J. Cole Finally Breaks His Silence on Kendrick, Drake, The Lawsuit & His Last Album | Talk With Flee

I'm saying, you can say that you're a hero.

You're a master of the club, right? But you don't understand. Exactly. It's just a challenge. You're just a master of the club. You're just a master of the club. And if you then work, you'll be able to do it. - That's right? - Safe. You're just a master. You're just a master of the club.

Now you're just a master of the club. Somebody call it. I don't know what may happen next Saturday. What's up, man? I'm just saying, like, a lawsuit, bro. Lawyer's, you know, wasn't like that.

I'm just saying, bro, you got to think it's like... Come here, give me a hug, man. I'm just not the way you know it, man. What's good, everybody? Welcome back to Talk with Fleet. Now, look, I got a real real special guest today.

An introduction is, I would have to have a scroll. A old school scroll for an introduction of my guest today. And I know a lot of people thought that this interview probably wouldn't happen, or we wouldn't be speaking, or we wouldn't even be in the same room. But today, I have a good friend of mine who stopped by the talk with Fleet.

My man, Jake Hall was a good bro. - Ooh, sir, bro. - Hey, thank you, thank you. Thank you so much for coming, man. Thank you so much for coming. So... - Now, thank you, bro. - Let's just get the elephant out the room. So... So, right, because your friends is on me.

“- Hey, people, man. - You're probably on me. - Yeah, they're on my ass, right?”

So, a few months ago, a couple of months ago, I put a lawsuit out.

I never talked about it, never said anything about it.

And the reason I did it is because I just felt like Dan, when he called me to do something, he kept kind of brushing me off when I asked for a favor. And then I kind of scroll down and looked at it when the first time I actually did do something that shit's at 2022. And I was like, "Hold with up, man."

So, yeah, gave me a time to do something, and then we actually talked. And I appreciated our conversation, because you're like, "Yo, if you feel the way, just say something, but this is my process, Kim, that when I write a rhyme, I'm trying to have the best rhyme I'm doing. When I do an interview, it's because I'm have something to promote." - Right.

So, I was just basically going off with what you told me. - Right. - And I'm like, "This is kind of a long time from what you told me." - Right. So, let me ask you this. When you first seen the lawsuit,

because I never talked about it. - Right, right. - Right, right.

- What was your motion when you see it? - I was like, I ain't gonna lie. I was like, I was like, hurt almost, disappointed like, like,

“'cause I got so much respect for you, you know what I mean?”

And I look at you like, like, I know you are as a stand-up person, you know what I mean? And so on my mind, I'm like, nah, nah, I can't not, too, like, because even when you said, like, I was brushing you off, it's like, you got to clarify for them what was happening was, can't be two things for me. And he did them bitches quick. When I wanted you on the, uh, 95 self? - Yes. - Intro? - Yes. - What you need, boom, boom, I got you. I fuck with you.

- Right. - I don't even fuck with a lot of niggas. I fuck with you. Go on, man, I appreciate that shit. - Right. - Then when in the studio, we did, uh, I'm ready. We remade, I'm ready. I'm ready. - Yeah, we got to get came on this. This should have been legendary. - Right. - When I hit you for that, niggas came through damn near immediately. Like, you, we just happened to be in New York same time. - Right. - Verse and 15 minutes, you did not tell a lie. We said that, niggas knocked the verse out.

- Right. - I just went to the bathroom damn near. - Right. - I wanted another studio, how did niggas, my engineer came in like, yeah, you just said what? - Corday was dead. - He was dead like that. - Yeah, he was dead like that. - Yeah, he was dead like that. - He was dead like that. - He was dead like that. - Yeah, he was dead like that. - I took Corday too. - Yes, yeah, out of Corday. So, um, so you did that shit, quick as fuck. So, as you do the verse, in my mind, I'm like, I say, "Kam, yo, uh, let me get your lawyer info.

Let me get your manager info like that." - Before real quick, the topic, when I did my verse so quick, is like, you know, 'cause I've been in the game a little longer than you, but it seemed like you were very fine. Like, you listen to it, not say you, you fuck with it, but it was like, I ain't do this quick. It's almost like,

“study my shit. That's what I'm saying. I understand where you come from being a lyrics up,”

but you're sitting like, nah, nah, this shit is all right. - No, you know why? Because I'm listening, when I go back and I listen, and it's almost a weird place for me because it's like, yo, you, you can't. - Right. - So, I am, but I still, when I'm, when I'm listening. - Yeah, you go, so I'm listening, it almost, a phrase like, "You don't want to tell me, don't want to have to tell me, you're like, yo, can't, you re-approach." If I'm listening, like that's what I'm doing.

when you was leaving, you so cool nigga smoking a black mouthing couch, you know what I mean?

“Like, it's verse out, and then when you leave, and I say yo, can't, like, let me get to lawyer”

info, you know what I mean, or whoever, so I can get you paid. I'm on that early, my, you did this song a long time ago. You like, nah, don't worry about it. You mean, like, I'm like, nah, I can't. I'm like, right, please, like, you know what I mean? - Absolutely, this is true. - This is true, everybody. So, and my mind, my spite, not for you, but in general, my spitey sense is a normally go up, right. - 'Cause in my mind, I'm like, I don't want nobody thinking I owe them a favor, but like,

this can't, like, like, one, I do can't my favor anyways. I pay them and still do whatever the

favor is, you know what I mean? So it's like, ain't this shit would never get weird in my mind.

- Right. - Like, cool, he insists, I ain't going, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not going to trip. Years go by, the song, my, I told you the song was probably going to come out in like a few months or something, but my process is like, clearly, it took me 10 years on this album. So my process is so, so much that it's like, that song didn't drop to two years later, you know, year and a half, whatever it was. So the song dropped boom, boom. I give you very short

notice that the song is going to drop, you know what I mean? But I'm like, you're still cool with us putting this out, like, cool, no problem, boom, boom, boom. So, so when it's time to do the paperwork, now, and now I've learned my lesson, you also taught me a good lesson, and I do appreciate that. 'Cause industry standard is like, if somebody do a verse for you, or they produce for you, how we move, we so last minute, and the game is, it's like, standard to be like,

we'll work it out after, 'cause everybody moves like, understanding industry standard. Like, okay, he might ask a 20% when normally it's 15, no problem, but he ain't going to come and ask for 70% like, so we'll handle it after boom, boom. So the lawyer came back on our side, I don't know, a month later, after they try to figure the paperwork out after they might delete later drop.

“Right. Like, yo, um, did you tell Cam, you're doing swap for interview, boom, boom?”

I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I told him I'd do an interview, and I still got a plan to do interview form, but I say it was a swap, like, it wasn't a swap, it wasn't a verse for interview, like, I'm gonna go do Cam, but it's not based on the verse, right? Got you. So today, come back with some crazy number, like, all right, he wants 300,000, some number one, just like, what the fuck, I'm like, all right, shit is going on, and then

right after that was the country contract shit. So much shit has happened in my life, that's not necessarily priority for me. Me, while you hit me around that same time, like, yo, bro, you know, like, like, what you think about doing the interview, like, Cam, I would love to do it, and if you know, I fuck with your platform, I would love to do it, interview, let me get this album out. Right. Now, here's where I fucked up, and if I go back,

I start doing shit differently. Right. Like, I was telling you when I thought I'd be done with the album. Right. So I'd be like, you know, if at this time, it's April or May, I'd be like, you're like, cool, just let me know. I'm starting this thing, this new, you hadn't even started

this shit. I damn it. Maybe it was going to be your first guess. That's exactly what it was going to be.

There you go. Absolutely. There you go. So, so, so what I was telling you was, man, I think I had a shit done by September. And I'm module, when I'm saying that, I'm confident it to end it to them. Yeah, right. Yeah, I should be done by said, I've done this before. Right. But I ain't noted, I had to get, bro, my I had to get my hair right, I had to get my energy right, and it took me a lot of elements made it so that by the time September crept up,

I had you on my mind to hold summer. I'm like, fuck, I told Camp September, I probably be done. I'm no one, and this nigga, you know, you don't play about your business, and I really respect it.

“I appreciate it. September 1st at month fucking 9 a.m., it was up, bro. Like, that's why”

it's like, I see how you built such a successful business. I appreciate it. Every time I gave you a date, right. I don't know if you got a assistant, a schedule, if that shit is up here,

every time I gave you a date, you was on me, on that date. So the first time you hit me,

September, and I'm like, fuck, I got to tell Camp, it's not September. Right. Camp, it's not September. I'm not there yet. I think it'll be realistically March, or whatever I say, right. I give you another date. Right. You, everything's cool. You cool about it. You're not shipping it all. You like cool, just let me know. You double back around March. Yeah. Or whenever the next thing is. Whenever you told me to hit that guy every time,

you, you double back, but, but the next time you double back, I also wasn't ready. Right. And mind you the whole time. You don't notice, but I'll tell you the other day. It's like, every time I had you on my mind, like, fuck, like, I'm behind schedule. Right. But somewhere, I thought something about you because I'm like, you know, I told Camp, I'd be done by such it's real quick, right. Me being on your mind is pause. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you said it like, you know. Well, I won't be on your mind. I'm much glad. Yeah. So I just want to get that out of the way. But again, my bad. I know, you know, the story game. So we're March. And now we're March. So wherever we are, whatever it is, now you follow up again. Right. Now I got to hit you with the news again. Right. Right. And I think this time is when you hit me, I could feel no, this time when you hit me,

tested. Let me call him. Right. So this one I called you. I don't know if you remember this

