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Alright, we're recording this part of the podcast a little after 8 o'clock Tuesday night. How's this? This is the best 24-hour run of basketball we've had in a while. We had the incredible spurs thunder game last night and then the next game that looked terrible and yet noticed even when the nicks were down 22 with like 7 and a half minutes left.

I never sent you the text what started early at 3 minutes which just get going because this is what the next do and by the way, this is kind of what the Cavs do too but an incredible come back. J.L. and Brunson on an all-time heater down the stretch.

“James Harden, I think, started decomposing at one point and the next did that.”

It did it make up for the Hall of Burton game last year but it at least made some inroads. Yeah, I mean, the storyline here, are you not entertained? I mean, my god, the first two games of these finals, unbelievable. I had to give you a hard time how in the face of what Wemby did last night was there no Bill Simmons content immediately thereafter.

I never thought to have a live podcast last night, it was a game alive. It didn't have to be live. Something. We're going to do it after. We're going to do it after.

We're going to do it after. But the next time the Wembygasm was last night I was covered, I mean I had to have smoke

It was like I couldn't, I hadn't changed the sheets there was so much. It was outrageous. We had some good banger podcasts that I have. I'm going to levitate in with some big picture stuff. Let's go.

Let's go. Next first. Better win for the next or worst loss for the Cavs. Always a fun game.

I feel like this was actually a worst loss for the Cavs because now they basically, I always

say this, now they have to win five times at a seven game series. They shot their watt and all these different ways. I thought I didn't agree with really anything to next it for three quarters. They finally decided to just do five shooters down the stretch was sham it.

“And Kenny Ackinson, I think had an ice cream head egg or a brain.”

I don't know what happened to him. He just kind of died on the sidelines. James started just getting torched by Jalen Brunson over and over and over and over again. He kept the two bigs out there. I don't know where mayor, mayoral came in maybe three minutes.

I don't think we saw streuse at all in the fourth quarter. Yeah, that was the bizarre thing to me. That was a rock in a hard place game because you had to choose which side of the narrative coin you wanted to subscribe to. On the one hand, the next nine days off.

So there's going to be rust the rust factor. The three-piece shooting was a bismal for three and a half quarters on the other hand. All of the numbers in the history of the NBA say that a teen coming off of a game seven win with a short turnaround time on the road. It's very much in favor of the home team with the rest and you know, that's definitely

the betting angle that you're supposed to.

“So somehow that got born out because that's what happened in the next somehow covered.”

And yet if you watch the game, you felt like the calves weren't complete control. I was wondering complete complete and complete control. I was wondering three quarters in and like fuck, what do they do with this big lineup? Like are they going to have to start towns and Robinson next game or they're going to have to match the bakes with the bakes and then they went the other way.

They went shooters and you know, I think Mitchell, I had him down after the third quarter

with 24 points. So he had five points in the last 17 minutes of the game and just was not involved. I felt like harden was was had the ball all the time on one end and then on the other end was just constantly defending Brunson over and over again. And I don't know where Mitchell was either.

So that was your worst case scenario if I'm a calves man. I have in the deep recesses of my brain, I'm terrified of James Harden and big games. I'm terrified of teams honing it on him and making him play defense. And then I'm also worried that there's going to be a little who should take over here, which I thought they had solved, but I guess they didn't know what we had.

Another oops he did it again James Harden, five made field goals, six turnovers, five made field goals, six how is that possible, how in this era can a guy have this many games where it were turnovers surpassed made field. Well, he's old. I mean, he's old.

That's what's that. One thing I noticed the nicks were doing with him, but I didn't understand why the previous two playoff teams didn't do this. I don't really think he can go buy anyone anymore. And the next where he does the thing, he does a lot of stutter steps like he's going to

and then he does the step back. And I thought the last two rounds, everyone was falling for that. And then this especially bridges, so I thought was great tonight. Bridges was like, yeah, he worked. I'm not falling for that.

I don't think you're going by me. And when you go and do that step back, I'm going to be right there in your face. And I just thought hard and had a lot of trouble going to go and moldly was really good. And then Mitchell was, I had all these notes that I guess I just have to throw away about Mitchell after three quarters because I had this whole thing about is this Mitchell's moment.

First team on BA guys who never made the finals, which is like kind of a shorter list

than you think. It's basically like Dame, Nash, Paul George, C.Web, Trace McGradie, Joel and B.

“He's like, it's less than 10 people. And it was like, can you get off that list?”

Can he have like, because maybe this is it? And the next looks so disparited, it just felt like maybe we read this series wrong. I really thought the next we're going to kill the calves in the series. Well, the version of the next that I thought was the advantage version was the first quarter where all of their points are coming in the paint.

And that's true, they dominated points in the paint this entire game. And their ability, especially you may the good observation about bridges and his defense on Harden, he just, they, they have an advantage over Detroit. Detroit doesn't have any guards that could put any pressure at all on Cleveland's guards. But immediately the next made Harden and Mitchell uncomfortable.

Now, I thought Mitchell was pretty awesome across the game, but it's the full Mitchell experience.

One, he was one for one from the free throw line. And well, this is his issue, right? He ended up with three assists and four turnovers.

But here's the thing, right, when you are in the midst of the run that the next went on.

And they waited at about as long as they could wait, it was, you know, oh, he took point, it was 22 points for seven, half minutes left. Like this is type and five times in the history of the playoffs, right? But the, the true greats, the true greats, the guys, the first team all NBA guys, recognize what, what is happening and they go into their bag, right?

They settle their own team down, settle down and they change the pace of what the other team is trying to do. You've got to get to the free throw line at that point.

