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Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. Yeah, that's messed up an SVU podcast, Simlee's a trigger.

And I'm Kara Clank, and every week it's SVU, it's true crime, it's interviews with people from the show and it's chatting in gossip to be honest at the beginning. It's jam packed. It's jam packed today. Casey's watch, she did rivalry.

I have huge news. Kara came in saying she's got something. I mean, we're here to chat. Um, idea. But I can't, I can't believe we fucked up the intro.

I fucked up the cords.

I didn't plug the cord in, like, I'll never blame weed for my behavior, but it's something

to question. It's something to question. And really regular things get me down. And I did just post this on Instagram and I can't believe this happened.

“But like, my lock, you have to really press and go up into the left.”

And sometimes I'm wasted and too powerful. And I, and I bend to the key. And then it's an issue. So then I go to the locksmith and they're taking it as personal. They're like, our keys are key.

I go, you're key making is fine. I go, it's me. It's the door. I'm aggressive. It's not you.

They're like so self-conscious. And then they lured out so much information. He knows where I live, the in-between streets, my super, and my management company. And I'm like, I can't believe I just told him everything when we have a crime podcast. And I know not to give out it.

As I was speaking and saying it, I'm like, why are you telling the locksmith where you live? Yeah, like right before we hopped on this, I like opened my ears on it and your video came up right away. And I was like, oh no, please. I don't know what happened, like anyone can be manipulated as all I'm saying, like, I'm

on edge all times. I'm suspicious. And I gave him everything. But I love my super. I was just an easy way to get information out.

I don't know. Wow.

I think he's a friendly locksmith, or a murder, who's to say, who's to say, I don't know.

I feel like locksmiths must be under, don't they have more, they have to probably like register themselves.

“I mean, you can't just go around being like a person that can break into wherever, right?”

Like, aren't there, is there like oversight of them? I don't know. I don't know. Remember when I know. A lot of locksmithing is like a full scam as well.

We've talked about this as an old school. This is like a brick and mortar, but yeah, I have been scammed and spent over $700 to drill open a lock. But they got their immoral because I didn't, I couldn't prove I was staying there or staying at a friend's house.

So they got they opened the door. Like enough money will, we'll let you in anywhere. Well, you know, when I get spot pay, I just have hundreds and so it's like, sorry, unrelatable, but like, that is how I make money. And so I think he saw the wads of cash in my hands.

And now knows where you live, no separate. These are separates. One was a scam.

This guy's, he's like, you live in the neighborhood who's your super.

I know all the guys. Yeah. And friendly. And then all of a sudden, I go, I'm giving you my cross streets. This is, this is insane.

Yeah. Oh, well, okay, shame. What can I do for the best? We can, for the best. What's up?

Well, I am excited to Casey watch you to rivalry. I went to a birthday party of our friend, Steph toll live over the weekend. And I was with a lot of Canadians. And non-Canadians, but there was a lot of heated rivalry shock. And yeah, I'm excited to hear what Casey, I saw Sophie Buddle.

And she said that two of the people that have smaller parts in it are comedians. And she knows them and stuff. So it's exciting. I mean, any Canadian that's not behind it. Okay, I'm J.K.

Steph still hasn't watched. No, I know. I know she's going to get no. She's, she's doing it out of protest. She's so annoying.

Everyone's annoying. Who doesn't watch it? Casey, you're off the annoying list. You're on the beloved list now. What are your thoughts, Casey?

I would say, honestly. I'm like legitimately nervous for you right now. Like, I don't know what you could say. I don't know what you could say. I don't know what you could say.

Before we started, when he told me, and I go, you didn't like it. I could see it all over your face. And he goes, why would you say that? And look at him now, pausing, pausing.

“Honestly, I would say I absolutely loved it.”

Really? I thought it was fabulous. Yes.

I thought it was, I thought it was incredible.

I was moved to tears several times. I thought it was, here's, I have a real problem with, I'm having like an existential crisis with television right now. We're like so many prestige television shows. It's like a, it's like Judy McCree recent.

She's like nothing happens. I have that same problem. But I felt like he did rivalry every episode was like vital and full and great. And so I loved it. I thought this was a great use of like the mini series format.

And I was, yeah, I was totally moved and I loved it. I loved it. I love that. And as you said, you said that you didn't like the storyline. You didn't care about the, oh, but I take it back after I read the book.

I like love Scott and kept now so much. Like I after I reading the book. I was going to say that, but that, that the episode where Kip comes out of this, I mean, spoiler alert. So we're not.

No, we're not. We're spoiler alert, like these people know if they haven't seen the memes. When Kip comes out of the stands, I mean, the longest walk down in history. Amazing. I loved it.

Oh, I loved that moment. No, I love it all. It's just like I'm so into the a story that like sometimes on my rewatches. But even with Scott and Kip, I've so watched that episode at least eight times. It's not like I'm not into it.

Sure. But I needed to read the book to be more deep into it. I like, because people are saying the long game the next book is so much and they're like, we need more episodes and Jacob's like, no, I'd rather jam pack six and see how much I can put in than like make it longer.

And so it's interesting. And I have that stretch it out. Yeah.

“Yeah, it didn't feel stretched out at all and did you love cinematography and acting?”

I thought it looked. It's very, you know, I feel like people, these are the things I heard before, not from you. But like people were like, it's soft core porn. It's so hard. It's romance.

As Kara and her family says, soft, smooth brain. Putting heads. Maybe I'm just like, you know, I'm in those like extreme art house film streets. I mean, I watched a movie recently where a guy came into his own mouth. So I was like, I'm sorry.

I grew up on skin amaxe. Like, we were seeing like a ton more 20 years ago than we see even see in this show. You don't see it? Yeah. So I was like, yeah.

But I was like, it's sexual because it needs to be because that's like the trajectory of their

It was like, for the plot.

“So that was one thing I was like, that's not like that.”

And then I didn't find it very soapy at all. I found it very like grounded and emotionally, like, everything felt very organic. And like I loved that scene where our hall enders talking to his girlfriend, I guess, or the woman he is like dating. And he's just like, like shaking his head and like you can see the tears in his eyes.

I mean, it was incredible.

I mean, I, there were some really beautiful moments in this. Wow. You're really had me see. I thought you're gonna have some criticism. Well, I had them music.

And that scene is so good. And then music is really good. And it all looks really tight and like it reminded me of like a Steven Soda burger, like, even like a David Fincher movie. Like it just felt like very technically sound.

And yeah, it was great. I loved it. I don't know what else to say. Casey gives it two thumbs up. I can have two thumbs up.

The lighting is so good. I love when it like, I mean, the beginning sort of the show is like so dark. Tonally and then not talk about the tone, like the lighting. And then in the cottage is the full sun light, or even in my end Florida, like I just loved the sunshine, like metaphorically in the song stuff and kept coming down, but also

just like all the sunshine. And then today I saw a new meme, more Jacob Tierney. I guess the note he told, or the way he talks about Shane at the cottage, he's like, it's like a puppy learning how to play. And I was like, that's like so cute.

“I think my one criticism, which is like a very silly criticism, is like, I think”

the first two episodes, there was like so many like two months later, three months. Yeah, I did not know where I was like, I was like, we don't need, I was like, I don't need that exact, I don't know you do because I think it's like, because even how the relationship progresses, they don't see each other for months at a time. Yeah.

They're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're each other two, three times a year. Yeah. And without that, you would, without that, you would almost like you would almost create the illusion that they're seeing each other week after week at different games or whatever, but they're not.

Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, I think it's probably necessary, but it almost got, I was just kind of like, okay, we're going, like it just kind of became kind of like silly to me. But I loved watching their faces text, like I didn't really love watching their face show expressions as they were telling me.

Yeah, I mean, I can understand why there's such a frenzy. I mean, those two leads, I mean, you really fall in love with them. I mean, they're just such beautiful men. They're great. I love that.

I'm just so glad you did.

“Because I think you were kind of like, what's going on with Lisa, we're worried,”

but then you'd understand why people would be in love. Well, I think he's still probably worried a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I still slightly worried. I mean, he's probably listened to a Taylor Swift song that he likes also, but, you know, I think there's still some worry there. That's probably fine. No, before you got on, I told him I'm like, I've read six Rachel read books

on my seventh and he said, all the years I've known you have never heard you

once say you've read a book. I go, I know. You famously say, I don't read. I mean, like, I mean, like, yeah, this book is, I was telling them at the party because I was seeing like people that you know and like our friend Emily and

some other people and I was like, yeah, um, they're like, oh, yeah, I like, I really love you to everybody go, yeah, but with Lisa, it's like rewired her entire like life, like it's like really she's, I'm like, she's up in the morning. She's like going, she's reading, like there's a lot happening, but yeah, it's a full chemical transformation.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. I was reading this week, and also I randomly got,

you know, I always get targeted with these like long New Yorker articles that take like days

to read because they're so fucking wonderful. I wonder if they try to get us through the same one. Would you read? I read the Ronin Farrow one. Do you read it? Oh, you probably posted about it.

“That's how I saw it and then clicked. Okay. Okay. No, yeah. There was another serial killer one”

from like 2022. Some weird one that was like heavily tried to force down my throne on Instagram. But go ahead. Well, this guy, this article is about a serial rapist. And, you know, everybody loves a serial killer, but like this this story, like I got, I mean, Ronin Farrow, I got to give it to him. I've read his stuff before, but like this is like really well research, really well presented. And the article is called How Police Let One of America's most

prolific predators get away. And it's like, I shouldn't be shocked because it's literally straight out of an SVU. If they haven't done an SVU on this one, I checked and I don't think they have. But like there were so many fucking elements of SVU down to the fact that at one point, the police come to present this guy within a rest warrant and he repels out the window with repelling equipment and because people in the area called him Spider-Man. So it was like

the window with repelling gear or whatever. So I was like, it was just so SVU, but there were so many

points in this article where I kept going, oh no, like I couldn't believe, but then I was like,

“why can't I believe? Of course, this is happening. But essentially, it's just about this huge”

cover up in Johnson City, Tennessee where this man was, he had friends that would go get him women, bring them back to his place, drugs, and partying. And then he would, he was keeping a list. Literally, the reason this came to this prosecutor who was the only reason that probably anybody really even knows about this shit at all is because this female prosecutor got obsessed with the case to the point that she got fired because they thought she was too obsessed with it.

Because she was like, why is nobody doing anything about this person? He had a list in his apartment

when they checked it that said of women's names with the word rape to written on top. So like it's

fully out of an SVU and then his crimes get worse and worse if you can believe it as you read the article. But I mean, you know, I hopped the paywall to watch it. I'm sorry to read it, but like it was my kids were like, is mom coming out because it was like my morning to sleep in and I was

“reading this fucking Yorker article. Yeah, it was just listened to it at 66 minutes. I'm like trying”

to mentally prepare how to read things that aren't gay hockey love stories. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely SVU adjacent and it's just like, yeah, this guy was just being fully protected. Well, this is what that happens in stuff because like the whole idea is like, oh, these guys are secretive and it's like, oh, no, they're pretty blatant open. There's I guess he wrote raped over the photos. You know, it's like, well, but that like, and that's the other thing too is like, you think

about Epstein and you're like, oh, this is people with private planes. This is like the upper echelon. This is like whatever this guy was like wealthy for Johnson City, Tennessee. Like he was a, um, he owned a glass and concrete contracting company. Like so he had some money, but it's not like he was, you know what I mean? Like old Illuminati. I don't even compare him in terms of money. I just compared it to the, the boldness. No, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but to me, it's like, it's the whole, this

“really very much gave me Epstein, but on a smaller scale. But and in the sense that like, I'm sure”

with Epstein, there was like millions of dollars and stuff and all this stuff flowing around. This is like, the cops were just getting payments of like a few thousand dollars and they were just like, we're gonna just turn the other cheek. I was reading it on International Women's Day and I was furious. It's just like, I cannot believe that they just didn't give a shit about this guy having any repercussions because he was just hurting women. And then later they find out children, of course.

And also, you know, he's, the, the, the perpetrators of victim abuse as well. Like it, it is the cycle that we talk about all the time. But it's, it's a wild read. Takes a long time, but it's fucking, I mean, he had like a full, he had a guy that was his galane. He had a guy who every single victim was a friend of this guy who would go out and meet girls and go, come on up. Let's party and then fucking nuts and just needed to bring it up. Needed to bring it up. Want everybody to

read it because I'm going to read it. I'm going to read it. I'm going to read it. I'm going to read it. I was in the last time we record. Okay, you guys, the greatest thing in my life happened. Oh my god, what? So, you know, I told you guys, I'll be off camera. That like last Monday night, I got blacked out and unintentionally, but I'm fine. Interrupted Andrew Schultz's set, and then kind of fought with his manager at the bar and was escorted out by a few comedians.

And so, whatever, I don't give a fuck. I'm living my life. And then Thursday, he comes up to me. I'm sitting at the table and he goes, can we please talk? And I go, okay, sure. And for 45 minutes in a booth, I said to him, every thing I've ever said to you, every piece,

like everything I've ever thought, I was like, you will never outlive this. I was like, you will

always be known as someone who had a pedophile, human trafficking fascist and gave a puff piece interview. And I go, and I know you're not sorry because you still haven't donated one fucking dollar to anyone. I said, I want you pepper sprayed in the face and he goes, well, that's not going to happen. But like, everything. I said everything. I've thought about him for over a decade. How much money I want him to donate, everything he's done, I call them a coward, like everything.

