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(upbeat music) Hey, everybody, Chuck here on a Wednesday for an intro for a very special release, because yesterday we learned that music icon and country music legend and philanthropist,

and just all around amazing person,

Dolly Parton, passed away, a short battle with cancer. And a few years ago, in April of 2023, we recorded this episode. Why does everyone love Dolly Parton?

“And I think that title, Josh came up with that title,”

and it really hits it on the head. She was a beloved person that seems to have crossed different musical genres, of course, in political boundaries, and she was just one of those people that kind of everyone seemed to be united in agreement

that Dolly Parton is, and was an amazing human being. That's the kind of thing we detail in this episode, and we try to get to the heart of why she's so beloved, and I think for me, Dolly was just someone who seemed like her guiding principles were kindness,

and love, and joy, and that seems to be what led her to do just about everything in her career, and every decision she made, and people who she worked with, and non-profit she decided to get involved with, and her certainly her philanthropic efforts,

and everything that she gave to the world, it seems like she led with her heart first, and that's just kind of a rare trait these days. So Dolly was certainly a rare breed,

and just an amazing woman, somebody who,

“I think we can all agree, should be revered and looked up to,”

and the world is a little dimmer today, without her light shining. So here we are today, the day after she passed, releasing the special episode, hoping everyone can give it a listen, as we pay tribute to The Great Dolly Barton,

with our episode from 2023, why does everyone love Dolly Barton? - Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of "I Heart Radio." - Hey and welcome to the podcast.

I'm Josh and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, and today we're gonna make some joyful noise together, here on Stuff You Should Know. - It's right, I just poured myself a cup of ambition. - Uh-huh, I had a few of those this morning.

- Before we dive into Dolly Barton land, we should talk about our tour really quick, 'cause we're looking to sell some more tickets, specifically, well, everywhere, but specifically DC and Toronto, right?

- Yeah, for the whole, the whole Chibang, we're gonna be in DC Boston and then Toronto, May 4th, 5th and 6th, right? That's right, and there are plenty of great seats available. This is a really good show.

I think one of the best ones we've done in a long time, and if you're in the Northeast, like this is it, we're not doing New York this year. - Very sorry New York, but if you live in Northeast, this is your chance 'cause we're doing the southeast

- I think that's a great angle for this marketing campaign here, Chuck. - Yeah, Northeast or Bust. - Okay, so that's enough about us, everybody. We're here to really talk about Dolly.

- Yeah, so Olivia helped us with this one, and we've remarked about how Olivia is getting great at tidling the articles, even though she doesn't even have to. - Right.

- She does it because she's creative and talented. And her title for this is, "Why does everyone love Dolly Barton?" And we're gonna explain that,

“but I think the easiest thing to say is,”

since the 1970s, this is a woman who is basically just put goodness into the world at every turn. - Yeah, for sure. I was reading an interview with her in Rolling Stone from 1980, like nine to five, it just came out.

And you might as well have told me it was from 2023. - Yeah. - She's been the same way this whole time. - It's great. - She doesn't like get into any political stuff.

She said I'm not political. I won't talk about politics. She leaves hot butt and issues alone, but if it means something to her, it's really meaningful, she'll come out on in favor of it

endorsing it, but she doesn't put anything down. She might support something, but she's not gonna put anything down publicly. - Yeah. So the other kind of funny thing about this one

from Libya is she always includes her sources.

And she may have broken her own source record. (laughs) - Yeah, there's a lot. - Oh boy, there were probably 100 sources, but we did want to mention one in particular,

because I listened to this from Chad Abonrad. The great Chad Abonrad, the radio lab fam, like four years ago, put out the wonderful series, Dolly Parton's America. - Yeah.

- And Libya benged it, and I listened to it back then, and back then I was like, oh man, I wanna do an episode on Dolly Parton, but Chad did it, like he covered it so well, like what's the point kind of thing?

- Right. - But now four years on, I was like,

“well, we can give it this stuff, you should know treatment,”

which is to say, not as deep a dive, but it's a great series if you want to learn more about Dolly Parton, then check out Dolly Parton's America. - Very nice. And then just to button up Chuck,

we were trying to answer that question, why does everybody love Dolly? - I came up with another hypothesis too. - Okay. - And it's that, you know, when somebody is like,

they can be anything anybody wants them to be, like they're interpretable from all different angles, so everyone just assumes they're like them. Dolly is not like that. She is her own person who can't be pigeonholed

into one box or another, right? But she's likable from all sides. - Yeah, like find someone that's gonna talk smack about Dolly Parton. And then you and I have a discussion

in the parking lot with that guy. - It's a sad state of affairs though, do because there's think pieces all over the internet

about how it's just amazing

that everybody doesn't hate Dolly Parton. And it's like, good, God. Like this is what we've come to, like everybody hates everybody casually, so I mean, how does she escape it so long?

And it's just like such a sad state of affairs that that's normalized by even writing pieces like that, but they're out there for sure. But the upside of it is people are amazed that people don't hate Dolly Parton.

And it's true, people don't hate Dolly Parton. - Yeah, and she's someone that is so,

“I think, you know, universally beloved and internationally”

beloved that as you'll see later in this episode, she's been studied by anthropologists and sociologists, which is pretty amazing. And so let's start at the beginning, shall we? - Wait, hold on, one more thing.

Yeah, more praise. The other thing about her I think that's so amazing and so remarkable is that she, this is the reason why everybody's just so fascinated with her right now.