“Well, you have to, you can't keep just chucking up threes and that's what Cleveland did.”

That's why mobile ended up with, with 16 attempts, right? Eight, three point attempts from, from mobile. You know, I just think blowing a 22 point lead, I don't care how great the crowd was. We'll talk about the crowd in a second, how much of a heater runs some was on. 22 points is so many points and seven minutes that it's so many points.

I felt like Aconston was just this passive observer to the whole thing. I remember I've told this story before, but the Celtics Pacers game seven and 2005. So this is Ricky Davis, Paul Pierce, that team and it was the post-Maylay Pacers. And I thought that was one of the best coaching jobs I've ever seen by Carlisle that year. And he was like he was still missing some of his guys, but they took a big lead.

And every time the Celtics even had a chance of coming, he was time out, like or like some sort of thing to stop it. And it was just this jointed from that point on. That next run, it just felt like it was continuous. It was like watching a sports movie. Just felt like Brunson had the ball over and over and over again.

They didn't really trap them until like two minutes left. And then the big thing was, towns had that terrible foul. Yes.

“Where he has to pretend he can't believe they called it.”

It's like you've fucking pulled the guy, towns. So, OG's inside the freefield line with six feet of space in front of him. Right. And towns is holding Allen. And I think that was cut it to two. And then the cabs went back up six.

And it was like, wow, towns just screwed up the game for them. But then Bridges made a huge three and that like near the end of the shot clock too. And then she made a massive three and all of a sudden his hide. Then hard and made a really nice little James Harden foul line thing. I think Brunson came back and made it.

We had to talk about how great some of that shop make you Brunson. I mean, we've seen him do that. So you almost take it for granted. Yes. But he had five holy shit shots during that run. He had like opposite hand floaters off the glass.

He had like high ones that seemed like there was no chance it was going to go in. But it did. He was at three's and the next one off the cent. He did. He threw us off the cent. The second and third quarter he was shit. It scored 23 points.

The first quarter, the second quarter, the third quarter. 23, 23 and 23. Well, the thing is we're texting at the end of the third quarter about a lot better on the next.

“Because we've seen this next game 15 times this year, right?”

And we thought they graduated out of it. Maybe the Hawks series and the Philly series like that. This is now the new next. They're using towns more.

But the reality is they played a bunch of games like this this year where they look like shit

for three quarters and then they go on a heater. And I think the crowd was waiting for it. I was waiting for it. But once it got to seven and a half minutes left, down by 22. It's like, okay, I guess maybe they missed the window and then Brunson was just like boom.

And the crowd knew it. They knew when it got to within 15. They knew it was happening. And I thought that crowd was was a 10 out of 10. Kudos to everybody who was there.

Bill, they were dying. They were waiting for any just the slightest opening. Yes. Back to the game with seven and a half minutes left. Just all they all they needed the next to do was string together a couple of buckets.

But I do want to pat myself on the bat. I tiny bit for your lives.

Is that yes, because at the end of the third quarter going into the fourth,

what I texted to our thread, does anyone feel like the nicks can make a fourth quarter run in this shit fest? What did I text you back? I said yes. I'm staring at 10 and a half like at my girl pair of boobs.

That's that's where I wrote to our group. I'm like they're at it, direct direct book for best. And then you know, to Reem's credit. Reem says, you know what, on Christmas day, we had a very similar scenario. Me and our boy, JJ, just dream she tried to talk.

Dream and JJ tried to say, no, don't do it. Don't mess with it. Yeah, you don't do it. And then by Gali, the next came all the way. And you reminded everybody, the next, this is what the next do.

It's incredible. This is what they do with that said, at the end of regulation, Sam Merrill, some I wide open takes a three. It was down.

Did you hear this?

I rewound it to make sure, say this.

He's mayor for three bucks. No, it's out. He sent a buck. He sent the buck. He sent the buck. He sent the buck. The bang, the bang, the bang. He was kind of banging. And it really did like it went in and rattled out and just got the ghost MSG kicked it out.

But that thing was dead. Several years, it couldn't enlarge a complaint about brain doing these games in MSG. You know, he did the karma of Mike Breed and calling a next buck. He is the most impartial, he's brilliant.

“But I mean, the karma, but did he do the one last year, though?”

Did he do Halibut and last year, that would be maybe he didn't. Because it switches every year. So, Bronson ended up, what did he end up with for the game? Did he have 38, but he had 36 after regulation. And so, I 42, 11, run for the next one point.

So, I don't know, what do we name this game? Is it the buck game? Is it the Godhead's Cleveland game? This guy has Cleveland game. I don't know. It's too much. Like, it's an outcome where if you'd shown this to us,

this box score. Oh, it went over time. That's cute. Uh, you say, oh, Cleveland. Good job. Good job, Cleveland. Good effort. Good try. So much worse than that. It was, it was, it was. We'll get you up. 22. He came. They had this whole narrative about getting over the hump. We thought they revealed themselves on Friday night when they completely choked in that Detroit game, and they were just awful, right? Then that game seven Mitchell plays one of the best games of his career. Um, they tossed their balls on the table. And yet today,

they reverted back to who they were 53s. By the way, 16 for 53s. I don't love from them either. Just don't like 19 turn over. They have all the eight, three's for mobile. I just don't like it. And for three quarters, I thought they were doing everything right. Like, even when they started doing the hacker Robinson, I was like, yeah, I kind of like this. Don't let things go back and be inside. Yeah, definitely having an advantage inside. I mean, there, there is towns is lost. They,

they can't run his awful. They didn't at the elbow, you know, with the way that the nicks had so much success in the last series, they, they had Carl Anthony towns at the L. Boe. Do you see his turnovers? That's a pretty boy. Yeah, seven. The free, yeah. And they were putting little guys on him. And yes, the announcers Jefferson and Leglar are guys. They were like, I don't understand why

“they don't put towns on the little block and try to punish these guards. It's like, could you?”