Wait, for 45 minutes. And then everyone at the seller table, like when I came back, they're like, what happened? But I mean, it's like, oh, my neck was cranked trying to see it. And then people were, like, obviously watching because they know we don't like each other. And I mean, he sat there and took it and at the end, thanks me. No excuses. No more excuses. And it's self-serving. And I know he's not changed in any capacity. Because I said, you had Mamdania and did you donate that money? He goes,

well, what do you mean? I go, well, you made money off of grifting for someone else. And now you're

embarrassed and like, I've done humiliating things and feeling like everyone hates you. I go, I see

“you as a human. Like you can have those emotions. But to me, it's irrelevant. I'll never forgive you.”

All your fucking friends are all the same to me. I go, you're all the richest of our business. While you bitched and complained about women, gay people, minorities, the whole fucking time. And I go, I go, why don't you have an abortion doctor who went to jail because of like you're voting? How about that on your podcast? Why is it politicians? And I go and you continue to make money? Yeah, you're such a truth teller. If you're such a modern day philosopher, you know,

he goes, how much money? I go a million dollars. A million dollars. He asked you for a number. I am

gagged. I'm so you literally got to do what like everybody wants to do. No, okay. Like somebody goes, get in a booth with one of these fucking podcasters and say whatever you want. It was like he could have walked away after 10 minutes. You got 45 minutes. Yeah, yeah. And then he had to go out. But I mean, up top, I was like, it was unprofessional to interrupt your set. And then he goes, but also, you know, like, to the way that you spoke to my manager, like if I bring someone

talk to me, not them, I go, well, I assume he's a piece of shit if he's working with you. So like, I don't know why I can't talk to him like that. I go pay back. I go pay a family's rent that you've destroyed. I'm like, pay pay. Like, I'm like, the fact that you haven't even thought of a way to like roll up your sleeves and get involved. And then he tried to like kind of get one on me and I went, what you want to say in my hypocrite? I don't know the fuck. Like, I'm not here to give you a thesis. Like,

maybe we can, I go if you need time to think, but I'm like, I feel differently about because he was like, well, mom Donnie talked to Trump. Like, why aren't you as mad at him? I go, are elected official, who tried to get a woman out of ice, who's prioritizing New York City. He was a private conversation. Like, why are you even compared? He's like, I'm not trying to catch you up. I'm like, it seems like you are. And I don't care if you think I'm a hypocrite. Like, I don't have to be, but this isn't a debate.

As I said, I'm like, this isn't philosophical. I'm like, you fucking ruin nights here constantly. I'm like, you fought with me, your mom. Donnie didn't talk to Trump for personal gain. Yeah.

“He's talking to him because he's got, you have to fucking at a certain level talk to the fucking”

president of the United States when you're the mayor of a major city. Oh, and then he's like, do you feel vindicated? I go, no. I go. I'd rather be known as a crazy bitch who is wrong all along than any of this. Did you feel like you were getting through to him at all? No, because he doesn't actually care. He wants to be seen right. He goes, but you admit it, like having a platform. It's good to still platform these people. I go short, but like, unless you have like a family who you've destroyed or an immigrant,

who had to be like sitting in custody, I'm like, it doesn't fucking matter. I'm like, you're not, I'm like, you haven't helped a person. That's all I need to know. That's all I need to know. You feel so bad. I'm like, you have an atone. You haven't been accountable. You haven't done anything. Like you haven't shown it. So, and he goes, why don't want people to think I'm like being performative? I go, if it's authentic, it doesn't matter, but you can also do it anonymously. Like, but the fact that

that wasn't even, you feel bad for your set. Like, that's proof enough. Like, that's all the proof I actually need. That, like, you have it. Because if I was like, fuck, I fucked over immigrants and I love

“immigrants. Like, this is fucked. This is fucked. I'd be like, okay, let me see if I could bail someone.”

Is there a legal aid? I can, I like, yeah, I don't know. And the thing is, is he could have lied and said that he did do some of that shit. And when you said you haven't given a dollar, he didn't even say anything, right? He didn't even say, yes, I have. Whoa. And then he was like, what percentage do I have? I go, it's all of you. I go, it's the culture. It's all of you. You sold out Madison Square Garden and he goes, well, twice. And I was like, exactly. I go, so stop acting like you didn't have an influence, but I'm like,

you're all the same to me, and I'll never forgive you. Because at one point he's like, you're

energy. I go, yeah, I'm see thing. I'm like, my heart is beating fast. I go, it's like seconds me to sit here. I don't know what to tell you. I go, I will never respect you. Like, I don't know what you want. I can't believe that I wish it was on tape. Well, I mean, in time. I feel, I guess I feel bad, like, fully arrogant. Because he's, because he was like, this is what I've wanted. Like, no one will sit down with me. But then, yeah, one of my friends was like, I told another comic. They were

beaming. I sent voice notes to another comic. Who I knew would want to know. And they're like, oh my god, thank God, like, why does any of you want? I wouldn't know. I don't want to. I don't want to. I would, I just, I would not, I don't want to. Well, you don't want to, because his listeners are probably nightmare people. But also, if you, what I'm saying is, oh, he says, you want or not, don't say, I've been wanting to have this conversation. I just want someone to sit down and go

count, count, count, count, or point with me, point, count, or point with me. When you have that opportunity, you are surrounded by people all the time who disagree with you. You could have had any of them on your podcast to tell you what you've done wrong. And you're sitting, you're going, you're the first person brave enough, Lisa. Like, come on. No, someone said that to me. I go, no, my mom used to fight at work all the time. I'm like, it's kind of a genetic thing. It's like,

there's no bravery or like, true. I wish I could call myself job. But it was also this isn't your duty. This is in your duty. But it was also a post hypnosis. It was my first hypnotherapy appointment. It was like a few hours after that. So I was locked in. Wow. It's like locked in.

Wow. Wow. Wow. Feeling free. This is amazing. I'm obsessed. Yeah. Because I went in being like,

to the next day. Like, I went to someone that worked. I was like, oh, my in trouble. They're like,

“I don't think anyone saw anything to do. And I was like, yeah, I guess not. But now I'm talking”

about it on the pot always. But he wants to breathe. He wanted, he called you over to talk about it.

So it's like, you're not instigating. But I mean, it's good that you apologize for interrupting his sex. Well, I made sure not to say the words I'm sorry. So I didn't apologize. You said it. It was unprofessional in appropriate. It was, you know, just respectful as a preferred one. Do we not do it? But I can acknowledge that it was not a good thing to do. That's when I also told his manager because he's like, say it to the space and he knows what I feel about him. And at the end of the

day, I'm not like, richer successful enough for him to care what I actually think about him. You know, I mean, like, but he sat there. It was like a dream come true. I've been writing that time. Did you live in New York? Oh, that's another thing. He goes, can I tell you why I voted for him in

2024 or whatever? Because he didn't vote for him in the other elections. But he was, I go, I don't want,

“I don't know. No, and he goes, can I just tell you for me? I go, fine. And so he said that he thought,”

like, the institutions would hold strong. Like, that the institutions would not fail. And I said, and you're in New Yorker, you claimed to be in New Yorker. And you didn't know this mother fucker was a bankrupt mother fucker who came and started charity in the city. As in New Yorker, you thought the institutions wouldn't fail from this bit, like, at least other people are public servants. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? But whatever, it's like, think, I don't know,

whatever, we're here. It is what it is. We're in a war and good, good for you. Like, anyone, he's like, what percentage, I'm not the only one, like, bull. And it's like, it doesn't matter. All of you did it. And now we're here. And now we're here. Suffering. People are suffering. Yeah. Fuck. Oh my god. Yeah, I was like so cool. The people's princess, everybody, Lisa Trader, I'm really hot. I'm like, that is not what I thought you were going to say. That is

fucking great. That must have felt good. What'd you do after? Oh my god, I went back to the table and everyone was like, um, what happened? And then I got people so riled up, like, like, a guy who doesn't really drink that often, like, he got a martini, I ordered a Manhattan. I'm like, I need a celebratory drink. And then everyone just got riled up and kind of, like, pumps, because they, everyone feels this way. Yeah. And then I had probably won too many Manhattan's had a fun set

and like walked home and then probably had to be up at 6 a.m. to do stuff because I keep getting drunk. But like, and then wait. And then he went up and did a set and did he like for himself? Oh, I don't know. Like he had the, because when I said down to the table and I looked at the schedule, I saw his name a few times that night and I was like, okay, so I am going to see him and I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I'm sure I'm going to have to interact with him. I did like screw. Yeah,

scream, I fucking hate you during your set. So, like, you know, say, all between my legs, I don't know if you thought it was going to go different than I would just apologize and be like, I don't know. I don't know what he thought. I'm glad he sat for it. He didn't raise his voice. He took it all. He was really like, I was saying my colleague was not expecting that you were just like fully ready to unleash like that and that he probably thought if I go to her calm, she'll be like,

hey, sorry about the other night. I know that we're just different and it's okay. Like we can,

“we can have different opinions. That's what companies all about and you were like not today, bitch.”

I'm obsessed. Not so bad. It felt really good. And then I saw Joy Alley yesterday and I was like, do I have a story for you? Like, people just hate him so much. It's like, like, everyone kind of gets like a fun moment out of it. Yeah. So it's pretty exciting. Brought to you by he did rivalry, honestly. Yeah, it's made these a more positive, but also willing to channel the negative into a

positive, you know, conversation ultimately. I think that's awesome. Oh my God, doing the fucking

work that I'll, I mean, what a what a what a sleigh. What an opportunity. I'm so, I'm, you know, you really are just, no, you, I think you inspire, you and you have had inspired me a lot, but you, I know you inspire a lot of our listeners to be more like people like people accountable. Yeah, there are definite consequences throughout the years. I'm sure, but the way I feel after this, like, I've definitely feel emboldened. Like, I felt nice. Because I said to him,

I go, I've been talking shit about you for like over a decade. So it feels nice to kind of just say it to your face to be honest. I love, oh my God. And then when like getting up, were you just like, okay, bye. Oh, I want to just take it. And it's me going, you guys, I just got to confront an enemy. Like, I'm riding high. Like, no, I have a jack on the rocks on stage. And I'm, I'm like, in my Bhabar sweater. But like, when you, when you were leaving him, are you like,

okay, I'm done. Bye. And just got up or like, you think me, he said, if I wanted his number, I declined. And he went downstairs. And I sat at the table, kind of, everyone wanted to recap.

You know, a few black people gave me really nice handshakes in a way that felt the same.

“felt like better than a parade to be honest. Right. Right. Go the same as a parade. I love that.”

I love that. But then there was one girl case. So I'm telling the story from the night I was blacked out. And I'm telling, I was like, well, then I talked to you. She goes, I had long gone. I go, what are you talking about? She goes, I wasn't there. I go, the whole time I've been retelling the story, I'm like, you've been there. I'm like, you've been there. Like, I guess I,

she's like, I had left. Not in my mind. She's always okay. Casey just gave us the 30,

but this was worth, I know. I've never been, I usually don't want to be a such a brag, a bragger, but like my Simpson's here rivalry thing is really cool. And this is really exciting. So that's that. And I read an article about a serial rapist. You can also check that out. Okay. We're starting. Lisa's website. She's going to be emberling to this weekend. Go check out. And today's the Patrick's Day. I'll be blacked out. You could find me on the streets of New York.

My best friend's leaving town. But Lisa takes it off like a religious holidays. We will not be recording on that day. But I'm a religious holiday for the trigger family. Julia's fucking leaving town.

It's like the rootest things she's ever done in our friendship. Oh, no. And then I message

others Chicago and Irish loving people. And they're like, I might be truly alone in a green dress. Like, I don't know. You're going to find, no, no, things something's going to come up. That doesn't happen for you. Come on. Someone is around and we'll drink. Come on. But I need them up at 10. I want to be up at the bar. If they need to be at it all day, I want to be. We'll bring some names. This is crazy. Okay. But if you go to that's messed up live.com. You can get links to LisaTrigger.com with all of Lisa's

show. She's in Vermont. You can get links to our merch. We've got our Louis Louis whatever shirt. Steph told everyone I brought up earlier in the episode. We are interviewing her on the Patreon this week. And she's a huge SVU nut. She actually told me a huge SVU thing that I can tell you off camera. But or off, whatever Mike. And but so come check out our Patreon. We we talked about the tyrodoc. We've got a lot of good episodes. Somebody wrote us. I was like, are they all going to

be about housewives? I'm like, no, they're not. Just the first two happened to have a little bit of a

housewife theme. They're all over the place. We have some really fun episodes coming up for the Patreon. So that's patreon.com/that's messed up. Anything else, Lisa? No excited to start a classic episode, classic episode. A hot one. All right. Today we are doing the episode Hot House. Season 10,

“episode 12. And if you're thinking to yourself as this recap goes along, I think I've heard this before.”

Maybe you were at Zainee Chicago in June of 2022. We did do the show once live on the road. I'm sick. I'm sick. People were for yeah, it was a little it's a little iconic episode because Sarah Highland's performance is widely regarded to be one of the best guests episode performances. I think of this franchise's history. But it's really not, or even our PowerPoint skills. I don't think could could fluff this baby up enough to be, you know, a fun summer night out material.

It's just a lot of zoom in on a dead child's body. It is what it is. It's a little graphic for the stage. Yeah. I mean, there's also two red herrings that are also awful. And then what actually happens is awful. And then there's another layer to that. So it's like, you know, it's not great. It's not good. But there is some rush in. So that's exciting. Yes. We're leaning in. We're leaning in. To nothing. Yeah. Just this episode. We're happy. I would say a classic is on the Loni era from 2009. It's so weird.

