Spittin' Chiclets Episode 633: Featuring Ernie Clement, Ryan Miller, & Gary Lawless

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“Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is basketball sports.”

I brought it towards the coyotes, and I asked him if it was okay if I joined the truck or truck that whole time, and he got a pink witty out there now, he can't. It's a full-time member, Marley just got into this, it's from Chris Bate. Welcome everyone to episode 633 special Monday drop of the spit and chick at the podcast Pinkies, and boy did we ever get to experience some pinkie up action in the

Blue J sand bag.

I hope you guys have watched the pink witty was flowing once again, like always, besides a few

people who just were such veterans, we couldn't get through, we couldn't beat them. But most people, once the pink witty gets ripping, they just can't hang on the back of the game. Boys, what's crazy is I literally just got a call from Ernie Clement. We're undefeated as a, as a threesome, you know, because we tied, uh, we tied for play.

Yeah, still. I'll tell you the blue jays are humming though, Ernie had a, oh my, he's buzzing. Chicklet's bomb baby. I, okay, so I would forward us to voicemail to and you to voicemail, and for anyone who hasn't seen, they'll be some spoilers.

I really hope you can watch spoilers spoiler fuck you last pot. We weren't able to talk about it. We're unloading the clip fucking spoilers fast forward bitch. So fast forward and please watch it because it's actually popped off like I, and biz, you called it the country of Canada.

They got, they got one baseball team. It's the Toronto Blue Jays.

They're a hell of a squad in incredible season last year till you showed up, game seven.

You know, their fans are, their die hearts, and they're all tuning in and they've checked this thing out. Sam Baggle was excellent. First off, Ernie, they're all unreal guys. Yeah. Who called Lucas a Walmart Brice Harper?

I call them. I think I called him Crosshide Harper. Yeah, Team Lou, Team Lou Brice Harper. So, that was the best. They're the best.

David Schneider. I love him.

“I think he, I think he might, I might love all three of us, even after the loss.”

If we asked him to quit the Blue Jays and come be a producer of this podcast, he would do it. Of the baggers, just the baggers, just the baggers, just the baggers, just the baggers. And he smashed the ball. The ball, Julia.

Hey, when, when Ernie said to him, hey, fuck these guys, we got to start being me and me and whatever, because like, yeah, but we can be friends with them after, right? Well, I don't know if you can go to Toronto anymore. I might be banned from the state or the state. Well, so wait, why?

People truly, truly despise me. It, it is what it is, you know, you can't, they thought we were going into them. They thought I would meet me too. They thought, I think people were upset. And I own a apology to one man Johnny, Johnny, long shorts, Greg, Greg played against

Bobby or yes, Danny played it, Cole game. You know, my swing coach, correct, you're on my swing coach. Your swing. It was Clarkson, right? He went to Clarkson, but he played for the North Bay trappers before that.

So he told me I was, you guys thought this guy was full of shit. And I'm like, you seem to say it with a lot of conviction here. I just, you arrogant piece of shit. It's like, I don't know if you get my sense of humor, but you're, you're, you're a lot to hate me.

I, I kind of thrive on the hate sometimes. I don't love being hated, but then I'll just, I'll dive right, I'll hate you right back. We had a blast with these guys now, Greg, on the, I think it was, what was, what

Maybe the par five, where, where this all came out that you had the new tip.

And we were like, dude, come on, like, that guy's called it, too. He goes, oh, great, on the, on the, when I was on the rain, Jan's is on the putting green, and he looked over a way, he goes, oh, great. He's getting, he's getting a lesson from Johnny, long shorts during the round. He's in a say, oh, I learned this new trick on the, you sick, he had 97 in shorts.

How about what I go, how about what I go to him, all page sporadic, and then I correct to myself, obviously, and he goes to, I know, or he was arthritis in both hands. The sky's like 75 years old. No, Greg, and I didn't see any of this interaction that you have with him. Yeah, because he got stung by a being almost died, stung by a being grinded.

My ass, talk about, like, having, what around, big old set of balls that fall out there after getting stung in the chest by a be, um, you look like Ernie and extra innings there.

“So when I met, remember, I was like, no, man, that guy played at Clarkson, right?”

And you're like, no, I, I think you're thinking of a different guy. So I went back, and I was thinking, I met Greg before you, where the cards were. He had on a long, sleeve shirt though, and he didn't have to say, oh, I was very short. But, you know what, I got, I'll say this, I'm still to this day pretty, pretty wary when

an older gentleman tells me, you know, where he played and how many points he had. Is that, is that a quality, I love about myself? No, but I think there's a lot of guys who have forgotten about the internet and hockey db in a league. Yeah, but this was a guy on their games played in what league.

Like he looked sometimes and it's like, this guy doesn't even have a hockey db, but, but this guy, he did, and he played against or at Clarkson, he did it all. He tugged himself to page and he got your swing going before that round. So I'll keep playing against Bobby or in the, oh, and go to Clarkson. That's why I was like, there's no way.

I think it might have been considered like a lower junior league than the actual, oh, maybe at the time, because they didn't even have, they didn't even have his hockey db of the court on court, oh, HR, which we assume that he played in. No, he said it was like, oh, J, a jealous son. Okay.

Well, then maybe that's why. I, I just assume, because when I said north base and tenials, which was in the OHL, he goes, oh, I played there, but when it was the trapper. So I, I thought maybe that that was the name beforehand, but a boy, I'll say this.

“I think as an apology though, and I think a lot of the people want to see this, I think”

we should go Duke style where me and long shorts go against you guys for nine whole. That's, I would not only be glad to do that. I'd be glad to have them on the pod, but I want, I want to look into his eyes, whether it's by a Zoom or on the golf course, that's awesome. I apologize.

I apologize. That's bigger than you with. Because you're a hell of a guy, you're into the things we're into and you tell the truth. And I'm, I'm the scumbag in this, in this case, Greg, I'm the scumbag. All right, boys.

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any regrets, any things you'd like to do different, any any, maybe statements on how that went down on the back? - He lost his legs. Where's the usual man in the cart? - Yeah, I mean, there's, there's,

you can always look back and be like,

you know what I could have done this differently. I could have kept the shoes on. I could have, you know, done without the dummy, all these things. - You were unreal with the shoes off.

“I think I would have taken distance away from you.”

And I'm like fuck. - I mean, I tugged a couple. I was off balance, but, you know, I took the class, you guys, man, and you guys never gave up. - Yeah, yeah, it took it to us on those last couple holes, man.

It was, is exciting stuff. - I'll say, I was very, very happy for Schneids and how he hit some clutch pots. I didn't realize it was a big of a sandbag or fan, he was. And also, I was kind of a little unaware of how close you two are.

Like, are you guys like basically best friends?

- Yeah, we've gotten real close over the last couple of years. We played in the minor leagues together and then we lived together the last couple of years. So, yeah, he's like the biggest check-let's fan ever.

So that was like his dream come true. - Hey, I was dying when they announced him the wrong name on opening day that was outstanding. - Fuck, I know the four guy, he had all like a champion. - Yeah, he did, what, what did they call him?

- They called him crazy, I have it, I think. - All right, what's it, Greg? (laughing) - Yeah, hey, sorry, sorry it wasn't Greg

I know that probably would have been a lot better. - No, buddy, I thought Greg don't have been in it. - I thought you were so busy, but Ernie, that was so fun, man. I don't know if you've seen how many people have watched,

but they love the jays up in Canada, man. You have some die-hard fans. You must feel that all the time at T.O. - We see all the love, man.

These fans are incredible and we got a heck of a team.

So, I mean, it's fun to play for him, no doubt. - I gotta ask you, there was a little criticism on how, maybe Nasty, the chirping got. Now, is the baseball community not like, is it not as chirpy, like in the locker room,

are you guys carving each other? Like they do in hockey locker room. - Was carving his own teammates? The whole team, that's, it's okay. - That's man.

- Every time I'm surprised or Loukey would dust one out and say, heck of a sad ice. And then I do the same thing, and I expect to say this. We can handle it, you know, some people just can't handle the chirping, which is okay.

- I, for one love, I, I encourage you. - How about that track we played though? I was a, I was a ball diamond. - Oh my god, I mean, we made like four birdies in the first five holes that I was like,

we're so done, we're screwed. - There was a few you guys missed early that were, I was like, "Hall, we dodged like two bullets." And then on the back, there was like a hole or two. Yans is put the long one that I said was going long

and then the cart, you're like, "Fuck him." - On 16, on 16, you're like, sit out, sit out, it went in. - It went right in, yeah. - And then I looked, I looked one out,

I looked one out on that, yeah, you did. - You know, just, it wasn't our time, just like the world carries. I mean, yeah, I'm free, you guys are gonna bring that up. It's on point.

- You know, like the camera angle where like you see, like the caterpillar camera angle, what you see to put going, and the ball would just be bouncing the whole time, the greets were on your lap. - There's that real.

“- That's why I wanna, we got to get a rematch on a real course,”

you know? - Oh, for sure. - Did Lucas get the cross-eyed Harper and the lock room at all? - Oh, we've been caught of that the whole year. It's incredible.

It's like fully caught on, it's fully caught on. - I think somebody looked up that he's made, like one four hundredth of a brace Harper. I think we might underestimate it how much more money brace Harper's made.

- Yeah, he's made an ungodly amount of money. So, nothing against Luki, it's just that guys made. Unlimited money. Did you have any other parts of it that you really enjoyed?

Like, what was there? - Dude, honestly, the posh is at it on your, your trip out, says when you were rolling around on the ground and then you put it from like 200 yards out. I was just like kinda hanging out that day

and I watched the whole thing and I was like, in by myself, crying laughing. - I was too, I texted these guys on that. It was the 11th hole. I was, my wife came up, she's like,

what's going on? I was a tears coming out of my eyes. And the other last thing that was hilarious, not in the video was, you and Biz went shoes off. It didn't really do anything to you.

We're doing, we're doing our noble ad and Biz isn't even wearing them, but it's our ball marker. But we went to dinner after. Ernie was in those socks at dinner.

- That's what I was like. - No, those socks were still laying on the floor in the clubhouse in Dunne Eden.

I'd never watched 'em, I just kinda like left 'em there

and they're just sitting there, they're just got sick. - I bet either is a girl out there that would pay a lot of money to sniff those socks. - Yeah, that's all right, that's all right. - You're gonna get the guys out.

- You know what we'll do? We'll do that as like the golden ticket and one of the cracker jackboxes where we do Ernie Clements cock rings for the Jack Racker Jack.

The Biz, the Biz Adventure from Hole 11. We'll get, we'll give Greg a cut too.

“- Greg, you need to cut that, let a guy.”

- Yeah, we'll call it Johnny Longcock caulk rings. That's why he asked to wear those shorts. - I know. - Yep, just an absolute weapon. I kinda wanna ask you just about this blue J team

and this season a little bit coming up. You guys are three on all, what a start to the season. That crowd, that shit gives me chills man. When that stadium is fully packed, it's like, get used to it.

- It's a tough scene to beat in the MLB. - Yeah, I mean, everybody's coming for us. That's the target on your back when you have a good year, but it's fun, then. It's so fun.

Our crowds have been electric, it's, I mean,

40,000, the first three nights,

first three games, it's insane. So, it's easy to get up and have energy for those kinda games. - I looked, he's in Boston. He's in Boston in June.

I've already lined up some golf. They have an off day in Boston. So Biz, you'll be at TNT, but we'll be out in the course. I'll get some videos of this guy.

“- You don't need to do, you need to go up”

to the concourse, Ernie, with your baseball bat. And you need to knock out any fucking person serving one of those lapsed the proteins.

'cause we don't need the people getting sick

“on a concourse of these lapsed or protein and crack beers.”

- Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. Biz, actually, one more thing. The rest of the people is kinda chirping you today at the game.

I was in the on-deck circle. And somebody yelled like, "A screw Biz," and I turn around and I was like, "Hey, no, no, no, no, no, that's our guy." Like, you know, something like,

who couldn't handle the troops, but I had your back, all right? So I got, I got-- - Well, they would be like, "You drugged in you." That's probably work.

- That's what we were. - When we said, "When we told Biz to stop being so nice to you," and then he's like, "Hey, you know, he's started giving it to you. You were hurt." - Oh, yeah. - And that helped us.

- You were hurt. - We backed it by that. - It hurt. - But Biz didn't wanna do it. We had to leave the time for that on-deck. - Biz was the MVP, man.

The gummy, it costs at hand up. It costs the boys, the match. And if we ever get another crack in you guys, I'm gonna be, you know, still cold, I'll be locked in. - So-- - Sweetie, I would fly to you right now.

- Unreal, Unreal.

- Oh, can you ask the Jays if I can throw a first pitch

out this year if I come to TO? - 100%. - Okay. - Yeah. Yeah, we'll put in a good word for you. You can come hang out on the locker for the game, too.

- Wow. - You might get a ground off that mound, though. - Yeah, that's it. - The Elvore's shit talk and the boys did. I'll tell you what, they're coming after you.

“- Wait, did we all strike out the first batter of the game?”

Or you kidding me, buddy? I used to put a baseball back up there. - Yeah, he knocked over the three things, the three milk cartons at the fair the other day. - I went to the high-level school.

- You're a veteran of the ball diamond. - Oh, no. - I'll come out and smash a lobster pooteen and strike out the side. - You'll be on the toilet the whole game. - Oh, it was so fun, man.

- I'm gonna let you guys are absolute blast. I'm a socks fan, so unless you're playing that. - I'm a group for you guys and we'll do this again. We'd love to. - I appreciate it, boys.

Yeah, he got three fans for life. We love you. - How are you? - We love you, buddy. Go Jays, baby.

- Oh, that was unreal. - Wait, did people think that like we didn't like each other, like the teams? - I don't know. - I just think that people don't understand.

They've never been inside a locker room.

Imagine like you're in your cubicle and make somebody who looks over and it's like nice, fucking nice long shorts, you fucking peasant. It's like HR, you're gone. Yours your three months pay, see you later.

Right? - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, absolutely. - Great analogy.

A great way to describe it. - Yeah, just like absolutely chirping somebody's like just playing their face and walking. - What's your fucking Suzanne at the water cooler? - Like I can think of ever got a compliment

from one of my friends. - No, no, oh, oh my god. I'd be like, are you okay? - I get restraining order. - Besides Ned, when he's drinking, he'll be like,

I'll be a man. - Oh, he's a happy drinker. - Yeah, very, very, very happy friend. - But although when you drink it with him though, like he refuses to let you go to bed.

- Ever. - And if you drink it with Ned, it's one more. One more, one more. It's like he's like, I got to drive the kids to school Saturday.

- He's the anti-ambient. - Yeah. - He went to dinner Friday night. Got the bill, paid the bill. And then I saw him go to the guy like two more.

I was like, I paid the bill, but we got to go home. It was a 630 dinner, it was 1150. - And then he asked you to put a credit card game for the two beers. You just covered the whole dinner?

- No, no, no, no, no, no. - No, Ned's a gentleman. - Nah, he's the best. - All right, boy, a great bagger. - A great bagger.

- A great couple of clicks for posture, fish, boy. - Yeah. - Guys, we show up and we got like these guys to get there like an hour early posture. Has to set up the chorus on my means.

- Thanks. Thanks, Pasha. - All right, let's start over.

“- How about the Bobcat on our whole, a whole like 10?”

- That's when it turned around for us, though. - Yeah, that's true. That's true. - That's true. - That's true.

- That's true. - That's true. That's true. - That's true. - That's true.

- That was the best hole. That was the most memorable hole in Sam Bagger history for me. It was then you put it from 127 yards and at one point, I believe, eight another shroom on that fairway, too. - Oh, buddy, I think I did about 45 milligrams,

like that's, I mean, that's an easy hobby in the morning for our A, but for me, that'll put a little bit of a tranquilizer dirt in me. And I think I had about four shroomy tells. So I was going, I was tweaking.

And like, I've never, like last year for the soul,

when I was making myself laugh for that, and then even on the T-box, the next T-box, I said to the camera before I pulled it out for the 110 yard pot. I was like, "Posh, I'm like, "Watch with it, watch with it."

And then I even tapped the hands, I go, "Watch, watch how much he overheats." And then I line up. And then on top of that, I give it the little backs when he's a practice, because you've got a more than now.

and then Keith gave you a line,

“like it was like on the green ten footer.”

- Here's a line. - When it was yelling at you to put it back, I'm like, "Let it fly, let it fly." 'Cause I know you were going to do it either way. You don't know talking you out of it.

- Hey, shout out to our whole team who helped put these together. I love you guys, Josh, obviously, in the mix now. We have such a good team. And we got two more coming at you.

We got the Grootin, Patty Maroon, who I saw this weekend and St. Louis, and the Greg Truck. And then what? - The Greg won. - And we're all there in long shorts for that Greg won.

So if anybody knows Greg, like shoot us a DM or shoot us a tweet, like we love to get him on, he played against Bob, your five games folks. And the way he described him is like a hovercraft with a Ferrari engine, he's a, he's a wordsmith.

- I feel so bad for doubting him that I'd actually go play that cold case fucking dump again, just to be with him. - I think you know, I'm still 100% that he played against them. - No, no, the team picture is out.

- That's right. - Yeah, the team that Twitter. - Of the team that played against, yeah, you don't see a lot of stuff. - You don't see anything, you don't see the hate,

but we're gonna get to you, 'cause you had a crazy week. I kind of wanna talk about it when we get into St. Louis and Utah, I will bring up because you just reminded me, I got to see RAS today. I went to the Bruins game and boys.

So the Bruins, they're getting waxed right now, I think like Columbus, but they played Minnesota and a five o'clock Saturday start is, by far and away the best time to play a hockey game. It was an unreal crowd, huge game for the Bruins,

while they're a little bit kind of going through the motions,

“I think they're just set in stone where they're at, right?”

The Bruins might be an issue in the playoffs. - Swimming dude, they'll take their pound of flesh. They'll take them and even today they're getting pounded, but they had Good Branson and Tanner General and then cast a look for a Olivier,

so they're getting beat, they're getting beat three, not thin and they're like, all right, that's exactly the right term, is they take their pound of flesh. Swimming is so dialed in right now.

Soca looks on me. Pasha telling me to rock for word. Soca sucks a couple of years ago, is the dumbest hockey take this show has ever had. The guy is unfeeling for the baggers he'd be gone.

- Oh yeah, yeah, true. - But on both ends of the ice, middle stat look good.

Maca voice playing amazing, it's a tough team.

Like I don't think they can win the stand in the cup, but dude, playing them in the first round with that D, and that goal. - Arvid said too, wit. Arvid since been such an unreal acquisition this year.