“by I called you. I'm like, yo, let me just call him. And when I called you when we got on the phone,”

and I hit you now verbally with the same thing I hit you with on a text, I felt the Harlem. Right. Come out, damn there. You know, I mean, were you like, were you was like, you're understand what you're saying? But, but like, let me tell you how feeling like when you asked me to do some, I showed right up, and I did it, and I knocked it out. Now when I'm asking you to do something, it's like, you got to, now it's all in this time. And boom, boom, it's like, yo, I'm not

understanding, which I felt your energy. I had to go, whoa, can't. Right. Like, like, I feel like, you know, I'm sensing your energy and I'm realizing like, we don't even really know each other like that. Yeah. We don't, I respect you. I got a lot of love for you. And then I'm assuming you respect me got a lot of, but we don't really know each other. So I feel like you may think that I'm trying to give you the run around or play with you a boom or boom, and it's not like that,

nigga, if you only knew how many people that, that, you know, are, I've, I've maybe done the same thing to, and it's not, and that's when I explain to you like, yo, I don't move like that. Like, I'm not just jumping out to do an interview for, for, for, that's like, yo, I want to talk about the music, and anything else that comes around the music, cool, but it's like, I don't have nothing, especially at that time. If I jump on an interview, what do you think is one of here

about at that time? It's like, man, no, my mind is on trying to finish this shit I've been working on for so long. I explained that to you. You said, cool, you know, the conversation was great. You know, I mean, we, we had a real conversation, and then I gave you another date. Right. And this last

“date, I gave you was probably like, June of last year or whenever it was. Right. And I remember”

because we started mixing mixing and I'm for real. Right. A little around the time after I talk,

right, we start mixing and tape. Right. We never mixed and tape before. We mixed and tape because,

you know, it's listed to a lot of my deep and long away. I just, I just took it back to real. Yes, we took to reals and tape and like mixing on the board. And we mixed on the board before, but we never hit tape. Right. A cute tip was in the studio one time with me. And I had to ask him like, yo, bro, like, what was y'all doing on on my deep? What was y'all doing? He was just telling me, yeah, we was hitting tape. We fucked around with tape in the past, but never like this. When he said

that shout out to the cute tip because he changed our whole perspective. Right. Then I realized, now we got a lot, but then we have to learn how to use tape. Right. And I'm realizing this shit is hard. And I ain't even having, now I got to get another tape machine because I realized one wasn't enough. Right. So now me and my engineer and my team, we trying to learn something new on the fly. So what would it normally took two, three months for us to mix on pro tools. Right.

It's now taking us down long. Like, so by the time, June comes and you hit me. Two albums on tape. Right. You got to, you know, Nick is carrying a quarter of the whole

“reals to the exactly. You got to, you probably got to put it in the mix. Like, that's how it is.”

Every time people are not understanding them, but you understand, which is like, when you mix, if I mix on pro tools right now, if I got a cam son that I did, and this mix on pro tools, I could put that shit up in point three seconds. Like, oh, mix everything. It might take 10 seconds because it's some plugins and shit. Right. When you got to tape every time we switch a song, you got to fucking send every track to the board, the board got to go to, or some shit,

the board got to go to tape all of these tracks on the tape. You got to send it back to the board. You got to get the board out in by hand. Exactly how you had it last time. Just to make a change. Right. So now by the time you hit me and and June on this last time. Right. Now I get, and this is where I understand and I get it. You hit me again. And you like, a bro, like, you know, was good. I'm checking back in. June 1st, like you told me or whatever, like, hey, it was good.

And now I got to hit you with the heart break in text for me, because I'm like, fuck, I don't want to tell this. And what I tried to do on this last text with you was to say, like, can't, let's not do it like this no more. Let me just tell you, this album is coming out,

but let me just hit you. You the first person I'm coming to see. Everybody on my team been new that.

Right. So, so let me just hit you soon as I'm done for real for real. Right. And then you the first person I'm coming to see. Your text back was like, yo, respectively. Like, like, you been telling me for a long time, you just going to do this. So like, if you can't make it happen in the next two, three weeks, like, yo, let's, let's not even wear a bow. And I was like, you are definitely can't do the next two, three weeks. You see, you was like, cool. So then this the other last

part. I was like, no, no, no, no, take your test. No, no, no, I'm glad you're showing that. Yes. Like I said, listen, Jay Coffin, I'm wanting to Jay Coffin. I appreciate it. And you're lying. Code on do this. It's nothing, and it's nothing personal, it's nothing, but this is just this process. So I'm glad you're being this detailed about it for me. Yes. Oh, thank you. Yes. Yes. No doubt. Yeah. So, um, so now in my module, even when you send me that text,

it's the crazy part. Even when you send me that text, like, yo, don't even worry about it. In my mind, I know, oh, can't fed up with me, but can't don't know. I'm my plan is to still, you didn't notice, but, but even when everybody on my team knew, like, can't, like, he, he kind of done with me,

but he don't know as soon as my own job, I'm still coming to see him first, because I told him I

come to his show. You know what I mean? Like, that was still my plan. Right. So the last while thing that happened to me to answer your original question, which was how did I feel? Right.

whatever the day was in the fall. I got a random text from you, and it was, like, some, like,

“docu-sign thing that you was telling somebody, like, yo, I think you sent a wrong one or something like that.”

I'm thinking somebody had your phone. I don't know. I'm thinking, because you know, people be playing on phones and trying to hack. Right. So I'm like, yo, bro, you good. I hit you damn near back in the, in at least 10, 15 minutes, like, yo, you good. And it used, like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, I'm a fault, wrong text, like wrong person. I'm like, all right, I hope you good. And then you hit me, like, you're everything good. So on my mind, I'm like, you know, we still good. And I still got plans

in my mind to hit you. So then a month later or three weeks later, when the lawsuit come out, I'm like, come on, can't. And only because it was like, in my mind, I'm like, bro, you really could hit me. Like, although it was taking a long time, I don't give a fuck of you to call me and be like, yo, nigga, what the, like, like, you could have scraped on me. We could have argued with a woman. I would have preferred that than the other way, because I was just like, damn,

can't, like, with, like, we, like, we, we never got to that point where you couldn't, like,

highlight me or whatever. So, so my first thing was disappointment, but then I was like, and in my first, I was like, fuck it then, like, like, it's nigga ain't even know. I was still going to come in and show. Right. My first gut reaction, like, damn. And it's like misinformation, you know what I mean, like, within within the, within the lawsuit itself. And, you know, the internet running with it, people hit me like, yo was going over the care ship, oh, boom. So like, my, my ego reaction

is like, yeah, all right, quietly, I'm like, man, fuck this nigga, move on. Right. But quickly, I'm like, but now, like, I get it though. Let me put myself in his shoes, like, yo, the nigga feel like he was getting the run around. You know, I mean, he don't know you for real. He don't know your heart for real for real. He think, you, oh, you're trying to, and can't mind, it's probably like, I see him as movie before. You don't fuck with me. You don't want to do the favor. You

try to drag me out until I don't want to do it no more. I nigga bet. And I got one in the chamber.

I never signed that paperwork for that fucker, whatever. So here you go, boom, just to like hit

me in a rib, you know, me and it's like, I cool, like, and even when I took that and understood that

“and accepted that, I still said to my mind, I was like, yo, I'm a still goes he can. And that's what”

you called and said, but you said, regardless of if you still want to sue me anything else, I'm still, and which, of course, it was never going to go nowhere, but for me it was more like, I need to get this nigga attention because I'm not going to call him walk or you. I'm not, we ought to cool relationship. We never been there and ain't like we've been to club together. We don't know each other though. Scream and yell at each other and no shit like that. So I just took it

more of like, to me when I looked at it and I looked at the time, like, and you did a great job explaining it. I just looked at the years because it was turning in the years. And I'm like, yo, and you made a great point too. You didn't look at it as a swap. And we come from two different, I'm a little before you. So the way I used to look at it or not, Nick is in my generation and be like, you're I did this for you. I need you to do this for me. That's how I looked at it, even though you're

explaining that's how you never looked at it, as you offered to pay me. I'm not charging you.

I don't know Nick is nor the time. I don't like Nick. It's, I don't really like a lot of people, especially rappers. I don't even like, you're a great, great lyricist. Like I said, like not just for your generation period. So I'm like, let me get a verse. Can't we take me this? Matter of fact, fuck the verse. Let me get the interview. Part me. And then that's when all the K, all that shit came out the same time. So

right, more of the story is I get it. And thank you for being here, bro. And thank you for having me. That shit was never going to go nowhere for us to lose to anyway. It's just like, I need to get this in a good tension. Because I did feel like I did a couple of things for you like that. It was, I respect the craft from what you do. Thank you. You know what I'm saying? So not appreciation. I'm glad we hear, man. Into and glad we hear, bro. And like I said,

that shit wasn't never about now. It's more like, yeah, bro. I did this shit for them again. But at the end of the day, you have processed, like you're explaining to me as you have processed.

“Let's get on to some better shit. How did you get your first deal? What's the process of that?”

Okay. And this was, this was the day is when having to deal matter, right? Like this was still, I'm still, I'm the last one of that generation. My, my me, Kendrick Drake. We the last ones from the generation where a deal matter. Your generation a deal matter. Absolutely. Get a nice nigga like him or a nice nigga like Mace. You get them a deal in a situation. Absolutely. They have a shot. Right. Nowadays it's like, bro, if you just do the right

online campaign, you can blow it out to labels. But I'm the last generation of that. So I moved to New York. I went to St. John's two B around the music industry. I'm okay. Everyone ain't no music industry there. Right. Two dudes as a group. They might like my mentors. They call a bond shelter. Like they like are almost. They were so fucking good. Right. Imagine the best group for Harlem, but they never made it. You know what I mean? Like that they that in favor. Got you.