“I mean, someone actually asked me recently. They're like, oh, Russian, like, what are your thoughts on Russia?”

And it's like, I love Putin. What are you talking about? What are my thoughts on Russia? Like, it's terrible. I think people should be gay and have the news. Just like love Russia. Is that why you're loading the language? Like, yeah, it's so strange. But I guess there are people that believe in this Russian war, I guess. But like, where? Not here. Maybe an oligarch or two. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know when I've talked to you.

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New episodes drop every week on the exactly right network. Listen to Dear Movies, I love you on the iHeart Radio App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so we open on people doing Tai Chi outside in the freezing cold on the river

“and Manhattan, couldn't be me. The instructor asks, is anyone know what the next move is?”

And this older woman goes body and water, and the instructor's like no asshole. It's snake creeps down. And she's like, no, I mean, there's a body in the water, unemasing opening. This woman didn't know any of her, like, I don't even know what the word in like

But she actually does know that it's there's a body in the water.

“Melinda, now is there with Benson and Stabler. We're getting the full load down.”

She couldn't have been in the water long. She's got a massive head wound. And she was alive when the attack happened because, like, her blood was pumping. And she has puncture wounds to the breast scars all over her body. She's half naked wearing jewelry. So obviously, Benson and Stabler barely ever look for another

context clue. They're always like sex worker, right? They're like trick gone wrong.

Melinda's like, or angry pimps syndrome. And then Stabler peeps her trybar cross, which he obviously knows his Christian jewelry by heart. And he's like, that's Russian Orthodox. And Benson points out like, wow, this girl was beaten and tortured, but still believed in God. And Stabler goes, you think he would have protected her just a little bit. And it's like, I don't know dude, it's season 10 of this show. God, it's not protecting any of these girlies.

“Like, how many girls have you seen on the fucking pavement with their heads blasted open?”

God's not out there for them. Okay. So then that's the credits. At top of act one, Melinda's house, she's like, okay, well, I can tell you that the victim is 14 years and two months old,

because we carbon dated the crystalline proteins in her eyes. Oh, fuck yourself.

Some telling you, man, the science, the science. So she was dead before she hit the river. She got four blows to the head. She has a lot of long-term injuries like her wrist has been reset with a pin. She's got cigarette burns, other scars. And they're like, well, we'll just find the doctor. Who did the wrist surgery? And she's like, best of luck. You're not going to. She said, isotope analysis of her hair shows that she's been in New York the last couple of months before

that. She was in Ukraine. So Benson and Sabler immediately jumped to this girl's been sex traffic. And Melinda's like, well, I know of an organization that helps traffic girls call my

“girl Grace Metgath. So now we're at the very, very simply named Center for Abused Women.”

And Grace doesn't recognize the picture of this girl. But she says Kiev to New York City is a major traffic in corridor, the economy over their sucks. These traffickers tell the girls, you're going to have all these opportunities and a great life in the US. What they get is life in hell, which, you know, shocker, it's kind of life for all of us now. But she tells the stories of all these different girls that have been abducted and shipped abroad. One of these girls sold her daughter

and her little sister for 50 euros. So that's not a lot of money. The traffickers change their names like you change underwear. She says to Benson. And it's like, okay, so I can assume once a day, they change their names. And then they, she says, we pulled a girl from Kiev last summer out of a brothel in Queens. She's still here. She's too afraid to go home. And she's constantly afraid that her kidnappers will kill her. And they're like, give us the name. And she's like her name's

Veronica Pinkovich. She works in a laundry and she pretends she doesn't speak English. So Olivia goes to laundry to see this girl. And I thought I recognized this actress, but I don't. And she is from Transylvania, though, which shout out to hotel Transylvania level. It's so funny. So, you know, obviously Connor's story cover of Vogue, but it was like Vogue, Adria. And I was like, what the fuck is that? Like, it was like a commotion in the morning when the new photos dropped, but then it was like,

what exactly is? What is that like, Adriatic? Okay. So my friend message me, and it's basically, so it's Albania Bosnia. Herzgavina didn't know about that. Croatia, Italy, Montenegro, and Slovenia, but it's like, are we going to be able to get our hands on this magazine? I'm not sure. If we have any listeners in Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia, Slovenia, please send these out copy. We would really appreciate it. And Herzgavina, I mean, I hope we have a listener there.

Yeah, it's crazy when I look at where the listeners come from. We do have a few kind of everywhere it feels, but if you're listening, please, um, can't be a magazine. Can't be a magazine. Can't be a

yeah. But so this actress is like very pretty and is from Transylvania, but I've never seen her

anything else. Um, she's like, I don't know this girl. And if you found me, my trafficer is going to find me like what the fuck? She's panicking and lives like tell us, tell us like who he is and we'll get you transferred out of New York City. And she's like great. I'm, get me on a ticket out of here. And then she tells live his name is Alek. He smuggled her in and made her a sex worker. And she has a cell phone number, but he'll never talk to a cop. Not a problem because the NYPD has a wardrobe budget.

Okay, at Little Odessa Cafe, Olivia struts in with her sex trafficker swagger. And the look is a big step up, I would say, from the blue leopard satin that we see when she's working Superbowl Sunday, right? Like she's in like a sort of skirt suit with a fur draped over one side, leather gloves, you know, I don't know what the budget is over there to my PD for the undercover ops, but she looks

21 blouse being like, I need ladies, you know, she is playing Claudia. And she needs, well,

“she said Claudia, but I think he said it Claudia. So I was like, that's what it is.”

She needs eight girls, newcomers, the younger, the better. I mean, straight out of the Epstein files. And she's like, I'm from Chicago, bitch, I'm from Chicago. And she's like, I need and he's like, why don't you shop at home? There's a lot of pretty girls in Chicago. And she's like, I need girls from my clients that are here. And they like variety. And flying them from Chicago is too risky. I'm not putting these girls on planes. One of your girls gave me your phone number,

told me to phone you. I like when she says phone you. She's like trying to use more international language. And Olivia is like, okay, if you don't want to talk about this, I'm leaving.

Like, she bluffs that she's going to bounce. And then he bites. He's like, wait a second.

Next thing we see three teens on a dirty couch. Olivia is inspecting their tea. This scene has handed me forever. The teeth are wild. Well, and isn't there also, yeah, don't they? Yeah, it's it's a tough one for me. Well, the first two girls have perfectly fine teeth. And then the third girl, I mean, like, it's really not okay. Like, I don't know how they thought they were going to get away with that. And she goes, this one's teeth are rotten mess. You got to get off the

meth honey. And then he's like, my girls don't do drugs. And then Olivia checks the toes and is like, oh, like, right here where I see the toes, the heroin marks or whatever. And she tells Aliq, no deal on cheese teeth. But I'll take the other two. And then she says, um, it's a done deal into her sleeve. And that cues the cops who bust down the door immediately, fins leading the charge. He grabs Aliq and smacks his head into like a stairwell by accident, which is, quote, unquote.

I will say you say, oh, yeah, Alec. Oh, I'm just saying it the way the first girl said it,

but Aleq, because Benson was saying Aleq. Yeah, that's like more than that's like the English version

“of it, but it's like, that's what they meant. Yeah. So Aleq, okay, Aleq. So in cement room bars,”

Aleq is helping them, um, he's like, I'm helping these girls. I'm helping them find work. It's the American dream. And then they show a picture of the victim. And he's like, well, that's not me. I've been in Miami all week. You can check my tickets on my hotel. And they're like, oh, in my amy trolling for more girls. And he's like, don't make it sound so tragic. Their lives aren't that bad. And lives like, okay, so like daily beatings, rape exposure to HIV, that's the good life. And he's

like, it's better than in Ukraine, rotting their livers on grain alcohol and trading sex for drugs. I give them nice clothes, food, a place to say. And he's like, you know, it's a shame. The girl, this girl didn't deserve to die like that. He's not, she's not one of mine, but I do know who she is. And then he's like, I want to deal. And Stabler goes cough up a name. And the guy does a fake cough and goes nope, nothing. And, you know, Stabler goes, you know, your balls are in a vise. And he's

like, all right, listen, I don't do American time. You deport me to Ukraine. And I do my sentence there. So our least favorite ADA of all time. Great. Like, is on the other side of the glass with Krigan. And she's like, yeah, right, he's going to go back to Ukraine. Do like three weeks of time by his way back out. He'll be trafficking in like a month. And Krigan is like, yeah, well, we'll give his file to Interpol. Like, at least he'll be on international watch lists. Like,

that'll slow him down a little bit. And Graylick is like, well, a deal makes us look soft. And Krigan's like, not finding the killer makes us incompetent. So Graylick walks in. And he's like, boss lady. And she's like, save the grin, ass wipe. And she, he gives it up. He goes, her name is Elsa Lichkov. But guess what? She's not a working girl. She's one of those genius math kids. I've just seen her in the Ukrainian newspaper. So it's great that this guy not only keeps up on

hometown news, but memorizes the names of these girls that are geniuses. Yeah. So that he's tracking her and tracking like math athletes as well. Yeah. Yeah. This smart like, Elsa Lichkov. I got my eyes on her. She's one in the math prize. Okay. So like, this guy's, it does the deal still stand that he's like, I just know who she is from the papers. Um, but now we see a video of Elsa winning the Bradshaw prize for applied mathematics and scroll, if slick. This little actress

looks like a baby. She's like, I am so excited that my paper on dense triangle free graph conjecture has won this prize. This is my dream. And she's the youngest winner ever. She goes to the

morewood school, stable girls. Never heard of it. And it's like, duh, it's not a Catholic school.

“That's why I've never heard of it. Fingos, I know it. It's a genius factory. So my classmate's got”

shipped off there, but they never came back. And they're like, oh, where'd they go? And he's like, MIT, Caltech, Harvard, like, these people go on to do huge things. And then we go back to the Elsa video. And she goes, this is the most exciting moment of my life. And she's just like, grinning and hugging this math prize to her body. So yeah, she, you know, math is very happy.

but she loves it. At the morewood school, they're walking and talking with, I don't know,

“dean of admissions, principal, whatever you call it. And she's like, oh, what a tragedy.”

She was about to get into MIT. Like, she does not think air. Really, that the girl is dead at 14 years old, that that she was about to get into MIT, which at 14 also is totally due Gehauser territory. She's been in more wood for one year. This woman explains that Elsa was only in Ukraine for an extended family trip to visit her dying grandmother. She's a US citizen. She was born in the US and all the students board at this school. So we didn't even know she

was missing because she signed herself out for the weekend. She left at noon on Saturday. And she wasn't due back until tonight. So how about her parents? And she goes, well, they're supportive. They know Elsa needs genius training. And she's, they're like, maam, can you tell us anything about the broken risks and the cigarette burns? And this woman is not at all taking it back that one of her students was abused. She's like, are you insinuating that that happened

at more wood? Like, she's as big of a, like, achievement freak as the students are. Like, she just doesn't even, she's not like, oh my god, she had cigarette burns on her. That's terrible. And they're like, tells about her relationship with the teachers. Well, she outpaces some of them intellectually. But there's no animosity. She's pretty funny. I feel like teachers are usually pretty. There's an animosity when a kid is smarter than you. Other students, she says they are all

competitive here. But they are fiercely loyal to one another. Are there any loyal friends we can talk to? Well, she was close with her roommate Jennifer Banks. So now we are in the dorm room meeting

“Jennifer Banks. And it's haily done for herself, Sarah Highland, who I think is so great in this episode.”

We've also seen her in the other episode with Boschware, right? No, she has not the Bosch one. No, not the Bosch one. But she's not in gymnastics. Wait. Oh, wait. Let me look. She's a little kid. Yeah. I think it's a family, like a dad pedophile family and maybe someone lies. Yeah. Let me look here. They killed the dad, but he's actually not a pedophile. And the therapist was lying

as he and she and that one. Yeah, she's in an episode from season three. The first episode of season three

called Repression that the therapist is bringing back false memories. God, I'm good. That felt good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So she's crying. I remember. Yeah. Yeah, and that episode is from she's good. And I loved her. I like haily funny. Yeah, she did. I love her. I saw her at a person. Not absolutely wondering. No, she's not. And I started a party in sadly did not say hi, but I should have been like, please be on our podcast. And she just went saying at the Thanksgiving

day parade and she did, she nailed it. Oh, yeah, I forgot. She's like a great singer. Yeah, she's like very talented. All right. So we're in this dorm room. We're with Sarah Highland and she's like, I can't believe it. Elsa was my best friend. And she said, no, she wasn't fighting with anyone. And the teachers all love her. She's the smartest kid in class, even after she stopped studying. Everything

came easy to her. She never had to cram. All she does is win, win, win. And Jennifer plays chess

and is nine points away from becoming a candidate master and the school hired two grand masters to coachers. So Jennifer also got stuff going on. Okay. What was Elsa up to when she was not studying and Jennifer acts like sketchy and goes, I don't really know. And Olivia goes, tell me and she goes, okay. And then she's like, that's it. Olivia just goes, no, but tell me and she goes, all right. And then she spills the T and she says, Elsa would sneak out at night. She didn't have a boyfriend, but she flirted

a lot. And she's like, I don't know where she went because she wouldn't let me go with her. I thought you were best friends. If you're as like immediately what, but she don't want anyone see her be bad. So when she snuck out, she dressed kind of slutty and then she pulls out the duffle bag with patent leather pants, a mesh thong, et cetera. And Jennifer goes, we have a dress code like you could get to marriage just for having that stuff. And if her dad found out and she goes, well, what's the story with her

dad? And she was like, well, Elsa wouldn't talk about abuse, but when she changed, I could see the scars and the burns on her skin. So now, yeah, now we're at the litch cough house in Queens. And the father is distracted me because he sounds like grew from despicable me. Okay. And I would love it

“if there were some minions in this episode. And he's like, Elsa has a genius. You have to let her.”