She's maybe the one person who is struggling both sides of the political and social divide. - Yes. - Why does it is in the United States today? And it's not like hanging on by her fingernails. She's like, I got a foot here

and I'm not lying about it. Got a foot here, I'm not lying about that either. I'm not trying to fool either side. This is what I'm into and I like both of you basically. - It's almost like being a genuine human

who 100% stays true to who they are is something we should all aspire to. - Sure, but it also shows she shows that that's such a rarity in this world, that you can be globally beloved by just doing that.

And also making like a ton of really great music too. - Well, yeah, I mean, come on. We're gonna talk about all this stuff, but can we go back to the beginning now? - Yeah, yeah, sorry.

- Okay.

- Hey, never apologize about singing

the praises of Dolly Parton. That's a great role of stuff you should know motto.

because you've been and I have not.

“- All right, so she was born Dolly Rebecca Parton”

in 1946 in January 19th of 1946 in rural Tennessee. How do you pronounce that? Is it Sevier County? - I think it's Sevier. - Oh, it's just Sevier.

- I'm almost positive, it's Sevier. - Okay, S-E-V-I-E-R. And see, immediately, this is, I'm sure, jads episode pronounced it perfectly. I don't know about that.

- I don't remember. - Through his face and do his palm like these guys. But she was born to a big family of 12 kids and it's kind of fun to look up photos of Dolly and Aller siblings because, you know,

a few of her sisters look a lot like her. All her brothers look like, you know,

they should be like shooting pool down at the pool hall.

- Yeah, you know, all varied, just sort of genuine article, Smokey Mountain, Tennessee, foot hills people. - Yeah, for sure. And there are 12 of them, did you say? - 12是不是, including her.

- And she was the fourth.

“- Yeah, the fourth of 12 and all 14 people in her family”

lived in a two room cabin. - Poof. - And I've seen a replica of this cabin and it is no joke, a two room cabin and 14 people lived in it in the Smokey Mountains.

- Maybe two bedrooms with an office, right? - Alright, I'm just too bruised. - I'm just too bruised. - My friend, with the outhouse, no running water, no electricity, like she grew up as Smokey Mountain,

as a Smokey Mountain person can grow up, like even people in other parts of Tennessee are like, wow. - Yeah. - But she says she had a great childhood running around just being outside and because she was the fourth of 12,

she wasn't particularly like paid attention to. So she could just kind of go off and do her own thing. - Yeah, I get the idea that they were semi-feral sort of mountain kids. Her granddad was a Pentecostal minister,

very fiery and brim-stoney. And she still mentions God a lot. I get the sense that she's a little less overtly religious but spirituality still very much of a mainstay in her life.

“- Yeah, I think it's more of a personal relationship”

between her and God. - Yeah, which is not supposed to be. - So she really looked out because she had an uncle named Bill Owens, who was a musician, a songwriter, who noticed that she wanted to get into music

from a very young age. And was maybe the only person in her entire life or her early life that noticed and then nurtured it. And she later said when he died a few years back at his funeral, like she wouldn't be here today

if it wasn't him, like she owed him everything because he nurtured it in her, he encouraged her, he supported her when she got rejected. And he helped her break into the business. So Bill Owens was a huge influence in her life.

But he noticed, like I said from a very early age, I think she wrote her first song when she was five. - Yeah, little tiny tassel top about her homemade corn husk doll. And she would pretend she would get a tobacco stick

in a tin can and act like it was her microphone and Mike stand and she would sing for the chickens in her yard. And had obviously a real talent from the beginning. If you listened to her very first recording,

puppy love from 1959, it sounds like, you know, 13-year-old Dolly Parton, you know, you can hear Dolly in that young voice. And like I said, she was 13 and that was the same year that she made her very first appearance

at the Grandal Opera, introduced by none other than Johnny Cash. - Yeah, who was her first big crush.

So it was even more amazing for unbelievable.

- Her family didn't get to see it though, because Dolly Parton was on TV before her family had a TV at home, which is pretty cool. Is it on TV back then? - I believe that was a TV appearance.

- Yes. - And if that one wasn't the first, whenever it was she was on TV first, her family still didn't have a TV back then. So thanks to Uncle Billy taking her around

and banging on Doors, she ended up making her debut on Mercury Records in 1962, which is nothing to sneeze at. But I get the impression that it wasn't like it wasn't like, like, okay, this is a serious recording contract.

It's like, right, let's test this girl out. Back then, they called any woman in country music a girl singer, right. So she was a bit of a novelty, not just because of her age, but because she was a woman as well.

But she had her site set on becoming a country music star and so the day after she graduated high school. The day after she graduated high school, she got on a bus for Nashville and move there. - Yeah, amazing.

In 1964, and very soon after she moved there, she met a man that would become her husband and a mainstay in her life to this day

His name is Carl Dean. They met very famously at a laundromat when she was 18 and he was 21. Mary, to a couple of years later,

“and I think a lot of people that don't know a lot about”

Dolly Parton think she might be single or something

because she never had kids.

But she's been married to Carl Dean since 1966. And he just, he didn't want to be in the limelight. He never did, he's her biggest fan and supporter. She's always said, you know, off the stage. But he just doesn't want any part of the limelight.

And it's hard to even find a lot of pictures of this guy. There's a handful out there. But he started an asphalt laying business in the late 70s still runs at business today. - Oh, really?

- Which is just amazing. And I read article from a couple of years ago. She was like, you know, Carl and I, we like to run errand. She said, we go to the 24 hour stores,

you know, in the middle of the night, like Walmart and places. And she said, and there are fewer people there to come up to me. And she said, not on mine that I love people. She said, I just don't want it to get in the way of our shopping.

