lapping. It's so cool. It was so cool. We're the worst.

We're the worst interviewers.

And we get a lot of shit because we interrupt each other all. All the time.

“People like the wish they shut up or like, well, this is what a conversation is, right?”

People don't get it. What about what about on yours? You guys don't overlap all the time. Or do you do it together? Last culture, it's us.

We do it together now. We do it. We do it very much on Zoom in years past, but now we're back to Spatial, Shared, whatever. Studio. You guys are, but you guys are going to like really worship, test my shelves.

Aren't you? I don't see this. Look at what it works. They're mostly glass, which I feel like are less legitimate than what your award is because I could break.

Well, let's go on the books. Yeah, look. Yeah. Oh, really? I got to keep bush thing.

Oh, yeah. I like keep bush. What do you got a phone pod? Is that a home pod up in there? This is a sonos.

This is a sonos. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, gotcha. What's the gold one? The gold thing is, is a golden glow?

No, this, this is the newly redesigned Academy Museum honor. You were there when you got it. I was there when you got it. Yeah. Congratulations.

“They used to be, thank you, but they used to be smaller silver Oscar statues.”

And now they, and now it's a gold ice cream cone. I don't understand why they changed it. What's it for? Vibes. I don't know.

I think, actually. For me, for being great. What does. Shine. Which is.

No, no. Anyone here described what I shine. I don't know if you don't know. Shon, want to, Shon, want to silver for Dora. Yeah, I'll look at that.

But the right one. It's cool. For excellent cause playing of Indiana Jones. It's excellent. And he was excellent at it.

Bowen Yang. What? What? Yeah. Talk to you.

Hang on a second. No, don't. Yeah, me. I'm talking to Bowen Yang. Wow.

How dare you? That's so rude. Cool. You're just a son. Yeah.

No, I want, I want to talk to Bowen Yang. What happened? Who was just talking about moving around and then Shon, you chose you. And it's like being bummed.

Yeah, over the place. Always. Why did I move around? Yeah, you were born and then you moved to Quebec. And then, when did I just started an Australia?

Then you had to get that out of Australia. Oh, yeah. That was a Australian reason. Quebec and then Colorado. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Quebec and Colorado. No, it was, it was, my dad's been at the same job for the past, like 38 years. But he got his doctorate in Australia. Australia, so that's been my sister and I were born in Brisbane. Then we moved to Canada, Montreal, where I learned about Celine Dion and then I learned

and then we moved to Colorado for, just to learn about there. I learned about, okay, oh, no, I moved to Colorado. You're a lot of no trouble right now. At the tail end of, I'm going to get in trouble. I moved at the tail end of the Clinton administration right after Columbine and

Germany, Ramsey to Colorado, so as the whole Clinton administration was about tail end.

Hey, wait, wait, how many years, how old were you then when you moved from Quebec?

“Because I want to get into the Canada stuff, obviously, as a Canadian.”

Let's get into it. Yes, I would love to. Eight years old. So I was, I was hysterically sobbing, being like, why are we moving to the place where people get killed?

Like, it was right after Germany, who was a boulder and it was, and it was after, like, it was after all this, this, this, this mess got it. Wait, but this is interesting. I'm going to tell you, Willie, because this is, and this will prompt, boin, which is your dad grew up literally in a straw and mud hut in,

in her Mongolia taught himself to read by Candolite, got a PhD in mining explosives. What? That's right. And then moved across three countries. That's crazy.

You can go to school for anything. So he got a doctorate in blowing stuff up. Yeah. And blowing stuff up for adquiries and such. Yes.

Well, you love taking anywhere he wants, I guess. Sure. But when I love your explanation, I love your explanation. He loves it. He loves it.

He loves it.

But like that, I guess you would, I would want someone to be very credentialed

before I hand it down keys to some explosives. Right. Sure. Yeah. And then you went to, when you, go ahead.

No, you go. You go. Right. This week, we liked to weld.

“You went to, you were like blown away by just for laughs, which is what a comedy festival.”

I'm not. I was blown away. I was blown away. Pun intended. I was blown away.

Yeah. Really good. Just pure beer. So we'll, the who we'll real, right? No, no.

We, we, we, we, we so big today. There would be three street performers. What? What? Jason Jason.

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Don't you drag that shit into that? No, for example. Just outside the airport there. Raise your arms. Nobody does a peeler bar like my girl.

No, no, no, no, no. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So what were you inspired by it just for laughs?

Like what's the first thing you saw?

You're like. The laughs. The laughs. I heard the laughs. There would be like street performers and they still have that.

But like it would be free street performances. And it would be the most like Quebec crazy cookie stuff. Yeah. A mine who like pulls something out of his ear. Like I don't know.

It was just like clowning plus. Oh, yeah. Like jokes. I don't know. It was just it just didn't have to make sense.

You know. Yeah. It was that. And then. So Montreal was what ages to what ages.

Sorry. Oh, it was. No, that's okay. It was three to nine. Three to nine.

And then to Colorado. And then to Colorado nine to 17. Yeah. And 17 to what was where? New York.

And 17 to now. It's been now work. Wow. Wow. I'm glad.

I'm glad. Is that when people ask me where are you from? I don't know. You're not sure. It's still in valor if I say, well, if I say, oh, Colorado

and then Canada before that. People are like, and I tell them what years like you're up there.