Yeah, we, we asked that question every time this happens, they'd ever do it. He doesn't want to go down there. That's just what it is. So they got on lock him. I thought they were way too

Brunson centric for the first three quarters. Fourth quarter they had to, because I was the only

way they're getting back in the game. But they, they felt very stagnant, same old, uh, Brunson stuff. And the, the Mitch and towns, I would consider throwing that line up out there together a little bit too for Cleveland. The version of OG also first came back in in what is it two weeks now? And that was another big Cleveland mistake for nine. Guess who I'm leaving wide open in the last five minutes of the game and trapping off this guy, OG. I didn't think his threes were going and he shut

that airball and overtime. I didn't. Well, he didn't hit that one either. He didn't want to shoot it. He was like trying to pass them. He stopped taking the threes and he started driving in and to get to, you know, inside the Frito line. He was going for a floater. And that, I mean, he was going for a floater on the play that the towns committed the foul. Yeah. Um, the crowd tonight. So this has been obviously the next of ignited the city. This series and then the finals that they can get there

are going to be among the hardest tickets in New York history. Crowd was locked in today. Nobody left.

“There was a moment. I think it was after maybe when,”

shamed whoever hit the game time three is either shaman or bridges and they wide shot it, Cleveland didn't call time out. And the announcer's weren't even talking because I don't even think they could hear it. And they did the wide shot and people were just jumping up and down. It was like it was like a walk off baseball home run or something. Everybody was just so deliriously happy that they came back. Um, it was a really great atmosphere. I kind of wish I had gone.

I think it would have been worth a 3,000 bail trip to be there for that one. You know, I don't game one. No, I'm just saying I wish I had been in the atmosphere of that. Yes, for sure. I mean, the next fans are about as thirsty as it gets pretty soon. You'll be there with AJ to bands and towns and trade young. Maybe Kishan George. Maybe. Why not? Why not us? Could happen. All right. So what do we think for the series? I'll give you some odds. Don't look

the the series odds right now. Every time I go to the sandal now, they send me to the

prediction thing first. Then I have to go round and round and come up, sandal. Playoffs, futures.

-375 for the next. That sounds right. Just for winning game one, which I was supposed to win.

They had the the you you said at the beginning. Caves have to win four out of the next, you know.

“Well, you got to tell us. Is this it for the calves? Is that a death blow? What?”

No. I mean, do you think they could win this series? Would you would you wager on the calves plus 310? I wouldn't wager on the I didn't wager on the calves at the beginning of the series. Nothing's changed about my opinion on that. You know, I think they had to win this game. The single biggest difference to me is the return of OG who got to the free throw line 10 times even with all of, you know, the way it's just coming in. Yeah. But that, that, it looks impressive, too.

Yeah. It's just a deep team. It's just, they have weapons in a lot of different ways. They can defend,

you know, with with the best of them. And the fact that they were asleep for two quarters after not playing competitive basketball against a team that just came off a game seven win. Yeah. You don't, it doesn't change my opinion overall of what this next team is all about and

“where I think they're headed. Rusty and Leetharject. I have more concerns about towns than I did”

three days ago, but I, I feel like they can, some of the stuff that Caves were doing at some I wonder in the next series, especially if they play the Wemby UFO. I think I think some of, some of the tricks will be emulated. Okay. We've talked about the next series enough. That was a

great game. Not as great as the game last night. We're going to take a break. We're going to take a break.

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going to sound stupid if they end up losing the series, but I don't even think at the winner lose the series doesn't matter. He was doing something last night that I just felt like something disappointed shifted. I'm not the only person to say that. But it did bring me back to Augusta and all the sudden Augusta. It just felt small for tiger. Remember, we were like,

happening? Everything Wempy was doing last night. He took out SGA. SGA was a mess. He completely took out chat to the point that it was almost debatable whether he should be out there. He took out heart and sat, heart and sat in that take out two minutes into the game. He changed 50 shots, 41 points, 244 rebounds the box. He had a 32 footer to tie the game. He had a game tying shot and Dana regulation and did this all in the road, did this with the fucking energy from the MVP? Not getting that

shout out to Hakeem in 95 against Robinson. It was hard not to think about that moment. I think of the YouTube clip last night and just backed it up in all these different ways. And I think

for me, it's steady walks the walk and then backs it up and does shit that we've just never seen.

And you know, talking about arrival games, MJ 63 point game, Kobe in the 2000 finals after Shaq found out game for LeBron in 2007, the 48 special against Detroit. Curry had that unbelievable 2013 game won against the spurs, which everybody forgets now because there's been so many great games, but he would he goes into the next round and gets the spurs. I think he has, I don't know, like 10 threes or 40 plus points and just was going against the great spurs team by himself.

felt like on that level, like it was a before and after with this game. You agreed that? Of course.

“And the numbers back it up. I mean, you have to go all the way back to 1970 to find a performance”

where a player 22 years old or younger has a combination of 40, 20. That's Korean. There's only two players in the history of the game at that age to have a 40, 20. That's Korean and now Wemby. Yeah. And you have to use as your reference point. All of the great playoff performances, the highest leverage performances to create the context. And if we didn't have that Pacers come back last year against the next that that just incredible out of the

Halberd game. You could say, like, you know, so I was in my text read greatest game one in a conference finals ever. I have the list. I made a list. I mean, I made a list.

