Spittin' Chiclets Episode 625: Featuring Rob Ray

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What is up folks, welcome to episode 625 of the Spitchicles podcast presented by Biz. You're doing it. If you're watching Pinkies Up, Pink Whitney, let me show you guys Pinkies Up. If anyone is wondering what the hell is this goofball talking about, it's our new commercial. It dropped today, had no idea just saw it on business Instagram, and yeah, Pinkies Up.

This is catching on. This has caught on. So, Shadow Pink Whitney, shadowed our underground club that nobody knew about in the deep dark parts of Hoboken that's a Pink Whitney, what do they call it, Keith? Back in the day.

Yeah, easy. Speak easy.

“So, if you want to get involved with your Pinkies Up, go to a local bar, go to local”

liquor store, grab some Pink Whitney, grab a shot, make yourself a drink at home, and go Pinkies Up with the boys. Right, Piz? It might be Jersey, Jerry, and Little Sassas knew a gaming lab, who knows, right? Because they want in on the Pink Whitney sponsorship, so we still have to kind of deal with

him, but incredible idea, and I love it. It's easy. It's a very easy to market that, and if you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, I like that. Pinkies up.

If you see me around, just give me a Pinkies up, I'll give you one right back. We can even tap Pinkies. I know what sounds a little weird, but boom, in the world of Pink Whitney, it's not odd at all.

No, you always say with love wins, right?

So if somebody cuts you off, and they're being an asshole, instead of giving them the double barrel, just give them the Pinkies up, say, hey, yeah, I know you're not that person. I still love you Pinkies Up, grab a shot and, you know, cool off. Yeah, you just need a drink.

You're just angry and rushed and upset. If you're cutting off thousands of people in line at the airport, just just walk through like this. Oh, yes. You better go through bottles.

The port out in their mouths on the way by with their screaming at me, just giving them this one. So, right down the line, son of a boy dad was talking about this. Did you hear the, did you see the club? Yeah, I did.

And for people who don't know, we were on son of a boy dad. Great guys. It's Francis Ellis. It's Ron. It's sass.

And it's just really the whole show. I'll tell you guys about that. Yeah. Now, Francis had my back. I think Ron kind of had my back.

Sass. Sass turns out to be the biggest scumbag of anyone. Because he said he loved you, he said he said he was a big Whitney guy. Yeah, but I love sass too.

But in the sense of the argument or the discussion, Sass said he will never let anyone

caught him. So if you're, if you're somebody like me that's I'm going to miss my flight. No, granted, I ended up in the Delta Lodge. That was the tough part of the story. He's like, no, no, I'll miss my flight, too.

Because of his experience, there was a bunch of people who were late for a flight where he was right, though. He's like, well, if I let all these people go by, well, then all of a sudden, I'm going to be late for mine.

“And so Sass is a different circumstance, but I think he made it sound like it's always”

no. I think that that experience just made him say draw a hard line or if anybody is late for their flight, too bad, so sad, rebook, it's your plot problem. To the point where when it happened to him, he looked the guy, then the face you guys absolutely not.

I'm not if you go, but if you guys go by, I'm going to be late for my flight. And then, but he, the guy who was asking people had gone past, let's say 10, 15 people, and then got to Sass, so then he was stuck behind Sass, and he was just there the whole time. So they got hit.

They got caught on comfortable with this. Oh, yeah.

Oh, I'm a cross. Thank you.

Don't even think about taking another step.

You and your whole party can sit your ass down. For me, I'm going to tell my friends, for me, it would be more uncomfortable just having them stand there for the 15 minutes, it took the check in right behind you and you're going to Sass.

“I think he, I think he kind of lives, drives when it's uncomfortable.”

Like Dave, yeah, I don't know if it's to that extent, but I don't think Sass gives a shit if it's awkward. I really don't. No. Respect him for it.

All I could think of when Sass was telling that story of him saying no, and, you know, Sass, like he, he looks like a gamer, like a video gamer, you know, I'm sure he has his headphones on at the airport, hood on, whatever. All I could think of was him telling your dad, wit, that he can't go by in what would ensue after the fact would be life altering for Sass.

Why would your old man challenge him? I think back in the day, Dan Whitney, 25 years ago, he's probably like headlocking the kid in the middle of the airport, like they're rolling around, like wrestling, pinkies up. But nowadays, my dad would say, hey, you know what I understand, and get it, and with old age comes peace of mind, and I shouldn't say old age as you age comes peace of mind,

and maybe realizing that this little gamer slash comedian slash, um, how else would you just answer?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, non first class flyer, um, he's going to win the day.

And so, yeah, I was laughing a lot. I, I thought it was hilarious. Actually, Francis, Francis asked me, Francis is internet invitational fame has exploded to the point where he's now getting asked and paid like a lot of money to go be the comedian at member guests and one of them is at this insane,

“like golf course, like pop of the line world class, are you allowed to say which one?”

Uh, he didn't, so I'm not going to, but he, he not only is being paid in an exorbitant amount of money to be the, you know, the kind of the host and the entertainment at the member guest men's night, they're also given a spot in the member guest. He asked me to play in it. And I, uh, so it's funny.

I guess that leads me into what I did this weekend, not to take over the conversation. I said, listen, this was like a month ago, I'm like, dude, I would love to. I can't because if my son makes it through rider and his team make it through playoffs, we'll have the semi finals that weekend and the finals hopefully. Now, at that point, the chances of us getting through, I thought, we're pretty slim.

As I think we finish, we finish six that the end of the league at the end of the season. Well, boys, the junior dogs, tier two, might 18, Pinky's up, got through this weekend. Let's go. It was, it was great. And, and, and it was one of those things where you go in. And so there's eight, eight of the, whatever, 11 teams, 10 teams make the playoffs. Then they split you off into two groups of four, and you play, you know, the three other teams,

then the top two teams from each group move on to the semi finals next weekend. And I went in and it was, you know, some of the better teams.

We won the first game down to one.

Tied it up like seven minutes left, kid scores the game winner with a minute left. When that first one kind of had to win that one. Then the next morning, all of a sudden, based on the other teams that had played, it's like, hey, if we win this morning, we're in. It doesn't even matter this afternoon.

“Got that done to a team. Well, I think was like three and one against us this year. Pinky's up.”

And then in the afternoon, against the team who had to win to get in, maybe we lost four three, but like, we had a hell of a weekend. And as a as a coach, I think all got people who coach whatever sport and youth sports. It, it, it's very fun. It's also sometimes a lot, right? Like you're, you're sacrificing a ton of time and energy, but that's not, that's not nearly as, as much fun it is that the tough things. But seeing the kids improve and seeing how happy they were and who's the best feeling. Now, my due in Florida, they sent a video.

I think they did it for the other coaches on my birthday of every kid wishing me, you know, happy birthday and I was like, I sort of got it. I got like a little emotion like this is just awesome. Like hopefully some day these kids like, oh, I remember Coach Whitney or something like that. He helped my game and for writer personally, writers, I think he improved a lot this year and he's not, he's not a great skater right now. So with this age, it's hard like he's a weaker skater, but the kid, he thinks the game pretty well. Like he, for hockey, I cue for a kid who turned eight in November.

I'm like, okay, like he'll make little plays and little passes. And a lot of the year, so he plays D, the puck would get rimmed around to him at the point. And he really have nobody on him. He kind of just like fire it back in the corner. And I was kind of showing on like, hey, but I get it, you know, you don't want to lose the pocket, but you have, you have time and you can get your feet moving.

quick for him, quick down the wall and just fires a seam pass right to the slot to a kid all loaned, who berries it. And I was like, buddy, it was the best feeling as a coach. I was like, that is truly improvement. And I pinkies up him right in his face on the bench. And he's like, we can do it back to him. And then the rough made a back call and I gave him a pinkies up. The ref did get the ref did give us a warning. You guys got, you guys are getting a little loud with me. So you see a little bit of a math you shave for an, I don't see any math you shave for an unfortunately.

I do not see any math you shave for and I love getting in the math you shave for because to me, post Olympic break with all these different store lines and the trade deadline coming up. This kid is a truly generational franchise altering number one defenseman who's going to break a record this year, knock on wood that I didn't see ever getting broken again. Brian Leach had 33 goals. I mean, what was that 88? We're talking about 40 years ago. Just a whole

“little see at the time. I'm guessing he was 20. Let me look at it. Yeah, I think he was 20. And he also played”

some games in the NHL the year before that. I think he played like 17 games in the NHL. Yeah,

that dip this toll a little bit. Obviously Brian Leach is incredible Hall of Fame or you know,

one of my idols growing up, but like the fact that like he was a few days math you shave was a few days away from not even being in this draft. And he could be good drafted next year. This coming year. And the fact that he has 20 goals already is absolutely insane. You turn 21 that year when he had 23. Yeah, this is, it's not. Shapers actually closer still closer to 18 years of age and he is the 90. Yeah. So that's I wrote that. Riders age. Yeah. And then he is most of the league. Yeah,

just his IQ and how scout just say like he doesn't force it either, right? He just kind of

“lets the game come to him and say in short. I mean, our expectations were high boys, but the fact”

that he's doing what he's doing on the ice and he has like the character and the attitude and then just like the the media sense and all of it. He's a full package and he's a complete

organizational game changer and they got to be so fired up that they picked him one. Yeah. And I actually

I was listening to an interview with boomer a sigh or boomer a sigh and legendary Hall of football player in Shafers living with boomer a sigh since thought or if you guys didn't know he's living okay that's not hard. And he did an interview and he was like, you know, talking about how we didn't make the team. He's like, watch, I guarantee you he comes back from this Olympic break and just starts getting hot again and I'm like, Jesus Christ, he's got four goals and two games

being back, right? I don't know what he knew or what if he knew what he was going to be doing before the during break. I don't know if he went back and just skated all break, but he has came out insane because that's a tough break for an 18 year old kid to be, you know, to take two weeks off of not playing when you're getting in such a good rhythm of figuring out the league to take

two weeks off and come back and come back with this fire. It is truly amazing. I want to say he had a

“two goal game the game before the break too. So he's the first game. I think he has two two goal games”

since it. Yeah, you said it. And probably lit a fire under his ass because I think a lot of people did want him on the team. When Morrissey went down, it's like, oh fuck, that would have been, I think I would have liked to have seen shape for there. But I mean, also, you could say that a bull booshard a lot of Monday, quarter backing after the tough loss for the Canadians. But I don't know, if you guys have any other like stats or I do have a couple of kids. I have a couple of stats.

Now, part of watching him, it's the skating right away that jumps out. Okay. Like, obviously, this kid is, you know, he, we're looking at like a top 1% skater in the NHL. He's, he's got the most 22 mile an hour or more speed burst in the NHL this year by the commencement. And if you look at like his game, like, it's not all skating though because he has such a crazy hockey IQ and his skills are so good that, yeah, he has the ability to beat people

one on one with his skating, but like, it's his brains that's making him so good. It's not just the skating. It's like the decision making stuff, which is the hardest part of getting in the NHL. Now, when you can get out of trouble and get out of problems in your own end because you're skating, it just, it makes it that much easier. But we're looking at a kid as Biz mentioned,

He's third in the league in pop possession. He's second in the league in zone exits, second in

the league in zone entries, third in the league in open ice deeks and tied for second in the league in goals. Wow. Really under the hood. 18 years old, that's a tweet from Mike Kelly, our guy and wow, that's our guy. And another tweet I saw, this is Topher Scott at hockey think tank. It's a clip of it was two to two, 10 minutes ago in the second period of the game on, what was it? Sunday night of Florida and the Islanders, in which the Islanders came back and won a game that they were down

two goals for the second game in a row, it seems like they've done that all year. Barzao and

“Shafer in this clip, you have to watch this. They're skating and them working together and”

kind of switching spots all over the offensive zone leads to a crazy chance by Shafer when he takes it on the rush. And it's just, it goes, it goes back into, yeah, they got lucky when in the lottery, but all these teams who, or fan bases who don't agree with tank and I get that, but look around the league guys and look at the players we talk about most and look at the teams who turn it around quick. You get first overall pick, you get second overall pick and, and Calgary

and, you know, there's, and look at San Jose, look at what San Jose has done. I think Will Smith was fourth then celebrating now Misa who doesn't even really play that much. It's on like pace if he played a full season for up 40, 45 points. He's 18 years old. You have to finish in the bottom or get lucky as hell winning the lottery to get like game-changing franchise-changing talent. And so if I'm some of these teams and I'm looking around, I get the ticket sales and what tanking can do and how

“tanking can go wrong, but I also look at what you need to have happened to get a player that's”

going to change your entire franchise around. I think if you look at those top-end guys and my guys who are at the Olympic shining in order to change organizations around, you need the top five top 10 picks. Even if you need to take top 10, top 10. I hear you. I hear you. It's hard. The drop-off after like the top three is being the same. It's the three. It's definitely dips a lot and yeah, it's you're going to probably see a few teams doing their best attempt to tank after this deadline.

But a lot of sellers, man. A lot of sellers right now, but you said it though with the shape for thing too, which is crazy. Obviously him going first overall means the islanders were so bad last year. They're still they're 21st in the league for goals four. He's second on his team and scoring like he's not surrounded by these superstar players that had given him back there.

“No disrespect to their team, but like Barzo and Horvata, they're two top dogs, right?”

Up front and then, you know, it's kind of you could be out there with, you know, they like to mock it up. They play a different type of game. So the fact that he scoring 20 goals on, you know,

with a team like that is so incredible to me and to do it at that age, like, you want to say

this guy's the limit for this guy and it really is, but like how much better can he get? I know. Dude, what is, what does he get if he, if he has another year to back up this year next year, he's probably going to be getting 18 million, $19 million out of his entry level contract. Well, a kid like this, that is this young and yeah, when they can resign him next July one, this is a kid like I'm taking four and five year deals max. The whole, my whole career.

I, if I am a high and elite level superstar player in the NHL, I am not taking a seven-year deal. Ever. Yeah. I don't, I don't like, where's the, where this game is going, where it's at now? How much room we have to grow and how much more popular it can still get in the US? And I just think with, with how the game presents on TV, it's getting better and better and the excitement around the

league is getting higher and higher. If I'm a superstar, I'm never taking a seven-year deal.