- Yeah. - Over 20 goals, nobody wanted this guy. I think it was like a fourth round, pick it cost for him, just an unbelievable acquisition. That Zaco, middle stat, Arvid's in line,

five on five, one of the best in the NHL this year. - It's been very impressive. - The past that pasta made Arvid's in, was insane, and we talked about it with Charlie, the way he's just able to hold on to it,

hold on with fake, like, you don't know what he's gonna do as a D or a goalie, like if he's gonna shoot it or pass it, and Arvid's in just found that soft area with a great deal. - Ronaldo, he's fucking commoners jeans back there.

- Yeah, so possibly, he's got his fucking... - Pasha, right into the chat here.

Zaco's never even had 60 fucking points settle down.

Like buddy, you don't get it, you still don't got it, Pasha's 26 goals. - Bodies, what is your thing with? Oh, so if somebody gets 80 points, like if he had 80 points, he'd be good in your mind,

he's a hell of a two-way player man. - Yeah, and Boston plays Boston likes to play a little bit of a smarter game. They're less like high-flying offense, like, look at Columbus success.

They haven't had a player in their team at 60 points yet. Before maybe today, I'd haven't checked the stat sheet,

“but I think they're high as score as 59 points”

and they're in a fucking playoff spot. So I think that, like, yeah, like not every team's gonna have the same fucking style to play. And we talked about coach of the year-last pod boys,

like, "Sturm, he's gonna own real fucking job too." - And with that, an amazing segue into some shocking news that came down right before we started this pod. Bruce Cassidy fired by the Vegas Golden Knights, the most ruthless organization in sports

or torts. John Tortorella, back in the mix. I mean, this is content gold. - Oh my god. - Oh my god. - I guess he went in the cup.

- That's great. - And I'll tell you, they have, I think somebody said, they got, they've eight games left. Let me look here quick. They've eight games left.

That is what the New Jersey Devils had left when Robbie Futoric was fired in 2000 and Larry Robertson came in and they went on to win the Stanley Cup. So, if Kelly McCrimmer was thinking of doing this,

like two games ago, he might have been like, "I'm just gonna wait." - That's crazy. - That's crazy.

- Just like Lou did in 2000.

And, Biz, we talked about this on the show, I think, on the chat. I think Cassidy's a hell of a coach. He's a Stanley Cup champion. He's had a lot of success.

“I think he's one of those guys that is hard to play for”

and it runs, it's course a little bit. Now, that does not mean you're in a good coach. It's just you have a certain style that can wear it, wear on guys. That the room might have tuned him out a little bit.

I'm guessing I have seen some numbers, though, that said, they're shooting percentage is crazy low and they're safe for us. And they're safe percentage is horrible. So, if both come up a little bit, all of a sudden,

they're gonna be a better team in the way they've looked. But it's been, I mean, I think we're talking about three months, three and a half months now, bad hockey. And I think it's shocking, but I also kind of get it. - Yeah, and even that last game against Washington,

you get down, they're able to come back, at least, salvage some points. But like, they look flat towards the end of that game. Like, you find a way to come back. You gotta find a way to win that game.

Washington has nothing to play for, they're just out there. But like, I bet that's why they got fired, why you got fired is because the way that they laid neck there, you have so much momentum, they scored three goals and three shots and you don't find a way to win that game

when you need to at the end of the year. But also, they're another crazy thing, Jack. I called does not have a power play goal this year. - Yeah, that's why people question the mariner move is because they're both past first mentality,

like they're both, like, I think that naturally, you know what they say, like guys like Koutarov, Caprizov, their pasta, they're wingers that play like sentiment. - Yeah. - Mariner's kind of a winger that plays like a,

like a pass or pass first mentality as well, like you could throw them in that grouping, right? Where I also feel like, like, I equal plays like that as well.

Like he always, you'll have a good opportunity.

He'll look for that guy. That's just kind of his giving nature. And I think a lot of it too boys,

“I think they're one of the worst starting teams in league, right?”

Like they're always getting behind, like they've given up the first goal, how many other times they had to come back again in that game against Washington. So I think of kind of an beat in that drum a little bit,

saying that I think I'm like here in rumblings that his shelf life is short and I think that he could be replaced. But then it got past the deadline so much. I'm like, all right.

Okay, they're just gonna ride him out and, you know, make, and going back to what you said with it, like there are some underlying numbers that like overall the play is somewhat decent. They're just not getting the puck luck bounces.

- And the stone injury, like, you got to think-- - Brutes. - Yeah, if he's in the lineup, they're probably winning more games. I'd say definitely winning more games.

The way he's played this year, too. I mean, they sign Aiden Hill to that deal. It's been a disaster. Cassidy didn't make that move. Cassidy didn't trade for Anderson who has not looked good.

There's been a lot of things that isn't really on him, but Kelly McCrimon and this team has proven time and time again, whether for good or for bad, they do not give a fuck. - No. - And they're looking at every single year as a year,

they can win the Stanley Cup and if they see something that they believe will stop them from winning the Cup, they're gonna make a move. They're gonna make a trade, they're gonna get rid of someone, they're gonna fire a coach, they don't care when.

I think fans actually like it. I don't know if Vegas Golden Knights fans are thrilled that Cassidy got fired. - I think that they're pretty ruthless for a spoiled fan base. - The fans are, too.

- They're very aggressive online, they start biction quite a bit for like-- - But why wouldn't it? Because all they've seen is success and all they've seen-- - That's fair, but that's also being

a bit of a spoiled brat. - Yeah. - If I can went to the Stanley Cup finals

in your first year of existence,

you got one of your first five years. I feel like they're just as cut throat as the organization. The organization is an embodiment of their families. Now I will say this, it might be totally crazy. I think that the torture has a ton to do with the Olympic situation.

- Yeah, because I think every guy that we talk to, what they set about towards like you as an assistant, I mean obviously it's going to be different, right? - It's not though, 'cause he's going in there and he's saying, "Boys, this is on you.

"I'm here to fucking call the lines." It's not like it happened halfway through the season where he can be like, "Okay, we got a chain stretch "a practice and I'm gonna fuck it with these guys "in the shape.

“"You have to come in with the pom-poms and be raw raw."”

And you have to base you do what bones did. Like, bones wasn't like, he was more of like a raw raw. Hey, we got the right pieces in here. We can improve a couple things here in next thing, you know, we got some puck luck and we're firing on all cylinders.

This is exactly what happened in Columbus. I think that I'm curious to know if they consulted Eichel and the way that towards was at the Olympics, and Hannethon, and Hannethon, and just to kind of that, this is,

boy, the fucking last like three years of the NHL and like the crazy shit that drops,

There's no better league going right now than Nash Oculus.

- Yeah, and we're just, we haven't even gotten into the good stuff yet because we're about what two weeks, three weeks away from this thing, really getting kicked off, and the races are wild.

“Now, bones, I believe it comes a little more natural”

to him to be a raw raw guy. But this probably at the beginning will be like, the happiest, uh, most laid-back towards version of towards we've ever seen, because I agree with you, Biz.

Like, you can't go in and immediately just be, he's probably gonna be keeping guys accountable, but like, they've just dealt with a guy who gives it to you and non-stop. You can't kind of go in and give that same message.

And I think that he will be able to, at least change some things in terms of like passion because Keith said it, for a while now, it's just looked, it's just like vanilla hockey. It's not, there's not much like life in that team

and towards will bring that in.

I, I just love the fact that he's back,

like I cannot wait for a towards press conference, right? Like, he's gonna snap on a reporter at some point. I'm gonna be watching the clip a hundred different times, laughing over and over and over again. And I think that this could do a lot of good things.

Now they need to get goal-tending, right? Like that kind of coach changed that, I don't know. Maybe if he goes in and he talks to Aden Hill in a different way, gives him some more confidence, that could change his game, but a shocking,

shocking thing to come across the wire, right? Right as we started. - I thought it was Frog Sarah Vellie. - You did. - I fucked.

Are you kidding me? - I thought he texted the group. He goes towards the Vegas, and I was like, it means like extra high on a Sunday afternoon. So I went right to Elliott's Twitter and boom.

He'd already retweeted Vegas, making the announce. - The whole thing with Torx, right? Like, you saw what he did it in Philly. Like, he got guys to play the right way, to play hard block shots and think of playoff hockey.

“That's how you got to play in the playoffs, right?”

I don't think Vegas has been a team that's been playing playoff type hockey. So he's gonna, he at least has that aura bottom where guys know, hey, if I don't block this shot, he's gonna fucking lose his mind on me.

So he's gonna have guys even accountable, even today, not even Ben Naryett, right? Like, guys know what he is as a coach, and he's gonna bring him in right before playoff. I think is fucking genius.

I think it's gonna work like, well, too. - You guys are like, they are front runner. - Yeah. - For my bandwagon. They are the front runner right now.

You, why are you laughing? - I'm not on my way. - Maybe everyone had to head with you again, bitch.

- I, I, I have never, I mean,

in the thumb of these in the head. - I had to head with you in the NHL body. - Five dead to one. - You on head to heads. I would gladly go head to head with you.

And, and I do think that there was probably guys that immediately texted the equipment manager when they saw the news, like,

“can you get me some of those shopwalkers for my states?”

- Because I'm not getting on video after the first one. - The first runner. - The runner. - Marner called Cred Lugwig and he was like, "Hey, can I use your shimpads for the rest of the year?"

- I'm glad you brought up Marner because a ton of comments on the Chicklet's main account tweet about torts going there is like, "Oh, Marner, Marner, screwed, Marner, screwed." I actually think Marner,

he's unreal defensively like he's torturing. - Right. - But love him. - Now could be a, I think torts could be a huge Marner fan. I don't know why everyone's like,

"Bick it, that Marner's shit." - Well, you know what I think of him. I got his fucking jersey on right now. And Shadow to Lawless, Gary Lawless was the one who gave me this at the start of the year when I did my little baby come back,

video for Mitch Marner, crazy though. Crazy, we need to get him on. He's a bit of a standoff right now. - Well listen, I texted him and I get him. - But he was texted me today and he goes,

"I don't understand what the big confusion is with the goalie interference stuff." - And didn't even... - Oh, he bought Gary. - But he, he didn't even mention the Bruce Cassidy firing.

This is after work. He texted me about the goalie interference and didn't say one fucking word about a Bruce Cassidy going. - Well listen, didn't he send you a long? Didn't he send you a novel about how good of a coach

Bruce is and how he's gonna get this all figured out? - Oh, maybe it's his guy. - Yeah. - And I'll say, so Gary texted me. - He got it for us, that's the thing.

- He goes, just got interesting in the Pacific. - I said Gary, we're recording in an hour. Please, please, please come on to chat about this. - Sorry, no can do, I'm tied up. I said I completely understand.

Do you have a statement I can read? The people will want to hear. He said I have a call coming up soon. Then, so at this point, I'm like fucking Gary Lawless, the goddamn thumb.

So then he texts me. Don't use that blank line, please. The note was just between us. I said, Gary, I didn't even get a note.

Nothing came through, I didn't get a note.

“I think he thought me saying I didn't get a note”

meant like I gotcha, don't worry. I go, no, no, no, he writes, even better. I go, Gary, send the note. I won't include the line about blank. Nope.

- He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, - He's, he's playing, he's playing mine games. And then he's gonna show up with my column will be posted very soon, Ryan. So, you know what, Gary?

I'm gonna have to do it to you again. And this, this Edmonton, now with torts, and if they, I think they're gonna end up playing each other by the way, Edmonton's figured things out a little bit. They beat Anaheim at home last night.

McDabe was buzzing around. I'll tell you this, Savoy, he got his 14th goal. He's got another empty net, he's got over 30 again. The oilers boys, the oilers are playing the long game. - Oh, this, this one's the right recipe.

You're happy with this one. - I'm happy with what we got in Edmonton and Paul coffee's back.

And Vegas has torts, and that first round

is going to be electric. I need you to jump on that bandwagon, because that'll guarantee us a set-way round matchup. - I would consider teaming up with Gary. - I don't know Gary what's going on with it.

- I don't know Gary what's going on with it. - Happy birthday, stop, 60th birthday. - Happy birthday, stop. - This is how long of a message Gary wrote me and did not mention the firing.

Look at how long that text is right there. - This is how you, what time was that at? - Read me the time. - It was 11, 14, my time here, so... - Oh, that happened, yeah, it happened.

- 14? No. - Okay, let me ask you this. Do you think Gary knew that this was happening at 2, 14? - I think Gary's really, really bummed that he didn't know.

“- I think Gary didn't have a god damn clue you hear me, Gary?”

Hear me, Gary? - Oh, that was for a moment. - Hey, you shut your fucking mouth. - All right, you shut your mouth. - No, Gary, that's like, pigeons, dude.

- Who? - Gary. - Gary, Gary, Gary, can't stand us right now. Join the clock, Gary. - That's what he was listening.

- Yeah. - There's a way to listen, it's long. - Yeah. - Every. - He gave a voice, every.

- The thumb, the thumb. - As we close in on the final three weeks boys, this is as of Sunday afternoon. Two of 16 playoff births have been clinched Colorado and Dallas.

The number one seed in every division and conferences yet to be decided. Two divisions have a three-point gap

or less between the first and second seed.

That's the Atlantic and the Pacific. In the eastern conference, three teams currently outside the playoff line are within five points of the second wild card position. And in the western conference, five teams

currently outside the playoff line are within four points of the second wild card position. Biz, you were in St. Louis. They might fucking do this again. The St. Louis Blues are on an absolute tear.

They're 11, two and two in their last, with that P15 games, it seems like they've just figured things out, and I actually read a great quote before I asked you about seeing them live.

“Montgomery was talking, he said I think we started this year”

thinking we were gonna be good. And when it didn't happen, we stopped working. Like all of us, I include myself and everybody in it. We got frustrated and steadfast in steadfasting solutions and we're now finding solutions.

And it makes sense, right? Like if you have these high expectations last year, crazy loss in games seven, but hey, we got a lot of great players coming back. And then it, it just goes to shit so early.

There probably was some quitting the room, right? And then you make these big trades where you lose your captain, you lose Justin Falk who's been a big time player there. And it's like they all came together. And I don't know what you saw in person,

but they're running over teams right now. They're just, they're just fucking working. And they got some good young players in that lineup. Like if I was talking to Steener, because I went there for the Kelly Chase Park Cancer.

So I got to see the whole team, the night before their game, was at that, that cancer event. So they were there to drop the park to walk Kelly Chase out on the ice, like talk about a group that really, really likes each other.

And you know what, like come to the big of it, man, like, you know, we were kind of given it to parental for, for blocking that trade. Like, I think that we were, I was wrong on that. That guy wanted to be part of the solution.

You wanted to stay with this group of guys to be really likes and fucking y'all. So that's that. But overall, man, just a very impressive group. Same with Thomas.

I think we're thinking to go trade Robert Thomas. He looked unbelievable.

So the gold penting has been incredible

between the both of them. Is it who sold the other one?

Our hofa, hofa. Hofa.

But he's been kickin' unbelievable.

And yeah, I think that that's a team,

“like last year you saw that the way that they handle the back half”

of the season, also how physical they are and how they get on you and they're breathing down your neck on the forecheck. I was just seeing a lot of that. Now, obviously they've been good in the game.

I saw it was against Toronto in which they had 13 shots on that. So that was obviously a statement game. Same Lewis is like, if we're gonna make playoffs, we can't be losing the fucking leaves.

They looked broots. Like they looked like a fucking AHL team. So yeah, credit to see Lewis and boys pack barn. The crowd was unbelievable. And it was also good going to see like my crew.

So I saw Jansson, Cameron, Strick, all the alumni, I bumped into Al McHenis who on the concoice, are sorry, the press box level. So he said he'll come on the podcast. So it was a pretty cool weekend.

Also ran into two guys who picked up our PTO jerseys. Buddy, I said that was incredible. I thought it was AI. I thought it was AI. Those guys are the most rider.

Did I check those guys? I've ever seen in my life.

We never even sniffed a regular season game

and they have our jerseys. It was, it was Davis Schneider. Yeah, yeah, Jack. Jack, they got him in the lost position. Hey, did you think?

Do you think just even say they don't make playoffs do a nice little run here? They see what they have for the future. You still think that they'll be even thinking about trading where I'll be Thomas the summer?

No, I think they would be dumb too.

“I think that there's another gear he can get to.”

Give him the C. The one I'm hoping figures it out is Cairo. Like, I hope that he, his name's always popping up in all these conversations. But I did this Texas Texas in the group drive.

I think murals was like, ah, they are playing in the central, which is a pretty loaded division. And all the teams that are loaded are pretty young. And we'll probably have sustained success for the next two, three, four years.

But I think that St. Louis is set up, just as good as anybody in their goal-tending. They got Broberg. I was going to come and swing into like, it's crazy to me that they didn't match those offer sheets.

I think it's absolutely fucking insane.

- Broberg is always always making like two to this year.

- And he's gonna end up signing for like eight times eight. So the good young talent they have and the way that they're able to replenish all their draft picks. I think they have five first rounders in the next three years. Like, if they want to go and move those

and try to get better now, I think that that could be a top six, 17 in the league for years to come, if they're able to make the right moves and draft accordingly.

“And as seniors and other guys that I bumped into,”

if I haven't already mentioned that, who's gonna be taken over the reins after the draft this year. So it's just to see what they do coming up here in the next six months.

- But they must have known that they had a little bit something, right? 'Cause all the talks before during the deadline was they were gonna unload everybody. Bennington was talking about Thomas, Chi Roo,

like those are big pieces to a team to even be talking about. I mean, they were willing to trade them all. - That's an English. - That's an English.

- Yeah, it's probably an uncomfortable conversation, but Bennington's got, like, you have Holpa, who is playing unbelievable. And maybe they think that his time is ready. And also, maybe they're just,

maybe they just like to dangle the carrot as, I don't want to call it gutless it is to the guy. It's like, right, they were danglein per ankle. You heard Thomas. Obviously, Chi Roo's names came in the mix.

But I think what they think, if somebody's willing to overpay for one of those guys, that they could reload around Braulbergs, Nuggerude, the Vorsky's good. - All the way, there's a couple other names

that I'm forgetting here, Davorski. - Neighbors. - Oh yeah, Jake Neighbors, I was the one I was forgetting, but they have a good, really young core that is already proven that they can get it.

They did it last year. Still a little rattled at the bulldoop trade 'cause I feel like, even with him, it would be even more exciting, but yeah. They're teet up and even if it is with those guys,

I mean, they're gonna have success. - You think they get in this year? - No. - Murrell says them are Winnipeg guarantees is the final spot 'cause Winnipeg is also right

in the mix right now. Winnipeg actually is a point ahead of St. Louis, but St. Louis has a game in hand. Winnipeg's three points back in Nashville. St. Louis is four points back.