In the conversation. Here's what I wrote down. You tell me if it beat these games.

I went to this game. So I'm a little biased 2018 game one finals. The JR Smith game. I think that was the last great game. That game was eight years ago because LeBron is going against this, you know, juggernaut all time going to the game. And he's basically taking a tune by the by himself and physically dominated them. I think he had 50 or 51, whatever he did. But Cleveland lost. Cleveland lost the no-t. That's the problem. I'm just talking about as a game.

That game is a fucking awesome. That game was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. The charts. Awesome. Okay. And I understand what we're doing. The man in Korea at their peak and the Warriors still really good. That game was awesome. The Halberd miracle last year. That was a game one. And then the

“Everston 2001 finals against the Lakers. I think those are the most important for for this”

century for different reasons, right? I ever said, yeah, I ever said really needed that one in the legacy in the big picture is all the time made the finals. He took that was the best Laker team.

And I think that was probably the second best team of this century. And he just went toe to toe

with shack and Kobe and beat them did the step over. Shack had a 40 20. That game. We were reminded you know, inside the NBA this this evening. So I would go those 20 those four. And then the runner-ups the 2008 finals Celtics Lakers game one. The Paul Pierce Wheelchair game. So even that became the the and it was also a really good game. But just that the Celtics and Lakers were in a finals again in the hype leading up to that. I think is there. Dallas San Antonio O3. Durk had a 38 15.

Duncan had a 40 15. And this was like we thought this was going to be the start of a dirt first Duncan run. And it ended up for a variety of reasons not getting what that game was awesome. I don't want to sleep on that 97 finals Chicago Utah Malone wins the MVP and then Jordan hits the game winner and does the. Yes, that's got to be on there. 95 finals Orlando Houston Nick Anderson, the free throws, the four free throws. I wouldn't say that was a great game. But if you're talking

“drama and memory. Sure. It was one of the most memorable games of every. I remember like his career.”

I know where I was. Yeah, I could put myself right back there right now. Same year, indeed New York

six, three's 35 in the first half. Does the shrug. It was game one. Yeah. Wow. And then the 91 finals,

which is another one. That's like an awesome game. But it's 35 years ago. Bulls Lakers, magic versus MJ for the first time. Magic hits Perkins for a three to go ahead. MJ has a jumper to tie it. And it does the Mike Green bar and rattles around, but doesn't go in and they lose. And I think in the last 40 years, those are the ones. And I could go send these in for the last. But those tell everybody go on YouTube and watch. Yeah, please go watch us. But I really think this century,

those four 26, 18 gold state Cleveland, the caliber and game in the Iverson game. I think those really best for usually game ones aren't great. We've had some fun weird ones. Like,

“remember that your Phoenix beat San Antonio and like O3, O2 somewhere and they were Marbury,”

Marbury hit like a half court shot. Yeah. That was crazy. It was like the one great Marbury Phoenix moment. Maybe it was 2001. I remember it 2003, whatever it was. We've had some good ones that Celtics bulls 2009 roses rookie here was good. But those are the best ones. Usually the series there's like a feeling out. And this one didn't. And there was one of the things I wrote down was like, how's like the speed of that game compared to what normal basketball is? Like you

watch a game like tonight. And it just feels like it's on a podcast that's 1.0 versus last night the game was at a 1.5. Well, part of it that is because these teams are familiar with each other. This iteration of these teams and what the spurs did that's so remarkable over the course of

“the regular season. They used each of these matchups with Oklahoma City as referendum games for”

them. Yeah. Like this is why that organization is heads and shoulders above all others, you know, in the league. It's it's why the spurs have occupied rarefied air for 35 years, 30 years that's it. Well, they've also had some some fucking lockdown. No doubt. They went to Wemby lottery and Dunkin lottery. And the Dunkin lottery. Three teams pass on Dylan on a Stefan castle, including your stupid team. And then Dylan Harper at two. All that is true. And yet they are, they've

routinely maximized that good fortune. They really have your fortune. And they jump through the opportunity door. And it's apparent that this season coming into it, they're like every time that we play Oklahoma City, we are going to get in that ass. We we're going to, it's an experiment, we're going to be physical. We're going to run SGA off the ball. I mean, part of the thing, you

you gave Wemby credit for some impact on SGA. The answer is to that to me is yes, but it was a masterful

buzz. Yeah, it was everybody. It's the physicality of those guards. They doubled them. They run him off the ball. And what that creates is open shots for Alex Caruso. That's fine. Because

“Caruso knocked the whole bunch of them down. An Oklahoma City could have won. But I think the spurs”

are like, if we lose to Alex Caruso, that's okay. We are willing to live with that. By the way, what the calf should have done today with Anne and Obey. Yeah, they sure. I mean, the thing last night Wemby's point guard because Deer and Fox doesn't play. Castle mostly plays point guard. He's 11 turnovers. He played hard. He did a lot of good things. But 11 turnovers. He was trying. And the other ball hand or Dillon Harper who had an awesome game. And I want to talk about him in a little bit.

But he's 20 years old. They're in OKC. And at one point, there's a couple of points for OKC. He's like, here are our best defensive guys. We're just putting them all out there. Good luck. And it felt like they couldn't start their offensive with a 40 feet from the basket. It felt like they couldn't even figure out how to get Wemby the ball, even though he's 7 foot 7, 25 feet from the basket. And Wemby still pulled off the game with some help from from his guys. There was a couple of

big threes like champagne. He hit a huge three in the corner. At that, a sell had a couple of really

big plays. He did a castle. Never lost his confidence. He moved all the turnovers, which I really appreciated.

