"Elle Fanning"

Oh my god, we made it. We made the name.

I thought we were going to be late, but here we--

I didn't have chance to stop and pod the D. Oh, you didn't pod it? Wait, me, we could pod the today. You want to call this pod, Ian? Yeah.

You made us run in here for that? Yeah. We can call a pod, Ian. We're going to pod you, man. This was a smart list.

Smart. [MUSIC PLAYING] Don't you think we should go on another trip? I do. Why don't we?

We always talk about it. By the way, do you guys-- do you guys like doing laundry? I just did a bunch of laundry. I like--

You know what? Oh, Scottie and I were talking about this. Why are you remembering? A couple of things. Wait a second.

What are you--

“What are we going to think that we made a weird at it?”

Because I just finished a ton of laundry. And I don't usually like folding laundry, but I like folding towels. I like folding towels because it's like OCD. So you guys, are you trying to tell us

that you do laundry when you're back home in LA? No, sir. I do it here until you-- You're a fascinating dinner date. Tell us more about it.

The folding of the towels, man. Do you guys go and eat me, bro? I will tell you that you might get in towels. Did you guys have a lot of discipline growing up as far as like having chores and learning how to do everything?

Yeah. That like, I know how to wash windows without streaks. I know how to fold laundry. I know how to load a dishwasher. I didn't know how to sweep in a way that you're not

re-sweeping certain areas. Like, my dad taught me how to do everything right. Yeah. Like before I could push back and say, I don't want to learn. I have not done that with my kids.

I mean, they can buy, but I just-- No, but your kids are very responsible. Yeah, no, they're in credit. I love them to death and they do great. But I wasn't diligent about teaching them how to do the things

that you're going to need to do the rest of your life. Like folding a towel, how to do it properly. Yeah.

“I remember my mom teaching me how to do that.”

Make all of that? Yeah, we had to, because we didn't have any money. You know that whole story. And we didn't have a washer and dryer. I was broke down.

So me and my mom took garbage bags of clothes and put them in the car and drove to the laundry. And I was the only kid that did that. Wow. Out of the five kids, by the way, they're all listening.

Yeah. We're going to argue about that later. I started last night getting ahead of the snow outside of my stupere. And so I was out every couple of hours. No, and you knew how to shovel.

Yeah, of course, because it did bring me back and maybe feel like it was a young Canadian. It's the best, right? Yeah. I love it.

So good. Jay, what about you getting behind the snow? You know, so I-- is that to Coke joke? It's Coke joke early or in minute eight? I don't know.

Jay, be the one. Oh, wait, wait.

Like, like, so there's something that my dad never did teach me because by the time we left

the snow, I was four. So I didn't have to shovel it. But so I would struggle with snow. There's probably a real-- you need a pet to teach you elbow grease. You don't start at the bottom, right?

You don't dig that shovel all the way to the bottom and try to lift it up. You've got to start taking off the top, right? Yeah. Well, it depends on him.

“But that's why I also, like, if you go out and you get it early enough, like I did it”

a couple of times last night. So then, by this morning, it was a two in the day. See that? Yeah. I used to do that.

What do you think my dad taught me? Oh, wait. Can I come back to this? Because I'd love to fill out a joke list of 10 to 20. Yeah.

And then I'd like to, you know, rank them and really just give you the right stuff. I think so. Ultimately, how to lower expectations. Yeah. In people?

In people? Keep your expectations super low. Also, how to keep your emotional knees bent? You know? I was ready for disappointment.

Yeah. Right. Emotionally bent from the knees? Yeah. Right.

A ready position. Yes. And now look at me. Yeah. Anyway.

Yeah. You did great. I don't know. You know, Sean, for all the joking, for all the joking that we do about it's something that you're one of the most caring thoughtful people I have ever had in

my life. It's, that's a true story. Well, I was saying it to somebody the other day. Incredible.

I was saying, I was saying that Sean is the first guy, anything's going on in your life.

Something's happened. He's the first person to check in, send you something, help. Like he's, yeah. Thank you. And Sean, you're a perfect example of nature versus nurture.

So, you know, there's no even question about the nurture part because we all know the story or your father had something to do in some other place, aside from staying with you.

That's your mother was incredible to you as well.

But you have, you have natured yourself all the way to the global show that's a very nice church. I'm natured myself. I'm natured myself. And the few things in there that I've really enjoyed, your father had something else to

do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do else to do. I would say, I would accept that compliment as I'm trying to learn as I get older. So, thank you for that.

“And I will return it to both of you. I think we all come from backgrounds that challenged”

us to become better people. Yeah. Amen. Yeah. Which team of our guests perfectly?

I guess it does. I wasn't going to say, I mean, the warning signs were there. I mean, your dad had five kids and he bought a two-seater. Oh. It's done.

It's like this guy, he built an escape pod. He was sending my guy signs. So true, I mean, MG convertible. Yeah. I mean, I just remember him in a bag, like an overnight bag.

By the way, I bet too. So true, anyway, tell me something about our guest. She is really no stranger to awards, sag awards, any kind of, you know, it's insane. I mean, nominated for, like 122 various awards around the world, 19, and we're talking about, what are we talking about?

“We're talking about sag, critics, choice, recently in a academy where I can't say what”

yet because you're going to know exactly who it is and I want you to guess. Emmys, everything she has and her for pieces of work that we all really, really adore. That we, and she, stuff that we've all seen a million times are like, oh, yeah. The greatest stuff, like breaking out in, I am Sam, Daddy Day Care, is okay. All the way to the new predator, badlands, and then this year is just sentimental value for

which is nominated for an Academy Award for Best Employing Actress. You guys, it's an other than L fanning. Oh my, oh, I got you had a big, spinning, I didn't know where you were going. I know, I took you on a weird route just to go into credits. You know, we get off at the right time.

You just did. Yeah, I love it's running. Oh, I'm not sure you have a, have a guest in there. We didn't get to know. Yes, but I just, first, you go, I am Sam, I'm like, oh God, they're going to think it's

Dakota. No, I just wanted to throw them off the cent. No, I would have to be thrown, just watch padlands as soon as you did.