And I peaked like, oh, they didn't make it. Not because they wasn't good enough. But because they wasn't around around. Right. Back then you had to be around. So I'm like, yo, I'm gonna go to school in New York to be around it. So right. After some years of being there, I'm like damn, I got to get my foot in the door. And I got a shout out my man. His name is Mike Rooney. He's Corey Rooney's nephew. Okay.

Right. You know, I mean, if anything, his uncle might have made it harder for him. You know,

“from what I understand, he had to get on his own. And he heard my, I had a song called School Days.”

And he heard this shit on my my space. It's a long story, but like, but uh, he ended up connecting me with Kirk Lightburn, a dude that that's like, uh, really tight with Mark Pizz. Right. So Mark Pizz, it hurt. So I thought, so shout out to Mark Pizz, go see the dawn. It's like, he heard, please, the song, I got called, call, light's pleased. And he saw the vision. And he brought me in, and eventually he ended up taking it to Jay. Okay. You know, I mean,

and Jay like heard it. My dude, just a year after I waited outside. Right. Uh, it was a baseline of rock to make for Jay trying to pass him a beat CD. Right. You know, I mean, and he take the shit, he like kind of dubbed me. Right. And it taught me a lesson like nigga, you ain't gonna get it like that. You know, that's not how you want to get it. Right. Year later, via Mark Pizz, you know, I mean, Mark had the vision to take me to Jay and Jay heard it saw the vision and like it and saw

me. Right. Is that anybody before Jay that you seen that celebrity wise, the mayor shut you down or Jay was, your mind was just strictly get the rock nation or Jay's a little bit, rock nation didn't exist at that time, but me standing outside for Jay, it wasn't me trying to get a deal. I was, I'll make beats too. So it's like, and my mind, I'm like, damn, I've seen Kanye, like,

got in with the producing shit first. Right. Maybe that's an infamy, and the news had dropped

the kind that Jay was working on American gangster. Okay. You know, I mean, but the article was saying he wasn't necessarily done, like, so on my mind, I'm like, I'm ambitious. You know, I mean, I believe in myself. So I'm like, I was at work. I'm like, you know, soon, like, I got home, I made two beats. So we'll hook on one, put seven other beats on the CD. I put the American gangster cover on it. Like, I slid that shit in a CD book. Over my volume three, I had a volume three,

or volume two. So I took the cover out, put his American gangster cover in black and white little printed version and stood outside trying to get him a beat CD. We're gonna hook on it. Thinking, if he go, in my mind, he was gonna go upstairs, put the CD in, hear it. Go get that young kid from my outside, you know, I mean, so I thought that I was anything about it. Sign in the JZ. I was just

thinking, like, oh, maybe I can get my beats off, you know, I mean, and get on like that. I never thought,

I only thought about signing a death jam or to a label. I never thought about a JZ or something like that,

“but it worked out for me. But that's what I'm saying. Was it on nobody ever said,”

fuck out of here. Did you see anybody else celebrity wise that you may have tried to get on to, but that was just your focus? No, no. I will say, no, no, nobody ever ever sitting on me or dubbed me. But I do know that at one point in time, 50, I think, shy, shy money and shout the G unit hold from Queens. Right. They were trying to put, I think, 50 on to my shit. You know what I mean? This was around the time, right before when I was knowing Mark,

before Jay had heard my shit, and I think they played my shit for 50 and what I was told his response was like, mind you, I had like lost, I had the song called lost ones. I had lace pleas. I had my, I had symbol. I had hardship too. Like when you could talk, I could really rap. Right. And I think I think 50 reaction for what I heard was, can't sign this. And again, it's jeans to tell you. You're going up the image, right? Right. I mean, I get it too because I mean, guess what? That's

it when I made no sense. Me going to G unit, you know, but shout the shot money, you know, I mean, I hope who's seeing the vision. Right. I mean, how was that? Well, how was your experience

working with hope or getting the right nation being like the first all this over there? What was

that like for you? Honestly, I think by that time, I missed the hate that that you got the experience. Right. I mean, you're damn there, Misty. Yeah, I think what we got to tell love of it. And your comment that nigga was probably on his way out. I mean, the audience has had it. Like I missed the era when it was actually like a real squad and like a real label based off of like a rap energy.

“So I mean, I caught it. It was straight. I think I caught him on straight CEO mode. Where's this?”

All right. Look. Right. I'm listening. I'm going to sign this artist. I'm going to spend X amount of money on him. Right. I'm going to give him some time in my office and have a couple pep talks with him. But like, nigga, you got to go. It's sink a swim. Right. You know, I mean, like for the most part, I don't think he had the, uh, the care and I understand it at this point. To necessarily be like, you know, having this arm around me or coaching me up, which I appreciate

because, you know, I prefer the way I got it, which was like, right, on my own, it was the most part. Other than, of course, just the, just the affiliation with him alone, life changing. Right. Let alone the investment from his company. Right. I mean, like, like, so, so, but other than that, trying to navigate the waters of how to, how to blow and when to release it, how to do it. And pumping my head, that shit was like, on me, you know, even like, I don't write

on us. Is that part of the reason that you said, maybe I don't need to be here after a while and take your own thing to end the scope? Why didn't, why didn't leave our nation and go to the scope? Um, now, first, first, I went to end the scope with them. Okay. Okay. Because they, they had to deal with Columbia. Right. And then they deal with Sony was up. So they took me to the universal on my last, on my last couple albums. Right.

Okay. You know, I mean, and when that ran out, it's like, yo, they, you know, we work

“something else out. I think they got what they needed about to me. I got what I needed about”

it. I mean, it's like, it's, you know, right. So when you're getting the game, you come for favor, you're in New York. Now you're in the game and you're getting this people loving you from beginning. Is it what you expected when you first got in, knowing that people from your town didn't make it. Uh, yet didn't assess because people like gravitated to you really quickly. And it seems like you're more, once you like, now to me, just how I look and I could be totally wrong. Like,

I'm gonna pop out when I want to pop out and give my music out. And then I'm gonna go live my life. And because this place, I'm like, or you, you'll be like, yo, I'm in Africa. Yeah. You know, I'm doing, I'm doing what I do. So it's like the music industry at this time, I'm talking about, when you first get in there, you're excited with you expected or you just want

to do what you had to do and move on. Now, I feel like, well, I think I always had a long-term plan

when I was young, young to get it and then go back home. Right. But I ain't gonna lie like, nah, I was, I was, I was, I didn't have expectations. That shit was a slow grind. Right. You look at somebody like Drake. It's like, that the, the rise was meteoric. Okay. It's like 50. Okay. It was like 50 had a mixed tape run. But once it popped, it was like, got you, shit never did this. I shit was always this. Right. Some, I feel grateful for because

it's like, yo, God bless me with the opportunity to adjust as he grew. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I remember going to Miami because, because first of all, I come from a squad of friends that like, we, we like, party-hearted. And we party-hard niggas, like, you know, I spent my whole, my first party's was a skate ring. And I made showers religiously there from seven years old,

Friday night, Saturday night, mom going to skate ring. I used to walk up there. It was my first

job. Right. Like, hang out spot when I was 11, 12. Right. And then that turned into teen clubs. Right. As a teenager. And that turned into the college parties. Right. I went to college. And then once we was out of college and broke, we still trying to find a way to get into the club free before 11 or boom, boom, boom. So, so I say all that to say, we used to go to Miami, even just as college kids, like spring break. You know what I mean? You know how that go?

“And I remember the first time we went to Miami. And it was like, I think maybe the warm-up had just”

dropped or was about to drop or maybe the news had just dropped about, you know, I signed a rock nation or whatever. And I'm a, like, two people noticed me as something. Right. You know, I mean, I was like, oh, we look at, I mean, he's looking to like, oh, shit, like, yo. Like, somebody randomly come on to you like, yo, you take hold on. It was like, oh, shit. And then the next year, it was like, okay, maybe the warm-up was out. You know, I mean, like, I had a little bit more

motion. And maybe it was like, now 500 people recognize you. And then next year was like, well, I couldn't even go out anymore. Like, got you. You know, I mean, so, but I had a good time to, like, adjust. And I had no expectations, but I did enjoy the process of it. You know, I mean, and I wasn't thinking like, let me hurry get this shit over with. If anything, I was enjoying that shit a little too much. I mean, like, it might have threw out some of my, my, my discipline.

Got you. So, people know you play basketball as well. Like, you're about to go play basketball, when China, you told me, yeah, like, yeah, like, on some random, you call me play, you're playing professional ball in Africa. Like, Canada, I spoke to Drake one time. Like, y'all wanted to see Jacob. He's playing ball in fucking Canada. Right. You're playing professional basketball around the world. Yeah. Was it so for me, right? I was either basketball or rap. I didn't

really have no other play. I didn't have a play to see. Mm-hmm. Plan D. Is that what you focus on growing

“up? Like, I want to be a basketball player or I want to rap or did you have other goals?”