And St. Louis has a game in hand on both of them. - Nashville, I'm going to pick up both, played 73, I guess. - So this is what's nice though, about their situation right now, is they have a lot of control over their own destiny

because they play the sharks. I don't think the sharks are gonna make it. I think they're out of the fate. - LA, who is another team fighting for that spot. They got, they got Anaheim, which would be a tough match.

I guess they can't catch them, but they do have Winnipeg one more time and they also have Utah. So they, Nashville's losing right now.

- They got some tough food. - They got some tough food. - They lost a Montreal Saturn. And I called, called Field, had another follower look. - Oh my God, followers, they're guy.

And it's happened quick. I thought he would be a full season A, H, L. Maybe another run in the A, H, I'll play off.

“I think he played last year into the second round.”

They might have lost in, is it Laval, they play out of, and now, I mean, I think it's quite obvious, Dolbus can be good, right? But, followers looks, he looks dialed. - Yeah. - He looks ready to take this job over.

And Demodov's goal was disgusting. - Yeah.

- Coughfield's first two steps over ridiculous.

He was on the wall, got the puck, all of a sudden, it's like a mini breakaway. And he just snipes that one. They take care of Nashville in Nashville. And then, we'll go on back to Demodov.

Him, him, Seneki and Shafer, coming into this pod. Maybe it's changed now. We're all tied for rookie scoring at 59 points. And then, I think rookie goals, maybe I'm off on that, go check that out, OG.

And then, I know that Seneki, Shafer, and I think also Demodov worked tied with 22 goals for rookie. - Oh, no, Demodov doesn't have that many goals. - Okay, who is the other guy I'm missing out, forgetting? - Demodov has just tonight though.

- Demodov has 16 goals. Okay. - Okay. - Seneki has 22 goals. - Yeah, so to Shafer has 22.

“There's one other rookie that's tied with 22 for the lead.”

- Now, that would be all of her capin' in. - Okay. - Hi, I asked Bill about him, Billy Ryan, who, who, go look it up. We've talked before, sat at the war room

before the draft bangin' his fist about Fowler. And he asked him about capin' and he's like, dude, this kid is so smart. He's a finish, he's a finish hockey player, man. He's great around the net.

And I started thinking, like, Montreal, talk about a team set up for the future, dude. Look at all these guys and how young they are. And then they had to kid it Michigan common, Michael Hage, I talked about this, they have a lot.

And then you look at where they slot in, right? Like, this capin' on a Stanley Cup team, maybe he's an unreal third lineer. I know he's playing with Demodov right now.

Maybe they always actually stay together

and they have a connection, but that, Montreal, I don't think it's a one and done year from Montreal, like last year. I think it's all starting now and they might get to the second, maybe third round this year.

- They might be the team that I hook on my bandwagon, too. - Or we, we, we. - Which? - Which? - Keep that for us out.

- I've been a, wait a minute, Pateepa. I mean, I've been a fan for three years and my team has gone to the finals and all three of those years, so I don't know if they want me or not. - Well, and you have the Billy Ryan connection.

So I guess shout out to their scouts and how they're able to seek out talent, like they have another Russian. They have another Russian, they got in second round, like Zavrovsky or something that is doing what Demodov did last year. So it's, and they have a defense room in the WHL.

It's like 58 goals, like it's, I should have his name. G, look, look up that kid's name. He's disgusting. - Bryce Pickford from the medicine hat.

“- If he has over 50 goals, I think, right?”

- It has 45 goals, the season 38 season. - He's a Demand? - He has a defense man. - There's a Demand, that's unbelievable. - So, and they got their goal.

If Fowler looks, what he looks like, I know, we can't kind of stop talking about Montreal, but why wouldn't we write now? Biz, another team you brought up, the Utah mammoth, got to experience a game out there.

Very interesting to hear. They are four best Western conference goal differential. They look all slotted in to be the first wild card team. How was the crowd? What did you see?

And actually kind of a crazy game. Wilson was trying to murder. - There was an unbelievable game, unbelievable game. And, I mean, the first thing I got to mention is, we must, Troy Terry's the only guy

to survive right now with an unbelievable stat of no hits. OV took two D zone draws with you in the building. That's actually, that's a few games. - That's a few games for you, that's an F-U-D-U. - That was, you know, it's crazy.

I cut a video promo that I never ended up sending out.

And in it, I mentioned, I'm like, I'm praying that Carberry sees this and gives OV a D zone start. Like, I'll send you guys. - I wanted to end, because I was a Demand universe.

No, but it was an universe. I was an attendance, and I was just like, I wanted to see it. - I was just seeing it. - I was just seeing it.

Just seeing it, we're gonna walk them off the wall of the score. They go on that spot, you can do it. - Well, what's even crazier is after he got it, that's when he started, that's when he got his first goal, second goal, and ended up getting his 34th career hat trick.

Tough loss for Utah, they were up 3-1 in that game. It was, we had win on the Nashcast. The whole reason I went there is I was supposed to go in December, I used to work with Tyson Nash with the coyotes.

It's really cool, what Ryan Smith has done, not only to bring a team there, and have this facilities and build out an unbelievable locker room that the gym and the training room, it all ends up connecting to the basketball room,

or you can close off the dressing room to the Utah mammicide,

“and then still use all the unbelievable weight gear”

and training tables and whatever you need for the Utah Jazz side, and it's this big U, and then across the hall, it's the unbelievable owner's suite,

he's got a basketball hoop on the second floor of it

for all the kids' wives and stuff, like the wives' lounge girls, but just the way that he's taken that team there, the facility, and the rank, you walk around the con course, and it's all glass, and you see these mountains around you,

and just the way that he took all the unbelievable people from Arizona, that kind of got the shaft, Tony is there, Stan was there to help with the soft-rooting. Rudy is there, Jimmy, Jimmy the face. - Yeah, what do you mean, Greg?

- What's just saying name, you were saying names, I'm like, oh, Greg, no, Jimmy on the other hand. - Jimmy on the other hand. - Jimmy on the other hand, Jimmy on the other hand. He knows all these people from Arizona,

where it's suck, man, they had good people, they just had struggled a little bit with ownership, so it was pretty cool to see all of them, and they were playing Washington, so I also ran into Serbs, who's got two sleeping cups,

one with Tampa, and Washington, he's still going, and then Serge, we had a PR guy, Serge, who would help out,

and he's Russian, so when OV first started out in Washington,

he was with us the first few years in Arizona, but they poached him because he ended up being OV's right-hand man with all of his PR and everything that he's got going on. So, was really happy to see him, and also just like I said, the unbelievable game as we did the NASCAS.

We brought in Bob Heathouse too, because he was such a big part of me and Nashers career, so all in all man, what they've done, and how they've just brought that team in there, and had a good first year,

and then now they're probably gonna end up in playoffs, a pretty good successful season for the Utah mammoth. - Yeah, I think they're fun to watch.

“I think it's gonna be a crazy playoff atmosphere.”

Did you like the building, and did you get to see what they're gonna be different? 'Cause I think they have two more summers of doing things to make it more NHL friendly. - Yeah, so even in the lower bowl, it's very steep.

It's almost like Montreal, where you're like, you're right on top of the guys, I love them. - Yeah. - I love that. So it's loud, it's crazy. The upper deck, I believe on both sides,

you aren't able to see just on both ends, where the goals are, you can't see from the blue line in. So the tickets that they sell there, and I think I was even talking to them, they're not, those tickets aren't even gonna be expensive.

I think if they make playoffs, they're gonna start them off at like 55 bucks, 60 bucks, where you can get inside an NHL, just because you can't see the end zone, but those seats, those seats, yeah, those seats,

but you know what, you're in the building. - You're in the fucking building. - Those donors wouldn't do that. And they'd be, no, I guess, sorry, 300 bucks. - And another thing too is,

is he refused to sell too many season tickets because he wants everyone to be able to, like, at any given time to be able to buy tickets

and come for their first ever experience,

'cause he's saying he's like, once they come once, you got him hooked. - Yeah. - And it just cooled away that he thought about how to roll this out and how to treat the fans.

And you know that guy who I did that promo hit with, it's, you know, what's the guy's name I'm drawing? - You tall, hold me up, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen him crazy. - Oh, the guy that lives in like a barn

on the river or something? - Yeah, he moved in to business hose. - Yeah, true. - Yeah, we cut the promo, he was saying he's like, fuck man, he goes, they didn't raise the ticket prices,

they left them flat. So like, most people, after you produce a good product and you put all this money into a team, not only buy it, but to upgrade your facilities, build out this unbelievable practice facility.

He's not gouging the people there, you know, and including, going into playoffs, considering keeping those so cheap. So, we mentioned it last part. Then a few weeks ago, he like tweeted out,

hey, who wants to come inside of my owner's box 'cause he didn't have those tickets to give away to any of you as family and friends. So just the way that he thought about how to like connect with the community

and roll this thing out. 20 at a 10 and it was just so cool to be there and experience. And next year, boys, I hope you guys come and I hope you're able to even maybe hit up the game before the winner classic.

But they're hosting Colorado. And what might be the best setting for a winner classic we've ever seen. - Where is that gonna be at? - The Utah soccer field, there's something to use,

“which is the, oh, I think that's not the last.”

- The college football game. - Oh, college football, okay.

- Yeah, this is round of that arena or that field is insane. - It's unbelievable, that's their logo, the youths. - Biz, did they sell like beer and stuff at the game? - Yeah, yeah, they actually sell a lot. - It's less, it's less, it's less percent alcohol out there.

- It is, do they do? - It's capital a certain amount. I think it might be like three and a half percent. - Yeah, I don't think you're gonna have. - Yeah, you're not getting the hairy, oh, it's a Utah Hawk.

That's the guy's name.

“If you want to look them up on Instagram,”

there's an absolute lunatech for the Utah mammoth. But I hope everybody's able to go check out a game there.

Incredible way of building.

And they're gonna fix over the next two summers as you mentioned with, they're gonna move those seats back so you can see the whole barn. - I gotta be fair, right? You talked about playoff tickets and prices,

even though you can't, you know, see the eyes. The oilers, man, I saw a tweet. This guy's tickets last year for the playoffs, with 350 bucks or ticket. And his same tickets this year are 499.

- Oh, shit. - That's kinda. McDavid takes a price, like a hometown discount in the team, can't even. - Yeah, I was like, wow, I was just,

you know, that's a, I see 350 to 400, but yeah. - Yeah, I mean, I mean, I was like, whoa. But, you know what, you go to the cup final after, cup final and you're like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make some money off this run.

Every oilers home game, they're just printing it, so. - Or maybe they don't think they're gonna make a long run

and they gotta make care money in the first round.

- Don't say that, boys, live news here. I'm not the biggest basketball fan, but I think that you can't just beat Duke. - No, I had it on before we started. They were down like 24 points today.

- They came back 73, 72 final. - Number one, so yeah, you can't team. - They just win in March, crazy. - Holy shit. - Speaking of playoffs tickets,

the Buffalo Sabers announced that they're gonna be doing $30 tickets for the playoffs. - See, they should do $3,000 a ticket. (both laughing) - It's $30.

- Yeah, from this is from National Today. It's the Buffalo Sabers have announced today that playoffs tickets for the first round will be priced as low as $30 for season ticket holders. It relatively cheap.

- That's on the top. - They compared to previous years. - I mean, even though they hadn't for them.

“- 'Cause that's what it was when they last made the playoffs.”

- Thanks. - Yeah, you'll be sitting up in the Saint Samuson section, but $30 to get in the building for that atmosphere. You can see the whole ice surface, my God. That's like, we love you.

Thank you for supporting us and we're sorry it took so long. And we're sorry we fired our GM who made a successful, but here's tickets for $30. - Yeah, but some companies gonna buy the all those tickets and resell them for way more.

- Well, it's offered this easy pick and we'll there's first.

- Ah, quick update here. The Bruins were down three nothing they had the two fights. It's now three two was six minutes left. That's pretty insane. The Canadians were getting out shot 10 nothing in Carolina

to start the game. They're now up three one. Coffeele does another one. Suzuki has two. - That's a Saturday night.

- Huts in his two assists. He's got 62 assists this year. It's just a wagon there. - He is so good. - And stay in the night.

- Staying in the East.

“- I think there's a bunch of different things”

we can go with here looking at the standings, but the flyers man, this three point out with a game in hand. - Full telefast is on-tip it a fucking star. - He looks like he's gavoured.

- He's incredible. - His consistency is just it clicked. - That's true. - He's been tricked the last night, right? - Against Detroit and Detroit got that huge win against Buffalo.

And it was an enormous job. And then they lose that take game to Philly at home. - Two tough, tough sledding right there. But right here, 11-4 in one since the Olympic break. Third, best record behind Buffalo and St. Louis

for the Flyers. And I'll tell you, Biz, the fans have to be happy. And you know why? - No, they haven't been coming at us. They haven't been coming at us.

- Oh, they shut their fucking mouth is what they've been doing. - Yeah, they've been shut in their mouth. - They've been shut in their mouth. - Maybe talk it wasn't the worst coach of all time.

And we have a team that was looking, like dead dogs at one point that right now was in a decent chance to get into the playoffs. So good for them. - They're the most contradictory fan base in the world.

They're trying to shit on their coach for not playing their superstar or 22 minutes. He protects some plays in the right amount, the team's having success. All I hear about online,

we don't have a first-line center, we don't have a second-line center, we don't have a number one D. Oh, you don't got all these fucking things but you're fighting for a playoffs spot.

Yet you think the coach is shit, shut the fuck up. I don't own too many fan bases. But I fucking own the Flyers fans. They're my fucking laptop at this point. (mimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimim

They're like posh is dog, no, by owning them is it kind of like, hey, they haven't won a cup since 75. I'm 1967, but more just like I'm in your head so bad that I make you so mad that I want to keep changing the narrative.

but they all they cared about was how much ice time one player got on their team and even Chris Pronger went on the nasty, is it nasty knuckles pod?

He goes, just adding a guy ice time is not the solution to development. So that's coming from a heart player, a Norris winner and a Hall of Famer and a former fucking fire. Prong screams to me like, taking over as president somewhere at the point. I, I don't know, I could just want him at your round table.

“Yeah, and Flyers fans, I think that they're very excited today because Porter Marathon, he signed the stud, this kid came into Michigan state, absolutely lit it up.”

They had a shocking loss. They were up three one to Wisconsin with five minutes to go. Six minutes to go. They lost an OT, Wisconsin goes to the frozen four. But I think that Marathon hops right in the line up. G, you've seen more of them. He's a big kid. He's unreal with the pocket, he gets scared. I think he's the perfect Philadelphia flyer. I mean, I would say his NHL comparable is like a Brady cachak. He's going to go out there and be a. Okay, I mean, Winger, he can score goals. He's got talent. He's fast. He's got skill. Flyers fans are going to fucking love this kid.

He's no meachcov. Yeah, true. I'm a next season. I'm all in on meachcov. I'm flipping this with a meachcov. So the meach God, do you think Demodod? You're not taking, you're not taking Demod. Give it to another Russian. Not enough. Take a video on nickname form. Take a hike.

I'm going back to Lane Hudson. G through the statin here. I don't know if you already read it.

Lane Hudson became the third defenseman in NHL history to record multiple 60 assists season before hitting his 23rd birthday joining Paul coffee. We did it three times. Bobbiore, long shorts is buddy.

And Cole coffield became the first player with a 45 goal season since Tefarn Rishay 51. I would imagine that's for the Canadians since 1989 and 90. So now he has 46. So he needs six more to break that Rishay goal mark. I wonder what the most was after that. Boy, we got break and news. What do we got? Gary Wallace has just texted up our post to this column.

“Wow. Should we, should we, is it long g like, could we read it?”

I don't think we give Gary the time. I don't think we give it to him. He's been blowing us off.

I think that he is so made me want to read the first thing I've ever read in my life.

This is lawless. Welcome to Vegas, John Torrarla. The status quo wasn't working for the Vegas Golden Knights. Something had to be done in Kelly McCryman fashion. He made a chess move. Oh, he has just pawn one spot. Oh, shit. He just starts. Oh, shit. He actually said a line to me and he goes, you can't quote me. So I can't say it. But when I send you this line, I'm, I'm like, I could cry that I can't say it. I could cry. Is it difficult? Maybe it's in the article. Please, please, this out, G. G do not believe that out, G do not believe that out.

He just texted me. This guy is fucking with us, dude. Is he on the, is he on here? We're not recording live. He's holding you the way you own flyers fans. And I don't like it. He's not, he's, he's always not fully. He's, he's, he's not calling him right now. He, if he, if he if it beats them again this year, he's done. Like I'm willing to do a retirement bet. Like I retired from Chicklet, or he retired from covering the Vegas Golden Knights. So we got Ryan Miller coming on now. Awesome interview. We tried doing this before we had some technical difficulties, but we got to sit down and talk to him.

He didn't know the computer. Our, yeah, didn't know the computer. That was the technical difficulty. And I'll say this before we get in. I got a buddy here in Milton Billy Bush. He coach riders Milton team is son Tyler's just an animal.

“He's a big time Buffalo Saber's fan. I think this was the 20th year in a row yesterday that a bunch of buddies went to a Saber's fan. They dress up. They have horse masks. They got fucking.”

I'll show you the picture of these lunatics. We'll post this picture. But he was at the game last night. I'm sorry. Saturday night a big win in the shootout. They got it done. They were down to nothing. And I just said, wow, all the years you guys have been going and watching shit hockey and now it's your time. And all the Sabers fans who loved watching Ryan Miller and man.

Very, very special guest right now. Join in the show former Vesna trophy winner United State hockey Hall of Famer. Yeah, and business show on the Buffalo Sabers jersey had some amazing neat years. They're Ryan Miller. What's going on, buddy?

What's up, boys? Happy to be here.

“We appreciate it. Long time we actually tried to do this. Didn't work out. We had some problems with the technology. I think it worked out better because that was prior.”

We're actually going to release that 30 minutes of us trying to figure out his audio at the start of the pot off. And then we're going to have a 30 Mart. This is going to cut it. Yeah, I think that would be perfect to show what you guys actually have to go through. There's a lot goes behind these podcasts. Meowsie, I was more intrigued at the fact that you don't have a laptop. Yeah, I've been just rolling with the iPad. Hey, why switch it up first until there was never a problem till he tried to come on with us. And then it turned into a disaster. But meowsie, where are you? Where are you living right now? Where are you at?