I know, Biz, we talked about this off-camera and in, in, in locking it up and, but dude, it's going to change all right, because now it's going to succeed. And it's, you know, seven-year for the team that has you and then six years if you're, you're restricted or unrestricted free agent going to a new destination. So the four or five-year deals make a little bit more sense, because the eight years is the last year you're going to be able to do it. But yeah, it's going

back to what you talked about how they don't get, they don't have really any goal support other than a few guys. I want to say Soroken and the islanders right now have the highest saves about expected in the entire NHL. So that's a big reason as to why they're in a playoff spot. I don't know if

getting worked. I think Vegas has the third worst right now. And they are just leaking oil. So

I don't know where you guys were. The goal-tenning just matters so much in today's NHL. And it's, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a big reason why the islanders are aware they're at the fourth in the league for goals allowed at 2.74 again. Not to bring this back to the junior dogs 2017 birth year. But I did, the reason I mainly brought it up is because our goal stood on his friggin head. Like, and it made me think it's like, wow, these kids are turning nine this year. Like, Ryder will be nine at the

end of November. But this whole age group, there's some nine year olds right now, whether they're nine years old or in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Like, it is goal. It is the game of goal-tending. We saw it. We talked about it with hellbuck in the gold medal. And when you get into the playoffs, can you rely on Sorokan to continue this? Like, can the islanders go on a run? Like, my gut would say no. But because it's not a one game thing, right? But if you look at, like, if he somehow catches fire

“to a certain extent, like, they could win two rounds, right? Who would the island just play right now?”

I think they'd be maybe playing Pittsburgh. That metro is a kind of a janky division. But here's the thing though, I've continued to be like, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh. I wrote them off last night against Vegas and look what they keep doing. No Sydney Crosby. They spank them five nothing. So yeah, I mean, that's obviously that Carolina series that they played then next would be a lot different story. But I think that if your islanders Pittsburgh right now, that's a coin flip.

A coin flip. And that would be a fun series sitting back. That would be pretty entertaining. They're going to go back to the Colosseum to play. Yeah. I don't know if you guys heard that. Yeah,

they're doing the first three rounds though. Yeah. Yeah. But guys, I don't see anything shorter walk.

Like, we talked about them not being able to score that much. I don't think there's many teams that would want to play them in the playoffs. Like, they're a pain in the ass to play against it. I would imagine they're they're hard to play against their fast or physical. Like, they're not a team that's going to make it an easy seven games here. I wouldn't want to play them. And I actually, I know I said I just picked, I would pick Pittsburgh. But I want to just give

a round of applause for the islanders because I do believe Sunday night. That was the final nail

“on the coffin of the Florida Panthers. Yeah, they're dead. So I can honestly like get out of my face”

for a year. Get out of my and if the others were like looking even somewhat better than they are, I'd be really excited. But the Panthers dead, the Leafs dead and the excitement of the Eastern Conference playoff picture this year to me. That's like the storyline of the season right now. All the new blood. We're going to get into Buffalo and how dominant this team has been for a long time. We're going to look at Detroit who's sitting a wild card spot right now. But that

Atlantic's kind of crazy Montreal who got in last year. But you know, it wasn't there time yet. Washington had had their way with them. Boston somehow is in the mix. No clue what's going on there this season. Can't believe the run they've had. So it's all about kind of getting rid of Florida and Toronto. Who you could trip to run all you want. They've been in the mix for a while.

They've won one round. I think twice, but big deal. They're always in the playoffs. Florida's just

dummy to everyone. But my my biggest takeaway will talk more after the deadline Friday. If the Carolina Hurricanes can't get through the Eastern Conference this year, this is their year. Just wrap it. This is their year biz. There's no excuses. There's no teams out there that are the boogie meant to them. Florida is a team that just dominated them physically. There's no one out there really liked that. I mean, the Bruins are really physical and they're tough bigger team. But

this is the Hurricanes time. It has to be. And I wonder what they do with the deadline. I know what they're trying to do. Okay. They're trying they're trying to get trod. Are they? They're trying to get trod. He's played there before. They're trying to get them. They got to get a

“little bit of help up the middle. But I think that Billy G's going to bring his boy. We just want to go”

metal with over to Minnesota. I want him in Minnesota. Sam. Yeah. I think, well, it's just what you said. It should be Carolina's time. I think the Minnesota fans deserve a run. They deserve one man. It's a, it's a gauntlet of a division to get out of. But my God, do they need a run? Well, you look at it. Even like Sam coast, those good guys who have no trade claws or no move claws, guys are putting Minnesota on their list where they want to go this year. So big shout out to Billy

G for putting his team in this position and shout out to the guys for putting them in this position. But that team, man, if they can go on, imagine how fun it would be in Minnesota having this team go on a run like what's the further step ever gone to run. They went, they went to the conference finals. The year I believe that was Patrick was last game, I think, correct G looked at up for me. I think they call a rato in the first round day ended up. I don't remember who beat him in the

games seven of the cup final. She's going to have to do some digging for me right now. It was

“the as in two, 2003 season I believe. Yeah, so that was that was the year's Jagair one,”

the the cons might than a losing effort. Yeah, they lost that's right. And they lost and that year Anaheim took him down. It says during that run they defeated the Colorado Abelanch and Vancouver canucks before losing to the mighty ducks of Anaheim in four games. Okay. My memory right now, I think after this playoff win as an assistant coach, I'm kind of flying high guys. I find I kind of

lean on one of the national commercial out. He's up thing. I got an alcohol. That's always nice

when the coach of the team has an alcohol sponsor drink. But Pinky's up guys, Pinky's up. Since we mentioned Minnesota and Billy G, I thought like the way that he handled like Quinn getting to go do SNL and everything and just just quotes knowing that Quinn obviously wants to come back and make an impact for for many given the fact they've given up so much to get him and want to go on this run. But just how he's all in on helping endorse the game and allowing these guys to live

“in the moment with what they've accomplished. Just a cool thing and I know what we'll dive into it,”

but just from from Jack going over to do Pat McAfee and from the boys going over to do SNL with the ladies, I just did an incredible run since they ended up capturing gold boys. Yeah, and I

think plenty of Canadians are probably like, oh my god, more Olympics. This will be at this

episode. It's up for the occasional trip from me and Jan's just to remind you it's four more years till the next one. But let me read the quote from Billy G when asked about Quinn. He said, I know it's worried him because he wants to continue to deliver for the wild. We've talked about it and I've encouraged him to do this. Just kind of soak it in like this might be a once in a lifetime thing, hopefully not. So you get to do Saturday night live. Go, you get to do all these other things.

Do it. You know what? Yeah, you might be a little tired for today's game in the next game. I get it. I get it. I get it. But do it. And yeah, enjoy it because you can rest later. And that to me, it just speaks to the new way of the NHL, right? And now granted, Billy built that USA team.

So maybe that adds a different layer. But do you think about back when we were playing like

or before us? Like GMs would be like, what the fuck do you think your wife can't even get pregnant? Yeah. I remember I remember someone that their dad passed away and they missed like a couple of weeks and they didn't even get paid during those weeks. So it was a fucking gauntlet back then. But yeah, you can just tell Billy G played the game forever. He's been around the game forever. He knows how much those guys put into winning. He knows how much it meant to the US. He was a part of

that 96 team, which meant so much. But then like this is just another level, right? So unbelievable. But bring an entrode for a guy that if he could bring him in right now, especially a guy who is familiar with with Quinn and Faber and Boldy, like that that's a home run of a deal. But absolute shout out to Billy G for for letting his guys do that. And because we all know how hockey guys are like no one wants to be the center of attention and be there like Billy's probably

“dude going do this, please, please. Like you need to do this for the game, right? It needs to be built.”

So unbelievable gesture for him. Did you watch it? Did you watch Yes and Elf? Opening monologue? I loved how they made a thing of like, you know, the girls like it was just going to be us, but we let them come so they're getting on sort of what became this like ridiculous story. And I don't know if the quote front of me. So people could look it up or maybe you could grab it. But Billy G was also asked about that. And he really gave it like, I don't

fucking care. And he didn't swear, but he's like, I do not care. He's like, I'm not going to let this overshadow what these guys accomplished. And seeing what Abby Murphy said to us and seeing what, you know, the girls and the guys were together and Saturday night live. It just kind of put everything into perspective that yeah, a lot of people were really pissed off. And I think when you see that the teams get together and speak so highly of each other the way they do, it's awesome. His his quote

was, I'm not surprised that anything nowadays. I'm not surprised, but I'm also not letting it bother me. You know what, we just want to go metal. Nothing's going to ruin this. I don't care what people say or what they think. And it's like, I love that man. And there's people probably listening and who read that that it really pisses him off even more. And it's like the mean that they've made with using the lock room with the gold metal and a beer. Don't care. We did this. It was great

and seeing, you know, Keller, Hillary night and the Hughes brothers together was awesome. I was surprised though, to see Jack Hughes, because McAfee was in Indianapolis at the combine. That was a great interview, too, man. I tuned into that one. I was like, when did he even find the time to fly to India? It was like, cool that he did it in person, because it made it even, you know, every interview, we do in person better than than the zoom links, I feel like, although we do have a zoom

could have imagined. Did he know we were recording? No. Oh, I didn't. Okay. He was fun enough. So we're

having a little bit of technical issues. I don't know if some as calling him during the interview or his lasagna alarm was going off. Yeah. This guy was having lasagna. That is not a joke. So I said it 50 times. Well, I feel so sometimes these guys might think they're coming on like a radio hit where it's 10, 15 minutes. Well, we want to dive into their careers and kind of get sidetracked into what's going on with the current state of affairs with the Buffalo Sabers and their run.

“So I think we had them for about an hour. By the time it was over, he just was like, I need to get”

to my fucking lasagna, or I'm going to beat the shit out of you. You three fucking donkeys on the zoom call. So at the beginning of the end, when he signed on right before we started recording, I was like, hey, you good for an hour 15, you know, just we kind of throw that out there and then hope like he'll stay in longer. He's like, ah, let's keep it to an hour boys. Let's keep it to an hour. And then we're like, okay. Okay. And then, you know, we took them longer than that. I believe,

but to end of the interview, guys, it's, it's a classic. The way that this goes down and I guess also the, I don't even want to spoil anything, but, but this is it we started it with. I'll give you an hour. I got a lasagna waiting for me. He might have worn us off the hot, he's legit Garfield. He's gone. He said lasagna 37 times during the interview. Yeah. And, uh, and we didn't want to be the only one to burn it. So he, he kept him for an hour and 30. That thing can tell. Then they could you imagine if he went out there

and it was all gone. If like, everybody just ate it. They're like, oh, shit, Rob, I was going to, I was going to witness protection. Yeah, I'd go to the sort of golf club. Nobody's going to get that joke. That's where we're going to be. The Bob does. That was the track. They took us to, uh, and that will be the last of the four golf matches we did over the, the Olympic break. Fuck, did we get a lot done over the Olympic break, man. That was in the players.

I ran into somebody, uh, today at the, I was having lunch. He's like, any sandbaggers coming out, or when are they coming out? I heard you guys talking about them. And I was given them the line up, and he was, the kid was fired up. Like he's, he's, he's most fired up for Grootin with, uh, Patty Maroon and Ryan McDonald, which Grootin is so electric in that one. But yeah, there was, like, my snap count. No, I don't even take, I gave him one. I was so scared at how he judged

yours. Yeah, I, I, I just get, we, we made a big pot and I gave him one and he, he thought, I was like a personal tack on him. Maybe mocking the fact that the ask guys to do it. So quickly, I, I went on a defense and said, that was just out of respect coach. I, I don't want to mess with you. Yeah. Um, but, um, yeah, we got some good ones coming out in that casserole golf club. Whew. That was, uh, Holy fuck. Quite the track, man. The Taj Mahal golf golf. The, where they,

“I'm, uh, I'm gonna lay off the casserole golf club. No, I like that. What do you mean?”

It's great. Yeah. No, that booming, booming neighborhood community they have there. Um, guys, LA, a disaster as season, and they made the move, uh, Jim Heller fired. Uh, DJ Smith will take over as the interim head coach for the rest of the year. Ben, a weird year in LA, man. And if I'm, if I'm like reading

the fans vibe, the frustration level, stemming back to last year's first round. It, and DJ Smith,

ironically enough in his press conference, first press conference as the interim head coach brought up. I think that the loss last year and the way we lost, like, led into this year with this group. And for a coach to say that, it's kind of crazy. I like the honesty and how would it not? And I think the fans, and I remember coming on in that playoff series, it'd be like, I don't think this guys like come back. I don't think any of us did. And they gave them another chance and it was the

challenge on the Avenger King goal and game, that was game three, I believe, right? Um, was that game four? I don't even remember. But I was, you know, I don't, that, that even aside with the, the game play in which when they were up, and they were just sitting back and allowing Edmonton to walk

all over them. It wasn't even hockey. I, I, I, I can't even describe it. It was basically just like

retreat nonstop. Like there was no type of systematic game plan to try to shut down McDavid, like maybe force them to one side, a little bit sooner. They were just backing up by the time that McDavid got to the blue line, they were basically already in defensive positioning. Remember when he's going that tree, yeah, the word that drove a tip where the five guys in the diesel would already be set up. And then the guy would just basically get the carried in uncontested and then you'd start the

“diesel. That's what it looked like. Yeah. And, and, but the thing is, though, is like regardless of”

that, that, that call and, and the, the goalie challenge and kind of the, the self-implosion,

all of a sudden, the guy makes a mistake and boom, he's done, but I just really feel that, yeah, this team since then hasn't been able to recuperate. I feel like, and like, I, I, I love

“Quentin Bifield. I think that he's going to have an unbelievable career. You have to assume that there's”

maybe some also lingering effects to his game based on that. Like, you know, he hasn't been the player that I would have expected him to be this year with the lack of offense. And, and maybe it's a little harder because all of a sudden, for the first time in his career, I feel like on Zaco Patarr is not the guy. And, you know, obviously him knowing that announces retirement. So now all of a sudden, Quentin Bifield's going to have a harder and more difficult reps night in night out. But, yeah,

man, I think it was time and, and, and, going, sticking with that point in the fact that it's Copa Tarr's last year, like, I think this is a last ditch effort. We make that, they make that big trade. Basically, it's one in one out with Thealago and down, and your socks. That's what they make that trade with Thealago for the year. Yeah, I don't know either, but I like the, the opportunity that DJ Smith has to do in order to, to basically make, make it a fun environment, make Copa Tarr's,

you know, last whatever it is, 20, 25 games and hopefully they end up making a run to where they get into playoffs, make it enjoyable and make it a, you know, a team bonding experience and hopefully they can rally around it with a player's coach like DJ Smith, but it definitely has been a big disappointment in the moves that Hallen made in the off season and hoping that they would find themselves in a better position. A few people have mentioned Elias Peterson, potentially being

dealt to LA. Do you guys like that? What do you think of that? They have 13 million cap space right now

with Thealago? Well, fake Elliott Friedman broke a trade to Detroit today that I believe like articles were then written on a. Elliott Friedman? No, it was Elliott Friedman and then it was his Twitter handle, but instead of HNIC, it was HINNNC. Well, I was staring at it like, what is, what is different here? Other than getting busted by Frog. I got, I got Frog the last.

