"Sharon Horgan"

What are you eating, Jay?

What are you chewing on for the cold open? >> Yeah, I'm, I'm your back on your bars. >> Yeah, I'm on my bars. >> Don't mention the brand, because you know what, it's not worth getting $12 of free bars.

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“>> Did we get a workout, we got a workout in already, Jay-Bee?”

>> We got some cardio, we got some sauna, we got some pool. We got a shower, what would have you going to bed? I mean, that's a lot to accomplish, guys, I'm still up. I'm still up. >> Well, I told Jayson, I saw Jayson on Sunday, we missed you, sorry.

>> Oh, you guys got together? >> Yeah, well, we were excuse. >> Not in town, is that still, you can phone in, valid? >> But you're in town now. >> I am, I'm back.

>> We're gonna see you later today. >> Wait, but don't fall for it, Shawn, you're back out again in a few days. >> No, a couple of weeks. But let me just say this, we are going, we are gonna see each other tonight. This afternoon, it's a night, oh, that's right.

There are circumstances that are not the best, but we're going to celebrate the life of somebody that we all work with and we all love deeply, the great Jim Burroughs, who we had on the podcast and who sadly passed away a little while ago and close, close friend of ours, close friend of ours, father figure of ours, one of the all-time great, not just, you know, obviously he revolutionized multi-camera, like television directing for comedy, et cetera.

But he also was just sort of excellent guy, so kind and generous and just funny man. >> Which was instrumental in giving me really important roles in my life as an actor and also in mentoring me as a director and helping me find representation as a director, and to remind people in my sister Tracy, he directed every episode of William Grace and cheers and he directed

like the first year of friends in two and a half man and big bang Harry and Mary Tyler more and

every single year of him. >> She and he co-created the cheers on top of that with the with the Charles Brothers, it reminds

“me, I think I told him when he was on TV, I don't know if you remember it, but one time”

we ran into Jimmy and Midtown in New York and we talked from for a second then he said, all right, I'll see you guys later and I go, all right, cheers and then I sort of like wash them late and I look towards you and you're just staring at me with that like >> Tell me. >> Cheers.

>> Cheers. >> So like a Canadian's. I'm it. >> So I told Jay this story, but I'm trying to tell a sort of version. So speaking of Jimmy, his wife Debbie Burrough, who we love, she invited Scotty and I for

her first outing since her husband passed away to the Hollywood Bowl and so we go and

sit outside and our friends tune away for the Hollywood Bowl and Jay please move me along if this is taking too long. >> Oh my gosh. >> And this guy, this is last week, this guy was sitting, I got up his car classes. >> Well, your guess just just clapped or snapped again, it was like I'm still here.

“>> Mike still hot, still ready to come on the podcast anyway, why can tell you later?”

But it's a crazy story, but this guy got out of his car, came over and started like berating me and Scotty out of nowhere and put his phone up and started videotaping us and we were just sitting there. >> Where were you sitting in front of your house? >> On the front of our house.

>> Yeah. >> And then Debbie pulls up and then he starts kind of getting into her face and my face and then it was weird. And then we got in the car to go to the Hollywood Bowl and he just stands in front of the car and says, nope, you're not going anywhere.

And when let us leave this guy like having like a mental break, what was the crux of his complaint? >> There wasn't anything he was just plugged across the street and when they were sitting out on their stoop, waiting for their ride to pick them up, Debbie, this guy just gets out of his car, walks towards them and says, hey, so what did he say?

Something out of total-- >> Yeah, hey, people have been talking about you guys and not good things. I was like, well, taking number, you know what else to do. But that part seems funny to be honest. >> I'm still with him, I'm still on his side, go ahead.

But then, so a Deb somehow like maneuvers or car around this guy who stopped them from leaving for some weird reason, he gets in his car and pursues and starts chasing them down the street in his car and like trying to ram them off the road. >> Yeah, and then pulls-- and then pulls in front of the car and blocks the car so we can't drive on a busy street on the island.

So what they decide to do is drive directly to the Hollywood Bowl and talk to some of the local security there.

Bowl. >> Oh my god. >> Wow. >> I did not see that covered show, come see us October 17th at the Hollywood Bowl.

>> You never know what's going to happen.

>> Yeah. >> Anyway, Michael, I produced her as like, hey, plug your show this morning, I'm at the Hollywood Bowl. So I'm like, oh, I've got to actually got a real story. >> It is true.

>> It is true. Over 17, come on and enjoy, we don't know what we're doing and we just need a little help out there. >> Yeah, we'd love to see you. >> Empty seats would be terrible.

>> We'd love to see you so come on and come say hi and shout at us.

“>> I think Will has a friend, and Sean has a friend.”

I have no friend for this one, this is a two guest tonight. Double your pleasure, double your fun. >> It's gonna be a lot of fun. >> It's gonna be a lot of fun. >> It's gonna be a lot of fun.

>> Yeah. >> And I wanted to give, I wanted to give a hint about my guest, but I'm not going to, but I don't know. >> Yeah, it's just somebody we know who hasn't been on the podcast, who, let's hear one more snazzy.

>> Not to be on yet it.

>> Speaking of a good guest, I'm going to go about a segue.

Hey, our guest, now JB, you and I-- >> Wait, so you were just talking about the Hollywood Bowl guest. >> I was. Now I'm talking about our guest today. >> Oh, let's see, less and thused about this one.

>> No, no, no, I was about to get into, because we know you and I both know and have worked with this person. >> Oh, boy. >> There's a, there's a, and I don't want you to Rossi. >> No.

>> And I think that no, on different, on different projects. But Sean, I don't know if you know this person, but you definitely know her work. >> Okay. >> Super, super, super funny.

“>> I first saw her, I think, was in her claims series pulling on BBC, which made me laugh super”

super hard. She's, she's one, all sorts of-- >> Sean, you weren't for the video name pulling. >> Pulling. >> I did.

>> I haven't returned it. >> Returned it. >> She's, she's.

>> She was also, got a lot of claim for her series catastrophe.

I got to know her on the increase in the conditions of Todd Margaret with David Rossi. >> Come on. >> You knew her from game night. You guys. >> Who is hilarious, writer, producer, and hork, or machine, hork?

>> Come on. >> Come on. >> Come on. >> How'd you show her face? >> Come on.