“They were like, oh, well, you should just say Colorado.”

I'm like, yeah. But developmentally, like those Canada years were important to me. Yeah. Well, how much, but really, I mean, for any of us, how much do you remember before nine years old?

Not I remember it. I remember it. Yeah. Just a lot of screeching tires. Not all of us had to black it out, man.

You know what I mean? Oh. Yeah. Yeah. She keep baits.

Jake, he was trying to learn how to die on the set a little house of appearing, having notes on a little less on the dying. Jake. Okay. Well, Jake, you've been through this bull cut.

Have you ever seen photos of Google Jason news a kid? He's so fucking cute. Yeah. It's unbelievable. And you can see him on the delken there and action.

And he's got to die. Pulling up my overalls. Hey, Paul. Hey, Paul. No, but I think most of what shaped me happen once I got to California,

which was seven till now. I mean, you know, I remember snow and things like that in Salt Lake City, Boston, New York, but nothing really shaped to I am what happened before then. Sure. I mean, so I mean, well, I mean, not as much as, you know, your Colorado years.

You know, nine to 17. I mean, that's the whole cookie right there. I mean, Jason, let's be honest. You're living in LA from, you know, 18 in through your 20s.

Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Let's be real, huh?

And she's been fucking poor.

She peel it out of water, brother. I mean, you're a big, big, foolish, no. It comes away again. She's it. Oh, we had to fun.

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“So now we have like, we have our little our little canaries or whatever.”

I mean, it sounds nefarious, but it. Well, were you? It does sound. It sounds like you're hiding something. But are you?

Do you? Do you? Were you doing? Were you doing? Were you doing stand up?

Yeah. Were you? Yeah. This was, we were. I was going into it.

And when you right after these boys from Derek comedy had just sort of like stormed the scene. It was a Donald Glover and like DC pierced an endomic to your kiss. is like a Rachel Bloom was in her senior year, um, Steph Xu was doing sketch comedy there, like it was, it was all of these like people who were like, oh, there's something special about them. And then, but we were like, you at the time, you couldn't say like, well, we're all going to make it big,

you know, it just wasn't, you just did what you loved. You never say that out loud. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's, it sounds so annoying when people ask you like, what do you have any advice and I'm like, I, if you can, if you can be at the right place at the right time, but there's never any way of knowing. Yes, that's a great point. Well, you do anything simultaneously to sort of, you know, mitigate your risk, uh, you know, studying anything else or, or studying chemistry at volunteering at Bellevue, at Bellevue hospital, the ER at Bellevue, where I got fired because I had to like,

because I, I like, I, like, I added like 10 minutes to my time chart or something. It was like, they were, they were serious as a heart attack, so to speak about. Like, I, they, they, they would not let anything slide. We'll be right back. And now back to the show. This is really interesting when I, I read that, and, and why you when your chemistry premed,

because that's because of Sandra. Oh, you were a huge fan of Sandra. Oh, I'm crazy.

“Anatomy, and then what happened, which I think is hilarious, and her, that's not a bit. That's not a bit.”

It's not a bit. It's not a bit. And her character name is Christina Yang. Christina Yang. Christina Yang. Christina Yang. And then it's crazy. It's like the classic, like, your wires getting crossroads, like, it wasn't that I wanted to be a doctor because I saw her. It was because one, uh, I wanted to maybe act into, because I was a gay man worshiping an actress's work. Like, it's, it was just those two things. Yes. One, two punch. It's a one, two punch. Yeah.

And yeah. So, with chemistry, but chemistry is, is not, is not, is not medicine. You're

one, what are you studying? Jason, let's hear your thoughts on chemistry. I want to know

“what kind of career one can anticipate with a chemistry degree?”

So it's funny. Like, back in the day, the word industry to me meant, didn't mean anything Hollywood at meant. Oh, like, you're working, industry drop in chemistry, which means you work for, like, proctor and cannibal or something. You like to be making deodorant, down, down, yeah, you make, you make these, like, you make pharmaceuticals, or you make like that was a genuine interest for you. You, you, you, you, you, you were going to pursue it. No, it wasn't. It was not genuine at all.

It was chemistry was because it was the path of least resistance to getting, to like, finishing my credits. It was still like, actual interest in it. I mean, I know some stuff. It was a subject you had a handle of. Like, you didn't struggle, like, I struggled greatly with chemistry, um, like, that is not simple on the bus, on the bus. Yeah. On the bus. Oh, no, nobody, nobody registered any

shock on that. I was silent. I was just looking for shock. But when, Bo, you never had the fed,

never enough of the door of the feds for the, the kid, the kid who's a chemistry major, whose dad is involved in a, a close-up. You, you didn't get a, I can quit. You didn't have, you didn't have trouble traveling. Sure. I'm on the list. Oh, no, you're right. I never thought of that. Well, I mean, but I, I wanted, I wanted to just say all the crazy SNL stuff. So you were like, I read, you were like, me, when you were a kid, you would sit in your room or with your family and do the

bunny ears on the TV and still, and look, get SNL and set her in. I used to do that and watch it by myself in, like, one of my brother's rooms, and he's nobody was around and, and then, and, and, and, and, and, and then Sandra, oh, ends up posting the show, right? Where was everybody? So, and then, and then, and then your sister introduced you to SNL and then you were, you were, you were voted senior most likely to be on SNL in your high school. Because that was,

that was like the Florida sort of like, um, embellished language for the our superulatives. It was like, instead of like class clown, it was like most likely to be on SNL. Right. Yeah, but there's so many, I was senior most likely to trip a graduation. But there's no, it did do. Yeah, I did, actually. On one. Asked her, shrubs. Hey, come on, guys, that'll be alive. Let's look alive. Let's look out, out, out, out. No, but, um, I just think that's so wild. And so you watch it, your sister said,