“You got Frog said about it. Frogged like a half. Um, but here's the thing though, is Vancouver,”

where they're said they're not interested in retaining any salary from Patterson and they're not trading them. Well, they can make it work. They have 13.3 million. Yeah, but it's putting Elias waiting for two years from now when they have the chance at McDavid or Matthews, like they're not

the. Elias Patterson situation is, it's incredible to me. What's happened to this guy?

I remember watching this guy early in his career being like, this guy is unreal. He plays with pace. He's a game changer. He could score great setup guy. Like, I don't know what's happened. I don't get it. It's, it's one of the craziest like career downfalls as of right now that I can ever remember. Like, you don't go from a hundred point player to what we're seeing right now from him. I don't want to listen. He's not playing with a he doesn't. I feel like we're in Horvatt left,

something changed. Definitely a regression, but he isn't exactly snapping it around with, like, elite, elite talent right now. I know, but buddy, there was a time when it, like, he was that elite, elite talent that could drive or his own guy. Yes, you're making that much money. You

“need to be a line driver. You need to be a guy. But like, hey, we can put anybody like a bark object.”

You can put anybody with him. A guy like that where I will he ever get 90 points skin. This he's got 35 points right now in 51 games. I think you could get back up to 89 points. I think he needs to have some players. He's playing with who is it? He's playing with a Vandercane, who they're probably playing with Patterson to try to elevate his trade stock. And then Jake DeBros, who I think it's, you know, but right before the Olympic break, he was actually a healthy scratch. And that might have

been first time since it's like rookie year or maybe the first time ever in his career. Now, as a, as a bismal, as it feels for L.A. in the firing of the coach, they have two games in hand right now. And they're only four points back of Edmonton in that pathetic, pathetic, pacific division. There's one team in the pacific division that has more wins than losses. And that obviously is. And that's the Anaheim Docks. Wow. This is, it's pretty. Wow, it's pathetic. But it's

pathetic. Buddy, the Vegas Golden Knights haven't beat a team that is in the playoffs since November, November 2021 is shit that like every wins since November 20th has been against a team who doesn't

currently at the time of the game sit in the playoffs. So here's the thing about L.A. though, man,

like, Fiala's done, right? Now, it can DJ Smith and Biz, you said it, like, make it fun again, do their style is so boring. There's no chance that guys are having fun playing that way. That's type of hockey. Like, let these guys free roll a little bit and looking at fans and kind of what

shit out of them dude. He doesn't play enough, right? Like, at one point this year, I think Kempie was at a five forward power play. He's playing. He's running the power play. Like, where defenseman is, and it's like, get that guy on the top of the circle. He can release his one time or it's just, there's been so much there that doesn't make any sense. Now, it's not all the coach. Like, you go to Holland, they gaffer call the left. He wanted to leave. And then they traded Jordan

Spence. He's pretty good player to auto up for like a third rounder and they brought in Dumlin and

CC. Like, that's, that's a downgrade on both, both those guys, right? Like, that's two defenseman out that are way better than two defensemen that are currently there. So it's not all in the coach,

“but they're style. You have to make guys enjoy coming to the rank, give them a chance to go out”

and score some goals. Well, boys, LA is third in the league. Third worst in the league. They've won 15 games in regulation. The only reason they're even in consideration for the playoffs is, you know, getting to overtime, getting that point. So I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't see them getting in. And if they get in, like, oh, good luck. You got caught right? I have 14 overtime or shootout points. Like, 14. That's fucking, not really. I don't, I don't even know if there's another team.

Actually, you know, who else is hitting the same division as Vegas, who have been to, I think that Vegas leads the league in a amount of shootouts they've been in. And I want to say they're like, 1 and 8. And you can't win them, which is, which is a little bizarre. You think this is a last ditch effort to let hey, guys, this is Copa Tars last year. We got to figure something out. Like, you think they make any moves to get players. I know the

better thing. I agree with you. I don't think that happens. I think they're crazy to do that deal to be honest. But like, you got to bring some, if you're trying to make the playoffs for Copa Tars last year for all he's done for your organization, do you bring in some guys? I was actually surprised given the fact that Hillers probably not making much money that they didn't try to maybe bring in the bore. Maybe he doesn't want to go there because he doesn't see them as a team that's

going to be competitive in the next few years after Copa Tars, like, you could surprise that they didn't fire him sooner. And if you'd fired him in the offseason, which, but as I get it, like, you know, saying, "I should have been fired because I won't play off series." I think some fans would have agreed with that, but I understand they'd bring him back. But look at what, look at what's happening with Columbus. Now, it's been brutal for Columbus. They were the hottest team in the league. They've

struggled a little bit since the Olympic break ended, but look at the run they went on. Like, if they changed coaches in early January, maybe it's different. It just seems like too little too late. And if they'd fired him in the summer, Marco Stern had been with them forever. Yeah, he's coaching their age out team. Look what he's done with Boston. Would he have not wanted to stay with L.A. Like, that could have been an option. So there's all this Monday morning,

quarterback and going on from Austin, everyone else, but L.A.'s prospect, like, aren't great either. So it's almost like, all right, yeah, like, are we going to try to get in? It's Copa Tars last year. Or are we going to maybe unload some guys and try to get some prospects back into our organization and retool that way? That to me is smarter. Now, that sucks for Copa Tars. You know, like, what is the decision? Are we looking towards the future? Are we trying to help

him one more year get into the playoffs, which they'll get smoked by Colorado? So going back to

“going back to G's comment about L.A. having enough cap space for Petterson. You have to imagine”

by the time that that Matthews would be available would would doubty be off the books because I want

to say that doubty makes 11 million. So that might matter too, right? They're going to have

Copa Tars come off the books, which I think he makes 6 million this year. Then all of a sudden, doubty comes off the books. And then really, you're only lengthy contracts that are heavy or are campaign by fill. In 27, 28 off season, they're going to have 50 million cap space right now. Yeah. So maybe going back to your point, G about them going, the thing is is if you're not if you're not retaining any salary, it's like, maybe maybe the price is a little bit less than

like, what do you think? What do you think they would have to send back? A guy like brand clerk? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think Bicycles would, I think Bicycles would have to go back. I don't know. No. I feel like if they're going to get rid of Petterson, it almost just be like, hey, take them. Take them. Take them. Yeah. Like, just take this contract, please. Like, obviously,

first round for a couple of picks. Yeah. Okay. Hey, you know, you know how you mentioned that

“they need to bring back some fun. You know that that's what's going on in that locker room when they”

bring in the big fella, Matt Green, the coach, the D. That means they need all our fun. He's moving the D. So they need more fun, and he will bring that watch. He'll be such a vibes guy. They'll go on a 10-game heater. Yeah. Yeah. They'll be also after practice, belly up at a bar, grab and lunch

Grener when they just crushed the whole thing. No. They won the cup in like 17 games. That's where they worked us.

“But I think this week's exciting. And what I'm pumped about is I feel like in, I don't know,”

maybe last three, four years. We've gotten to the deadline day, and everything's already kind of happened. Nothing's happened yet. Well, I mean, we had cool act. That was a decent size move for call it out or to make going from over from Pett'sburg. I guess last year, we had Martian, like three, 10, almost after deadline. That was exciting. But so far, it's quite Olympic break, changed a lot of that. So Friday, we got a very special game notes extravaganza. They do this

live from one to I think four o'clock Eastern. I'll be tuning in Pizz. You'll I'll be there. I'll get

on the show for a little bit. Maybe keep the be able to a Fizz around Pizz. You're going to be at

Sportsnet, right? Yeah. I would assume that Army's going to be there and doing it out of the office like he was last year. Yeah. That's the plan. Army Army will be having you guys. He'll have his phone. So he'll have a bunch of you guys pop in on the set when you guys are in your breaks. My biggest dream for for well, of course, Trocheco and Minnesota was one of them. I would love to see Detroit somehow get Robert Thomas. Thank you, sir. I got a big one that's going to happen. I

think whoa, whoa, what do you got for us? Dallas stars trade Robinson Robert was sent to the Ottawa Senators for Brady Kachak. Think about it, biz. Think about it. If this happens at the deadline,

“that's why not. I think you're not, it's inevitable. Brady's going to do it. Brady's going to do it.”

Brady's at and base Austin's out of there, too. Sagan's contract off the books. That opens up the

money for for Brady to come in and if you have to get rid of Robinson of whatever. What's his name? Robertson. He's got a good example. He plays in Toronto and then the jacky Robinson Jr. and keeps mine in love it. What's the difference? Robertson, Robin. So you're saying a couple of R O P I N S O N. It's R O B E R T S O N. Robertson, okay. It's a false change. You know what I'm talking about? I think I think it has like Jim Mills, Jim Mills's

in animal. I think he goes out and does it like there's been talks about moving Robertson for how many years, like T seems like two years now, like why not do it now? You get a guy like Brady. It's weird that they haven't already locked him in. That's based on what he's done and it seems like there's a lot of back and forth to agreeing on a number and you touch on it. I think it's inevitable that that Brady could chuck ends up in the United States. I think that what

a lot of the American guys dealt with after winning it and showing pride in their country like

“the way that, you know, hey, listen, if you're a Canadian media person and that's how you want to”

handle your business, no problem. But once McDavid's deal up and he's out of the morning, likely, okay, then does dry side of follow? And then you got Brady could chuck who's leading. What do you mean? You think that we're talking about Brady and Austin? Well, I thought it was you were the guy who got this text from stuff. Are you doing stocks dirty work now? No, no, no, no, no, stop and I've made up. Stop and I. As tight as we've ever been right now. Okay. What do you think the

probability in three years from now that Brady, Matthews and Connor are playing in Canada? Zero percent. I think I think that Connor will be there until 2037 and end up winning like three cups with your others. Okay. So no more Detroit, no more Detroit. No, no, that was a whole big time mistake. I mean, if I have your balls in a Mason jar and his mantle, what's going on here? I think Austin burned your guns. I think Connor and Edmonton. It's just it's just it's just meant to be

man. It's meant to be. And I'll talk about Brady leaving. Yeah, he's gone. I'll talk about Austin Brady. Yeah, it's likely of all of them. I think it needs to happen right now though with all this shit he's had to deal with this year. Like if I was him, I'd be like, see ya. Now Dallas Dallas is on fire boys. They've won eight in a row. They got some special stuff going on there. Why is Johnson said another record to need for them, but the most stuff for three consecutive

30 goal seasons under a certain age. He is just a power play. Menace too. He's not a power play merchant as posh a call certain players in the league, but why Johnson is deadly on the pop. He's the single season leader in power play goals and their franchisees history. He said that

they got they got a good one on their hands. But Dallas like they've like I said there they're on a

“role right now. I feel brutal for Sagan. That sucks because when did he tear his ACL? I think there”

was like maybe there's a chance there's enough time he could come back. Maybe second round or something

like that. But they look at it and say listen. We're going to put you on LTIR, which now means you're out for the entire season. I did mess that up last week when I said this was the last year. You can like sneak around it. You can't do it anymore. And Mark Stone got injured again boys. I was like, oh my god. I kind of forgot that you can't do it anymore. I don't know. Now I'm switching subjects here. The injury, the tank pushed him like like a little kid. Like and he left the game.

I don't know. I don't know what that'll happen. Okay. So Sagan heard his ACL on December second. Now yeah, that's kind of ACL is what? Seven months minimum. Right. And then you mark up. Yeah, I'm not sure you're made in the lab. But don't you think like especially like we're talking about Copa Tar kind of last runs. You think of a guy like Jamie Ben like he's on the back nine.

“Like I think Dallas needs to make a move this year. They've gotten close to last”

couple years. They know what they got to deal with in the in the west. Like could you imagine

Brady could chuck on Dallas with playing against fucking Colorado in the second round. Like

Minnesota doesn't want to see that happen. No, I know. And then they should go out and do it then. I mean, if that happens, that would be that would be maybe the most electric. Yeah. What person would you have Brady getting traded this year before the deadline? Uh, yeah. That's oh, I don't know. 50. No, I feel like I'm at like three three. Yeah, I feel like that's that's that's such a big deal. Unless it's been talked about, but this is kind of all happened

quickly with the shit that he's had to deal with. I feel like two and yeah, I don't know. Probably 20 percent. Brady good shock. The senators by the way, like that poor team, I've said it all

season. They should be sitting in like second place, if not first place in the Atlantic, if they

had remotely, remotely average golden. Like that. That's the one thing that makes me feel like he's willing to kind of at least stick it out. It's like, we have a pretty good team here. Like we just can't get a save. So as a senator's fan, you're watching these games. We're like we're out playing teams and we just can't, we cannot get a save. It's so it's so like, uh, what's the word? Not debilitating. It's just like, oh God, Dan, we just lost another one because our goal is sucked in. You're also

trying to create a little momentum. We're last year they go up against Toronto in the first round.

“I thought it ended in six games, right? But I thought they'd, they played just as good, right?”

I think three of the games ended up going over time. So you're trying to build a little momentum and get these younger guys some playoff experience. So to halt that and then now all of a sudden if they don't make it take a year off, yeah, it just takes a lot of wind out of your sales as far as as far as the group in that type of experience. So a bit of a kick in the deck. It's, it's probably only going to be Edmonton and Montreal for creating teams in the playoffs boys.

I know. Wow. Crazy. What do you think about your oilers since coming back from break? Talk about not being able to get a save. Now people people are like, I keep bringing up the goal 10 and then I get it. A lot of people like it's the defensive zone play. It's the D man. It's nerves. It's like, yeah, I get it. No doubt that can be different. Dude, they just scored 17 goals on a three game California trip and went one and two. Like, and they said they're not going to

look for a goal. So the whole Bendington thing that's not going to happen. So G in the outline has Eliot's quote saying apparently that he's been told and this is the godfather, like that they're kind of going with what they have. I just, I can't believe that. I can't believe it. Stoff was telling me that Jari hasn't been the same since he got injured. I think he got injured against Boston or in Boston. I don't remember when it happened, but dude, they went and traded

Skinner. And it just seems like, and boys, I was at the end like, all right, enough enough, but fuck man, they traded a guy who's like basically the exact same who makes way more money. It's like, now you're looking at like, what the hell is going on here? Like, what, what, what, it wasn't who's one that trades so far. Oh, by a mile, by a mile. Maybe it is. Maybe it is the defensive zone and uh, that's the argument. If you get, is, is it literally that Edmonton so bad defensively? No matter

what goal you have, you're going to just, you can't, you can't give up six goals. Maybe that's it. Maybe Matt Green can work for for them. I'm not. I've played for both of them. Time.

Evan bushard has been so ridiculously good this year. John Butchagos listed his, um,

“Norris trophy votes. I think he had Gorenski won when he used to zero argument.”

