Snapped: Women Who Murder
Snapped: Women Who Murder

Katrina Fouts

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Police must work to uncover the culprit behind the mysterious murder of a cyclist in Indiana.Season 33 Episode 22Originally aired: Sun, Jun 16, 2024Watch full episodes of Snapped for FREE on the Oxyge...

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A competitive cyclist is killed under mysterious circumstances.

There's a dead body laying in the ditch.

It's got a dog crawling around his neck. He had several small cut sprays, but you don't have this obvious cause of death. The investigation provides a number of questionable leaves. She said that he had had an affair.

He had been charged with the domestic battery offense and also an invasion of privacy. Usually sex drugs or money, his wife's home will get smirked. He went, let me call the police about to bathe

and keep the door to try to kill her for tonight. We drew fluids.

We went the extra step and took the stomach contents.

But the truth turns out to be stranger than anyone could have imagined. We found a screenshot of the death cap mushroom. You eat it in your death.

We have to take all these little pieces of a puzzle

and put it together. It is almost the perfect murder, almost. [MUSIC PLAYING] Noblesville in Diano is a quiet city, 25 miles north of Indianapolis. A southern half of this 400 square mile county

is very suburban. We have some of the safest and many ways wealthiest per capita-wise communities in the state.

If not, the whole country.

But on April 24, 2020, an urgent 911 call from a local resident serves as a reminder that the area isn't immune to violence. 911 with full location of your emergency. Uh, over north road, there's a dead body laying in the ditch.

I saw him walking down the street. At the male, I'd say, I don't know, older 30s, 40s, maybe 50s.

And it's got a dog collar around his neck.

Investigators are immediately dispatched to the scene. I found a white male. I estimate his age to be between 45 and 55. He had no shirt on, had a pair of sweats on. And a shirt was tied around his left wrist.

You could physically see some red dots throughout the shirt. And you could assume it was blood. At that point, we secured the scene. It's on a country road. It's not very populated.

But it is a traveled road. There is what they reported as a dog collar or dog leash wrapped around his neck. I saw it immediately recognizes a rifle sling. You'd put on a rifle.

You could tell from the amount of levidity and some insect activity that had been deceased for a couple days. Unfortunately, there is little evidence indicating who the victim is or how he died. He had several small cut spritzions

out sufficient to cause blood loss that would result in death. So you don't have this obvious cause of death. He has an ID on him, so we have no clue who he is. DNA would take months to identify him. So our only real option was to do fingerprints.

We obtained fingerprints from the deceased. We conducted an area canvas. And there were no vehicles found in an area. No neighbors have seen anything or heard anything. While awaiting the fingerprint results,

investigators further assess the man's condition and a theory surfaces. Not only was it shoeless and softless, but the bottoms of his feet and the tops of the feet were dirty. One could draw a conclusion there of not only

heading on died in that position, but he likely had been dropped there. We're not too far away from a neighborhood we've had a lot of overdoses in. This is some of this overdose and died. And their friends didn't know what to do, and so they dumped the body right over here.

We kind of start to establish our next steps. They figure out exactly what's going on. [MUSIC PLAYING] With nothing else to gain from the scene, investigators transport the body to the morgue for closer inspection.

When I take photographs at the morgue, I do an overall of the entire body, and then I start to section the body off.

As I got to the arms, I noticed around the wrists,

some adhesive, and that kind of seemed a little strange.

As I continued, I got to the ankles,

but I noticed the same basically demarcation

where you could see that a peer piece of tape had been wrapped around his ankles. So I'm thinking this is probably not just an overdose death, probably a homicide. We need to start digging into that aspect of who is this guy

and what's going on here. Luckily, we were able to get some fingerprints that were on fire with the state that matched. He was identified as David Michael Fowlts at Pimmelton. [MUSIC PLAYING]

Indiana native David Fowlts was born on May 23, 1969, and raised on the family farm. As an adult, David left his rural roots for a fast-paced career in technology. They was involved in computers and technical site of things.

David was manager as Salesforce, based out of Indiana, plus he'd worked from home. He was a top-notch professional and the technology and computer field. He had a fairly high profile job,

and I know it got stressful at times.

In addition to professional stresses, David struggled in love

by his mid-40s, he had been married and divorced. As far as when Dave separated from his first wife, I began to notice a change in his personality probably around 2013. He was not quite happy, go lucky. He seemed to be in war with drawn.