I think, got voted for it. Then you went there and then Margaret Chow was there when you were in, there's so many arrows pointing that you were going to be on the show. It's just crazy. I guess. I guess. And then, but, but then, so when the audition happens, it does all that stuff flood in and you feel the stakes and the pressure of it, or, or were you kind of indifferent? But let's figure out, like, how did that audition happen? And then that feeling? Like,

what, what was the, yeah, how did you get into the machine? So speaking of just for laughs, that, that, that used to be the pipeline. Like, the, the Western talent people would go to

just for laughs in the summer and, like, they would pick other people. I, I, um, never made it to that stage.

And so I was like, I guess it's not in the cards for me, but then, like, my manager at the time said, put together a tape five minutes, like, the standard, uh, whatever entry point. And I was, like, they'll never ever fucking hire an effeminate Asian guy, like on that show. Like, why would they ever need that? Um, so on a Lark, I was like, no one's ever going to see this tape. So let me just, like, fuck around and do what's funny for me. And then somehow, slip through. That's freeing, no,

“that's freeing. You're blessed for everyone. Yep. That must have been, you must have,”

that feeling of, like, fuck it. Like, it's kind of going to do what Jason was saying, like, that feeling of you're doing it and being able to, like, do it without a net because you're just on sexy. Not you don't care. It's a sexy difference. It's a sexy difference, yeah. It's a sexy difference. It's just a sexy thing. It's right. It must have felt really good being able to just, kind of, yeah, because I think I'm talking to the right people, but I just read this somewhere.

I don't really have any knowledge of it, but it's that thing that, like, it's like, not the yips, but it's like golfers have this when they're a little too focused on the swing. They just, like, lose all, they lose all prowess, they lose all capability. Yeah. It's when you're like, not on a flow state, but it's when you're not thinking of, like, the micro decisions. It's when you're like, who cares? Right, thousands. Did your skaters have this? It's like athletes have this.

Overall, right. Pretend like no one's watching. Pandopee. Pandopee. Pandopee. Guys, how young am I? But, but, but, but, but, but it is true. I do think about that all the time. You think about, it's what they literally engulf they talk about, like, gripping too tight, but there is that notion of gripping time in life on any of that stuff. And when you do that,

“that's what I meant. You must have felt really, like, kind of, but that was such an advantage,”

because everybody else is doing their tapes and they're so tight, because they got to get it right. Mm, yep. Yep. And I wasn't, I didn't really care. Yeah. So, when, so this I read, and I,

we don't have to. But I'm fascinated by the fact that your parents sent you to conversion therapy,

“in Colorado, when you were 17. Which was hilarious. I mean, that's what it was. Yeah. I'm like,”

there's some comedy probably, a lot of comedy from the how horrible that was, yeah. Definitely, because, well, because it was eight, so, so the comedy begins in the whole, sort of occasioning of it, which was the ultimatum. So, like, I don't come out. I, like, I'm discovered to be gay based on the family computer. Remember those? It was like my parents going on the family computer, being like, "Bowen, what's this?" Oh, nice. A soul tree.

Yeah, jewelry picture. Going through your search, your search history. It was a, it was a chat window. Oh, oh, it was a chat window. You got to close those, Bowen. You got to close those, Bowen. You got to close those. So we're sharing it. There's a family computer where we're all sharing. Yep. Is that what it was? Wow. Exactly. So, and you just walked away to get a Coke and to get cocaine. Yeah. That's true. That's true. And didn't close your window. I didn't close,

“we went to some mom prints it out, prints out the trains. Oh, God. How old are you? Oh, God.”

17. Oh, 17. And so she shakes the paper in front of you and says, "Keska say?" She said, "Keska say." And you got to put a little bit more, quote, "Khybikuan." She said, "Khybikuan." She said, "Khybikuan." She said, "Khybikuan." She said, "Khybikuan." She said, "Khybikuan." It was crazy. And it was like, "I was coming. I'll be coming home to my parents sobbing at the dinner table every day." And I was like, "I have to make this right. How could I cause this much pain?" And so, the ultimate

one was, it gets funny, I promise. The ultimate one was, either you stay in state and Colorado. Go to Boulder, live with us, or you can go to college with your sister if you go to conversion therapy. But the punchline is, my sister was at the gayest school in the country and why you. Oh, wow. So I was like, sure, you all do the conversion therapy. It was eight weeks in the summer, and it actually became like great bonding time because it was in Colorado Springs.