And she was recruited from, and she's like, he's a genius prodigy like me. I know how she feels. I was recruited from Ukraine to do aerospace shit here in the U.S. And they're like, okay, well, why did you send her away? And he's like, more, what was the best place for her? A superior intellect does not come around very often. Elsa's gift had to be nourished. And then he goes, mothers caught all too much. And the mom is so sad and cradling a photo of her dead daughter while

and stabilers like, oh, like, a dislocated shoulder or being burnt by cigarettes. And the dad puts out a cigarette. And he goes, did you save her goals? Did you know she was thinking out of

school and discipline her? And the dad goes, I never raised a hand to her. And stabiler gets

“kissing distance away from Mrs. Litch cough and goes, do you know anyone that would hurt Elsa?”

And she looks terrified. And, you know, says no. And he goes, I love Elsa. She's all I live for. Like he just keeps like the way he talks this guy is so crazy to me. I don't think this actor is even Russian, but I think he plays a lot of Russian characters. But the dad starts to flip and says, stop wasting my time and find the bastard who killed my shining star. So now, we're back at the precinct where Finn is giving us the lowdown on pop a litch cough. And he worked

for Boeing for six months and then got fired. And then Lockheed hired him and he got fired off

for a few months there also. So it sounds like our genius is a dummy. So he supports the family

through scams and Ponzi schemes. He has 13 fraud cases against him right now. Nothing violent, but bank leans up the Wazoo according to Finn and he owes the IRS 100k. So that could drive someone over the edge, but live goes to torture your only child. And then we hear he tortured both of us. We spin around and we see the actress, I a cash from you're the worst standing there. And she's like, I'm Katrina Litchgoth, Elsa's older sister, the one my dad threw away. So and she's in a little

dying lady uniform. Yeah, she's like a little designer uniform and she's got bangs. And so now they're interviewing Katrina and she's like dad said get with the programmer get out. And the program was unwavering dedication to intellectual superiority from the moment they were born. She Katrina has an IQ of 135, which is high. I was looking it up and it's like, I guess 100 is kind of average IQ. 115 is like gifted, but like anywhere above 30 is pretty up 130 is pretty smart.

And then daddy and Elsa were both 165. She said, which is Einstein territory. And then

“they said, well, she died leaving the school to visit your parents. Do you think your dad did it?”

And she's like, well, you know, there's a secret area where he used to teach us, quote, unquote, I'll show it to you. So at the Litchgoth house, Katrina brings Benson and stable her downstairs into a freezing cold basement. And they're like, wow, it's freezing cold down here and Katrina goes, that's funny because my dad used to call this hot housing, which is an actual verb to which it means to educate a child to a high level at an earlier age than his usual. So like you could say,

that school has a reputation for hot housing at students, but also a hot house where you grow an orchid, Benson points out like making something grow faster. So there's the name of the episode you can drink or puff or whatever you're doing. According to the dad, cold stimulates the mom. You could do a jumping jack if you don't want a substance. Yeah, yeah, just get that like

“high that you get from doing a couple of jumping jacks. And I just won one single jack, a solitary jack.”

I had to do a hundred jumping jacks in the bar with jacks and clad. I did do a hundred jumping jacks in a boxing class last week and it broke my spirit. Oh, really? What happened? It was so hard. It was just so many jumping jacks. I was like accounting to a hundred. I don't want to do that.

But so she basically Katrina's reliving some of this. She starts reciting a math rule like the slope.

He's only equal to its bars and slams a yardstick on the table. And so she goes, I learned that on my six birthday and then shows them scars on her arm. And then Sabler notices rice on the ground and he goes, what's with the rice? Did he force you to eat down here too? And it's like no dumbass. He made them kneel on the rice while he drilled them. And she says, you know, at first it's not so bad, but then it digs into your skin. And we see these like rice-shaped scars on her

knees. It's like so fucked. And that feels like it was a very big, big thing that happened in like ancient times. Like there was like a church near where I lived in Rome that was like famous for making people do penance by like walking up the staircase on their knees with rice on it. Like that just that was what that reminds me of and it feels like a church. Yeah. And old school torture like device. So she goes, I went to school down here till I was 16 and then last year he

kicked me out to devote his time to Elsa. And she's like my dad was right. Look, I could only get a job as a waitress and Olivia's like the voice of reason. She goes, girl, you were 16. You didn't even get a chance to go to college. Like no one's really hiring a genius 16 year old to do anything without like a college degree, you know. She's like, and I couldn't say my sister, I wanted to take

is to intense. And they're like, yeah, but apparently it wasn't even that hard for her. So the pressure's not really hitting with Elsa. She goes, no, the pressure to make money. More would give her a scholarship, but they also paid my dad a bonus for sending her there. Plus, he entered her into competitions for prize money. So they're getting the picture that she's the family cash cow. And suddenly, the mom and dad come home. And the mom is like, Katrina and the dad

goes, stop it. She is dead to us. And she goes, you're trespassing and I'm pressing charges, but stabilore arrests him immediately for assaulting Elsa. So back in cement room bars,

grew is like, I would never hurt the Elsa. She's my pregnant joy. And lives like, well,

short snager there at the end. I know it's I'm having hard time. I really, I've seen a lot of it's great. No, it's really like my minions, but like then I'm going Schwarzenegger. I need help. I need another I need a coach. So lives like, well, she missed a math problem and then what

“you beat her like a mule. And then he's like, well, it worked for me. That's how I was taught. And I”

got my PhD at 23. And now we're intercutting between live and the dad and stabilore in the mom. And Cragans on walkie kind of playing both sides, relaying all the information that they get from the wife to live. Who I guess is like wearing an earpiece like a football coach. I've never really seen them do that, but here they are. The mom is like, actually, the mom is actually outing the dad as like a flop genius. Like he failed his PhD exam. So they moved to the US and he just told

everyone that he had a degree. And lives like, whoa, what about that? And then Cragans like bring up the PhD and claims like, you sure about that PhD honey? Because we heard it doesn't exist. And he's like, I'm very smart. And then he's like, I love Elsa. What about Katrina? You kicked her out for not being a genius. You love her too. And he's like, I was only trying to provide for my family.

Katrina was never going to succeed. I couldn't waste my time on her. Yes, she was probably just going

“to go to like a regular like Ivy League school and like not, you know, just become a lawyer or”

something like really, really bad. This man is unhinged. And I bet you most CEOs don't even have a high IQ. Like I don't even think IQ is what's supposed to be associate. Yeah. Yeah, you just have you associate and I give a fuck. I'm right on the mission and no empathy. Yeah. Yeah, pedophile, associate CEOs. That's everything we're run by. And then all these little cooks are just like whatever you want. Pedophile daddy's. Yeah. So crazy. So back to the wife. She ain't happy. Okay.

She's like, he's always getting fired going to the casino to play cards, losing all our money. She goes, I had to get a job cleaning offices. Then a second job and live there like live. He's a gambler. So now she goes, you piece of shit. You're living it up in Atlantic City while your wife breaks her back cleaning. And he's like, yeah, I count cards. It's easy money. And she's like, only if you're good at it, you lost 80k on blackjack in the last year. This guy is a flop with

“delusions of grandeur. Oh, my God. So they're like, so you need it. I'll also to make money. And he keeps”

being like, I never heard her. So we cut to the mom who's like, I saw the bruises and the burns.

And he kept telling me it's what's best for her. And her grades showed that she was succeeding. So I let him do it. I let her hurt my baby. And I just like don't know if I feel bad for this dumb bit or not. Because I'm sure he was hurting her, too. Like, but she was like allowing it to happen. And she allowed him to like, you know, exile her older daughter as well. So I don't know, I can't decide. Live is pushing the dad, sila, accusing him of murdering Elsa after she started rebelling. And

then he freaks out. He stands up and starts bashing his own head against the wall going, "Forgive me Elsa, forgive me. It's soup. It's wild." Like, we haven't really seen a self-headbash in a while. Live tries to stop him. She's very shocked. And she like had bash as definitely jar. Yeah. Yeah. Like, maybe it's stable or doing it, you know, or a curb grabs Wong and put some up against the wall. We don't really see them doing it themselves. And he does it until he passes out.

And then Craig and Yelle's someone call a bus, which is also sort of SVU bingo. I would allow you to drink also for that. So dad is now at the top of act three, getting wheeled off of a structure with around the head bandage. Finn Pipes in with some bad news for the case. The casinos in Atlantic City say daddy dumbass was down there for like two full days. So he's not the guy who killed Elsa. Let's take another look at the school. They go speak to three kids at the

school who have a rap sheet. The first is a nerd who got busted for arson. And I don't know why, but I looked this guy up because I was like, oh, I wonder what if he's done anything else? And he's played by a guy named Eric Gores and he is the son of a billionaire who was a Forbes billionaire named Gores. I forgot the guy's first name. And he used to live next door to Tom Arnold and he was in a movie with Tom Arnold called The Kid and I where Tom Arnold has to like write a sequel to a movie

rebel palsy as this actor Eric does is going to want to be in the movie. So I I think it's like

“probably like a touching buddy movie about overcoming your adversity and like also finding your”

purpose after your washed up. I guess I'm assuming from the cover. And anyway, this kid is like, I was doing chemistry. I knocked over a bunston burner and they're like, yeah, but the cops said there was accelerant. He goes, duh, I need accelerant. That's the organic compounds I need for my research. I'm not like a kid playing pyro. Okay. I have three patents and I'm going to Harvard in the fall. So let's move on next nerd. He was like, I was with my older brother for a breaking and

entering robbery when I knew what was going on. I ran. The judge bought it made me a deal with my

parents and sent me to more wood, which he said is basically the same as jail. So he's being punished as

well. The last kid is a douchebag. Okay. He's maybe the only one we've talked to so far with social skills, but he seems like a douche. He got accused of rape too and he goes, there wasn't even any sex. But he's like, but I rejected this girl when I told her it was one and done and she flipped out. And it's like, but one and done means that there was sex. Do you like, I don't know if you

“understand that. So like, the something about that story is not actually getting the more wood, huh?”

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, he's like, this, he's like, my story doesn't really matter. Like, what do you want to know about Elsa? She liked older guys and, and Finn goes, how old? And he goes, oh, not like pervy old, like you and Finn is Stoneface. Zero reaction. It's amazing. I love it so much. A former grad. He says named Danny Burke. He lives in Newark now. He's a former grad of

more wood. So now we're at Danny's place. And he's 23 years old. And he's never dated Elsa, but he

met her at a party and he became like a big brother to her. I mean, again, this goes back to like Drake and Millie Bobby Brown. Are we needing to in our 20s, be big, big brother, sister figures to teens, not in an official capacity, like through the big brothers and sisters of America organization. Like, I don't know, not through a cousin, not through like a family friend, just like a, you know, so who knows? I don't know. But Olivia is like, oh, wow. Yeah, I'm sure she really

wanted to like be like her big bro in this dump of an apartment and giving up a promising future for a dead end life in this dump. She says, and he goes, yeah, whatever, but it's my dump. And I don't have to do what they tell me to do. And he starts imitating the indoctrination at more wood. Like, while he plays on some weird sound bar, which I did look up and it's called a Theraman. It is a unique touchless. A lot of looking up. You know what? The Theraman was in my subtitles. So I just Google

what it was. Okay. And because it says strums Theraman, you know, like play, I know about it. Like in, you know what it is? I know about it. Oh, okay. I didn't know what they were. It's because I saw video on the internet of a, like a woman got one for Christmas and she was so happy and it was just like,

“I'm fun to watch her. Oh, that's why yeah. Yeah. So that's why I know that like an old time. It's not”

like an old time past time of mine. It feels like something like Reggie walks would love to have a part of his ass. You know, it's like a touchless electronic instrument that was invented by a Russian physicist Leon Theraman in 1920. So, you know, Russia's given us some gifts. The Theraman being won. He says, more wood, this guy Danny goes, more wood was toxic. I dropped out a month before graduation. I couldn't take it anymore. Neither could Elsa. We just wanted to be kids. Not

their fucking robot. She hated it there. She wanted to weigh out. I mean, she looked pretty happy, clutching that math prize, but I guess she was a good actor. And then they're like, oh, away out, like through a window dressed like a slut says stable or okay. They bring up the slutty clothes. And he's like, you guys got it wrong. That's not Elsa. And they're like, well, we heard that from Jennifer. And he's like, well, Elsa hated that little bitch. Like, she like bought her way into more wood,

but she was never as smart as Elsa. And she was pathologically jealous of Elsa. She begged her to

tank just one exam so she could be number one. So, wow, this 23-year-old guy really knows what's up with all the 14-year-olds at his old high school. Like, he really is just tuned in to what's happening at the old alma mater. Elsa asked for a new roommate, but the school said, no, so she just gave Jennifer the silent treatment. And they're like, how did that go? And he goes, you ever see a nerd spas out? It's ugly. So now they go talk to Jennifer. And she's acting

180 different than she was the other day. The other day, she's like a chill nerd being like, check out this double bag of mesh thongs. And now she's like playing chess, hyper-focused, they're asking her questions. And she's answering, but she's not looking up from her game at all. And she says, what? The slutty clothes remind from Halloween. Elsa liked them so I let her wear them. And then they tell her, well, they know that you and Elsa aren't friends. And she's like, well,

who told you that? And they're like, Danny, she goes, he's a provaricator, synonym for liar. And provaricator does remind me of Margot Kitter's line from the Chadlo episode, where from peak,

don't possess. It's like one of my favorite lines from this show ever. So whenever anyone talks about provarication, I like to bring that up. She tells them, I don't have time for Elsa Martyr Talk. I've got a chest tournament, and I'm freaking out. I need to study Molnarnagi 1966. But I'm in Zungu, Zwang. And if I could solve it, she starts going over all these chess moves. Like, maybe it's BHG. I mean, she's like, she does not have the cool of the Queen's Gambit woman. Okay, she's freaking out.