David found relief from the pressures of his career and personal life through his hobbies. David had a house on the east side of the county, where he had gray house, and they were retired racing dogs. - Also, he was heavily involved in cycling and road racing.

He truly wanted to improve and get better. I would seem two or three times a week when he would attend my training classes.

I found that Dave was always quick-witted.

Had a good joke ready for anybody who crossed his path. He was always concerned about the well-being of his fellow cyclists or his friends.

I think he did that as a way to take the attention off himself.

He would pour that compassion into his friends rather than draw them into any heartache he might have been experiencing. - By 2016, 47-year-old David was committed to his work and pastimes and content to live life alone.

- Until 50-year-old Katrina Gentry walked into his life. - Katrina is one of I believe three daughters of Glenn Gentry and he owned a roofing business in Richmond, Indiana. They had a very rough upbringing. She had children, I believe, fairly young, three children.

- Like David, Katrina had never been lucky in love.

- By 2016, she had a divorce and several failed relationships behind her. Her children were also adults with their own families. But Katrina didn't look or act like a typical grandmother. - Katrina was very attractive, very outgoing.

- She liked going to concerts. She liked going to comedy clubs. She didn't like to be in a crowd, but if she were, she liked to be this in a retention. - Katrina's outgoing nature balanced David's introverted personality.

After three years of dating, the couple married in 2019. - But their new family unit has been destroyed after David has found murdered on a rural stretch of road. - Now, investigators must apply forensic knowledge to make sense of this puzzling crime scene.

- It's clear, they hadn't died that day. We found fly eggs in a sweatpants, which suggests that he had been deceased, at least for a day or two. - There were no signs of trauma.

None. So you would expect maybe some literature marks on the neck, a gunshot wound, but there was nothing noticeable that would have caused this death.

- We started to lean towards we're gonna need toxicology, because we're thinking maybe some type of poisoning. - We drew fluids, urine, blood, for examination for toxicology.

But we found nothing physically that we could say killed him,

We went to the extra step and took the stomach contents.

To see if maybe it was something that he had ingested.

- You couldn't tell what food he had had to eat last.

Except for it, look like there were bits of mushrooms that had been chewed up and swallowed. Pretty university is in Indiana, and we were able to get a whole of their psychology department. The doctor identified the mushrooms as L. Knotham,

which is a poisonous mushroom that can kill you. Even if you're dead, it will metabolize out of your body. So there will be no signs of this poison, this toxin in your body, but then I think 72 hours, maybe less.

And David had been dead for a few days. - Detectives are left with a new conundrum. Had David eaten the mushrooms willingly, unaware they were deadly. Or is this indeed a murder?

One unlike any scene before. - There is so little known about mushrooms, and there was no case in the history of the world,

where they've been intentionally used to kill someone,

this type of mushroom. (dramatic music) - Coming up, a grieving widow points the finger. - David had an affair behind my back, and then crushed the hurt.

- Until suspicious internet queries put a new suspect in the spotlight. - That extraction revealed web searches for what it takes to get an arrest warrant for murder. (dramatic music)

(dramatic music) - Detectives are nine hours into investigating the death of 51-year-old David Fouts. After finding evidence and David's stomach that might point to a unique murder method,

investigators speak with his widow Katrina. - And formed her that David was dead and that we'd found him in a ditch,

in Helmson County off of Overdoor Frode.

- She grabbed her chest and she was crying. - Are you sure? - We're almost certain of the risks. - Can I see my husband? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

- I'm not gonna tell you, no, but thank you for all that. - It's hard to explain how anybody's gonna react to the notification that their loved one has been killed. It seemed over the top, it felt off. (dramatic music)

- Once Katrina recovers from the shock, she reveals a surprising piece of information to detectives. - She described that she and David had a loving relationship, but he had had an affair and Katrina.

Nuva was in what was going on.

- I've never met her, but I know her name

because David had an affair behind my back for my number of months, her. - This can be how it did to me. - We were both trying to make this marriage work. - She told us, she started noticing

in their bank statements that monies were being spent and she could not account for them, so that was interesting. - When Katrina looked into it, she found out David had given his lover money

to purchase a vehicle. - Katrina was spending most of her time at the country house in Noble'sville and he was living at the Pendleton House. They weren't necessarily seen each other a lot at that time.