>> You did? >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, that's so funny. Do you know what I was saying? Do you know what that noise was like?

Click. I was just sitting here and I've got loads of shit on my desk. And I just picked up a thing, and I thought maybe it was hand sanitizer. >> I dropped. >> I dropped.

>> I dropped. >> I dropped. >> I dropped. >> Yeah. >> And you just squirted someone on your hand?

>> No, I think it would be okay, but-- >> Long you don't put a hand sanitizer in your eye. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. >> Where is it?

You said that's your officer? >> Yeah, well, it's my office, but it's also slashed. >> The winter wardrobe. >> Well, not really winter wardrobe. You can see there's a mirror there, and that's where like I might try on clothes

for it. I break it, I close. If I have to get dressed up for a thing, it's a weird room. >> Do you have a weird life? >> It's a weird life.

Do you have a mirror face? >> What's that mean? >> Do you have a mirror face? >> When you're looking at the mirror, and you really want to see how you look, isn't there a face that you're looking for?

>> Give her the Richard or like, give her the Richard or something. >> So we have a friend who, to trigger his mirror face, he kind of semi-wisper's hisses aligned to himself, which is, he pretends he just got directions from someone, and he turns over his left shoulder and he says, "It's where?"

>> Like, excuse me, he's got the idea.

“>> He's not really here at, so it kind of tightens up his eyes, so it's where?”

>> It's like, like that. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Now try it, take it. Go, let's go. >> It's there.

>> I didn't do that, it worked for me. No, I mean, unfortunately, I am, I can't help it. >> You feel it. >> Yeah, I think we all, my 16 year old, he accuses me of doing a certain face, I can photos and stuff, and now he does it to me, which is the tough.

Because if it was one of these guys, okay, go fuck yourself, but it's 16 year old. 'Cause I'll bet he nails it. Let me see it. >> It's kind of like that. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> It's so worth it. Sharon, welcome to the show. >> Well, come on. >> Sharon, I just have to say, we'll, I don't think you know this person, but I called you, and you took the call, and you gave me a wonderful advice for my judge.

>> I thought I had paranoid about that for what? >> No, no, it was wonderful, so thank you so much. >> This is about pulling, that was done a bit. >> This is about pulling, this is about pulling. >> No, no, no, we don't have to talk about it, no, but it was great.

>> Oh good, I'm glad, I thought it, I'm glad that work day. >> But you know what, speaking out totally different topic, bad sisters, I still talk about

>> It's one of the best shows I've ever seen in my whole life, and you were, I mean, it was just incredible. And then there was a season two, which I still have not seen.

>> Oh, you can see that, that's the other, that's, if you like, if you like the first one.

>> I love the first one. >> Jesus, she'll, I'm sorry, see the second, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. >> Sure, it's been like non-stop, just great, great work and great reception for you and everything that you're doing since the last time I saw you, I mean, congratulations. >> You can, you consistently, not just, not just as a performer, but it's so admirable,

and the way how much stuff you create, how stuff you write for yourself, yeah, it's really impressive. And I wonder, like, does that engine still, is it just as strong, and you now, as it

“was 10 years ago, or does it feel more like a mountain to climb as you go on?”

>> No, I still really like creating new stuff, because I think that, I mean, I loved

bad sisters, and you know, I kind of, it's hard to say, goodbye to it in a way, but, but

they also think, when you're making something, you kind of get, you know, that show how to certain, a certain kind of feel to it, and so, with that comes a certain kind of music that you choose for a soundtrack, and you kind of, you get into, you know, you kind of fall into a pattern, and then, then when you, when you make something new, you get to start all over again from scratch, you get to be, you get to just, like, put your playlist together

and, and, and, and start over, and, and it's really scary because when you, when you come up with characters, you kind of, you always think that's the, that's the last time you're going to come up with a good character, so it, so it is scary, but, but it's, it's really fun to, to start over, isn't it? >> Yeah, I, I, I will, I will say that I think now it occurs to me that the sort of the English

model, which is always been, and we've sort of adopted it in this country now with, in this

“country, I think it was often people were known for a certain series, they do one maybe”

two series in their life and, and the audience would set them in this new role, but then

you, them from the, the first thing that they were known for, you guys have always done in

the UK because because of the way that the formatting is done, you didn't have a lot of shows that did nine, 12, 15 seasons, so people could go and do one or two seasons of a show, and then you could go and write a new show, and the audiences were totally willing to go, oh, she's doing this new show, you see her doing it, right? >> I mean, you could do a couple of shows in a year, you know, but we, we would be doing

six episodes, like we were from a series in six weeks, I mean, it's a little bit different now because, you know, you're making shows that are, we'll err on Amazon at the same time as child four, so you kind of have to make eight or 10 and you can't, you know, so it's a little bit different. >> Well, we all have the same distributors now, right?

>> Yeah, yeah, exactly, but back in the day when we were just making stuff for, you know, a UK or an Irish audience, you know, you've filmed it in six weeks and then you're kind of, yeah, you move on to the next thing, and also you would get like a couple of seasons or like with pulling, you know, that was like two seasons and a special, and that's kind of, that's kind of hit your dough.

>> And then it's, and also the budgets were were sort of low enough that the risk, they allowed you to do stuff.

“I mean, I've done it before you show up, you're like, where's craft service?”

And they're like, what'd you bring? >> There's nothing. There's something, he said, will it, will it, will it, will it, will it, will it, will it, will, I did this show called the increasingly poor decisions of top market that didn't even see? >> No, but I remember a piece of, with David Cross, it was so funny, but it had no, no budget.

I, craft services was a box of biscuits, and some tea bags, and one round, yeah. >> That was it. >> Yeah. >> And for us, I was completely normal, but for any Americans coming over, they were, just like, asked at not having constant food, legit, funny thing, can I just say funny thing

'cause it just comes to my head. When we were doing game-nice, yeah, I was, why the way, can I just say, I'm one of the player, I've seen game-nice three times minimum, I fucking love that film, and it is so underappreciated to both of you guys, it is such a funny, good, good, great, funny thing. >> I urge anybody, please see game-nice, so good, sorry, I was, when I was filming, when

I was filming game-nice, I was writing the series for UK TV called Motherland, so when we were in the, when we were in the trailer, I was writing that series, and I, my co-writer, when we were, I don't think there was even, I don't think we were assuming, I can't remember, anyway, I would be eating lobster, there was lobster, a crop set business, so I'd be eating

all the massive amount of work it takes to fill up a blank page, and do what we do, is just,

it's so impressive, but it is an enormous amount of work, an enormous amount of concentration, and it just worked out the way you're writing, what is your favorite part of it that fuels you through all of that tough, tough work and discipline, what, what is the thing that most excites you and drives you to do what you do?