Two hour drive up and down from Denver. My dad and I would like bond in the car and just like,

actually get to know each other for the first time as adults or something. And then the

guy is such a quack that by the eighth session, whatever, we're going through some deluded version of cognitive behavioral therapy where he's trying to put me in my body anytime I've been attracted to a guy. It was because you were miserable. It's because you were like in pain and I'm like, yeah, man. But no, no, then the last time it just makes me sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it is what it is. So the second last session, my dad is asking him for referrals in New York. He was like,

bones have been going to New York. Do you have any one there who does this kind of work. He's like, sure, I'll come up with some names next time. The next week, the last session, Stonewall. Yeah, go to Stonewall and go to go to pieces in the West Village. He, he, um, the last session he, like,

walks me. He starts to go into this anecdote and the third person about what it was former patients.

And he's like, yeah, my former patient just gets off at the side of the road in San Bernardino, which is not where you want to be late at night in his car broke down. And then he goes to a dentist and then the waiter's making eyes at him. And then, and then my therapist starts to shift into

“the first person. And then I was like, I mean, really, am I really going to have sex with this guy?”

And then I did. And then he caught himself shifting into the first person. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. And then like, like, the blood, the blood left his face. And then in that moment, it was like, oh, I've just undone all of this work that we've, this like fake phony work that we could bring for the past eight weeks. Wow. Wow. And then I was like, wow, none of this was real. I walk out. Which comes out. He pulls out a little piece of paper. He's like, so I couldn't find any

when New York who does this, but there is a guy in Trenton, New Jersey. And then I, and then

my dad in the early days. Like, yes, I said, Jacob, but I made my dad never like, oh, I guess,

yeah, I'll, you know, I'll take the train out to Jersey or to see this person. Just just trying to like, just trying to like, swap this away. I was like, there's no way I'm ever going to continue this. And so I was like in the closet for like a year and I know you know, but then like all these comedy, these comedy nerds that I was friends with were like, you're gay. And then by software you're always out. But, but, but, but, but Bowen, look, we're not talking about the 50s here. We're talking

about just a half a, yeah, it does in years ago. And it sounds like you and and you're in Colorado, which is progressive. Yes. And your great friends with your parents, it sounds like, I mean, currently notwithstanding the fact that they, that they want you to go through conversion therapy, you're still like getting along with them and you're driving and you're bonding with your dad, and blah, blah, blah, like how I don't understand how all this can sort of match. Because at what

me and you're happy with me. And like why are we trying to convert anything? Right. Right. They, uh, and we know, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's not really a religious thing. Yeah. Um, for them,

“or it wasn't, like, I think for them, it was just this cultural thing. I think it was, you know,”

yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, not even, it's not even on a political alignment. It's just them thinking, like, oh, I don't want my child to have a worse harder life. And for them, like they, so when my dad kept saying to me was speaking of like the straw mud hut, sort of ethos. He was like, where we're, where I grew up, this, this doesn't happen. Like there are people like this. And I was like, no, there are, they just, they just had no concept of it. And so they are both scientists and

engineers. They, they think in terms of solutions. They think in terms of what can be done to change this and right. I read when you said, you said, I read, you said your dad will still occasionally suggest you could try women and you call it almost enduring homophobia. So, so funny. It's so nice. Bless him. Are, are they, have you guys had the conversations of like, I guess it turns out there was nothing to really worry about? Right? They had, oh, yeah. Yeah, great. I think we've,

“we've, we've patched up really nicely. Like, they have apologized. I have, I've always kind of understood”

where they've come from. Yeah, it sounds like you had a lot of understanding of it. Like, even early on, like understanding that like, A, you wanted to go to college. So you were, you were doing it to kind of just go through the motions so you could go. But it does sound like, you, I don't, there's no hint of any sort of anger towards it. Like, you were like, yeah, I get it. I know where they're coming from. That's, yeah. Very kind. It shows his girl be honest.

Yeah, yeah, I love that. So I want to go back to, if you know, there's never a subject that

Shawn doesn't want to get away from. Yeah, he's got his question. He's never happy where he is. He's always trying to leave where he is. I don't know. I don't want to join Bowen. We're talking to him. We're having a real conversation. No, I show. Look, if you want, we can talk about being gay on day long. No, I don't want to, whatever. Whatever. Just go. Okay, so, so the SNL screen says, we kind of covered that. But I want to talk about your, so your first, first you were hired as a writer

at such a young age, which is amazing. You weren't even on camera. You were, and how old were you? Twenty, twenty, seven. That's yeah. That's a reasonable age. That's a long ago. But, and the first time you were on camera, which made me laugh first, I laughed so hard. You playing Kim Jong-un. Oh, okay. It was so fucking so good. It was so funny laughing. It was so funny.