- We asked when the last time she had seen him was and she sold us that it had been on Tuesday and this was all night now a Saturday morning. So we asked her, usually sex drugs or money is why someone gets murdered.

Well, what would be the reason to kill David? - Katrina said, David had been involved with this other woman and it was a love triangle. So David had been previously threatened

by this other third party, this other leg

in this love triangle. - She described us on several occasions that a male had come to the house and that he had threatened David directly. - He wouldn't let me call the police

but the man that keeps the door to the right to kill him through four times. - She said it was very clean cut and then she gave us a rough time frame of what she had been doing Tuesday through Friday.

- Detectives request access to Katrina's phone records to verify her alibi as well as the name of David's lover

Which Katrina willingly provides.

- There was nothing to physically say or point to Katrina.

So it was unclear whether she was suspecting that point or not.

- To verify Katrina's claims, investigators track down David's lover and she says Katrina was misinformed. - We didn't interview with her.

She said that David had never met her ex-lovers.

She cooperated fully and gave us everything that we asked for. - Due to her easy cooperation, detectives dismissed David's lover as a potential person of interest.

They also go and talk to any of the men that she's ultimately involved with. - One was in prison so he could immediately be ruled out. The other one lives in Florida and we were able to make contact with him.

He was able to provide an alibi which we were able to follow up on and check out. - There's just nothing there that corroborates

that they would be involved in David's death.

- In search of further leads, detectives take a closer look at David's lifestyle. - Who is David Fowd's? What other connections may he have that could give us evidence of who maybe did this?

- Neighbors really didn't even have much to say about it. He just seems like he worked and then he came home. I would describe David to be somewhat of a private person, especially with his personal life.

- He always gave a big smile and a hug when he would reach you.

He found that day it was a very engaging and a willing to help type of guy. - There was nothing that we found that was like, aha, this is gonna lead us somewhere. - For a more thorough idea of his character,

investigators run a background check on David Fowd's. - But what they discover is surprising. - In the public records, David had been charged with the domestic battery offense and September of 2019, and also an motivational privacy.

- Katrina accused him of domestic battery and he was arrested for that. David said it didn't happen. The he had never touched her. - There was no contact order between them

as a condition of David's bond. - But I spoke with his attorney and they were going to fight the case in court and that court date was coming up. - To find out the truth about their relationship, detectives analyze the couple's phone records.

- Katrina talks about seeing David on the 21st

and in her phone calls in the, I think, three, four weeks

up to that, there were a lot of phone contacts between their two phones. - What is interesting is after two, three, a clock in the afternoon on the 22nd. There is no more contact between Katrina's phone

and David's phone. - Why does that suddenly stop?

- She never tried to contact him after the 22nd.

We found him dead, mom pried at the 24th. - Katrina's photos and web history are even more incriminating. - That extraction revealed web searches for interesting things like crimes of passion and dino.

What it takes to get a rest warrant for murder and dino. - Very concerning and questionable things. - Within that, in her pictures, we found a screenshot of the death cap mushroom. Deadly ones like the death cap,

you eat it and you are dead. - For investigators, it all points to one theory. - We strongly believe that these mushrooms played a huge part and likely killed David and the death cap mushroom is the one

that was on her phone. - From the cell site location information, David's phone never left Pendleton and Katrina had not tried calling him again, which suggests she knows exactly what's happened to David.

He's already gone. - Now that investigators have zeroed in on Katrina being involved in David's death, the question is whether she acted alone. - An additional review of the phone records,

reveals that Katrina has very close friends, a lot of contact with Terry Hopkins. Terry Hopkins cares for Katrina's dad, Glenn. - And that piece of trying to figure out exactly what their relationship is.

Sometimes it almost seems like a boyfriend, girlfriend relationship, and sometimes it seems like a father-daughter relationship, so we're thinking is Terry involved.

- There is no doubt that Terry cares for Katrina

and messages between the two make his feelings

about David, clear. - David and Terry did not get along. They hated each other.

- After phone records reveal Terry Hopkins' close relationship

with Katrina Fouts and his intense hatred for her husband. Indiana detectives must investigate whether one or both could be responsible for David Fouts' murder. - We looked in the Terry Hopkins, and we find out that he was a former Richmond police officer

and that he'd been retired. - On April 26th, two days after David's body was found, detectives request that Katrina come to the station.