“I think it's the, the writing bit for sure, because although, although I do, I love,”

I love and edit where you're putting it together and making it better, like we're just kind of incrementally kind of making something actually good, but the writing bit, I think. But like what part, like creating characters or coming up with stories, or just sitting in a room with funny people laughing, I think is ridiculous, too. Yeah, do you ever, do you ever, do you ever, you write solo by yourself in a room, right?

I don't know myself as well, but like, even the things that I, I don't know why I did that my hair is so, I even the stuff that I write mainly solo, like now I, I love to have a, a writer's room, and you know, someone writes, you know, a few episodes are written by a couple of the writers in the room, but that, like I just came from one to day, and it was, you know, some of the people will end up writing a script, but a lot of them are

kind of there, you know, as consultants, or, you know, just trying to write this distance. Yeah, just coming up with ideas. Yeah, there's nothing better. That field, there's nothing. It's some of the deepest laughs I've ever had.

I've been in stuff that, by the way, bits and jokes that never made it into anything, like

it didn't ever. But some of the hardest laughs are in those rooms, bitching a bit, and somebody comes up with a bit that catches you off guard, and you're like, holy shit, I've never heard something like that. And, and also, like, at that stage, the possibilities are endless.

I mean, you can go anywhere, and no one's telling you that there isn't enough money, and no one's just turning it down. So wait, so, you just walk around with, like, tons of ideas all the time every day every week. Er, no, I wouldn't, I, no, I don't think so.

I mean, I, I, I, I, I kind of, I have that slightly unfortunate thing of not always being in the moment, because I'm thinking, like, that could be, that could be, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not healthy. I don't think. I don't think so.

“No, I, I, I think for the most part, I don't walk around thinking like that.”

But I guess when, when, when, when I need to start thinking like that, like, if I'm thinking I, I, I, I, I don't know, I'm going to not do this series beyond, you know, um, this season, I kind of think, oh, I should be thinking of something else. But then I also kind of go back, like, I go back and look for things that were a germs of ideas, and, and that have now become more relevant in your life, because you're at a

different stage in your life, you know, right, right. You know, in your relationship or with your family or work or sometimes things just suddenly become relevant and, and you're like, oh, it's an idea. How do you decide on what to take on? Will you primarily do what it is you think up or, um, what, like, what's the ratio as

far as incoming calls with ideas? Like, hey, maybe think about it. Maybe adapting this magazine article or this book or, yeah, I mean, for the most part, for the most part, I, I don't do that. Like, all their bad sisters was, that was an incoming call.

That was, um, brought to me because it's a Belgian series and, you know, would you like to adopt this?

And, so that was kind of sort of the first time I did that.

But generally, it's, you know, like, there's incoming calls with, like, IP to adopt and that kind of thing. But for, but usually, you know, I do that within the company or, you know, like, you know, connect something with the writer that I admire or, you know, I kind of, the things that I do myself often are, are things that I just kind of think, I should probably have,

I could either have some therapy or I could write this thing about my address. But there, there must be certain relief like when you're, knowing that, like, when you're working on all these ideas and the sort of the various stages of development, we all know that sometimes that can be long, it can be, or if you're trying to put it together, all those different elements.

And then all of a sudden, you get a call from Hollywood and, you know, big Hollywood superstars, Jason Bateman's doing a movie that's a cakewalk. We love stir, they're gonna have loves in every day. And all you gotta do is, sorry,

“do you mind taking a couple first class flights to Atlanta?”

You know what I mean? - That's the man. - That's the man. - The four seasons, would you do that? I mean, that kind of feels like a vacation a little bit. - Oh my God, I love doing that.

I mean, I really do, I think that's a tell buzz to, to drop in and drop in and drop in and drop in and drop in.

- We'll be right back.

And now, back to the show.

- Now, Sharon, talk to me about how you write something that you know you're gonna play this character. And you're writing that one. But you're also writing other characters.

“- Yeah. - And you have to oversee or drive”

or prove the casting of those characters. And inevitably, they're gonna perform those lines differently than how they have lived in your head as you wrote it. And the reason those lines work

is because you're kind of performing them in your head, is you're writing them. And then they come in and they read it in a different way. And you might not be directing or something like that. How do you manage that?

'Cause like when you're playing the character, you wrote, for you, you're doing it perfectly. - Right. - Right, I mean, you're like, - No, but you're like reading the mind of the author. But with these other characters,

and it all sounds a little bit different, is it, do you have to bite your tongue, do you kind of whisper to the director or the showrunner? Or oftentimes, you are those people? - Yeah, I mean, it, yes, I think it is,

but I think I've learned how to be better at it. Because I used to, you used to be a problem, you know, if people didn't do it the way that was in my head or when you'd read that off. - Oh, I just, it doesn't work as well.

- Yeah. - And you sort of end up, I remember with pulling, and Dennis Kelly,

who wrote it with me, we'd never made anything before.

I don't know how we were allowed to make it. We didn't even have to make a pilot. We just wrote the answer to the, we wrote it. It's 'cause it cost 10 P to make. So there was like, they didn't have much to lose,

but I remember it, we wrote it for a try. - And for Tracey, 10 P is 10 trillion dollars, you are. (laughing) - That's very expensive over there. - We wrote this line for one of the main actors in it,

and it was just a stupid line. It was a joke about a thing. Do you remember the cock lollies episode? Well, one of the girls has created this, come up with a thing called the cock lollies,

and it's a nice lollie in the shape of a cock touch. You can market it to, you know, head, head, paris, or, she has the same, but she has to. (laughing) - You got a car, it's a lollie, you got a doll.

(laughing) - Oh, okay, I got a job of it, okay. - The guy that she's pitching the cock lollies to, she's doing it as sort of like Dragon's, Dragon's, Dan's style pitch, and the guy she's pitching it to,

he suggests, like, or he goes, can you go, will there be a joke on the stick?