Yeah, I wanted, I, those are both of my goals for the most part, but I ain't going a lot like, Nick, I wasn't, I was, and still to this day. Like, I'm not, I'm not going to play professional in Africa because I'm because I'm, because I'm some nice, like, like, I can, I can hang on the

court. Right. I can shoot. You know, me, I could defend. Right. But I'm not, uh, and never have been

that nigga on the court at any time on any level. Like, when I, when I, when I see, you know, they got that famous clip of you and I said, right now, you was getting to it. Yeah, I mean, you was trying. You was one of the ones. It's like, that was never me with basketball. All though, I had a love and a passion for basketball. Right. I always feel like, you know, I left a lot on the table because I ain't had a direction. I hadn't nobody around to be like,

nigga, you ain't even good. Yeah. You were, you were, you were supporting player on your high school team. You're not even that nigga. Like, I had nobody to say that. So, but I always kept that love in that dream. Right. Even though I'm not good enough, I still had to dream. And what that dream is that allowed me to get better over time. Okay. So, who I was at 17 as a player, I was way better at 18. Right. Then I was way better at 20. Right. Then I was way better at 22. I actually

kept getting better as a player. Right. And so the basketball should just like me, just trying to scratch a last inch. You know what I mean? Right. Like, yo, let me see if I could do this. Could I train and be able to like, go play professional because these teams and these leagues are looking at it. Like, you know what, he's not, he's not ass. Right. He could come be on the court. Yeah. And he can give our league some publicity. Some publicity. Some publicity. So, so, so the China thing you talking

Okay. And play. And I'm like, you know, I mean, like, I'm looking at the clock, like,

“when I'm getting older, like, this might be my last shot. So, so I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep my”

word to them and show up and play a couple games. Although I know, you know, I'm not in the best of shape because the album, but I'm gonna go out there and have fun with it. Well, I wanted to listen to, because all for me, a couple of dollars to come play. I don't know about China. I'm going to Canada. I'm gonna go to Canada if I had a chance. Why sign it up because it's so far? I don't like, going a lot of places with English in the main language. I don't even care if I have a,

have a, like, if I go do a show or we on tour a cool, but like, the, like, you're going to spend time to play ball over there, like, live a regular life. Not saying you could live a regular regular life, but just at the end of the day. Now, I've been to China. I'm, I'm, I'm, I did a short channel. Shanghai. It's not just saying all to the fans. And yeah, the crowd was going crazy. There's a re-buck event. And the cops made everybody sit down. It was like, watch the show sitting down.

Damn. Yeah, I was like, what the, yo, how are they going to enjoy the show? Right, right. And then

“told me to start over. All right. So, yo, what's going on? Fuck is going on? But then we went to”

hip-hop club and it was cool. I guess it was, it was a big event. They, uh, they turned it in the sun. But, um, I like America, man. I really do. I like North America. Right. I feel it. You still driving the handle? No, no, like, my regular life. No, I'm saying, you kept it around. It's, it's part

that the career. Okay. It's always been parts like. It's a mental, too. Oh, it was the

mental value to it. That's the card that I, that I, uh, that I used to get back and forth from college. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, like, that's the one. So, if I had a three-day weekend, like, you know, college, we all fall Monday. Right. That Friday after class, I'm driving back home. Got you. Like, I'm 95. Like, I didn't hit that route so much. Right. Back and forth, I know, to this day. I know exes. Right. I know when I'm in Maryland. I know if I get off on

this exit without even looking at the sun. I know it's a gas station right over there. It's a Chick-fil-A, boom, boom. And it's always in this car. Parties. Right. In this car. Me right around with Eve in New York. Right. Playing a song I just made in my room with a studio with Mike Rooney in this car. Right. When so far gone drop, it's like an Eve was trying to put me on. Right. I was damn near avoiding it. Like, everything happened in the car. He, I remember he put, I put over,

I had to go piss. I pulled over on the street in New York to film me a little corner to go piss. Yeah. I came back. He had so far gone in. Right. He's like, he had a force me to listen to that

“shit. Right. And I'm listening to like, oh, my fucking guy in that car. You know what I mean?”

Josh said from New York to Miami in that car. The first time we have a soul with a physical CD

of my own was in that car North Carolina anti. So yeah, I'm sentimental with like with my possessions damn. It makes a lot of sense. It was a room where did you have a scuffle with puff before? Was that just all room or did you know it actually? Yeah, that actually happened. I had a, uh, so yeah, explain that. Now, you know what? I've damned if wish I could because it's such a ill story. Right. You know, I mean, but, but a matter of fact, we did a podcast. Me and Eve.

Okay. Like, like a year and a half ago, where we kind of ran through like the first part of my career up to a four to a drive. And we had a bonus episode that was the whole episode was just about that night. Okay. And that altercation, right? Right. And we was going to put it out because at that time, you know, I mean, like me and puff, like we just know, we hadn't had no problem for you. Even after that, like it was cleaned up quick and we was in a good spot. Right. But you know, puff was on the song that I

had on all season and like, so we was going to put it out thinking like, oh, it's cool. Like, enough time has passed, paying or feeling away, boom, boom. Right. And then all the shit happened with him. Right. And I was just like, nah, it felt like, damn, they're like kicking a man when he's down. Like, you know, I mean, it was like, it would have gave the news in the world more ammo. I got this destroyed. It's destroyed. Right. It's dude. It wasn't a good time to put it out.

It's a good time. So similarly, right now, it's like, yeah, I want to tell it because it's ill, but I'm like, no, I did happen. Oh, no, no, you're happy. Yeah. Okay, Josh. We talked up. You mentioned a couple of names earlier. And oh, but let me say this. Absolutely. He did happen, but the stories be wrong. Okay. Narratives around it be wrong. Right. You know, remixes is crazy. Remixes is crazy. Like, like, how shit be happening. Right. But the remixes is crazy. Right.

Because, you know, people to say it happened, then happen. I tell Nick is all that. Like, when it comes to history, not just rap. I'm like, but Tom, we leave this, somebody get punched in the face in this room. But Tom, you get the valley is seven different stories on how they got punched in the face and the two fell out. No, it's no, it's came off. Like, the remixes are stories that just be crazy. So no story that's out there has been right, which is saying. So just so

people even even even even even punch from TDE, shout out the points. That's my man. But he gave a rendition where I'm looking at it and like, you know, you got a lot of it, right? You wasn't really right there. Right. So even what you're saying, you either missing details or misrepresented some details, I know the story and he was right there. Right. I know the full front, the back,

I'm recalling that ship verbatim. But even somebody that was there that's giving it, it's like, not that's not the full. That's not the full. I got you. So we was talking about how at the beginning of the show. When I wanted to do the interview one of these times and then this Kendrick thing comes up. So we have to put things on the back burner, which is fine. When you heard Kendrick

“make that song a metro boomer. And I remember years ago, he, I remember years ago when I was first,”

I want to say first coming out when the other thing was kind of established and he did a freestyle

years ago. And it was kind of like, he kind of was taking shots to everybody. And I just you period. And I remember you was like, y'all know how to sit with this. This was not just about this problem. I happened to him. I was maybe six, seven years ago. And he was like, I'm supposed to take this. You know what I'm saying? Because he's trying to make it seem like it was competitive. When this latest shots, too, when you really listen to that song, okay,

controlled it to throw something to him. I was like, you listen to it. It's not a shot. Right. But the world at that time. Okay. Oh, it felt them. They felt like the energy of it felt like a shot. Okay. I mean, but like when you really bust it down, that's not disrespectful in there. You know what I mean? But I understand what you're saying. There was something before. Now you was going to ask me how did I feel when when the, when the, when the, what the,

“I bought that, you know, a library, I want you to be a library, a library, because I want to make”

sure I got it right. And if I don't got it right, I mean, to make sure I can't, we didn't happen like that. So you know what I'm saying? So when the metro boom and track just came out, or not just now,

been a couple of years now, when you first heard it, how did you feel about it? I two reactions.

One, I, I got probably about an hour or two before somebody hit me and said and said it. The way they worded it was like, yo, can't you boom, right? So I'm like, what the fuck? I'm throwing off right there. Right. Automatic. I'm like, right. What? Right. And then mentally, I go to like, well, I know we good. I just spoke, boom, boom, like, right. Now I'm trying to think like, damn, that I do, I'm not even hearing the song. I don't know what the fuck he's going to say.

You know what I mean? Like, like, so like, damn, this something happened that I do, something that I say, so I'm going to go in like, I'm confused. All right. Like, not knowing what the song is. We'll be all only known with somebody. You know how to shit go. Just send you to

“spotify or something. And then somebody is spotify, listen to the shit early. Then they send a message”

to somebody somehow somebody knew and they got out and then they made his way to me. So our hour or two before, my job, I go to sleep by my fucking 10 o'clock most nights. Now I'm at 30 damn here. So now I'm like, oh, let me stay up in here with this is, you know, so I listen to it

and I have two first reactions. My first reaction is that shit is hard. Right. You know, I mean,

like, it's a hard ass versus undeniably. The beat crazy, the song is ill and I'm like, he went, you know, he went crazy. That's about my first reaction. I don't know what to necessarily, what I'm listening for. You know what, I'm like, that's just tough. Right. My second reaction is not now, nigga. Right. My, my second reaction is like, like, it's, no, nigga, this is inconvenient for me. Don't let me, can I explain to you what? This is going to be long-winded, but let me say take your time.

