"Nick Jonas"

Good morning from both coasts. We're recording from both coasts there.

Jason still, are we going to take a look at the weather first?

Are we going to take a look at the weather first? Are we going to take a look at the weather first? Are we going to take a look at the weather first? You know what we're going to look at the weather first? You know what we're going to look at the weather first?

We're going to look at the weather right after this wonderful episode of Smart Let's Go. [MUSIC] Good morning everybody. Oh, I'm sorry, you're about to launch into something? No. Hi.

It's like good morning. Good morning. Everyone, Sean, remember one Sean used to have a bunch of talking points per part of the cup. I always do.

“I haven't today, if you want to hear really?”

Yeah, you haven't written down on a piece of paper. I jot it down a couple of things that happen. Does Nick do it, does Nick do it? No, I do it. Huh.

Just right before we sign on. Discardy ever recommend or suggest. Hey, you don't want to be fun for you guys talk about tomorrow. Ever? No, not really, no.

All right, so what are the hot topics today?

No, let's go over a hot topic for sure.

Wow, what do you want to go on there? So my sister was here, you know? Yeah, the Tracy listener, the Tracy not only exists, but she had a little stay at Sean's house. Yeah.

And Jay, you called and she talked to her and you too were spooning, right? I mean, spooning and bad. Yeah. You just got it down. You haven't even heard about that.

No, you guys were, we're kind of like, that's fun. That's fine. We could use, you know, what? We could use more cuddling in this world. We could.

And maybe a little less gum. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck.

I know it's hard to remember because, you know, we do these like a week apart, and you forgot a lot in six days. It's difficult. Is there like a nicotine cream?

“What about if you found like a cream, you could just put on your shoulders or something?”

Yeah, what about? Yeah. Yeah. It's like like like a testosterone cream. Oh, yeah.

Good. And I've read about. Yeah. I don't think so. I've heard about that too.

No. Yeah. I don't. It's not working. I need to do a few more clicks.

So Seany. Yeah. So Tracy is here. And we watched the documentary. You guys got to see this.

It's called Trust Me, the False Profit. Wait. Is this the one about the woman? Yes. Somebody told me about it.

Well, no. It's not about the moment. It's about the fundamentalist church of Latter Day Saints. Isn't that? Yeah.

Which is an extension of. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. So Sam Bateman. Yes.

That's right. I thought of you. Oh, but you did. Yeah. I don't know if there's a relation there.

But I would guess that there is. I mean, our family is, is out of Utah. So I mean. No.

“That was your, that was probably your first tip, I guess, huh?”

Yeah. Was that kind of guy going in that direction? I'm not an experienced investigator. But those are two hot dates name and location. Nothing gets past you, dude.

It's a real name and location. So how is Sam doing? Jason. Yeah. I have not spoken to him for years.

No. I have no idea. I haven't seen him. It's the family read. But Amanda did actually just this morning say that she finished it.

And she said it's really worth watching that it lands the plane very well. Yeah. It's sad and fascinating and all those things. It's great. Well, you know, there's a statement that runs through that great John Crack hour book that

I optioned and produced that under the banner of heaven under the banner of heaven. It's a great read.

If you've never read it, it's a great read.

Yeah. It's really tragic. But there's a statement that goes through that. And I bet he's relayed. Did you guys mate?

You made that, right? We did. Yeah. Yeah. Our field plays a lead in that.

Yeah. How was on FX? Great. Yeah. Be on the title.

How was it? Yeah. Oh, I got to see that. No. I never saw that.

I do want to see that. I loved that book. Yeah, that book is. That story. What's it up like generally in a second one sentence?

There's 250 pages, probably? These brothers kill another brother's child and wife because they say they got a sign from up above. Oh, that's not fun. It's not a fun.

It's not a fun. Wait, based on a true story. Yeah. Yeah. It's a full true story.

Yeah. Yeah. Every other chapter, it's telling the linear birth and progression of the religion of Mormonism. And I can see how well you can make your own decisions about others.

And then they sort of breaks that down in his way.

“But either way, wherever you land on it, it is kind of--I thought it was an excellent”

book. He's got crackers. Some else. Yeah. Yeah, that.

Oh, Sean, sorry. One more story. We're going to skip to the next topic. Sorry. No.

Have you ever done this one? Sorry. You're watching the doc. Are you reading? You can't be--you just can't be yourself in the moment.

Sure. What it is? No. Totally. By the way, every day.

I'm sad. You were just going to make a recommendation for media. Yeah. And also, I saw--not that we're talking about documentaries. Okay.

I finally saw the Apocalypse Domestic. Oh, yeah. The AI documentary. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That was wild. So, where do you think, are you--are you a bullish-- I can't be pessimistic about-- Yeah.

I can't be pessimistic. I can't. I can't. Right.

“I have to believe just so I can get through every day that AI and us will work together,”

and AI is not going to destroy the world. Yeah. That mankind will do the right thing when--when presented with an option to use this incredible technology for good or for bad.

I always believe humanity will win out in the end.

[laughter] Hey, guys. You know-- It's so good. Speaking of humanity.

I-- I tell you about humanity. You know, I--I--I--I--I--I--I bet you get to the intro. It's still me. No, sorry.