“- It's a brilliant idea, you should have a joke.”

A joke, you know, you should be able to, you used to be able to, like, oh, like, like, the cock lollies, on the stick, yeah, on the stick of the lollies, and she says, there's a place in Birmingham, it's all they do.

And it was like, you know, it was just 'cause she was so honest. She'd be searched this thing, she'd practice for this pitch, she was just like, had to be off the cuff, there's a place in Birmingham, it's all they do. And like, she said it in a brilliant way,

it was private book, and we just kept going in and going, it's a place in Birmingham, it's all they do. So just throw it away, and then we walk off, and then she'd say it again, and it went on and on and on, until she hated us.

And then we made her come in and do it again in ADR. - Oh my God, oh, really? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So talk about a line reading, you were, like, saying, no, here it is, I'm gonna say it, and you're gonna repeat it,

the way that you get all hot, she wanted, a line reading, 'cause she was like, I wanna do it the way, so we were doing it, but even then it was stupid, it didn't make it, we should do it. - Do it how she did it, and then do it how you wanted it.

- Oh, God, I'm not gonna remember, really. I think she was-- - I just have a name, what's her name? (laughing) - She was brilliant.

- By the way, it's my first time. - Sean, let's do, let's do, it's time we haven't done it, what happened to the fan or did it? - So where's the fan? - Where's the fan?

- Yeah, Sharon, we just started the show. - Yeah, I did, I did. - Funny or in life, but if--

- I've never heard of it.

- What is it? - Yeah, we've done it, we've done it.

“- So, you have to do a line reading of where's the fan.”

Okay, so, when I went to... - No relation with the song. - I went to San Francisco for a trip, and we checked with a friend of mine. (laughing)

- Just the ones. (laughing) - It's just low-winging footage. - That's about the cheapest joke, I think that's it, ever. - It's ever slipped out of my mouth.

- Okay, it's not awful. - Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. - Okay, you read the screen. - You read the screen. Wait, what are you saying? (laughing) - So I go to San Francisco with a friend,

we checked into a hotel, and I can't sleep without a fan, right?

And they said, "Sure."

So they sent up a fan, and on the fan is a note that says,

"Please do not remove from the office." (laughing) So then we were like, "Well, what happens when the boss walks into the hotel

“"that day?" and then you have to give the line reading”

of "Where's the fan?" But you have to give it like a preamble up to it. So then I would say, "So like somebody come in and be like, "Okay, boy, we got a lot of problems in the hotel that I've been." - Where's the fan?

- Right, can I go? - You have to note, yeah, okay now. - So we started, we do it at dinner, you make everybody as we go around and do a different reading of noticing the fan, and seeing the fan. - So I have to be the one I'm feeling too?

- Yeah, just a little bit. - Hey, listen, I'm sorry, I'm late, the trap was... - Where's the fan? - Yeah, okay, that's (laughing) And now Amy had, Amy had one, Amy Polar had one,

it's really funny, she comes in, she goes, "Guys, I am fed up with, ha ha, where's the fan?" (laughing) - Oh, that's great.

- By the way, this is the first time you've ever played this game,

you've ever heard of it. - They all did it. - Nailed it. - I failed it. - So I wanted you to do, it's written, it's a pre-burning ham, they what?

- They did it, they did it, they did it, they did it, there's plays in Birmingham, where is it? - There's plays in Birmingham, that's all they do. - There's plays in Birmingham, that's all they do. You wanted to the pause, you wanted to the pause.

- Yeah, it's yeah, exactly, yeah. - There's plays in Birmingham, it's all they do. - That's all they do, yeah, that's all they do. - That's all they do. - Maybe with a bit more, like Satisfaction

in the fact she's already sort of... - There's a plays in Birmingham, it's all they do.

- Oh, well, that's not up later. - That's good.

- And you can pull out this, yeah, I mean, you're in, pull out, you're in, pull out the whole, pull out the whole, but you know what, you know what, the thing is that I was continuing to be a bit prescriptive with actors and how they do things, 'cause the thing is,

there's not, I had to learn that there's not just one way

“of doing things. - Yeah. - Do you know what I mean?”

Like, and I remember speaking to Donal Gleason about it and him just sort of going, what's the point in hiring actors, if you're just gonna tell them how they should do, like, what are we there for, if we can sort of, you know?

- What you were trying to manage was also the assumed expectation from the hiring hands that brought on Sharon who are going to deliver something that you stand by, that you stamp, that is your aesthetic, that is your humor, that is your script, and then if all these actors come in

and they start freestyling, it starts to drift away from something that you can stand by and manage and say that, right, I would assume that that was going through your calculation of, like, how much do I let these people contribute? - Yeah, were you worried about

the people at the BBC getting the cut of this and they're going through and they're all watching it in a conference room and then they go, and they hear her go, they're placing Birmingham, it's all they do, and they're like, just pause,

pause it right there, 'cause that's the thing. - That's Aaron who I can last your fucking mind. - That's the thing. - What have we done? - No one gives a shit, that's the thing you kind of, but it's all the same, you're like, no one gives a shit, yeah.

- I genuinely feel that there is an accumulation of effect thing though, and if you let the little things that you stamp by for sure, then over the course of it, it's just not what you do, you do lots of takes, and then you sort of, you know, create it in the other.

- Well, you know what they're saying? What's coming is like, the stage you got to, by having your come in for ADR and for Tracy, that is, I think it's automated dialogue replacement, I think it's what it's going, anyway.

- The addition, I think it's additional, or something. - Yes, so you go in and you just record your line, and then you read, and then they kind of put it in your mouth to picture, and so, but sometimes you can change the way the line sounds, and what they're saying

is coming with AI, is it not only can you unilaterally, Sharon, as the showrunner, change the reading of that line, but you can also manipulate the face, and this is the stuff that, - But you don't even need AI for that.

- Right, I've shut someone's mouth this week, and really, just for now, right, right, so it doesn't look like this. - 'Cause you can make you Jason, they can make you look happy,

“they can work, work, you have to lift my eyebrows.”

- They can work your eyebrows, yeah, well, you can cancel your appointment with the Beverly Hills doctor that I know, you have Dr. Lift. (laughing) - Yeah, wait wait, Sharon, you shot somebody's mouth?