And I thought the defense, the fact that I wrote down on my notes, they basically forced OKC into the lineup that I'm not sure they're going to not be able to do the rest of the time. Where they basically had three guards with JWB would shed because they have to figure out a way to pull Wemby away from the basket. So they're just going to, like, heart and see, and I don't think can play in the series. I don't, I'm not positive dork can really play big minutes and crunch

that guy and help off him. So it's going to be a chess match, but I feel like the chess is already

been played to some degree. We'll see. The questions for me is, in the next game, are they going to just say Fox and Harper shoot threes until your heart? We're going to double team Wemby. We're going to trap them. We're going to make him give up the ball. And if you guys said threes, God bless.

“I would assume that's the move for them. OKC, I think, already made their moves by the second half”

of that game. I don't know. There, there, there are some things that feels like OKC can do to free up SGA. We're going to see some innovation yet. Well, I mean, there'll be some unique screening kind of situations. You know, we're going to see a version of SGA. I imagine that's a kid to the way that Steph gets free. They run him off of, you know, Pinda, he's running the entire of business. That's the totally his game, though. I was wondering, are they going to stagger him

for when Wemby's out of the game? You bring him, you try to have SGA in the 10 non-wevy minutes and stuff like that to just try to. That also sounds like a fine way of doing it. But where they have to get comfortable with and what SGA has to get comfortable with is he's got to be a mid-range shooter now because there's just can't go, go to the rim. You can't get to the rim. And they you can see Oklahoma City, palpably, dramatically impacted. It's not just the blocks and the

“alter shots. It's that the lane is no longer available. So you have to become comfortable in”

the mid-range. And that is a version of basketball that you and I watched, we grew up with it, but it's not how they play modern basketball. Yeah, there were some good stats. Deely for three, David Lee, that's his Twitter account, though, was talking about how SGA drives basically 19 times a game during the season and passes 38% of the time. But last night, 30 drives, and he passed 54% of the time, right? So it's not a huge thing, but it felt that way watching it. Like, he was trying

to get to spots. And there was always Wemby. I had this reader, a listener sent this great email

about how we should nick them, change Wemby's nick them to jaws. Because when the people decide to go in the paint, it's like when the swimmers go in the water, and that's like, "No, no, no, they're tripling." And that's just, and then Wemby's just kind of looming around with the sharp costume. But it, it does feel like he's changed as, I don't know how SGA snaps out of it. But SGA didn't seem as comfortable. He actually seemed the most comfortable just doing step

back threes, right? So that, that could work. That could work. I mean, he is the MVP of the league. We're going to see some wrinkles out of this, this Oklahoma City. This, this is part of why this series feels so rich. It's because the strategy element of this, I expect to see something new every game. We're not going to see the same game twice. I don't feel like in this series.

“Well, you know what else we might see in this game. This game, too, is, hey, can we start roughing up Wemby here?”

There was a clip that went around the this morning about Chet stepping on his foot during her free throw. Did you see that? No, I didn't see it. They were next to each other boxing out and right when the ball went up, Chet just stepped on his foot to try to trip him. And I wonder if they're going to start doing a whole bunch of stuff like that trying to get in and said, "One thing was saying in Tonya, they don't really have an enforcer."

Well, this is like, if you're going to play hard and shine, he has six fouls. Like, that's the point of his hard and side being on the floor. Yeah, the six fouls that he brings to the table. Definitely, it's just unleashes Wemby on the other end. He could just do whatever he wants.

But you're right. Maybe use them to beat him up. I think ultimately, Chet's going to have to

figure out a way to defend him because the problem with putting the guards on him, which sort of worked and got crews so going, but then you give up all these offensive rebounds. He had nine offensive rebounds last night. So you're making it harder from to get the ball, but then on possessions, you're giving them like an extra six seven to eight possessions a game. And I don't think that's worth it. Big picture on Wemby, we weren't there for Wilt. We were there for world enough to remember

70s Korean with the goggles, and then obviously 80s Korean when he wasn't really the same. But it does feel like what that must have been like when you just went to a game and Wilt was just destroying everybody. Sure. We've had, you know, we've had some great centers over the years that we've certainly loved talking about and loved watching. But when somebody can do it on both ends like that, and just completely destroy the psyche of a crowd. And, you know, we didn't

for me, like an all-time holy shit from the exact Steph Curry spot. I, did you think it was going in? Because I actually did. I don't know why it happened. I was like, I like it so fast. It was both in, ooh, and I was actually I had my kid with me and I, because I grabbed him. I'm like, you got to watch this. You, you're not permitted. This is, - This is, this is what you're gonna be pointing to this,

you know, as you grow up as, you know, something significant. And we both, I had it, ooh, I was like, when he pulled up, I was like, ooh, and I was like, oh, you know,

oh, what are those? - Yeah. - So that was like unbelievable. - I was looking for it because he kind of likes that shot. The problem was, he was so far away,

but I saw him trailing and I was like, kind of just watching it, but then when he pulled up, I thought he was gonna stop and realize he was too far and he just fired it.

- Somebody took the clip of Steph doing it with Breen's double bang and synced up the timing with Wemby so that they're on top of each other. And it's really, whoever did it, extraordinary job.

- It's basically the same spot, right?

“- It is, it is, that's what makes it so impressive.”