Wait, Sean. You had one more bullet point or not. That was just a cultural-- Oh, Sean, we should mention it. Just our little--our little side menu--our little side thing, which is Sean's menu.

Which is becoming our new-- It's our new-- It's our new-- It's our new feature called Sean's menu. Last night, Jason and I got received a text in the chat.

And a picture of the beginnings of a beginning of a Smorz extravaganza on Monday night. Yeah. Not like fully dark out yet, though. Not fully--not fully dark.

Not in a beach setting. Not on a vacation around a campfire. Just a Monday night. Just a Monday night. Just a Monday night.

Yeah. Yeah. Regular dessert. It was a dessert-- dessert was at 615, by the way.

I've got you going. [laughter] And it was--and it was elegantly laid out on a plate with proper ratios of grand crackers, chocolate, and mushroom-- Not mushrooms.

Sorry. Marshmallows. They're on the plate. Yeah. Very dignified.

Yeah.

“Like this is your--your Smorz kit that the chef laid out for you?”

No, I don't know. I did it myself. I was all alone. Scottie was out of town. I was all alone ahead.

So-- That was just for you. That was just for me, yeah. And I had four in a row. But wait, this is--this is the hack.

This is the Smorz hack. Oh, yeah, tell us. I take the chocolate, and I microwave it. So it's more like a sauce. Yeah.

And then I pour the sauce onto the marshmallow. Oh, you think there's that, mother? Yeah, so you're just--not like you're just biting it like a sauce. Wait, just stuff it. Why don't you just stuff it all in your mouth,

and then hop it a sauna. And just let it go. [laughter] Okay. All right.

Wait, that's not a bad idea. All right. What are you doing? Are you making swears? [laughter]

I'll keep going there to lose some weight. John goes in there, but-- Really dive into the sweets. [laughter] Or to reheat any sort of food.

You'll just walk in there with his plate. Sucking hell, man. Unbelievable. The feet. Why waste the wattage?

Well, while you were doing that, I'll say this. Our guest, Sean, you're like this. He started performing on Broadway at the age of seven. Really funny. Okay?

Yeah. And Broadway, and his continued on and off on Broadway,

amongst the other amazing things he's done,

which I've been had multiple number-one albums, chart-topping singles in a grill. And also as a solo career. Huge act, man. An incredible acting credits across film, TV,

big studio movies, prestige, TV, then returned to Broadway, the denominator for Golden Globes, had like global tours, hoached on the voice. Okay?

Built to career that goes that went from teen idol to serious actor to legitimate musician all the way through, which is not. It's how it happened. Okay?

He's got his new record came out. February 6th, Sunday Best. Marking his first solo project in nearly five years. Please welcome to the show, Nick Jonas, you guys. Nick.

Come on. You look nothing like hell, man. Well, give it time. Give it time. It's a whole load.

Hey, guys. Nick, let's see you. This feels overdue.

That was great. Yes. Nick and I just saw you. I saw you. I saw you at the Golden Globes.

I know. That was so lovely.

“We were backstage at the holding room for the presenters.”

My wife was presenting a guy. It's not a big room. It's not a big room. It's not a big room. That's one of the one of the bleakest,

most depressing rooms in Hollywood. Yeah. Yeah.

You always walked in and out.

Wait too small. The ceiling floor. I did enjoy listening to you guys rehears though. It was the master class and bit. Or us.

You guys watched the bit. It went viral after. It was great. What did we, do we honestly rehearse? You don't remember.

We did. Yeah. Just for timing. Just for timing. Just for timing.

Just for timing. Just for timing. Just for timing. Just for timing. Just for timing.

You got to do it. Did you didn't you think that Jason could shoot a spoken up? He was a little soft on that one line that if I if we were still rolling I'd go back and raise the volume a little bit. Yeah, because you were turned away the attitude was great and the performance was great We just needed to hear it better. Oh, cheers, man. You know, he's a left-er. It was great. I loved it Cheers

Thanks for having me guys. Yes, what a man of the pod dude. It is so overdue. It's it's so overdue that you're here and and at like I said in the intro As you go back and you look at all the stuff you've done from such a young age and how much incredible success You've not just had but continued to have it's remarkable, man. It's so It's so singularly like that is so tough to do and it's really

It's a really attribute to your talent. It's unbelievable. It's just that you've always at everything you've done

You've excelled and you've managed to sort of keep it you know you've done top rated stuff and that and I wonder for you Do you Starting young like that did you feel pressure like I got to keep this going did you ever feel that pressure starting starting so young

“I think to a certain degree. Yeah, but you know, I started it as you mentioned before in Broadway as a kid”

Was lucky enough to do a few shows and then I was actually a family friend That that hurt at that song. Oh, is it sound bad? No, no family friend those stories never really go well I'm on set right now. I'm struck behind me. So this one does go well family friend he also happened to be our chiropractor My dad he's like look you know, I know Nick recorded the song. I love to play it for this guy who works at Sound of music room. Did you ever ask you to just relax

Thankfully thankfully not But you know started recording and and then we got signed as a trio me and the brothers and I think you know because we had we had sort of early in our career Had had a big failure our first album did not do well. We got dropped by our first label. Oh No, it took it took you know us finding a home with with Disney and our partners there to kind of really Step into the next phase and I think that resilience came from that early perceived failure right right right