I mean, I love it. And then the, and then the, the first thing that everyone super viral was you

played the iceberg, the, the, what is it? Yes. The iceberg, that's the Titanic. Yeah, the iceberg, that's the Titanic. Yes, I'm the iceberg. Which is so funny. What was it like? We're, tell me,

“talk to me about being a writer and then going, hey, you know what, we think you should be a featured”

player and your Kim Jong-un and your, this iceberg, that, that, that, that, that Titanic it. The same sketch? No, no, no. What was in the same sketch? It was an image on this sketch. Sam, all along. What was the feeling like, oh, my, like, how nervous were you to be doing the thing that you set out to do on the first time? A so nervous. So what, uh, what I remember from the Kim Jong-un thing was, it was when Sandra O'hosted, as you said, yeah, it was a writer and, uh,

insane insane insane insane. And so, what did you insane? It just insane, it's just insane, it's a criticism of that. Yeah. You know, it's all, it's all, it's all very kid's medieval. How was that conversation when you went, did you go up to her at some point and say, hey, so I'm just going to tell you really quick. Yeah, when I said that. Like, did you tell her how much you're, how you respond to the sun? Yes, okay, good. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, I would like,

do these pre-ticktuck. I would do these things where I would just like, like, just kind of match, like, on a lip flap, perfect level, like, the little, like, uh, oh my god, I have a recitals and monologues and I did, I saw you lip sync the whole monologue from Devilworth's Prada. I did that, I did it. Yeah, so like, they've got to see it. It's unbelievable. I've scrubbed them. I don't know why,

I'm like, so shame to see them now. Because they're so amazing. But it's incredible. I don't know.

They seem pretty historic to me. But anyway, but see it, but Sandra and I met before she hosted it, and then she hosted. These other writers, right, the streeter side del writes me into the sketch, right, played Kim Jong-un. I don't have context at the time and they don't put my prescription in the glasses that I wear. And so I had to be off book basically, which is not what you do with us, and you know, as you guys know, like, uh, actually to be off book, I had to like, call her,

call a Korean friend, Karen Chiu, who used to write at Seth Meyers, as like, can you translate these lines into Korean for me? Learned the Korean was off book on a foreign language.

on that week that I had to be. I sat under the bleachers next to Lauren Michaels in the Kim Jong-un

costume. Getting notes. Like, like, I'm in this Kim Jong-un costume, and he turns to me, he's like, maybe we cut the cane and sooner or whatever. I'm like, this is just the deal. That's still the most surreal week of my life. That was bringing Angel.

“Did you? It's my favorite rosé. My favorite. It's on ice. Did you, uh, kind of my spending?”

Was it weird being all the years you were there just knowing that you were the smartest person in the building that you're writing? Like, which is your embarrassing way. You're, I mean, come on. No, no, no, no. I was no Colin. I was no economics man here. He doesn't know, does he know French and Korean and then memorize it? Okay, so wait. Now tell me about this when you, when you were 15, 15 years old,

you were doing improv at bars? Oh, yeah. Is that true? Yeah, but this is, this is so, that that doesn't age well. I feel like I think that's fascinating. You've got to, I've got to do things. How did you get in, like, for, for young people listening? It's like, oh, if you get doing, like improv, but how did you get into the bars? What happened? So there's a theater in Denver called the Bovine Metropolis Theater. I took me years to

figure out it's a play on cow town anyway. Bovine Metropolis, but anyway, they would, they would do like Monday nights, like kind of open mic situations and are, are, are sponsor at the school who's also my calculus teacher. This wonderful educator named Adrian Cole. He's, I know. I know. I know stop, but you guys, that's enough. So we, they would, it was awful. I don't know who, who let their kids go drive into the city. I've got the money. I'm so interesting. Yeah. But, but it was great. It was

embarrassing. Like, like, we, we, we bombed constantly in front of people who did not give a shit if we lived. Like, it, like, it didn't matter if we did well. It was just about, like,

it's that Chris Rock thing. I've just like, bombed a million times. And then. Where did your

sense of humor come from? I mean, your parents, you say, are they both scientists? And, but maybe are they super funny? I mean, no. So how did you develop it? Was it just watching? It was guys,

“this is, and I, and I, and I hope you guys can accept this or receive this. It's like, I think it”

was like, do you remember, like, this is the value in, like, network comedies, right? It's like, it was everybody, like, having the same frame of reference. Right. As to what was funny. It was like, it was watching you guys, started to put you on a pedestal, but it was like, it was, it was that. Take your time through here. I'm going ahead. Don't think of it. It was, it was like, it was just going to school. It was going to just school the next day being like, oh my god, do you guys watch

a rest of the development? Or it was like, and Sean, like, after after I did this thing. So Jason, my farewell sketch was with, was with Cher. And I thought, Hans, and I was going to be thinking back to Sean, Sean and Cher together. And it was just, I mean, that's just like, peak guest star. God, Sean, I loved it. Starman and so was Cher out. So was that a moment for you when, when, will in grace really hit their stride. And I mean, yes, there was a moment when Ellen came out

that was that was the big sort of watershed moment. But then will in grace, I believe, followed that, Seany. Yeah. And, and it was that, did you feel a sense of like, well, there, there may be a spot for me. I might be able to just light my hair on fire and say, yeah, I'm not closet about anything. There is room for for me and us, and etc. Yes.

I don't know if I got that far because I'm telling you guys, like, I never, I would have been,

if you'd asked me, right as I moved to New York, or like right out of college, if you'd asked me what my like ideal job was in Showbiz, it would have been just to be in a room, just to be in a writers room. Right. I never placed myself in those things. And I don't know if it's about, like, you know, representation stuff. It was more just about like, I'm good just knowing the inner works. I was like, watch the Simpsons and like, study the credits. Like, I was, it was,

it was about that. It was, if that was the granular kind of comedy thing that I was working with. Right. But watching Shawn, I think it was about like, um, oh, this is the language, this is the vocabulary of like, or this is just a sensibility of like gay queer humor is. Yeah. And then it turns out, it's okay. Right. And if I could do that and take what Shawn's, what Shawn's doing, and just dial it and have something, something, something kind of weird. Like, if you just make it somewhat palatable,

you don't know what I mean. And you could. I can only, I can say that to the guy who's got four sag awards in Emmy. I don't know. I don't know. I can say that to the guy who's got four sag awards in Emmy. I don't tell you. I don't tell you. I don't tell you. I don't tell you. I don't tell you. I don't tell you. I'm sorry. Shawn, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you in Academy Award way from an E. God?