Is it like Steph and Wemby are in the same spot? All the floor. - I went back and I read the piece that I wrote after LeBron's 48 special against Detroit. And you know, it was like this real last potential thing

for all of us. And I thought actually, I actually kind of liked what I wrote. I was like, all right, I kind of captured that one a little bit, but it was basically like, here's the sky with all of these tools.

And we're hoping it's inside him and we're watching game after game week after week. Kind of hoping something like this will happen and then it started happening. Now he's doing that against,

you know, seven Pistons team that was getting a little long in the tooth, the league's pretty weak that year. There's only like five teams that, you know, the Cavsmen, the Finals that year, with one of the worst Finals teams we've had.

But it was a moment and it was like a really good sign when it happened, like, oh, this guy, he really might have it. Like this might be like a real Jordan Challenger.

This is the first real sign we have

that there's some real specialness here. I already felt that way with Wemby. And even we were texting before the game, the MVP thing, it was like notable because of the history of what's happened in basketball

with this, with Jordan and Malone in 97. And with a game in Robinson, it was like, this is interesting. He's not gonna like that they gave SJ the MVP.

“And I think that's my favorite thing about him”

about anything is I think he's a real fucking dick. Like he's a competitive mother fucker. He really is. Did you see that video of him watching the ceremony? He was like Pistoff.

- Yes, yes, I mean, and all of those historical parallels that we just eat up, yeah, this is what we love. And we get the benefit, I mean, there were half dozen different ways for the first lose that basketball show was.

- What did you think of the 32.32 foot three, three? - Yeah, and that was the first over time. They were down three at that point. It wasn't even regulation, it was an over time. - I thought they were gonna lose that.

- I thought they were gonna lose because of the minutes. - Yeah, because we haven't seen it out of him and the impact of no fox, what that meant, you know, that the extra minutes on Harper, the extra minutes on Castle, the turnover.

I mean, what did Harper and Castle combine for turn over wise? - They were discombobulated. - I kept thinking back to that Denver that Saturday, Denver, San Antonio game

that was awesome, that went in over time. - Yoke is just last great game. - The game that earned Yoke at number two on my VPVL, I thought when we got tired in the over time of that game, you could see it.

- So when I was watching the game last night, I kept thinking he was gonna wear down. And he just didn't take, like, whether it was the adrenaline of what was going on or the fact that they had been played for a couple days,

but I never thought he looked that tired.

The spurs guys after the game said he had no legs, we couldn't believe he took that. I never felt like he was worn out, because I think when he gets worn out he starts falling down and you can kind of see it.

I didn't feel that way last night. - I felt like he showed some fatigue,

“but I think the Oklahoma City couldn't be,”

we'll see how it goes as physical as Minnesota was. So I think it was a little bit of a breather for him against Oklahoma City, 'cause he just didn't have to take on any of that physicality. I mean, the size of Minnesota was legit,

and it was the only way for them to really compete,

and they could rotate a go bear in Randall in that role. Oklahoma City doesn't have that. - No, the other thing with the one be, I don't say this lately, I really feel like he checks all the competitive boxes.

Even when I've seen him in person, I don't feel like he's mailing it in, doesn't give a shit. Like I feel like he really cares and he's really competitive all the time,

though, honestly, the way Jordan was, that was one of the things we loved about Jordan. Jordan always cared.

He always put the proper level of competitiveness

and respect on the game and really like, just wanted to cut everybody's throat out, and it does feel like one be's wired like that a little bit. And for a center, that's a really rare trait. - That's the accelerant.

This is why we're in this position where we're having to revisit our priors on. - Yeah. - How quickly can a young team come together and really properly threaten?

The history of the NBA is littered with upstart teams, upstart young teams who have the talent, but don't have the basketball IQ, the wear with all, the reps under these high-levelage moments. And I wonder if--

- It's the 77 blazers, is the only team that did it. That's a really-- - I wonder if they were accumulating those reps over the regular season. - How about this one?

- I mean, it did Wemby was the Olympics, his version of those reps. I got that email a few times from people,

because it sounded like he's never tasted his own blood.

“It's like he actually did it in the 24 Olympics, right?”

That was the first time he took some hand-makers. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - It's definitely true. - And he got time to assemble those legs.

- This is why I was wondering a lot about this idea of each of those games against Oklahoma City in the regular season as referees. - Like really mad. - And they kicked ass all season long.

They did not take nights off to your observation, your point, that's right. They didn't, that competitiveness. And it wasn't just Wemby. It was that whole spurs team,

'cause Wemby missed a whole bunch of games. - Yeah. - And they still rat, you know, won the number that they won. And it was like 25 games over, whatever their wind tunnel, 20 games over the weather forecast,

the wind tunnel was supposed to be like. - I said something to add to that. I genuinely thought they were gonna win the series. And I think Wemby, I just think we're gonna be coming to grips

with what's happening here over the course of next four weeks. I was on one text right where they were like, said, like, oh, there's those who beat us face the league and do it on that stuff. And I said, I don't know what face the league means.

I just know that this is the biggest appointment TV viewing that the league has had since curry in the Warriors in the middle 2010s. And this doesn't happen very often. We weren't sure if it was gonna happen again

with anybody we had.

And we always try to put the guys

that we have in position, you know, you and I love watching Joker. Not everyone loves watching them. Wemby appeals to every single person because of how tall he is and how skill he is

and how unusual he is and how much he gives a shit.