Well, that's yeah, I mean did you have am I right about the first of all? I read somewhere that I don't you tell me it was true that that you were first discovered by like a Talent manager or push towards one when you were at like a barber shop like getting a haircut or something

I was a hair salon my mom. Yeah, I was I was six and I was always singing

You know before I was even talking and she was getting her hair done. I grew up in Jersey and so we're known for our hair salon's diners bowling alleys and And yes, she was getting her hair done. I was just I was singing the woman next to her said hey my son is

“Gavrosh on Broadway. I think your son could do it. She goes see this talent manager”

So we went in to go see Shirley Grant what was it was a gate moderato about any chance didn't he play Gavrosh on Broadway? No, he he played Gavrosh later than than I did I think okay. I did it early 2000s But Basically when to this talent manager's office and I'm surely grant recipes Shirley. She's got a her walls line with like you know head shots of little actor kids weird actor kids who look you in the

I shake your hand really intense She started sending me on on the issues and that was kind of the start to to my run doing doing shows and that's so nuts You played Gavrosh and I played Gavrosh who's Gavrosh? I'm a barrister say I don't know He's the he's the the kid that that basically is the kind of narrator for for the the second chapter of the story of basically when Bauchon if you've seen Lemons of Lemons of Lemons

He's the it's the only kid in the whole spoiler alert. He gets shot in the head and he gets killed

Snap of the head back and guys. Yeah, I think I've I've bored bored you guys with my little house in a

“Prairie story of getting shot first time in your house. No, no, I've never heard it. I was taught what was I 10 10 or 11 something like that first got there shooting a lot of kids in these”

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First pick first pick gig

I I'm playing this this kid Me and my older brother we walk into a to a bank there in the little western town and it's in the middle of getting robbed But we don't know that we walk in dating the door chime goes and the bankrivers turn around and see these two Let's get any fires and it's me right in the chest or the lag or whatever the hell it is We shoot the rehearsal Michael Andons directing this episode. We shoot the rehearsal so

So I get shot and I throw myself against the wall I slide down the wall and when I get to the floor. I start shaking and quivering like one does Because you know you all you can see is in the movies in a TV and then I I slowly expire And and all I hear is total silence my eyes are closed on the floor and and I just hear Michael landing go

“Okay, we're gonna cut and he walks slowly over to me. I still have my eyes closed”

I'm still in and so they and he whispers and we are okay We're gonna do another one in this time. I'm gonna want you to just collapse on the floor On you just slowly just collapse and quietly Expine here. We go everybody back I was so modified and embarrassed. I mean, I was just

You know vibrating and and throwing myself sure Sure God bless you Jay. You know that feeling it so so so you do like you're gonna say after gap you you say after Gabros you play Oh, yeah, so I did my first show. I did a Christmas caro which is kind of a seasonal show Technically not a Broadway show, but Annie get your guns my first show with Reba McIntyre

I did it with Franklin Jella actually was pretty incredibly played scrooge. I was actual character name scrooge at eight

“And I was the understudy I was the understudy for Tiny Tim and in the eight years that this show had run”

That it never had a Tiny Tim cover have to go on so they just didn't bother rehears the Tiny Tim covers

Yeah, and the the year I did it you know again my dad gets a call and they say hey Next gonna go on for Tiny Tim today We got to get you here an hour before the show did to put in so I I rush over to the theater and and Basically run the five scenes that Tiny Tim has in the two songs And you know thrust thrown out there for the the opening

Kind of song and Literally my mind goes blank 16 bars. I've just Silence yeah, as the music's playing this really intimidating conductors there look me in the eye and it was a good in entryway into life theater You know shit happens. You just go roll with it But as an eight-year-old I was pretty mortified

Scrooge it eight would be a good title for autobiography if you ever decided to write one I don't write that down actually. It's a good way I did that did that did that instill a fear in you about performing Going forward Well the conductor came up to me after and I was expecting him to sort of scold me or something like a teacher would instead of you

He came down on my level and he said things happen. He just got to keep going next time Yeah, he said we're just gonna drop to the floor Yeah Just a lot Reset and

You're gonna collapse and an expire. I actually I wonder if if you're hearing you say that and and Sean your question

I wonder if it had the opposite effect of having that you kind of mentioned like your first record wasn't the hit that you

It didn't go well that you had that experience at eight on Broadway in a lot of ways it probably galvanizes you and because if you can kind of get through that at such a young age Yeah, right in in a lot of ways you kind of go like well fuck I've done that already Like you know, otherwise you're waiting for that moment your whole life like when is gonna be the time that I'm gonna completely bottle it in the in the moment, you know Yeah, and I've had a few of those too

Moments that that certainly didn't go the way I hoped but yeah, I do think that that early those early experiences helps kind of create a foundation That led to me not losing it. Yeah. Yeah What about the things that went way better than you thought they were going to go

at an early age like for instance, you know

Even at an age where you might like you're just starting to like get all crazy about girls and like has Is that sort of thing of now that you're you're an adult and you have you've you've managed to weather the transition between sort of like T-Niedle into into an adult, you know a professional actor performer etc You know how how does all that stuff kind of transition for you and you're in your head about you know How much of it is real how much of it is just part of the job or what do you do with all that sort of like

That ego surplus and you know because it's all kind of junk food to a certain extent and like you got to figure out