- No, listen, it was such a small thing. It was actually, it was actually a what you call it, an extra supporting artist. It was my thing, he looked really funny, and the face of the he was doing something funny,

- He was smiling, while the actor was speaking. So we didn't want to cut him out, so we just shot his mouth. - Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, it looked like he wasn't talking. - It looked like he wasn't talking, yeah. Someone told me that I should work in animation,

because if you work in animation, you can just make people do whatever you want. - Yeah, by the way, talk about like you can do, it's like the running process, so it's why Simson's not white, so fun in that brilliant people,

but you can do anything you can go anywhere, there's no budget you can pitch any.

“- But that's what they're saying is coming in AI,”

and it's not gonna be some cartoon character, it's gonna be something that looks exactly like a person. - Yeah, you know, I mean, that's a whole different episode and we talk about how we all feel about that, but it's just like, it's fricking.

- But is it interesting, it's an interesting. - An animation, what I was saying yesterday was, human behavior has become so cliche that animators can now animate, you know, the way people behave

because we've seen a billion movies and TV shows,

we know how they're going to react, basically, and so I don't know what I'm saying other than it's just like, there's no surprise, it feels like there's no surprise this is with, like, if you're shocked, you're shocked, this is what you get with your shock,

for this actor and that actor and that actor and that actor. There's certain, you just get a different look of it. - Show me shocked, show me shocked, show me shocked. - Show me shocked, oh my God, that guy is shanked. - I like it and ate it, I'd love you to five, still rolling.

(laughing) - I could do that, I could try last, I could try last. - I could try last, slightly shocked. - I have like 10 faces, no that's a shuttle through. - That's a baby, yeah, right?

- Anyway, Sharon, I'm just remembering, Sharon, I remember, you know, some of, I saw on a talk show or a red or something about, I live for medical stories, you know.

- Oh yeah. - Yeah, and I read something,

“all right, remember, maybe you said it about a catheter,”

or something, what, oh, yeah, just take your time and sort of figure out what you're going to say. - Wait, wait, wait. - I got it. - I got it.

- I don't know, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. - Not only do you not know the source, you don't know what she said. - She said. - I don't remember, but it was, no, no, no.

- You're making it up, do you want it? We can use AI, and we can have her, say it, if you want it. - If you're losing color, keep your hands apart, remember, I don't know if you remember.

I, I thought it was so, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. - Do you remember, do you remember your position on catheter, Sharon? - Well, I, I think,

so, that I, I had a catheter. - Yes. - I don't remember having loads. - You did? - A catheter just sort of drains,

could be draining anything really, couldn't it? - No, sure, yeah. - I think I had, I think, is it just your roof? - I think it's up your pee pee hole, yeah. - Oh, it's up to where the urine comes from.

- Oh, no, I've never had that.

- Okay. - Oh, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm here, I'm here again. (laughing) - Oh, I had one inserted in my leg to drain. - Oh, maybe that's what it was.

- But I'm sure, I don't ever remember. - For what? - When I'm up your leg. - I, I dislocated my hip, but I did it when I was little And the doctor I was seeing didn't realize that it was different than the growing pains, and it got more and more.

So then they had to open it up and put pins in.

“And so I remember that thing hanging out of my leg, but I don't believe I ever told that.”

Hold for you. I was 13. Wow. Was this an Ireland? Yes.

Because you were born in England, but you moved to Ireland. Is that right? Because your mom or your mom's Irish, is that right? Yeah. My mom is Irish.

And well, my mom met my dad in London.

And they had the first of their two kids in London before they moved to Ireland to face us.

Right. And then you guys, you guys moved to Ireland because of their medical techniques of like black. Well, they moved to Ireland because my mom had worked in it. And it worked in it. And a pub.

My dad was a landlord of a pub. And it was in the east end of London when it was really, you know, like, really dodgy kind of area. And he was, I think he was asked to give an alibi for a local gangster. And he was right. Right.

I'm getting my family out of here. And say moved us all over to Ireland. My grandpa's from Dingle. Mm. Oh, really?

That's beautiful. Yeah. Did you go to Ireland? Yeah. I went twice once with my family in 2001.

And then I did one of those, you know, audience with. No, they family. They follow your family. Oh, who do you think you are? Yeah.

That's what I did. That's the one. What do you think you're scared to do it? Everybody was drunk and ended up in jail. Yeah.

Oh. Yeah. That's it. Well, have you done that, Sharon? I haven't, actually.

No, but a lot of people asked me who do you think you are.

So I get that'll meanly it restaurants. I have. I will so Sharon. So you're born in England. You moved to Ireland.

“At what point does the sort of the idea of making people laugh?”

Yeah. You're parents are running for me. Hub, like. Yeah. When does that all start?

They were running a pub and then they moved into poultry. Um. Sure. Sure. Yeah.

And how did it happen? The funny thing. Well, I guess I'm in a family of five kids and, you know, I guess, right? Where are you?

You kind of second eldest.

Okay. And it's, you know, how you get attention, I suppose, is making. Right. Parents laugh. When did you think I might be able to make a living at this?

Oh, fuck. Not for years, I mean, I, um, I didn't start making a living at it until, like, about, until I was about, you know, in my, in my early 30s, I, I did other things. I didn't do this job. Like what?

I worked as an administrative officer in the employment service for six and a half years. Oh. That sounds like a desk and an office building. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Signing people on for, uh, uh, you know, employment benefits. No. We're having a meeting on at the Labour Exchange. Yeah. What happens when you get laid off from the, from the employment.

It's the news on the other side of the day. I didn't get laid off. I, I, I would have been there for a life. I just had to, I had to just, like, It must be a tough job, actually.

I just had to leave. And this was a job you took for practical reasons. It was, it was an opportunity. And you wanted to make sure that, right? I, yeah, I think I just, um,

My, my, my dad just kind of instilled a, a, a work ethic in us. And, and if you weren't working, you were, you were just kind of, What the fuck were you doing kind of things. So, so, like, I wasn't getting, I kind of went to London to find my fortune kind of thing.

You know, but I didn't know how to do it. And I was kind of too scared to do it as well.

“Did you know anybody was performing or doing comedy?”