“No, I, but I, no, and I'm an E. To get your Tony in your Grammy and and and and you need to”

alleviate. So I have a toe. Oh, but on the sag and the sag, I toes. I toes. I toes. I've said, I get you toes. I've said,

Wait, Bowen, so, but that, but Jason, if you haven't seen it, his, his last Bowen's last,

“sketch, his goodbye sketch, it was took place in a Delta lounge and it was with Ariana Grande and”

share and it was so clever how you wrote it or how you and the writer's wrote it. Whatever that, you, your wife calls you and why, can I say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you said, I forget what it was about, but it was, it was Egnog, right? Yeah, and, and Ariana Grande. It was the Christmas show. Yes, yes. And she says, all the Egnog you've made over the years. Some of it was great. Some of it was rotten and you say, and a lot of it got cut and a lot of it got cut,

which is, which is really cute and was very emotional. It was really clever. It was really clever to do it Delta lounge and you were saying, it was really like, it was, it's a little, yeah, it's a kind of, it's, it's obviously like allegorical metaphorical, whatever, but I was like, oh, something about departures. Yeah. Yeah, it was something, it was the Christmas show. It was like, oh, something about like Jason got it. Jason got it. He's a, he's a sold man who works through the Egnog station and

then he's like, oh, like Egnog, it's, it's, it's not for everyone, but the people who like it really like it and they're my kind of people. And like that's that, that's like the whole message of it all. And then Cher comes out as the boss. So yeah, that's really funny. That is, what was, what was it talk, walk us through the, the thinking about leaving and, and the approach to that, the decision to that, what, what, what the, what the next five to 10 years of your life looks like

if you could program it and, you know, do you allow yourself to, to kind of make, make plans and strategize a bit? Kind of. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like I can't plan around like trade winds. I feel like things are just, things are just unsolved. Oh, that's a great way to put it.

Yeah. You know, I love that expression. Yeah, that's really good. I've never heard that before.

That's a fucking great way to put it. But to strangle the metaphor, you do got to put the, the boat in the water and, and it's been a point at one direction. You know, you didn't

“strangle it. You said it. No, but like, where, where, what island would you like to arrive?”

Yeah. You know, like you want to do, do you want to do, do you want to do just purely comedy? Would you like to get into drama? Do you want to do more acting, more performing, more, what, what, where, where is your, where are you getting pulled right now? All of it. I, honestly, I'm sure you guys feel the same way. Podcasting was never on the, was never on the momentum, but it's, it's taken up a lot of space. Yeah. In a good way. I would love all of that.

I think just to go back to like the trade winds thing, it's like, I don't, I'm, I'm honestly like thinking about where, like, where, where comedy lives right now. It's like, I feel like, even at, like, the Emmys, it feels like it's like relegated to this place. Even though, I think comedy shows have this, like, extra thing they have to do where, like, has to present something optimistic about the world. It's really hard to do that right now. I, you know, it's like,

I, I don't know. I was, I was just watching stuff. I'm watching comedies and watching dramas

“sort of an equal measure. And I'm like, the drama is amazing. I love the dramas. But I think the”

comedies have this extra thing to do where it's supposed to reflect something back at you and also

be like a nice, a thing that makes you feel good. Yeah. Well, first of all, there's a, there's a lot of,

it seems to sort of, this trend of a lot of pieces material that's not necessarily comedy that gets kind of, you know, grouped into that, under that umbrella. And, and I don't know how much comedy you do watch. I find that these days, I don't watch a lot of comedy. I don't know if you guys do, I really just don't. I don't know if I'm missing it or it's just not the thing for, I don't know. You can probably tell by how, how boring you are. Yeah. No. Yeah. There's different,

same, like, there's different reasons why comedy is, is, is not, not a big thing as, as, as a, not as a big thing as it used to be descriptive. You mean, like, in that way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah. Up for debate. But, but we, we need it now more than ever. What are the great, what are the great, I'm asking all of you, is what, what are the kind of the great scripted comedy things that are out there? Yeah. Yeah. That you would watch the comeback? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's bad. Yeah. That's bad. I mean, I love God. Yeah, she's hilarious. Come back. But even that, even that's a little bit, like, bleak. Like, it's like, oh, this is, this season's about AI and it's about how, like, the writer's rooms have, like, two people in them. Right. And it's like, whoa, shit. Like, this is this is different than it was 10 years ago when the last season was on. It's like, it just, it has these weird, it just has this weird