Where to place it all right? I guess it's great question. I mean, I always think it's funny when people frame

“An answer this way so for so forgive me for doing it, but I think”

You know one of the biggest misconceptions about us and odd to acknowledge your own perceived misconception But it was was that because we worked with Disney and the core of our demo was you know primarily teens That you know, there's no way this music came from an honest source or or that it came from us even right right And it was a really bizarre thing to sort of you know being a spot where at 1314 years old I was I was experiencing all the things you're talking about first love first heartbreak real big

You know human emotions that I was able to Put into song in a way that spoke directly to that audience and When you ask about like what what's something I thought when incredibly right it would be that the fact that

Our dad raised us on this this this great bed of of classics

We discovered our own kind of sound and and found our own voice creatively and I had this this outlet that both helps me process These big feelings but also Connected in a way that that frankly now you know we play these songs 20 years later as men and dads and husbands in our 30s. It's even more resonant with the audience because they've grown with us Yeah, and tracking that over time has just been the most

fascinating thing and and pretty pretty Special to be out, you know And we will be right back

And now back to the show

“You mentioned that in your your dad raising on those those classics and musically like so what was that?”

Who is the person did they discover that oh that you had a talent from music that they kind of came from your or your parents? Were they musical in that way like was that something that they Came from them Yeah, our dad is a really gifted musician. He He's a pianist a vocalist and he was actually a pastor

When we first started we lived in Dallas for a bit where I was born and and The mood to Jersey and he became a senior pastor at this this church there and and

Music was always a part of our life and and you know

I think my my latest album Sunday a best came out February it really kind of Musically speaking not so much but Lyrically but musically touches on some of those early musical roots in the church but the thing is that that he also

“Really educated us on everything else the you know”

B.G.s the Beatles Stevie Wonder Carole King all the greats and We had you know a real sort of deep dive musical education By way of those hour long drives from our house in Wycoff and Jersey to the city to go perform and and shows there and Eventually, you know, we we left the church or or were sort of pushed out because our music wasn't

Christian music right so some of the the people in leadership there were were upset about that and and thought that we were Signing But we took a different path Yeah, it's okay you shot it was okay. Yeah, no, I got so I can show you what I'm talking about the time that you wake off in New Jersey Okay, listen

To start yeah But that's so so you had all this music and that you start and then you start acting and you have Sicily gone back and seamlessly back and forth between the two and and sometimes the marriage of the two and in in Musical like on Broadway and then yeah, and then and then and then doing serious acting roles and doing all that stuff and is there one I mean you don't have a lane you have you're occupying multiple lanes at the same time

And how do you approach it? Do you have like an approach like well now this year I want to spend more time making music or do it or does it just kind of flow It just kind of flows and as of course you you all know that the lead time for a film or TV project is it's so much longer You know, then then then the turnaround time we can have in music

You know, but there's so many people that have to wait and to you know how something gets made On the film and TV side which is something that it's sort of new for me. You know on the development side of things and

I always love hearing you guys talk about your process with development and and and

You know kind of what that's been like because the last I'd say six years Kind of during in post-COVID Outside of touring and music and all that that's been a really exciting thing is to to sort of do my best to To forge a path where I am a little bit more in the driver seat than I've been in the past Yeah, I've been really fortunate to be a part of some great projects

But when you can start to develop things That you feel like are the right next steps for you and you're you're more in a sort of position to to make decisions It's a really empowering thing. How are you finding your you're like just to sort of follow up further on Will's question there like are

“When what what do you what do you find is drawing you more towards acting at times and what's putting you more in a music mood?”

Is it you know as it? My name is like yeah, I mean, but the right there are certain draw like I guess the question behind it all is is what it? What is the difference in creative fulfillment that you find between acting and music you know what is what's what's touching you you know in your in your in your most core place Versus some other place. I don't know

Yeah, I think that honestly be becoming a father we have a four-year-old That really changed everything for me as a as a creative

Both on the music side in and as an actor and I've always loved acting and and I've kind of

bounce between you know things like You know jumanji for instance, which is very big and fun, exciting and incredible cast And then smaller things you know that the one million dollar movie right the thing that that you just kind of grind and and I love both and think that that it's it's an amazing to kind of have that

that range and on the music side you know the driver is the fans truly and I'm not just saying that it's it's it's bizarre to get to do anything for as long as we've we've now been fortunate enough to do especially with the way it kind of began you know with with there is a

teen fans or that sort of heartthrob label can can be a challenging thing to to step out of

“And I think my my our daughter and and the experience that I'm having with her”

have me way more connected to the words I'm saying no matter what they are and kind of my my world view and everything else So I can't really say one thing is is more inspiring or exciting but but actually looking at the world through horizon as sense gives me just a better perspective and a deeper you know sort of angle on what I want to be doing well and you've also had the you know part of your experience has been a big part of it on and off has been

continued to work with family right to work with your brothers on and off I mean that that's a very that's also very unique and in addition to your solo work as a musician and then your solo work if you will as as an actor going from project to project one of the sort of the one of the throughlines has been has been what you've created with with your brothers and I wonder is is that something that you like

is that something that feels good as as a sort of a steady thing that's always there that you can

kind of lean on that that idea of that family and you guys doing that stuff together what's that experience like yeah it's it's it's incredible gets to do you know anything with with the people you love and and his share and and those experiences and you know we we also had a moment where it wasn't good you know we've had that that chapter of the journey too where we had to basically say let's let's not do the music together anymore work together so that the family at you know the table