- We asked if she and Terry had ever been romantic,

but she kind of laughed and said no. She described Terry as father from another mother, a dear family friend, as well as the caretaker for her father. They lived in Richmond and they'd been friends for some time. - He got to know her father through an organization

in the community and they formed a friendship

and her father slowly started showing signs of dementia.

So Terry assisted him in day-to-day living tasks. - Terry was known to have, according to Katrina's some health issues, as well. He was diabetic, he had congestive heart failure. - They talked to her about when they would have been together.

Last and she indicated that on the night of the 21st, that there had been plans for Katrina, Terry, and Katrina's dad, Glenn. - Glenn decided he did not want to come. So Terry met her at a close-by convenience store

and then they went and picked up food and went to the country house.

- It got laid, they fell asleep and when one of them finally

rose, it was like three in the morning, they split, went back to their homes.

- Thursday, Terry had come back up and was nice enough

to bring her this hydraulic lift cart to help her move articles around the country house. And that was pretty much what the summation of what she said that they had done. - Rather than take Katrina's story at face value,

investigators use cell data to track her in Terry's locations, leading up to the time David was killed. - We learned Terry came up to meet with Katrina around six o'clock in the evening. We have video surveillance from a bank

of them going toward the country house. Their GPS services put them at the country house for an extended period time. At some point in the wee hours of the 22nd, both their phones are shut off for GPS and/or powered down.

So we do not know where they're at at that point. The services were turned on again around 11 in the morning and Katrina, pretty much will stay at home for that day. That was a pretty big flag. So it is our belief that Katrina and Terry

shut off their cell phone devices, so they couldn't be located based upon a totality of the circumstances that gave us enough probable cause to actually get search marks. On the 29th of April, we executed three search marks.

One in Richmond at Terry and Glenn Gintry's house. The other at the Pinnleton house and then the last one was at the country house. Nothing of substance was really located at the Pinnleton house,

but there was a walkie-talkie found in the glove box of Katrina's vehicle. It just kind of seemed out of place 'cause why would this middle-aged lady have a walkie-talkie vehicle?

The country house also provides some interesting discoveries. They find riflesling that is the same brand as the rifle sling that was found around day-to-day. To our knowledge, David didn't own rifles. Katrina's dad owned rifles,

but David really wasn't there using rifles and the rifle slings. In the garage, detectives find the hydraulic cart, Katrina told them Terry had brought when they last saw each other.

On top of the cart, it's a piece of cardboard

that has a footprint on it,

or a footwear impression for shoe.

There's another piece that has tire-trained impressions.

So we take all those things. We're in all this moving. We do move a mat. It's right inside the door from the garage to the house. And there is what appears to be a little bit of blood

on the floor under this mat. - Samples of the blood are taken for testing. If it's David, this is likely the true crime scene. - The rifle sling on his body and the rifle sling found in the house.

It just kind of was consistent. Then, hey, we need some kind of leather strap

or some kind of way to reach this body.

Let's use that. And they have to figure out, okay, now he's in the garage. How do we use this cart to load him into the car and move him from here over and dump him? - The final search warrant executed at Terry's home,

only heightens their suspicions. - In the back of Terry's car, we found a box of miscellaneous articles. Get box cutter. There was a roll of duct tape.

There was, what's called a dead blow hammer, which is like a plastic hammer that's filled with sand. - Investigators also track down receipts and surveillance from a local hardware store where Terry purchased the items.

- Not only did they buy this big cart, but a couple different knives, duct tape, zip ties, rubber gloves, tarp, some rope. Things that you may wanna get to if you are involved in the homicide.

We also search Terry's F-150 pickup truck. As I find a on-walkie-talkie that matches exactly two-the-one that I found in Katrina's vehicle. They were both set to channel 10 sub-channel 11. It is our belief that Katrina and Terry,

when they shut off their cell phone devices, they used these walkie-talkies to communicate. - While this evidence alone doesn't justify an arrest warrant, it does lead law enforcement to a likely conclusion.

- There is no smoking gun, if you will, in this case. We have to take all these little pieces of a puzzle and put them together. This picture is, you know, the Terry of Katrina were in cohoots to get rid of David.

- Coming up, detectives uncover a chilling pattern of behavior. - She would have blown up my house, catch that check, and she would have been gone. - But will it be enough to bring a suspected killer

to justice?