This is why we hear right at that time. Um, I had, I had just got off tour with Drake. I had one on tour with Drake. We did that. Um, and I had my delete later in the chamber, which was the project that you want as a mixed tape. Right. And then I had the fall off finish. I probably had to tweak a couple mixes, but I had this album finished the fall off. Right. Um, so, but my not now, it was, it was, it was based off of that, but let me tell you something else. At that time,

I had been working on the fall off, which was done, you know what I mean? Right. You know, and by the way, that somebody leaked it, I know who leaked it and who said it. You know what I mean? But it's cool. You put it out there. It's like, yo, he was on two joints. Right. You know what I mean? On the album. You know what I mean? Like, and, and on my mind, I'm like, me and Kendrick. Yes. Right. We got two joints. So I'm just trying to paint the full picture of mine. I just take your turn. Oh, and my mind,

I'm like, oh, Nick, I've been working so long on this. You were a big part of it, which I'm grateful for, because it's like, Nick, that's, that was a part of my vision for it. Like, having both of these dudes as a part of this, that's on my way out. I wanted to like celebrate, like, damn, I'm really grateful to have done it at the same time as these Newcasts. And I genuinely felt like yo, like this, this is, this is it for me. You know what I mean? At least at this level. I ain't working eight

years on the album no more. Right. But there's, there's something I'm leaving out, which is, when that shit happened, ultimately it became that whole situation. From me going on stage, apologize and moving, it ended up being that whole situation ended up being the absolute biggest blessing for me. And this is why, if you would have heard me talk about the falloff at that time, for like months before me and me and me and me, like this, like creatively, like, my man and like,

if you would have heard me talk about the album at that time, it would have sounded something like this.

fuck up and put this shit, the fuck out and be done with this shit. Like, we was over it because we

“was so exhausted from working on it. You know what I mean? Like, while I was working on this album,”

I dropped four yards only, KOD, the all season and had my delete later in the chamber. I was tired and burnt the fuck out. And, and I had, I used to, like, pray basically, like, guys, show me when it's time for me to really be done with this shit. Right. So I can know. Right. And so for three months straight, pray from, like, December, January, February, every time I sat down the right, I couldn't write shit. Like, nothing was, I couldn't get that lot. Right, as I couldn't

get past the line or two, I'm just like, damn, I was taking this as, I guess, I guess, God, it's showing me, you know, you're really done. I thought he was showing me I was done in the form of, like, you're on tap down. I ain't got shit to say. Right. So on top of that, how we speak about the album and my energy was negative, it would be like, bro, like, how I felt about this shit, which was hard as fuck, how I felt about it was almost, it was negative. You know, me, it was like, man,

just put this shit to fuck out. I'm done. I'm exhausted. Clearly, I'm tapped out. I can't write shit. All right, but I got enough in the chamber where I know this is, this is how I'm going out.

And, like, if I never write another rhyme, I'll put out another album. It's cool, because I did this.

Right. So that's the energy that I'm listening. That's the energy I'm sitting in when this verse happens from him. Gotcha. So my thought goes, first of all, this verse is crazy. It's hard. Right. But it's also like, damn, nigga, this shit is inconvenient. Like, it's terrible timing. Gotcha. And, and, and, and on top of that, my next thought, and this is where this is what led me to everything that came after that, which I'm grateful for. You know, I mean, at any,

“I can't even say them mistakes, because that's like, I really believe that, like, oh, that's how”

it had to happen for me. Like, God knew that, like, I would do this and boom, boom, but basically, my next thought was like, I fuck. What you're going to do? Because my phone is blowing up immediately. Nah, nigga. Like, please, yeah, press the button. Like, like, that's the energy from from, you know, niggas that love me. Right. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Yo, press the button, boom, boom, and reality, do I actually feel any sort of, when I listen to that verse, that day,

do I feel any sort of like, like, damn, nigga, what you say? Right. Why do you say that? There wasn't no disrespect in there. And, and, at least for me, you know, I mean, that I didn't listen to that and be like, and, nigga, say what, nigga, said I was X, Y, Z. You know, I mean, it was my feeling was like, fuck, because now I know that shit that you've been working on for eight

years, plus this other shit that you did as a, as a set up, yeah, niggas ain't going to never let

you put that out until you address this, until you say something here. Right. So my mind becomes, you know, it's silly to think of now, but it's like, it's where I was at at the time. Yeah, probably because I was in a negative place when it came to this music shit, but my thought was like, what, what's the world going to say? They're not going to let you come drop this shit you've been working on for 10 years without addressing that. Now, nigga, we don't want to hear none

of that shit. You ain't saying shit to buddy. You know what I mean? Like, we don't want to hear none of that. So my mind then gets into it. Then the word fear comes. The fear is, although nothing's in my heart, there's no malice in my heart. There's no even desire to like, oh, this nigga gave me a chance to come demolish him. What does the fuck does that mean? I love this nigga. Like, what, what, what does that even look like? There was no urge or desire to take it to that level, but there was a fear of like

damn, if I don't do something, I'll never be able to put this album out that I'm working on for

eight years. You know what I mean? So that led me to, all right, what am I gonna do? I started jotting some shit. But all this shit is, all this shit, I mean, like, I'm not even writing anything. I'm still not writing none good. Right. And then one night, I was in a, my home as a

“meeting team might as a studio out there. I'm just like, yo, fucking. That's why I's called seven”

minutes real. Me and him do these things called seven minute drills. When I got writers back at something, I do, my whole goal is like, yo, write a rhyme in seven minutes. Okay. Don't give a fuck if it's good or not. Good or not? I have him to produce a, just to get the room going in an energy guard below, make a beat in seven minutes. Can't overthink it. You can't do, just make the beat in seven minutes. And then you ain't got time to be figuring out your sense. Just practice. Yeah. So he

started to beat. I like that. That's good practice. And it's how I kept myself all these years. Right. Sharp, just giving myself little drills to go through the state. Sharp. So, so on and on one in the nice, he started cooking up. And all right, you did just seven minutes. Let me do my seven minutes. Right. And the whole point of seven minutes is like, yo, you can't overthink it, just let it come. And that's when I start writing a song that became like seven minute drill, which in my mind

as I'm writing it, what I had already kind of subscribed to myself is like, all right, this is what I do, right. Like, like, this is my nigga. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I'm worried about what the world

that's because I'm fearful that this thing that I'm working on for so long will go and appreciate

it if I don't. So I'm like, all right, this is what I do. Right. Let me say just enough to where it looked like I did, you know what I like a little bit? Like I said, some everything I'm saying to him, I know, and he know it's all survivable. You know what I mean? It's nothing. I'm hitting him, I have no fatal blows, but it'll be just enough to be like, all right, nigga. You said something. Say, now you're going to come back. You, I know this my man. He's going to come back. He's going to say

something, you know what I mean? I get me a line of two or give me a whatever. And I'm going to be like,

“you got that cool. Now, let's get to this album and really fuck them up. You know what I mean?”

And my mind, right? Like, but my dude, that's a decision made out of like non-clarity. But through that non-clarity, if seen like my best option, right? Right. On, we put out my deleted two days before

dream real fast. And that song is last, right? We just thought on it. The second it comes out.

And I'm seeing the right away what I did, instantly what I did was like, oh, you instantly divided, off-rip, you created a divided line where you force in the world to pick a side, pick a side. And it's a, if they fought with you, they got a slander him. Right. And they taken some of the shit you said, thinking it's survivable, thinking it's just some light shit boom, boom. Right. They taken what you said and they given it gas and they given it light. And then my thought becomes, oh,

fuck, I don't fucked up. I don't misrepresent it myself. Right. I don't, I don't, I don't misrepresent attention. That wasn't my attention. Right. My attention was, some bullshit. I honestly, my attention was, was fraudulent to begin where you

“pretended. It's like a nigga pull his gun out and like, that's just my analogy. Yeah. It's like,”

it's like, oh, shit, nigga pulls his gun out and just shoot a nigga toe or something. Right.

That's like, I shot him, you know, I'm just like, yeah, you only did it because you was worried about how everybody looked around you. You know what I mean? So my attention was some bullshit. Right. So, which, you know, attention being some bullshit, then me seeing the result of like, oh, my God. Look what I'm giving life to and then on top of that, oh, God, do this nigga think, do this nigga, because because this music shit is weird and this internet is weird.

You know, we, I, I love these niggas. I really do. But like, well, I'm not sure. I'm not what's all like this. Right. I wish all every day. Right. Y'all not with me every day. Thanks. Of enough headlines go around or enough chatter happens. You might start feeling like I really feel like that. And we not, and we not, I mean, guess what, when we was locked in locked in, I might talk to these niggas once a year. Right.

Might be two years ago by what we just checked in. There's no ill will. It's just like, yo, your life, my life. Right. So imagine, in the space, I'm like, oh, damn, this nigga really think that I feel like this about it. Like, oh, and even how I'm telling you, it was way heavy. It was like, oh, no. Like sinking my chair like nah, but at the same time, you did it already. Right. I've already done it. I've already, I've already, I've already

jumped into it. Right. So now I'm like, fuck, I got three real fast coming up. Oh, my God, like, I got to go in the stage. These niggas think I'm representing this boom. So, so, uh, you know, I know I'm going further than your original question, but like, I might as well, I might as well, I might as well let it in. Like, because people want to notice it.

“Word up. Because I have more questions, that's what I actually about it, but you're answering them.”

I anyway, so fast for it. Now, if you were to see me that weekend, even, like, my wife, she was peeping it all weekend. You know, I mean, it's only if you know me intimately, would you see it, but it's like, she could just see I was fucked up. Right. You know, I mean, because I felt like I had made like a big mistake. Right. And the main mistake was like, damn, you really love this dude. Like, you really have ad. I got yo, as I'm a fan of friend.

It's not just him. It's Drake too. It's like, you're, I really fucked with these niggas. You know, me, like, and it's like, oh, shit. My, and then also it's a bit of pride, because it's like, damn, they want to hit the niggas, be like, hey, bro, you think I was serious. But at this point, I don't, I mean, it's what it is. I'm in my head. It's like, you know what I mean? So, anyways, the show is about, I'm about two hours from going on stage or hour from going on stage. And I'm like,

damn, are you really about to walk in the stage? And everything about it feels untrue. You about to go in the stage and just represent this energy and a thought comes to me. And I really feel like this was guy, because I could tell because of how it, like, lifted me and how it took, like, the way it all feels like, oh, yo, you, you, you, you misrepresented yourself on a big stage, right, on a big platform, on an album. You know, I mean, and played into it. And you said something

that you didn't really believe in. You know what I mean? About somebody else moving on. You got the opportunity to go tell how you actually feel and speak the truth on a big stage. Maybe a bigger stage at that point, because niggas just tuned in around the world. You know what I mean? It's a live stream. So, I'm like, ah, and that's when the apology came in a moment of hour before. Right.

pray with it. You know what I mean? They've got a bit of swelling. Yeah. Tell my wife, she start crying.