“can can still all be there and love each other and and you know I think it took us sort of going”

through that that season and coming out the other side in a healthy way yeah because you guys went through like a you know the period and in everyone's life of change that happens between the ages of like 15 and 20 is massive you know like and that was the you guys were just tied

both good and bad there are times you I look up and I look at folks who who went through similar

experiences to us who who were on sort of a solo journey yeah and didn't have that built in support system because we would check each other too you know which was which was important to the dynamic and also be a shoulder to lean on when there was when there was tough times and and frustrating situations to navigate yeah I mean you want to change so much right during those years you kind of like you try on these little outfits I mean I will we're seeing it with our kids right during those ages like

you're kind of like you're kind of flexing a little bit seeing like kind of like what kind of

“young adult you want to become and if you've constantly got a sibling there that's why siblings”

fights so much is like you're always calling each other bullshit you know unlike oh to stop with

the face or with nice nice outfit or what's going on here yeah I was thinking about I was thinking about this with us like as you were saying it and obviously it's it's very different but the three of us Nick in this way have you're like we yeah we've been friends for a long time we were like we're settled into who we're gonna be yes but at the same time we we check each other all the time I face time with both of you yesterday yeah I was gonna do this thing and the

other on Thursday and Jason's like you gotta pick off me I'm leaving I'm going into York you have to move that thing because I'm leaving I'm not gonna be able to play for worms like okay and I called the guy I was gonna do with I go I have to go because Jason's leaving and I have to

“play golfing in the day before he leaves and he goes I think it's so sweet that you guys still”

want to hang out with each other and I didn't even record to me yeah but I get it like they you guys are my constant in that way like you're my thing that we come back and get to do this together in that same way and we so I can kind of relate to that it's different again and you also you guys probably is fiercely protective as we are about maintaining the harmony because it does take some diligence we don't talk to each other about like you know the effort I made to avoid

a conflict with you like no you gotta take care of that shit internally and make sure that you're being the right partner to keeping everything like any family yeah like any family any relationship you got to do your part yeah and you got to also talk a decent amount of shit to the people you love it's a level you have which would you guys have in spades yeah wait Nick is there is there anything as far as your music goes I was thinking about this when Will was kind of touching on

this too and you're speaking about it is there anything how do you determine of your personal life what to share in a public form through art you know what I mean yeah uh it's good question there there are things that you that I that's either stop clock tells the right time yeah no he's got nominations so back it up yeah he sure does interviewer of the year yeah I don't think did he win he did not win he did not win he did not win he did not win

no he did not win he didn't win until it got to the co-host uh version of the evaluation right we won congrats there are things that I that I feel you know ours are probably better to just keep private you know and yeah or find a different way to say it but I I have lived a lot of my life you know in the public eye right so yeah no shit it would be odd to not acknowledge some of the things that are all right so you're right these lyrics you know that

you you I mean a writer only writes what a writer knows so I'm assuming that uh your your feelings your emotions your your stories come from your life experience and then oftentimes you want to sort of explore this through a song but you're afraid the public might sniff out who that person might be so you kind of change a name maybe even change a gender change who you are change the right or make it a metaphor right like all of a sudden it's about two two dogs in a park

or what like right what an imagination yeah thank you better so is there a little bit of like a concoction going there sometimes when you're when you're writing out lyrics there is yet and you know are you ever puppy or a kitty that's actually what the entire next album is about yeah but

“truly yeah must be hard to decide how to do that yeah I mean I think that it's always fun to”

think of of a different way to to say a thing and to you know to throw a metaphor in there but

all but also you know to just say the truth is is so empowering and instead of like they're just sniffing

but this is never going away yeah I mean have you ever had well then then conversely like have you

“ever written a song and then had questions about it or have felt like people misinterpreted like”

they think that it's about something you're like oh no it's not about that that that has happened a few times and then the other thing that that happens is that you know in the year 2026 there's only so many notes left yeah yeah yeah we first started putting music out and the early 2000s on any given you know Friday release day there would be anywhere from 30 to 50 new releases there are now thousands three to 5,000 somewhere in there releases oh my god every Friday

of no no no no artists yeah yeah I mean there's just so much music out there which isn't

both incredible and we we love that there's so many people that are creative and and that

there is you know new pathways for people to independently release music all these things but the landscape has just changed so much and so as writers we have to adapt as well and musicians you know you've got to find a new way to cut through and this is this is it's 3,000 to 5,000 now and then in a couple years you're going to have all the AI groups releasing stuff like labels or probably just have certain groups that are fully AI right how do you feel about that

of you this one goes out to my mother have you played around with like just get like a first draft of a of a song or like whether it's lyrics or melody to see what AI can give you on just just on just a first pass that you then would change to make your own I mean the any kind