Number three, he had Cal Macar. This season, Evan bushard by every metric has been better than Cal Macar. Now, all these people laughing at me, you idiot, you moron, nice ears. I'm not saying he's better than Cal Macar. Cal Macar is a better player. If you offered Evan bushard for Cal Macar, the car or avalanche would legit, they might spit in your face. They legit would just laugh you out of the building. They're not even close. Cal Macar is a better player. This year,

Evan bushard has been better. What happened was the start of Evan bushard has been was an absolute disaster. Like, I think some of the worst hockey, I mean, he was, he was going, he was going full Darnel, but it wasn't even Darnel. It was Evan bushard. And since November 1st, he's kind of been the best defenseman in the league. He's ninth in the league and scoring.

“His points everything. No, he's great on the PK. He gets out of his zone with these. He's just”

been overall incredible. But what happens is, the beginning of the season and the I test people,

they can't forget it. They can't get over it. But if you watch the oilers consistently, you're realizing, like, this guy is a world-class defenseman who also should have been on team Canada with Shafer. And I got no problem whatsoever saying that right now, the top three of the Norris, Evan bushard should be at the award show. Whatever they do now for that. Okay. Now the rest of the day, but by Zoom, the rest of the day, I don't know, Darnel got really

snippy with the media the other day, similar to the way Leon does. I thought it was a pretty cool reply to to stick. Yeah. Yeah. Like people could sit or people could sit at him, like getting a little defense of there. No, I think he's like legit. He spec asks you goes, yeah, I could you say that you're fighting here? And he's like, yeah, that's fair. That's all he said back. I actually commend Darnel on his restraint. And I'm a big, like, Darnel guy in a sense of, like, his character and who

he is in that locker room. And that's probably why those guys have his back. And they don't want him

moving. All it's ever going to come down to is him making probably $2 million too much. That's it.

That's all it's ever going to come down to. And even when even with his salary, like there's been plenty of times this season and throughout the course of the playoff runs, the guy's been phenomenal. Awesome. When he keeps it simple, he's mean. He can skate. He's he's money. Yeah, he makes a little

“bit too much money. That's not that that's the worst thing that happened to the oilers because he”

played in the all Canadian division. And I want to say you had 20 talks that year and then they had to pay him yet and by the balls. That was it. COVID fucked him. COVID fucked. You texted me the oilers. If you look back at the roster a couple of years ago. I fucking been beaten this drum, I'll beat it to them to the death of me through date. They had it. They had it. Now they didn't have a goalie yet. And they've had fucking 11 years to get a goalie for MacDavid, but they had. And

now, Savoy's come on nice. This guy's money. Awesome player. Great defensively starting to score more. But if you look at Ryan McCloud right now on Buffalo, this guy's money. This guy is unreal for the savers. So he loves doing that oilers locker room. Like, I just I heard I heard they loved him. I heard he liked to have a few pops. And he was just a funny basser. And they loved them. And he just jelled with the group. And even like I was a big fogo guy. Last year, I want to say he was one of the best

five on five golf scores in the league with L.A. And then obviously the Brit. We can keep beat in the Brober of Holloway to where we're blue and the phase. But I just really felt that they had the winning formula. They go to game seven. They lose by a goal and then turn over. And then last year turn over. Just too much too much. How much turn over was there in Florida? After they fell short to Vegas. They brought in. I feel like they did a lot with the D. Yeah. I feel like every

they've done. They brought it all over. All of a sudden. They brought all over that next year. And then when didn't was Mikla on the team when they lost to Vegas? No. No, so they brought him and OEL over all that was was a patch. You felt like a little bit of a patch job. Right. Yeah. Yeah, they didn't fun with the core. No. Now, the oilers haven't really either. It's been the fringe things. It's been

the like the oilers have no third line center. And then you look at Ryan McCloud. You're like, oh my god.

Imagine that guy's your 3C right now. But I don't know. I'll say this. If it finishes like it does right now, we will wax in a home. And then okay, Vegas gets through. We'll wax them too.

just look at it that way. One thing. If we were to move away from Edmonton, I feel we don't talk about you talk at all. We did at the start of the year when they got off to the hot start that they dipped. And then I feel like they're doing a lot better. I heard there've been ultra aggressive. I'm trying to bring in a big name ultra ultra aggressive. I heard they were

“on on and the naren. I believe Elliot touched on that on TNT. So who do you think that they tried”

a land here? It's got it would be hard soon. Got to be Robert Thomas. Yeah. Because this name is now out there. Okay. I think it's insane that they would trade Robert Thomas. The return would have to be

unbelievable. Makes eight million bucks for how many more years makes nothing. No. And then

Steent Steent would steent take an over next year. I'm sure he's got to say in this. It wouldn't he want a guy like Robert Thomas around. Like he just seems like such a St. Louis guy like a player. I don't know if it's because he's been there for a while. But like I don't know. He just seems like a guy. I wouldn't want to get rid of him. But if you do get rid of him, you're going to get a boatload form. Like you'd said that. That would be like to add to that forward group with him,

the way he plays. I think that would be an unbelievable, unbelievable deal. But that that's another one that seems like a summer time deal, too. Just with like the I'll big of an amy as. Dude, Thomas has five more years at 0.1. Show. Okay. He goes to Utah. TJ again, Logan. Right. Now, maybe that's something where Steent's like all right. Well, if I'm building for two or three years from now, that's some that's a player that's like,

okay. Right. I got this guy. And it would be a lot more than that. But that's a super high pick with a ton of potential. Now, I love the fact that Ryan Smith and Utah, he's a, yeah, every single insider saying that all they're all they're hearing is how aggressive he is. The 10th guy on the bench in the NBA makes for the first line center on every team does in the NHL. So he's probably laughing at these numbers. Yeah. Right. Good point. I can't wait to see what happens with Robert Thomas.

The other the other name is cadre. So apparently, um, I think three people, three high ups in

“Colorado were at the flames game against maybe it was Anaheim. If he goes back there, that's what we”

said screwed him was when he when he left there. Since they've lost him, they just kind of haven't been the same in the playoffs. I feel I know rock Nelson though at this point is yeah, great. With the way that he's played, now that he's finally settled in in Colorado, um, as Elliot also mentioned, though, is I don't feel like Calgary's interested in retaining money either. So it's like, ah, well, where, where does Colorado go? I mean, they can't have much cap space on the books.

Who do you, who do you get rid of? The, the, the Girard deal and getting him off the books, probably help them. Gee, help us out on cap space for Colorado. And where everything I hear says that, like, Ross Colton would be traded for like, oh, I like his wheels. I know, I know. I think he went pretty cold this year. Army put him out as a slump buster. And I think he scored the next game.

Army's a magician with that. They currently have 9.8 million cap space. So they do have some

money here to make a deal. But busy talk about Nelson being a good fit there. And he's been awesome, especially this year. But now's in the playoffs, the way he plays, he keeps other teams like he, you don't want to play against the guy like that because he might cross check you in the face. He's got that, you know, screw loose, where it's something in playoffs. We need a guy to raise something. He's going to do it. Yeah. Like, that's a home run. Well, fuck. Might as well have all three of them.

Well, biz, it's, it's apparently, uh, you're, you're a Maple Leaf guy. Scotty Lawton could be on Colorado. That could be a guy that they go out. That would be a good, yeah. That would be, I mean, yeah. That's like a cog Leone when Cogs was there. That type of player. Yeah. That's, that's the big of a guy. He's a vibes guy. Toronto is, yeah, they got a, I'm hearing all of Reckman Larson's name being thrown out there. Just because he's also got term. I look at him like a

carlow deal, where somebody's licking their chops and I could bring in this guy as a number four.

I want to say he's locked up for what how many more years under four million. And, and you got,

you got a guy. Like, it's, it's not just a plug and play for the rest of the year. So I would imagine his return could be nice, McMahon. Um, and yeah, but if they're going to blow it up and Toronto, why not just blow it up and get, well, yeah, unless you're getting the proper returns,

“I would, because I think that Oliver is a great player. I think that Scott Lawton, I just don't”

know what Scott Lawton's asking for. What is, he's probably got Toronto by the balls in, in the sense of what he brings to their locker room is you're asking for three and a half, four million boxes as a third fourth line center. Like, what's he asking for? So Toronto situations very interesting. I'm going to get to see them play tonight in Toronto against, uh, Meachkov and the Flyer. So I'll be

seen Meachkov play live? No, I got to see him between the benches and Buffalo. Oh, yeah. And, and that's

where I was, he was getting muscle off pucks and stuff like that. So I'm, I'm, I'm interested. I, I'm, he had a good, the hot start. I did get a two goal game, the other night, uh, fresh out a break. So, uh, he's, he's doing his best. Shave for impression right now. What it, what it, uh, I know you don't fish for it, but what it talks say about him today when you said, I, I had to leave to come record the podcast. Just kidding. Oh, I, we did game table them in the room. I sat there

me and Meach. Hey, Matt, I'm bringing this buddy of mine. Yeah, he's a translate. I had to get the podcast. You ever seen one of these, Meachkov is a laser pointer. All right. All right. Roll the clip.

“See this before we get to Rob Ray guys. I want to talk about Buffalo. I think Buffalo is one of”

the best teams in the NHL. How crazy is that to say? They bring in a new GM and all of a sudden, they are a complete wagon. Like, not like, hey, we're going to say a wagon and drop T-shirts, then they're going to lose 36 games in a row. We're talking 21, 5 and 2 in their last 28 games.

Since December 1st, first in the NHL with 52 points, first in wins with 25, outscoring teams at

5 on 5, 82 to 59, the Olympic break ended. They've won three in a row, including back to back, or at a Tampa. They worked over Tampa. That's the left. Yeah. They were 17-01-1 in his last 18 games. They run him out of the game. They shut down Koocharov. It was just, it's been a clinic. It's been something that nobody saw coming. I don't even care if you're a die-hard Sabers fan. You didn't see this coming. Tage Thompson is a machine. Alex Tucker's a machine.

“I think it's quite obvious to everyone. Your mo come in there. I don't give a shit if we can't”

sign Alex Tucker for the deadline. We are not trading them. We believe we could beat anyone. They're not even dead to rights to win the Atlantic. Yes, they're behind Tampa and Tampa as games in hand. But Tampa goes to Buffalo for two more games this season. They win both of those in regulation and continue this run. We could look at an Atlantic division winning Buffalo Sabers team. They come back home tonight as you're listening on Tuesday. They got Tage Thompson towels with

gold medals and USA logos everywhere. He said these are the atmospheres and the and the buildings you dream of playing in as a kid. I think we're looking at 2006 playoff hockey type vibes Tuesday night. Oh yeah. And on top of that, they had the leading amount of people watching that gold medal game. The Buffalo region led the way. That's a hockey town. That's a hockey region. And while they're on fire right now, so all thanks to you saying they have zero point zero percent chance to

make it a plus. You're welcome. Zero point zero. Do you think that you think they should be forced to rehire Kevin Adams if they win the Atlantic? If they win the Atlantic, you can't bring them back in because the vibe since he left. But if like they somehow won the couple keys on the ice, right? Like, hey, Kevin, like we could clinch the stand. I think you got

“you have to give them a ring. That's a lot of negotiable. But it's kind of like on a way different”

situation, but he did a lot more for Buffalo than I did for Pittsburgh. I didn't want to ring. I didn't want to ring. Now, maybe he does because he built the team. Right? I was just traded. See, later Chris Cooley comes and I didn't want to ring if they ever even offered one. I think baseball does. I don't believe hockey does. But he built this team. I just meant watching them play

as crazy and and talkable, talkable, tanking and talkable being bad to get first overall picks.

Ross Misdalene is a first overall pick. Everyone knows that has reached a level that I think everyone saw coming when the kid was 16 years old. You start hearing about him. He was so good in the game against Tampa. You see the goalie scored? It was fucking unreal sick. And then even at one point Braden point two handed them over the skates, right? And that Austin comes in. Little sweet comes in kind of drops the gloves with point points in with like one like kid goes down points like

sitting there cocked and ready and even doing anything else. But buddy, you got a little sweet coming in to protect his captain and other sweet who's one of the best defenseman in the league. It's just it's it's awesome. It's it's so cool to see. They have a kid that's playing D there. It's Zach Metza. I hope I'm saying his name right? Undrafted. Play to Quinnipiac. I was reading some quotes by him. He's like whether it was fair or not. Like the beating that this team has

taken from the fans in the media the past few years. It's just so cool to see now how everyone is so happy at the rank. You guys remember on the losing teams going into the rank boys. Oh, an

Like that was like 14 years of Buffalo doing that. And now you're at the rank and you're just

“this kid's like selfishly like I'm just so happy to be here. I'm you know bottom bottom pair”

and guy but playing well and it's just incredible like the vibes around here are unbelievable.

Their fans deserve this. Their fans should thank me 0.0 pinky up and now we're going to get to talk to Rob Ray about a team that he's watched all these years boys and he described some painful ugly days and what he's seeing now and how cool it is. So we'll throw it over to him. We talked savers at the beginning and we talk his career after and it's electric. I promise you so pinky's up Rob Ray was on his own baby. Guys, you're going to take a quick break and talk about bar stool

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sky raw bray you think a buffalo saver you think of a tough tough man playing a long time in the NHL raw bray thanks for joining the show. No you know problem gentlemen pleasure it's an honor it's an honor for us to not want to see this guy in a top super market back home kind of muscle you for a little bit of space in the aisles. You would be one battle through one of what were you call those tickets my avocado. Exactly, how you do it laser what is he saying?

