Short Stuff: Wisdom Teeth

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so this is short stuff. The, or Hertz edition. Did you have your wisdom teeth come in and did you have them removed? - I had them removed.

- Oh, okay. I had mine removed. Kind of at the, now that I'm reading this, sort of a standard time. I was probably 17 years old.

- Mm-hmm. - Oh, I'm so appreciative of the situation. - Yeah, that was my first experience with that. And I was like, oh wow. - Yeah.

- That was the gateway drug. - Yeah, I remember just kind of looking around, trying to play it off because it wasn't connecting in my head that they were the ones who were making me feel this way.

- Oh yeah, yeah. - Like it was in public or something. - Yeah, very strange. But yeah, we're talking about wisdom teeth,

aka the third molar, which sometimes start to pop in there.

By the way, I'm very turned off by how many times you type the word erupt in this thing. - You don't like that, huh?

“I think there were like five or six erupts.”

- Oh yeah. So yeah, it was not pleasant to read that over a number. But I will use it once just to honor you. - Okay. - They can erupt from the gums.

Well, they can start to come in as early as like five years old and as old as 15. But when they actually erupt, that's twice. That can usually come. That's usually like a later thing.

Like 17, maybe all the way up to mid 20s. - And that friends is why they call them wisdom teeth. That moniker hate that word, but it works. - Yeah. - It dates back to the Greeks.

I don't know if the Hellenic Greeks or the post-Bronchate Bronze Age Greeks who knows. But their word for wisdom teeth was O'Dontius Sophia's. And that is the teeth of wisdom is what that means. And the whole point is that these teeth come in much later

than your other teeth. You've got some experience in life by the time your wisdom teeth come in.

“And so that's why they call them wisdom teeth.”

- That's right. And if you're wondering why we even have these teeth that are many times removed to begin with, there's been a lot of debate in theories over the years. But it seems pretty clear to me

and I think most people basically agree

is that we needed them back then. When Tuktuk was out and had a bigger jaw to fit these things and was knowing on nuts and raw meat and stuff like that, not cooked food, in other words, not soft stuff. That they needed these things.

They had larger jaws, they had bigger teeth. And they needed them to chew and grind all this stuff down to palatable sized, swallowable stuff. And we just don't need that anymore. - No, because usually people place it

around the time of agriculture, you can make a case it's much later than that. But say within the last like several thousand years, the human diet changed dramatically. So much so that our skulls changed shape.

My question is this, Chuck. Didn't our skulls that skulls of modern humans changed shape much further back than just a few thousand years? - Oh, buddy, you know, I don't know the answer to that. - Okay, but I feel like, yeah,

I feel like it's definitely older than that the skulls are, but the people when you start researching wisdom teeth, they're like, yeah, the human diet got soft. So our teeth got kind of whisked and our skulls got shorter and smaller.

And hence, when we get wisdom teeth, there's just not enough room for 'em because we don't need 'em anymore, but stupid natural selection as it caught up yet,

that don't need it because we eat a devil ham. - Right. I mean, that makes sense to me, right? You're just saying the timeline doesn't match up. - Yeah, it makes sense for sure, it's the timeline, yeah.

- Okay, yeah, I don't question the timeline. That's your, that's your reverse mistake. - You know, what though, I was researching this, I found that there's apparently a creation of the argument, they used the wisdom teeth,

like as a vestigial thing, as an argument, for creation, it's because apparently a lot of people are like, well, it's clearly evolution, explain that creationists, and they're like, how about this?

You're supposed to have three mullers, but because of this modern human diet

that we all agree is making the third mullers superfluous,

“that's what did it, you're supposed to know,”

but it's the human intervention that kept us from being able to use it, and that's the problem. So I thought that was kind of fascinating, interesting. Take that podcaster, yeah, because they took the argument

that people who believe in natural selection use and turned it on them. - They flipped the script, that very well put. - All right, so we have four of these, not all of them, you're rough.

- What else are you gonna say, poke, more of it? - Present themselves. (laughs) - Okay, I'm coming out, party. - No, I don't know. - Present themselves.

- debutant ball. - Show up? - Yeah, show up.

In about eight of 10 people, usually one tooth will not come in,

and the teeth that don't come in are called impact to teeth,

“if you've ever heard like, oh, you have impacted wisdom teeth.”

That's what they're talking about. Sometimes they don't develop at all, and some people, that's called aginesis, but the impactionists sort of the start of the show here, because that is why you will generally have them removed,

either they're impacted or they're coming through and just crowding things and making life a problem for your other mullers. - Like, poor Lisa Simpson, when they showed that age progression of what she would look like if she didn't have

dental insurance. - Yeah, that's right, for braces. I say we take our break, and then come back and talk about wisdom teeth. All right, let's do it.

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search, learn the hard way, and listen for now. (upbeat music) - So the main reason why they're impacted to begin with is kind of what we've been talking about. There's just not enough space back there for some people.