No, nothing, no one. I just knew people like me who were kind of didn't know what they were doing with their lives. Did you study something in college that you went to London to pursue? I was studying horse in Dublin. And then I tried to get into drama school in Dublin and get in.

And then I came to London to try and get in, and drama school and didn't get in anywhere. So, and I was just like, oh my god. So, yeah, so, but then I did go back to, When I left the employment service,

it was to do, I went and did a degree. Because I thought shit, I better get some kind of degree in what? In English. So, that's when I started doing creative writing. And that's when I kind of thought, oh, because I wanted to be an actor.

Like, I'd know, weirdly, I had no interest in writing or... Well, so, tell me about that about them not letting you end a fricking drama school twice. No. I mean, who's laughing now?

Yeah. I went to so many places to apply. That's wild. And we will be right back. And now back to the show.

When you look back, was there something that you were doing wrong or different? Because you're clearly very talented and very capable and have a definite control over your acting tool. Were they looking for like more grants, sort of classical,

Shakespearean type of performance that you weren't interested in doing? Because you're so natural. No, because for all drama schools, all drama schools,

“you have to do a modern piece and a Shakespearean piece.”

I don't know about you guys, but like, auditioning used to terrify me. Like, I used to lose all my skills. You know, I took me a long time to learn how to do a good audition. I mean, I was probably...

I did get it because I was terrible. I'm terrible at it. I know. How is that? First of all, both of you, they're not possible. You guys are both... You guys are both...

High-star auditioning is one of the more terrifying things that has been in my life.

For forever and for always.

Really? I remember going for an audition for extras. Do you remember the Riki Javanese? Yeah. I went for an audition for extras.

We had the same agent, which is I think why I got the audition because it was kind of early in my career. And I got a phone call they say, and Dung said, "Oh, they want you to come back in." I was like, "Oh, that's great."

And Riki said, "I wanted to come in back in because she can't be that bad." Like, because my agent had obviously picked me up. You know, and I've done a few bits, but not much. But I bet you got worse on the second time,

because now it's a whole shit. I got to go back in. They're like, "Oh, I want to do is get the hell out of there,

And if they give me notes, and they want me to do it again,

now I'm like in a total flop. Yeah. And I'm starting to have a panic attack. Jason, you used to have...

“What was your parting line that used to say is great?”

No, I just don't know. Good luck with it. Yeah. Oh, my God. How much?

Because I used to sweat so much. Yeah, I wouldn't have to wear layers. What was that? Yeah. I remember doing an audition with Matt LeBlanc for that show.

No. No. No, no. I know the one you mean. Episodes.

Episodes. Yeah. And so I got quite far down the line, and I was called back and called back, and then I was doing the scene with Matt.

And when I got up to leave, I'd left my... I'd been wearing this little cardigan, and sort of took it off, and it was sort of sitting on the scene. When I was leaving, I forgot my cardigan. And he picked it up, and he sort of...

Like, like, like... Like, like, it was a sweaty, smelly thing that it was. Like, I'd sweated so much into it, and sort of... Picking up. Like, it was a snort ride.

I mean, but... I'm having fun today. It was... It's horrifying. But I think I found a way to sort of...

What is it? What's the secret? I don't know. Like, I had to just start doing a breathing thing. I had to just sort of start... You know, another thing was like, I would eat a banana.

Eat a banana. I'm just sort of learning to kind of control my breathing. Like, the banana thing is... It can probably completely suck as much, but I thought that it would give me a slow, release of energy.

And if I had this banana, I wouldn't convince myself that, you know, it helped me with the shakes or... Yeah, wow. I mean, now I use beat of blockers, but... Yeah, there you go.

Yeah, there you go. Yeah, just take your hands, you're done. You're fine. But you fixed this at all. Not to start destroys your brain cells, though.

Yeah, I don't understand it. You hear these, like, super famous stories of very famous actors, movie actors, stuff, who later, like 20, 30, 40 years later, after you finally hear that, like, oh, yeah, they were high on this or drunk on that when they filmed that thing.

And they didn't... I'm like, how can you... No, how can you say you're lying? Don't get it. I'm not, like, the Charlie Sheen documentary.

And, you know, I'm not... It's out there for everybody to see. So I'm not commenting on anything other than... He admitted, like, oh, yeah, I was high then. I was drunk.

How do you remember your lines?

“Remember, remember, we had Seth on your Seth Rogan”

and I said, Seth, you ever worked stone

and he goes, "I've never not."

I don't know how that's awesome. Me neither. Yeah. Well, do you remember when we were doing the increasing for the decisions of Tom Margaret, such a long name?

I know. I know. But I was doing a scene with you and Spike Jones and David. Yeah.

I think it was just the three of you. And I was jet-like. I just arrived over London, like, before. And I, every single line in my head just went like everything. And the more I tried to think of the lines,

the more panicked I got until there was nothing. It was just like a blank nothing. And I was just standing in front of it. I'd never met your head and met you before. Spike Jones, like, the whole thing was...

Right. The worst experience. No. And in the end, they had to just... Because David was directing it as well, wasn't it?

In the end, he had to just go... You know, we haven't got it. Basically, goodbye. We haven't got it. And they had to do an extra day filming.

And extra half days filming, whatever it was, to get the scene, because I... I acted all up so badly because I... Well, because of the line. You know what?

“Sharon, I don't remember that, because my recollection”

always is how impressed I was.

I had such a talent crush on you. I was always like, Sharon, so good. So I never... In fact, in fact, if you remember the only person I remember going up in their lines all the time was Spike Jones,

had to... He got to a point. And we were like... Remember we were sort of invested in it. Forget what the story was.

But he ended up... He had to... No pad with him. So eventually he just wrote down all this dialogue. No pad.

And so we're doing a scene. We're doing a scene. You know, Spike, and he has his laugh. So funny. And he's like, okay.

So bummerly... He's literally pretending to go through the thing. But he's actually just reading his dialogue of the paper. And at one point he goes... And he goes, "Um, so anyway, so I didn't..."

And then he goes, "Um, I didn't..." And then he goes up. And I just look at him and I go, "You're reading." How are you going up on your dialogue? Yeah.

But he's the greatest. He's... I wish he would do it more. Well, he's so good. He's so, so good.