“of art I think AI I hear can give you a first sort of pass at it as opposed to because the”

hardest thing is creating something out of nothing right and I so about 25 years ago or whatever it was 30 years ago probably not that far back let's call it 25 it on the exact facts there's the introduction of auto tune right into the music making process tell Tracy what that before that they were literally little tricks you could do to basically take the pitch of a singer and just bring it slightly back in tune so that it just sounded better right and then there's compression which is

another tool that's used so as as you know modern music making much like film and and TV started using the technology available to them it evolved it changed and it became a part of the process you know to where now hearing a song without auto tune to your ear would probably sound odd or just slight pitch correction rough rough or you know unfinished or raw or more real or more real exactly my thing as it relates to the AI conversation and and the creative process is that

it is inevitable that this thing that is available to everybody will be used in some way

“and they will both be good and bad examples of how it's used but I I believe that the”

lived experience the human experience cannot be replicated and certainly you know songs about dogs sniffing each other's butts in the park could only come from from great minds human mind right right so but it's it's a really interesting conversation because it's happening you know in the circles I run in LA with other songwriters and you know and script screenwriters and it's it's it actually and this isn't like bring up the thing but I I have this movie coming with

Paul Rudd in June which is all about my character basically effectively as artists he's a sort of former pop star boy van artist who is in a crossroads in his career he wants to go about next level and he meets Paul in a happen stance situation at a wedding that Paul's wedding bands playing at and and basically I steal I like it already I steal this song from him and it becomes a global smash no and he doesn't get to credit and then he comes after you and he comes after

me and it's a really fun movie John Carnies the director is one of my favorite directors and Paul's

incredible in the movie and but the the basic kind of like hook of it is always had me when I first heard

the log line and then when I read it I just blown away but it asks the same question I feel like that some of the AI conversation asks like what is this idea of ownership of truth and accountability

a lot of questions yeah I love that I love sounds that sounds really good I think we all they're all everything around this topic or feel like just open any questions could we just don't know and we don't is we're all trying so hard to figure out where it's going to end up and and we're spending all our time just spinning our wheels going what's it going to be is it going to be good or bad is it going to be this or that and I guess we just that's the frustrating part we have to kind of

surrender to we don't know yet you know what what kind of I'm curious what kind of music do you listen to like if you if I were to turn on a playlist that that you had right now like what what what what's the kind of stuff that and I'm sure it varies like everybody like you go through phases

stuff but do you have any kind of like specific genre or something that you always find yourself going

back to or artists that you really I I have a few you know I've got I make playlists that are themed so I'll do like a nepo babies playlists and it's anyone that's related to that's funny another famous musician and it starts a good debate of who is the more famous musician of the two

“which is a fun one or great songs with key changes so when me and my friends get together we sit down”

and have a couple drinks and we we all like pass the phone around and add to these playlists so it gives you yeah it's a fun game to play with with your friends if you ever want to do it and then outside of that Django Ryan heart is a gypsy jazz guitar player just really puts

me at ease and I like it's always playing in our home along with you know my my wife Franca is

Indian and and I've learned so much about the Bollywood film scene and Indian film is a whole and the music from those movies and really come to love it so that's those you know those are kind of my tin pulls will be right back and back to the show this is such a hard one I don't know how I'd answer to who's your favorite do you have a favorite band of all time yeah favorite band of all I know yours as well what is it this built a spell built spells up there but it's not number one

oh is it what's the the the the French fusion fusion band you love this this is my number one band of all I love that it's like my French French fusion what's it called the French Canadian fusion band that you just go to add on and on about with no he's not from the Bollywood band Bollywood band is French Canadians he's from Wisconsin hey he's class close it's close and it's a French name

Bollywood band is amazing I love love is incredible is it just in Vernon in those guys and he's very fond of them well Sean I mean he's an earlier early adopte Sean Kerry who plays with with when when when Justin Vernon when they were doing Bollywood Sean Kerry's got a beautiful voice

“in the two of them there's a version if you want to um it means good winter so it does but”

but without such just seeing there's a song they released a they did it live in a studio and you can go look at on YouTube and it's uh Justin Vernon and Sean Kerry on dueling pianos and they're doing bunny beats I can't make you love me it's one of the most incredible it's one of the most

incredible performances JB make fun of it as much as you want you never understand it okay you have the

heart of AI you have a heart of a heart of a heart of a heart of a heart of a heart of a heart Jason as I was a Jason as the personality of a waymo driver uh but you uh Nick I check it check it out it check it out those guys I can't make you love me it's absolutely her break but yes I know a dancer I know what's your favorite band do you if you had I mean the Beatles you know of course okay sure okay and then the BGs I love the BGs

there's a band called switch foot that that we love um they were really influential for us they are now I'm called a beautiful let down 2003 it's like San Diego um you know it's sort of kind of like just just a rock kind of it's that punk pop emo rock thing yeah yeah yeah we'd love

“but yeah the the the Beatles I think number one have shown you got a favorite band well this”

mist is really really really really really high up there but probably depression mode or erasure or new order all the all the European synth pop of the 80s and 90s I listened to it every day yeah bronze kibee to racer yeah it's all the best concert you've ever seen oh me uh probably depression mode I mean depression mode yeah well the baby best concert you've ever seen JB and favorite band we know it's ready yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I think the best

concert I ever went to was like 19 I want to say 85 and it was the violent fems and the pokes

Detroit concert city is it is it a great is it a great concert it is you know one of the most