So she starts to get really shaky and teary and asks for her mom. So now at the precinct, Jennifer's mom Susanne walks in. And this woman's been in a bunch of other SVUs, but like nothing that I recall being Maranembring too well. And she sees Jennifer through the grass. And she's like,

“why is she alone in there? What did you do to her? And Stabler goes, you mean what did she do to Elsa?”

And the mom's like, weren't they best friends? So now in interrogation, the first thing Jennifer says, is I'm glad Elsa's dead. And she's like, she got all the attention, scholarship. She's like, we have to be the best. There's no second place. And the school wants us to push each other.

But it wasn't fair. She never studied. I worked so hard, but she was smarter than me. She was

I'm smart, but she's a genius. She wouldn't talk to me. She ignored me like I was too insignificant and stupid to waste time on. And she starts pacing. I mean, this whole scene is like so fucking good. Like, I would love, I bet you this is a good audition scene. Like, if you could memorize this whole thing and like do it really well. Pretty good. Saying, she starts pacing being like, I just wanted to be the best. And like she didn't even want to go to MIT. She was going to drop out. So why couldn't she

just let me win? She couldn't speak to me. So I followed her onto the ferry and then when she went to go visit Danny, she couldn't run away from me in the middle of the Hudson River. And her mom's like, okay, baby, let's quiet now. Let's zip it up. But she can't stop. She's like, word vomiting. She's like, I'm so sick of everyone telling me what to do, what to say, what to think. Um, and she just wanted to talk to her, but Elsa screamed at her and called her a loser and pathetic and

dumb and said she's only at Marwood because her family is rich and she would never succeed on

brains of brains alone. She grabbed her arm and she pushed her and then she jobbed her in the chest with the pen and then grabbed her hair and slammed her head into the railing over and over and over. And then when she's done telling the story, she's like creepy smiling. Like, she's like crying smiling. It's manic. Okay. Everyone was inside. She said, no one saw this happen because they were all inside because it was raining. Elsa tried to scream, but the ferry horn started to blow

so no one could hear her. And the scroll really timed this attack very perfectly to all this like noise sound effects. That's when she fell and I pushed her into the river. And she goes, mommy, look, I'm the best now. I'm number one. Aren't you happy for me? And like the mom looks like she's going to throw up and I'm just going to tell Rosie to aim for bees. I'm sorry. Like, this is too much. She's like watching this whole scene. I'm like, do the best you can. Um,

also, yeah, because it's like, all right, I'll say, maybe she, she's not that dumb. Like,

“she's a dumb bitch, but like, she's still not them. You know what I mean?”

Yeah, you mean Jennifer? Jennifer's still kind of smart. You know what I mean? Dude, they later say she has an IQ of 160. So she's smart. She's just not like, you know, maybe it just like doesn't come to her as easily as the scroll in terms of like test taking,

you know, like there's some million ways to be smart. Um, yeah, but always go back to your

reka being like, no one even knows how hard drag races. And then Bob going, oh, it was easy for me. It's like, what am I favorite things? I think about I mean, he's not wrong there. It's did seem quite easy for him. Um, but I also was realizing one thing. Like, we've just heard exactly how the crime went down. We don't get to the bottom of why Elsa was found in the water in her underwear. Like, did this bitch like rip her skirt off before she threw over board? Like,

maybe the waves? I don't know. Yeah, she's like not in her underwear, which is like what led them to think that she was like a sex worker immediately. And they never address that. Just another catch from someone that's watched these episodes 12,000 times. Um, anyway, top of the final act, Benson and Sabla are downloading Graylick. They're like, well, this scroll made a full confession. The mom let it happen. And Graylick's like foaming at the mouth to prosecute this child. And

lives like, okay, but there are some issues. And Graylick goes, oh, cue the violins. And Benson

“is Sabla are like, well, she's a child. She needs help. She's 14. Like, can't we just try her as a juvenile?”

And Graylick's like, I would if I could, but it's not my call. I got Warner's results on the tied charts. And Elsa's body went into the river just off Hoboken. So done done. This is Jersey's case. Yeah, because I was kind of shocked at how early the confession was, you know, I'm like, oh, yeah, early in the episode. Yeah. And also, I didn't realize that like, if something happens in the Hudson River, is it just whichever is like a little bit closer? Like, does it happen? You know,

like, is it's a little closer to New York or a little closer to New Jersey than it's there?

you know, based on where the body washes up, I guess. But like, this for this, it was fun floating in the water.

“So although I did think the people doing Tai Chi were in, oh, it floated back. It floated back”

to Manhattan. Okay. So anyway, Graylick is like, yeah, bad news for Jenny. New Jersey tries kids her age as adults and sends them to prison for life. And I was, I didn't realize New Jersey. There was one more bad thing about New Jersey. Like, I had no idea. They were this strict about kid crime. But Benson and Sabler are now walking and talking with the bitchy New Jersey ADA. And she's played it by Gretchen Eagle. She's playing New Jersey ADA Kendra Gill. And this is

the first of four SVU episodes that we see Kendra Gill in. So she's in a few more. So they're trying to

explain to this ADA that Jennifer is just a troubled girl, not a stone-cold killer. And she's like, well, there's lots of troubled girls in the world, and most of them don't all commit murder. And Sabler is like, yeah, but the only other country in the world that charges kids as adult is Somalia. Is that really a club you want to belong to? And she's like, whatever, I just enforce the laws. I don't make them. And he's like, well, you put three kids in the past eight months away for life.

Two black, one Latino. I bet like, if you put away a rich white girl, it'll make you look colorblind. And so he's like accusing her of being like using this as like a political chess move. And the ADA is like, she has a one-sixty IQ genius with no hard background or mental issues. That have been reported. And Olivia is like really going hard for Jennifer saying, look, she's not a psychopath, but she seemed pretty psycho in the confession about my life.

It's druggy, you know? It's like druggy for me. Yeah, but like, why hasn't she undergone a psych evaluation? Like, we're already at trial. Like, I mean, I guess they're just trying to do what they can, but it's just funny to me even with this episode plays out because I don't think anything would play out like this at all in real life.

Like, I mean, I can explain more in a second, but like, um, so the ADA is like,

she knew right from wrong. She's cold and conniving. And she's going to face the consequences. And the hearing is tomorrow. And I'm calling you both as witnesses. Bye. So now we're in the New Jersey courtroom. And Jennifer is sitting there in an orange jumpsuit, which I clocked and the Wikipedia of SVU was like, no lawyer would let her do that. Like, it makes you look like a criminal to the jury. Most people do not go into court in their orange jumpsuit or their jumpsuit from jail.

You're allowed to put on other clothes specifically because it like humanizes you to the jury.

“I think sometimes when we see people go in in the jump suit, it's because they're pleading guilty”

or like they're going to allocate or something. Because I really think most times you get put in to regular clothes. Um, we have so many lawyers. I'm sure you guys are going to write in and tell me what the deal is with that. But, um, so now we're bouncing back and forth between Benson and Sabler testimony on the stand. She gets Kendra Gil gets Benson to admit that Jennifer had no remorse and said she was glad that Elsa was dead. Olivia tries to soften it and say that

Jennifer jabbed Elsa with a pen and the EDA is like, was it a job or was it a stab? Because the Emmy report talks about stab wounds. So there's not really job wounds. It feels like a different thing. And also Olivia admitted that, um, Jennifer confessed to everything. And then, and you know, cut to Jennifer tapping your fingers on the table, not focusing on what's happening. Like she looks like she's having a mental breakdown. And any lawyer would be like, uh, let's do

mentally unfit to stand trial. It's just something here. Like we're just going to let a teen, but this is the, this is the trial to determine whether it's going to go to family court or a adult court. So, um, now it's Jennifer's lawyer's turn. And Sabler says that Jennifer did not come to the boat with plans to kill Elsa only to talk. And Liv says that she has the intellect of an adult but the emotions of a child. She was forced to compete and excel in a grown-up world. And she

cracked. Can that crack be repaired the lawyer asked? And Liv goes, only if she gets help. Feels like an objection, a Benson's not a psychologist. But whatever, I'm not a lawyer. Um, on cross, Gil asks Sabler if Jennifer knew her actions were wrong. And he goes, I'm not a shrink. He's like, I'm not going to speculate on that. And then Gil asks Sabler, um,

“well, what about the whole fake story with the clothes and the slutty sneaky out and everything?”

That was a false narrative that she concocted to cover her own tracks. And at that point, the judge goes, I've heard enough. I'm going to hear this case in adult court. Because that's the other thing. It's like, I'm all for where this episode goes, like, trying to make a statement about drugs and stuff like that. But like, she did fully cover her tracks and lie to the cops. And she was within her right mind doing all that covering all her tracks. So, I don't know. So the judge says adult

court, and the bitchie ADA goes, game over. Thanks for your help to Sabler on the stand, which is pretty unprofessional. But then also when Jennifer hears game over, ding ding ding. That's

like a fucking buzzer. She flips out. She's like, it's never game over. There's always another

of chess if you're going to be a grandmaster. And I don't even know them. And she starts having a fully manic episode. She's talking to herself. She gets up on the table, like of the courtroom. And like, I'm like, how have we not tried mental disease or defect is what I've written in my notes? And Benson and Sabler and the bailiffs have to carry her out of the courtroom. Her mom looks distressed. But like, not that upset. Her mom looks like, oh, god. This is going to be annoying.

And then the girl, the guards carry her to a holding cell. She calls them stupid idiots. They throw her in a cell. And then it's just her and Olivia alone. And she's bet. I mean, again, it's like, Olivia doesn't have other cases to work on. This is like a New Jersey case now, but she's like following it through. And they throw her in a cell. She's begging Olivia. She's like, wait, don't go. Why am I here?

“She doesn't even remember why she's there. And Olivia is like, uh, do you remember killing your roommate?”

She's like, I did. Nothing makes sense. It's all black. I'm trapped in a chess game. And I don't remember sitting down to play. And lives like, sweetie, you confessed. And she goes, I can remember things,

but then I can't. Am I dreaming? I can't be. I can't be dreaming because I don't sleep. I never sleep.

I go for days until I crash. And she's like, how do you do that? She goes, I use my secret weapon. And she admits, admits to taking ProVigil, which I do like that name. They've got a lot of, you know, app troll. They've got all these like names for fake drums on the show. ProVigil is like a good. That could totally be like an ADD medication. And I like it. The SVU, it basically is the SVU name for like riddle and adder all, concerta, vivance, whatever. She helps her. She says it helps her

study. She buys it from kids with ADD. Everyone is on drugs at more wood. The school tells you how to game your doctor and to prescribing it to you. But then why haven't you game to doctor and to prescribing it for you? Why are you buying it anyway? Whatever. She has plenty of money, so it doesn't matter. But how long have you been awake? How long had you been awake? Live asks the day that you killed Elsa. And she goes six days, which like fuck. And she goes, I was cramming for exams. And then she said,

I took more when I was prepping for the chest tournament. So how long have you been up now? She's like three days. But it's not working this time. My mind is a jigsaw puzzle. It's a mess. Like we can't put it back to live. I'm longer without food than without sleep. Yeah. Yeah, sleep is. Well, we were famously in an Uber car, right? Where the driver fell asleep at the road. Famously Lisa saved my life, keeping an eye on a falling asleep screwdriver, who I thought was just trying to

weave in between cones for fun. Okay. I was like not paying attention at all. And I was still never

forgive you for giving him five stars. I know that way. He shouldn't be on the road. I was trying to get

“out of the app. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have done that. I think I broke. You didn't tip him though.”

That's no. And I did. And I think I wrote a report. I just gave five stars to get to the screen to like give feedback. And I gave a report that said he was driving dangerously. You fell asleep. But yeah, but I was like, you were like, how many stars? I was like, oh, I don't know five. Just so I could get to the report. Sorry. I'll never live it down. I'll never live it down. Just like saying, I thought that you drink full fat coke once. Um, okay. So, you didn't say it. You brought me a full fat. I brought you a

I brought you a full fat coke. It's stupid. Very stupid. I brought you what I would drink. I was only thinking of myself. Um, so she says to them that now she's been up for three fucking days. And it's not working this time. It's not she's not having her beautiful mind moment anymore. We're everything falls into place that she can write a play in a day. Okay. She's like, my mind is a jigsaw puzzle. It's a mess. I can't put anything together. Please, please bring me some

provincial. And Olivia says, tell me where it is. So now we've got Olivia going to her dorm room while Jennifer's voice narrates what's happening. Okay. She goes, it's in my room. I have it hidden

“so that no one can take away my secret. Like, even though all the kids at school are using it,”

and she has hidden it in the spine of a book that Olivia has to slice open with a knife. So I don't know how she's getting in and out to get it, but lives got the tools. Jennifer's talking about how she takes one pill and she's Einstein. She wrote a play in one night. Her brain was

finally working. Like, probably the way she imagines that Elsa's brain works with nothing at all.