I've been great man it's uh season's been awesome for us you know when you guys it's like doing this stuff the sit there and actually have something positive to talk about for so long and uh you know there's something that you sit there and I look at Dan I go we go to commercial and it's like are we being too positive here is this really kind of happening and you know you don't want to get yourself too caught up in it but hey they've done it long enough now that you know you got it

they got us convinced so hopefully the fingers crossed you know. So I made the big mistake I'm the fool I I was out there saying 0.00% chance they make the playoffs but I'm very happy they've

“turned around because I want Buffalo to be back in the next I remember that team you know I”

think it was always at 06 and how crazy it is and the teams you played on do you believe

even earlier this year when they were just looking bad again did you still think it could turn around

ton change on the team it was a lot of the same guys we got after like an 1-3 start and you're like

“here we go again and you know it's early but the the the the only thing that kind of maybe”

caught your change your mind a little bit is we played Dallas we played good teams call a rattle play them hard we win some of those games and it was like they got it in them but it doesn't happen all the time and uh but I think they realized themselves too that they could play with the big dogs if when they had to and it was just mattered becoming a little more consistent. Yeah I I think the teams just like it it looks so fun to watch now right like a great product they're exciting

they're young I just we said earlier like I feel bad for Kevin Adams a little bit because he built this team and I don't know if you think a new GM and and you and Yarmol coming in actually like made a difference with the way they played. Well their success this year's got nothing to do with Yarmol or the way they're playing or anything it's all I did it this summer. I was in Italy this summer and we're at the I saw the pulp like 10 feet from me and I'm standing there with my daughter

and I yell at him it's really quiet right when this he's driving around in this truck and he blessing babies and that he's like 10 feet from me and I'm standing there with my daughter and it was quiet and I yelled brave for the sabers we need all that all we can get and he looked at me smiled and wave and he took off so I'm taking credit for him okay there you go how much of that actually happened were you over there and all all of it every 100% I was like my daughter goes to

me she goes you're such an idiot why would you say that I'm like there's nothing in my life I

“need help with the only thing that struggled in my life was the saber so that's all I could think”

about and she's like you're such an idiot now you go look honey we get paid by the game okay

and she thought about for a second she goes to me I guess it wasn't so bad after all so we're

halfway and then that was the end of it in the hopes of American too so that's good vibe yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I hope that pope I'm in polish in turds for 10 years and you please break those curves I want to say something positive give me a playoff game check for from this season's standpoint though there were struggles about the hop do you pinpoint like one moment or or one thing that that you've sparked it and where

they kind of caught that momentum and positive thinking you know what it was we were on a six game trip 14 days we started in filly we lost but it was it was a chaotic game a lot of stuff went on in that game you know a challenge called all that then we go to where we go my Winnipeg same thing it was just a frustrating game and then into Calgary that was kind of like

oh my god and we lost all three of them the first three games in the trip and the guy's kind of

got together there there was a lot of rumblings that Kevin was going to be replaced when we got back and the guys that given credit is a group you know they're like enough enough all of a sudden now the general manager's going to be changed and you know this is on us and you know they amongst themselves they've figured it out and said that where they're one of ones are can change this and uh I give them credit I give the credit the leadership group in the room they they've you know

got to that point realized it figured out what needed to be done the very next night they went in and Edmonton played really well they're not in Vancouver and Seattle they went all three Germaner gets fired when we get home and you know Yarmol good guy I don't know if you guys know him because super good man he went in and so look keeping it simple this is what I expect this is what I want you to do if you're not going to do it or you're not willing to do it then

“you won't be here and I think those guys kind of came away from that and they go oh man he's”

got a plan and he's a leader and that's all it took they were convinced that you know what was going to happen or if there was anything changed there that he was going to be doing the right thing he was on their side and and he's very blunt he's great out and tells you exactly what you know what he expects and they bought into it on a Norris coming back was obviously you know uh don't panning out the way that that he's panned out has obviously been human

perpetrated but the when I saw that team play live when I was there it was the back end that I was blown away by because I think that Saniel Sin has kind of reached this like top level of potential of what they expected when they gained that long deal uh bull buyer him is starting to look like the guy that they expected in in Colorado and obviously you got Dalline and I was even pretty impressed with power even though he's been taken off the power play I feel like even he's got

on getting a little better so I really felt like the engine that was driving him was that back end yeah and I think that they realized that over the summer and they really concentrated on it on you know working with those guys a little more Sammy I'll tell you for him the I swear the big thing for him it's healthy you know for for two three years now he's

and now you know he's playing more physically he's closing gaps quick he moves the park quick

“he's being more physical you know all over the place he's jumping up in the place coming up with”

so he's confident to through the roof but it just comes down to his health he can play the name that he has to play you know Dalline's been you know great for his once again and he's gone through an awful lot and he's still being able to play at the level I give him credit you're talking power power is played better in the last two months then he has probably since his rookie season and you know more confidence getting up in the play picking and choosing when to get up in the play

he's doing such a good job of you know offensively getting back when he has to you know it's still defensively a little bit sometimes but his his game is raised 10 levels you know from where it was even at the beginning and boom fire him oh such a good guy if you ever have a chance to meet him he's so down to earth but he's a guy that keeps everybody on their toes he's there he's kind of the guy that he's not gonna the you know the ask it's in the room he's a guy that's gonna call

it's paid a spade him and you know he lets guys know but he backs it up with his play on the ice even when Dalline was gone you know him running our number one power play he's been fantastic so yeah a lot of good things there and then you know once you get everybody else healthy you still got timins and casserling these guys that you know have been kind of in and out and timins will be a bit but casserling's back now so you you got a pretty solid back end that not only defensively

now they're they can jump up in the play and create an awful lot but the physical side is where that we were kind of lacking and they've really picked that up what about Lindy like I know when he got hired there was some questions about it and I know you had him like what do you see what he does for this group because you know the new wave age wave of kids is not coach the way I'm sure Lindy coached you yeah no totally different and I actually played a little bit with Lindy and then

you know him come back and it's a coach and so you knew him pretty well and when he came back and is a coach you kind of have a good feel for what he was going to be like and he did a good job and

“but I think the biggest thing for him and even talking to him about it is when he left us and then”

he was a system coach you know in a couple different places and and he learned how to start dealing and communicate better with the younger guys and I think as a head coach you don't do that quite as much but when he was in that system position he kind of you know he had to he he learned how to deal and talk to the guys and sometimes maybe he didn't you know communicate quite the same way as the head coach when he first started but now he gets he gets that he's got to be you know you

may treat me different than you and the next guy and the next guy everybody's not the same and you know I think he's got a really good feel with you know how to get to these guys how to get the best out of them you know he tries to be fair but he's still hard and you know in practice and demanding and all this kind of stuff that you know he has the respect from them so I think more than anything it took a bit for a young group maybe to understand the little harder coach

a little more direct a little more demanding and a lot of those guys never have experienced that before

like you know most of those kids when they come from wherever they came from they had to coach that pad them on the back you're the greatest thing in the world you know keep doing what you're doing you know once you've got to him he is not quite that same guy so you know they had to learn how to deal with it as well but done a great job with these guys now. Part of warning buffalo will be good again like I mentioned is is remembering the crowds and the playoffs and when when

they are good and and how the fan base is that passionate I'm like wondering do you

“is it harder for you because you remember the days right like you remember the big games you”

played in there so it's like I there's 25 year olds that they haven't they haven't seen them in the

playoffs it's they were what 10 well my kids 17 you've never seen them yes it's a whole generation

of kids you know in our area that have never really experienced that you know that playoff fever that enthusiasm the atmosphere and all that so you know and even the guys in the team are talking you know we sit there was you know alumni is around a lot in our group you know these got we're involved in off a lot you know in town and you know you're with these guys in off a lot so it's you try to tell them what it can be like and they're like it's no way you know because the

fans you know they they there's less and less people come in they're getting on them when the power plays not work and they they're letting them here you know they hear it on the radio social medium I'm like no you guys as soon as you start winning a few games man it's going to be totally different it's they'll be lining up to get this building sure enough you know the place is sold out

all the time everything's positive from the second they step on the ice the place is going nuts

and so now they're starting to get a feel for what it's like and then you're sitting there going this is nothing wait till you get to the playoffs wait till you get this thing going

commenting on the crowd how great the crowd was how great the crowd was you know so supportive this

that and they've never experienced it before because you really never gave the fans too much to

cheer about now that they're excited and happy but what's going on they're they're getting a feel for it and they love it and they're like keep it going so you know it kind of pushes them to

“we're going to pretty good home record and you know I think the people there have kind of shown them”

over the you know last well probably three months that they appreciate what's going on and when they do it's it's not a hard fan base to please you go out there and work hard and effort and you know win a few games they're all over it so but it is like you said that that fan base there when it's going and you get into the classes nothing better I can remember back in 99 when we played Toronto and the conference final I was like this is the most people are camping out on the streets

for days waiting for the game and you know it's this it was amazing you know putting on the games at the ballpark and the ballpark full of people and the games outside the people that couldn't get the building there's 10,000 people outside my guys you have no idea what it can be like then once you get to that point man it's like a drug you just want it more and more and more and now they're starting to get a little feel for it and see what it's all about and it's it's really excited these

guys I'm sure the boot sales are pretty good oh yeah you know the the beer swords you know they're going they can't keep them in stock do you think this break was good for this group or you think they're going to come out of it like oh shit we wish we could have just you know not had the Olympics this year and then you don't take his health I guess now after that game yeah hopefully he's all right you know that would be a huge huge last but he's all right no I think they're

fine you know what I think we got some guys in our team that were we're playing and they weren't obviously on it's like every team you're coming out and you're going to have guys healthy now and everybody's going to be healthy for this last 25 game stretch hopefully they can you know keep it going to the end but you know I think it's a team that has got a little taste of success and they want to keep it going it's not like okay yeah we did it you know we proved everybody

we could you know get ourselves in a good position and then grown up take your foot off the pedal I don't think the leadership group and we got a pretty good leadership group in there that they're going to let that happen along with coaching staff and you know I think they just

they hopefully they can pick up where they left off you never know but we're going to be healthy

we're going to you know get Norris back you know you get Benson and these guys all back greeners should be close to coming back so there's a lot of guys are going to be stepping back into that lineup that you know there's going to be competition amongst guys now to stay in the lineup so I think everything pushes and point towards hopefully you know success when they come back I mean boys I I as much as I want to talk about the the sabers now I mean we we had

John because we want to talk about your career and and I'm so interested to hear on how

“you you ended up a carving out the career you did born and sterling Ontario that's what I am”

right now boys where where about says that sterling it's about two hours east of Toronto just north of Belleville Trenton small farm town I don't know here's probably 2500 that 2500 people here when I was here was like 1200 people it's it's such a good spot in your we'd went to high school and school and all that in balance like 20 miles away but no it's a great little town I was the first guy to come out of here Mac Cook was the second guy to come out of here

to play a couple like a bull guys and you know what I'm a my sister's house right now and he grew up in the house I'm looking out the window ready to craft the street and it's like that's a small town of it everybody knows everybody it wasn't behind you because you've got to hit

you for me oh I don't want to have you for mine it's such a hard way man oh no cookie oh he always

treated me well he didn't hit me too bad so yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I appreciate the way played though yeah yeah we we're not a high-skill center when a cop where we're a hard working center okay yeah so what what got you into it like were you gold glove boxing before

“you even got into hockey no bailin hay and working man that's how we do here this is a farm town”

this is uh this is what we grew up doing I my dad had a farm machine regular ship we sold new haul in farm machinery and it'd be in the middle of the summer and somebody came in and they'd say they're short handed my old man to be telling me to jump the truck with joe he needs help at the farm boom jump the truck away you go you never eat a lot so all but that's just the way it was that's the way he grew up and I was even playing in the NHL and you know two weeks after

I'm done playing the old man would call and he would need your help let's get home and I'd go home and start working all summer and make my $200 a week and spend 800 in a bar on the weekend and

starting to cost me money coming home so but it was just a lot of fun you know on people here

“I went to the ranked today skated with the kids and you know I skated with my nephews team”

tomorrow morning again and my son's here we just go and hang out with them and you know everybody at the ranked thanks it's a greatest thing in the world but it's it's it's such a great place to grow up and my kids love coming back here and it's really going to drive where my son you goes he's 17 years old my brother and my son I'm down with a liquor store today to grab my case of beer rolls in no problem to go come home anything else you need so that's just a cool spot

did what this is a random question but when you were younger your dad had said hey Rob hop in his truck going over and helping him up for the day did you ever kind of given the shrug or hang the hat it all where he taught you maybe you're you're you're you're not going to do that again you're just going to let's not say I was scared to death of my dad my dad's 85 years old he's sitting out there he can't hear anything he's drinking his uh recording lime and water and he

looks at you know like you need another one that and I'm still a little intimidated by him so

no no no you never question the old man is he the one that instilled obviously tough this in

you too like even when you play what he's like like what got you fighting well fighting I was just like in junior when I went to I got left here it I don't know my band of me here and I went to Trent and to play junior B and I'm at 14 year old kid and you're playing 20 year old men and my very first uh try out in Trent and I could still see the guy he was only like five nine maybe five a little guy and and getting a flight with him and I'd never been a flight my life

and I go to the ice and he picked me up by the back of the shirt and back in the pants and he threw me headfirst into the wall and I go home and I'm like Trent is about 20 miles from here I come home and I'm like dad this is what happened boy I learned to defend yourself and you know just going from that point on and that was my first bite in hockey but from there you know next year I played

“tier two in wippy and I think I had 400 minutes of poundies that year and we won like six games all”

year and it was just like oh my god it was hell but three of us have that team made it to the NHL from a team that won six games when we were 16 years old and you know off to uh to uh cornwall for three years and that's you know the only chill back then everybody fought of your 50 goals were you still fought minors got drafted after my third year of junior that sense of the minors after training camp and John Ben Boxman was the guy he's like look this is what they want they think

you might be able to do it but you're interested in doing it and I'm like 19 I'm like hell yeah you just show me but I quickly find out John Ben Boxman was a wrong guy to get fighting

instructions from he'd never been a fight in his life and I ended up getting yeah it would be I ended up I

46 fighting majors that year 446 minutes of poundies and I bet you I won maybe two sights oh I can see out of my eyes from September to for again you know the season was over but I got you showing up every night yeah but it was like these guys are like back then 35 the 40 year old guys playing for the lively hood and the minors they got a wife at 10 kids and you know they were at some shitty ass kid coming in and and try to mess them around they was oh man I just they're

like there's so many guys down there that we just like scared the death of it yet you just kept doing it then you got a chance the next year to play so it was all work but once you got to the NHL it was easy the minors were it was hard man yeah it was like they played for real man like you there was no messing around and we were down it's they're getting the knee to the head you're

“getting a finger in the eye you're getting your mouth ripped open and I think there was more”

injuries happened once you got to the ground because they were just animals and no cameras but I I was gonna ask you is that like kind of what growing up in fighting in juniors that kind of where

you learned what the kids called nowadays thirst trapping did you always fight with no shirt on

your knees so come on the ladies looking at it no I was I was single to his 35 I got married at 35 so in a veteran and I was a decent shape the one ever take over back down off no wonder when you're at a home man you get that shirt off and then roll it to the bar after the game it was like picking shoes because it was like everybody was like they loved it and still like get these old knees down to me at the rink you know they're 70 years old like oh my remember when he is a slow

busher I was like yeah still and I've asked his my son or my wife or kids will be with me and I'm like still got it a voice I still got it I was like my friend from Buffalo she I asked her she's a

to a game where you you just stripped off at home I was like what the fuck is this and also they