What about, I, I, I like talking about this. You're dating life because you're,

“I'm bringing this down, so the vibes are, no, I like it. No, what are you talking about? I love”

it. No, you're really making me think, Bono, because I, Sean, before we get in the day life, I, you're really making me think of that idea of that, like, and we want to get your day dating life in, in, in, we actually, we have some graphs in five. And we also, your mom sent us some presents and printed out some stuff in charge, some chat, some of your options, some of the female options. But, well, well, you know, but you, but in a recent

ask, why, but I read your ask, why are you going to view at the, what I've learned piece when you were reflecting, you said, about work, you said, you, this is you

were saying it, you said, you feel like you've hit critical mass where you did too much,

too soon or something like that. And, and, and you wanted to slow down and focus and quieter work, I, I get that, but just know that, I don't feel, there's millions of people that don't feel that way about you. Like, yeah, I take a lot more. Yeah, I, there's so much more, you know, for real, I'm in full. Drench me. J, J, you, your mic went out for a second. What was that? Just looking, again, guys, quiet, let's

get a clean. So many. Oh, my god. I got to say, Jason showing up to Asano was always like, everyone was sort of straight enough, be like, oh, I'm Jason and I had a really nice intimate conversation. It was like, everything, I think he's flirting with me. It was Jason's a charmer. I wanted to get up nice and close. That place, I love that place so much. I just

watched that Lauren documentary. It was really cool. I love it. Yeah, I'm telling you. So, Bowen, because I've read this, too, and I want you to only want what you want, but that, that, that, you said it's impossible to, it's, it's said it's impossible to date during Asano, and where you would go in a couple of days and then just vanish, like, what's going on? I would vanish. I would vanish, but I'm not on me. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'll,

it's a self call, and like, I, I just, I would get swept up in, in the show in the work, and like,

“it's just so hard to like put any stake in your own life, it felt like, but I mean, that's what”

I'm saying, it's impossible to do. Now, now things are fine. Like, things are normal. I'm like, still still like unlearning so many things in a way that like, I am grateful for it. And I also mourn how my life used to be, like, I do miss it so much. I've been getting dinners and lunches with people on the brakes and the crew are still there, and I'm like, oh, it's, it's nice. And I have to say this because people are listening. It's okay to be single.

Why are you saying it like that? Why are you looking at me? You know, you know what?

I've never heard of and again, this is a guy that lives in a kid. This is long. This list is

fucking fun. Stop that you've never heard of. It's not common to hear about Saturday night live hookups and, and, and couples in, right, with the cast, right? I mean, or writers or whatever. It's a gay thing. I don't think it's a gay thing. No, what? I'll be a gay gay straight. It doesn't get, it's just in general, like, you know, like people who go to school together, like, that's, that's all you have, or just your classmates to sort of like, you know,

I went out with him last year and this year, like, you don't hear about that on SNL. And you'd think that you would just based on schedule. Like, you don't have a chance to meet anybody else. Really? You guys are in there all the time. We're in there all the time. Oh, but I thought you were talking about Jason, like, uh, intra, SNL hookups within SNL people. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, castmates dating one another or a writer with a castmate or writers and writers

and, or, you don't, right? I know. And you thought you're, well, you're right. I just wasn't, yeah, I, I didn't really encounter that, but I, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't feel like I missed you out. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't know. I love that you're, uh, your Instagram handle is at fade done away. That's your main Instagram. I didn't know that until recently. Yeah,

I laughed out loud at that. I can't, first of all, I can't believe it was available. I can't

either. And I'm holding on to it for your life. She wants to, I think she wants a bad how much time does your podcast take from you each week? Uh, it, it's Siphons from me, like six hours a week. Which is not that bad. All right. And which is your, uh, fine. And with your other time, what do you, what, what's, what's the ratio between work pursuits versus a personal, um, you know, just taking care of yourself? How hard are you working on it? I'm working decently at like a reasonable

intensity. I still, I'm exhausted at the end of the day. Sure. I think I, I'm still kind of like my nervous system is still sort of on like resetting from SNL. We're just, it just knows a work is

“done. Then it's time to go to bed. Like it's, there was that switch. But you have to, you have to”

now self program. Like you, you there, there was a schedule. We had to be there a certain time, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now you've got to do it. Are you, are you, are you, finding your,

Well, you're old. I'm, you know, I'm very good about it. When I'm great when I'm working, I'm, I'm very, very disciplined and when I'm not working, I, I'm, I could not be worse at doing anything responsible. Yeah. Jayson's, one of my favorite quotes is Jayson says, I want to, I want to aggressively do nothing. Yeah. And then, and then when I'm working, I'm, I'm, I'm an animal.

“Well, what, what is the truth is, and I mean, when he's not working, he obsessively plays golf”

because it gives him something to do. Yeah. And so he, so he plays it. So he plays it five, six days a week. Yeah. And then he was going to be like, hey, do you want to play tomorrow? I'm like, no, and he's like, I, I've got like one thing, but I can't do it all the time. Like, he has to do it because he needs that. I have a good finish. She is falling. I'm much better. I find it much better when I'm not working at, at being able to just kind of chill. Like,

I did my little stuff this morning and kind of go to the gym and kind of, I find it like, he's watching soccer, taking nap. Is it just saggy days though, right? We like, it doesn't matter if you wake up at 8 a.m. 11 30 a.m. Like, those days are like, I feel like I'm being irresponsible to another day of life. I'm still a bit six a.m. every day. But yeah, get the kids to school, all that kind of stuff. You have to do the kids give you that, too. That, you know,

so she lives on it on a strict chocolate cake schedule. That I do not stray from. Yeah, that's got a mix and bold by 10 30. So what do you have for breakfast today? I had blood worked on, so I couldn't eat, uh, but then when I came home, I'm sad. Oh, I don't know. Now you're in white peanut butter sandwich. Sure. This is a blast of myself. Yeah, four 11 a.m. It was a peanut butter sandwich. Yeah. Yeah. At 10 30. So there's a bad time for it.