“asked questions on a golf course what I'm like playing with with some guys that I I don't really”

know is always what's the what's the best city to play in yeah and and it's I so it's Toronto

yes Mexico City Montreal great concert city great town Barcelona wow and Brazil I mean anywhere in Brazil like it's wow listen shout out to Toronto I just want to say to all my all our Canadian listeners we love you so much in our friends at RBC wait but Nick right it's not a paid ad not a paid ad I'm from a I'm from a little tiny town called Glen Allen Illinois and you played at the village shout out to it's just a net chest trip away it's a net chest trip away okay net chest it's the easiest

way to get around you know but wait did you guys go to the masters this year I went last year yeah were you there this year no I miss it I'm up in Vancouver right now I'm speaking of Canada is that

right and and and I couldn't go but my brother Joe and I we first went to the masters back in

“2017 2016 or 17 whatever the Sergio Garcia year was I think yeah and then we kind of made a”

tradition of it we go on Saturday night or Sunday morning and and do Sunday well it's a tradition it's a good idea there and you know speaking of that Jim Nancy's he's kind of been a family friend for a while he he's come to a lot of shows with his daughter they have like a connection of coming those are shows together it's really sweet and she's now you know married and and it's a beautiful thing anyway he he let us come into Butler cabin and and watch his intro

a few times and and you know I was there the year tiger one but I missed it this year and I think I've seen you from afar at the masters one of the years I went and just one quick golf story and sorry to to bore you no I did this we're all in I did this commercial with Jordan Speath for 18th 18th yes yes and as a sweetener for the deal you know they were like hey we're gonna get you on to play on the Monday after tournament right after so I got to go and play a

gust of how'd you score how'd you score so I'm not playing to it now but at that point I was I was a seven how the conditions were brutal but I shot at 84 they really played their tease no no they had us they had us up yeah baby don't be that's a devil I mean I don't know things I went I went and bear us myself I went with the manning brothers about a year ago just over a year ago

and I really stuck up the joy I finally got it kind of got it together but I really stuck up the joy

well you got to see like they could be they could actually be like real working actors no the many brothers they're very funny paid manning I we he knows this I've said I've been bear some many times he's the greatest working athlete a former athlete actor of all time yeah we're die hard giants fans so we had a good relationship the lie and you love you lie too we love you lie legend Sean okay yeah Sean Sean just tuned out more than ever he's just he's

just coming off his eye from last night he had a campfire I don't know if you do a campfire campfire for what I was going to ask you because I was listening in before we jumped on can how how how does that work the the can't fire outside in the cold it's over it's one of my my spores it's on the stove okay I was like that seems really dangerous if the gas is shut off he'll just go on the sauna as well explain yeah so

you'll just you're just standing there jack asking it over an open flame in your kitchen on the stove yeah what are you standing up I like you absolutely standing up just and then make the next one that's right wow and your fingers are not sticky and it's totally all away I'll bet you've got the phone I bet you're scrolling through your Instagram while I was next to the stove I was listening to the chest actually like

where are you really yeah while listening to the smits off your iPhone alone in your kitchen making spores over your gas range that's right that's right oh yeah I'm gonna crack you

“your slippers like yeah I'm just disgusting wait we do have to get you what you have to”

come play golf with us I don't know if you you heard Jason's leaving so we can't play for a while I told you guys have you guys had Kevin Hart on the podcast yeah we have yeah

three jumanji and he was he was literally scrolling you know just watching golf videos and practicing his swing with like this contraption it's like a thing that simulates like a golf I don't know it's it was very cool I find it and he was this over in Hawaii Hawaii and some in LA as well and so in Hawaii you played some yummy courses all bad that's a yummy I didn't I didn't have a chance to I brought I brought my my daughter out

with me and my parents my my wife shooting in Dia so I brought her out and I did the dad stuff we did like the dolphin swim with the dolphins and I took her they have a they're in the hall of Hilton yeah I think so yeah and then have a they have a Disney hotel and so you know she went and met Moana and all this was great I sacrificed the golf for the dad

talking to me about India how how is India what I've never been there I I am you know

“I'm just curious I'm so desperate to go you should bring the podcast there and do it will be”

I we should do that that's a great idea let's go stand yeah I've been I bought I watched a little bit of Indian this is true Indian Premier League cricket from time to time I oh yeah and there's this new kiddie's IPL I forget my tip yeah the IPL in this kiddie's 15 he's like this total Indian team like he plays from one of the teams no he played well I don't know if he's playing for the national team yet he's playing for one of the teams in the IPL right now

this kid is having I actually watched the game where he he was out after one run but he this kid is like an absolute sensation he's 15 and everybody else is where you hold it yeah he's sensation I love cricket you think the audience is hanging on to this particular section about the Indian cricket league I don't know you think they're fucking in India there it would take something to it I don't hold an audience something he gets decent to straighten himself

“well yeah you should you should go to India my so pranks has been shooting there this movie”

by the director of it did RR was his was his last film sure sure yeah that that was got got a lot of great notice yeah big Indian kind of epic film and she's she's not done a movie there and and about eight years so it's it's a big big deal her return you know she did 80 something movies before she started no that's way we were in the industry over there over 80 films over 80 films yeah she's 75 years old will it's a fascinating thing though you know the the way in which

they the Indian audience reveres their their film talent their stars is it's like unlike anything