You know what I mean? Like, she's seeing one house affecting me. And two, she just, I don't know, it was like a pride that she had. And she's know how I feel about him. You know what I mean? Like,

“she, she, you know, taught his wife. They got a little baby, little relationship. You know what I mean?”

So I was like, she know, she don't even know the rap world. She know the real version of me. Right. She started crying. I'm like, all right, cool. Like, I'm, I'm excited to do this now. Right. I'm going out there with a different energy. Right. I'm going out there. I can't wait to get to that moment. Right. Because it's really me. Right. And I can really get the represent myself. So I do what I do, right? Absolutely. As soon as I do what I do, me personally,

wait, wait, wait, wait. It's off me because I know, I've made a wrong right. Right. I did wrong. Whether you feel as wrong or not, it's wrong to me. Right. So I've made a wrong right. You know, I mean, now worst case, I know he knows. And I know the world know how I actually feel, boom, boom, boom, right. The weight gets lifted off me simultaneously. The world like, nah, nigga. No, sir. No, buddy. It's fine. Not going to happen like that. You know,

I mean, you know, in the world is, is fucking me up or fucking my name up. You know, I mean,

“or whatever. That's why the question could say here for a minute, because I want you”

for the story, guys, how did you feel right then in there when things like, you know, just think of backing out the battle, you know, come on, man, like, what did, no, come on, you fucking up, life's getting to go. I see that. How did you feel at that moment when people got upset with you for saying that you're not going to go back or forth with him? How did you feel?

Hmm. Well, first of all, you got to think it was that night with that night. I have my own

home voice. Right. I had people that was that was close to me. Some fingers like, yo, bro, I get it. I respect that one, boom. Something is like, bro, fuck that. No, you know, I mean, like, you know, I mean, so I already experienced that in real life. Right. I mean, and when they did it, when they did it, when they hit me with that, and I appreciate them telling me the truth, you know, whoever did, but it's like, when they hit me with it, I'm chilling. I didn't give a fuck,

like, like, because I did, I knew in my heart, I did what was right for me. And it means more coming from them than social or whatever you go, exactly. You go, however, what I will say is like to your point when the world started giving me them hands, my reaction was still, I still felt like, nah, like, I'm securing my decision and what I did. But of course, over time, when I think it's like, ah, nah, this Nick is over, you know what I mean? Like, it's over the ego and the fear

creaks in some. It wasn't dominant, but I did fill it there where it was like, ah, shit, like, like, did I, did I fuck up? You know what I mean? Where's like, it's not a dominant feeling,

because ultimately, all we's lean back on the fact that like, no, Nick, like, I've got a strong belief

in God and like, and I feel like we know how it feels when it's God, and we know how it feels when it's not. Right. You know what I mean? And I know that, like, yo, I'm moving off the filling that, I feel like aligns with with that with, you know what I mean? And if, as long as I did that,

“and I made the decision from that place, and I got to remember that, like, yo, okay,”

there's actually a bigger plan. There's a bigger purpose. So it's like, I got homeboys of them. Everybody on my side won a crash out. You know what I mean? Like, you know, Nick is talking crazy on, it's the internet, but they're like, yo, Nick is talking crazy. I don't like this shit, and I had to really tell everybody, like, yo, bro, don't say nothing. I appreciate it, because you love me. You want to go out there and arrive for me. You know what I mean? You see Nick is talking crazy,

and it's the worst to them, because it's like, Nick, I know you. Right. And you'll be begging Nick is to get in shows, come into the parties, boom, boom, boom. Now all of a sudden, you guys should say, they got real problems, and they want to crash out on people. And I'm telling them, like, no, like, let me walk through this, like, let me, whatever, whatever the world has got for me, whatever they got to say for me, let me take it. And let me remember, or, or, or, or, or remember that,

that's not even me, like, who I actually am on the inside. I'm, I'm damn soon out, Jay Cole, Jay Cole, I'm, I'm, I'm damn not even German on the inside. We all are connected to something higher. So what's the name? It's an identity. What's the reputation? It's just a story that somebody tell about you. So it's really just my ego, that's, that's afraid that, like, oh, my reputation, is going to get fucked up. Oh, they're not going to think this about me no more. Who gives off,

like, let me remember or learn who gives a fuck what they actually think. Right. You know what I mean? Like, like, it's not even you that they're talking about. And if it is so fucking wet, so I'm like, yo, don't say nothing. Let me walk through this. So I spent the next amount of time walking through it, mentally. Like, still feeling at peace with my decision. But now knowing I got to, I got to work through the mental test that comes with the world fucking my name of

fucking me up. And, you know, and that led me to, it's a, that's the blessing. Oh, I started this conversation

blessing that situation was for me. Right. Now, let me tell you why. Okay. And the middle of the

world fucking me up, like, it's over for this nigga. Now, never look at this nigga the same. Now,

you don't do that boom. You're always new that nigga with such a such boom. And the middle of the world doing that. I'm having these conversations with myself. I got to get off at that time. It was like, I had crap back on. I think around the time, uh, the Kendrick shit drop and, and, uh, the Kendrick future shit, and then my shit. I'm back on, I'm back reading comments. When they're just saying, I realized quickly, like, okay, I got to get the fuck off of that. Yeah,

“I get off IG YouTube. My most used app. That's why I've been fucking with you all for a minute,”

because it's like, yo, I've seen this, you know, YouTube. But on YouTube, every other post was my, my name. I was like, yo, I had to, I had to get off YouTube. So one, I had to separate myself from that. No one in the world is fucking me up. Right. And I had to have this conversation with myself. And this was the conversation. I, right now, the world is shit in on your name. Okay. Whatever you think you've built, you know, I mean, the world got something to say about you,

you know, I mean, and boom, how you feel about that? I mean, shit. I mean, I don't feel great. You know, I mean, but, but like, you know, whatever I'm saying to myself, then the question is like, uh, can you control any of that? Can you control what anybody says or thinks about you? You know, I mean, can you do that? Of course, the answer, I'm telling myself is like, oh, not I can't control that. Okay, then let me ask you another question. This is

me talking to myself. Let me ask you another question. Why did you ever do this in the first place? Like, like, did you ever do this? Did you ever put a pin to the paper, make a beat, record a song,

because you wanted people that you didn't know to always have great things to say about you? Like,

is that why you did this? No, that's not why I did this. So why did you do this ever and why did you ever do this in the first place? Oh, I did this in the first place because I loved it. Like, the second I start wrapping the first rhyme I wrote, the first beat I made, I fell in love with it. Like, I sat in it in my, that same chair you see on the album cover, I wrote my first song. Yeah, I must have sat in that spot for seven hours. I made the beat. I must have sat in that chair in

my career on my mom and my stepfather stereo system. I must have sat for the first time for seven hours. Imagine being 14, 15 sitting in a chair for seven hours and you not watching TV or playing a game. You know what I mean? I'm writing a song. Like, oh, I did that in those types of things because I loved it. I high. You did it because you loved it. Let me ask you a question. Do you love it right now?

“Do you currently love it right now? I'm like, I mean, yeah, I think I love it. Do you?”

Then I'm like, oh shit. It's like, yo, listen to how you talking about your own album you

bought to put out. Look how you've been talking about this shit. Like, this how you want to go out. You don't listen to music no more. You don't play this shit no more. You know what? I got kids now. I don't the shit that I came up on. You know what I mean? I don't play that shit around my kids. You know what I mean? I'm not going, I'm not going to do it. I'm grateful to my parents. Then give a fuck what I listen to or what they play around me. But I'm not going to do that. So it's like,

I don't experience this shit on a regular basis no more. And like, yo, look how you talking about this album when you're working off eight years. Oh, man. This is because get this shit to fuck out. Right. This is put this shit out. Man, it'd be done with it. And then my question was, that's how you want to go out. That's how you want to drop this album. That that that's how you want to drop your last album. If this is your last album. That's how you want to put it out.

Right. Like nah. Like nah. Well, how do you want to what you want to feel like? I want to feel like this.

“I can't write a fucking rap to say my life. Like that's how you want to go out and like nah,”

I want to go out when I put this shit out. I want to be in love with this shit. Like I want to be feeling like I can make it go three, do three more albums. Like I want to feel like excited and proud to put this shit. I want to be over it. All right then. So what can you control that? You can't control what people are saying. Right. But can you control how you feel about what it is that you do? Right. And so that when I say it was the biggest blessing is because in that

moment, I'm like, oh yeah, I can control that. I can control. It's like a relationship. Like I mean, you know, if I'm a relationship with a woman and it's like I can pretend like I'm a man, we just grew apart this shit ain't there no more. Really, you stop doing the things that that breathe love with this woman. You know what I mean? And y'all stop doing the things that breathe love with each other and you just say you fell out of love. Well, really you stop doing love. Like

love is like out of like spending time listening to somebody. You know what I mean? Like like it's it's an active thing. So from that day forward when I had that conversation myself, I'm like, oh, I get it. And I just I just immerse myself back in this shit that I love and I became it. I started telling people that summer. I was like damn, I feel like I'm 16 years old again. Like I was madly in love with this shit and then my pen got on fire. Like from that day forward. And that's

the way I feel now putting that album out versus how I would have felt two years ago. Even with

“even with the album in the form that it was night and day. Like, Nick, I ride around playing this”

shit. Right. Still to it. Like yesterday, I'll drive ahead of job out of favor. Nick, I'm playing this shit the whole way. I'm wrapping my shit. I'm a fan of this shit. Right. And that's a blessing because two years ago, it was man, let's get this shit out of here. So I know that's long-winded. But not, I get it. Just because just as a writer, you go through writing this block. Especially when yes, good as you are, it's hard to compete with your last great project. You get what I'm saying.