- I think she saw the slow decline in logical thinking

and she used it to her advantage. - Five days into the murder investigation of David Faust, a mountain of circumstantial evidence has been gathered, incriminating his widow Katrina and her friend, Terry Hopkins.

When investigators ask Katrina to explain the evidence they've found, she answers with a lawyer. So instead, they bring Terry in for questioning. - Here we are about four, five days after David's body was found, and we see there's massive bruising

on Terry's chest, there's all these abrasions on Terry's hands. It looked like he'd been, he'd had a rough go at some point. - I thought we are definitely on to something here

that he is involved. - Well, those rights in mind, they're you wanting to give us a statement and talk to us about this. - My good sense tells me that I need to wait

and request for a turning. - So I view what you look, and also they're used. You change your mind, you want to talk to us?

Yep, I never remember, okay?

- With Terry exercising his right to an attorney, investigators pivot their focus back to Katrina. A deeper look into her past provides some revealing information. - She had a conviction for false informing,

rising out of a rape investigation.

- I think it was a rough time frame of 2009 to 2011.

She had engaged in sexual acts with someone,

Then had said that she had been raped.

- The accused insisted the sex was consensual

and an official police investigation determined

the allegations were false. As a result, Katrina was formally charged with false informing. - Katrina was subsequently forced to pay for the state police, SWAT team,

all their fuel, all their overtime, and everything. - When investigators speak to Katrina's ex-boyfriend, Joa Bryan, he says lying came naturally to her.

- I met her through her first husband.

The marriage ended in 2013. She shows up and tells me that she's back in town, but she doesn't have a place to stay. So I let her stay at my place. Katrina is a person who, one-on-one,

she will try to best you. She has to be the focus of everybody in the room.

And if you listen to some of her stories,

you'll know right off the bat that they're lies. - According to Joa, Katrina only cared about one thing, money. - If that person is giving her money, she's happy. But the moment that person says you're not getting another dime for me, she's going to want to win that person.

- Joa says Katrina's behavior became even more alarming right before their break up. - I had been in a car accident,

and first words out of her mouth were,

"Oh my God, we need to get life insurance. What's gonna happen to me if you were to get killed?" She just kept pushing me every day. Have you looked into getting life insurance? I finally broke down.

I looked into it, gave her a price of half-million dollars. One day, in the basement, I found a basket. That is not supposed to be there.

And in that basket, I found five grenades.

They were right underneath my chair that I said him on the floor above that. I think she was going to kill me. She would have blown up my house, cash that check, and she wouldn't have been gone.

- Although Katrina was never charged with anything

regarding Joa, to investigators, the pattern of behavior suggests she'd be capable of doing something similar with David. To find out if Terry was the kind of man who'd be a willing accomplice,

detectives talked to his ex-wife, Demhopkins. I was interviewed by the Hamilton County Sheriff's Department. They wanted to get to no Terry's character. We were high school sweetheart. I just fell in love with his personality.

He was fun-loving, honry, gentle, kind. Everything that I always enjoyed in the person. Dead tells investigators, Terry began his career in law enforcement right after they were married. - He started out obviously in some patrolmen.

When he retired, he was a captain over internal affairs. - But in 2014, a year after his retirement, Terry's health took a turn for the worse. - He had a frontal lobe stroke. We don't know what brought it on,

but I noticed a change in his personality. - He was verbally emotionally, psychologically busy. He was having a affair. I walked in on him and he was married

to lover having the conversation on the phone. Confirm it in about it. - Deb filed for divorce in 2019 after 45 years of marriage. That's when Katrina stepped in,

asking Terry to move in with her father. - Team Katrina's dad. We're friends for approximate ten years. Harry just moved in with him to help him. - Deb says Katrina used the situation

to turn Terry against her husband, David. Terry liked David, and as the marriage went on, he started getting the, oh, he's abusing me. The hatred of David was very evident. I mean, you could see, physically, see,

tense muscles, clinch jaw, whenever he would talk about David. I think she saw the slow decline in logical thinking

Thought processes in judgment.

And I think she used it to prefer vanage.

- The thing is that Terry would try to protect Katrina. And he thought she was in harm's way. - What detective still need, however,

is physical evidence linking Terry and Katrina

to David's murder. They hope science will provide it. - The shirt that was wrapped around David's left wrist was sent for DNA analysis. And we learned it contained David's DNA,

but a lot of blood on it, long to Terry Hopkins. I can't justify why Terry's blood would be on David's shirt when did they come in contact? - Also, Terry and Katrina's DNA was on the cardboard box for the lift cart.