Meanwhile, live opens a journal and the first few pages look normal, like immaculate handwriting, and then a couple of pages in, crazy serial killer spirals where the words are written all over each other, swirling all over the place. And she said, I realized I could talk to Elsa and make her like me again. So now we're with Melinda and she's looking at this fucking serial killer notebook shit. And she goes, this kind of hypergraphia is common with ProVigilabius. It was developed

ProVigil to treat narcolepsy and other sleep disorders, but then the military found out that it can keep you awake and they gave it to soldiers in the fields. And it is a good treatment for ADD if you use it right. And Olivia is not buying it though. She's like, you think all those more wood kids have ADD, sorry nowadays, everyone says ADHD, but Melinda says she'll tip off

60th straight. And Melinda goes, well, the record is 11. The Guinness Book had to stop recognizing it

because of deadly health risks, because people were like trying to beat the record.

“And that's why Danceletons real, or was that just like in sitcoms?”

For the Guinness Book, I don't know, no, just in general, like fundraising danceautons, you know? Yeah, I think those are real. I think those are real. We got to bring back Danceletons. Danceletons, yeah. Oh, they're doing Danceletons. You heard it your first. It's like not the same thing, but like hands on a hard body. Also, isn't that such a weird thing that it's how long can you touch your car? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a weird thing else.

Oh, yeah. But now we've got Melinda. What? You also earlier said solitary Jack. That made me laugh too. And you didn't get shit. Okay. So Melinda is giving us like the 411 on sleep. Like what you just said about food, she's like, that's why sleep deprivation is a torture technique. Like one study found that

17 hours without sleep is like having a 0.05 blood alcohol. So I guess me personally, I'm always a

little bit drunk because I really only get five or six hours to sleep per night. And I don't know,

“you too, maybe? Are we always like a little bit low key drunk? Or are we getting enough? I'm not”

getting enough sleep. I don't think. I mean, for me, it's just not consistent. But no, I wake up throughout the night. I only wake up in the morning. I go to bed at night. I mean, yeah, I have blacked out last night. No idea when I got home. And I was up at 630 in the mornings who work on our podcast. And then I had my nine to 11 Russian lesson. And then I went back to our pod. Russian lessons. Can she only do it days of pod recordings? No, but like, I didn't think I'd get drunk all night.

You know what I mean? Like, I couldn't have planned. I was going to do all my work last night. I just had a six o'clock dinner and no spots. I usually when we do big recordings. I don't do spots the night before. So I could just say, kind of focus and chill out. Because I also like to go to soul cycle in the mornings on these days on a Tuesday. It's that espresso. It's that US espresso.

“That just can't. I think I had two margaritas, three espresso martinis and probably a few shots,”

it's a killer. But I also had an eating all day. So it was a lot at once. That'll do it. That's a restaurant. I don't do pig. That'll do. Yeah. You know, I was Charlotte's Web in high school. Do you? You were who were you? I was Lervie the farmhand. Oh, yeah. And we are set was like a story book. Me and we traveled to different schools and performed it for little kids. But so cute. And then I was like in a movie because during the Charlotte's web tour, I had my sectionals, like our conference meets

for swimming. And so my swim coaches were pissed. I wasn't resting. And I was like, I don't know, like, I'm going to be an actor. I'm not going to be a fucking swimmer back the front door. I'm on tour. With Charlotte's Web. I'm touring the elementary school circuit. Like I'll do my backstroke another time. Oh, my god. You know, I did butterfly. I know your butterfly. Right. As soon as it came out of my mouth, I was like, that's not her stroke. But yeah. Oh, my god. Yeah, I was not so in a

kabuki play. I don't know if you know that. I was in the monstrous spider. And we had a Japanese man come to direct it. He guessed directed it. He was like a Northwestern person. And I mean, I knew you guys had a good theater program. But I don't think I've heard of these two specific playouts. The kabuki was a big one for me for sure. Um, that because the other ones were a part of the classes. Like, I feel like the kabuki was the only one I actually like booked on my own.

Like without the class I booked. I was in the scene that was like the comedic relief. But we had to like wipe the stage and do all these things. And then I had to talking to and my teacher was like the director doesn't think you're grateful enough to be here. And you're not, you're

not enthusiastic enough. And I go, all right, I'll pump it up. Like I've always had the same

personality. You know what I mean? Oh my god. You know, I've gotten the you're not pump, you're not enthusiastic enough speech before as well. Wow. I got that. I got that at the page program. I when I started when I was doing orientation for the page program, I was just kind of like listening to all of the things we needed to learn. And I was supposed to, I guess, be more like awesome sounds great. And I like I wasn't doing that. And they were like we need to, you know,

you beat out a lot of people for this job. Like we just like a little bit more enthusiasm. Or like I was doodling on a piece of paper, which I just do out of habit. I'm completely listening. I draw

you were doodling and not listening. And I was like, what? Like I'm so excited to be here. In fact,

“I'm like nervous. Like it was just like stupid stuff like that. But I've gotten it before as well.”

Then you got to pump it up. I had to pump it up. And then we had to do our own makeup, you know. And then we learned how to do kabook. You make up. And then once we got our silk outfits on, we couldn't sit down. We weren't allowed to sit. And you can't ruin that. You can't wrinkle that silk. You know, we weren't allowed to sit. It was crazy. And then they made me die my hair black. And then I wore a hat. So I was like, well, you ruined my senior photos. You piece is a shit.

And you had to die your hair in a high school product. You signed a contract before you start that you do whatever the play needs you to do. Wow. Yeah. We also for like one of our classes. We had to do 25 hours of stage craft and like behind the scenes. So you had to put you had to clock in hours in the set designer in the costume shop or like lighting. I did the curtains for the King and I like you had to do. You had to do backstage work. Yeah. To be a shit.

And I did a shake. We also had a Shakespeare week in the summer every other year. And I got to do it. And it's like a week long eight hour or two weeks of like intense Shakespeare with swords. And we'd learn monologues and then fight with the swords. My god. Yeah. It was like incredible. I wonder what the new teachers are like. I mean, Mr. Ortonman was the best. Mr. Ortonman was shout out, Mr. Ortonman. Yeah. I mean, Anna plays. Sorry. This long monologue. But now

I'm like, like, I'm reminiscing so fucking hard. But like, um. Yeah. Love him. Love him. And we had plays like gay kissing so early on. We did. Yeah. And he agos plodged. I said, okay, there's something that was happened to. Oh, yeah. No, he wrote a horse. But then we had another gay kissing one. Like we were just

doing cool ass shit. And there was always a Shakespeare one and I'm in a contemporary one. I don't know.

The guy is really hot. The guy had it. And we did sketch stuff. And I got to be in God spell. Like, I fucking love Mr. Ortonman shout out. He'll never give me the props. I was so desperately great for him. It's like, you know, Mr. Ortonman. Tell him I'm desperate. Desperate for a compliment. This podcast got me in touch with my old elementary school principal. I'm sure I can get you in touch with your high school theater teacher. Um, okay. And he was, I mean, he had like a way younger boyfriend

I remember and like it was kind of pretty radical. I feel for him to like his boyfriend came to all the productions. I love that. Yeah. I love that. Very progressive. How can cool? Yeah. I'm trying to think if I'm the most six me and Esther have to be the most successful people from that high school theater program. Yeah. Yeah. You would know if there was somebody bigger. Yeah. Maybe someone's like really good, like good at something on Broadway that I don't know about. Yeah. You're right. I would

fucking know. I think it's me and Esther. Yeah. I got kicked by a horse and no. Like, it's me. Yeah. It's me. Um, Mr. Ortonman, right me a letter. Do you have me? Do you have me? I didn't do my DMs, Mr. Ortonman. Okay. Back on track here. Um, no. So there's

she's, so Melinda's basically talking about how even 17 hours of sleep, you're basically a

little bit wasted. Like, you're a little bit buzzed because you like, you know, that it's just like

“that's how much your body needs sleep and the irritability can lead to delusions to psychosis.”

She was manic and interrogation and then out of her mind in the courtroom. And Melinda says, well, she would have been way worse than I do the murder because she was on even less sleep. So now Benson and Sabler are like begging Kendra Gill for an insanity at defense now. Finally, and the New Jersey ADA is like, are you guys serious? That's so hack. Like, that's the last stop for lazy lawyers. And Olivia goes, not if the facts support it and the ADA goes, yeah, your girl

missed a nap and lives like sleep deprivation psychosis is a clinical condition. She was temporarily out of her mind and goes like, well, I've done a couple of days without sleep and the only thing I murdered was my pillow. Like, when I started like, yeah, is there no curiosity, no openness, no, like, let me see it. No, you just want to put this person away. It's like psycho. It's weird. It's also because it's like, it's not like it's a defense attorney coming to you. It's not like,

“it's like, these are cops that like, honestly, have nothing, no skin in the game, really. They just”

care about humanity. You know, like, they just want this girl to get a fair shake. So you could listen to them for three seconds. But I do like the concept of talking about sleeping really hard as murdering your pillow. Like, I like that. I'm just like, I'm going to go murder my pillow. I think that's a fun little fun little way to talk about it. So live gets into personal story time. She goes, well, I knew a guy who wants to work 41 hours straight went home, went to sleep and had an asthma

attack when he reached for his inhaler. He accidentally grabbed his gun, put it in his mouth, and blew his brains out. And the ADA is like, okay, so what do you want for me? And she's like,

we know all need sleep. So in the next scene, we are the judge talking about a plea agreement that

“the defendant is remanded to the Department of Juvenile Justice for a period not to exceed seven”

years. And the camera is zooming in on Jennifer in a single tier roll sound or cheek. And the judge is like, change of heart, miss a girl. And she says, new evidence showed the defendant's mental status at the time more in slainancy. And the judge is like, yeah, well, so Jennifer, he's like, bitch, you just want the lotto. So don't fuck it up. And then there's another tier from Jennifer, Jennifer hugs her mom, stabiler goes, you'll be out by 21, she thinks Benson and stabiler,

and live goes, at least she still has a chance. And Gil goes, well, here's my next case, a 15 year old boy is being led into the courtroom. She goes, he raped and murdered his six-year-old stepsister. No remorse said he'd do it again. You want him out at 21, too? And it's like, yeah, I just feel like it's a little bit different, like a 15 year old kid that like rapes and murders his six-year-old stepsister. And so as I do it again, then a girl who's hyped up on

fucking drugs and blacked out and kills a classmate in a rage. I don't know, I feel, but I don't know, everyone is coming from. Yeah, it feels like if this family is so rich, she would have had like top-notch, like, I didn't even know who her defense attorney was, like, she would have had Buchanan, she would have had Elizabeth Marvel, Rita Calhoun, she would have had somebody super, super high and to make it look like, it was self-defense

or something, I don't know, like they just felt like they were kind of, they went into the first

hearing, not even knowing about the ProVigil, like I don't, I don't, I don't get it, like that's, you would do an exam on her, like, I don't know, it just feels like there was a couple of holes, but Sarah Highland, that monologue going crazy. Anyway, the episode ends when the kid gives the 15-year-old kid gives a creepy ass mile to the detectives, and that's Dick Wolf, baby. So, cry, I'm unfortunately sad, obviously. So, this is in a Rinda, California,

and it's an affluent community near San Francisco, and this happened in 1984, so the average household income in the 80s in this affluent neighborhood was 60k, which is L.O.L. to kind of think about. Yeah, if you're, I wonder what Rinda is now, I'm going to look that up. Rinda, what are I right, median income? Okay. Yeah. 250 plus, most average is 370. Whoa, why is literally when you look good up? One of the questions people also ask is why is Rinda so expensive? Yeah, because

it kind of sucks probably or something or what? I don't know, it's their cost of living is significantly higher than national and savages. Rinda, baby. So, uh, Bernadette Prody, she stabbed her classmate, Kirsten Costas to death, June 23, 1984. Chris Kirsten was 15 years old, and Pradi was 16 years old. They were both on the swim team, and they worked in the school office,

“and were members of a prestigious volunteer group. I think times were different in the 80s,”

but Kirsten was far more popular, and she was on the cheer team, and basically, so, what? Like,

there's a few things. So, she was scared that the victim was going to tell people that she was weird, that was like a big fear of hers. And there was this suggestion that Pradi was jealous of Kirsten. I'm who is more popular and successful to her, and then when she eventually confessed, she was like, yeah, I was fucking jealous of her. But, um, Pradi's friends and neighbors described her as play, average teen, and the youngest of five from a devout Catholic family. And then this is so bizarre,

but this woman's Suzanne Barr is quoted like, this must be a terrible mistake in the New York Times, and she relied on Prody as a babysitter, and then this mom is quoted writing, I don't know who else would I would trust my children to. She's full of grace, sympathy, and love.