And everything you explain makes a lot of sense. Like, you gotta be true to you before

you make somebody else happy. And if you're not happy with your doing and you made a bunch of money

already, what the fuck are we really doing it for? Right. Like for me, I come to work. I get to my sports while I sports all day anyway and get to sit here with my childhood friend. Right. That we didn't, that we didn't speak to each other for 15 years. That we, we fucking watch sports and laugh at Nick. Wow. You get what I'm saying? If I had to do, if I had to do it, I wouldn't want to do it, man. As real, bro. Not, not, not. I got everything you said.

Do you think that, I don't got a couple more questions for you. I'm going to let my assistant tell I actually some questions. Do you think that the Drake and Kendrick thing got totally out of hand? Do you think it's spiral out of control? How do you feel? Because I know both of these. I feel like, yeah, it's weird for me. Right, it's weird. Because I feel, I demn't feel like the only person in the world. And of course, I don't know if this is true or not,

but I really end a lot of the situation. I'm like, now I feel like the only person in the world.

“It's almost like it's a much more mild example, but it's the only way I could think about.”

I'm like, I think a Dell Curry. Imagine Seth Curry was the star basketball player for whoever the team he was on, the hornets. Right. And then Steph was the star player for the warriors and they met in the finals. Right. And then Dell has to watch like, you know, he has to watch this battle. It's somebody got to come out, quote unquote loser. Somebody got to come out of winter. It's like, it's like, I'm the world right away. The world became like politics. You either Democrat or

public with a Kendrick or you Drake and you have to, you got to pick a side boom and I felt like the nigga that was like, like, disgusted both ways damn near. You know what I mean? So when you say it did it get out of hand, it's like creatively, that's not my place to say. Right. You know what I mean? Like, that's definitely not my place to say I'm a nigga to apologize. So it's not for me. It's not my place to come and say like, oh, such a socialness, that's not my place. But I think the out of hand that I think

is like, world reaction specifically like it's to me is like disgusting how people try to use that opportunity to like either show how they really felt about Drake the whole time or just like Paul on and tear this dude down and like create a narrative if he's not great or if he's not

“fucking amazing a stellar. It's like, yo, if you want to keep it, if you really want to keep it,”

hip hop and boom, nigga, judge it on the merits of the battle. Don't, don't, don't discredit you know what I mean? And I feel like this is a whole, it was a whole campaign and probably still is to this day of like belittling and tearing down what this dude built as if it was some shit we

have never seen. So on one hand, it's like, yo, I feel weird and they're going to make headlines

out of this, you know what I mean? And like, and, and, and, you know, and then the internet and the people who that feed into the fucking algorithms and get money off of clicks or just like, pray to get attention off of shit they say they're going to take this and run with it, but it's really the truth. It's like, I, I root for both of these niggas, you know what I mean? It's like, it's, it's weird because to see to see a moment that Kendrick had, it's like, I'm like, oh my God, quietly, I'm like, as we're

to say, because if I'm Drake and I hit this, I'm gonna fill away, but I'm gonna come back and tell the other truth later, which is like, when I see Kendrick get up, get the moment he had, the pop out, the stadium, the Super Bowl, the Grammys, the Grammys, I'm like, I'm, I'm just as proud of this niggas, I was, when I, when I knew him back then, you know what I mean? I'm like, oh niggas, like, wow, like, and I know it's deserved any handles that's so well, you know what I mean? But then at the same

time when I say that, I'm like, but I also hate, I hate that for Drake, because the work, like you see to shit with the, uh, at the Grammys when to do hosted has some shit to say, uh, the Kendrick about the light, oh yeah, the last time you did something to a light's gonna have to hate that, I'm like, bro,

man, I hope ice, man, it goes crazy. Like, I hope this niggas in his bag, and I hope he boom, boom, boom, simultaneously, I feel that way about both niggas, so I do get, I did get conflicted at times in the battle, because I'm like, ah, ah, but creatively, I don't, that's not my place, but as a, as a, a critic of like culture, which that word is fucking weird, because it's like, niggas shit is algorithm based niggas, this is paid campaigns on niggas, positive or negative,

but my criticism on the culture is like, ill, like, I hate what y'all tried to do to this man, right, you know what I mean? And, and, and I hope y'all fail, you know what I mean? And I'm glad to see y'all fail, so it's like, it's like, I hate to speak on it, because it's like, I know they're gonna take it a certain way, and that's genuinely my truth, you know what I mean? I genuinely, genuinely my truth. Right, you just told us how you feel about them being nice and I don't know who's Kendrick, a big

fan of his movie, but Drake's my man, so I totally feel exactly exactly exactly how you feel, which you, which you, which you just said, and it was a good moment for Kendrick, like you said, I like his music to him a fan, but that's Drake being my friend, it was fucked up. There you go, I agree with that. So, and so, and so, if I put myself in Drake shoes, even here me say, like, I'm happy for Kendrick in a sense. I would, if I'm him, I'm gonna feel like damn,

bigger, but, but, but I love this nigga too, you know what I mean? And I don't like that. He's, I don't like that he's doing it with a whole crowd, like shit, you know, you, I don't like that,

“you know what I mean? But, but, but shit, that's not my place to necessarily judge, and if that's how”

he felt, he, he had to go with it, you also engage at the same time, you know what I mean? Like,

so, so, but I absolutely hate and have always hated how they try to, like, do that to him.

And I genuinely pray, it's like, nigga, I'm a fan waiting, like, he telling, he, like, man, I hope this iceman shit go crazy, and I hope he kills that shit. That's what, personally, personally, where you act with them, friendship was today. Oh, I'm in the same place, you know what I mean? Whereas, like, you're, I genuinely love these niggas, but I'm not gonna act like we've been communicating and talking, you know what I mean?

I've had conversations with them, like, at posts, posts, everything, you know what I mean? But it's not like, it's a lot. But that's just, you know, that's me, not knowing where they act. Right. Me, maybe assuming, because I don't hurt X1 and Z, but it has nothing to do with, like, how I actually feel, I'll generally love these niggas. Like, I be wanting this stuff for text, you know what I mean? Like, I ain't gonna lie, but, but even saying that on the mic is kind of

lame to me, but it's just, it is my truth. You know what I mean? It's what it is, absolutely. Like,

“my sister Taylor, she loves you. She was actually on vacation. Where was you at Taylor?”

I was in St. Lucia. She was in St. Lucia. She kind of vacationed short to come back to see you, and I'd say, you know what? She knows more about you, probably, than any of your fans. So I told her, she got a few questions. She made it back from St. Lucia. I don't know what, however, can she flew through or has she got here? But she said, I last 25 years as hell. Getting here just to meet you, because she's been to Dreamville. She's flew to North Carolina

to see your concerts. I appreciate it. So on and so forth. So, Taylor, a few questions. Not come out from coming from one again, number one fan. This is it before we get into the

questions first off. Thank you. 2014 for his house drives really means, like, a lot to me.

For a multitude of reasons, and I'm sure you get that all the time. But also, thank you to you for allowing this opportunity. Yeah, definitely last 24 hours. If I didn't get off that island, 24 hours ago, I would have been stuck through two Fridays. You came just just so you could be here for this. You cut your cutters. Listen, I made mountains move. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate you too. But great interview so far, and I just want to kind of go back on some of the things

that you spoke on, especially with writing. I know in 2021, when you left rock nation, you acquired your masters. How has your writing process been? Maybe it changed for you since having full ownership? The ownership has nothing to do with it. And I also want to say on your platform,

“because I think I said it on a podcast we did, but you know, that's a very small audience”

of people that just spoke with me. But how I even got my masters back in the first place is because Jane, rock nation, agreed to switch my record deal over to a distribution deal. You know, I mean, it was gave me a big, a much larger chunk of ownership than I had previously. You know, I mean, which set me, I just didn't want to say that, because people just think like, I just got my master back, but really it's like, now I got them back a little early, because, you know,

when I had levers, but also, rock nation did the right thing, and like overly bless me,

I switched in there to a distribution deal. And I never said that publicly, I don't think so. I did,

while you asked that question, I did just want to mention that. But the ownership of my music never

But how is my writing process changed? I don't, I don't, I've experimented with multiple,

it used to be one way when I was at that beat machine on a cover of the album. I just sit down in a spot, stay there for two hours, three hours, and just lock in and focus, and like, that was my process. But as I gotten older, I've experimented it. Like, this is songs I got with, like, I'm doing like how future and oozing them do, it's like I'm doing a line at a time. You know what I mean, this is songs that I got where I tried it. It's not my bread and butter,

but I have experimented with it. And as times where, you know, I might just write a verse one day. And it's like, oh, I know it this song is, let me put it away, come back to it right the next first. But the thing that I learned after I said, I failed back in love with this shit and like,

“and that's what got me to the finish line on the album. The thing that I relearned about myself is like,”

oh, wait, I'm a solitude, nigga, I write my best and solitude, like, not just like, oh, I'm in a room by myself, like, no, like, I would start flying up, you know, more full-time dad, really. Like,

my studio's in the crib, my gym is in the crib. So it's like, I'm always around my kids,

even when they're at school, they homeschool. So it's like, I'm always around the kids. What I learned is, if I go to a hotel room, where I can just be in a hotel room all day, write all day, listen to music all day, make a beat all day, fall asleep while working on a beat, wake up, open the laptop and press play on the beat again. If I get two, three days of solitude, let alone, if I get five, that's when I'm like super tapped in and it's like, when I don't,

when I could just, because, and I thought about it, I'm like, oh, yeah, because, nigga, that's what you, that's what you, that's what you was used to. I mean, the college in my apartment, just in my room, dolo, like, writing, but now with kids, I had to remind myself, like, oh, wait, I write good at the house, I'd write some crazy shit at the house, why they write upstairs or whatever. Sometimes I'd have wrote some fire shit, why they write in the living room, and I'm, or why they write in the kitchen,

I'm in the living room. But my desk, where if I know I need to knock some shit out, and I go get two days

“alone, three days alone, why I could just damn, they're feel like a teenager again, or a 20 year old again?”