Yes, I'd bud Jason forever and Jason, scoured John Mice, I've never got together.

I was like, fuck, I'm just going to watch it. I hear that's incredible. Thank you so much. I am a real listener to this and my sister and I and our friend Chloe, we absolutely love your show and your doc, you minnily.

Right. So this is a big deal. I'm like sitting here, like my heart is pounding. Well, we're so happy for you to be here. I do know Will, we've been seeing each other around.

Yes, yes, we are. How long have you guys been dating? We're in a talk convention. We have. Puck the website or a Puck a hockey thing or Puck the website.

No, Puck is a real, that's a Ford Tracy, I wanted to get that. Yes, yeah, I'll try, because I don't know what it is either. No, that's a real piece. Yeah. Puck is, what is it, Will?

It's like I met met, is it, which is they met, met baloney, baloney, baloney? Oh, yeah. Baloney, boy, I don't even get crushed for that. And the great, who's also are John Estelman and right, yeah, a lot is a lot, a lot of great.

Am I right about that? Is that the same crew? Is it? Wait, I still don't know what to do. I mean, it's a web chat.

It's an entertainment email thing too, right?

“People get, like, in the industry, you have to sign up for it and it's, like, you get”

little inside scoops and things. Yes, that, yeah, there's a bunch of stuff in there. It's very, very. You must, you must subscribe to it, Jason. Oh, you know, girl.

But wait a minute, for me, for me, and my sister, it's still not understand. So Puck is a thing, it's like a newsletter, it's like a newsletter, it's like a newsletter. So you sign up, they send you an email that you sign up for thinking, yeah, it's like how are you and how. How do you access?

It's like, how does that work? Did they, did they, what was it like, a panel, a panel, oh, oh, okay, got it, got it, got it. And he was there for his this thing on and I was there for sentimental value. And Jesse Plymanz was with us in Tessa Thompson. That's right.

Yeah, great, yeah.

I can't, I've only heard amazing things about sentiment.

I can't tell you, sentimental value is so good. And I don't know if I told, maybe I talked to you about it, but I talked to, I think I talked to you about it and you're wonderful director Joaquin and Joaquin Trier and also

It's such a beautiful film, it's such a, I mean, just the level of filmmaking and every department

from the direction to the acting, to the production, to all of it is so complete. I mean, that is truly the height of great filmmaking. I think you. Thank you. Yes.

An unreal experience with Joaquin, and it was just really something.

“Joaquin, I said his name, how do you pronounce his last name, too?”

Is it triar, Trier, Trier? Trier. Yeah. How embarrassing. I'm sure there's going to be a headline how we've just besmirched the guy.

A lot of people say Joaquin, but it's, or Joaquin, if you were, if you had a Norwegian accent, they would say it differently, it would be like Joaquin. Joaquin. Joaquin. Yeah.

Joaquin, Joaquin. Wait. Where are you right now?

Are you, are you, New York?

I am in LA. I am in LA. But I happen, my boyfriend lives in New York, and so he just sent him actually a photo. Yeah. It's crazy in New York right now.

Isn't it? He sent you photos. Yeah. There was a tree that fell down in front of his house, this giant tree, but it looks so cozy.

I mean, I'm in LA, and it's like glorious and sunny outside, so it's so crazy how opposite it is. Yeah, you know, it's, I had, yeah, I just, I've ventured out for two minutes, my local coffee shops closed. Nobody went in because there's nothing, by the way, there's nothing to open.

My gym was open. Thank God. Abbie. Wait. I got it.

I got it for compliment. Nothing. Okay. Moving on. Oh.

Wait, so, so, Al, you're in LA, you spent a lot of your life in LA. You were born. We're going to, we're going to go early days. You were born in it. Just outside of Atlanta.

I'm, I'm guessing, right? Yes. Yes. I was born actually during a tornado warning. Whoa.

Yeah. I've been through a tornado warning in Atlanta. It's not fun. Well, I guess, yeah. I wasn't really, definitely don't remember it.

I was going through something else at the time. Wait, too. Your mom, your mom was going to be birthed to you while there was a tornado. Yes. Happening.

I don't think it was happening, but it was very close. And there was a warning. So, like, the hospital, like, the hallways, like, there was kind of the shutdown. No. What did you think about that?

That meant that my sister was in the room while my mom gave birth, and she was asleep on a cot next to the bed, and my mom didn't find out with either of us, like, if we were a boy or a girl.

“And so my mom gave birth, and then my sister woke up, and, like, famously, I think it's”

on camera. We have, like, a video of it, but she says, she says, what is it? And it's, like, it's a baby sister, and that, yeah, that's very sweet. Oh. You're lucky your parents can do that thing, and, like, decided to name you, like,

NATO, or, you know, F3 after the size of the hurricane. I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, I was born in Georgia. My family is very southern, so even though, yeah, even though I grew up in LA, like,

I moved here when I was three, so I definitely don't remember Georgia that much, but the southern roots, like, run deep, and my grandmother lived with us growing up, and she still lives with my mom, and she would go with me on film sets, and my mom would go with my sister. Oh, wow.

So when we were working at the same time, yeah, you were, and what I loved about reading, reading up a little bit about your, your sort of early days is how you're, and I mentioned I am Sam, but because you, you did play a younger version of your sister in the movie. And they, in some of the like Wikipedia, of course, we have a deep research to Bourbon,

said, um, so that you, you, your first, it's sort of, let's, your first few credits, and

then it says her first role where she wasn't playing a young version of her sister. Right. Because I did it a couple of times. Yeah. Because they would, um, you know, there would be flashback scenes, and then they'd be trying

to find a young girl that looked like Dakota, and then I would be on set, like with my mom.

“And, um, they're like, actually, can we just use L real quick?”

And so technically, and my mom's like, sure, and I, they, they took me, and I just got handed to Sean Penn, and we're swinging on the swing. Wow. Wow. Wow.