“couldn't grab on yet so they think there was nothing there was nothing to grab on to you like”

talking fighters fight like kind of like a suit oh yeah you're just back and tie and I tie and I were the two smallest guys doing that job for years and you know they're all huge they were all big so I don't know I it came off one night that was like yeah and then I started using a golly cut jersey so again a more room and you couldn't get tied up and we got to grab onto your arm you know they used to keep you from throwing punches by grabbing onto your body so the bigger jersey

they weren't allowed to do that so the jersey comes off a couple times I'm like that was pretty good then I cut all the straps off my shoulder pads and I had Velcro on the caps and then hooked inside the jersey so it literally put them on it stuck there no straps on your elbow pads and everything so they just everything fell right off and it was night's man you'd get some guys and all of a sudden they grab on they'd give it a pull they got the jersey and they look at the jersey and everything and they're

“looking at me and their eyes are like popping over their head and I'm like yeah I got you know but”

you know this starts on but it was it was more due to survival because you know you weren't always

big enough to deal with some of those guys and back then they fought and they like it wasn't this stuff you see today like the time and throw four or five punches you grabbed on to like Chris Nile and her Mardimic sorely or Jay Miller or these guys you had to plan on going for a minute two minutes sometimes and it was so hard and hard and it's still you had to try to find every advantage you could because it or else you were going to be whipped around and you're going to be dull and we had a

trainer dream jumpy to tell it we called him the fight and he would always anything to do with fighting man he used to give us robes every guy that was kind of a fighter guy he'd give him a robe and mine that sugar rate you know thirty two on it and he'd make a big deal about it have a big presentation in front of the team and all this kind of thing and so for us it was like got to get a rope got to get a rope guys that made the all star team got them and guys that

fuck off them so when you got that robe it was like yeah that was kind of your your certification of

being a part of the group so and he and he was always like you know he he would do it in bad ways

because he'd be rolling into the other room like I'm out of the night that Tony Twisk caught me he'd in the room the night that night and he's like all Twister raises coming out he's coming out yeah that was kind of no not friends with Twister but I kind of knew him a little bit you know because you know over the years and and and and we go at it I'll send you we line up and he looks him and he's going we're gonna go and I'm like why and he just bucked

drop she starts going at me hit me inside the face knock my orbital bone up in my nose my soul side of my face filled the air with nine days and after the game he's coming in he's all concerned he's coming in a room and he's like got it what I go what if like what was that all about and he goes oh your trainer said you were coming after me and all this kind of thing and I'm like please I can that from this day on I'd hated that guy and I wanted to kill him every time I see him but

that it's it's part of it when I guess no that's not part of it I I've actually never heard a story

like that I've never heard a story like that of the trainer going in and running off and fighting them out man that's fucking bitch if you're trained or going in and been like hey you ready and I was like hey you're talking about you I don't mind you doing it baby you're stirring the pot

“then I'm going to be ready for something but don't don't can that's how important yeah”

even existed did you kind of grow numb to it were you kind of just knew that you had to do it or every pregame nap like did you start getting like the tingling in the belly like were you able to even not day of the games like how was that like for you well no they are the games like before it was it was brutal because you were always thinking about it and yeah yeah the thing is back then too there it was such a part of the game right yeah the day before that the morning

skate the media something like we were playing Toronto I'd have more people around me wanting to know about a flight with don't me that night then pat love on tanner you know hashick you know talking about the game you know and they with the because they put so much into it so you couldn't get away from it you just knew it was going to happen it was just like get it over quick and I think most guys back then let's get it over with quick and just let it go

and be be done with it so that's where you saw a lot early in games go and set the tone and know and away you go but you know there was a lot of times too like John Makler love the man loved them but when we were at home he'd be like okay bernie raise a raise or cruiser and put

boys and then the rest of the guys will take over after that and so it was game plan to go out

“and you know puck drops I get in the fun puck drops again maize your bernie get in the fight”

and you know from that point on yet you played the game so but it was uses a tool back then too yeah it was just it was so different than like you said like the the aspect of not really like

want the fight the guy at the time it that you know that to me has always been like she in

biz talks about the anxiety but when you came into league I mean you look at the numbers like you mentioned in the miners you made it clear right away who was somebody that like um was really intimidating to go against for the first time or a guy you were excited maybe to fight for the first time as you came into the league well time and I'd fought through junior anyway so you kind of do each other but I think when you get in there and then you you see guys in the perube guys

with white skies like joke kosher I was like I don't know if I want to get a hold of this guy because all you'd hear is you know it's hands this and that and I'm like all of a sudden you get walked in with him and he hit me so hard when night in New York I think in my I was shut before his hand left my face you know he just hit so hard that you know there was guys that you just you know Martin makes sorely another one it was just like you know you know it was probably one of the toughest

guys that thought was Paul Loach remember Paul Loach yeah demand waiting for the fan of the portah oh my god he hit me one night great square in the forehead and my helmet exploded honestly got it popped all the screws out of the helmet and it was laying there in two pieces on the ice

“when we were done that's how hard he punched so but you know I you know what there was your guys”

yeah Dave Brown was a guy that you know as I got going it got a little more comfortable that it was like I want to fight this guy just want to see because you heard so much about him and we're in silly one night and ended up happening and like we're square and off and I can hear his John Muckler over my shoulder razor don't do it don't do it I'm like too late now we're into this one and we got into it and I caught him with one near the end and kind of just you know

stopping grabbed on he's like that's enough and I'm like oh I could do it you know when it was great okay there was there was little you know fights there here along the way and you know you grew up watching Chris Nile and you get a chance to fight with him if you do okay it was like yeah this is pretty cool so there were my little milestones not so much in the goal side it was you know getting a chance to fight those guys and and for you too because I mean it's a it's your list

“that it's six for two hundred pounds so you never had no nights off because you were fighting”

the heavies and I'm sure all the middle class guys wanted a piece too and everybody was coming out you because you know we had guys we had teens when we had Gordon Donley and Paul Cruz

and Bobby Boogner and Brad May and Bernie and we're all different weight class but we never really

were heavy weights so it was almost like I got stuck with them and they got stuck with everybody else and they all laughed about it but it was fine after while you got comfortable and you know once the rules changed and all that kind of thing that you know you got so comfortable with that that it it didn't matter really who it was but some big boys out there you know Peter were real and all this kind of guys that you know you don't have a brochure and it's like what the

frig they're just massive men that you just woody George Le Rock it's it's this big guys that it was hard to hard to deal with so but yeah you survived and then most of the time it's you know on a lot of times two and fighting back then was like momentum one way or another so even if you didn't want to fight if say we're from playing tron or whomever pie was playing with at the time and he was like yeah I need to I need to get one I need to okay let's go you know what because

down the road you know you might have to do the same thing the other way and you know a lot of times guys didn't understand that or respect that so they're like no no no but you know a lot of times it was done those cases as well there's still an element of playing like who would you say that the coach that instilled the most confidence in you were you you know like it's clear that you're unreal at the fighting thing and you wanted to do it and you knew you had to do it but like

who would let you play a little bit where you started gain a more confidence in your hey there is another side to the game and I'm sure the the young child and you love that side more

and I got space because of what I do yeah yeah no you know what my first my first coach in

Buffalo was Rick Dudley and Doug's was awesome and because he played a hard game and he understood the game and you respected that part of the game you know but he was all all the time too it was like okay you got this now let's work on this let's you know work on different sides of it put you in good you know opportunities to play with different guys sometimes you know play in the top line here there give you a sniff of the play power play once in a while but he he was a guy that you

know you respected a lot because he gave you that opportunity you know John Muckler was a guy that he came in and he goes hey I treat superstars like superstars the rest you just be happy you're here

good but Teddy Nolan was great you know he always gave you you know put in good situations

and and give you a really good chance of you know playing different scenarios and and different guys all the time so yeah it was it was a lot of guys and then he was the same way very respectful to what we had to do and and you know treated just really well so I you know I go back to Doug's he taught me a lot about the fighting game side of it the mental side went to when not to but on the other

“hand to you're gonna stick around a lot longer if you can bring a little bit more and I think that was”

the big thing that you always tried to get a little bit better in in different areas because we all scored goals in in junior LA 50 some points by last year junior and then you just step in and then you go you know into a deal totally different role so you knew you could do it you know so it was just a matter of getting that chance and you know he was that guy that kind of gave you that first real chance you you mentioned Teddy Nolan and I had him in junior and I absolutely adored the man

he was so good to me such a good coach great motivator but I think you only had him for a year as well did you ever see him grab the pen and go to the the board like he wasn't much of a teacher was he with you guys and um do you think he got a fair shake there like it only a year right no the first time no the first time he was there he was there for for for a while so but no Teddy Teddy was a guy you're ready wasn't the next is an old guy at the time that was Donnie Leaver and just a quick story

about about Teddy not be in the X is no guy we're in Colorado one night he pulls the goal right so he puts his five guys out on the ice the ref comes over and he goes Teddy you need another guy he goes Teddy's like oh go fuck guys out there and he goes Teddy you got the goal he pulled you need another guy and he let's down the bench and he's like hey who wants to go it was like five of us jumping over the board and then he's like so on his back but that was that was just Teddy you know he was

the guys would go through a wall form but to drop a power play you know that somebody else would do it but he was such a good motivator and treated so well but you know he was awesome awesome into person awesome man and respect of the hack out of them and you know there's a nice when

“you he wouldn't put you in the line up and he and I think he felt so bad that you know he's”

calling in and he just made sure that you understood you know what was going on and you made sure that you know there was no hard feelings he was but I'd go through the wall for that guy still that's not really all you had him for the one year you were in month yeah yeah he used to like break the break behind the bench and then like give you something like it was like a brace that or something he was the best he was just a motive all he did would motivate you get you

and then his assistance or he had unbelievable assistance that he's around a dude he literally did you like he'd be like yeah he's like everyone's getting around because he called the time out he's like I just called the time off so I would get bracelet look at this one yeah he brought a guy in and he brought a medicine man into the shirt one day to bless all our sticks

yeah help us out we went like three games straight shut out that we never scored a goal

we're like what how do you what the if he was like if we bought a doctor I put a witchcraft on him yeah if you had seen the hope this summer you it's still going on it would sweet be still in a problem even when Bobby Boogner came in he loved Bobby Boogner he was Bobby Boogner was his boy and he's going you guys are gonna love this guy he is tough his nails he's this he's that and we're like okay cool you know that's great we're in we're in

“Boston I think it was and Bobby's first game and Dean Chanel's grabbed on the Bobby and”

just kicked the living crap out of him your Bobby comes back to the bench going to the restaurant he's bleeding from every spot in his face it could be bleeding and we're like we're looking at him last but in turn and Teddy goes this is what you're bringing this this is the help you're gonna bring and he's like I love you know and so but this those things like that with Teddy we're just off the charts funny we're talking today about the like the positive vibe

towards as the assistant coach for team USA he's like the third assistant right now but uh he was the assistant coach in Buffalo when you showed up so what was it like maybe uh knowing a different side of torts where you're kind of like I guess like the player's coach because you're not the head coach well towards was probably worse as in the system coaches and chance you know because you get away with it all dude there was there's so many times that

uh you know him and he with him and duds him and duds and duds is like crazy behind the bench you know he would be chewing through pens and the ink could be running down his face and everything like that and we're like when the trainers has been just you got to say something to us I didn't say something to him you'd say something to him because I was afraid to say anything but

torts was you know you'd always know torts was such a kind hearted good guy but when

on the bench and Washington with a puck broke his jaw everybody knew it was broke because it was

“hanging and he's like what you got to go get some attention he's like puts his work on this”

I'm flung what's keep going you know and he just he wouldn't stop he just kept going but it was it was what I he was in uh we're in Philadelphia and Max is young at the guy behind the bench and torts is kind of coming over to help him and uh it was low glass that formed then and the guy had grabbed onto torts his tie on the other side of the glass got his foot up on the glass and it's just pulling on this tie of torts it was so tight torts is like turning color

and finally he got the tie away from the guy and he's over to the train and he's going can he couldn't breathe it was cutting off the circulation and and beer starts just cut it kind of

but uh yeah no torts is a wonderful man like so good so good but he would you know he's always

telling you about you know his playing I'm like torts you only played the mind if you didn't play up you know like this and that and given him a hard time and he just gets fired up so bad that uh you know it was it was it was good because he takes the time he took the time for all of us and a lot of us that didn't get the time or the extra time or the special treatment he gave it

“us and I think that was a big part for torts why everybody loved him so much and you guys”

had a lot of Hall of Famers I'd be pure torts on just got in uh oh yeah Andrew Chuck was there how's he was there how are Howard Chuck yeah wow and then oh he had a film McGillney was young then because he was wasn't over a point per game what was Dave and her Chuck like uh the man could drink more beer and not get up from a bar stool that any person I've ever seen in my life we go to all these after practice he sit there from two to five or six before

he get up to take his first lick and he would never move and and the one thing Andy taught me

he says for his or the longest day in the less you pay because he was so cheap so I'm like what he's talking about just watch and he'd stay and and we'd go to somewhere every day after practice and slowly guys at certain fade-knoth having to go home for dinner or why is it whatever and as they're leaving they're all throwing some money on the counter and he goes this is what I'm talking about see the bills it's X number dollar see the pile of money there's way more than that

rate here so you just pay it and take the rest and he goes long you stay the less you pay yeah unbelievable it's used to do that too when go out at the club it charge actually yeah yeah oh yeah I had the credit card machine and then the lady comes over she says here's your bill it's like all that guy I gave it to my buddy there yeah I want to ask uh because business mentioned peer-terrish on we were out of Florida we get to interview him here and we were chatting

about the trade right like what did you think at the time this is a hundred point guy a young super skilled player was it just a surprising to you when that went down um yeah because we all looked at this year it was gonna be one of those guys like jubber pro there's whole career and and playing

and and you know such a big part of it and and then you never really seen the super stars like

that traded so yeah when that happens it was like there goes peppy gossi was such a a big part of this group and and you know and he loved it like he's loved it there and he was such a good guy too that you know it it hurt and hurt a lot of guys and they were kind of when it happened because we still a lot of the older guys that were there when he came in um so yeah that was not uh that was not one of those moves that everybody was jumping up in the air about and and and make sure

the new guys came in and felt good about themselves because they loved him so much well what was a hashick like I feel like he's one of those guys that no one really knows too much about him he's kind of like you're going to ask about poop uh they're in poop oh yeah he's my favorite guy on the internet I love that man so yeah I see him the other day and I go I see the poop I go did you have a stroke like did you have a stroke or something he doesn't know why I go I'm just watching you on the internet

man and it sounds like he's not telling me working your way through it oh I said he's the most electric guy