“And it's like, I think you could find another person that's not 15 to leave your kids with,”

who stabbed her friend to death. Like, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? I don't know who I could trust. I don't know a grown woman. How about that? I'm out of the child from down the block. Times are tough and Orinda. You got to take the babysitters. You got it. Yeah, times are different. So, okay, but Pradi, Lewerd costs us to her death with a phony invitation to an initiation dinner

for the Bob O' Links, which was the Junior League style volunteer group at Marimante High School. Both girls were invited to join this group, and so she drove them to Maraga, California,

at a home nearby. And like ran off and then told the resident of this home, what, um, like

“Pradi went weird. That's the quote went weird. And the resident drove costs us to a neighbor's house”

in Orinda because her parents were out for the evening. Pradi followed her, jumped out of a car, and stabbed coastists five times on the front porch of the neighbor's home. My God. And this is according to testimony from the UPI. Wildly, it took six months to solve, well, they didn't even solve it. Cops don't do anything. So, um, there was only one witness in the witness said that she saw a pierced and get attacked by a blonde teenager who was driving a gold pinto. There was

750 pintos that they had to like check and go through. And they did interview Bernadette, and she calmly denied any involvement. And then later when she was arrested, there was a like the psychological profile that was provided by the FBI suggested the murder would be convinced the slaying was justified and would show little reaction under questioning. So that FBI ended up being right, but her parents are who turned her in. Five months after the funeral,

she wrote a letter confessing to the crimes. And they picked their daughter up from school after reading the letter and took her to the authorities. And there, um, there's a tape confession where she talks about feelings of jealousy and adequacy that drove her to kill. These are from the confession tapes. I didn't know what I was doing. And then afterwards, I was so horrified. I didn't think about if she was going to die. And this is all in the archives of the UPI. I lost for cheerleading. Like,

she basically, she like lost, she didn't get into the cheerleading team. She didn't get into the

club. She wanted it. And then she didn't get on yearbook staff. And so she was like piss. And then um, that got me, that got her mad and hurt. And that's like, she was pissed. She couldn't change her looks or money or popularity and stuff like that. And her dad did confirm all this. Raymond, he told an FBI agent. Well, sorry. So an FBI agent on the stand testified. So the his name was Gerald D. Drake. And he said the father Raymond told him that she was quite upset. She didn't make the

cheerleading team. And she was very jealous that the other Arinda girls had so much wealth. March 1985, um, she was convicted of second degree murder for the stabbing. Um, and yeah, because she didn't want people to think she was weird. Like, what a fucking psycho. Uh, Bernadette was charged with first degree murder, but there was just not enough evidence to uh, convict on that. She was also charged as a juvenile. So the maximum sentence is only a placement in a youth prison till 25. And so then, and then there was

a 1994 lifetime movie death of a cheerleader that was inspired by these events with Tori Spelling.

“And I remember watching it. And I believe Kelly Martin, friend of the pod. Yes. Yes. Oh, my god.”

And Kelly Martin. And she apparently um, changed like she's out. She got enrolled and was really

set age 23. And an incredible source said that she changed her name. And no one really knows where

she is. I don't want to like, you know, sentence teenagers to death or anything. But like, it seems pretty first degree murder to bring someone to a secluded location. And then when they run away, you chase them and kill them at another location. Like, that seems pretty first degree. Like, that's what you were intending to do. You know, but damn, that's fucked. Um, yeah, like, I can't believe they had to go through so many pinto's and they didn't just start with

the pinto's of the kids at school. Like, start with the pinto's that are closest to you. So crazy. Fucking nuts. All right. Well, thank you for telling us about this sad state of affairs with Kirsten Costas. But we do have a great guest. So don't go anywhere. Okay, our guest today is an actor who has starred on shows like you're the worst and the boys and most recently in welcome to flat and the franchise. You can currently see her in her Broadway debut alongside John Lythgo in the

show Giant, but you know her best today as the moderately genius waitress with rice knee scars

Katrina Lichkov. Please enjoy our chat with the amazing eye a cache. Well, so you're like a young

actor and then you book three dick Wolf's like in a row. Oh my god, I thought you were calling me a

“young actor now. I was like, thank you so much. Still are you are, but does that make you feel so good?”

Like, what was that like? Oh, yeah. No, my first ever on camera job was law and order the mothership. Yeah. And then according to IMDB, your second one is criminal and debt like you just did

going to Chelsea Pierce for years. I mean, like at least I was I was auditioning for law and order for at least a year before I got my first like one scene roll. And you'd sit in those waiting rooms with like 50 people just going, how, how, how is it, how can it be me this time? Yeah. And then SVU, your bangs were incredible, your outfit. You were, and you had to do like cuts and the the

“rice knees. Do you remember your hair and make wardrobe time at SVU? Well, I remember being sad that I was”

wearing a waitressing uniform because I remember you got paid like, I don't know, $30 extra if you

wore your own clothes kind of thing. There's some sagble and I was real broke. So I always was looking

for that extra cash. My hair that was essentially my bad highlights and my attempt at a curtain bang. No, I loved your bangs. I wrote your bangs are incredible. A cute waitress outfit. Yeah, and then I remember I don't remember getting like the scars and stuff on, but I do remember I was recently on a show with with young folk, with actual young actors, and they said they wanted to see my law and order. And so I showed them this and we laughed about it and then they

called me rice knees. So when you said rice knees, I was like, yes, I've been called that before.

Oh my god. That's cool. Yeah, that was like a gnarly injury. Um, they've, we've never seen a

rice kind of thing like that before. I never knew rice could be violent. Yeah. Yeah, that was violent crazed. Yeah, it was a upsetting episode, but you did have a perfectly like, when I we like to say it's like the tears were starting, but not really. How was it sitting across Mariska and Christa for Maloney? Legends, of course. Uh, it was very intimidating if I'm going to be totally honest.

“I was so nervous. I hadn't done that much at that point, and I think I was still every time I was on”

camera. I was convinced I was doing it wrong. I mean, I started in theaters. So I remember even auditioning that'd be telling me to stop yelling. You know, I was very much projecting. So that

was always a note. And then I remember doing a job. I'd like step over something and I'm kind of going

out of frame just, you know, then don't let us know you're stepping over track. You know, I just didn't quite know the ins and outs of television for a while because you get on these sets and you do one or two days at this point is what I'm doing. And you never got into a groove. You never knew who you're allowed to talk to. Right. So to work with people that, you know, have been doing this forever and show up into their show that they're in season 10 of, I don't know am I allowed to talk to

you? Do you want to be bothered? There's just a lot of that going. There's a running inner monologue of chaos and insecurity. Well, because you had just graduated from like you graduated from like a theater program and then you just what moved to New York and started trying. Yeah. So I moved here and I was just waitressing and trying to get, I was doing regional theater. So I would pop out of town and do a play and, you know, one owner, Minnesota or Rona, Virginia and then I would come back

and hopefully you'd get a law and order or something that would pay your bills and also residuals. Okay. I have a question for you. I'll tell you my favorite and an episode of Family Guy,

“which is a rewatchable show that people watch a lot and you're in an SVU. What's residuals are more?”

I think SVU. Nice. I don't know if I've made such a distinction between SVU and the other ones in terms of residuals. So maybe I'm thinking of them all as a whole. But I can't remember a family guy residual coming in to be on. Maybe I need to call somebody better get on that. I was going to say, animation can be a little bit sketchy, but a family guy's pretty, you know, tip-top of the food chain there. Yeah. I don't remember. And now they go directly to your bank account.

It used to be you'd go to the, you know, your mailbox and there'd be a surprise check waiting for you that said you can pay your rent this month. And now it's direct deposit. So I think I pay attention less and also let's be honest and doing better. Yeah. That those $15 checks are less of a thank god.

I'm like, you guys didn't even need to spend the money on the stamp for this, you know? Yeah. Well,

“that's why it's good. There's direct deposit because you'd get 0.01. And why? Why? No, you. Why?”

You are doing incredible. You have like five things in your upcoming S, I am D.B. area.

I'm hitting. Finally hitting. I'm going to say, though, you like besides like you have been after you're the worst. You've gotten, you've done a lot of like multiple episode arcs of things. Where you're, I don't know if you're like a regular per se, but you're in a lot of episodes. Yeah. I've been, I've been working, which feels like a god damn miracle in this day and age. It is brutal out there. And in a hit show, I mean, people love the boys. Yeah.

Well, and that was, that was a little gift dropped in my lap. I mean, I let's be clear. I auditioned for it and thought for it. But dropped in my lap after fighting for it. And then, yeah, there's a spin-off coming, which I did not audition for, because it's about my character. Oh, my god. Oh, shit. Yeah. So this is my bragging section of the podcast. That's so hard for so many people right now, but I've been great. Is that bow rising about that?

Bought rising? Vought rising? Yeah. Vought rising. Sorry. I'm saying it incorrectly. I haven't seen the boys, but I've only heard great things about it. That it's so good.

“Oh, and cool. Full superhero. How does that feel? It feels age and appropriate in the best way.”

I feel like a young age just again. Speaking of which, by the way, the SVU episode, I remember asking them, do you want to change the line? Because I say, he kicked me out last year on my 16th birthday. So I think I'm playing 17 in that episode. And I believe I'm well past mid 20s at that point. And I sort of said, do you want a triple? And they're like, nobody cares. You're not the focus. You want to buy it? I buy you a 17. Are you? Because you're on your own, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I'm a child living. Hard living 17 year olds. Listen, a 17 year old was been kneeling on rice for a few years. They look older than a regular 17 year old. Yeah. Oh, I like this. I wish I thought of these things. I just thought they're going to fire me. I do remember going to set for when I go meet them for the first time, because I also, because I see isn't that scene. And I had just seen iced tea guessed at the Apollo with a Snoop Dogg concert. And I told him that

and he sort of looked me up and down and went, huh? He was like, maybe my career's over. If this is the girl going to the Snoop Dogg concert at this time. Yeah, that's so good. Are you, are you still doing theater like in between gigs of your multiple hair series arcs,

“episode arcs that you're doing? Yeah, I think by the time this comes out, I will be on the broadway”

myself. Oh, really? I'm doing a show called Giant, which is, uh, I did it London on the West End with John Lythgo and Elliot Levy and Rachel Sterling. And they, uh, uh,

Lythgo plays a role doll. And so it's a, um, it's actually, it's an incredible play.

Maybe not as, uh, maybe check your ideas about role doll at the door, but it's, I don't know what I might think about that. I suppose that he's bad because I used to love this band, I'm on it right now. I think we can still love his books. With children. And I love you so much. He would not see vibes or something. Yeah, there's some, I mean, apparently, it's my year of Nazi because I play a Nazi on the boys. It's been often and, uh,

something else in this, but, uh, we, uh, yeah, it's, he, he, it's not really up for debate if he's an anti-Semite or not, but the play is much more nuanced and interesting than that. Oh, who do you play? I play, uh, one of his publishers who has, uh, flown to England to discuss some, um, some of his, outspokenness and what's it like working with him? Were you like a dexter had? Oh, I mean, well,

also Thurvoc from the Sun. I grew up. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, but also dexter. I mean, that's the amazing

thing about John Lithgow is you could, you could drop his name anywhere and people would be like, I love him from and named 10 different things and be equally obsessed with those things and he really does live up to it all. I keep waiting to see a crack or, uh, you know, that darkness has to come from

got on the subway and I was so, um, entrenched in the Trinity killer from Dexter that my body, like my blood went cold, like I froze and was like he's going to kill me. Like he's such a good actor, but it's like if I, I've also seen him in Thurvoc from the Sun. I've also seen him in like a ton of things where he's like a jovial man, but he was so good and scary in that that I totally, I just loved him so much. I paralysis. I said the music, I was just at the music box theater.

It's like an incredible theater. Wow. Do you see art? Huge. I did see art. I haven't seen yet. I'm, I'm still working in Toronto. So I have very limited time in New York right now. I'm just here for a few days. But I'm seeing liberation tonight. I'm seeing, um, I'm seeing Sessely strong in the comedy thing. Oh, tomorrow. And then I'm running back. I'm so excited for this

Broadway show. Is this your Broadway debut or have you been on before? No, no, no. I've never, never,

my first time. Wow. First time on Broadway. And how long is that engagement? 16 weeks. Yeah. I'm on the site right now. Thank you. Thank you. My publicist. 16 weeks. That's fun. Those six. I mean, that's, I mean, it's like a grueling schedule, right, but you're in your own town. And yeah, it can go home every day. I mean, you're going to be able to go to work. I mean, I get excited just taking the train and walking to go see a Broadway show. So like I can't imagine

the feeling of walking to a Broadway theater for a show. Oh, I feel that I'm so excited. One to just work in New York at all, because I never get to work in New York. And this is where I live. And two to be able to go to, I mean, I've, I've been dreaming about it. Since I was a little,

“little girl. I'm, I'm really excited. Oh, you need to get on Elspith. That's what I would love.”

Oh, so I love her. She did, um, she did Virginia Wolf at the Guthrie when I was in college. And so I cannot tell you how many times I have gone up to her and been like, hi, you don't know me, but

I saw you in Virginia Wolf. And I think you're amazing until she finally had to be like,

stop it. I, we've met so many times. Brilliant. Yeah. Um, yeah, we love her. She's an SVU alum. Also, as is her husband. Yeah. Very nice to meet you. You can get back on SVU too. Yeah. I would love them. I mean, as whenever you can do that. It's been long enough. You'd be a good lawyer. You would actually be a really good, um, fucking D. A or defense attorney. Yeah. Well, um, you were in Wolf, Wolf of Wall Street. So, you know, um, I was that, of course, A's E Leo, our the vibes. Great. I was there

“for three months or something like that. And yeah, I have five lines. I, uh, I got, I remember there were”

full weeks when I'd be behind the sound guy. And they'd say, we might catch it. And I'd be like, you got to reshoot if you catch me because there's a boom operator. But I read seven books. I got to

listen to, you know, everybody that I've ever dreamed of meeting, tell amazing stories about their

life and career. And, um, yeah, I had a really good time. It was really fun to sort of just be a round watching all that happen. And it was all improv. It ended up being basically, I, uh, Mr. Scorsese seemed to really love to let people play. And anything that came out of my mouth that was really dirty. And I'm making it in the field. Fuck yeah. Speaking of residuals, that, that's the one. That is the one. Wow. Cool. Yeah. I think I made more in my first

residual than I made for the entirety of shooting. Fuck yeah. I mean, what a huge movie for sure,

“but that's cool to know. Yeah. So I do small parts, but for long times, that's what happens.”