But there's Jason Plettle, a young, justine, made me many times, so a man, he, yeah. Right. So he's put in the extension and all my way throughout the year. Um, what's the, what's the age difference between you, too? She's four years older than me.

Okay. Okay. And it's just a two-year. Just us, yep. Just us.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, how, how old were you when you, when you guys started, I'm, I'm getting to sort of this question about like, missing childhood and all that stuff. I've been going down the dark way.

Well, I love asking that. Well, there's a great, there's a great, there's a great, I know you worked a lot when you were a kid, but there's also, there was a lot of normalcy there, and I was

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that's definitely something, um, you know, that's asked.

I mean, the origin story, it's so funny because my sister's like, you're not telling it exactly right. I'm like, why was it baby? I'm like, it's, you know, it's been told to me. So, um, because a lot to do with my start is really her start, uh, into everything.

Um, and so she was in, you know, Georgia, my mom and my dad, they were both athletes. My dad was a professional baseball player, my mom was, uh, played tennis in college. Her dad was a quarterback in the NFL for the Eagles. What? Yes.

Yes. That's crazy.

“And we were really, um, yeah, we were really supposed to, I think mom probably”

thought that we would be kind of players or something, um, you know, something, something sporty. Um, and it's funny.

I mean, this has to do with it.

But like our mom is, um, she tans really easily has really dark eyes, super dark long hair. And so this, this, this, this, it all tracks because, um, and our dad is part of his, his German, his mom was German. And so we kind of came out with this like fair fair skin and this like white hair and

blue eyes. And so when my sister, you know, she went out on the tennis court from, you know, my mom got her out there. Young. She's like, you know, four, five, you know, and she would just get so hot.

And like, we don't can, like, the sunburn was just insane as she's like, oh, my God, like my precious little, you know, fair skin, like, baby, like, she's just not cut out for this sport. Like for, you know, and then she put her in the locker room and it's like, yeah, like, we need

“to get her in her dark stage, but I appreciate, you know, I think there's, the athleticism”

and the discipline is actually really translated into acting. Like as I've gotten older, I really see the correlation to it. Like I approached my work kind of in this athletic way. It seems more. Yeah, too sport, but also just, I think the adrenaline, like hiking yourself up, like making

sure you're nourished, like for the, like, there's just something to it that I think there is correlation there. And so then I know I'm trying the origin story because it's kind of crazy. But my mom wanted, you know, wanted to code it to, because I wasn't born yet, but to find, like, her passion, like, okay, what are we going to put you into, then she's like,

all right, you know, she did violin, she played piano and my sister was like a savant.

Like she is just, was always incredibly smart for her age and she has a photographic

memory, her memories and sane, which doesn't help in arguments because she's completely always right. And right. And what that's like. Yeah.

And so then there was this, you know, then my mom kind of would observe my sister playing around the house constantly of just all she wanted to do was, like, play with her baby dolls. I mean, a lot of kids do, but it was just very extreme in, in an elaborate, in, in all of that.

And then when I came along, she got like this real life, baby to play was really good. It could even more real, you know, we would watch the TLC shows, like my baby story, like his love, as a kid, we loved that. And all we would play and then she would give birth to me. So I would like come out of this bean bag, like underneath her and like, and we wouldn't

perform this for people, but we would do it for ourselves. All right. Like push push. And it just be like a bean bag. Yes.

And it's like, oh God, we're, we're losing her, we're losing her, you know, she's like pounding on me. And I'm playing along or just he's real, these real scenarios. And so my mom, I mean, we're kind of jumping around, but this was kind of, yeah, I guess Dakota was like five, so I was around, but she put her in this play camp in Georgia.

“And the people at the play camp, they were putting on this, I think it was called blue fish,”

like this play. And she got a big part in that play and just lit up, like, found, they could just see something in her from the other kids that was different. And they talked to my mom and we're like, you know, maybe she could do some commercials or get an agent here, you know, maybe get a TV show or just it wasn't, but it wasn't like

go to the movies. It was just like, try this out type of thing. Yeah. And I mean, mom had a genuine conversation, like with Dakota at that age, like, is this something you'd want to do?

And she's like at any point if this is like not fun for you, like, we want to do it. Go home or do it. Yeah. Yeah. And so then it eventually, if she got an agent in Georgia, and then my mom and my sister,

they went themselves to LA because my aunt, who was a sideline reporter for the NFL,

Good Lord. Yeah.

She was living in LA and so my mom and my sister's like, slept on her couch and, you know,

did pilot season. Sure. And I think she got Allie McBeal. She played the young Allie McBeal. Oh, wow.

Yeah.

“And she got commercials, you know, and so when, so where does Elle come in?”

I love it. I love it. No, but I'm like, I'm just like, I'm so young, but I'm watching. It's just becoming a part of my life from that age of seeing my sister, oh, going on these auditions.

And then, oh, then she gets to dress up and get to go to other places. And it's like, I want to do that. It really was a copycat, like I call myself like a nephosister in a way, because I completely just copy her because I would visit her on sets all the time, which also cat in the hat, Sean.

Cat in the hat? Yeah. With the code, yeah. Where did you come by? Did I meet you?

Probably. All the time. Oh, my gosh. How many times a day do you say did I meet you? Just get us ballpark.

We'll be right back. Now back to the show. So, but what about school for the both you guys?

“Like, did you have a very normal childhood, like looking back now?”

Kind of, right? Yes. We really did. Sorry. That one was for Elle.

Well. No. You've a normal childhood. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Wait. Yeah. No, but you did. So you went to public schools and stuff like that. By school, yeah, by sister went to, she was homeschooled for a long time until ninth grade

in high school. And so then that meant like the age-wise, I was homeschooled by my grandmother until fourth grade. And so at those two ages, we just kind of felt like we wanted, you know, I think our mom wanted us to have that experience, you know, very much experience that our mom

had.

Like, she just never had a, she is shy, she's not, and like no one is in the business.