Listen on your life currently. Life currently chasing kids in Newport Beach, California. So it's not that it's not that bad. Now it's it's it's been good. It's we love this area when I play with a docks and I was already in L.A. Chase my wife, Noreen, Delle, around 2010, 11. And so we've been that area for a while. And then L.A. was getting just a little different, little weird. So we we made the play to come down here about three years ago. So it's been just been great. You couldn't convince her to move back to East Lansing. I you know what, I feel like there's there's that thing you can't go home again texting. I spent my first like probably eight years pro going back home and all my buddies left the start their careers or in either hockey or professionally in other industries.

And then ironically I got myself together found found Noreen. We got married and then everyone moved back.

Yeah, just a ton of guys around there now. I would love to be around, but you know, we built our life out here and can't beat the weather. So I've been having some fun. You're very late in your career, right? Like was that kind of by design? I know I've played this on that is where it's what? I said, I'm a veteran. Yeah, exactly. I think it's just how life kind of worked out. I think there was a point where my parents, you know, you're you're being from the Midwest, you know, like at a certain point you're signal and they're just really, really concerned.

And so the psych every single one of their friends probably has a friend and they're talking about how you're still single. You're bringing like one guy buddy over to parties just to fuck with them. Yeah, I mean, they're just talking all their friends like, hey, you know anybody you can send them up with and actually ironic this kind of how it worked out my dad's. My dad's buddy was working is a director with with Noreen and and we were out in Arizona actually we met in Arizona while we're on the road and and he says, hey, you got to meet the cast and I was like, yeah, what am I going to do me to cast?

“Why wouldn't he do that? He's like, well, you should probably meet Noreen, you know, I think you guys have a lot in common. So he kind of set us up, which is pretty cool.”

We ended up going on our first date and then next night we played the coyotes the day after and we want to nothing. So I know I knew that was probably the right to say.

Oh, you shot him out. Hey, I was like, yeah, this is my vote. This one works. I read that you're not super fish as though. Oh, yeah, little stitches. Yeah, I don't remember you being that bad though, like not like a lot of no I'm not like it's not like Pedro Serano with the chickens and stuff like in major league, but like there's there's things that I would kind of have to do is just give my mind right. I think all of us being hockey players is how it goes right. You got to get your mind right. There's things that make you comfortable. I think a lot of the stuff you saw is just me probably throwing tennis balls off the wall and being real quiet and stuff.

I don't know if people the most visible thing I do that is kind of out there is people seem to go out to the ice and I got like a stick and I'm just kind of like running through like positive affirmations and visualizing when asked to happen, but it looks like I'm talking to myself. So I guess it looks a little bit crazy, but there's a there's something behind it.

“You see a lot of goalies doing that now, were you kind of one of the first guys to do that? I don't remember other guys doing it. I don't know. I think everybody just comes up with what's going to work for them.”

And mine is more like, you know, coming from the youth hockey when you're packed in a small locker room as the goaliers, I get to get out of here. Like there's just a bunch of, you know, add a lesson lunatics, you know, going crazy listening to whatever music can go and often.

So the Miller family for people who don't know like to anonymous with Michigan state, I'm going to have to get the full list of how many Miller's have actually played there, but for you is a goalie.

Were you playing goalie for me, young age? I'm always interested to hear like how you got into it, like what made you play that position? And when you started really.

Well, ironically, we were living in California. I saw my dad was in the software industry. So we software industry started East Coast, like kind of Midwest and East Coast. So I lived in in Massachusetts for a minute to. So I learned how to skate Massachusetts.

“What town we were in? How are we? I can't even remember man. Like we were just outside Boston. And then we're in New Jersey for a bit. My brother Drew was actually born in Jersey.”

In like dover area. It was like, and then we moved back to Michigan. Then we moved to California and found like the software kind of boom and lived in like San Jose Santa Clara area. I was a Santa Clara Black Hawk for a minute. Wow. Team still around. Yeah. It's free wild. And then when we were out there, I just kind of got that edge. I bit exposed to Washington College hockey in Michigan State and loved watching the goalies really into like norm foster and and Bobby essence and like these guys were like the, you know, the big time goalies and for the team. And I was just really obsessed with watching them.

What I kind of like got further along in hockey. I kind of forced my dad's hand as I really want to play goalie. He's like, no.

I was like, I really want to try. Like, no, absolutely not. So I had a little sit down strike on the bench. I was like, I'm not going out to play another second. So I get to try goalie.

How old are you at this point? Probably about eight. Okay. And he made a deal. He's like, go, uh, you got to score a hat track and get three assists in a game. You can do it. And I had it done in like half a game. I was just like, okay. But you thought you might get me at least on that game because we're is the game and already started it. And he's like, well, this kid's not going to finish this. So I'll get them and I came back and just stared him down. I guess he's just like, oh God. Here we go.

“That's wild. And how were you once you got started in that and did part of the story have to do with if you were frustrated with the goalie that you guys had in the net at the time?”

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a little bit. Like, I mean, we were in California. It wasn't really a sport that I'd grown up yet. Like, sharks weren't even in the area. Like, actually, we were like, we were like, canvassing for the sharks to go to San Jose when we're leaving. Like, go take her away and door to door with papers to people of the, you know,

pamphlets trying to sign them up and like my brother and I go, I'm like, he hockey's amazing. You guys should definitely have a team here.

And then we moved home to Michigan and then the sharks came like a couple years later. You're responsible for like, sell a brini basically. Yes. And it shows. Wow. Yeah. I like to think so. Yeah. Oh, those were like religious guys who go door to door. They probably thought you were like, like, trying to sell bibles or something. Yeah, and it's a different kind of religion. Yeah. Yeah. The whole was witnesses.

“Yeah. Your whole was witnesses. That's what it is. Yeah.”

They saw us for their little red wagon. They probably knew better than those. It was pretty funny looking back on it. No, but yeah. Like, just hockey wasn't the thing. So my dad would kind of recruit from like the soccer fields and baseball field. Like, if I'm playing soccer or baseball, that that is a good athlete. Hey, your kid want to try hockey. That's kind of how we built out the rest of the team. And so it's like, yeah. I mean, we didn't really know what we were doing.

So I think I just got to kind of like, as a goal. It kind of does like, I got fixated on like, hey, like we got to stop goals. Like, I want to try that unreal. And then how did you get so good then after that? Well, we moved back to Michigan shortly after that. My dad would tap for me with Hawk's turn to scare me off. But I thought it was cool. Like, I make one glove save and just make my day. Like, hit me in the head and just be like, I still stayed out. You know, like, like, but my cousins, like,

go back to what what was saying, like, we have a pretty rich hockey history. You know, my grandfather came in the 50s down in the Michigan State. His brother came after him in the early 60s. And then my dad played in the 70s. My, my cousins, who are my, my great uncles, kids who came. The Kelly Kevin Kipmiller all played and he shall Kevin played in the Olympics. And Kip was a hobby baker winner in in 91. And then I was a hobby baker in 2001.

Then me and my brother, and that's all ended up 10 of us at Michigan State.

“And it was wrong, Mason there. Like, he, I mean, how long did he coach there was 30 years?”

Yeah, so my dad, the last part of Amel Bisoni, who was like the original coach, like, my, my grandpa came down in the 50s and played for him. And then, you know, Ron came on and had that long run and had had the rest of, had me. And then I laughed, my brother had a, uh, calmly. Oh, you're there for that stretch. I was just going to say, I imagine you were highly touted, you know, prospect going into college. Was there any other chance you would go anywhere else where it was Michigan State and in your family.

It was a chance to live a dream, right? But it was a, at the time, I wouldn't be a true freshman. I had a weight. So like I had buddies. I played with, who, uh, Adam Hall, Andrew Hutchison, John and Son. I guys were ahead of me. I played with, or again, some growing up, and they are in the class. I had to be. So I, I waited a year, played another year, two years, which is kind of normal now. Back then, you really wanted to be a true freshman. But, uh, so I waited a year. I could have gone to Clarkson. They offered me to be a true freshman.

Uh, on North American League, I played it up in the Suicide Marine on the Michigan side. Um, and, uh, yeah, so I had a chance to do it, but, you know, the main thing that stood out to me is you got a chance to live a dream. And if you pass it up, it's kind of like a bad move. So I just was like, you know, I just, I'm screwed down another year, you know, you, you guys all see me. I'm not, I'm not like the biggest stature person. I got, I got some height now. But like, I, I was,

five foot eight on my, uh, my first driver's license, right? And I was like 150 pounds. So,

like, I needed time. Yeah, you got the height. You never gained a ton of weight, I would say.

But you did, you did get the height back then. I think that you were probably above average height, though, when you came into the NHL, right? Like, it was still a kid to have smaller goalies. Yeah, it's probably those extra few inches that I put on. Like, at the draft, I think they had me listed at six, one, but I think I was, I was six, two already by that. And I was like, health, like half a year's taller. But yeah, I think I was probably

a little bit on the taller side. And now I'm probably right at average or below now. So big. Boys are so big. Did your lack of size for you to like get better at skating? And like, how did you kind of evolve as a gold tinder? Because when you're big, you can kind of just front pucks. But

“when you're smaller, you have to be a great, you know, lateral mover. Yeah, yeah, for sure.”

My dad likes to point out, like, sometimes he would be at games. And like, people would comment on my style when I was young. Really young. Because I would be like, like, seven feet out of the crease and just like, right next to the guy I'm breakaways. And like, like, this style changed a lot too, right? So like, probably couldn't play quite as aggressively as a kid. Now, like,

like, the kids are so good now. Like, they're probably running the back door plays. And like, all that stuff. Now, we're like, back then, I could really just skate and move. And I think it definitely helped to be more of a positional skating goal tinder. And then getting some size, you know, having used my hands a lot as a kid too. Like, having to really reach for stuff. And like, understand how I use my hands. I think that helped a ton.

Because as you get taller and bigger, I mean, it's not a skill. You can just turn on like a light switch. Something like, you know, working with San Jose as a scout and the development guy now. Like,

“I mean, that's what we're looking at. Like, can this player, you know, be a complete player?”

And you see a lot of guys are just trained themselves into the dance steps of moving this goal.

And then just kind of getting hit. Cause they're in a position, you know, and a shell doesn't always work out.

Clean. You got to be adaptable as you guys know from all the other positions. Taking a moment, getting away from your career, I'm wondering because we've talked about this. The past two years a lot. The consistency and and inconsistency of goal tending now in the NHL, where you see guys had these incredible years in the next year, like, they just struggle and then you struggle and then you're phenomenal the next year.

You were pretty consistent. Like, in terms of what you've seen now, what creates the issue in terms of, like, some guys just really battling year to year. I wish I knew, man, then I would have the formula. I think I think the parody and the league is just part of that. Like, because you're not. You're not seeing too many teams that like fall off. I know we have some teams he talk about when it comes playoff time.

Like, all these guys are out, but it's just kind of like, I mean, there's such tight races and the skill is just such a high level.

I think you can get away with a little bit more, you know, going back 10, 15 years where, like, you can clog things up. You can take away certain situations. I know coming out of the lockout, you know, 405, they really started calling stuff. But even when you really look back, like, how easy it became to kind of like get back to some of the poking holes and pushing out from the net.

I mean, it was still part of the culture. And now I just think some of the situations, some of the goal is find themselves.

And it's just like, oh, my God, that was just an amazing shot.

Like, it's, it's so, the guys are still good now. They're just trained from a young age to just not a score. And it sticks too.

“Would it have driven you nuts at the, maybe the lack of starts a starter get now?”

Because I feel like you were one of those guys where it's like fuck you, like, Patrick, warm mentality. That's my net. So would it be a little bit more difficult for you in today's age during your, like, peak years? Yeah, probably. I mean, it culturally was just different.

Like, I remember I, in juniors, I had a tough stretch. And I kind of told the coach that he almost started one night and he, and he was a former goal and he was just kind of like, what's the hell are you doing?

You never, ever, two that like, what are you doing?

I like, okay. Well, he's like, he's like, yeah, okay, you're not in tonight. And if he plays well, you're not in the next one too. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's a good point. And then so just, yeah, but then mentality in my mind, like, okay, like,

you got to figure this out and you got to be ready to roll and you got to stay in the net. And I think it's helpful. Culturally, I think it's changed a little bit to any tell guys are really aware of how they need to be feeling to be at their peak. But I do think there is a lot to be said about guys who can really roll with it.

And because then come playoff time, you, you want to have a guy who's feeling it. I mean, that's, that's been such a big difference in the playoffs. So, so often, it's like, when the guy is really feeling it's two months of hockey, you know, you're not getting the break. Can you do it?

“You have to be able to practice that at some point of sustained,”

like sustained game play. So, I understand why they have the rest, but like I, I love to be in the net. I think one year, I play like 76 games one year. Cole this shit. That's amazing.

Yeah, the thought of that now is like, you know, that will never happen again.

It's like, it's why there's so many like records that will just never be touched based on how much the position is changed. But I'm wondering, like, for your career at Michigan State, you came in. I mean, you were like, a one three goals against your freshman year. Like, I know you were kind of split and starts then.

Then the following year, it was just incredible, you know, one three two nine fifty. You win the Holy Baker, but you went back to school. And it's now that's kind of shocking. I think, I guess Augustine's back at his, he's a junior right now. Michigan State.

Maybe he's looking at what you did is some sort of, you know, future way to look at his career. But I'm wondering your thought process and going back or did Buffalo not think you were ready. Like, that's kind of ballsy, I feel like. Yeah, it was, it was kind of a mix. You know, Hossic was there.

And then they had mekanorne and Marty Buron were first round picks in different years as goalies. So I mean, you know, going off of what they knew is like, I was a fifth round pick. They got two first round goalies that not you really had the full opportunity. And trying to be realistic. Yeah, I had a great college career, but I don't know that they maybe felt that way about college back then.

Okay. So like the, the, the dilemma was I felt ready. But what could another year get in stronger in my situation, like we talked about, like, not a very big guy. Like, I, I, I made a lot of good strides and college getting stronger. And I was ready to be an American league goalie and push for the NHL my first year.

I knew I could play any American league. And I could push for the NHL I did.

“You know, playing about 16 or so games, I think that first year.”

And I, I don't know, it, it all worked out really well. And it was a lesson in patience for sure, like every, every young player thinks they're ready. Every, every draft pick thinks they're going to bust down the gate. But when you're not playing against your peers and you're playing just against the best of the best and you're playing against men. Like there are a lot of lessons to learn and I don't think you can just take on lessons like a fire hose.

Like he can't just be like, okay, just hit me with it. I'm, I'm, I'm ready to learn. It's like if you have to absorb everything the right way or else you're not going to sustain.

Is it should in the, you know, it was a good decision.

I had time to kind of prep myself and, you know, because it's really the internal battle first was in the organization.

I got to carve out a spot and I got to show them I can play. Like, it wasn't about being like, okay, I did it at this level because make room for me. It's like, oh, I got to be realistic. Earlier on, you mentioned like positive thinking. When did all that start in, in like at a young age where you try to manifest all this stuff, like, you know, even in the summertime where you like hardcore, like,

“like trying to develop non-stop, only a certain amount of rest training six days a week, like, what was it like leading into trying to get to where you were?”

I think as a really young kid, we had seasons like my dad would let us play both my brother and I and my brother have played in the NHL for a long time. And he would make us play seasonally, like, okay, you've got like one more spring tournament, then it's summertime, like you're, you guys are playing baseball, doing something else. Like, there's four of us in our family with four kids and, you know, you can't just be running around for 12 months out of the year when you have four kids, there's a responsibility to kind of spread the attention around a little bit.

And when you got two kids who ended up playing AAA hockey and then tune your hockey even college hockey, it's like, there's enough there already. I think we didn't really transition to, like, full full time until more in our teenage years, like, 14-15. Like, for a run in the time, like, I don't know, wits, like, we had the select stuff, sorry, at 15, and then they moved away from that into, like, more towards the NDTP. I said that backwards, don't, sorry. No, that was right. That was right. NTD program, something like that.

When that kind of came on, the select stuff changed a little bit, but that was all before.

“I think my, my age group was the first national team development program age group, so.”

Yeah, I think around that 15-year-old year was, I think, more serious, because we had a lot more summer stuff. And then the 16-year-old year, I think we had, like, some Colorado stuff, USA hockey, and you'd go by your sections and get invited based on how you played in your region. So, like, as I started a game, exposure to that, I think that's when the full time stuff kicked in. And being exposed to my cousins became before me, like, can't discount the fact that got to see them. And they were kind of, I feel like they were kind of, like, my cousin Kelly for sure inspired his younger brothers, Kevin and Kip, because he was a year.

He's a, he's a dog and a ball and he played, like, almost 1200 games, I think. And the NHL and funny part about him is he didn't play the American League and tell you he was coaching, and they needed somebody to play.

What he was coaching me, American League, so he played his first American League games after he'd already retired and sort of coaching.

“But he was a, he was a hard worker man, and I think he just kind of knew he'd have to do extra, and he did extra, and we got to kind of witness it.”

And we were old enough kind of philosophy, I took when I was running in pro skates or doing anything where I would run the ice time is, they were awesome, like, if you could hang, you could practice. That was the culture we had, like, come out, we'll show you how to do it. You know, we're doing our stuff, you kids, you know, my brother and I, you guys have fun, but we're gonna not gonna take it easy. You gotta try everything we do, we gotta work hard. And it was at a time when I don't think a lot of people were doing that 100% year round, so we just saw them do it, and we're like, oh, that works.

So we started, we got old enough, we started, you know, doing it. Now all the kids do it, so who knows?

So take us into, like, getting into the NHL, that first year pro, you get 16, 15 games, whatever it was.

Was Barron, and who was the other first round pick, Norman? Yeah, me can, Norman. Were they still, obviously, Barron was still around, but had they made a trade, or was it, how did you end up kind of winning that job, really? Well, I think so Mika would get sent down, I'd come up with Mari, and then we got a long stress where I think, you know, I think my record is pretty much 500-ish. Yeah, you know, it was still a transitional time for the Sabers, and trying to find our way a little bit.

And yeah, it's kind of more in the like, like, November through like February. And then back to the American League, and that we have a piece of showing the playoffs out here. And then, yeah, it was nice to get a taste, like you felt good to get an opportunity, and really inspirational. And I just took it to the next season as to work my ass off in the summer, and I could win the job.

Had an unfortunate second game, and was sent to the miners, and then get back up for quite a long time.

Yeah, and what's the reason? No, no, just like, didn't, didn't win. And then the walk away later, right? Yeah, and then the next year was full lockout, and actually probably helped me the most, because I had a place to play. I was in the American League, I was starting, we got a great team, we had, you know, we had,

Yeah, I'm a little Roy vanic, God said, Oh my God. Yeah, yeah. Like we bet in the A, we had veterans, it was, we were one of the best teams.