- Right. - And, you know, Carl's not wild about it. So they just live a very simple kind of pure life together. I think outside the limelight. - Yeah, I've read an interview with her somewhere.

And she said that in her opinion, if she's out on public, that time belongs to her fans. So she's not, she doesn't have a problem with people coming up to her asking for autographs. She knows that she's out on public.

And that's a risk that she runs, right? - Sure. - But her leisure time, her time away is like, secluded off with Carl, just the two of them usually. Maybe she has a very close best friend.

I can't remember her name. They go everywhere together. So she's almost like a stand-in for Carl when dolly's traveling around.

- Yeah, and she's always been very,

her persona is very flirty. And she's always sort of flirted around with, in fact, no friends that have worked on commercial shoots with her. And they were like, man, she's the biggest flirt you would ever know.

And that's just her personality. And she said that Carl understands that. And that's just how she sort of has fun and relates to people. And it's always very innocent. And I just think it's kind of cute and fun.

- Yeah, for sure. - I want her to flirt with me, you know? I think it's what I'm saying. - This episode might be your big break Chuck. - Yeah.

- So, would you just like turn bright red and like dig your the toe of your foot into the-- - I kind of am a little bright red.

“I thought it was the stuff you should no sign in here”

casting a red beam on my face. - No, it's you thinking about being flirted with by Dolly Park. - I know. Well, dude, I grew up as you did,

but I'm a little bit older. Like the hey day of early Dolly was when I was a kid. And of course my dad was in love with her. And, you know, it was just she was one of the biggest stars in the world and my parents were kind of in the country music.

So she was just sort of prevalent in our households somehow. - Yeah, my introduction to her was through nine to five. And my mom, that whole message and the idea behind it was right up my mom's alley. So she would watch it with her hands clasped together

and decide to ever face like that. - Just an editor, iteration of everybody, including Dolly Park and two.

I think my family was never really in the country music.

So I think that that was like a big introduction and probably a win over for my family was nine to five. - All right, well, we'll talk about nine to five and crossover success more and it's a good set up about how about we take a break?

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(upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Okay, so we're talking about dolly becoming a star. Like she's had a couple of record contracts, nothing serious though. But then in 1965, she signed with Monument Records.

That was her big, her first big record contract I read.

But they wanted her to be a pop singer, which is kind of ironic because she actually would kind of become a pop singer later on in her career, but at first, she was like, no way. Like, have you seen my house

and do you know how many people are in my family? I'm not a pop singer, I'm a country singer, right? So she persisted and hung in there and they ended up like folding and giving in. And she went on to become a full-fledged country singer.

- Yeah, in 1967, her first record, "Hello, I'm Dolly," which is just great how they used to do records like that. - Mm-hmm.

“- Yeah, I think that when you like introduce her to the world.”

But, you know, as would become a thing like in her career, most of the songs that she's well known for, most of the songs she's recorded, she's a plenty of covers 'cause everyone does that, especially in country music.

- Mm-hmm. - But she is most well known as a songwriter. And we'll get into that more in a little bit, but she wrote two. Now, Olivia has a number 24,

but I saw that there were both top 20 in the country charts, a dumb blind, which is written by a guy named Curly Putman, great name, and something fishy written by Dolly. And I think that album itself was a top 20 hit, her debut, right all crazy, you know, in the country charts,

right off out of the gate. - Yes. I was looking up something fishy and it's about a woman who's become convinced that her husband's fishing trips are actually fishing trips

and then he's running around on her. So one of the lines is, I guess some large mouth bass left that lipstick on your shirt. I don't think you're a fisherman, honey. I think you're a flirt.

(laughing) That's like perfect debut dolly.

“Like what age, like 19, I think is how old you are.”

- Yes, yes. - That's pretty great. - In Puerto Ragnar, someone that we talked about on our Grand El Apricio, and he had the Puerto Ragnar show, he hired young dolly to replace his other young woman

sidekick singer, and basically she elevated the show

to the point where it was a number one, the number one syndicated show in the country radio show. - Right. - And they started doing duets together and albums together, including their first one

just between you and me in 1968. - Yeah, and they started touring a lot too. And she learned a tremendous amount about touring, performing live, the music business, everything she needed to learn early on,

came from touring with Puerto Ragnar. But he was also really well aware that he had like a real cash register on his hands. - Yeah. - And he kept her under his thumb as much as he could,

both emotionally blackmailing her, I get the impression. But also locking her into just really exploitive contracts because she might not have known what she was signing. She probably did and just figured like, okay, at least it's gonna help me get to where I'm going.

That's the likely explanation if you ask me. But he was definitely in charge for the first many years of her serious career. - Yeah, but because she's dolly part and so beloved, when they eventually broke up their relationship,

I think it was kind of rough.

And she ended up writing a song I will always love you

about that relationship. And ultimately, they worked it out and she reconciled and was at his deathbed with his family.

kind of situations. - Oh, really, I read that his last dying words were,

"I'll never forgive you."

(laughing)

“That's what I'm gonna say on my deathbed.”

- No, I'm just gonna like wave my finger around the room to everybody's standing there. - And we're all gonna be like, "See, talking about me?" - Exactly.

You guys can spend the rest of your lives figuring it out. - And you may be able to just look at me and say he's talking about you. (laughing) - Totally.