Like, this is just not, this is not how she saw her life going. And then it was like Dakota just kind of kept getting jobs and then we're like, she always thought, oh, we're going to move back to Georgia and then they never did. Because she kept getting things and like moved to LA. And so my mom was really, you know, figuring out as she was going along as well.

It's interesting because my sister, her birthday is today. Oh, I haven't heard that Dakota. Yeah, but she's, um, yeah, she's 32, but we're, it's interesting because, like, mom was 32 when she was on set with I am saying, I'm like navigating this, you know, which on pins, like method, you know, talking to Dakota and just they're having to navigate

that together. It's just so interesting. They kind of sweet to think about our young mom, do you know, that's really cool. Yeah, but yeah, schools, it's, uh, yes, we, we were homeschooled and then it was like,

“I think, you know, I was like, I don't really have any friends my own age and, and I want”

to have that experience and so mom's like, yeah, certainly, you know, wanted proms and the parties and the whole thing. And so we went to the same school and it was a private school here in LA. Yeah, that's great. Yeah.

And then did, uh, did, uh, again, I'm just, I found myself, I'm just projecting here is thinking about all of my, you know, oh, take us away on this journey. Yeah, so for me, um, uh, but did you guys think about college? I didn't know there was a little left on the journey. You guys, do you guys just kind of blew right by college, kind of like I did thinking, like,

oh, it's, it's, well, I'm good. I've got my career started. I don't, I don't need it. And it's, it's, it's stressful, right? I certainly did.

I was not, I was so done with school. I was, I knew from pretty quick, yeah, I'm not going to college, Dakota did, Dakota went to NYU. Okay. She's much more studious than I and has much more like the attention span and she's got

a backup career in her back pocket. I know.

She should be, we always tell her like, she should be, should have been a lawyer.

I mean, not sure. I know. Right. She still can't make it. Yeah.

We're not. Yeah, that's why. We don't want to just say one sidebar about homeschool because I, I, I don't know anything about it. It's just imagine.

Oh, they're definitely go off on it then. Yeah. That was never hot today. Yeah. I always imagine when somebody says they're homeschooled, like, how eat, like,

who's checking to see if you're done your home? Like, how does it? No. You know, like, you just wake up and like, man, you can't say, I don't feel like going to class because your class is in your house, you know, like, I would cut class

all the time. Sure. You'd be late. You'd be late. Yeah, I'd be late.

I'd be late almost every day at school. But yeah, but there's, you know, there's no, I'm like, anyway, we don't have to go into it. I just, it was like a curriculum that was a full curriculum and they would send you

grandmother. Yes. And then I also had a studio teacher. That was the same studio teacher with me, even when I would, when I was in my regular school and would leave and go back and forth, and we had to keep up with the

assignments. Got it. But it was also, I mean, it was interesting because I felt like I learned a lot more, like, the

certain curriculum, they taught us cursive first instead of, in which is kind of

reversed. I don't, when I went into school, like, a lot of my, they didn't know cursive as, and they thought it was kind of weird, like, why are you doing cursive?

“And like, oh, that's what I was taught first, and so it was kind of like in advanced.”

Right. I know you mean about the college thing though, because I was, it's like, I, I, I, I completely advocate for everybody going to college just for the experience of it, right? I understand when people like want to pursue acting or something because if you have a degree in act and being an act like theater and actor, it doesn't help you get a job, like either

you're right for a part or you're not right for a part. But I mean, I'm still, you need to have that diploma and the credentials and all that stuff before you. Right. Yeah.

I still advocate for people going to study because I, we heard that the first cover shot. Yeah. We're really covered on that. But I guess you were about by the way, and by the way, just a little plug, I, I have a scholarship

set up at Illinois State University for theater kids. So I knew it, I thought it was a long way to get to that and tell you what. So it's a plug. It's important. No, I had, my, my, my thing was, let's get from this experience.

They're one semester because I was like, sure, I want to get out into the world, and I want to get doing the thing. Yeah. I want to do. That was it.

You were saying. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. Let's get on this.

Yeah. Yeah. That's how I felt. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. a stand-in for your sister that you're front and center, and you're like, wait a minute, this is really cool, and I really get it. >> Yes, there was a gosh. I'm trying to remember the very first. I mean, I definitely, I mean, I did, you know, I had a lot of commercials. I did the, you know, law and order stand. You know, I burned down a house. It's like a crazy, you know, demon child. I had the right of passage there.

“>> What was your style of burning? Was it like lighter fluid? How did you burn down the house? Do you remember what your character did?”

>> I don't remember. >> I was asking for a friend or a bunch of new papers. >> Yeah, because there's a bunch of different ways to do it. >> It might have just been, I don't know if they showed me doing it. It was more like, you know, fire starter, like I was like this girl in front of the burning building. >> Didn't come out of your eyes or anything like that? >> No, no, but criminal minds, they really loved me. They brought, I was a, I was kidnapped twice the same character. I was brought back.

>> To get kidnapped again. >> Get kidnapped again. >> Yes, the best kicking and screaming we've ever seen. >> Not since Liam Neeson. >> Yeah, so that was a big thing. >> After being kidnapped, how quickly would they let you go? Do you think if they come?

>> Oops, like on the right to the hideout. >> Well, you know, as Oprah said, never allowed him take you to the second location.

>> Well, it's not as something. >> First job is when the fire started, like when that flames first started, like oh wait, this is exciting was it was it like all of all of those little episodic things you're like wait a minute, I'm this is really really thrilling. >> Yeah, I remember there was a movie I did called Phoebe and Wonderland, and I was nine. It was with Felicity Huffman and Patricia Clarkson and Jill Paulman. >> Yeah, and I played Phoebe, so like my name was in the title and it was about a young girl who had Tourette syndrome.

And I realized it was the first time that I, you know, had to learn about something and portray something in like a sensitive way. >> Yes, I was young, but I realized, oh, there's another layer to acting obviously of like, I have to transform into this person and kind of it's a very specific experience that I don't know that I have to learn about it and I talk to kids that had it and so that was very unique and just to be for the first time like the person who was like number one on the call sheet like I was.