“The year prior, we had gone to the conference final, and that year we won the league, I think.”

We, uh, two years in a row, ran into a hot, weight flarity. Yeah, damn it, weighed. Oh my God, the guy in Milwaukee? Yeah, he got us two years in a row, he got traded, or something. Simon, somebody else, and one year he beat us, and he beat us the next year.

I think he, they beat Wilkes from the final of the win. I lost to him in the call to come out. Yeah, he got us that year. Yeah, he got us that year, and then you think he got us the next year. But he was incredible.

Yeah, he was on fire. He got NHL games, too, didn't he? Oh, yeah, he, well, he played a lot prior to that. Right, yeah, he's a little more old school. Just to old, wildly veteran.

Do you have a draft story? Do you have like a funny draft story or anything? Boston was Boston was my year. We came out to Boston. We're getting pretty good intel, like maybe I go second round.

“That's when they did everything at once, still.”

And they're like, hey, looking pretty good for second round. Had a couple scouts interested, or like, it's, it's my, like, I got, I got to pick this year. You're, I'm, we're grabbing, yeah. And I sat around and sell the fifth round. And, like, think my brother was just bored out of his mind.

Like, grandpa, my dad came along and brother was bored out of his mind. And he's just messing with me. And I've literally remembered like Buffalo's table turning around to kind of look up. And like, my brother's just like, you know, he's almost four years younger than me. So he's like, just about 14.

And he's just like, just screwing around. And it's like, they, and then they announce my name. And the cats go down and meet them. And that's pretty cool. It was fun.

But about time, buddy. It was just kind of like, it's a good checkpoint.

I was always, it's always good that people around me are very realistic.

And, uh, super supportive. But it's also like, hey. You got to draft this great. It's a checkpoint. If your, your part is something, work your way into it.

And it does cool to have somebody that's team to root for. And, uh, you know, the Sabers had just gone to the finals and lost to Dallas. And they were all fired up with that draft. So I was pretty, pretty interesting. Even that year, the lockout year, and I know Witz talked about it.

Like, all the best players were the younger best players in the league. We're down there playing, that it was such a good league to play. And for you and your, you know, confidence going forward, knowing that you were probably going to be in the NHL the next year, it must have been huge for you to play in that type of schedule in the minors.

Yeah, no, I, I recognize the opportunity. Like, I knew what it meant. Like, the NHL boys aren't playing. The, the two guys that had to me thought it was going to be half year lockout. And they're going to be back.

So they didn't do anything. Yeah. And then they had to scramble to find ice time. I knew that I had the advantage. It was well on my mind that I was in the driver's seat if I could just connect.

And I mean, I, it all kind of clicked with our team that year in regular season. And we had a decent playoff run. I mean, we really nice, uh, lessons. You know, I mean, we're learning how to win together, learn how to play.

Has a group going into some playoff runs three years in a row down there. And, uh, yeah, I, I knew what it meant. And I'm happy I was able to take advantage of it. You just mentioned that playoff run. So you didn't get an opportunity to cross over with Hashtag.

“Did you get the me to maybe in your first training camp or was you already gone by then?”

Now he was gone. Like, back then to like, you know, being in college and committed to college. You couldn't just come to camp, like, it's like, uh, I think there's a way to like pay your own way, but it's also like for me. It was like, well, not signed.

And there's not a lot of development facts.

And I never really remember talking in them about anything about my game.

Even like, even like, right here's your jersey. It's pretty much like two years. It's like the definitely the jungle back. And it's like, okay, you survived. Congrats.

Here's a contract. And it's like, if you don't survive, like, see you later. Like, it's now, I think we recognize the investment you make in it.

Ex amount of dollars, right?

Like, they have a whole algorithm. What every single draft picks worth. And how I'm values in a trade and all the stuff. So it's like, there's a value there.

“You have to like, protect your your investment.”

So we do a lot more now. But back to end. It was just kind of like, oh, good. Looks like you're doing pretty well, bud. All right.

We'll give you a shot now. So why people don't believe like younger guys. I'm like, wow, it's drafted by Pittsburgh. We had no rookie camps. We had nothing.

Like, like you said, like, people don't believe it now. And you're older was on the team. Now you, you, you leave the draft now. I think you go directly to a rookie camp.

It's like, there's no end.

We have to develop them. I'm like, see you later, buddy. Good luck. I gotta say thanks to my parents. No, we're on the plane now.

Yeah, pretty much. Like, honestly, yeah, we got, and we got guys. If they're, if they're European, we, you know, hopefully they can quickly get a visa and show up for, for development camp.

Yeah, that's how it goes. That Buffalo team though that you guys ended up forming. And you mentioned, like, Derek Roy, Vanic, Paulmanville, like, big parts that were a part of the Ronan Rochester.

When did you guys realize you had something special there? And more importantly, especially now for fans,

“like, you must have been amazed at the Buffalo Sabers fan base”

and how crazy the building was. And once you guys started having success, it's like, holy shit. This is what I kind of heard about coming in. Yeah, no, I mean, it's a hockey crazy city.

I mean, it's a big part of the culture of all of Western New York. I think just the fans in Rochester were great. Like, we had good teams and there's a pride behind that history. That team, you know, separate from the Sabers. And their own history, how they built themselves up.

And the affiliation has been great. And went away for a little while, but bringing it back and locking it down has been huge. You know, that's two parts of Western New York that you got to have. And when you kind of understood the click in,

the history and the fans.

And like, it really is amazing that I got to play there.

Honestly, like, it just kind of fit my style, my personality, what I'm comfortable with. And I think the reputation or like, Buffalo Western New York, it's, it's nothing until you experience it. And experience the real pride people have,

the passion they have, and how genuine the people are. Like, if you're willing to be a part of their community, I mean, you're in. Like, and then skip take, right? Like, they're going to give you everything you got.

If you can give something to them. Like, it's amazing. So like, that's, that was like the way I really felt connected. And I think it really helped me play there. I felt like, well, I can contribute to them on the ice.

But I also was trying to do stuff off the ice and go out in the community and help out where I could. But also just get out, just be social and just make friends and be around. And that's, and that was a big part of it. Like, you felt like connected.

And then when there's that much buzz and we were that good.

“Like, that's what kind of I think put everything over the top.”

That's why we were able to do all that. And I went to the Saver's game last night. They were in town play Anaheim. And that's case scenario went over time, perfect for me. But I was talking to some of the boys and some of the coaching staff and the trainers.

And they were just like, Melsey. It's back. And I was just like, that's awesome. Like, everybody. Everybody.

People are just wearing the gear over lunch. People are just talking to Saver's. Like it is back. It's awesome. That's amazing.

And you had Lindy there. And the fact that he's there again right now is crazy. Yeah. He's still doing it. But like, back then the coaches weren't as, you know, playing Tommy Sticks with the goalies.

Like, if a goalie let in some bad goals, they were getting reamed out. Do you ever have any run-ins with Lindy? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Lindy.

The gray bars of Jim Corsi was our goalie coach there. And he's one of the nicest, human being ever. I couldn't say more about him. He invented Corsi biz. No shit. His thought process inspired it.

Yeah. He had a thought about it. And ended up being developed surrounding his thought process. But yeah, Jimmy, Jimmy's just so nice. And he would act like a buffer. And it was great because like, Jimmy could take an ear full.

And then he comes smiling over, you know. But once in a while, you know, Jimmy had to go do other stuff. Because back in the day, it was pretty much you had, you were lucky to have a full-time goalie coach. Honestly, Jimmy would be back and forth a little bit

between Montreal and his other duties. So sometimes we lose Jimmy for a few days here and there. And you're just like, oh, it's my good cop.

Like, oh, God, just.

Is that we just use in razor?

I don't know. Razor and Lindy, I don't know. They had some fireworks back in the day too. So I'm sure he mentioned that to you guys. But yeah, no, if Jimmy wasn't in town

and something happened like a short side goal of any kind. Like, it was both goalies pulled in and you're getting the talk into. And then you just kind of think, God, you know. Like a, you know, a patio leamer.

There's a baker egg amendment like, hey, like. All right, let's go talk. I'm going, you guys got to be better. What the hell is that? And he's just pointing all the stuff out.

You're like, yeah, probably. Yeah, okay, great. And just try to get out without speaking too much and let him find somebody else to yell at. That's awesome. But yeah, Jimmy was an awesome buffer and he's great human.

So has Lindy team down at all? Cause like the new way. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's got to be different culture. Yeah, I talked to him in the last night.

He was laughing because I came in and things are going really well, obviously. But he's like, Melsey, I don't even go in the room after games. And I was just like, all right, I just was like, I seen everything. I actually like I was walking out of the room. Like I was like, yeah.

He was like, no, no, I, I don't go in anymore. He's like, I've learned. I was like, oh, then that's great. I couldn't use that. I could have used that a couple times.

Glad you learned. But now it's, I mean, it's just like players coaches have to evolve. And I'm, I'm glad Lindy's able to evolve and have another shot.

Because ultimately he wasn't good coach for us.

And there's a different era. And, and for all like people like to talk about Lindy being a Snapchat show once in a while and stuff. He was passionate and he wanted you to be accountable.

“And I think that when you really get down to the best teams.”

I mean, you have to have that. So you want it. So what, you know, why not? It's been a pretty crazy like 10 day span where three trainers have celebrated 2500 games.

And you mentioned you went down and talked to the trainers. George Babcock. Is that his name? Yeah, Charlie. He's awesome.

He just had his 2500. Yeah. When the camera was on, if you could tell he didn't really like the shot. Yeah. Yeah.

But what was he like and were you a guy that would show up all

to early and basically be a trainer yourself?

I was a training room rat. Me and Georgie would sit on the old German sewing machine and like fixed stuff all the time. So like they got the same sewing machine and buffalo that I would use. And like I would we would just sit around and build stuff.

Because George he's already the builder man. He's into engines and he's into like cars and dirt bikes. And he's just a hilarious guy. He's he's kind of nuts. He'll do anything for a lot to get the boys gone.

“I think one year he came in before playoffs.”

He was riding on our Chuck Garlow as our massage guy as shoulders. Right before we played Philly for like game six or something. We could finish the series and came in and shoulders and just. I think. Yeah, Chuck he just launched him off his shoulders into the table of Gatorade and all

stuff. He just smoked it all over everybody. But right before the lineup read and just stuff like that came in. I think came in a couple of times this hands on fire with with put alcohol. I'm lit his hands on fire and just started reading line up and doing crazy stuff and just.

That's not real. He's an absolute beauty and we've had so much fun with him over the years. He's got a Sam ride sword down his throat. I'll put him be surprised. He's classic though he he would.

He could bring empty crates on the road like the big boy creates. And he he he budgets the weight on it on the way out so that on the way back. He could go on eBay and buy a motorbike in some random city. And he'd have a broken down piece by piece and put in the crate on the plane. He's a great now in the plane.

Like. He's a veteran. You get a head of the weight. Oh, he's a statement. Oh, he's amazing.

This hilarious. That is so good. Shorty's good. He deserves it. He's what's the most interesting thing he's built.

Oh, he's just built this house. That cool stuff. Yeah. What's your stuff? No, he's internet.

Yeah. It's show up and help us out.

“I think he helped me and got to that one year because he had.”

And we're like, hey, uh. Can you bring the equipment truck by? We can use it to move out of our house. That's right. He's like, yeah, I'll be over.

So he's awesome. He takes care of the boys. He looks out for everybody. That's awesome. In those years of having some really good teams in Buffalo.

I think you guys had one defense been left playing.

Correct me from wrong there. But in those teams. To be right. Yeah, it was just soupy. It was fighting.

Yeah. With people die, uh, people are Newman installing a T in that or no. That was when like Jay McKee was there. So he had a staff infection almost died. Really?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was close to losing his leg. They were like, they did a test.

They did a test on them. We're like, okay. We gave you the antibiotics and they got like their measure. Now, where his, like, this mark is on his leg. Like, there's a, like, the infection kind of shows up in a way.

Like, one part's more redder, whatever. Then the, then the rest. Then, right. Okay. We did the antibiotics.

We got the line in you. So if this rises up to this point in the next hour, we have to take your, like, or something like that. Yeah.

The next hour. Yeah. So he had to sit there and pray that's fricking like the infection. The climb is like any further. Right before we were playing game seven.

Did he come back after that? Yeah.

“He went next year, he signed with St. Louis, I think.”

But yeah, I mean, he had to be on the antibiotics for quite a while. But like, just something random. I think he blocked the shot, like, but the series are too prior. And it was eventually just got infected.

I don't know. You guys had a good deed. Like, it was, so Henrik calendar. Tony admin. Yeah.

Like Nathan Page, Numanin, Dmitry, he was at Collinan. Collinan, yeah. Collinan, yeah. And all those guys were down. Yeah.

Collinan was one of the more undercover guys. You'd ever really know. Like he just saw that everything great defense went. Yeah. We're done.

I think Dougie Jannick played his first NHL game.

He scored. I think we were up to the one going in third. And like, we're just hanging on by her. It's going to be our teeth there and just got away from us. But yeah, that was kind of devastating.

You know, like we had, and we lost Tim Conley earlier in that playoff. You got hit, cross. And that crossed off and got hit. That was a concussion.

“I mean, that's the guy right there where I think we even just haven't Timmy.”

Like he, but he was leading lead and lead and playoff points to that. Up until that point and like he was a machine. I would love to see what he could have done. And I think it's, it's almost haunting. Like Timmy is a great friend.

I think we go way back. Like we've played against each other here and they're growing up. And to get the chance to play with each other and his level of skills just beyond. Imagine him now. No.

We said, oh, we interviewed him last year. It's like this guy. I don't know. I played in the Hall of Fame game in Toronto just before. Some of the inductions a couple of years ago.

And Timmy came out to play. And he hadn't really done much except like pushpucks around and coach the kids and do some stuff. And like he was absolutely dangling out there. And I know it's like a Hall of Fame game. You know, it's just, but when you really like you're watching them.

I was just like, oh my god. He's still so good. He never practices. This isn't saying. He's just so good.

I mean, yeah. But that's the hard part about the cut man. It's got a really kind of come to you. And I do wish we could have won honestly. Everybody does.

But it has to kind of come to you.

“And you have to, it has to be your time.”

And this wasn't our time. We, we, we got a really good team. Yeah. You also have to have the healthy team that I'm kind of make it. So just that sucks.

What was maximum off in a gunoff?

Like, I always look back to like guys talk about his gear.

Like he's one of the sleeker looking players ever. Kind of had that bere vibe. Very sweet. Yeah. He goes like six shin pads.

Perfect sized pants. Just fucking zipping around out there. Yeah. He's got it tailored, right? Like the tailored look.

Yeah. He's awesome. You could just hear his skates hitting the ice. Like just so hard to like just. He, it was fine.

I got to catch up with him. We like, bunch of boys got together in January. We saw a lot of the guys. I actually bumped into you. Yeah.

Yeah. When we saw you in Buffalo. Yeah. I was going to be spanked by Rob Ray. And he was coming to celebrate their 20th year.

Taylor Piant was there. You guys had an awesome. Yeah. I was there. Yeah.

That was awesome. See, I haven't seen that. A lot of those guys in forever. But yeah. Max used there and we spent some time.

Actually, their, their flight was later. So they stuck around. We went out to watch the bills playoff game. I wanted my son to be able to watch amongst the bills faithful. I got them hooked up with the jersey to watch.

And then this one that intercepted. I got called and I was just like a check. Please. I think I don't want my son to see what's about to happen. We got to get out the side door here quick.

And so get to see those guys a little longer.

They're, they're awesome. They were such good players. Maxy was hilarious. Just with his accent and stuff. We just go in my hard time about everything.

“Just like, I think one time, like on the bench,”

he just started drinking this random thing. We're like, what's he, like, what's he doing? Like, kind of figure out for a while. He's got like this steaming hot. Drink at the end.

We're just like, what's he doing? He was like drinking just straight sugar water. It was like warmed up. Like, is it? Maxy, what is that?

He's like, is sugar water? We're like, what is sugar water? Like, what? Sugar water? Oh, okay.

So he just had a lot of fun with him, man. He's, he's hilarious. That's awesome.

Who was like the clown in the room?

Like, I, I got to know Derek Roy a little bit. He's hilarious. But I didn't, I didn't know what the room was like, in terms of like entertainment. Oh, yeah.

Well, you'd like to know, eh? So Andrew Peters is probably the guy who, uh, kept it real loose. Pete is, uh, Pete is awesome. He's a good friend.

We check in all the time. He, he said I'm a one side of me for a while. And I, I don't know. I just have a special place in my heart for guys. You do that kind of job.

That's probably why I can tolerate Paul. You know, it's just a, it's a hard job. And there's certain personalities that can, uh, that can kind of rise out of it. And, uh, Pete is one of those guys for me.

I, just, really proud of him too. He's got these, he's done a great job post hockey. And he's just had a little daughter here, uh, right around the holidays. So he's got, he's, he's got a son, uh, he's just a little bit older, my son.

He's just having a daughter. So he's, he's doing great. And, you know, he's a fun guy.

“What do you remember about when he fought, uh,”

Emory in that night? Cause that game was insane. That was not. So I wasn't, I wasn't starting that game. Thank God.

Or else I would have to go down there. But I was on the bench and Marty. They're on going down there. Who's, he wasn't much bigger than me and going after Ray who, I remember Ray from,

I had to play against me. American League all the time. And like, I think, uh, I made peace with Ray very early. Cause like, I heard all the rumors.

Oh, yeah. Because it's like, we're obsessed with boxing. And like, he talked about how he trained all the time. I'm just like, this is, I got to play this guy like 12 times a year in the American League.

So like, And of course, like, one of our games this guy took a run at me. And I kind of sidesteped on me. He hid himself in the crossbar. He's like bleeding all over.

And I didn't know he had the, I turned around and I kind of grabbed and like, gave him some shots. Because he's trying to kill me. Like, I came in like full speed and blew the net out.

But he blew himself up. And I got a match penalty right away. Cause they thought I blockered them in the, in the face or something. And Ray was already kicked out for suspension. I got kicked out.

God dressed. I go up in the stands to watch and raise like right down there. So I went over and sat by Ray. I didn't hit a man. Yeah.

And Rochester and up in the corner. And I just sat by him. And we're like, I should probably go talk to him. And so I went down and talked to Ray and kind of made peace very early. And then they reviewed the tape.

I didn't get suspended because the guy smoked himself. But I didn't have to face off of the Ray. Yeah, I think it was Marty though. Cause Ray, you see the video and he's smiling. Like he's like, yep.