Not that. There's always a good time for a peanut butter sandwich. So last culture is this,

which is huge, just hit 10 years. Amazing. Wow. Yeah, hot because for 10 years, 10. Yeah,

“it's great. Congratulations. Yeah, that's huge. That's really cool. What year are you guys on?”

Six. Yeah. Yeah. We just, we're about to hit six. Yeah. And then you have cat in the hat coming out. No, November six with Warner Brothers, which is amazing. I love that. Oh, hey, they're amazing. Did you see it? No, I love it. It's got that in in it. I think that's going to be huge. And then the last thing I want to do with you, which is, so it's such a great thing you do on your podcast. It's called what is it called? I don't think so honey. I don't think so honey, which is, which is similar to who's that guy that

Jason, you brought on the taxi cab guy who films. Oh, that was the subway the subway. Oh, Kareem. Kareem. Kareem. Kareem. It's similar thing to who what Kareem does, which is you, you have a, you have a thing. I don't want to put you on the spot if you don't have one, but you have a eye on. I'm sure I do. I've got your favorite one. I've got one. Okay, what is it? Um, I don't think so honey, outdoor furniture. It's a scam. It is only meant to be dirtied. There's,

your pet, your cushions are flying all around. You've got to like bring down the umbrella. It's the, the rugs get dirty. There's no maintenance on outdoor furniture. But we, we feel compelled.

It is compulsory that we buy it to fill out our outdoor spaces. And yet, it never aesthetically

looks pleasing. It's a terrible, terrible cycle. It's almost to Faustine. I don't know how, but it's like we give up something. We give up or it's so the indignation of outdoor furniture is terrible. And I know this is a very like champagne problem. You think now? But it's just awful. We have to cover it when it's raining. It should, it should give you a power washer with it. Oh, I love that. It's a great take.

Mine, mine is, I just thought it's been, knowing you were coming on, because it just happened to me yesterday, is pulling up to a parking spot where there's a meter or trying to find a parking spot. So many comes out that get in their car. So you put your clicker on,

because they're about to pull out and they never pull out. They're on their phone. They take 20 minutes.

Yeah, this is there. That's like, what? Yeah, what are they selling? Yeah, I don't think so.

“I don't think so. But you know what I think, Bowen Yang, you are brilliant. You are hilarious”

from the first time I saw you. Thank you for being here today. I love you. I love that. You're a treasure. You're not just a national treasure, it turns out you're an international treasure of unique countries. You have that. Continent, continental in North America. The Commonwealth, the Commonwealth. Thank you for being here, Bowen. Thank you, Miss. Guys and thanks, Bowen. Yeah, I love it. Nice guy. Jason hates that he hates an afternoon

record. I do. Oh my god. You're so right. This is staying in. You made it worth it, though. You made it worth it. You've changed my attitude about it. They can all be like Bowen Yang records. Let's do it then. Yeah. Really fun. Thanks, Bowen. Thanks, Bowen. Thanks, guys. All righty. Thanks, Bowen. See you. Have a great rest of the day. Bye.

He's really funny. He has any openings for friends. I think so. I think he does. I would

I would underperform. I'm a terrible guy. We'd less have dinner with him. Yeah, he's one of the people like super intelligent and super funny. And I think the two often go hand in hand, not in my

“case, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then also, I think. Oh, sorry. Do you want push back on that?”

Sorry. No. I don't want to. No. No. I get better about going out to dinner, don't I?

To in order to be just a halfway decent friend. I need to actually get out of the house. You go, though. I mean, but I don't even take your phone calls. I don't know. Right? That's like, this is good.

“You guys tried to face time me the other day, and I just wouldn't have it. You know what happened?”

Yes. You and Josh, Willie. No. You know, I happen to day is the three of us run a texting chain

and then I stop because I know you don't like to get pinged content. Well, just build the paragraph and send that. I don't need, but sometimes sometimes you need a conversation to go back and forth. So we're going back and forth with the thing we were all talking about. And Sean's like, I feel bad because I feel like Jason is going to get annoying. So I took you off and I just we have to manage. We have to manage grants. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I can see a breaking point.

What about? What about if I'll just leave the conversation? I'll just hit that button if it gets too much. Well, what would you say? Jason goes so mad at me because he kept leaving Nurtle when we were doing a few years ago because he didn't want the back full back and forth. And then I kept adding him back. It goes like, he's like, fuck, fuck. It's like the fish that wiggles off the hook and you keep gaffing it and pulling it in the boat.

He's so funny. Like, guys, watch this. I'd add him into the conversation.

“That is so funny. Jason, what would you say if you left the conversation?”

I would say, bye. Hey. Smartless is 100% organic and are tizzantly handcrafted by Bennett Barbico, Michael Grant Terry, in Rob, I'm Jeff.