I guess there's something in our sad contracts. It's about days on set versus part in the movie that does your residuals. Yeah. So the fact that I was there for so long, meant I got a really good residual, even though I'm not hugely in the movie. Yeah. And in my, um, in my Instagram algorithm, I'll get scenes from that movie with the script underneath moving. So you could see what's like been improvised. And I like watching those. Yeah, it's fun. It just seems like a, I don't know,

more relaxed. I like the idea of that. Yeah. I was really fun. I'm not usually, I did not come out. I'm not a stand up. I didn't come up through UCB or groundlings or anything. So it's not my natural habitat, but it's really fun when there's real good parameters. I love to just riff. But I can't do, I can't do the, like UCB. I'm in a come-a-quat thing and make it funny. I just don't

perform once. Um, I don't know if you know them. They're UCB group, uh, Gillows Erie. Yeah. Yeah.

“Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ben Schwartz. And I just thought, oh my god, that's the most incredible”

thing I've ever seen. I want to do that. So I signed up for UCB 101 and then was like, oh, they're really good at it. Like, I made it look so easy and fun. And this is really horrible. If you're not good. Yeah. And I would all the levels. Gillows to coach one of my groups. And I then I moved to stand up, which was better for me. But improv is it's one of those things where when it's good, it's so great. But what it's bad, it's so awful. There's kind of not the way that

there could be like mediocre stand up. You're like, it's okay. Like, the stand up. It's just either great. I mean, improv, I feel like it's great or it's awful. Yeah. Like, it's silence and nothing's working in and terrible. Yeah. And the 101s are awful too because it's a lot of like accountants that

“just want to get better at public speaking and stuff. It's not all like people that are trying”

to necessarily incorporate it into performing. Would not that there's anything wrong with like being an accountant. But just a lot of it's a lot of people with zero performing experience. I could see if you would like already been to school fourth year, how that would be a little annoying. Not annoying. Just shame, shame-inducing. It was also I was 29 and they were like, you look great for 29. I was like, excuse me, like I didn't know that I was all, yeah. So a bunch of 19 year olds in my class being like,

you have an IMDB page. Why are you crying? You know what I have to ask you about? I cannot believe what I was looking at your IMDB that you're Olivia Walker on Will and Grace. Oh, because Olivia is like such a referenced character that you only see in one episode and it's you. Crazy. What it? Who's Olivia Walker? They're like Karen stepkids. Oh wow. It's Olivia. And then I forgot what

the boy's name is. But you know, she always just be like Olivia wants me to do this or whatever.

And then she grows up and she and she and I a place her in one episode. Yeah. So those creators gave me my first pilot. Like my first job, my first real series regular job. I mean, it didn't go. So it was just one episode. But was a pilot of theirs. So then I kept in touch with Max over the years and he just called me and said, do you want to do this? And I said, sure, I've never done a multi-cam and they're they always say it's like theater and I did the

multi-cam and I thought, oh, this is like theater with no rehearsal. This is just a living nightmare. This is just this is it. It felt like I'd been hit by a truck afterwards. I had no understanding of how to do that form. They would you do a scene and then they'd come up to you and be like, okay, here's that scene, but totally rewritten. Now do it again live without having time to memorize people. Yeah. And so I remember going to look at the sheet to try to look at my

lines and Max said, don't look, don't look at the sheet, look at me. And he said, my lines to me, I repeated him back and then we did the scene and I out of body experience. I don't think it's the phone for me. I like not for you. No, I like rehearsal, but it felt, I mean, talk about intimidating. I obviously had done a lot more film and TV at that point, but those actors are the top of their that kind of comedy and knowing how to do that form of TV. They were so, so funny. It was

incredible to watch. Yeah. We had, we had Eric McCormick on the podcast and then Sean Hayes is the

“king of podcasting now. So, you know, have you seen this episode like the rest of it?”

Yeah, but I mean, not in years. I remember what I remember. Because Sarah Highland has this like sort of epic monologue that it's, I see being passed around Instagram and TikTok and stuff a lot now where it's just like sort of a breakdown of an of a riddle-and-addicted overachiever, you know? And I was wondering if you'd seen it. I do, yeah. I mean, she was so good, right? I remember she was such a theater star to before that. So, I heard of her and then when she got modern

family, I just remember telling everyone, oh yeah, I was in the episode where the little girl from modern family killed my sister. That was essentially how I remember something else. And she has like a bucket list that's the view thing because she gets to get carried out of court and I feel like that's kind of the dream is to get carried out of court. Yeah, that's my, that's my. Yeah, what I got to cry and that's a big deal too. I got to cry and you got rice knees, I mean rice knees,

character get the satisfaction of her father being arrested. Yeah. You know, I enjoyed that kind of,

“I mean it sucks that your sister had to die, but I'm glad he got arrested. What a weird man,”

what a weird, um, genius, underachieving genius with a psych, a superiority complex. I maybe should have been arrested for my accent in that, but no way. No, you were so good. I wanted to ask you, I know homes in Taylor from, well, some Taylor have made me rice knees. So we know, I know homes in Taylor or Tiga, Taylor, oh yeah. And I'm seeing homes tonight. Actually, we're going to a liberation together.

Oh my god. Okay, cool. Anyways, listen, you're on Broadway. You're a law and order triple,

trifecta. Yeah, you got the law in the first three years of your career. That's pretty crazy.

But I don't have the like, any perisi thing where she played a stripper and then was a district

“attorney or something, right? Like, didn't she? But they came in here. That's what I'm saying,”

that life is long. Yeah. There's more time. I just mean it was not going off here. Within the 12 months to go from like dancer to lawyer. Like, that's real. That's, they usually have a house. They usually space it out a little bit, but like Peter's kind of, you know, was an unhoused suspect, and then became a detective, and then a district attorney. Well, no. He was a, I think he did, um, he did assault a man, but it's because he thought he was being a molester. Yeah. Yeah.

He witnessed something, but it came from his own abuse. Have they not had you guys on? Is there

any way? I bombed one audition in like 2015. And then I had it one audition last year, which was for an anti immigrant protestor, which I'm okay not getting. I feel like I can, I can hopefully, so hopefully I nail an audition one time. But I mean, they wouldn't be lucky to, what, what crossover press? They don't care enough about us. We're desperate. But we have a mole on the inside. And they have, I've sent us PR packages before, but, um, you know, we just love it so much.

They should be, there's gotta be some, like, pod. Would love to find a body. Yeah, but no, but what I, I'm thinking more like, what podcast gossip is worthy of SVU? Like, what crazy pod, there must be something at this point. There's so many podcasts. Oh, you're right. Like a crazy, like someone going and searching for a thing. I mean, I don't know, I'm really, what I'm really thirsty, like a true crime in a podcast realm that could

be used to inspire an SVU. And then you guys could play the podcasters who find the thing and uncover this crazy crime. Yes. I did love the right sneeze moment. Like, I can't get enough of it because, of course, those two people came up with that. Yeah. She's a tailor. Of course. She was a toy. Oh, yes. We're all connected. But she was great. I mean, I've been watching her for such a long time. And it was great to get Katrina Litchgoth. This episode, fuck.

“And I'm going to see her on Broadway, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I want to, yeah. I'm going to go.”

I'm going to try to go. So I hope I see you guys there. Yeah. Oh, also, I've, you know, I performed in Chicago this past weekend. I was fun and everyone's like so excited. I love the people that come up to our shows. Nice show. And someone named me a bracelet. A lot of bracelets. A lot of bracelets. I have a bracelet. A lot of bracelets. A lot of bracelets. A lot of bracelets. A lot of jewels. I just wanted to give a shout out to them. But yeah, this episode is I have children because

there are people like you can't afford it. It's all wrong. It's all wrong. You shouldn't have been a parent. Yeah. You shouldn't have been a parent. You can't force her to do math and make money for you and be your little weirdo and rice abuse and a sell. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah. And it's like kids that are, I don't know. I have like friends whose kids have like tested really gifted and they're like, yeah, but I don't want them to like not have any

social skills. So I'm leaving them in the regular school that they're in so that they can keep their friends and they can go to like MIT later, you know, like or whatever. It's just, sometimes I don't know about these like incubators of genius talent or whatever. But also, it's interesting because now it feels like so many kids are medicated. I mean, this episode came out at a time

and now I feel like it's sort of just like more commonplace. Everybody's, a lot of people take

that stuff. I mean, I'm on one of those. So, you know, it's interesting. Some of these things. Like, I'm like, I don't know is it still a thing where people are like, I got to be the best. Like, obviously, yes. But like, I don't know. I'm around like young people sometimes that feel like they're like not as obsessed with like the college rat race getting into Harvard and all that stuff.

“You know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not as connected. But I think yeah,”

these psychopaths exist everywhere. And I will not get for a moment. Think it's, there's not a hothouse happening near me at any moment. There's a hothouse within a hundred years all times.

I just don't trust these people having kids with no thought. Like, if you're going to force

your kid to do an activity that you think you can do, but you're actually a flop at, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Because your kids are like your extension of you and you need, you have need like a little bit of like stolen baller from your children kind of. Yeah. It's like, it's dark. It's dark. And then the other, oh, she's dead to it. You're cutting your kids out because they're not good enough at math. Like, it's sick. Yeah. But I guess if your kid is, that's the biggest problem of all of us.

Like, that's, isn't that what they say? It's like, because they don't, because kids are not loved. That's the issue with everything. Yeah. Truly, that's the cycle that starts everything. I mean,

sure you can give a kid love and they could be like born a psychopath as we've seen born

psychopath. But like, that's very rare compared to most of the problems of the world are from people that, yes, were abused, unloved, neglected. But I was going to say, if you are going to have a genius child and they're journaling, just keep an eye out for fully spiraling, literally spiral graph, like words. Just make sure that they're rating in a straight line and that the word's all. This whole time has been so focused on the Russian housing. I forgot about Sarah

“Highland fully throughout the whole recap. Yeah. I mean, this whole post-mortem. Yeah. If you want to”

cover your tracks, a mesh thong is a great way to convince everyone that you're roommates a slut, a mesh thong. Okay. Well, I do love that episode. It's good. It's just, it is, it was hard to try to do it at a live show. It's just what it's not quite as funny as we need it to be. You know, because she's a young child and we just want everyone to have a joyous, good life. Yeah. Because if you get joy out of the math, yeah, be a genius. Go to your homework.

My niece loves to study. We're not forcing her. Anyway, my niece found, so my mom found letters from the war from 1944 from my father's cousins that were right and died. And no one knew where when they died, nothing and like, you know, my father's father was in the war as well. And my niece took this and then found

“archives from the in the Russia today found where they served, where they battled, where they died,”

and found like all of these Russian documents about my father's family from World War II. Wow. My brother's been doing that for our family. Yeah. So I'm going. I talked to Lauren, our art friend. And so I, I'm going to find a place the right sleeves to hold this and like how to store this song. Yeah. We're trying to get it all translated. Well, because I don't want to use they. I want to, yeah, some trying to figure it out because it's cursive, but, and then so I

looked at all these photos and it's so sad these two young men. These boys that died. Yeah. And yeah, tragic. Wow. Yeah. That's more boring. Yeah. That's more boring. And like young men just die for bullshit for these fucking bullshit. It's like really upsetting. But yeah. So this is a new journey. My niece has brought us into because she's so studious. Yeah. My brother randomly started doing that too because my dad turned 80. And so they were like making him a book. And like he found all this

information about our family back in like hungry that I like didn't know from World War II. Well, so funny. I guess the end of guys are like, I have to procreate because of my legacy. It's what's your great-grandmother's name? Yeah. And then that was just like a meme video that came up. If you know, I love the meme video that I know you've seen to where this guy goes. My mom's the best, this girl's dating a guy who's like, my mom's the best. She did everything for us growing up.

And what's her favorite color? What does she do for fun? What do you mean? Like the guy knows nothing about his mom? Like he doesn't know a word. Like a single thing about her personally. Oh, God devastated. God that hit. It's really like that SNL with the bathroom. You know, it's like, yeah, the bathroom. What the fuck? She doesn't need it. And I got this robe.

speaking of the, the way I got to that was- I don't know what Hoppers is. You're talking to me

like I should know what this is. It's a Pixar. It's a new Pixar. Aw cute. Yeah, a parnas of voice in it, a parnan on chairless of voice in it, Vanessa Bayer. My friend John Hamzen it. John Ham, it was a major character. It was good. I mean, I feel like Pixar's had a bunch of flops and I thought I thought Hoppers was good. There was a part where we got a little bit scared of, but the rest of it, like it was really good. They look really good. They look really good. These little beavers. I want to squeeze.

“Yeah, cute. It was cute. It was cute. And Bobby Moynihan. It's like a lot of SNL people. That's what”

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