You know, Marty, a pretty good job of staying away from the, from the fist. And somehow did like a dude just who moved like, like, legs with him or something. But he survived that. And you know, PD comes in and goes toe to toe with Emory.

“And I think that's one of those, those moments from that,”

that season where you're kind of just like, okay. This is, we're, we're a group, we're a team. Everybody sticks up for each other. And we're also pretty good. Good at hockey.

So it was fun. Emory was laughing during it, too. That's when I was like, all right. This guy, this guy, this guy's like smiling, squaring off with a heavy weight in the NHL.

That was incredible.

He always had boxer as on his helmet.

I remember it was like not even like, nothing to do with hockey. Just have like Mohammed Ali or Joe Fraser on his, this guy's looking for a fight every game. Yeah. And that's why I made T.

So I'm very, very honored. What about the memories in terms of the luchic incident? Because I mean, it was a full on like golly outside the crease. I'm treating this like a defenseman. I'm going to run him over.

I remember you were furious. Did you throw your helmet at him? I was nervous to ask that. I wasn't going to ask that question. I had to ask about it.

Oh, my helmet's about it. I had luch coming on after you did. Yeah, luch coming. No helmet went flying off. I took a swing at him kind of half ass.

What am I going to do fight luchic?

I was just kind of pissed because he's got like 70 pounds on me.

And I was just kind of like really, but I made eye contact with him, which is why I was like, okay, I got eye contact. He's not going to kill me, right? Oh, and yeah.

I guess I was wrong. But yeah, I don't know. I didn't feel very good. He's going to ask him with. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I'm glad. What are you talking about? I asked about that. I wasn't even in the open. I had I go.

We're going to get like 10 tweets of people being like, why the fuck didn't you ask him about that? But I'm like, what? You know, he's probably going to be like, what do you want me to say?

I got fucking ran over. I've been ran over by him though. I got. Yeah. You were fucking fuming in that post game.

You were fuming. Yeah. I kind of regret that.

“But it doesn't remember any of it though.”

No, I know. I did regret kind of going back because it's kind of like, what does that even do? You know, like, you just pissed off and like, for me in the situation, like,

it's like, when am I ever getting in the situation or are I going to do anything about it? It's safe. It's like I guess. I'm watching it again.

He's doubling down. He's falling. He falls. It's weird. It's weird.

It's weird. No, no, no, no, buddy. Are you kidding me? You're being so busy with that. You're being me right now.

Do you're pulling a biz right now? Doing that? Oh, dude. This guy got to paint with a silver medal in the Olympics. Yeah.

This is always treating him.

It's hard. Buddy. Should we take that? I don't like seeing it. You just went like this.

I know. Looch has hit them. Falls. Went with it. Been grabbing luches.

Gloves off of the scrum. He would have been like, oh, I hear. There you go. Sorry, my goalie ran into you. Okay.

Well, we could talk about Olympics then because mostly I'll tell you throughout the second half or second and third period of this year's Olympics when we won. You know, USA won. I just kept thinking. And I think I said it on our stream.

Like, this is what Miller did. This is what Miller did. It was it was eerily similar, right? Like, you had to be thinking like, oh, my God. Like, I was just I was just somehow keeping us alive.

And then obviously it ends the wrong way. But that had to be the best hockey you ever played.

I've never seen anything like it until hell above this year.

Obviously it was it was fun. It was I just kind of threw it back to like growing up is like hockey's the challenge sport. Like it's meant to be played in tournaments at different situations. And you know, it's not always just like, hey, let's grind for 80 some games and grind through playoffs. It's like there's other situations to play.

And I always loved that about growing up. You had a bunch of tournaments to play. So a little bit different format in the Olympics for us. And I was just looking forward to it. So it was a great experience with, you know, with you guys.

And hell, I found listening to you and bugsy chatting up all the time. That was that was a core memory for me from the Olympics. Just hearing the chatter from you guys constantly is pretty funny.

“What do you remember from that specifically, if you don't mind letting the audience know?”

The whole turn me and then me doing his voice. Yeah, fuck, I'm on over. Pretty much that. Yeah. I just thought it was great.

We had a great mix of guys. And they were willing to like kind of like, get the room like where need to be not loose. But like, hey, let's like have fun with this. I think even from the top down for management wise,

like Burkey set us up in a good way mentally. Like telling us the whole time, like you guys are fricking good enough to win. Go win. But then kind of in the media, like,

you know, we'll see how we do. Like we're kind of underdogs. You know, can't do so good. And like this team is, you got some young guys and some veterans. We'll see how we do.

But behind the scenes, like, pumping our tires and be like, you guys got win. Like go do this. So I don't know. I thought it was great.

And we got like, we caught fires. It was great tournament. It was a lot of fun. And freaking sucks to lose at the end there.

But it's something where, um, I don't know about you with, but like,

“I got more emotional when they won this year.”

And I thought it would. Like me too. It wasn't like, oh, my god. Tears are raining down.

But I was just kind of like, good. Good for that. I was so happy for them. And then I got a little jealous.

Which you had more of a right to be, like, you had such an impact. I mean, you were MVP of the Olympics. So it was like, were you not? Yeah, I got MVP of that tournament.

Yeah. You were McDavid before McDavid. No, but it was crazy that it was before. Yeah. Before that game ended,

I was like, this can't happen again. Like, and when you say, like, emotional about it, I was like, we just had like,

we had to be candid. I had to find the happens.

But going into the tournament, had you talked to Berkey or Ron Wilson about, like, did you know you were the starter? Cause, you know, at that point,

Tim Thomas, he was playing great hockey. They hadn't won the Cup yet. Yeah. But were you like going in like,

“I'm not sure what's going on or had you been told prior?”

Now, Ron called me during our Super Bowl party. Okay. And it was like, hey, like, just stay your head right.

You're going to be starting to your net. And kind of like, you got to go do it. And it kind of helped having the knowledge that we had. Timmy and Jonathan quick.

In a way, it's kind of like, there is this pressure, right? Like, you want to succeed.

You want to do well. You're representing the whole country. I got the,

I got the first crack out.

If I, if I fuck it up, I got some really good guys you can come in. Like, it's helped a little bit.

Right? Like, I wanted to play. And I wanted to win. And I wanted to do well.

And I've prepared myself. And I ramped up for it. Uh, you know, I'd planned out my entire year around it.

Training, rest, focus, like wind is like push, wind is like,

to like, to like peek at the right time. And, and I was dialed. And,

but I knew if I, if I screwed up, like, Timmy's a really good goalie. Johnny's a really good goalie.

And we're still a really good team. So yeah. No, it was, it was an awesome tournament.

“And I think it was awesome in Vancouver too.”

Like, how great was that city set up at that time? Like, that's also what I remembered a lot of was just, we had a lot of afternoon games.

And the chance to kind of go off with the boys or the families and just be around the city and just, it made it feel like we were part of the Olympics. Instead of like sitting around all day, wait to play.

Okay. We play. Then we go to sleep. And then we train. You had these hours afterwards to feel like you're an Olympian.

So it was pretty cool. That's awesome. Yeah, and also time you leave the ring. It's 11 o'clock. Like, there's nowhere to go eat.

Like, you got to hopefully something stays open. Were you guys, wait, you were kind of confused. You didn't remember whether you'd stayed in the athlete village. Do you remember where you guys stayed?

You don't remember where you guys stayed. You don't remember where you stayed. You don't remember where you stayed. You don't remember where you stayed. You did.

Yeah. But we talked, we had time all here. We talked about it. Like, I remember like, at the time,

“and you think I think we stayed in the community.”

I remember if Canada stayed there. I think Canada did. Oh, I think I thought you were. I stayed. But he fucking, seven.

The Olympic team. Well, huh. I don't know where. I think we might have to go back and check the tape, Melsey. Hey, buddy.

I'll tell you right now.

I never fucking wondered because I was at the McDonald's.

24/7 open at the cafeteria every night. Don't you be saying that. I didn't know where I stayed in Vancouver. I love this ship. Yeah.

I was in the bunch of people. I said, you do it though. That was at the verge of coming in drunk. Getting a snack, going a bed. But Melsey's right.

I mean, it was, it was like, we had a bunch of new games. Three o'clock games. And you didn't play for three days. It was like a full one. Now, I don't think everyone was behaving the same way.

But I mean, Caner was out. It was a legit scene after a game. I got it. Ron Wilson had fun boys. Skate tomorrow at noon.

It was unbelievable. No, yeah. It was fun because then we got to experience it. I think it helped the kind of team we had. I think it helped that team.

You know, to be around it. I think the USA made the right decision on this year, too. Like, stay around it. Feed off the energy. Like, I think that kind of sub makes it their friends.

You can't isolate yourself all the time. I think sometimes need that little extra boost.

You never know where it can help.

And yeah. So I was happy for the boys this year. Really happy. And like I said, really jealous, too. Because like that would have been just such an amazing feeling.

Watching them just throw their gloves off. Chuck their helmets in the air and just get out on the ice like that. That was amazing. Be a kid again. Yeah.

And the cool part was that we were watching it from the ring. My son had a game that morning. And they were doing on the ice. Like, okay, like the boys just it's going to go over time. Okay, go get dressed quick.

And then like they got dressed and then like everybody's watching on phones or watching on TVs and the lobby and stuff. And then they, they score like five minutes for their game and supposed to start. So we're just like, you guys just got to see the US win a gold medal. Now you get to play hockey. Let's go.

That's incredible. Is your son a goalie? No. No. He's probably the main of like center left wing.

Nice. And milsey, I like to talk about when you were traded to St. Louis had to be super emotional. I mean, did you know like, all right, Buffalo's in a different spot. Now like how did that all come about and how hard was it for you to kind of say goodbye?

But it was midseason all of a sudden you're in a different room.

“Yeah, that was harder than I thought it was going to be.”

You kind of feel it coming in a way. I think the year prior they kind of. Said, okay, well, it sounds like you want to get traded. I was like, well, I didn't really ask for a trade. I was just kind of like, what's the plan?

And they had come to me at one point and said they wanted to kind of base a contract off me, staying around. But I wanted to know more about what that would entail. And without going into a two deep La Fontaine was there at the time. And I was dealing more with him.

And then he wasn't. And I still don't really know exactly what happened.

As he's never talked about it and no one with Buffalo ever really talked about it.

And it just seemed like the direction they were going to go was going to be a full kind of rebuild. And I think at that time I didn't. Really understand wherever they were going to be going with it with me in mind. So I just was kind of like, well, I'd like to know more about it. And then we got to kind of con that confusing place of.

Do you want to get traded or don't you, and it's I didn't really ask for a trade, but it maybe I implied it by saying I didn't really want to sign until they had a plan. So they told me they would trade me as just like, oh, okay. And they didn't trade me in the summer. Like they said they was came back and had to kind of keep going.

And then so I kind of knew it was coming at some point. But it was harder than I thought it was going to be for sure.

“And I think this buffalo meant a lot to me.”

And I thought we had a good group. And you know, when you get success early with a group. And then you feel like you can see it fading away. As one more guy gets traded and one more guy gets traded. And you're just kind of like losing that momentum you have with that group.

You're just kind of like, oh, man, like. It was kind of hard to reset and get the wheels going in the same Lewis a little bit.

Like I think it started out okay.

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And they have Vancouver's a great stop. I'm really happy I got the playing Canada. It was a beautiful city. Passion about sports and hockey and life in general. Like such an active city.

And proud to say my son was born up there. He's born a Vancouver women and children's hospital. And he's a dual Canadian citizen.

And it will always be connected to Vancouver just for that reason.

So that was a great, great part of life. So he's the only member of your family that would be a dual citizen. While my dad is my dad's dual. He's born in Canada. And yeah, they do it now where he had to give it up when he was a kid.

Because you couldn't hold two citizenship and be an American back in the day. Now since you can, he went back and claimed it. Yeah, so it's actually, I think it's open to my, It's open to me and my siblings as well. So oh, that's awesome.

Pigeon, you left out that you're trying to pass the puck to chip Chura. And it's actually a pretty good vision pass. You will be stuck in this and I'm going to be honest. But the fact, I'm more concerned like, Millsey remembered this goal.

“Do you remember every goal that was scored against you?”

Or did you look up Paul Business?

I just think every time I see him, I remind him that.

Oh, that's the problem. I think every single goal. I think I got, I think I got reminded. Carrey Price has a resume too, right? Yeah, you only scored against Hall of Famers.

I got one on Carrey, one on you. I forget. I try to think of who the other big dog goal is. Oh, there he saw a joke. There's only five more.

So I mean, you know, somebody for the sharks. I did keep one a cup with Chicago. Yeah, Nianmi. Oh, Nianmi. And think I got one on Nianmi.

And then you got one against the. Was it Kujo in Toronto? No, Kujo isn't all. If he's possibly tell quit. I think it was telly.

Tell Play. Johnny Bowler. And then the last stop. I mean, where you are now, like you. I would imagine you wouldn't have ended up in Anaheim post career.

Our new port excuse me if you wouldn't have played in Anaheim. So like what an unreal place to like essentially ride into the sunset. No pun intended and get to enjoy it there. And at that time, like probably still what going through somewhat of a rebuild. When I got there, I was a pretty veteran team.

We made the playoffs my first year.

We ended up losing the sharks. We got swept by the sharks that year. But I was I came in knowing I back up Gibson. It was kind of that was the transition point of my career going back up. I was like, I could do this for a couple of years.

And I just turned into four years. I just kind of COVID popped up. You know, and it just like I'm not going out. Turning COVID because we ended up sliding off. And it became a rebuild.

And we even missed the bubble.

“I mean, that's how rough it was in Anaheim that year.”

I was just like, I got to come back for another one. So carved out another year. And they were they're awesome to me. It's another perk is you know, went back last night to watch them. I'm going to get to Saber and saw a bunch of the trainers.

And the guys are still around support staff. And just having that sense of community around here and having people. You know, it helps out a lot. And yeah, but Bob Murray was still the GM then. And he did the Jimmy a huge favor of just letting me say goodbye to the game.

Like, I knew it would be my last year. And they kind of set up some starts at the end of the year. Whereas like, these are going to be your games. And it was kind of allowed me to say bye and then plan things out because they were still under COVID protocols and stuff like that.

So got to say goodbye and kind of structure some of that in. And yeah, so not a lot of people get to do that. And then hockey. So I was really thankful for them and showed me a lot of respect. And you know, I wrote in the owners too, the Samuel is really classy.

Building a ton of stuff around Orange County and just really building up the game, building up the community, you know, doing some great stuff. So it's good to see them back as well. They're playing great hockey. So, you know, as been great.

Say, where's your back, docks are back, sharks had a strong season. Hopefully they have a good push. Conucks aren't conucks off. Somebody's got to be down and somebody's up.

“So what's the buzz like in California right now with the sharks and the ducks being as good as they are and as young as they are?”

Big. I say a lot of excitement at the game. A lot of people at the game last night.

And yeah, you're hearing a lot more about it. You know, it's great young core there. Boys playing well. And the sharks too. I'm going to go.

I'm heading up there in a week to check in. I've been just doing development stuff. So I haven't gone up there since training camp. I've just been chasing after one of our goalies. Mainly helping mentor him a little bit.

So I'll get up there and I've been here and they've been getting big crowds. I'll have excitement. Hopefully they can build some points and stand the race here in the last little bit. Uh, we got row back last question, use code, check notes on row back.com for 20% off the first purchase of the end of the week.

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“We're asked, what was it like facing that back hand that I think I was going to say?”

Buddy. Unstop. Quickie past you. But second all time wins for a goalie from the US. In the US hockey hall of fame.

So how cool was it getting that call in the introduction? And did somebody kind of do a speech for you prior? What was that night like? Yeah, that was amazing. Just having my daughter was really young just born then having the whole family get together.

That was more emotional than anything else I think. I had my jersey retired in Buffalo and had to speak in front like 20,000 people. And I found that to be easy because I could just kind of speak out. But at the USA hockey one is like you're on the stage and your family's ready to run to you. You're like, oh my god.

Yeah, I couldn't talk like I was just so emotional because it's just like, wow. Like how much your parents do for you, how much your siblings do for you, how much everybody. Your wife and your kids have to go through a lot of stuff with you as well. So it's just like, that was a hard one. Burkey was chirping me during that one.

From the crowd. Because I couldn't get through like the first like few minutes I had to collect myself. And he's just like, let's go, Melsey, you're good. No tie. The...

I was... It's been great to look back on it all.

It's amazing how fast it all went.

But how fun it was. So again, the chance to cross pass. So it's so many different people over the years and play against you guys. And you know, it feel like you're on the league.

“Even with you guys, you know, we went head to head numerous times and it was just fun, right?”

Like it was just... You know, some of us came out on top once in a while. Yeah, did you ever get one on? I don't know, probably not. With?

I don't know. I did score in Buffalo one night. I don't know if you were in Netto. I don't know. My first was a...

The guy had reclunk whispers. Oh, wow. I mean, you know, you're not the only guy that's sniping on these legendary goals. I was trying to make a backhand pass the chip chore on the post. Oh, no.

Thank you, buddy. It's unreal. It was so cool getting to play with you.

I'll never forget that run.

And man, what a career you had. So we appreciate you hopping on. And thank you for getting a computer that works. Yeah, I know I had to borrow it from the wife. Yeah.

But thanks for having me boys. It's a lot of fun. And go green. All right. Oh, yeah, Michigan State.

The final words quickly, though, for the sabers going into this year's run. Any words of encouragement or advice for the boys? Absolutely nothing. They're doing great. They're doing great.

They just got to keep doing what they're doing. Don't change the thing. If you make eye contact with a forward that does it mean he's not going to hit you. Exactly. The code is broken.

It's not there. All right, Melsey. We'll talk to you. This is awesome. Thank you so much, Melsey.

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Thank you so much to Ryan Miller. Awesome guy. What a career. Pinkies up to him. Thank you for joining and buying a computer.

Biz. You see the story out of Vancouver. Both the equilineies? Yeah. I did.

I didn't. For anyone who didn't. Trevor Beggs, who covers the connox for the daily high Vancouver. In the middle of the game Thursday was removed from the arena. Press credential revoked because of an article that he was writing that pertain to a vineyard

that the equiliney's own basically being a part of a federal indictment in the United

States that some company that was involved with them was faking work visas for workers. I don't know the whole story, but I do know that the article was not making huge headlines. It wasn't maybe the biggest deal in the world, but what the equiliney's did. They decided to kick this reporter out of the arena. Take away his press credential for the article to only get more attention.

It's one of the craziest things. I don't even know you were allowed to do that. Our owners allowed to just ban anyone they want. Fuck yeah, they own the team. I don't know.

That's like Kim Jong-un, shit. I just. I got it. I was like wait. I didn't know.