I, I get so productive, and that's when my pink and really, like, light on fire. So, I don't know if that's a change, but I just, just rediscover how, how important that is for me, if I really want to, like, lock in. It's a query of shit, right there. You gotta be don't know some time, man. We're done. We've heard it. For way four, man. I'm just saying, wait, like, I be out here a lot by myself, because I think better by myself. That's just me too. I don't mean

in a room. I'm sorry. And then on the same shit, I ought to be by myself to be creative a lot of times. That kind of falls into my next question, because I know you did a seven-part series for the release of your new album where you went to different cities in North Carolina, New York, as far as Arizona in the Honda Civic, being that you are considered the big three, what keeps you hungry? Is there something specific to keep that saying hunger that you had

when you were originally going to college campuses and selling, you know, your CDs? That's a great question too. What kept me hungry to get to this finish line was the whole concept of the falloff was born after four to the job that I'm you was talking about. When I got off

that tour for the first time, like, you know, I was chasing the shit, I told you, I'm waiting

outside for Jay-Z, like my whole life was about getting the way I wanted to be in some occasional party. You know what I mean? But like my whole life was getting the way I wanted to be. And so after that album, that tour was the biggest thing I had ever done. The album was the biggest thing I ever done. The singles was going crazy and I didn't even make it to have singles, but the song was going crazy. And so after that tour, I for the first time was like, I sat on the couch,

me and my wife, I just got married. We watched television for the first time. And I had watched TV 10 years maybe, because I was just trying to get it. I sat down. I watched power. I watched fucking, uh, how to get away with murder. I watched narcos at the time. It was a so-called armarmel career like I sat on the couch every day, made beats and watched TV. And I felt for the first time in a long time. I felt comfort. I had not felt comfort in a minute. And with that comfort,

that shit made me start like self-reflecting. My jaw's meditating every day back then. So when you meditate consistently, you're very in tune with your emotions and your thoughts. So this comfort was making me think of myself like, yo, you kind of comfortable. And I had already been think about retiring for some reason at like after born centers. I do, I do one more album and then maybe maybe retire. So I was like, yo, you, you, you, you did what you had to force your job. After that

tour, I'm like, yo, you kind of did what you said out to do. Like my nigga, you made it to the mountain top. Like, are you, you know you could chill, right? Like, yo, you don't gotta keep going. You could, you could retire right now. Like you were saying, do you want to do that? No, I was like, yo, that kind of sound good because I'm liking this. But I had a honest conversation with myself and I'm like,

“yo, are you ready yet? And the thought was like, nah, not yet. Why aren't you ready yet?”

Because when I go out, I want to go out with every ability maxed out. I damn you look at it like

like, speed, stamina, boom, boom, boom. I felt like when I was younger, I had my bars and my

“flows and my ferociousness as a battle rapper because that's how I came up. Like,”

damn, you're like, I can't have this tight battle rapper. Like, all my shit was maxed out. Then when I got storytelling, my storytelling got maxed out. The only thing that hadn't maxed out yet was what for sale job has, which is like the best songwriting hooks, bridge, storytelling, wisdom, boom, boom, like, I was tap all the way in on that album. Put a couple of my sliders on that album. I feel like, went down, like, my, my, my bars. Like, like, the yaddy joined, I got, like, that I'm,

that I'm sitting in your shoulder. It's so, it's that's the rapper that I truly am in my heart for the beginning. I couldn't have wrote that verse when I was having this conversation with myself. And I was like, yo, when I go out, I want to go out on all my abilities maxed. I want to be maxed storytelling, maxed bars, maxed motherfucking wisdom, maxed songwriting, max hooks. So, the thought was, all right, I do one more. There's an album for this feeling. I was like,

there's an album for this, like, when most knickers are supposed to decline and their abilities and they skills as supposed to decline because they get uncomfortable and sitting on the couch and drinking wine and life get better. I'm like, yo, can I do the opposite? Can I go the other way and get better than I was? So, because to answer your question about what kept my hunger is because I imagine a day when I'm not doing this no more. And I was like, yo, if that day comes, what would you regret?

And so, the past 10 years has been me trying to, like, make sure that it ain't no regret.

“You know what I mean? Like, make sure there's no regret that I left on the table. So, that's what kept”

me hungry. I'm like, yo, you said this is what you want to do. I know it would take 10 years. I thought that shit was going to be two, two, three years tops, but it took 10 years and it's like, that kept me hungry of like, yo, don't be 50, 60 looking back like you ain't scraping all off the table, skill wise and ability wise. So, would you say that you're comfortable now that the album drops? Yes. Are you seriously considering retirement? Um, yes, some days, you know what I mean?

And some days I'm like, yo, I got a idea. You know what I mean? But, I didn't make that, I made the album so that if the, let me clear it up too. So, there's like no confusing. I made this album so that if it was my last, I'm cool. And I am. I'm cool. That's my last album. I'm cool. You know what I mean? If I get inspired in a year, two years, five years, 10 years of doing another album, I'm not going to fight. I'm not going to fight the feeling.

Right. But this album is, is what I intended it to be, which is like, yo, I did what I said. Now, it just so happens because of what happened two years ago. I'm very inspired right now, because I fell back and loved with this shit. So, I got ideas for beats for production. I got ideas for verses for songs, like, maybe I do a project. Maybe I don't get inspired enough to do a project.

Maybe I never drop another album again. And if I don't guess what, I don't give a fuck,

because I did this. You know, I mean, I don't know if that clears it up, but it's like,

“basically, what she's saying is don't retire. But that's what it boils down to, like, yo.”

Well, I'm just putting it up for the fan base because it's like, you've given us mix tapes, features, albums. We don't want it to end, right? And also, when, when you drop this, and you did this seven-part series, you showed us a lot more like visuals than normal. And that got us even more excited. And I'm speaking, like, the whole fan base, but just from just from the, the environment, the community that I'm in, like, we want to see more of you even on

the creative side of the visuals, even outside of music as well. We just don't want you to

be retired, go for clues, and then we never hear about J. Cole ever again, you know.

Are you retired with just a tour? You actually do have a vision of like, if I, if I never put another album out, I would want to tour two albums for a sales drive in the fall off. So it's like, every few years, it's a artist, it's a group pink Floyd, a band from back in the days. And I think I think I think to do one of the singers like Roger Plant, a some shit, whatever his name is, forgive me if I fucked it up, but like he was a part of pink Floyd. But he has this album that

like meant a lot to him that they did. I guess he did most of the right end and it's called the wall. And every three to five years, he goes out and he tours this album. I mean, he just turned 80 of some shit or something crazy, but like for the past 30 years, he's been going and touring this album. And that's how I see myself. If I don't put out another album, those albums, those two albums mean so much to me for it to drive in the fall off. That is like I see myself going out

in bare minimum performing those albums. You know what I mean? I would have a level people would have me like if people want to see that shit in the stadium, I do that. They want to see it at a house of

person room, I do that. Gotcha. Yeah, I got one more for. Yeah, I got one more. This one's a little

“off topic related to the other questions, but if you had to pick one dreamville artist to be your”

designated driver for a night, were you trusting the least with the keys? Trust who am I trusting the least with the keys? Yes. Oh shit. The least with the keys? This is a good answer, but I thought she's going to ask me who would I trust the most. She's mean and like who, this is not about like who we get fucked up. This is just about like who can drive the best. This is just like you just don't want to worry about anything. Oh no. From earth game. Johnny Venus.

Really? Brother. Oh, the least. He said the least. Oh, no, no, no. That he would be the most actually because he's smart. Yeah, I was about to say. Yeah, I'm about. I misunderstood the question.

“The least. I don't know. Honestly, I, as nobody there like I wouldn't, I wouldn't trust with the keys.”

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I never see Ari dry. You know what I mean? Like, uh, I never

see Ari dry. We had to ask her how she drives. But I feel like I might remember for some stories from back at a day in Raleigh, but I could be wrong. I mean, when she had to key a solo or whatever, but, um, I don't know. That's a hard question because I would trust them. I would trust them on long day wasn't drinking. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's yeah. Anyway, from your camp camp. I was laying you rocking up, man. Imagine the dream village I can with the air. You fly the day. Oh, oh, I didn't

peek there. I'm happy you can't. Thank you. I mean, so. You got Jay Coleman and get back here, man. Yeah, man. Thank y'all again for tuning in. Another week, talk with flea cold food. Appreciate you, bro. Appreciate you so much. Thank you. Tell a good job, man. Great job. You might, we might need

to step up your job here, man. Listen, I'm always behind the camera. And of course, my luck on the way

back, I'm like, I get the text from Cam. Just be ready. Oh. She's never in front of the camera, ever. You got camera space in that way, too? No, she just, she doesn't do the show. She just did this for you.

“Wow. I'm always behind. She's just behind the camera, man. Yeah, that's what I'm on. Yeah,”

Appreciate you. It was L, okay. I'm so glad we did this, bro. Yeah, me too. Thank you, bro.