>> Yeah, and go deep like that. Yeah, that's really good. I remember watching what's eating Gilbert Grape and I never even heard of Leonardo.

“>> It's so good. And Leonardo to cap you came out as that character. I was like, oh my gosh, how do they cast that kid?”

>> Yeah. >> Where do you find the kid that kid? And you're like, oh, he did what? That was a part like that blew my mind as I'm sure. >> Yeah, he was so good. What, what, well, so that, that happened. What was the first film when you were kind of on your own?

Like, is it like you really felt like you were an adult and really had agency over you? I mean, you always had agency over the rules and stuff you wanted to do.

>> Or mostly you're just auditioning and you're trying to get the best thing and it just so happens that.

>> So you can't wait for the first thing that you like chose that you picked that you felt like this is, all right, I want to do it.

“I'm going to adult. This is the kind of stuff I want to do. Do you remember? Was there a certain thing?”

So it's so funny because there's also so many different chapters that I can pinpoint of like remembering like I felt like. Somewhere was a film that I did that I auditioned for that I was 11 but that was the first time that people started. >> That's so few of them. >> Somewhere and super eight it was so few as film yes was Stephen Dorf and we filmed the Shaco and super eight that was with JJ Abrams. They were kind of close I was 12 and that but those were the first times I started getting recognized not as Dakota fanning because constantly.

>> I would always get recognized as Dakota and so that was like a there was like kind of stepping stone there and like another chapter.

What is coming to mind with like a role that I chose that really felt like I thought for it was the neon demon this film I did. >> Nicholas winding rough in directed drive right yeah and drive it just come out and it was this I mean it was a crazy. >> Yeah that and that film was was incredibly ambitious to yeah I remember the story around him right after drive to yeah that was awesome and those and the script was you know I was 17. >> When I filmed it and and it was I guess quote unquote I mean I was playing a 17 year old girl but it was kind of the horror that it was intense like it was like again kind of polarizing with the themes it was kind of like the substance in a way like free the substance it was about you know beauty in the modeling industry and.

>> It was kind of extreme but I. I was like I want to do this like I saw something in it and I and obviously me Nick was from drive me was a big you know directed that people wanted to work with and so was a part that a lot of people wanted but it was something that I really like.

“>> Pushed for and I wanted to go there and I think people in the industry I don't know I think it went to can and it you know got booze and then got applause and it was like a whole rising but I enjoyed that that it was not.”

>> Do you see so so so the job obviously of being an actors is playing different people and can I this is going to be a weird question.

>> But like did you find as a kid when you're just learning who you are and becoming who you are did you find it confusing to be asking yourself to be all these different people. >> At a time when you're trying to figure out a question who you are I mean I just I thought that was confusing for me you know we don't become schizophrenics but like you're really trying to be a convincing version of something that you're not. >> Yeah the time when you're trying to figure out who you are so how was that for you.

>> That is really good.

“>> I think I'm completely thought about it out now this is the place to get it out is the moment right here.”

>> I think that. >> I think it can be helpful maybe. >> I think that I hadn't thought about I think yeah I think there was for me acting in the experience I just felt like it was so enriching like there's nothing like for me it's added so much to my life and like expanded my life of getting to also know how to handle yourself like around adults and and and be in those social situations and and go to other countries and experience like it was just kind of. >> It opened my world in a way that it seemed I was like oh this is normal but it's obviously not the normal and then playing characters I mean I'm a real big.

>> I live in my head a lot and I'm a big day dreamer and kind of like my imagination more than reality anyway. >> Yeah so I felt like I found a place that I could expose all those inner thoughts and experiment and and almost put on different types of clothes and different personalities and I did that not so much. >> In my real life but I got to act that out through the characters I played when I was younger so it wasn't confusing it was more like cathartic I guess. >> Right. >> To have an outlet like that.

>> Can you point to any character that you feel that you that you adopted still to this day that's become kind of a a good part of your personal. >> Another great. I've done a lot of work. That's a really good question. >> It wasn't someone that I played when I was younger younger but.

>> Nicholas and yes he played Peter the third and we were married couple and Tony McNamara who wrote the favorite wrote and so it was very you know we had an asterisk that said like this is not historically accurate like before the show. >> Right and like a tongue in cheek way and it was ronchi and definitely not about history. >> Yes really stylized it was in that in the faith in that favorite like tone the rhythm it was very written very we had to be punctuation perfect word perfect and. >> You know it was a real.

>> You know you had to hit the joke yeah it was a real challenge but I felt like Tony was watching me kind of come to my own as a woman.

>> Yeah because I started the first season I was.

19 20 and then we finished when I was 25. >> Wow so a hundred percent my personality was informing what Tony was writing throughout the seasons. >> Catherine was I was absorbing her and. >> To this day I feel like she's the most like me which could be better I mean there's a lot of negative things to her.

“>> You know I she was very messy character and complicated and I think also people sometimes want to put you in a box of.”

>> I mean especially me like you laugh all the time and you know and you and you're naive and you know that is something you know I did Maleficent I played sleeping beauty so I was a Disney princess and so to be able to do this show where I technically was playing in Empress a queen that was that came into the you know. >> The ruling and we had a coup on her husband was she was super young but she was super under estimated but had this really calculating side to her to show all the stuff that's on the.

>> Yeah she was naive and I feel like I kind of I think I do that and yeah so she was like good. >> Yeah yeah yeah well yeah because you're you're a good actor and also like God forbid that when we really know you laugh and positive all the time like that. >> That thing. That thing. I had a little bit of that experience shot it with you watch right. >> I thought you're saying because I feel a lot of that was like well I'm super hairy on the outside that I'm pretty naked and balled on the end. >> I feel a lot of that sure like a real team wolf entered.

>> But Shawney I was thinking that it's a whole thing seeing Shawney you know you do that that the one man show a couple of like there's so much sort of like. >> You know deepness and darkness and at times during that show and you just do it so effortlessly I'm like yeah there's there's the guy underneath all the the warmth in the generosity that you as socially.