I didn't know that was even allowed. I guess me. I imagine a speck up band.

“I just speck lost this press credential.”

I don't want that to happen. No, no, no, no. I'm not even being sarcastic. I'm just saying. I didn't know you could just ban anyone you want.

So you learn something new every day. And I just feel like bank Hoover and their fans. Like, I don't know if they're thrilled with their owner. I don't, I don't know. Could probably do a Twitter poll or something if you want.

Okay. Yeah, so I'll keep you out of this one. I'll keep you out of this. Someone stopped by to say hi. I think we should bring him in.

Tell me this. Do I think it is? No way. We got him boys. We got him.

Yeah. Very. Why you've been blueballing us? Did you seriously comment? Where is, where, where are you?

Like, in your, uh, in your sister's bedroom? What? Go on that. Oh, this is coming in with that chirp. Uh, this is, uh, one of the guest bedrooms, Gary.

If you must know. It's not, it's not. It's not. It's not. Gary.

Did you know this was coming? Did you know this was coming? No. Wow. This is, uh, all kidding aside, uh, not a fun day around here.

Uh, first cast. If you want to stay on the cup here. Uh, when I was on your show last year, I referred to Bruce as a genius. Uh, still believe that. Uh, he is an elite coach.

Um, um, did want a ton of games here. Uh, him and Kelly McCurraman really enjoyed one another. Worked very well together. Uh, Kelly McCurraman doesn't do anything in a panic mode. Uh, you know, obviously he made the decision that.

Team wasn't, the status quo wasn't going to work. And, uh, we'll talk about torques in that part of it.

Uh, in a second, because Bruce deserves his due.

Uh, this would, uh, uh, I have seen Kelly today. It's just not a great day for him. Uh, but, uh, Kelly makes hard decisions. Uh, it's what you sign up for in that job. And, uh, his track record is tremendous.

He's had one of the most insanely successful runs for GM. The whole organization, him and George McFee and Bill Foley. So I give them, uh, uh, you know, I give them the benefit out of the doubt all the time. People doubted when they traded for Jack Eichel. Look how that worked out.

Uh, you know, Mark Stone on and on and on.

They want to win.

“They want to deliver, uh, more success for Vegas.”

But, you know, they just, the determination was that the status quo wasn't going to work.

And they had to, had to make a change. So that's what they did today. And it's, uh, it's not a lot of fun. Bruce was firm from the broadcaster perspective. Like, uh, you know, Bruce was fantastic.

We would go, you go on the road. Bruce and the coaches go for dinner. Me and shade 90 and Dave Gosher, Dan Dova. We go for, for, for our meal. Everybody comes back to the hotel.

Going to the lobby bar. Verse.

Made it be lined for us all the time.

Came over. Uh, would sit down with us. Talk hockey. You know, quite often, you know, you'd, we'd go to get the bell. The bill was already gone.

Like he's, uh, he was great to work with. And, um, uh, you know, he's, you know, I got a Stanley cup ring. Uh, and because in. No small part because of Bruce Cassie.

So no notes to self.

“If you want to be called a genius by, uh, Gary Wallace.”

Just buy his buys beers. Hey, I got to do this before we go too far. My. He's like my godson is my best friends. Uh, son Eli Pulver.

Golly and Wisconsin. Punster ticket to the frozen ice fucking rights. I'm on here last, I'm on the air last night broadcasting. Our game gets the capitals. I get a text room.

My buddy Paul, my best pal. Loly. I need 40 rooms at area. Now. Oh, sure.

You'll be able to find rooms. You're like, let me text Bruce. He'll pay for it. It's awesome. That's for weeks.

Listen with. I can get the brain here. I came on here. Like, let's not get, uh, anyways. Oh, I love it.

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Like, it's the system that Bruce put in and their ability to defend is there. They have not got enough saves. That is with their question. When you look at the team, I call they a bunch of guys broke through last night, but a bunch of their top guys had under-achieved since the Olympic break. And listen, when you look at your team, you look at how many guys are over-achieving, how many are meeting expectations, and how many are under-achieving. And when too many are under-achieving,

“you have to look at what the message is and what you're doing. And I'm sure that's what”

I haven't had any in-depth conversation with Kelly, and I probably never will about this.

I'm not staff. I'm not an adjunct to the front office. I'm just a broadcaster, so, but, you know, that's the first. Don't push a nooks. Now, it's a compliment. It's a compliment. I know if you don't say "don't bring the nooks." So, you can't, you can't under-achieve that there has to be, this team is too good to miss the playoffs. They are, before the Olympic break, they had a five-point lead in the Pacific.

They trail in a home by six right now, Emmington by three. They're just above LA, and they're just out of wildcard too, because Utah's got more points to them. If they were to fall out of the top three in the Pacific, if LA was to overtake them, they would fall right to wildcard too, and have a slim lead on that. This, this, this team came as the playoffs. It's too good. So, they run in John Tortorella, and it's, it's, it's really interesting. It's a crazy move. It's a crazy move. Listen, I would

lie to you if I was to say, I hadn't thought, you know, I, I, I've watched everything unfold in front of me, and I'm like, okay, where's this going to go? And, and I, and I have asked a couple of times,

did I ever think he's kind of fireburst Cassidy and hired John Tortorella?

“I did not, when I saw that, you know, that was, I was my wife and I were watching it, watching”

something on the television afternoon, waiting for my daughter to come home, and I looked at my

phone, and I said, I got to go to the office, first of all, but I'm like, holy, and then I,

you know, I got a couple of texts from people around the hockey world that I know and, and respect, and they said that team needs energy right now, they're going to get energy, and Eric Johnson had just tweeted something about Tortorella. He, he is passionate, but he's also compassionate. Like, they're, like, there's no gray area with him. You know, where you stand, but he's not a bad person. He's a good person, and lots of guys love it, lots of

guys swear by him. I call it, and Hanathan just would have had an experience with him with Team USA at the Olympics. Do you think they can salt to those two guys on it? Not now, but I know the way Kelly does his job, when they came back from four nations, and they came back from Olympics, Kelly would have asked them about all the coaches. Yeah, this thing's he's going to come in pompoms and not like he is. I don't think he's got enough time to come in and say, I'm going to

fucking whip these guys in his shape and Gary, I'll say this. Do you think if if you think of butch wins that game against Washington, where they went down three came back and then lost it, anything changes and does the Fatoric, Lou Lamarillo switch with eight games remaining. And then now I believe that you guys have eight games remaining. Does that it's fully or McCrimon superstitious? Like what's that about? No, no, and that's just the way the schedule fell. I think today was a

“day off. So if this was going to happen, it was going to happen today. So that's what I think is”

about the timing. They didn't win last night. They lost that game. No, I know. I'm saying they ended up losing it. They did that factor in the decision. I don't know. But I know that when Kelly left the ring class, he left knowing that his team had had just lost another game. Like at some point in time, like they got to write the ship and they got to start to win games. So they got Vancouver tomorrow night. And they lost one of the big this week and you know, like it's they're under

achieving right out. This is a good team that first that for too many stretches, too many pieces

of games, they're not playing good hockey. What else do we want to ask you about this team? Ask him about Marner. Didn't you say biz like a lot of the comments online? We're like, this is a nightmare for Marner. But we think it's going to be great for him. Because people don't realize

“Marner plays the right way. He blocks shots. He's a... Yeah, I know I never said that. I think that”

I'm interested to see what Marner's able to do in playoffs there. I would say that from watching every fucking leaves playoff game over the last, like whatever, like however long that run was. Yeah, he was like he made some great plays and played some good hockey against auto. I thought he was pretty solid against Florida, but like nothing like taking over, nothing like not like gender. And if anything like making like some mistakes he wouldn't make in regular season. So I'm

interested to see what he can provide. How do you feel like his adjustments there has been? He's got to finish with his career low in points, but I don't really care. I've kept more care to hear your opinion about his overall play. Yeah, I think he's been excellent. And you know he kills penalties. They've used them a lot, like you know, he played center a lot because of the way that he's in center. I've kind of shaken out and I don't know. I like to gold nights a lot better

with Mitch Marner than without he's an excellent player. It was good for Canada at the Olympics, was good for Canada at the four nations. So it's played in those played in more pressure moments

with Team Canada than he ever really got the opportunity to play with with the Leafs because they never

wouldn't get out of the first round very often when he was there. I don't think he can pin that on on one player and you know he leaves and they're going to miss the playoffs. And again, I don't think you can pin all that on one player, but I bet you if you know, if Craig Rubie was

What do you mean? How do I feel about losing Mitch Marner? What do you mean? He's an elite player.

So I'm very excited to watch him play in the postseason, but Vegas has got to get in first

that's job number one. They got he games to go here and they've got to they've got to write the ship there. It's been a nose dive and you know Kelly decided he wasn't going to stand there and and see if the plane crashed he was going to try and help pull it pull out of the nose dive. If you had to be negative about the group, what would you say that like maybe maybe some individuals you'd like to see more from? I wanted to ask about Anderson too and the early thoughts

there at a sick goal last night. Anderson was dynamite last night against Washington,

“best player on the ice for Vegas and I think that he adjustment is kind of been difficult for”

him and I think he almost kind of something clicked where he just said, I'm going to be the guy that traded for and is you know just started he's he's finding his game of late. I said this on the radio last night after the game in the post game. You know I still believe this team can turn it around and go deep like there's I like the trades they made at the deadline and they Kelly you know tried to help burst by bringing in a fourth line with identity. Nick doubt has been

tremendous. I talked to Jack. I call about him. Him and Cole Smith like Jack couldn't have been just said great players exactly what we needed great guys really fit in and they've been really they've been real good dust too which is you know part of the experience of how you get to know someone has a human being which I often think is important to what you are as a teammate they've treated us very well. That Rasmus Anderson goal last night was insane. I didn't see it this morning.

And he did his old school celebration where he stares in the glass at someone so that might be he's back. Oh yeah but go back to my question though who do you think has left a little bit more to be desired? You know I don't think he could I don't think the goal tenings been good enough and when we haven't finished from the back end and the forward we have an executed offensively has a group the way the way we can and that has to change. They've got to you know they've got

to be dangerous and they haven't you know so they'll be interesting. I would expect the Torraella you know will come in and you know he will breathe energy and life into them and I also think

“you might freeze them up a little bit. He's not going to change the systems. First of all I think”

he coaches his system is very similar to what what versus done. They got eight games. I don't expect there's going to be a big facelift. I think it's going to be energy. Gary this mentioned earlier you've been around the game for a long time a little bit of a spoiled fan base can't

really blame them based on what happened the first year they were in the league. Somebody told me

keep going. Sorry what did it mean? Yeah. It's fucking hot. No, but I asked what business was saying. Business was more saying that they seem to kind of get a little frustrated easily when they've had so much success maybe they take for granted how hard it is to win in this league. Do you see that where maybe guys get treated a little unfairly and a little bit of a slumper or do you think that's nonsense? It's nonsense. First of all the city of Las Vegas you're nonsense. The city of Las Vegas

was denied professional sport for ever. They couldn't have a team so like it's one thing to say oh we had a losing team and we're allowed to have a team. It wouldn't put a team here. So like that to me is way worse. Listen at what did you just do? I took my shirt off. I took my

“martyr jersey off. I think it was like sorry don't say it's nonsense. I'll go put it back on. It's not nonsense.”

It's nonsensical but it's not nonsense. All right it's going back on. Thank you Gary I love you. It was it was too easy guys. Yeah he's like a child. You're like the fishing line and you're here. Well I haven't heard I haven't heard I got a couple of texts. Hey Whitney says you're dodging him.

So I haven't heard that I haven't heard that but I did hear that you said I've never had the opportunity

to be around a team that it wasn't winning. You forget I was in Winnipeg. No no no no I didn't say that. I didn't say that. He didn't say that. There's no because I knew how long you were in Winnipeg. Oh my god. Oh my god. Do I have to be associated with that? I will cut it right there Gary. Thank you.

going to end up these two. I think we're going to get home ice and then we're going to battle again

except for it to round earlier than usual. Well I will see you guys. I'll see you guys in the conference final. All right Gary. Thank you so much. I'm going to read your comments and I'll just say this. I think Vegas is number one on my bandwagon last but I just need you to maybe ask Kelly and McFee and the rest of the boys if they would okay it if I was considering. We had your uh one of those guys names home by three. Oh yeah. Yeah. Smaller and Gucci. Those guys came to our game. They're still like

they're still up in Vegas. Oh yeah. Yeah but they're still running hard but we'll take anybody.

“We're like we are uh we're equal opportunity. If you want to join the fan base they've got to come.”

He can't just like do things from here on the conference final. I'll be there because TNT's covering it. And Gary G in the boys they'll see you next week at the Frozen Four. Yeah we're on the road that's so that's yeah yeah but I'm cheering for Wisconsin. Yeah good luck to your buddy son. Yep that's awesome. Thank you for making sure he gets good showdown. Okay it's a good good dude. See you guys. See you Gary. What a guy. What a what a surprise. What a pod it's been with these surprises.

What a guy. What a guy. Always brings to go. Hey he believes in Vegas.

What are you going to do? You can't you know you can't take credit away from him. He's right or die with VGK. He's he's like stop. They always find the positive. They always find the positive. Stop was finding the positive when we were 43 points out of the playoffs in December.

“But I like to see what they're you got a couple of six beers and I'm like he said about”

chief how they really feel sometimes you know or do you think they're always positive. Imagine his. Imagine all Cassidy's bills for Gary's drinks. Cassidy sends him a venmo request today. I got fired. I got all the reasons mortgage. Denver boys they're going to another frozen for David Carl is an absolute freak G. North Dakota plays Wisconsin in Vegas. I mentioned the the wild win Wisconsin had over Michigan State.

North Dakota took to easy care of Quinnipiac. Oh, just a beating just a beating. I mean, that team is built for playoff hockey. Bunch of Western leagueers mid west guys average height six one average weight 195. They're just a big fucking team. So they're scary heading into this Michigan just beat Minnesota Duluth Minnesota Duluth almost made it come back there. Was a little worried about Duluth back's plant. Look, awesome in that Albany regional.

Which was an absolute joke. Me and Merle were up there. It it was so embarrassing being in that arena. It was completely empty. It was a jitter empty. It was empty. It was a joke. They fixed the glass didn't they? Oh, they tried so Penn states up like buzzing early in that game. They're not up. But they're flying around early in that game in a glass broke 25 minute delay. Fans were freaking out. The Penn State players were pissed after the game. But yeah, it was it was awful in there. I mean,

you walk down Main Street in Albany. There's not a single sign. There wasn't anything promoting this. And then you go in the second game doesn't and it didn't end up starting till nine 15. So all the parents that were coming and talking to me and Merle's were like, yeah, we got to get our kid out of here. We can't stay for this game. I had four or five coaches texted me being like, guys that coaches that were in those games being like, this is fucking bullshit.

Those are charge of this decision. They're like kids. They're like these kids work.

They're whole fucking life. And some of these kids may never play a college hockey game or a competitive hockey game again.

And they got to end their career and end the game and fucking Albany. So where would be jammed on the on the now granted say, um, so Michigan's one seed. And they host it. Yoast this year. Say they lose the first game. It might be dead the second game. But at least give the opportunity for

“you're giving the fans an experience, right? Because then you have to go up in arbor. It's people like”

you're like, oh, wow, we're going to go to an arbor. Maybe we'll do a tour of the football team. It's it's a renowned college town. It's like, so it's honestly, it's crazy that they're this stupid. If they don't change it now after all the coaches are barking like they see any hockey media that covers NCAA hockey, it's just take a boat. Could you imagine late games in the season that matter getting home ice for regionals to have your home crowd? It would be all out fucking worse.

So you're amplifying the, like, the gravity of regular regular season hockey. It's just like, what are you playing for? It's like, what did the fuck do they even play for in the regular season?

Wisconsin underdog story. And a little unknown fact that not a lot of people know here is their strength coach is battling cancer right now. Uh, Yankee. So he they call him the the back owner of their team. He he's the guy that, you know, really gets the boys going. So the fact that they're making this run right now, this Cinderella run when when their strength coach has cancer, it's really just an awesome story. My case, things is really building something special there.

One of the best coaches in all NCAA hockey, just assaults of the earth guy. And yeah, Denver, Michigan, no shocker here. Four out of five of the last frozen four of Denver. 7 of the last 10. That is, uh, as much of a dynasty as they're could possibly date. So we have you just find a way. Oh, that's correct. Incron. Yes. Yes. So no deck Wisconsin. And then Michigan versus Denver.

“Yep. That's that's a pretty legit frozen four. I think the all four teams will have”

huge fan bases there. Oh, I think yes. Yeah, no deck in Wisconsin. They might drink Vegas out of beers. Like, that is going to be, it's going to be nuts. Avery, Sean Avery, when we when we went and did an interview with Avery in LA in November. He said to us, Wisconsin's goal in

the national championship. This team is unbelievable. I love this team. He had never watched

really much college hockey before. Just saw them. They're one game against Wisco. Shout it out. Quinn, family, shout it out. Luke Osborn, and they ended up playing great. So shout out the age there. Who score the two goals late against Michigan State? Was that you, Khan? That was Wisconsin. That was Wisconsin. So they gate, they, they, they fucked that game up, Michigan State. weren't they first all year? Yeah. They were, they were them or Michigan, where the favorites.

Trey Augustine is the best goal in college hockey. So that, and they had a tough loss to Cornell last season to get booted out of the tournament. So yeah, it was, it was very shocking to

“say the least. Yeah. And McKenna, probably, you, you said on the outline last game in college?”

Yeah, but what's weird is, like, boots across, like he knows shit, right? And there's a lot of times, like, he, he says shit, and, but he doesn't really break a story. Kind of like, biz does sometimes, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, did I just see it? Yeah, biz doesn't fish, though. I don't think. But when he ended the show, the college hockey showed the other, the selection show. He was like, yeah, I'd really like to see Gavin McKenna go back to Penn State. I think you'll go back,

which kind of made you be like, oh, wow, that would be, uh, that would be very interesting. I don't think he does personally. I think he gets drafted, like, a, to a shit organization, like Vancouver, and they say, hey, you're absolutely fucking coming here. You don't have the choice, but he can say no. I mean, I don't know, I was the guy who said Stella Breeni should go back to school, so I got malicious things. He should go to college this year. So you're all good, buddy.