- So they, while they were a duet. - Oh wait, check, wait, wait, hold on one more thing. You brought up, I will always love you, whichever anybody knows, one of probably your most, one of your most famous songs.

Arguably, her other most famous song, Joeline. - Yeah, great song. - She apparently wrote those songs on the same day. Start to finish. Isn't that amazing?

- Yeah, I mean, she now says like, you know, if it wasn't the same day, it was in the, within a couple of days of each other, but either way, it's remarkable. - Yeah, and it's possible it was the same day.

She just doesn't remember. - Yeah. - Is that really kind of goes to show what kind of, she was drinking cups of ambition left and right-apparent because not only is that story potentially true, she also put out 25 albums.

- Yeah. - Both duets with Porter Wagner and then some solo albums in the five-year period between 1968 and 1973. - Yeah, I mean, that's remarkable. She started, and that's kind of where I was headed anyway.

She kind of started recording her own solo stuff as she was, you know, it was kind of obvious. She just had, she was too prolific of a songwriter. I mean, she supposedly, her quote is that she's written more than 3,000 songs and three of them are good.

She's also humble. Another reason people love Daly Barton, but she had too much to say early on. And so, started making solo records while she was still with Wagner.

And it was in that time period,

“I think in the early 70s is when, you know,”

those iconic songs, Jolene, and I will always love you came out.

- Right, but still under the two-de-lage of Porter Wagner, right? - Yeah, I mean, those are solo albums. And I think I will always love you. It was about them splitting apart. So it was sort of right there at the end, I think.

- It definitely was, and I heard a story years back that he said, "Okay, I'll let you out of your contract. "If you let me produce this amazing song, "and she'll be back on it." - Yeah, I will always love you, right?

And then apparently, he turned around and sued her anyway for breach of contract. But she got out of it. She got out of this terrible contract, this exploitive contract.

She got out from under a very domineering mentor. And this is a really big time of transition for her, because not only did she get away from Porter Wagner, which was enormous, because in the sense, she was like a pinball that had just been plunged,

which she was released from Porter Wagner, just looking for the next bumper to just shoot her off in another direction. That's my analogy, buddy. - Yeah.

- And that's exactly what happened, but she also had to break up with her family ban. Like, they were her original backing ban. And she and you like, I gotta get better musicians, you guys. And she made some really hard decisions,

but they ended up paying off. And from what I understand, there were no lasting hard feelings from it. - Yeah, that's pretty great. She hosted a TV show for one season, just like us.

It was called "Dolly." You mean, back then he had all those great variety shows. This was 76 in the 77.

“And then the very important man comes into her life”

by the name of Sandy Gallin, who was a Uber manager. Got the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, with later managed Michael Jackson and Barbara Streisand and Cher.

And Sandy Gallin was a pretty instrumental person for a couple of reasons. One is kind of encouraging the crossover success.

Like he booked it at the bottom line

and the Grinnwich Village who, you know, everyone from Springsteen to Lou Reed were playing there. Like Andy Warhol came and watched her show. There's an awesome picture of them sitting together. - Yeah, talking about crossover.

- Yeah, exactly. And she was nervous. I saw that she was nervous on the way to being scared. - I'm not sure. - Yeah.

He had her tour Europe exposed her internationally. He took her to studio 54, which is probably where she also hung out with Andy Warhol. But the other big reason is that Sandy Gallin was gay. He died like five years ago.

And this was a very instrumental relationship and I get the impression, you know, Dali's very famous for being sort of an icon in the LGBTQ community. - Yeah, from very early on.

- Yeah, and it seems like this is kind of where it all started was having this relationship with Sandy and, you know, just the gay community wrapping their arms

because, you know, she had a gay manager. But, you know, I don't think it hurt. - Right.

“And the New York Times wrote that she got a warm welcome”

in San Francisco from France gender fans and, quote, "other exotic urban cult audiences."

- Well, Dali's always said, you know,

she's one of those love his love types and, you know, it's just like, it's the way to live life. Like, she doesn't judge people and she never has and she's always just embraced

like whatever community wants to love her music, like why would she, and never get it when people, like intentionally sort of turn audiences off. - Right.

- You know? - Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. But also, like, it's, that's so true and it's so prevalent when you read about her or watch interviews with her,

just listen to her talk. You're almost like, "What's your angle, Dali?" (laughing) What do you really up to here? Her big crossover hit was, here you come again,

which was considered a pop song.

I mean, I've always kind of thought

it was a country song, I guess, 'cause her voice is in it and she insisted on steel guitar,

“so it still had a little country to do it.”

- But it's like, it's a perfect crossover. Like, it's exactly perfectly balanced. Like, there couldn't have been a better song to transition from full-on country singer to country pop singer.

Yeah, and it went number one on the country chart, number three on the pop charts, album went platinum and this is, you know, the late '70s when she really, really, really blew up. - Yeah, that was that.

She just took off like a rocket from there. One of the things that she did very wisely in the late '70s, early '80s, right around this time was just hop on the TV circuit. - Yeah.

- She's been on at least a few hundred TV appearances, but a lot of them took place in the '70s and '80s when she was just making herself known, making herself a household name. And none of this was by accident.

Like, she's wanted to be in a mega star since she was a kid. And this was part of, she apparently makes a lot of lists. And they turned out to kind of be five-year plans and I'm sure getting on the talk show circuit

was part of one of those lists. - And that explains why as a kid growing up in the '70s, I saw a lot of Dolly Barton. - Exactly. - She was everywhere.