And when they're developing that space is like,

And so those teeth can get really, you know, while impacted by the wisdom teeth, not being impacted. - Wow, that was great, man. - Thanks.

- Yeah, there's just not enough room because your other teeth have shown up, right? Another one, this is the thing that really kind of comes home to me. Your jaw might not actually be the size that it would be

if you ate harder foods. And in fact, I saw it recommended to make sure that your kids have a nice set of chomperses, they get older, like once they start eating solid foods, start giving them stuff that challenges their teeth.

- Yeah. - Because as you're chewing the more you chew, that promotes bone growth in your jaw and it can actually make your jaw a little longer so that if your jaw's just slightly longer,

you're going to have that room for the third molar

that you otherwise wouldn't. Well, again, we come back to the Western industrialized diet that is soft enough that the teeth aren't challenged quite as much, so the jaw doesn't grow quite as well to accommodate the third molar.

I think I might have just,

“I think I might have just been born again, I guess.”

- Did you square the timeline? - Yeah, and so you have room for the third molar after all. - That's right, but space isn't like every bit of this. It's not just about space. There is some stuff about it that science really has an explain

why they might become impacted because apes don't have impacted wisdom teeth, which I don't think we mentioned some of our primate friends have wisdom teeth still, which is great, good for them. - There's that natural selection thing.

- Yeah, exactly. The extraction has become a really common thing, like, I don't know about numbers, but I feel like most people these days, at least in the United States will have their wisdom teeth removed, but you don't have to.

It's not like you really need to talk to your dentist and eventual oral surgeon if it's really, really necessary because I don't know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but sometimes I get the feeling that they push this on people who don't necessarily need it

because that's their business. - After our orthodonture episode, my eyes were kind of opened a little bit too. - Yeah. - Supposedly, your dentist should essentially tell you,

let's take a wait and see your approach to this. You know, like get your teeth checked every six months and we'll keep an eye on it and if they start to come in, wonky will get rid of 'em. But wisdom teeth can come in, normal, healthy,

can actually help promote like further bone growth and stabilization and development to help your teeth stay in your head better. And in those, that case, you shouldn't remove your wisdom teeth.

“You shouldn't also, I think, prophylactically remove them,”

just in case they come in wonky, right? So that's supposedly the consensus, or that should be the consensus that you shouldn't take them out proactively. And this university of Saskatchewan,

evolutionary anthropologist Julia Bonner,

she's basically comparing getting your wisdom teeth

removed unnecessarily to what we used to do with kids getting their tonsils removed. - Oh, yeah, interesting. You know, a part of the problem with my teeth that are no longer a part of my body was bone loss.

So, I'm wondering if I would have benefited by leaving those wisdom teeth in there. - Probably, sure. I mean, it definitely helps you keep generating bone, but also, like I was saying earlier,

you have to also eat hard foods too. Nothing but like rock candy. - Yeah, I also don't remember my deal. I just remember, you need your wisdom teeth out. I don't remember if they were impacted or what the deal was.

I feel like I remember them coming erupting a little bit, but I also don't trust my memory of that.

“The only thing I remember is coming out of the anesthesia”

and hallucinating. Did I ever tell this story? - It sounds vaguely familiar, but you should definitely tell me.

- Yeah, I came out when I was 17 of my first

anesthetic experience and hallucinated a poster on the wall that said, "Lokamotive, lasagna." And then later on, obviously, it was a poster of whatever, like some sort of dental poster but my theory is that they were screwing with me

and switch out this weird poster for children coming off their first drug experience. - That's awesome. That would be a fun thing to do. I'll bet the cursing dentist does that.

- Yeah, and I don't know why. None of my bands that I've ever been in or look a model of lasagna. That was just right there. - Yeah, I think that's either a song name

- Okay.

- Well, that's not over then.

I can just write a song. - For sure. - Oh, I can't wait to hear that one. I already got a lyric.

“"Lokamotive, lasagna, what do you mean?"”

(laughs) - That's the first one. - How about this?

Let's write this together.

I'm burning top in. - Okay. - "Lokamotive, lasagna, what's going on?" - Right. - Oh, man.

Genius. - This thing just writes itself. - It really does. - We should say there's another reason

“besides the surgery being potentially unnecessary”

for why you should wait and see. Keep an eye on your wisdom teeth rather than having taken out. There's risks to having oral surgery. Like, you can damage nerves and tissue and your jaw bone.

Like sometimes, I know you mean. She said her oral surgeon was sweating. He was having so much trouble pulling hers out. She just got local anesthetic and she read it quite a bit. - Yeah.

- And the guy was working hard. So it can actually cause damage to get your wisdom teeth or move, which is why they say they're healthy and they're in, just lean them along. - Yeah.

And she should have known this is coming

because he had a baseball cap on that said never let him see a sweat.

And he just turned it around backwards when she got in the chair. - That's right.

“- Man, can you imagine having your dentist sweat on you?”

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