“>> You know put forward to people to put them at ease there's like this incredibly deep serious.”

>> Under the dark. >> The only part of the advice that you would walk over to the river because I know you take a cab or you take a book that was that took me out.

>> I don't think you can't have like even in like scripts I always like look for this like you can't have like.

>> Incredible joy without like deep sorrow like it doesn't yet and it's also like any four of us right now talking it's like we have tons and tons and different signs of us that. >> People have seen and people haven't seen and so for people to think that you don't have that right you know is just by default a hollywood thing you know that's like. >> You can never do that because yeah you get to cast for sure. >> Yeah all about it. >> By the way so we did I didn't mention in the in the opener.

>> This your new show that's going to premiere a 24 for apple margo's got money. >> Travels. >> Yeah. >> There's a lot. >> I don't think she has any money.

>> Wait I was this a book. >> I think I read that book. >> Yeah I was not sure. >> That was the one I read.

“>> It had to be the titles very specific.”

>> That's so cool. >> She's a young mom and she doesn't have the cash and so she joins only fans. >> Yes I think this is so cool. >> Yes and it's super it's cool and a lot of.

>> I mean first of all it's got an amazing cast.

>> Yeah and you and your sister produce it as well. >> Right. >> You and your sister have a production company together. >> Yes. >> You and her.

>> That's great. >> That's great.

>> We'll be right back. >> Back to the show. >> I have a dumb dumb question.

We've never read a line together.

We've visited each other on set but we've never done that. Never been on camera together. Other than we're playing her young but we're obviously together. And so yeah we're doing the Nightingale which is a bestselling book by Kristen Hannah. And we're playing sisters and that is sister story in World War Two.

>> Wow that's so cool. >> That'll be huge. >> That'll be huge. >> And we're excited and nervous. >> We'll know a lot about World War Two what we're fortunate of the war we covering.

>> Where are we talking? >> It's the French resistance. >> Oh sure. >> Oh sure. >> Yes.

>> One cigarette. >> The best I think is you got it. That goes to not easy. I leave a bag with explosives. >> We're still casting.

We're still casting. >> Yeah. >> We're still casting. >> We're still casting. >> We're still casting.

>> Yeah. >> We're still casting. >> We're still casting. >> Oh great. I'm so happy that you guys were doing that.

That's so cool. You must be.

“Are you nervous or you excited or are you all of the above?”

>> We are. I think we're we're all of the above. I think it's it's also stepping into the unknown a little bit. And people who've worked with both of us. Say that we work in a very different way.

>> Oh. >> That works really different on set. >> Oh cool. >> Yeah. >> Not bad thing.

>> But we'll see. >> Our energy is very different. >> Do you guys. Do you guys talk every single day? >> Every day.

>> Every day. >> We are unbelievably close. >> Really? >> Hang out. >> We close each other.

>> I love that. >> I love that. >> Wait. We scooted right past your new show. >> I know.

>> So tell us about money. >> Travel. >> Travel. >> There's no ellipse there. >> It just goes right through.

>> Yeah. >> So it's not.

“>> You and the wonderful Michelle fight for whom we adore.”

>> That will just work to it. >> I love her. >> I love Michelle. She's amazing. And her husband David, right?

>> Yes. David is the he wrote the show. >> Yeah.

>> They've never worked together before.

>> They've never. >> This is the first time. >> Wow. >> In this show. >> Yes.

>> A lot of people working together. Who've never worked together. So it's you and Michelle. >> Yeah. >> Nick Offerman.

>> Nick Offerman. >> They're great. >> Nick Offerman. >> Yeah. >> Greg Nick Offerman.

>> Greg Nick Offerman. >> Greg Nick Offerman. >> Greg Nick Offerman. >> Someone you know an unknown Nicole Kidman. >> The cold cloud.

>> Yeah. >> We're rooting for her. >> Yeah. >> The feeling about her. >> Just keep your eye on her.

>> We're competing. >> Jesus. >> That's so great. You must be so excited about the show. I've been talking about how great it is.

>> Oh, that's so nice. I really am. It was also kind of one that. I mean, I was a producer on the great as well. And I.

>> Oh, you were. >> I was.

I was kind of the first time.

I actually got to see behind the scenes of like, you know, pitching a show for the first time. That was the first time I did it on that. And. But this Margo.

Truly feels like from the ground up because it was. I read the book before it was published. And so I had to talk to Ruffy, the. Who wrote the book. And she had to get, you know, it was a real process.

And then we assembled this like dynamic team. And it was a very. And then we went out and and really pitch it hard. And so it just feels like it's definitely this collaboration. But something that I'm.

I don't know. I'm very involved in and I love characters. >> Well, yeah. I think you're going to say probably. I'm sure you're very proud of it.

That process of being there right from the right from the get go. And and sort of shepherding it all the way through. Do you feel. Responsibility. I don't mean that a negative way.

“But do you feel like this like real care for it in that way?”

>> Yeah. I think you do feel this care. And you feel a little bit of pressure because you. It's kind of like exposing your heart and you hope. But that's with everything.

That's everything. I mean, you hope that people. You hope that people like it. Obviously. I mean, a show also takes so much time to film to.

You like that. Do you like that longer involvement. The fact that you're involved with it during. Pitching and developing and pre-production and now and post-production. It's aside from just the filming part of it or having gone through that a couple of times now.

You're like, yeah, maybe I just do like a couple of acting gigs in between to sort of hit and run. Get in, get out. Do you do you do or would you like to do like staying with a project from start to finish and do in the whole thing? I kind of got a taste for it now. I feel like I like the power.

I think something and also being a. That's hilarious. Being like a child actor. I think you also spend a lot of time.

But it is like my origin story.

But you know, being an observer. Like you're cast as the observer who watches the adults do the fun things. Right. And you're also on set.

“I think I've gotten to a place now where I feel very like in myself where.”

I think it also comes from. Okay, like, respect your elders and you don't want to be like, I know too much or I know more than you. But they're just come up point. I think now that I can say, well, no, maybe I do because I've been on set since I was two. Right.