- Dolly wanted you to see a lot of Dolly Barton. - And the '80s is when she continued some of her collaborations with other artists very famously with Kenny Rogers, with Islands in the stream, huge massive hit.

- Have a heard it. - And then 1987, my favorite collaboration at least came out and maybe my favorite Dolly stuff period was the album trio, yeah, that she recorded with Linda Ronstatt Emilie Harris, just three of the best voices

in the history of music coming together to sing together. They ended up making three albums over the years together. So if you haven't listened to any of this stuff, highly recommend trio from 1987. - She also released some bluegrass albums

in the late '90s. The grass is blue, little sparrow, halos, and horns. And then she released her first Christmas album in 30 years back in 2020, a holly dolly Christmas, which is pretty good, it's cute.

“But I think the best Christmas album she released”

was once upon a Christmas in 1984. There's a lot of Kenny Rogers on it. - I made a joke this last Christmas on Instagram. - It takes it like, probably 50% of Dolly Barton's Christmas songs are about sex.

- It's true. - Well, there's like sexual overtones. - Just kidding, frankly. - Yeah, it's good stuff. But that 1984 album has hard candy Christmas on it,

which is, maybe your best, her best to one, if you ask me. - Great song. All right, so now let's talk a little bit more about her songwriting. I think that's the thing that she's sort of most proud of.

She said in a 2020 book, if I had to choose just one thing to be, I would choose to be a songwriter.

She's always said that she loves writing

from the male point of view. She loves writing songs from in, 'cause a lot of her songs are sort of narrative story type songs. And she's written a lot of big huge hits for people like "Mural Haggard" and Kenny Rogers,

and Hank Williams Jr., and all kinds of dudes. - Right, she also plays a bunch of instruments. The guitar she says is a strongest. And there's a lot of other string instruments that she can play.

That's a video of one of her concerts. She's got a band-ghost lung around her. - Yeah. - Like, she's got a strap hanging from a strap off. She's playing a fiddle really fast.

It's pretty amazing. But if you really want to be amazed by dolly,

And in particular, at the Glastonbury Music Festival in 2014

in the UK, in front of a crowd of 100,000 sheep... - To get out. - To get out. - Yackety sax, the Benny Hill theme song. - And it just... - Yeah. - Hilled. - And that whole show is a fun watch

because it's, you know, it's at the Glastonbury Festival.

“And it's like, I don't know, I think your legendary status”

just like grew with that appearance. - Oh yeah, she was kind of a cult favorite in the UK. And then she became like a pop culture favorite after that show. - Yeah.

Nine to five, the movie that you mentioned before, in 1980, so when she got into movie making, and it is a movie, boy, not only does it hold up today, but it was ahead of its time and even more relevant today than it probably was then.

- Which is sad, if you stop and think about it? - No, no, totally sad. - But it was based on an actual movement called nine to five, the nine to five movement from the early '70s, that I guess Jane Fonda was aware of,

because she was one of the creators behind the movie nine to five. And that was an actual, like, movement led by Secretary starting in Boston, and it spread around the country. And they were protesting sexual harassment, low pay, getting passed over promotions,

and they had a great slogan that I saw. Raises not roses. - Raises not roses, yeah. I love that. - I love it too.

- I don't need your flowers. - I don't need your flowers. - That's a money. - Exactly. - I'll buy my own flowers.

- Right. - I can buy my own flowers.

“- Yeah, that's what the back of the t-shirt said.”

And then parentheses quit, pinching my butt. Plus also, that's a Miley Cyrus song. Who is Dolly Parton's goddaughter? - That's right. And Dolly credits that relationship

with the fact that millennials love Dolly. - Yeah, I wasn't aware of this, so everybody knows, even I know, that Miley Cyrus was Hannah Montana on Nickelodeon from, I think, 2006 to 2011, right?

And she would have Dolly on, here there is Aunt Dolly, like her aunt, Hannah Montana's aunt, and I guess, like millennials just grew up watching that. And that, she just exposed herself, not literally,

but figuratively, to an entirely new generation. And it's stuck, like that's how they met Dolly and they just kept following her and loving her from that point on. - I love it.

She was in a bunch of movies over the years. Best little whorehouse in Texas with Bert Reynolds, of course. Part of the ensemble in steel magnolia's. Very disappointingly, Olivia doesn't mention

my favorite Dolly, second favorite Dolly part in movie,

which was Ryan Stone with Sylvester Stallone. One of my big HBO movies early on, I watched the thing over and over again. Stallone sings, have you ever seen it? - No, I never have.

I turned the TV off after life force. - You should check out Ryan Stone because she, you know, the premise is she's to make a country star out of Sylvester Stallone. And he has a song in there called Drinkin' Stein,

instead of Frankenstein. And the chorus is Bud Weiser, you've created a monster and they call him Drinkin' Stein. - Wow. - But still, I don't really think it's just,

I think it's probably as a bad movie, but it has a very special place in my heart. - It sounds like they're pre-quoted Tulsa King. (laughs) So she also, did you mention Sandallar yet?

- No. - She founded a production company with Sandy Gallen, her longtime manager and friend. And they went on to produce movies like Father of the Bride.

- Yeah. - Buffie of the Vampire Slayer of the movie? - Yeah. - She also did a straight talk, which she was in, where she plays a woman who accidentally

becomes a radio host, and of course, just shoots into the stratosphere and popularity. - I never saw that. - Oh, yeah, it was okay. (laughs)

- Not her best work, but still.

She was amazing in steel magnolia.