“on Instagram he's got incredible whoever his PR lady is she deserves a raise I think it's his kids”

to do it what what about the denominator though that guy was such an out of his mind um he was incredible obviously no I'm the ice hardest working guy you're going to be around and you know I work quick that in practice don't score on him because if you score on him then he gets pissed off then you had to stay longer after practice he'd keep you there for an hour and I always seem to like find a way to score on him and practice them you get mad and you get mad but these are

this guy was incredible on the ice like he was this incredible but he was you know he's his favorite thing as I must see I must see oh he's screaming at the whole time and they got the face off

he's always want to be telling the guys where to go and you'd be out there and you'd go

things that you go over there and you know you go there and you go there and we're like what about the puck dumb don't worry I must see it I must see it and the you know he was just he was like guide it it was even though he he he was different off the ice we we'd go on road trips and every road trip it would be like draw straws to see who is going to be the guy stay sober to keep an eye on Dom and make sure you get back a little tell okay and he was come on incredible like that it was like

he was always like babysitter and all babysitter him and Michael Groschik around together all the

“time on the road and and one day where I think we're in LA or somewhere like that we're at this”

bar and all of a sudden there's this big ruckus in the back we realized it was Dom and Groschik we're like oh my god so we go back to the back the bar we get Dom get him out the side door get him outside and everybody's like what about Groschik we're like screw Groschik we got Dom out this is all we really need and a couple minutes later here comes Groschik getting throwing out the side door you know and he comes rolling out and he's like oh we're like Groschik we're just coming back

into help you there okay but it was just like get Dom out there let's take care of Dom so you know he was like like autographs you know out where everybody has she get guys autographs there's like everybody wanted hash your autograph and he kept in notebook and he would mark it off at the end of the year razor got a autograph on October 26th so if you went back to him at some point during the year

“for somebody to get another guy he goes for his book first and he goes to no back on his own for getting”

go first he's in the middle of the hand so I'm like oh how's he keep so with teammates if you came to him in January I was like one of your yeah everybody got one of your friends and he did a fan story at a different notebook you know he's drawn their face with the ink from the tie of Rick Rodley I'm in the pan of Rick Rodley that he's chewing on yeah he chewed his hands oh that's just that's just that's just what he was and but you know why he was so good

everybody's like screw it let's just say terrible wouldn't be like everyone wants to be and so long as it keeps stopping the park who really care so but he was yeah a different bird it kind of the whole thing kind of revolved around him razor I got to hear about the Ronin 99 and obviously it ends in it's like brutal way that turns out to be such like I mean not a stain but it's like all the Brett Hall was in the crease right like did you realize at the time did it was it discussed

her was it later on that it came up and obviously you know it was an incredible run by you guys

but the way it ended is just kind of nuts and buffalo yeah like we we obviously weren't expecting even being that position but once you get there it's like hey it's this here we go and you know

“the first couple games and dials I think we split there maybe it when we did and then come back home”

it but when that game that game that goal it was it was late at night and from my understanding as soon as the goal is scored the people upstairs in the NHL good old boost were like instantly packed up and gone and as soon as the goal went in because it was rated at the end where the Zamboni was the Zamboni doors blew open and there was 500 people on the ice within 30 seconds

there were cameras and everything and the coaches really never knew what went on until they got back

kind of the room and you know the guys that were on the video in the back room were like you know it's what was in the crease above and then Lindy was back out on the bench yelling and screaming but by that time you let out and you know there's they're celebrating there's 500 people on the ice taking pictures and and you couldn't even get a replay because those guys had packed up and were instantly gone as soon as the game was over so did it suck yeah it's not really bad but

you know it was it goes back to the way Buffalo was we go to the final there and then like the next day they had a thing in our town square in the city and there were probably 30,000 people there it was like we won the Stanley Cup and you know you're up on stage doing the same thing as if you won the Cup you know talking and the people it was it was unbelievably evil you know how people reacted to it and people in Buffalo they just look at it you know it's another one of her

in memories or history of her sporting franchises kind of they all look at it and we got screwed and most of us do do but it's uh it would you do like you can't sit back and they would it could have shouldn't have maybe been in that position we had chances when that game before

might have you know won that game earlier yeah it was a it was a great series were you a fan of the of the what is it the goat had uniform or you a fan of the old school one which one of you like when they're wearing I'm old school I you know I like it when when teams are you know they're original you we are up seeing teams with certain colors certain logos and I like it I can understand when they change through it was kind of a little different thing was a financial decision

“to the younger kids seem to gravitate towards that one now in your town but uh I think most people”

when they think the Buffalo Sabers they're not thinking of the goat head so much they're thinking of you know that the the golden blue and and whiteness swords and the and the Buffalo on the front so uh is there good yeah hey we had a lot of good times and that black and red and you know that goat head but uh we had a lot of success with it but big picture I still like the the original NHL has some unbelievable traditional jerseys like the original sick yeah it is but then you look

at like the Buffalo blues and then like Philly yeah Saint Louis that's one stunning so yeah NHL and yeah they got some stunners um Mulgilney did we ask much more Mulgilney I wanted to

hear about it was so Buffalo was his first landing spot right when he came over like uh yeah

Alex and I got both drafted the same day um Buffalo had actually two fifth round picks that year and they took Alex with the first pick and then me with the second pick and out of that draft

“Jim and Eric the only two that played so uh you know there was I think we had like three picks before”

that or something and the guys played a little bit but nothing you know too much in the league and now again with the two and and it was yeah pretty close but Alex was probably the pureest talent guy that have ever been on the ice with and and he is skating and Billy was this from zero to top notch with sick you know not a big wind up not a big pervenous stick not a slap shot nothing just quick release but puck movement you know just so intense too when he played it was it was

amazing this guys a good guy it was a good guy off the ice tour he was so many different things

that uh you know we were Kenny Sutton there with him when you remember when he tried they tried to abducting him or you know threatened him to extort him front of the money on that we're sitting at lunch with them and this guy comes in and tries you know extorting him right there and and Sutton are looking and they're talking rushing and I'm like what's going on? As soon as the guy left he was like his eyes were like boggling out of his head and

were like took care of it got all over the NHL security and they ended up getting the guy the night but we had to go to you know court and everything about it is is this but a good guy I remember when they they came to the arena trying to take his condo from them because he bought a

“condo and when he when he paid for the condo the down payment he thought that's how I was”

is he didn't know there was a mortgage and the bank comes to the rank gluten foreign because he hadn't paid his mortgage he's like what are you talking about? He paid for it when and you know they're like no you got it's a mortgage dude you got to pay it every month you just can't you know you don't just pay once you got to pay it every month and he couldn't you and he couldn't understand that you know there's just so many things with him that it was he was scared to fly for a while

and and all of a sudden they were like okay you got to be the game we're going to St. Louis they live mode and St. Louis he got to St. Louis he decided he didn't he wasn't so afraid of flying anymore flies home with this but just such a such a good guy oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah no he was playing look safer oh I can't fly I can't fly I'm scared okay here you go we're playing in St. Louis get in the car and away you go they got him there and he's like flying isn't so bad after all he just oh it's

your screen went blank it was random they're just kind of happening all of a sudden rub oh fuck they're all that they're eating with his onion I'm sitting in here talking to you guys don't like they're all from all of this all of this it's been hockey day here all day they were here at this morning to watch the can of the game there was like 25 of them now they're here watching the American game and now they have a left well we got you on a fast for this podcast I'm gonna

shed a few of those all these um um we kind of lost you for some of the multi-chatter but like from a visual perspective but it's almost like we forget though like what he was going through you know and it's personal like not only get adjusted but like the fact that he defected but yet

like when he got to the rink it was almost like the hockey was his escape right oh incredible story

too how those guys got him out there you know with hiding in houses and taking him from country to country to eventually get him over here Donnie loose with the big part of that do you know the full story can you like explain a little bit I don't think we're ever gonna get him on and we

what they were and then you know got him from one country another hiding him in a hotel you know waiting for the paperwork to get cleared that he could get from you know that country to to bring him over um you know as a young kid it was it was stupid that you know what he had to go through and then when he gets here you know they try to extort him well he's here um just amazing what he did and and what he went through which still be able to be the kind of guy he was and play

the game and you know I think at a point where he's sitting there going I'm never gonna be able to

“go back I'm never gonna see my family and you know that's how bad it was and that's pretty crazy”

for you know 19-20-year-old kid so but he you know he he made the boss and he was he he made sure that you know he he was he was he was very quiet guy he didn't ever want to talk every time maybe somebody wanted to do any of you and he thought oh I don't speak English so don't speak English you know and it was always one of those but he you know he just was so cool about everything that he did you know I can remember the day he showed up and he had his ears pierced just because he wanted to and

everybody's like you can't me have your ears pierced it's I'm having my ear pierced you went through I went through I'm having my ears pierced and you know this thing's like that that he and he did teach

me too that if you you have a smoke before the game in between each period it opens up your lungs

you can breathe by the whole day faster he was ripping darts oh huge he's like oh he's not got ever spoke then go have a smoke and then come back in and he's like okay I can breathe now let's go and then you know he goes where are you where that so I had no clue about that I didn't think I knew uh

“Zhubov did I believe that was pretty obvious yeah no it opened up as long as you can escape faster”

because you were his age drafted the same year did you kind of were you kind of the guy that were was tasked to kind of take care of him in show him around town obviously it sounds like he was one of the guys no uh right then like Jeff Parker and those guys were a little bit older and they kind of you know took on to him and kind of looked after him when he was here but everybody kind of not a whole you met a couple people you know away from the the team that were good people that

everybody knew that you know kind of you know held his hand and and took care of him as well Donnie Carl some guys around town that uh looked out for him and made sure everything was good so but you know you know as far as the room those the older guys like Davey and her truck and those kind of guys they were the Johnny Tucker and you know they made sure that you know he learned everything he needed to do but obviously they didn't do a very good job with the company trying

to kick his house from them but other than that but he was he just we wanted like he was this that guy that you know we go open by a Honda Civic he goes up by a Bentley type thing and it's like

“why did you do that and he's like I always wanted one I remember being at this house one day”

and I looked and he's got like five checks piled up on his counter because he used to you know put the check in your stall to for pay and I'm like dude you're gonna take these to the bank and he goes and I'm counting and it was like he was six hundred thousand dollars or something piled up there and he goes I can't and I'm like well you don't have a bank account he goes no I'm embarrassed he didn't want to take the money to the bank because he was embarrassed to take it in

that because he was so much yeah give me a percentage I'm all over it I'm not going to be taking it in there Alex but that kind of a guy you know understood the value of it and didn't want to walk into a place and fought yeah here you know put this on my bank account yeah so the only guy to have a lot of it yeah Bentley now we got to like not rob a bank with a no club on the positive yeah thank you oh my god they're checking the count bitch put it in there

it's weird for real yeah oh man I kind of want to go back to the fighting like you mentioned tight only theorist's competitor like what do you remember most about like the fights in particular and how you had the fight a guy like that like we talked about the jersey thing popping off but like the he would spin around and like different guy styles and how they would do it

yeah no tie was because he was smaller and we were smaller he always liked to get your spin and

then get your fall into the ground a little bit if you could hold yourself sturdy then he had a little more trouble and you stand there and throw but you get throwing hit him a hundred times you never hurt him I cut him kind of once in my career and we had the same agent for the draft and we were roommates at the draft and we got into the hotel room him and I got in a fight in the hotel room he banged his head off the nightstand and that cut him a little bit over the eye it was a little

bit coming up and we were like we got to stop this is the end we got to stop here and that was the only time I ever cut him was off the nightstand in the hotel room I hit him a lot and he hit me a lot

probably if like after you would hit him a few times would your hand be numb or were you so in the

“midst of it you would notice that because I remember fighting a guy like John Marassi and I would he”

would just take two or three off the forehead and I'd feel like my hand was broken and then he would just take over that nightstand was horrible yeah you just hit him hit him and he was just kind of cute smile and I guess I remember when we had to put that stupid tie-downs back in in the force he got me it was exhibition and he lifted up my jersey and pulled it aside and he put my head in my arm so my literally my head and my arm my head and I could see if he would do what he would

go off and it was like I died but that's when I flipped out in the maze and I went from so that's probably exactly how it sounded to it that sounded like you fell here I'm under water here guys yeah I'm like I was swinging away and I couldn't hit him but and he you know to his events he wasn't trying to hit me as well he was just trying to prove a point of laughing at me so I went from having no tie-downs to a tie-down tight as anything on the back with a clip

a tie-down on the front of my jersey tight as anything with a clip no the jersey never could go

anywhere after the fact so you went to complete opposite way off of that learning from that one experience no shit yeah because the tie-down you hook it down then the jersey would still lift up

“yeah I think bring that in it would still come over your because I don't know there”

because Razor was fucking ready for the water yeah because I must have got somebody's wife I don't but I went and I put the little plastic clips on the back of it and hooked it to my pants so was tight and then a plastic clip and a thing on the front of my pants and it clipped in that some bitch wasn't going anywhere after that then you know a couple fights in you got used to it again and away you went so you want to extreme to another for like maybe some of the younger fans

that we have who like haven't watched and gone to your hockey fights to go through all the old clips of them like where would you put your top rank ones where you were like oh man if I could go back to that that moment of going fucking toe to toe for two minutes and I'm at home and I turn around after the fight I wanted and the fucking crowd is going up to loop bananas like

what would you go back to well any any tie fight in our building was always good you know there was

“I remember a fight I got a fought gym kite and he was a nice and tight and and I hit them and”

down he went and the whole building went quiet right and I'm like oh that was pretty cool and I'm making my way to the palmy box and the whole building's quiet ripsimonic our equipment trainer on the bench and all I can hear me yelling it's a miracle it's a miracle he can hear again but I'm like no can't see that and then there was like just oh man there was so many nights that you just there was nights and calgary after what was a jimmy mcalan broke

palmy funtains lagged there the one year the next time we played them in Buffalo we were like inside their bench fighting you know fighting in there getting thrown out jumping back on their branch going out I'm ten hundred broken his leg and a fight on the ice and he's laying there the trainer's couldn't even get to him because there was still so many fights going around and there was too many stupid nights that you're just like well we got the rollback last

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this has been unbelievable this isn't this is incredible robin's was on you in the other room

I'm sorry sorry guys and everything but no I get it I get it but but my the last question the rollback is all get one with the ready answers back then of of things like continuing when you get and kicked out of the game going to lock them I mean I know the tunnels are sometimes different to lock them but I feel like back in the day maybe underneath some madness happened this is what happened now what a question I can I got a good one for that to me hundred we're in Vancouver

and him and I go at it on the ice and I'm given it to him verbally I'm cocky given it to him common old man this and that and gonna a little worsen that and he got kind of thrown off the ice first and then I came up after you kind of went off the back of the bench and then you walked underneath the stands and down and it was wide open down there and there's people down there and everything so I'm walking off I'm thinking okay I made it through that one there's a big

ass concrete pillar and all of a sudden I'm walking by this pillar and this arm comes up

start going at it underneath the thing and there's this big curtain that people were the fans