You've got to all this experience. You know, like, you know, how to avert a crisis or how to problem solve and what like I've seen and I really learned on the job. Like I didn't go to school or anything. So I was learning from these directors and they all worked in this vastly different way. So I became very malleable.

You had to be, you know, and. And so I get to put that into the producing process now. And I like an unapologetic way. You have a seed at the table, legitimate to the table. So when you chime in, you don't have to say, oh, sorry. Excuse me.

Exactly. I used to, I definitely used to do that, you know. And I don't so much have to anymore. I really like the post production. I love it.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, then I, my next, my next, my next favorite question always is,

"Well, do you see directing in your future?" Well, since you've got so much set experience. I know, it's such a cliche. Everyone's like, oh, yeah, I want to be a director.

“I think everybody wants to, I mean, it's not a cliche.”

But in any occupation, you want that promotion. You want to be able to use what you've been learning. And that usually lives in the job that's just above you. You know, you're constantly learning more about the process. And, and so with directing it, it allows you to use everything you've been, obviously,

taking a look at and absorbing and observing. Yeah, I've dreamed about that for a long time. Even since I was young, like, and I would write a lot. I don't so much do it as much anymore. But it was, you know, my favorite always in school and coming up with stories and things.

And so I know that that's in my future, but I don't think it's in my near future. Yeah, it's there. Yeah. Well, speaking about your near future, what, what are you, what are you doing when you're not? I mean, you're constantly working.

Yeah, this year's been, this year and last year was really, uh, insane, but I always knew that I'm such a freak. I, I love the number five. And so I do see that's my favorite number. Oh, my favorite number.

Yeah. Yeah.

And, uh, we, I just felt like 20, 25 was, always.

I'd planned, like, I did certain things when I was 15. Like, because the number five, like, I've planned a lot of stuff. Why five? Why five? I feel like it's an even number, although it's an odd. Because it's in the middle of all the numbers.

It's like, one, two, one. It's very solid. I like that. Yeah. I like that.

So you, uh, I like the number five, too. I love it. What do you like, Sean? What do you like? I like three.

Yeah. I kind of like three, too. Yeah. As well. Yeah.

So then, yeah, what's Sean? I don't know if I even answered, like, what the heck did I just say? I was talking about. I was asking a question. I'm like, yes.

I really like the number five. Yeah. Weird. What are you saying? And my sister and her friend Chloe,

they are going to listen to this.

“That's why I'm like, my butt cheeks are like clinched.”

I'm like, no. Because they love the show. Wow. We love you guys. And they went to Dakota right before.

She's like, you'd about to do smart lesson. But she actually, I was like, I'm nervous. She's like, no, it's just a conversation. Yeah. We're just hanging out.

We're all just hanging out. Well, hello to them both. Yeah. But Sean was saying, like, about the future. Like, you're working so much.

What do you do? Have you carved out some like nonwork time in your future? Yeah. You know, I guess I got to get better at doing that. But also, I'm not.

I don't think I'm too, I'm just so, I don't. I want to do it all. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? What are you going to do?

What's your favorite thing to do? Oh, my God. Her Tracy, that's your boyfriend. Yes, that's my boyfriend for Tracy. We love going on trips.

He has actually been a really nice guy. He is such, well, we're very similar in a lot of ways. Because he's also extremely extroverted. And he's able to really ground me and also. He kind of carves out the time for me.

And I'm like, I don't even realize it. But like, okay, let's, we're going to do this weekend away. We're going to drive to Santa Barbara. We're going to set up this trip. And it's just not, I'm not great at.

Organizing. I don't. And I'm good at organizing in my. Like, with scheduling with work. Like that, I'm, I'm very honored.

And that's kind of all I think about. And so then he kind of turns me away to also think about this other things. It's a really, it's a spectacular. We call the anchors. They've scotty the anchor.

I mean, everybody needs an anchor.

I mean, fuck it. I don't comment. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, fuck it.

I mean, fuck it. I mean, fuck it. I mean, fuck it. Scotty the anchor. Everybody.

I'm trying. I'm trying to do that.

But also we're extremely ambitious.

Like both of us.

“of us. And so I think it's also, I'm like, yeah, you go do your thing and I go do mine.”

It's like, you don't have to come follow me to that. Come visit, but also, you know, you don't, I don't need you just like sitting in the trailer. It's like, I know that's boring. You don't want to do that. So, you know, we're, you know, we're, he's a nice, I've met, I've met your guess a few times over the years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's great. So, what, but what do you do like on a day like today? Right. And, and mixed all this stuff you're doing. You're, I mean, right now. Yeah. Like, I'm constantly doing press and screenings and meet and greet and getting ready to work and prepping and blah, blah, blah. What do you do today? What do you do today? If you have the afternoon? Like, what are you going to do? What makes you happy to carve out for you?

Gosh. Well, you said, everything flows like I get into modes of like, okay, now I'm like, I love working out or I love doing this. So, I'm going to go to Pilates and do this and then, and it's like all or nothing for me. So, I'm not in that phase right now. What about like arts and crafts? I have a cooking thing. Yeah. That's insane. Yes. I love painting and drawing and like that is in me. Yeah. But it's not, I got to do it more. Like, I think about, I think about it.

I'm like, you know what? If I had like a painting room or something, I would be so happy, but it also feels too hard.

Yes, I'm setting it up. You know, my dream is, all of my dream is to have somebody come or by the way, I did this once. I had somebody come over, this is years and years and years ago with some friends. We got totally stone. We all smoke pot.

“And then some woman came up with seven sewing machines and we all made pillows. Like stone dot of our mind and we just made pillows. And like, that's what we need to do. Right?”

We need to have somebody come over to teach us like, hey, I want to paint. Can you just set some stuff up for me and I'll paint. And then we did it. See, if someone else sets it up for me, I'm not sure if it's set up for me. It's like, oh, got to go to this class that I will do it because I can also, I'm like, oh, no, I don't want to stand up that teacher. That's right, that's right. You know, it's like a drama vacation. Yeah. If it's just me alone, then I sit on my computer and I watch traitors say, I've seen every episode of every.