I mean, like, if you go back and, yeah, if you go back and watch some of those scenes between her and her husband in particular, it's like, she's a really good actress. - No, she's good.

But the Shelby I just did was more Sally Field. Not that I think about it. - I detected a Hannah Sally Field in there.

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- All right, my friend, here we are. I'll set it up with how it starts, and then you can just take over, because you've actually been there. But in an interview in 1982 with Barbara Walters,

Dolly parton said something about being interested in opening up at the theme park, back home. - Yeah. - And there was a theme park, Silver Dollar City, and Pigeon Forged Tennessee,

and the owners, Jack and Pete Hershend, heard this interview, gave her a call, and was like, "Let's get together on this," and they did to great success. - Yeah, four years later, Dollywood opened,

it reopened as Dollywood, I should say. Just that first year, they doubled their entries

to 1.3 million people coming.

- Yeah. - And that's not just a full year, like it's nose and everything kind of shuts down in the winter time and in Pigeon Forged, and the smokey, so I'm guessing they crammed a lot

of those people in in a very short amount of time, probably summer. I don't know why I'm going off on this tangent, but it just seemed to be one of my main parks. Work, they close in the winter.

- Be quiet, too. So it was a success right out of the gate, I should say, and a little known fact, or it's a rumor that a lot of people don't realize as actual fact, they've buried a time capsule there on opening day,

and it contains an unreleased Dolly song. - No way.

“- That is not to be open until I think she's 99 years old.”

- Wow, which is, what is she now, 76? - 78, I think. - Okay, so it's close, yeah, we can wait. - She sees it, yeah. - Oh, well wait.

So tell me about Dollywood, I wanna know more. - So it is a, you can definitely believe that it used to be a silver dollar city. They preserved a lot of stuff, there's a coal-fired train that kind of takes you around on some neat vistas

and everything, we went around Christmas time, which kind of undermines my argument about shutting down in the winter. We went for Yumi's birthday, actually, like one year. And there was like a Christmas show

where there was like singing and dancing, but it was so corny that I was waiting for everybody to be like, you know, we're just joking.

Here's the real show, it never happened.

It was just that kitschy and American and Ernest, yeah, and just corny, but it was very sweet in retrospect, especially, hard to sit through, but very sweet. And then there's just a lot of people dipping candles,

there's tons of food to eat. There's a roller coaster that neither

that's closed temporarily,

“'cause apparently they're reimagining it,”

but it was originally called the Chasing Rainbow Museum. And Dolly Parton is just a self-professed packrat. She saved everything, Chuck, everything, the coat of many colors that she sings about. It's there, you can see it in real life right there,

and it's the tiniest, cutest little thing you've ever seen in your entire life. It's so tiny, and it's the coat of her mom made for her when she was a kid, right out of old rags. That she sang about in that coat of many colors.

And it's what a great song, but then just to, just to love that song and then see the actual coat

and then just see how dinky it is, it was just amazing.

Those lists I told you she used to keep, she kept those, those around display, wigs, rhinestones everywhere, but it's not just like this odor tribute to Dolly, it's a genuine curated look into her whole career.

And it was one of the best museums I've ever been to in my life of any kind. - Why didn't you guys ride the roller coaster? - We're both scared of roller coasters. - Oh, I don't think I remembered that.

- Yes, I've been scared of roller coasters for decades, but I feel like I'm starting to come out of it. - Okay. - And I might go challenge myself and ride a few roller coasters this summer

and see if I'm correct or if I'm really, really wrong.

“- Well, you should go to six flags with Ruby and I”

because there's nothing like getting your courage worked up then a seven year old who will ride anything. - Okay, staring you in the face. - Okay, all right, I may use that. That's just the elixir I'm looking for.

- Yeah, yeah, she'll go on whatever. She's just like, she wouldn't understand. She'd be like, why don't you want to go on it? What do you mean you're scared? - All right, I don't, you're kind of ruining things for me.

- Well, I want to go to Dollywood, so maybe we can go to six flags and then Dollywood and just do a theme park roundup. - I strongly recommend it because there's like all sorts of stuff in nearby Gatlinburg

and Pigeon Ford. - Yeah, of course. - Well I've been to Gatlinburg. - Ripley's museums and just all sorts of just cool, super kitchie touristy stuff. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- Oh, what's his name? The guy who sings proud to be an American. - Lee Greenwood. - The Greenwood. - There's the Lee Greenwood Cafe where they no joke. Play that song. - No, no, no.

- I don't know. - Over and over again.

“The whole time you're like, "Wish, where's the next song?"”

They don't play the next song. - I heard that song every night of the summer for like five summers when I worked at The Stone Mountain Leasership. - Oh yeah, I got my fill up it. - Yeah.

- So we can talk a little bit more about her politics. She's, and this is where the sociologist and anthropologist come in. There's a sociologist named Tracy and McMillan Cotum that has written about how black women

have always looked up to Dolly Parton as a role model.

Even though she's like, it's a very specific sort of white southern thing that she embodies. Again, just, you know, testifies to her crossover appeal that she's too be admired by anybody. Her cue score, if you don't know what a cue score is,

it's a marketing tool that basically, there's a bunch of things that go into your cue score, but it's basically how much people like you, how much they recognize your name. And her cue score is like legendarily

one of the top cue scores of all time. Celebrity wise. - She has a high-positive cue score. They also do a negative cue score. And she's a very low-negative cue score.