“run the other side like catering to them or whatever we go through that curtain and it's like a”

buffet line that people were in there the buffet thing goes by and everywhere him and I are getting up and we're throwing punches and we're on concrete with our skates right and we're going falling we're getting out we're falling our trainer jumpy to tell these out there and he's like

oh I need to know what to do yeah no it never said and we're still going out of packed

queen comes off and he's like always sitting he comes up and he put his hands on the bolt of their back of her shirts and that's enough and we bolted up dead looked out him and he just kind of lifted us up separators and then went that way I went the other way and that was the end of it but we went right through that's the big curtain not the whole buffet thing over fighting on the concrete falling all over and then he comes out and that's enough oh it was great that's a

Hall of Fame rollback question because it's like what maybe think of it is like back in the day you could be near each other right like they just make sure not you're not even near each other back these ranks these old ranks were smaller like the lock rooms were closer and I just can't imagine jibit buffet lines in two monsters that roll it on the cement of the skates yeah but even back then you had to get through the crowd sometimes like a boss in gardens you guys don't

“have you ever played that no I think flight there like I don't know how many times you the the”

the rest would keep you at center ice because people are throwing things and the benches were side by side they put this little plastic period uh petitioned down in between in the benches let's reach stairs into the dress room and you'd have to wait to center ice get ahead of steam up get up in there quick and then kind of pretty much fall down the stairs so you wouldn't get helped it or killed by the people when you're going off there was so many different times

in different places that was sick like that wrong we just got that work I got one last question we just got to get your video back before we say goodbye last year again yeah do you do all right and then you're out for the sun yeah and then we'll say goodbye gonna be burn you might not sign back yeah that might have been him on purpose like I'm out there's a body other keep in this rob you there oh I might not hear us nope he's going for a little

song he's gonna keep this in go for those on you come on man go for

“please go for some lasagna I think he's gone you know you know what my question was going to be”

honestly that's a great way to end it he basically just knocked us out down the end he knocked us out

my last question was how did it feel like not like putting on another team's jersey like he played this whole hour with Buffalo no he got eleven games not a while I know but I'm saying is then he puts on a lot of the senator's jersey how weird was that and he only played like nine games or whatever he played five games one year six than that okay eleven games yeah so I guess we're not going to be able to ask him because he's talking to him and answer that point yeah yeah answer

so there's a layer of sauce then cheese and some meat then another layer of pasta then sauce what did you say? we're done it we're done thank you so much for all great we did that guy that was so good unreal guys we got to talk about body armor right now this entire episode is brought to you by the body armor flash IV an official partner of the NHL all these NHL players they're dehydrated they're crushing body armor flash IV

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recording this on on Monday on 25th anniversary of title me fighting the guy in the penalty box and now we'll put up the flyers and we have that match up the flyers game wow yeah and we we're going to be talking about on the broadcast so man could you imagine that happen today's NHL I could see gritty getting into a fight I I know people out there are disgusted

the fan oh yes I I'm sorry it was after pick we interviewed him after candidate women's

US game gold metal game I don't know how I forgot I had a written down too so I apologize because oh yeah we were going to you but he had to get through his fucking lasagna seriously in college hockey news did biz keep did you see what happened in the you mass ucon game I saw the clip and it prevented what a two on one so you mass is playing ucon it's in over time ucon is in a spot right now where the top 16 in the it used to be called pairwise

when I was in school not sure if it's a different name now g you can hit the eye now and behind now

“the top 16 teams get into the NCAA tournament I think ucon's at like 15 right now they're 14 they”

sit at 14 okay they sit at 14 they're playing u mass u mass comes down this is at u mass they get a chance you can't pick it up they're going down two on one to win the game with one of the top goal scores in the country enjoy modality coming down so wasn't just some slap and some legend that u mass this kid must love and live and eat and breed u mass hockey help he turned on the lights for a goal that it wasn't even close to a goal for u mass like on the rush down and shut the

lights off in the building on a two-way because as that what happens when they score like you hit that in the lights they have an insane light show which is a new thing all these schools do it where you score a goal at home and the lights go off and then you know they you got the b's get the red light and it's actually awesome I love I don't know what college team started that you do you know I know Penn State at Pagola started doing it right yeah I saw they do it

okay but it's sick they gotta stop this then if that's the the rep repercussions I don't know

“how I think is it unfair to the u mass players and coach yeah but like I think you got to give”

my penalty I don't know how they didn't get a penalty right like put the team on on a four on three the rest of overtime based on the fact that some u mass kid who is probably smoking a ball before he does the light show on goals decides to turn the lights off on a two on one for ucon now if ucon wins that game they're then in a better spot in the npi right oh my god they're probably sitting at eleven or twelve right now I mean that's that was a monument and mind you

and Massachusetts right behind them you mass is like two or three seeds behind them in the npi so like this was monumental for college oh no it's a nice guy that kid is that kid's pinkies up in the top row well he's working to uh one I know what to do I'm gonna shut the lights off in the building he's not paying for a tuition right no no no no they might put them on the team now then I'm be like the third golden yeah but you look think that they should have got a power play

for that in the moment you you probably just you're just with the fuck he's going on right now through the officials but uh yeah I mean I'm pretty sure you couldn't do that but there has to be some form of punishment no they threaten like you know what people have thrown shit on the ice they

always threaten on the loudspeaker if you throw anything on the ice the other team's gonna get a penalty

I agree with you with the shit I've just the lights on grease grease it's such a humas move like crazy moves I've ever seen I mean this will affect hockey east standings as well I mean you can lead you mass by one point in the hockey east standing so it's it's it's crazy the trickle down effect this this light show can have on all of college hockey and shout out a don't know be you just sweeping be see this weekend just enormous be use got a win the hockey he's turning the play off

to get in the turn he but they could they got big mic big mic you go around pick to the devil's posh a better hope this kid pans out or the devil's I mean the devil's by the way of one one play off around in the last 12 years posh the talks about him like they're the fuck 97 red wings

“but i think the long shot though it i don't think it's a long shot at all it'll be you to win”

hot like that and and we really haven't talked about you know you got the lottery i think they usually

the lottery's in May it's usually second round is that they have it always very exciting mechanic guys

he had a ten point weekend against Ohio State hit eight points in one game i believe and yeah keeps got the shirt on um he as i think cemented himself as the number one overall pick well also people were saying oh it's against Ohio State they're not very good well the next weekend Ohio State beat Michigan State the number one team in the country like five nothing or five wants so college hockey is so deep there's a team i never even heard of this school August stanna

baby salt the code this team right now is in the incidentally term i've never heard of them

so as i've mentioned before i don't see a way that there could be any bad college hockey teams anymore the CHL rule the every team should be good every team should be at least competitive and augustana's proven where are they getting kids are they all 25 all CHL kids their roster actually has a ton of americans like when you go through uh they're just an older team like you look at their roster five or six two thousand ones you do the math those guys are 25 years old

they got some oh one some oh two's a lot of guys from the nal a lot of big guys as well so they're a bigger heavier older team but that's kind of what separates them but augustana their team only came into division one hockey in 2023 so relatively new program play out of mid-collarina

“i think they dropped like 40 million on that three thousand seat bar and pretty nice uh well yeah”

it's a program on the up and rise right now up and coming program and you love to see that for South Dakota okay and wait just to go back to gav mechanic he has nine goals 19 assists 28 points in 14 games since the world juniors not bad and because his line made me think you're back and dummy the kid who said something to his mom and con McGregor showed him out on social media on him a Gregor talked about on for yeah fly fishing legend i don't know if con McGregor's the guy you

really want maybe talking about you i don't know how he's like well he's going to well Gavin did the the gesture he scored he scored the goal you're right con McGregor shoulder so i mean there's a reason he's reaching out to him it just all random um we should also talk in college hockey abby Murphy our girl her saying she take out your knees biz all-time classic oh yeah she scored 200 goals again saying cloud she now is the all-time leading goal scored Minnesota 141 goals trickle's bob

showed out abby we did all the heavy left there showed out abby can't wait to see this first over all race right between her and um Harvey Harvey yes it was constant so the PWHL in great hands boys what else we got here um agino's genos getting frustrated guys why haven't they they they signed

“genome yet signed genos no sense i think i think hits first put all their money in dubious stock they”

don't have any left to pay genos base i think the dubious fans are calling themselves the the dubious sites the dubious sites i think i guess dubies the dubies was in Toronto so they had to think of a new name yeah yeah just get the stink of Toronto off in a way from everything moving forward or he was genos thrown away at around on on sunday against the vegaschool nights he looked good so i don't know what it was what it was right buried hurdles yeah right 30 seconds into the game what

do you think genos number looks like like around the four five million range yeah give me one year

deal five five he's got a problem he doesn't give him whatever he wants and you know now too it's said being out he's gonna step up his game even more he's been doing it for 20 years whenever sids out like give this guy he's one of those guys there's been there's not that many that have came through the league but whatever they want they should get why wouldn't you if you're do this why wouldn't you just like reach out to geno and say hey let's go let's go grab a drink

grab some push and flaker this buddy if if i was a young GM of an NHL team in this fucking Russian legend who's done what he's done for the organization just wants a one year deal to keep it going what he was caught to play the retirement now he's at a point per game this season and it seems like obviously sids gonna keep playing latang's gonna be back go meet him maybe he wants two year deal and that's the problem get into your deal to be fair though biz you were the one

who started you were the one who started that he was gonna retire i don't think he ever said it

“what do you mean i think that was all you you started that rumor in the beginning of the year no”

remember saying that i did oh i just i thought it was like kind of like it was maybe the end of

the road for him i don't know he never said it though oh hey okay okay well it's it sounds like

maybe it was a consideration coming into the year not knowing how things were gonna go i don't know him yeah maybe i did make it up oh fuck yeah yeah i stomped on his couch fuck his couch boys uh Gina Cove is nasty you mean dental okay so we with this what we talked about in the group chat Ben Kindle wearing 81 which looks like feel castle and Gina Cove wearing 59 looks exactly like Jake Gensel it's very confusing to me although it's probably like maybe a good sign like we

have the new castle and the new gensel Gina Cove on an old cool pace in pit castles a little bit more removed than then then gensel right and also castles probably about 40 pounds heavier than

your junk in the trunk but that as a as a compliment as a compliment but yeah the Gina Cove man this guy is just great skater great foundation the way that he's able to move around and he's crazy yeah just great hockey sense love love what i've seen from him so far in that game you don't know you was great hitting the pockets at the right time and just playing with the tonic what are they

give up for him to get him from Columbus you never really was given an opportunity and it probably

doesn't hurt that you already got a guy like Gina there right you got another rooskey is he knows they have the rushing mafia in Columbus too that's true that's true maybe there's too many of them and maybe they were like you can't remember many different oh it was for Danton Heinin and the blue jackets received the second round picks so Heinin and a second rounder

“taken and third rounder for him that's how it was for boobas doobas ice baby doobas stock”

just flying high pitsburg i mean biz text of the group chat if i gambled i would be pounding vagus today buddy i said it on national television and then Eric Carlson put me in a locker after the game did he yeah he said he they must they must be like watching it in the locker room or he said he saw it on a social media clip so Carlson just easy living man probably checking his phone between periods and give a share right is two apples life is easy to Eric Carlson

and he he said he wants me hopping on the Pittsburgh train i said no you don't you don't

know anything that can take doobas stock and it's all bismet yeah they get to game seven first round biz flies in

have a day no what's not so is that the the penguins are doing great attendance wise which all with a wise crazy fucking parking situation really brutal around the rank brutal shame in the ass to get in and out of everybody's complaining about it they have that lot where the melnerina was i don't know what they're going to end up doing with with the park situation and helping it out from that but but to get in and figure out the parking for the game

it's it's deterring a lot of people from going oh that's a shame because they've had as many a time to figure that out because that rank is what six seven years old no no more than that because they once both of their they won the second it's a 15 12 years old it's actually crazy how quickly these barns get out like outdated i know but that's another like there's no trains that go into the like you can't take the train and like you can to the fleets on it you can't take

“the train you know there's three auditions you need to park that was a great giveaway for people”

don't know the mr. Rogers sign there by biz they gave away mr. Rogers sweaters a yellow like v-neck sweater that mr. Rogers what were the penguins logo on it the guys who are from Pittsburgh yeah did you believe it was an antucut guy in the summer ski really yeah get that statue downtown next to the movie theater all that's right yeah spent some time in antucut mr. Rogers i mean some some would say i'm crazy for using this were electric i mean an electric guy like was he

electric it does a personality nobody his content was just top notch yeah all in every morning of on life in the way that he was able to break it down it just it made it so pleasant and happy and it just the way he signed off every day to the laundry he would you know he take the shoes off put the slippers on put the put the sweater on hangout jazz you know mr. Rogers makes you you know yearn for time with no internet cell phones and nonsense show all to mr. Rogers

for never getting in trouble either right i don't think mr. Rogers ever had legal issues i got

for how it was boys no no I don't think i mean i don't think uh Gavin McKenna is going to be doing any mr. Rogers celebrations postcards on the listing list no it's set the fuck up why are you bringing this to mr. Rogers dude he's a fucking fucking joke around jesus why did you guys get so serious dude don't fuck around with mr. Rogers i'm not man i love him he's a legend it was a joke he's like your guy in Canada that you called Suzuki they even see you fucking portoy said

Rico Boscos on the Epstein files i didn't hear you guys backing up Rico the writer where were you backing up the writers i did not get enough but i don't read god the Murphy's brother and his group chat name the writers also hillory night just said on cbs she played through the entire

“Olympic games with a torn mcl that's leader sholish that's for in the time i think that's her”

taking a shot at cid you think that makes sense because when i saw the video of her

legend hillory night i and through that good for her no shit she battled through injury even in the

“which he was it i want to right hand this right her right didn't go down all the way right”

knee torn acl battles through engagement battles through proposal ties up the gold medal game

and we grab our first of what was two gold medals in ice hockey wow it doesn't get old man it doesn't

get old think it back to last legend grows yeah well great show guys thank you to Robrey very excited for mr. Rogers yeah hope it to get uh we're hoping to get to get a guest on for

“Thursday to maybe ts up for what should be an electric deadline day busy we'll be able to watch him”

i know biz you're going to have you're going to have that shirt open like i know you on sports

that you'll have that thing like all this will be this will be the the only button down on the shirt i know how you show that chest of course you those of you who don't know he's in terano he's got the bat signal out right yeah up the old pussy flare the cn tower and biz doing

“us a complete spread eagle on the couch that way a little yeah yeah keep going up keep going up”

how good activate my glutes more in your L5 as one is going to be done so yeah and this is this is

biz the next 48 hours in terano we're signing off lift up those hips biz it's there it is have a great week everyone i got my ambassador judge I am busy ready to go biz hey biz this is what you really are you have pinkies up from the waist down and and with selling the pink Whitney everywhere have a great week everyone [music]

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