Oh, I'm watching so well, obviously, we're watching the world now domestic one. Yeah, there's a bread. There's a New Zealand or Australian, whatever. Yeah. It was the English one, the first one. Yeah, the English one was the first one. It's like a survivor type of thing, right? Yeah.

Yeah, it's like mafia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Have we used to play that, JB? Sure. Yeah, you're a great leader. Yeah, I always said to do it.

Any of y'all watch it? I mean, I want Rob to win. I want Rob to win, too, because he's so clever. I know, and I always, I always want the traitors to win. Yeah, always. Yeah. I'm always like that. I also just started the celebrity UK, which I know is I'm a little late too.

“Yeah, I'm loving it. But do you know who won that? Because I just thought, okay, I won't. Do you have a guest? Do you have a guest?”

See, I feel like everyone is on to them really quickly. Yeah. So I just can't see that. I mean, Kat, I like Kat a lot. Kat's great. So she possibly, I feel like an Allen, I love Jonathan. I love them. But I just don't, they're all seem to be on them, unless they get particular people out. I think Kat and Allen could go. It's a very satisfying ending. Oh, good. Okay. Good. Yeah, my mom watches it, too, and she was like, you're gonna love this. She's like, it's a great thing. Yeah. But I love reality TV. So I just been, I'm like, okay, I sit.

I also have TVs in my home. Yeah. I don't turn them on. I only watch on my computer. Oh, okay. So they're just decoration or yeah. I don't, they don't need to be here. It's so weird. And I have a giant computer that is heavy and old, and I just can't get rid of it. What the screen is so big. I'm on it right now. And like the tech check this morning. I was like, guys, I don't mean, why are you sent? It's very, very big. Yeah, it's a time. Yeah, I worked out.

Yeah. Oh, well, I was paused here. Well, did you want to double back on Sean's pillow party? Oh, right. I did. I just, the visual alone, uh, >> Yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

- All right, we're the light. Just to the light, El.

- You're so happy to have you. I mean, you're just, you're such an impressive actor

and you've done so many amazing things.

So happy for your new show. Margo's got money troubles. - Yes, I'll say money. - Money. - Come on.

- Trapped troubles. - Money that troubles. - Pause troubles, troubles. Listen, we're just, it's just such a great, you just bring such positivity and you're amazing

and we're just gonna end it. - I could talk to you all day long. - Okay, you got, I feel the same, I feel the same. And my favorite part, I just got to say this 'cause the best part on the dock is when you're worried

that ordering the surf and turf is too extravagant is unbelievable. - But I didn't get it.

“- I think going, oh, do we go long on that?”

I mean, I got the best. So when I meet a pick me up, like I turn,

I watch that on TikTok, like, and I think a lot of people do.

I think it is a thing, but it's free. - A little bite. - Yeah, yeah, well, thank you, my dear. - Yeah. - All right, thanks for doing this.

- We love you with the rest of your day. - Thank you. - Thank you, well. - Thank you. - Bye, guys.

This was so fun. - Bye, bye, bye, bye. - Bye, bye, bye, bye. - Thank you for having me on. - You got it, thanks.

- Hello, party. - Oh, Sean. - Yeah. - Wow. - Well, guys, what's your, what's your, dude?

And I, you know, and we got all this big bag of weed. What do you think? We just go crazy and call that gal with the sewing machine. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- Yeah. - I was sweet, bro. - Remember, remember, uh-huh. - Yeah.

“- And what you want to do with this sewing machine?”

- What's my pillows? - Yeah, we all make pillows. - This is why I know. - You know what I'm really cool? We should go and pick, this is, this is on the night, right?

- Yeah, you're Sean going. - You know what we should do, we should go, bitch. - It's a celebrity sweatshop, right? (laughing) - We all, we all make pillows.

- Wait, so, that's, I was a fan. - I was a fan. - I mean, what a wonderful human being. - So in present, she is a wonderful human being.

She's got great energy, she's always,

she's always just positive and cool. - She was exactly as I, always hoped she would be. - Yeah, and then just does all this incredible work, constantly doing different stuff. I mean, it's just amazing, she's got one of the new,

she's in one of the new, what are those, you know, the thing that I'm talking about? - Oh, Harry comes. - No, no, no, no, no, no, it's a hunger game. She's in the new hunger games as well.

- Oh, she is? - Yeah. - She's not fire, she's amazing. - Oh, she totally didn't fire. And I can't wait to see Marcus get money troubles.

- I know that book was really good.

“- I love that you forgot, oh, I think I read that book.”

- I know. - Well, how do you read a book in an hour or something? - And I know, I read like three or four of my life, that was one of them. - And so even though you forgot the one of them.

- I know. - Well, I'm asking you a month and a half to read a book. I'm not gonna read it, if I read the book. - Thanks a lot. - Well, how long does it take you to read it,

like an adult book? - Well, I've been reading a lot lately, like the last two weeks, I'm on my fourth book in the last two weeks. - Wow.

- Yeah. - When do you, when do you, when are you doing this? - At night, sometimes you're in the day if I've timed down in the day, or for an hour or whatever.

- So, how many pages will you read before you knock off? 60 pages? - Depends on how tired I am, yeah. - Yeah, but like sometimes you get in 10, 15 pages and you're just, eyes right.

- Right, but usually it's about a half hour reading and then you're sleeping. - Yeah, and I do a lot of reading during the day, too, on my, sometimes in the morning, I'll wake up when, if I'm up early.

- And then you enjoy it, you just enjoy it. I like reading about things I like to read about. - I get excited, but if you send me a book about, like, I don't know, like, what, motorcycle driving. - Sure, I don't know what that would be called.

- Motorcyclingly, you know what it would be, good to read about would be. - What? - Bicycle, all right. (laughing)

- Well, that was good, that was good. - Bye! - Smart. (upbeat music) - Smartless is 100% organic

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