Okay, I would say it's more of a coin flip in celebrini because Stella Breeni, like, the

“way that he skates. And he's, and he's, he's just a bigger, like, uh, yeah, he's a tank. Yeah,”

compared to McKenna's little, a little wiry. It's hard because if you said the first half of

the year, I've said, I would have said 100% he's going back to school, where that's, like, he might be the guy to step in the NHL, and the first 30 games are like, oh, he should have played college, and then fucking he adapts like he did this season. He was a different player after, uh, oh, yeah. Was it after Olympic break or what do they do? Yeah, after world news. He just came back, like a bad out of hell. And not to mention, if you struggle in Vancouver, the first 30 games,

like he's not going to watch the play with two, like those fan base, they're going to make your party pass away. The fans, the fans will put the fucking guy who heckle those mom on salary. The other thing, too, is like, I would imagine that if they could lure him back to school, I bet you he could make more money going to school than he would, and the first year of his entry-level deal, which is crazy. I don't know how he's already doing. He'd signed some huge,

well, I guess he already does have endorsements, and I really hook. Right hook. Right. He said. Oh, that's he should get ownership. Oh, he should be like, I'll come back, but I get ownership of Penn

State. Um, what do you finish second in the nation? Yeah, and like a lot of fans, like, oh, this was a

disaster. This didn't go as planned. Like, did we forget like Penn State didn't have a fucking college hockey program 15 years ago? They hosted 75,000 fans in an outdoor game. Like, the amount of eyes, it might not have worked out this year, but three, four years down the line, all the kids that were medicine hat fans that are now going to go be playing and, you know, making their college commitment, they're going to go to Penn State. They're going to follow and give them a

kind of footsteps because they saw how awesome it was for. And his linemate was hurt for the first half of the year. Who the fuck is saying that, man, they played a one-game elimination, and they had a 25 minute delay. I know, people are bitching that they went farther last year without them than this year with them. It's like, what the fuck? It's a, it's a one-game tournament. I know, it's a fucking deal. So one-game tournament. Yeah. It's crazy. In front of a hundred people. Um, all right. Well,

I'm looking forward to the frozen for the, the last thing I'll say about the, the, the

just like, oh, it's like hard to get, like, really fired up for the game when there's just

dressed like a seat night going on. But, um, I want to show it out, Aaron Frankill of the Boston Fleet. She hasn't allowed a goal in nine straight periods. She's seven shutouts this year. That's

“totally outrageous. Um, I think you're, you're wrapping up whatever the best not award is for the”

PWHL. I think Aaron Frankill has it wrapped up. Maybe we can get the name of that G if there is one. Was she the goalie for USA? I don't know. I feel like what's the record for the NHL? What's Bush's record? Bush's five names. Yeah. I think it was like, it's called gold tender of the year. Was Bush's like 12 periods or something? I think she was the goalie USA. Yeah. She was. Yeah.

And she said a record for most shutouts in tournament play with three. Yeah. And we'll call

her Richter. She looked like Mike Richter. She would nest the smaller. Aaron Frankill, what a legend. Biz said to be on this clip. The new replay for called balls and strikes in baseball is maybe one of the greatest rule changes I've ever seen in pro sports. If anyone missed the red socks in Cincinnati, Biz, how do we get out the tweet? Like, how do we maybe you could send people to your Twitter retweet it? But, for anyone who doesn't know, you can now challenge balls and

“strikes. I think we did talk about this. I think you have like two or three a game, but if you”

get it correct, you don't lose it. And all the player does, the batter, if he doesn't like the call, he taps his head. And it takes the best part. Yeah. Pinkies up to the top of the dome. The best part is it takes like two seconds. And it gets thrown on the jumbo screen, the jumbo tron in the ball diamond. And all of a sudden, you get this immediate reaction. It's unbelievable. So the red guy strikes out with the bases loaded. He taps the head. The thing comes on the jumbo tron ball. The crowd goes

bananas. The next batter. Same exact thing. We had 40,000 people chewed. It was basically as

loud as if a walk off home run was a hundred percent. And the fact that the umps have to eat this, they have to, they must eat this. They have to. I know you just agreed with me, Biz, but seeing that, they're just blatantly embarrassed. Yeah. But so the one that was shown, I think that in that game, he missed like seven, eight were challenged. And seven of them, he was wrong, the umpire. Now the two that I saw were that were back to back that would have struck him out when the,

I think the bases were also loaded. Bases were loaded two out and he was two and two. Like two balls, two strikes. So he, he obviously taps his head. They were about like an inch off of the plate. So I don't know man, as an um, like sometimes like that inch when it's going that fast. And sometimes these, these, uh, back catchers, they can like, uh, they move their glove. They frame it so well. So I don't know. I don't think they should be embarrassed, what they should be embarrassed is if,

I don't know if you guys saw the clip of the female ump, where there was literally a strike in the middle of the home plate. It was an, an inch off the direct middle of the home plate. And she called it a ball. Now I think we all have a good chuckle about that. If it's that bad and it's being shown sure. But if it's an inch off the plate and they're showing it, what I love about it though is in a game that could sometimes get a little bit sleepy before the pitch clock,

having now the pitch clock where it's speeding things up. And then you get something else as a home crowd to cheer about where it's like instant gratification. And now these things are being clipped and shared. Guys, we live in a fucking social media era. I think hockey needs to find a couple more of

“these quick pops. The worst thing about hockey right now is these fucking challenges.”

I'd rather have a fucking pan of glass break in all of a sudden. Like, well, they have girls fixing it. They have some professionals in the NHL doing it. I think if anything, they should put the people in the war room on the clock and they get 30 seconds to make the call. Or they let them pull the clip. Yeah, yeah, flip my yeah, make it into more gambling throw it on throw it other fucking patch on the jerseys for fuck six. Well, let's go, baby. Hey, some money.

Going back to the baseball thing, can the pitcher challenge? Like, say it was a ball and he thought it was a strike and he challenged it? Yes. And a pitcher today and a pitcher today I think, what was it? Was it called a ball? He reviewed it. And then it was called, oh no, what should I miss it? I should have saved the tweet. But I think a pitcher ended up getting kicked out of the game over, over, over a call. Or I think how nuts biz, like, a playoff game. If a guy

and he's safe. And he won't imagine how insane the crowd's going to go. Like, the three lobster Putin's deep couple beers like, we have our first ever ABS rage bait ejection. It was the twins ball to more in the ninth inning. It was the first pitcher challenge and it was a strike after being called the ball. I think the batter, oh, and the coach is getting booted. The coach is getting booted from the twins. Oh, there's going to be so many more ejections. Like, but it's said, though,

it's just adding content to the game. It's incredible. So that's where I think that the NHL needs

“to follow suit. And I know that we have a very traditional game, but you have to find a few other”

elements that don't even speed up the product, which my vote is, is less TV timeouts, speed the product up. That's like our pitch clock. And then one other thing where it's like, wow, we get fucking the three on three did that. I just shoot out, becomes a little bit slow and redundant. I think if you talk to the stars in order to create more clipable things, I think Bob had it down to like a two on two would be smart. Two minutes or two on two after the three on three over time. Something

make it faster, make it more scoring chances, make it something that doesn't last long. That's

easily clipable. Imagine getting to see these pairs go at it. Imagine you get McCarrin McKinnan

on Leon and Connor a couple times a year, maybe? Yeah. You get two minutes of that high octane roll the fucking clip on social media. I'd much rather see that than end it and it's like, oh, well, the PA won't okay it. Talk to the high end players and add that to it where these guys names pop up more and you're getting more clips based on maybe it doesn't need to be that. When it's something else, they go, it's a two on all, but the other team gets to pick the two

players. That would be unreal. Get in the advantage of a two on all on a golly, but it could be a couple of beats. And I know, I just talked about how traditional hockey is I don't think you could find an originally a more traditional sports baseball. They were so anti pitch clock. They were so anti using this ABS technology and it's over the last three years. I went from being like a all probably watch playoff baseball to I like, I'm watching these clips nonstop. I feel like an angel

recent fucking Caitlin Kirk or fucking fist fighting every game again. I'm just like dialed into these clips. Let's go. What is hockey's version of these clips going to be boys? I don't know. I don't know what to think. Yeah. Nothing's that quick is just like seeing if it was a ball or strike. That's a good. Let's get brain. Let's get brain storming on that. Yeah. Let's get brains. Let's get the fans in. It might be a shock value non-traditional change that people are like absolutely

not, but you've got to find the something that's going to be clipable and interesting about our game without throwing it off and actually improving it. Like this ABS has improved the game of baseball and it's made it more enjoyable to watch. You know what I mean trash can jerseys for a gaming year. Something that is not enjoyable to watch and it's actually insane that it happened

“again. Tiger Woods boys. I think Tiger Woods has some some real problems and it's not even funny,”

really. Like, oh, it's not. This guy is driving around mangled how many different car incidents has he had. Thank God he hasn't hurt anyone. He's lucky to be alive after the one that happened in LA a few years ago. I don't think he's ever, I mean, that was after he won the masters. He probably had more golf left, but it's like, who even cares about golf now? Like the guy's a serious problem flipped over his car in a neighborhood that Keith, I think it's like 20 miles an hour in that

neighborhood. It's not fast. In the middle of the day, we saw some of the craziest videos and takes after this happened that I've ever, I've ever seen. The number one. The ad rap before used to work at bar stool. I'm not trying to let, you know, we worked with the guy. He worked for bar stool for a little bit, but it was a little, it was a little insane. I gotta say that. I think he was crying, rigs on the other hand. He suppressed the video from being tweeted by bar stool and then he stood

“behind that decision. I think he actually gave a quote from a, from a Palm Cruise Jack Nicholson movie.”

You need me on that wall. You want me at that wall. Now, the problem being he's, he's protecting a, just a raging lunatic who drives around completely ruffled of several different times.

Biz, where do you stand on all this? So yeah, like it's not always things where you want to

pile on because you don't like to have fun on this podcast and joke around and all of a sudden we

stuff and like laugh and like send them to the group text because it's funny, but I, first of all,

I don't believe a guy of Tiger Woods is stature from a golf perspective and how he's a goat of his sport. I don't, it sucks to see him kind of being like laughed at online like that. Like it's and it's embarrassing. I feel bad for him. I'm sure he's embarrassed by it. You think he would have been maybe embarrassed by the prior incidents where he didn't do this. Another element to this, like he was just larger than life figure where, you know, because of his sport and his intensity

from it and his commitment to getting bigger, stronger, you know, faster with the club speed,

“you know, his body kind of got a little bit mangled along the way. And I think that based on maybe”

all these surgeries he's had, he might be even still in pain to where he's become dependent upon

what seems to be percussed. Like am I, am I, I think the, the, the, the guess because he didn't,

he blew us, you know, it's not, he's not, he's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's wouldn't happen. In this sense, in, in this, it may be the talksology report comes out and I'm way off base and like in fact, he didn't have anything in his system and whatever, but prior things have happened and I think it's been talked about that he's doing perks or some type of pain killer and so from my understanding from talking to people about it, and this is people who sometimes like,

you know, they've had surgeries before they've taken them. I've had surgeries before where I got them and I took them a few days and, and I rather have gone through the pain and threw them in the garbage because of the change and how weird you feel and like how you fork it is where you're kind of just marinate and it's, and it's a, and it's a fucking good feeling and I completely understand why these things are addicted. Not only based on the feeling, but I think there, there's like

it's proven that they've basically make them so you become relying upon them. So it's kind of gross

and sick and twisted in that regard, but once you take one, you know, you're feeling good, you feel like you can interact, you take a few, you could still kind of be there, but by the time because he's probably so in immune to him and he's probably pounding, ton of them,

“you're way higher than you actually are aware and maybe that's why you're feeling good. You”

think, oh, I could hop behind a wheel and just fucking hit it and cruise and just keep the wheel straight and that's kind of just from talking a few people why he might think that he's able to kind of do that. Well, you're driving in a 20 zone and next thing, you know, your fucking range roll, we're fucking ass over to you, cattle. In a 20, is he fucking alive? It might not be 20, but it's not like 40, I don't think it. And even if it is 35, 40, how do you roll your cargo in 35,

fucking 40, right? I mean, unless you're treated like fucking Ricky Bobby Talladega nights through the fucking over the speed bumps. He tried going around somebody and like all of a sudden he knicked the side of them and he's flipped. Keith, you said it though. What? Why is he? How is he not having a driver? That's where I was going with it, right? So like that's like, if you're going to do this and you're going to abuse this and you're doing it this long and you have that much money and you've

already had prior incidents is like, do you not have enough people that are your actual friends around you to be like, you'll fuck head, get a fucking driver. And if you've been through that experience before, it's like your your right hand people or whatever, but you know how much it would cost to put a driver on 24/7 to drive tiger around? Maybe 300 grand a year. Max, to be on

“call, it's a front way, which rapper poor would do it for 20 dollars a year. That's what I'm saying.”

So it's it's not an easy like, like, what's your opinion on it? It's kind of like, I guess you could say it's sad and one degree, but to have empathy and like want to like, you know, like protect this guy, it's kind of like tiger like, hey buddy, you're a grown man here, you're you're you're you're you're a fucking go to the golf world, you're a pretty smart guy. Let's just come here on out, you got the driver 24/7 and go get that maybe to help you need if you're pop in how many of

ever perks and I've had buddies who have been addicted to these things guys and it's brutal and it's too much. It's sad. It's horrible. And it doesn't, it doesn't matter who you are, either right, you see it with Tiger Woods, you see with other people like it doesn't matter who you are, you can get addicted to it. But like his body, like imagine an NFL guy's body compared to what his is like, like, I think his is up, I think, is it? He's had. He's got no reaction. I'm pretty sure

his leg, you haven't seen his legs since the LA because he wears a sleeve. It looks though, like, mangled. If you look at the leg sleeve he wears, like it just looks like, I think you really fucked that up. So I imagine the pain is is similar to a football players or anyone who's had their body beaten. But it's very sad. That is. I will say though, like I get all the sides of like

family was hit by him driving around? I'll fucked up. Like, yeah, there's a lot more than the

“laugh. We just, we just, you guys just had a buddy that happened to a few years ago that we”

talked about on the podcast all the time. So like, I know it was alcohol in a different situation. So it's kind of like, I don't think the attention should be towards like the empathy of it. I, although everything we just talked about, like, it's sad when people get addicted to this. And if he isn't that much pain, it's like, I just hope like he would be able to like find alternatives to where he wouldn't have to do this, because as we know, these perks ruin your body,

too. Like, they, they, they, they, not only are you hooked on them, but you're just, I don't think you're, you're, you're longevity and your, your internal organs are going to benefit from

fucking pop and how many ever are there of, of these pills a day. And as we know, the immunity

grows. So if you're pop and 15, 20 of these things in a day, it's, I don't, what's your, what's your shelf life from a human standpoint? And Keith, I, I, there's no, no, no chance that if rigs was in the car with him, rigs is like, I'll say I was driving. Like, there's like, there's, like, there's no way he wouldn't take that for me. Yeah. After seeing that video, which I, I, I admit, I laughed. I was just like, I did, I thought he might be like, yeah, I should have

done it. So it did crack me up that he just, he, he stuck to his guns. All right, I think he would eat not one for Tiger. I think he would have, I think we would have, like, if an NHL guy did that, we would have probably not, would we oppose to it? We didn't post the auto was senators in the Uber. And I think it was during bar still radio might have an after bar still radio and Dave was

“lifting out on us. Remember that, is? Yeah, I just, there's so much more to, I guess, to talk about”

the hockey, if this, if this was happening with the hockey player, I would have said the exact same thing though, like what we just talked about. Yeah. I think the biggest thing is everyone with how accessible it is to get an Uber or in his case, he has the money to get a driver. People don't feel bad for you. And yeah, exactly. And I don't give, I don't give a ship what anyone does if they drink all day, if they do like, it doesn't affect me, right? Like, if he was my friend, I'd probably

have a conversation with him. But if you're putting other people in danger, that's when people get pissed and they have the right to be pissed about it. No doubt. No doubt. But yeah, it's just crazy to see. Ben, uh, a tough go for that guy. And, and like anyone, I, I hope he gets, I hope he gets help and gets it figured out. Like I would for anyone. So yeah. Um, great episode boys. Thank you, everyone. Uh, for listening. Thank you to Lawless. What a guy. The thumb came back announced his presence with

authority. We got early to come on. Please everyone check out that sandbag. It was a blast to do. And those guys are great people. So check that out if you haven't. And our next episode is dropping Thursday. We're just a day earlier, both days this week. Uh, Keith and I are going to Cabot Citrus. Uh, there's 16 of us. We're playing there Wednesday afternoon, Thursday and Friday. I can't wait to, I can't wait to see it. Place a supposed deck. Um, so we're going to be together

“recording on Wednesday morning with where will you be busy and Scott still? Are you got TNT?”

Um, I got TNT this week. I believe I'm in Wednesday. And then I fly back here. And this will pretty much be my last weekend in, in, in Scottsdale for, for a little bit. Because after that, I, we're going to do a coast to coast together. Yeah, that's the 17th, right? 7th, right? 17th. But also,

I have a, a Monday night hawk as well. So after this, I'll basically be, uh, after this week,

and I'll be on the road and be doing a playoff mode at TNT in Atlanta. So I'm fired up like this is the, the, the time this season. And once again, I want to thank the Utah mammoth for, for having me in the Nashcast and in Tyson. Um, yeah, a lot of thank you's coming here yet. Um, the St. Louis blues and like Kelly Chase even asked me to come in for the puck cancer. Like obviously, I feel honored to even be as buddy and and go there. And I know you guys are slammed and you guys got your

families and stuff. But to go there on behalf of all of us to, to show love to a guy who's given back so much to the alumni and so much to his community and means a lot to the hockey to the community. And, you know, it's kind of paved the way for us young guys to know how to how to act and how to give back and and show us what it's like to be a hockey player, a true one. So he's in the fight for his life right now boys and it was just great to hug him and fuck he's still going man like he had us

on his podcast me and Tyson Nash. He's a fucking machine buddy. He's he he's going to beat this thing. And like I said, I just want to thank him and the St. Louis blues for having me and it was, it was a special weekend to see everyone like I was hanging out with up be a little bit like he's a fucking riot. Um, you know, we, we, I hang out with Bob your twos. Oh, you play with Bob. You know,

love tank up week for me, boys and getting some some quality time and some good people. So

“a lot of everyone Thursday were dropping again. And as with said, watch the fucking sandbag or I think”

it's being deemed the best one we've ever done. Thank you to Ernie and the thumb for coming on and

what a fucking pod this was. And Ryan Miller and Ryan Miller. So everyone have a great beginning of the week for swarming. Oh, I've been on the good, I've been getting, I've been on the good, I've been on the good, I've been on the good, I've been on the good, I've been on the good, I've been happy, I've been working, but it's taking time. I don't know if it don't let it's gone happen. It's going to happen again. [Music]

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