I've ever seen before and it's obviously an enormous audience you know over a billion people

and then globally the reaches so big and there's a bunch of projects that are really starting to make a huge impact globally now as well which is exciting to see the culture there I here that

“weddings are a major yeah I think and did you guys have a bit of an of an Indian wedding or no”

we did so we we were friends for about a year before we started dating and then once we started dating it all happened very fast we just both just kind of knew so you know first real date was in May and then by July we were engaged and then and married and December the same year well that's awesome well how did you guys meet we'd a mutual friend who kept saying you know

you guys don't really hit it off I'm gonna connect you and he never did and I got frustrated

waiting and I saw a billboard of her and sunset boulevard for her show quannacombs like you know I'd fuck it I'm gonna see if she follows me on Twitter and she did and so I messaged her and we went back and forth for a bit we met for a drink just kind of casually in New York and and it took you know a year or a year and a half for us to really say all right let's let's separate the time in our schedules so just like give this a go go on a date and see what

happens and so we did and it was literally you know instant and we both just kind of knew so flash forward to the wedding we decided to do it in India and we were scrambling to find a place to do it because we had spoken to Priyanka's mother's plundit hit her spiritual guide and astrologer and and they had said that the best window the most auspicious window would be in in December so we're like all right we got to find a wedding venue and she showed me this video of his

commercial that she had shot at this this place this this palace in in India and she's like there's

there someday and so her friend who is with us her best friend and her best friend husband

“he's like let me just cold call right now and see if they're available for these dates and he”

stepped out of the room and he came back about him and said he goes they're available it's the one weekend this entire year that they have available for a wedding wow how crazy is that so

yeah we did we did what's called a singeete ceremony which is the first night basically it's a

really fun tradition where the families the whole thing is about not just the couple but introducing the families and integrating them together and there's the spirit of competition that comes along with Indian weddings so you basically do a performance and you battle in the family that that wins the performance is the more dominant family so on her side you have like her a global bollywood icon in Hollywood star along with a bunch of her cousins and other

folks and her family who are also Indian film stars and then on our side we've got the mother

“of our friends and family and it was it was like a song competition dance competition but”

a show and I'm not even kidding you there was like a 45 minute show and wow she crushed it her her side crushed it and we came out and I walked out because you know they did what the actors do in Indian cinema which is that there's a playback singer it's called or an artist but then the actors on screen in character lip sync to the song right right although it's a different singer from so they did that and I walked out and got on the

mic and said you know we have one thing you know that was an amazing performance and you all crushed it and we're humbled and honored to get to go after you but we have one thing that that you don't live microphones and then we start that was there is there a strategy to going first or second like did you guys slip a coin to see who who would start we we didn't flip it away just kind of happened that way and I'm glad it did because you know it put the fear of

God and all my friends and family when we were backstage after it was like we got a whole lot of

fucking line we brought it like now it's time I've never need you more and so that we did that

then basically we did a like a western Christian wedding and then the following day was was the Indian ceremony so so three nice and by the way that's that's a short considered a short

“Indian wedding you should they can go up to you know a week or two I was just I was just thinking”

I was imagine if we introduced that here in America that's sort of the competition element to a wedding you know just thinking like a wedding up in Massachusetts of two failures like fuck you yeah you better fucker you better fucker you better fucker yeah we got this fucking let's kill these clowns fuck you know a total brawl right yeah wow that's so cool dude that is really cool I can't believe it's already been an hour yeah we didn't get too much I know it's just

but so much it's a good it's always a good sign when when you just roll through

neck man you're such a talented you're such a great dude and I just love what you do and such so much admiration for all of it and just yeah same thanks for making time we you're there we're right you're in a trailer there thank you for doing this now of course and I'd love to come back next time with the bros too yeah we love that we love that we're gonna be so golf you know we're gonna get it all done yeah let's get it all done thanks for all this was a new one shot the

dog play too you know okay you know that's it for neck okay so we're good okay somebody cut off Jason's Mike thank you Nick thank you Nick thanks buddy it's you okay pal gonna see you later bye that's Nick Jonas yeah impressive dude yeah when I saw when I saw him backstage it going goes with Priyanka it was just us three we were chatting for like you know like a half an hour it was great it was so cool do you think they rolled the rise after they

walked away from you yeah absolutely that was the fuck is that why is that guy talking like was this guy what he was and your hand and people goes on and I'm kind of caring who can smores wearing this first to an award you're wearing could you imagine by the way that's something a dream what I it's very admirable that he is you know just thriving and incredibly relevant and work in like a dog and you know he's he's made that transition from child start to

adult work I mean and started I actually I didn't even mention a he and a years ago went to a hospital here in Los Angeles around the holidays and and visiting with all these these kids were sick and he brought his guitar and he played songs for all these kids individually and it was so

with his time like that like that or or or I mean going from movie to concert the recording studio

“to the like it's exhausting something to us oh oh oh that was it that was it we were not you really”

no but they but they do have they do have they do have you know a song a title called goodbye

it's a album or a song or something yeah so we're gonna give you a quick lesson on how to do the

“by thing um well there's a song called I will say this I will say that like his you know he”

like he's got the music and the and the acting and all this stuff and so like how does he decide

how he's going to with his career how he's going to go like to buy my horse those two

“talents by he's gotta be the worst part of every of the stuff smart smart smart”

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