“And I think this will end up being probably”

the most watched series. Non-finals that the league has had at least in 10 years, you know, and it's definitely passes the mom test. I'm sure, I'm sure whoever whoever's mom or dad that doesn't follow sports probably brought up

the Wemby game to you today, right? That that's our to whoever's listening. This is the end and people who missed it. They won't miss tomorrow night. They won't miss, you know, the Wednesday night game

because it is absolutely appointment TV. We have the rating MVP of the league in SGA that's a controversial figure, you know, the worm has turned a little bit a lot of, you got to get 50, 50 on foul merchant out of out of out

of SGA. They will call on yesterday. The reps were great yesterday. I like that on both sides. You and me both, I thought it was fine.

I thought it was a very fair game. But, you know, and you put that alongside a player that none of us have seen. You had, you know, Jamal Crawford last night's day. We've never seen a guy like this before.

We can't really process. Yeah. I mean, I have my quibbles with Reggie Miller. Oh, really? Oh, god.

Oh, god. Really, really, really low of those memories. It's a nice guy. It's nice guy. Dillon Harper.

OK, let's do it. I watched a game yesterday with my daughter who's coming up later on the podcast, actually. Who was half paying attention all the time? And at one point, she turned to me and said,

wow, you really loved Dillon Harper. So you'd like your favorite non-saltic. And I said, I think he might be.

“I think like, I think you're good to curry.”

I just loved Dillon Harper. I love how he plays. I said, I sound like Collins Worth.

I just loved that kid so much.

I was just an off what he was doing yesterday. Where they're like, hey, Fox is in playing. We know you're 20. And we know we're going against the team that has the best collection of defensive guards, probably

at the last 15 years. Do you think he could give us 40 plus minutes tonight and do a whole bunch of shit? And maybe go, I saw everyone once in a while and go grab some rebounds, oh, and jump in the passing lanes

again, what do you have seven steals and get big rebounds of traffic?

“Oh, and don't get tired, even though you should be”

like a sophomore in college. I thought what he did was add a control. And if anything, I was texted people during crunch time in the OTs, like, as the castle thing was really going sideways, like, why don't they run stuff for Harper?

Why don't they run high-pick and roll for him with a shooter? Like, I want to see-- I think, OK, see, we have trouble defending that. And we just fall across half-quarter.

No, we're supposed to be-- And he ended up being the guy a bunch of times. Yeah, I think they really need him in this series. But what he did yesterday, I thought, I was just of some press.

And I'll say this house. You know it, I don't say stuff like this lately, because he've known me for almost 40 years. To me, like, we saw Kate in college. And the first five years, you and I didn't even

have an internet calm when he got traded the first time. And you and I were so apoplectic that they traded him, Dallas. We were like, how do you trade Jason Kader? Like, that's insane.

How do you ever, in a million years, do that?

I think a ham, I think, a Chris Paul in the mid-2000s. Like, we're talking about, like, top 50 guys ever. And some of the best young guards we've seen in our lifetime. And I think he's going to be as good as those guys. I really do.

And I think he's going to be, like, a call of fame, multiple first team on BA type of guard. Well, the cool thing is, if you had Harper Stock, when they drafted him, an important element of what's going to propel that stock into return

on investment, double digit strata is how free he can play basketball with playing alongside Victor Webbanyard. It's the perfect guy to play with him. He's absolutely perfect. That's exactly.

He only shot one for seven from three last. And it would have been, but he got to the free throw line. I mean, he's the multi-fast 11 rebounds. Like, how is he getting double digit rebounds?

“Well, that's what the team needed out of him.”

And, you know, he was able to drop down and grab. And the poise going to the hole. This is what, poise is physicality. There you go, that's it, that's right, exactly. He took every bomb, he took every bit of,

and this is why the spurs are so live in the series. It's because I think they can out physical Oklahoma City. Right, they took the blow that Minnesota representative. Minnesota was a wake-up call. Game one of that series was a wake-up call for these spurs.

Welcome to the playoffs, gentlemen. Now we've started. Yeah, right. And to their great credit, they recalibrated.

They're like, oh, okay, well, here's what we have.

Here's what we can do. And they could handle that physicality. I think Minnesota did them a great service in preparing them for this series. And they showed up ready to get in that ass.

And they did. They were in it all game long. They were physical with SGA. Now the one thing you said in a couple of minutes ago, we'll be having that whistle.

“What's that whistle going to be throughout the balance of this series?”

And in fact, for both of us, you're right now. What's that whistle going to be tomorrow night? Wednesday night. I think tomorrow's going to be the exact same. It's the exact same line, which suggests that what is Fox playing

or not playing, it'll be a game time decision. I would assume he's playing. He should play. And I would assume he'd be better. I really think this series is going to get small.

And it's going to be the three guards against the three guards on OKC who are over there in JW and Vessel. And then in Chet and Wemby and that's just what we're going to do. And it's going to be in OKC. We'll probably look at that game one and say, we should have won.

The champagne three really hard shots shouldn't have gone in. Jail Williams and WOT that terrible shot. He took with like 35 seconds left that kind of rush shot. OKC had like bad shots. I'm sure they looked at the tape and we should have won that game.

No stupid. The difference is Fox is going to come back and Harper got a taste of it. Harper now knows the speed. He understands like a three hour game like that that there's levels to it. You got to save stuff.

now right over the next 10 years. This is the worst version of him and he's already awesome. And then Castle's 21 that's the other crazy thing. It's not you you almost look at Castle's like a 27 year old. He's 21 and you know, body through everybody and he's one of the most physical guys

in the series. I still think San Antonio is going to win.

“I thought that before this series, I think that after game one.”

I don't know how many games it's going to be. But I just think I hope it's seven.

I want seven of these we need an incredible matchup.

So the guys to watch in game two. Number one is Chet. I think this is the biggest game in his career so far. He's going to have a long career and a lot more good ones. But I thought he just got his ass kicked in game one and he's got to figure out.