My other recollection of that is... Do you remember Simon the sound... The sound mixer... Yeah, I do actually. Yeah.

He was one of the funniest... Right? I kind of had a bit of a crush on him. I think... He was so funny.

Yeah, he was handsome. He was the funniest sound mixer. I remember one time we were shooting a scene. Maybe we were in it... And we were shooting on a stage somewhere in London.

And we're going through... And there's some sort of thing in the story.

And David's like, "Hang on a second."

I don't think that that's right. Because the timeline doesn't... So we sort of stop shooting for a second. He's like, "I don't think we have to change that because the timeline doesn't work on a David Cross

is going through it in his mind." It's like...

“And I think that people will notice the timeline.”

And then you can't even see Simon. Because he's just offset. He's the sound mixer. And just here him go. He goes, "Dear Channel 4, imagine my disgust

when I realized the timeline didn't work out." [laughter] And it's fucking... He brought me to my knees. I was laughing.

So hard. God, I got it.

Simon, if you're out there, we love you.

Oh, well done, Simon. Now, Sam, when are we going to get you to the states to do a little bit of work? Uh... Is it happening?

What kind of... What kind of work? Well... [laughter] Anyway, it's like how much you got.

What's on the mind? - The monster is at a lobster-based lunch. - I mean, what's going on right now? Is there something going on over here? - Here's got a new show down from year as September 20th,

we're in the year 2026 called Youth. - Yes. - I'm surprised, I'm not part of considering a lie. - Right, exactly. - But Sharon talked to us about youth a little bit if you would.

- Well, it's on HBO and-- - Class of the organization. - Right, and it's eight episodes, half hour. So it's kind of going back to it's more sort of along the pulling catastrophe kind of lines,

'cause it's kind of documenting, I suppose, a certain period in your life. And like, 30s was sort of miss bent 20s and catastrophes, like having young kids and trying to stay in love with your partner and youth is about kind of someone

slightly similar to me, who's in their 50s, and their kid is leaving for college, and their parents are kind of getting older and it's kind of about the sandwich generation and how you kind of hit a point in your life

when it should be about you.

“Like, you should be out there, you know, living it up”

and sort of-- - You get overwhelmed with some of these other elements. - Yeah, and it all comes kind of crushing down on her, and I kind of, I sort of wanted to. I came up with the idea and the characters ages ago,

but I'm kind of glad, and their bodies just came along and I ended up doing that, but I'm kind of glad that I'm doing it now, because I feel like I've got so much more to say about that period in a woman's life.

- Did you shoot that here, or did you shoot it in England or here? - Here. - Here, sorry, where we are in the state. - Sorry, I thought it here in the, in England.

- And then you can, gotcha, gotcha. - Yeah, and in Germany, and in Spain. So you shot in a few, and it sounds nice, Jesus. - Oh, I like that nice art on that. - I'm beautiful.

- Do you know what?

It's the first time I've ever, you know, when you shoot

something in your, you're filming, and it's like, disgusting weather, and everyone goes, next series we should, like, set it in Spain. So I kind of did a slight version of that, even though it's just when episode,

like, go to do that thing of like-- - You and Sandler have it all figured out. - Yeah, maybe after, did you get a taste for it an hour, you like, hey, maybe my next character, she just, boy, she loves Italy.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I should have, actually, 'cause, 'cause it kind of, we're, we're kind of figuring out some ideas at the moment for where it could possibly go, if we got stayed again. - But if you did that, that would mean not living where you live now. What would you miss most about living, where you live now,

and the way in which you're sort of your, your whole personal life is set up there, what, what, what, what would you miss most about your, your creature comforts? - Well, I did have a creature comfort, like I admit, my brothers and sisters kind of live nearby.

The ones who aren't in London are in Ireland, which is also very nearby, it's like, stir over there.

“And, and so I think it's that, I think--”

- It's just pointing to the right, just to bring to you. - But my, my, you know, my kids are grown up now, so it's kind of weird to all those things that kept me in London, which, you know, it was mainly that, it was family, but it's also, I'm just not great a change,

like, I'm not great. - Really? - At, yeah. - It's no way, I mean, that's so funny considering that you've had so much change in your professional life, and that's all about change. - Yeah, yeah, I know, I just kind of don't,

I mean, I've had the same age and for, like, 25 years.

I just kind of once I kind of sat down to something

I might know, this feels like, I get place. - When you, when you go to the, when you come to the States, where do you go, where's your favorite place to stay, where do you prefer? - Yeah, I actually have a house in Beachwood, you know?

- Oh, yeah, do you need me to go take care of that? It's very close to me, it's just honest. - Well, I mean, I, I get over when I can, I used to be there a lot more, but, you know, when, you know, after COVID,

everything got a change, like, it used to be that you, you used to fly, you used to be used to fly to, to pitch ideas, right?

“Do you remember, you have to just be in the room,”

and so I used to be there a bunch for that,

but now it's all, Zimmy Zimson. - You ever walked down to Larchmont? You know, Larchmont? - Really? - Carpool, you're sharing.

- Yeah? - All right, that's, that's all I wanted to know. - That's all I wanted to know. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty, it's like I like it. - Then Shawn's gonna be the guy outside of your house.

- Yeah, yeah. - And love people are talking about you. - What is this, what, when you, when you come to Los Angeles

and then you leave and you're back in England,

what are some of the things you were not missing? - I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not missing. - Not, not, not missing. - Yeah, it's like, I don't miss, I don't miss, I don't miss, I don't miss hearing industry talk everywhere.

I find it very disconcerting and desabilizing. You don't, there's not like that here at all. Like you'd have to sort of seek it out, or just spend all your days in so a house or something. - Right.

- And it's just, for the most part, it doesn't sort of touch you. So you get to just say, "But New York's the same way. There's so many different industries in the city." Yeah. Yeah. What are the main industries in LA outside of like tech and entertainment? Carpets? Carpets? Carpets? Yeah. Jackings? Pretty big kids. Yeah, that's really a best thing.

That's a good little hot topic. Home and day. Home and day. Yeah, they're super fun. And we offer the dog grooming, obviously, the dog grooming, yeah. High-speed car chases, personal training. I like LA though. I like it as a place to sort of. I think I'm like, I'm fitter in LA. You know, like I do more kind of wellness things. Like I look, it's easier to be fit. You're right. I think you kind of end up just drinking a lot of green things.