Terry's DNA was on the lift cart itself.

And David's DNA was on the rubber mat that would have been on top of the lift cart. And that was all very significant for entrepreneurs. The concept that we have is that he had been in some way incapacitated at the Pendleton House.

From there was killed, loaded in the car, because there's no clear explanation. Nor really is there a reasonable.

That says that Terry and Katrina's DNA are involved in the box

and the cart. And David's on the mat. That doesn't involve Katrina and Terry being directly involved with the transportation of David's body. But even with the DNA evidence,

investigators still have big questions. At the end of the day,

we couldn't prove that the mushrooms killed.

Any samples we had from David did not test positive for the muskering toxin, which is the toxin again that could kill you. We didn't know how we died. It is almost the perfect murder.

I don't think there was a point where we thought we wouldn't be able to solve it, but we'll the prosecutor accept charges. That was the issue. After a five-month investigation,

Indiana detectives take their findings to the district attorney's office,

looking for a rest warrant for Katrina Vows

and Terry Hopkins. The weirdest thing about this case is the mushrooms. The murder was almost perfect, but there are certain things that you can't get away from. They overthought it.

They did stupid stuff in the end. The DIA agrees the evidence is compelling. On September 17th, 2020, the arrests are made. Terry had a lot of guns.

He was living in a house, which he and his ex-wife were supposed to be selling. We surrounded his house. He used a SWAT team to call him out. There was a point where I was worried.

I thought he was just going to commit suicide. But he finally came out. Katrina was arrested through a traffic stop. She has two phones with her. One is burn her phone,

and she also has $40,000 in cash. If Katrina was planning to flee, it's too late now. Katrina had made me promise her that I would like her see the killer.

So I walked into her jail cell, and I had a clipboard with a mirror on it. And I made her look at me and said, "Here she is. You did it." And she looked back down and said,

"He doesn't even like mushrooms." It was all she said. And I walked out. Detectives find Terry more willing to cooperate now that he's free of Katrina's influence.

He told us that Katrina had devised a plan to feed David mushrooms. If that night they did indeed meet on the 21st. They came back to the Pinnleton house. Katrina walked in and said,

"To the effect of honey, did you eat those mushrooms I made for you?" And David said, "Yes," said he didn't feel good, but it was having trouble with breathing. At that point Terry walked in

and there was an altercation of some sort. Terry said he put his arm around David's neck and just kind of squeezed him and David stopped moving. So we asked, "How did you get David into a car?

Was he dead or alive when he got him in a car?"

Why don't you really remember?

He couldn't keep his story straight because of illness at that point.

Due to Terry's quickly declining health,

he never makes it to court.

His health just continued to deteriorate. His heart was failing him. And ultimately before he could be brought to trial, he passed away. In 2022 Katrina's murder trial begins without Terry's confession,

the case is largely circumstantial. What we had was physical evidence that had DNA

and microanalysis that kind of matched everybody together.

Either a live or dead, David was transported to the country house.

His body was stored there for two days. David was around 200 pounds. The rifle sling was something that they could just grab when they're trying to figure out how we're going to move this body. Then using this hydraulic car,

they could jack the body up off the ground and push it into wherever they needed to. In the night of the 23rd and 24th, they used the lucky talkist to coordinate between the two cars and dump the body.

The defense argues the state's theory is just that, a theory. There's no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt Katrina was involved. The jury agrees, in part. She was not found guilty of murder. The jury just couldn't be sure that she killed it,

but they knew that she had made agreements to kill David that certain over an accident taken. Instead, they find Katrina guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and failure to report human remains. Katrina was sentenced to 34 years in prison.

That felt she should have got life.

She took life, I think she should have been in her for life.

But Indiana says different. She's in the best place that she can be right now. I just feel that whoever is her friend in prison, think twice.

David finally had a family in grandkids.

He loved it unconditionally. In Katrina's daughter, I know that they loved him. He didn't deserve to die the way he did, it's terrible. Absolutely terrible.

If nothing else, Dave's murder shows us all that we, we can do a better job of being more interactive on a human level with our friends and loved ones and get to support that you and we all deserve. (upbeat music)

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