So she's among the most beloved and among the least dislike people in the entire world. - Yeah, I don't wanna know my cue score. - I looked it up, we don't have one yet. - Okay, good.

- But I was reading this article on the conversation in these two Australian marketing people we're trying to figure out who would have been Australia's Dolly and they landed on Hugh Jackman. And I'm like, I can't disagree with that.

- He's pretty likeable. - Sure, everybody likes Hugh Jackman. - Yeah, I would agree with that. - Even though he did the greatest showman. - Right.

- People still like Hugh Jackman. - The anthropologist comes in a man named Jonathan Zilberg in 1995, talked about how she was loved in Zimbabwe of all places. And again, it's just like, pick a country

and chances are people there loved Dolly Parton. - And Dolly Parton is a market and they talk about how Nelson Mandela, while he was in prison in South Africa, got his jailers to play Jolene for the whole.

- Yeah, Hillsin. - Jail? - Basically all the Shawshank redemption. - Uh-huh. - Pretty cool.

- Pretty cool. And like you said earlier, she basically just avoids politics. She doesn't let any politician on either side use her music. If a Democrat uses it, she shuts him down. If a Republican uses it, she shuts him down.

She just sort of side steps all that stuff.

She's always been growing up, of course, in the '70s,

there were a lot of playground jokes about Dolly Parton's breast size. She was very well known for it.

and joke about it herself,

“instead of being like the butt of the joke,”

she can just go along with it. And that's just another really likable quality as someone who can laugh at themselves and not take things too seriously. - I also saw it put that she knows that these jokes

are gonna be made anyway, so she can diffuse them by getting out in front of them and top them, the lame jokes that like old talk show host would make. - Yeah.

- I saw once she said that she burned her bra and it took the fire department three days to put it out, like that kind of stuff. - That's hilarious. - That was her joke?

- Yeah. - Oh, that's good. That's very funny. - So I think we mentioned this before, do you know that dolly the sheep,

the first cloned animal on the planet was named dolly because she was grown from a mammary gland? - Yeah. - I can't remember where we talked about that,

“but it really just goes to show like that's how,”

that's how ubiquitous dolly partens boobs were in the 20th century. (laughing) They were as big as she was, basically. - Yeah.

- They were definitely part of her brand for sure. - Yeah, you know, she was smart enough to lean into it. Another thing that she had done over the years is there are a lot of really dark songs that she's written about even though

she's never kind of outright considered herself

a feminist. She very much is. And a lot of the songs she's written over the years have been very dark songs about women who are either abandoned or suffering

from sexual double standards or there's a one brutal song from 1970 called Daddy Come and Get Me about a true story of a relative and her family that was basically institutionalized by her husband.

So she's never been afraid to go down sort of in the tradition of the old sort of dark country murder ballad thing go down these darker roads with some of the song she's written.

- Yeah, I saw that she considers herself not a feminist, but in favor of all women. She's for all women. So it's like she doesn't subscribe to the movement part, but what the movements ultimately about,

she's totally in favor of it. And that's super hurt. Well, she made a very rare overt statement when she came out in support of Black Lives Matter. And it really like at a time

where it was like you're casting your lot one way or another. And she stood up for it, which is pretty cool. - She did, she also in 2018, that was at Dollywood, the Dixie Stampede.

She changed the name to Dolly Parton stampede after people complained about the whole Dixie connotation and silver war theme. She changed that up and she was just like,

I never really thought about the Confederate imagery,

meaning what it meant to people. And so she was happily changed it.

“And that's just the kind of person she is, I think.”

- And she got to go for that. And she got to go for supporting Black Lives Matter from some of her right-leaning fans. But she can always explain herself. - Yeah, and she does so in such a great way

that you're just kind of like, well fine. It's hard to be, you can't keep a grudge against her, even if she goes against you politically. But she's just so rarely does it. - Yeah, agreed.

She is, we're gonna wind it down with her business and philanthropy. Very savvy business person from the very beginning. She was smart enough to hang on to her, the right-store-owned music and never give 'em up,

even when Elvis Presley came calling. And wanted to cover, I will always love you. He wanted half of the publishing rights and she was like, no way. He take a walk Elvis Presley.

- He didn't apparently kernel Tom called her up on the morning of the scheduled recording session in Sprung Bad Honor and she turned him down. And she said she was hoping that Elvis was disappointed as she was.

But that took a lot of gumption, especially to have it sprung on. You like that and she said, nope, not doing it. But that's one of the things that made her so incredibly wealthy. Like, apparently her music catalog has a net worth of about $150 million.

And it brings in about $6 to $8 million a year for her

according to, I think, Forbes. And then her stake in dollywood is her most valuable asset I think it's like $165 million. - Pretty neat. - She's done quite well for herself.

- Yeah. I mean, these days, she's not stopping either. She's on Duncan Hines, buttermilk biscuit mix, with her little cartoon face. They have fragrances branded by dolly.

They have pet clothes that she's branded with. They're like just all kinds of things. She's not afraid to license her image for sure. - We've got that, the Duncan Hines frosting in our pantry. - Do you?

- Chocolate, chocolate cream frosting. And then one other thing I saw Chuck, she wrote a book, "Cowrow to Book with James Patterson." One of the best, one of the most favorite novelists

And it's a thriller based kind of loosely

on dolly's story of making it in the music biz. - Oh, wow. - Yeah, I think that's came out. - Okay, let me have to check that out. - Yeah.

- She is very charitable as well. She started the dollywood foundation in 1988, just to get literacy going in her home county. And it grew and grew and grew to the point where it is now in the US, Canada, Australia, the UK and Ireland.