Well, what are you drinking today? You're drinking something orange. What is that? Yeah, it's actually my someone gave it to me. Okay. Oh, so you don't know what it is.

“It's a zoo key. It's called a zoo key. Is that product placement?”

I needed something to give me a bit of energy because I was worried that I was going to be low energy. Because of us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because you know me because I've done a full day work. And I didn't really sleep last night. Oh, you're going to sleep so well. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's take it into the cello. Just a little bit. What happened with your sleep? Oh, yeah, well, I don't know. I go, I'm really up and down.

I mean, I think it could be hormonal, but yeah, at the moment, I'm not sleepy. I think maybe I'm worrying about what the show's about to come out potentially. Yeah, look, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I keep waking up at like 4.15 and just a lot just like lying there. I keep putting on a podcast that, you know, put this one on. You'll go right up right there.

Yeah, I happen to think to you guys over the last one. We got an award from the Insomnia Association. They found the cure with their pocket. Wait, do you, so I'm not sleeping? It's not so I hate not sleeping at all. I think this is, but it's our age. I, you know, Sean has arguably the rest of the day. I was the rest of the day. I was the rest of the day. I was the rest of the day.

Oh, that's horrible. I literally didn't get worse. But do you, so do you, now, how do you, do you try to, like, you, do you go to bed early to try to come? I, I, I try, like, last night. I was in lying down at 10 30. Okay. And I thought that that would be good. And I actually took a calms last night. You know, calms. No, homeopathic sleep thing. And kind of like melatonin or whatever.

Yeah, kind of like that. And it's still didn't. I was like, you know, took me ages even get to sleep and then when I got asleep, I, I, I, are you a coffee drinker? See, this is the thing. I am a massive coffee drinker. And you know, when you're in a writer's room, everyone is disgustingly meant of coffee drinks. I'm definitely taking in more caffeine.

Just need to shut it off earlier. You know, like, yeah, stuff drinking in the night. It's like two or three. You can't have any after that.

“Yeah, I, but that's what I'm doing that. I'm stopping it.”

How about green tea? Try green tea instead of coffee. It's a much better high. Yeah. Is this? Oh, yeah. It's not such a spike. It's just a nice steady. I like, I like it just green thing though. I like, I like feeling a bit like,

Yeah, but in the afternoon.

I talked to, I talked to Sean this morning to give him shit about his internet before we did the, he castes we call it in a, a chance at how much coffee we had this morning. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's on. I love it. I love it. I love it. But I love a crash. So it's intense, isn't it? It's like, it's, it's a proper drug. It is a proper drug. Do you, do you do, um,

do you ever do any sort of like a sleeper? I don't know, like, like, um, there's like, I listen to like rain sounds. Yeah, I tried all that nice stuff. You know what I do? But Sharon tried this. This is what I do sometimes. Sometimes I'll Google Facials. Well, I mean,

So I'll Google something having, I'll Google, somebody.

“Yeah, I'll Google somebody having, would you say Facials?”

I'll Google somebody giving somebody a facial. Okay. Again, I mean, you're really having a tough time. You shouldn't need to enunciate it. It's begging to work. And watch it. Watching it. Like, then, like, falling asleep makes me fall asleep. Like, because I'll imagine my face.

Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, because of the relaxing thing. Yes. It really, really relaxes me trying to make it out. You made it out. You made it out. I thought you were going to, yeah. Oh, you want me to send you a link, sir? Well, no, I thought you were going to give me, like, a specific kind of, Well, I do like the Japanese, like, more no, like, Japanese facials because they,

they really get in there and the person falls asleep immediately. And then makes me fall asleep immediately, getting it and then makes me fall asleep. Are we listening to on this pod? Yeah. Fuckin' shons, looking at people, getting their faces red, so he can fall asleep. Yeah. You're going to lose everybody.

[laughter] I love it. You know, try a chair and get back to us if it works. I love it. Thank you for being there. Sharon, you're the best. Sharon, you are the best. Yeah. We got you so good. You're so funny. You're such a talent.

HBO is premiering youth on September 20th with the incredible Sharon Horgan whom we adore. Sharon, thank you for taking the time. We hope you get to work. I hope you get to work. I hope you get to work. Thank you for being able to see you. You're great to see you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

Be sure to come on back. Give us a shout.

“Yeah, do it. Well, yeah, I think get on top for some.”

All right. Game 9/11. Game 9/2. Let's play. Game 9/2. I wish. >> I wish. >> That's a great share in Oregon. >> I know. >> One of the great exports. >> What was the name of that I watched the show many, many years ago, was it started

to see a Tastrophe? >> Yeah, the Tastrophe. >> It's so good. >> Super talented and you never see

your acting very, very real. >> Very real, exactly. >> She's so funny. It was one of those, when I knew she was coming on and I was thinking, what else is she? And I was like, I remembered game night that she was in that and I was like, and I really live that I wanted to go back into the game. Kind of love that movie. >> I watched that again. I tried to watch it with the girls, I don't know, it's your show ago and we only got through the first five or ten minutes

and they just started looking at, because they were looking at me like, Dad, why do we have to watch your shit? We want to watch something out. At least that's what I thought they were thinking. And I just started to get all cringe out and I was like, let's turn this off. Sorry guys, you know, like, well, they'll watch it. >> By the way, I've done that before >> What am I doing? What am I doing? >> Yeah, but try to fall asleep with the facials

as a good trick. >> Yeah, but how did you discover that action?

>> Yeah, I don't know, because I always fall asleep if I get a face shot. I'm going to get

like a few a year, but you know, and if you watch somebody getting a face show that, yeah, and like literally that. >> I'm going to turn calls you and go, she changed my life. >> That's right. I'm waiting for the phone. I'm going to happen. She's going to call me. >> Right. Anyway. >> JB, do you have a trouble falling asleep? >> No, he's asleep now.

“>> No, you know what I, for me, the best thing for falling asleep. >> Honestly,”

works like virtually every time is I just listen to it really cute little lullab. >> Bye. >> Oh, that was a beautiful, beautiful. And then I didn't even see it coming. >> Bye. >> Bye. [MUSIC] >> Smartless is 100% organic and are tizantly handcrafted by Bennett Barbecue,

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