And to date, the program has given out more than 204 million books across these countries. And she helped build a hospital in her county. Anytime there's wildfires nearby, if she's chipping in, she very famously donated a million dollars

to Vanderbilt University Medical Center for COVID-19 vaccine research. And people don't credit her with the Moderna vaccine, but they're like that million dollars was instrumental in getting that vaccine to trial.

- Well, yes, she also was like everybody go get jabbed. She, yeah. - Yeah, there was a video at one around of her

“getting her own vaccine, the first one, I think.”

And she was seeing vaccine to the tune of Joe Leane. - Pretty nice diet. - Yeah, exactly, it was great. So, one other thing that about her foundation, one reason she got into literacy programs

was because her father never learned to read.

And apparently, he told her just before he died, that he was most proud of her for that work that she'd done with promoting literacy around the world. It's pretty cool, it makes it even need her. - In addition to the vaccine, Joe Leane songs,

she also did a version of, I will always jab you. - That was less popular, less popular. - It sounds a little aggressive. - She's been nominated for 53 Grammys. 53, she's won 10, which I think that number should be higher.

But, you know, they have given her like lifetime achievement awards and Joe Leane and I will always love you who were inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame. So, they have like heaped awards on her even when she is not won the actual Grammy.

And she's also wanna Emmy, right? - Yeah, she was also up for two Oscars for Best Song for O Traveling Through for TransAmerica in the 2006 and then nine to five to six. - Nine to five, not win?

- No, it was beaten by fame, oh boy. - Emmett, a few years. - Traveling through was beaten by hard out there for a Pimp from hustle and flow. - That's a good song too.

- And you're gonna top that. - It's really hard, I was getting ready to trash whatever beat out nine to five, but fame is a great song. - That's a tough year. - That's a very tough year.

But she also has two two Guinness World Records to her name, one of which is most decades with a top 20 hit, which really just goes to show how long she's been around and how long she's been huge. - You know what else he has to have?

- What? - Stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. - Two. - I know, is there anybody else who has that?

“- I think so, people in different media, although,”

probably not a lot of people, but it's a pretty short list. One in 1984, and then one in 2018, when, I guess, the final trio of trio albums came out. - So if you think Daly Sloan down, friend you are dead wrong. - Yep.

- She's got a new album coming out, so she was inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, despite her protests. She's like, "I'm not a rocker." - Yeah. - And at least she's like, "All right, well I better go be a rocker

and earn that honor." She's so her next studio album, her 49th, is coming out, I think this fall, and it's called Rockstar, and she's going to be singing with some other Rockstar too. - Yeah, Stevie Nix, Paul McCartney, share, I love it.

- Yep, Vince Neal? - No, not Vince Neal. - That's correct, not Vince Neal. - Okay. (laughing)

- That he pretty makes it, actually. - You got anything else about Daly Parton? Oh, I've got one other thing, let's hear. - Four or four years, she wakes up at 3 a.m. every day. - And just daughter of a sharecropper.

- Yeah, I guess that's amazing. - Okay, you got anything else? I've got nothing else. - Okay, I don't either, I don't think. But I'm gonna think of 10 things after we're done recording.

I know, I'm gonna have been listening to Daly Parton all day, so it's gonna continue on. - Yeah, it's not hard to do.

“If you want to know more about Daly Parton,”

friend, go listen to Daly Parton. Go watch videos of Daly Parton. Go read interviews with Daly Parton. She was once described as a black belt interviewie.

So you'll never be disappointed

with the Daly Parton interview. And since I said, you'll never be disappointed by a Daly Parton interview, that has opened up listener mail. (bell ringing)

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of my very traditional grandmother.

“She was very traditional in the Midwestern sense,”

and she was a homemaker. - Oh yeah. - That books for my grandfather's iron working concern. She didn't tolerate cussing or fussing, and was a conservative dresser.

She liked the Calico. (laughs) She didn't have any obvious vices, save one. Pack man, oh yeah. To hear her tell it, there was a time

where she would wake up before her husband and five children. Power up the Atari and start a pack man game. After 30 minutes or so, she would get breakfast on the table, get her family out the door, and do the books, clean the house,

and then finally get back to her paused pack man game,

which she would play until it was time to start dinner when her family came back home. It's awesome. - Did she have pack man fever? - That's good.

Wouldn't be much of a story guys, except here's the thing. She was really, really good at pack man. - Oh yeah. - She wants to tell me she had the first 40

something levels memorized and could use them to rack up points and then fuss extra lives. She got to a point where she could play the same game all day long, eventually she would describe, getting to a high enough level where the game would freeze.

- Oh.

- And what she was describing was level 256 to kill screen.

But since she was home alone, every time she reached it, and the internet wasn't a household thing, no one ever knew what she was talking about. - She just ran away like somebody, anybody come look.

- It was until many years later that I saw King of Kong and saw the footage of the kill screen, my grandmother had described, couldn't believe my eyes, or the fact that my conservative grandmother

was such an early skilled gamer. She since passed away, but every time the subject of pack man comes up, brings a smile to my face and I remember her in her high scores.

That is from Aaron Miller of Kansas City, the Kansas side. - Oh, that's rare. You don't usually hear from those people, Kansas side. - Well, thanks a lot, Aaron.

That's a fantastic story. I'm glad you could smuggle that message out of the Kansas side of Kansas City to us. And if you wanna be like Aaron and get in touch however way you can, try putting it in an email.

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