He can't only have seven attempts, just like the I need to feel you in this game. I did not really feel you in that first game. I felt Caruso and then the other thing, which I mentioned before this series and maybe it'll shake itself out with heart and seeing not playing as much. But they played 11 guys in the first half and that that was a big thing I was worried

about though KC is like, do they know who their best guys are, do they know what their best line-ups are? I still don't think they totally know, they have like eight guys they trust. But I'm not sure he knows which should be where and the Jalen Williams thing is a big thing they introduced that in nowhere and throughout.

For any, yeah, he took 25 shots, right? Welcome back to the right. They were open. Get your 25 piece. I mean, he took two more shots in SGA.

“I'm going to read you a list of the best 21st century games.”

And you tell me, was the game we saw last night, I'll go, game by game. You tell me if it was better or worse. All right. So we, we just did the game one. No, I thought it was.

That's game. We said.

It was an incredible go-go ahead, fine.

Just trust. Okay. Was it better than the Hall of Burton game last year? I liked it better. I don't know.

I don't know. That's the right answer. Was it? I liked it better. Was it better than that?

No, I liked it better because the spurs were seven point underdogs, missing the air and Fox, and they had every excuse in the book to not, you know, to just come into that environment on MVP night, right, and just, you know, just a great effort, and then let Oklahoma City do what you want to do, which is, you know, win by 10 or 12. I have it over that game.

Do you have it over game four, 2022 finals, Curry, basically his legacy game. That led to his fourth title. No, much more at stake in that game, much more at stake, the leverage is so different. So that's it.

“I'm going to make that a TVD because if San Antonio Hubbard series, I think that's what you”

have now. I'm going to have a hard time putting that game last night a game one in a conference finals with a brand new team with the identity of the spurs over any finals game, any legacy games. I think that's the right answer.

I'm with that Milwaukee Brooklyn game seven, Durant foot in the line, pretty great game. Yeah. That was an awesome game. I think last thing was better because I did the quality was better because that game had, Durant was great, but a James Harden on one leg.

There was no Curry. Yeah. Yep. No, the last night was better. Really Toronto game seven, Kowai shot that bounce way up in the air and went in.

I think I got to give it to that feeling quiet. I think that one was better. I think that one was better. Yeah. That game was unbelievable.

The J.R. Smith game, the bronze to be proud after that game. We didn't have any tears last night. No. Game on finals. I think that's a really tough one.

It was like LeBron's last stand in Cleveland, basically.

That 2018. Yeah. They came one. LeBron by himself against the words for two and a half hours. Last time.

That game felt more I, um, 2016 game seven finals, that beats this. Come on, man. The clay Thompson. You just had to mention it. The clay Thompson game, which is game six against Houston.

Now, game six, go and stay that Oklahoma City, go and stay down three one. They won't get five. Houston. I knew it was hard. Yeah.

Yeah. I knew which. What I was talking about, uh. It was the rant Westburg, not hard. We're all right.

We're allowed mistakes.

down the tubes. It's pretty quick in. Damn.

I'm going to give, uh, give it to clay.

I think that's the right answer. San Antonio Cooper's game seven round one.

“I think this was better, even though that was a fucking awesome game that I went”

to, by the way, 2013 game six final San Antonio Miami, the Ray Allen game. There's no way that game was that better than that thing. Yeah. Okay. All right.

You're just trying to set a context here. I appreciate it. Last one from the last 15 years, so I have two more from the last 15 years. To bulls beating Miami to end the 27 game win streak was my favorite game that nobody talks about anymore.

That game was fucking awesome. I love the win streak. I love the win streak. I love the win streak. I wrote like a seven thousand word calm about the win streak.

That was a great call. The win streak was awesome.

That'll never happen again.

Nobody's ever winning. In twenty seven straight games ever again in the regular season. I wouldn't say that. That was a real good. No man's shit.

It's never happening. The spurs might want to try and do that next season. And then the last one I had was 2011 game five Dallas Miami, which I went to. Jason Terry had the big three to end it, but that was like the not one, not two, not three by him.

He just taking it on the chin and game four and game five and the crowd was delirious. Um, I still think last night was probably slightly better, but anyway, those are the ones I had from the last 15 years. So we kind of had it slated somewhere in the middle there. The thing is, if San Antonio wins the title and this was the best game of the entire run,

“I think that gains and Sydney forgets, right?”

Okay. Okay. I'll accept that. Yeah. No pushback for me on that.

What was the best tiger Holy shit he's in our lives forever, Master? Was that 2000? Wow. Well, because yeah, 2000, 2000 was that we're in trouble for a decade now. We're not at that point with one be it.

We're in the 97 masters area of one be because it's in a rival moment. So don't rival. Right. Yeah. This was this was the highest stakes, the, I mean, unless you want to use the Olympics as

the highest stakes, the, you know, the gold medal game, France against the US. What, what, yeah, was July, 24. Yeah. That was pretty important game for, for Wemby, but he's bigger now, he's stronger. Well, the greatest players ever all have a knack of coming through it a pretty

“precociously early age, but even magic when the title one is age 20, right?”

Yeah.

Third one title in his second year, um, Karim one in his second year, Russell one in his

first year, you know, it took LeBron a few years, but that had more to do with the crappy guys on his, on his Cleveland team, same thing for Jordan, but for the most part, they kind of start telling us who they are pretty early in their career, and I think, I think he told us last night, would be my big takeaway. But the Dylan Harper thing, long term, the fact that they have those two guys together

with Castle as a third, I mean, can you believe we live in a world where they are set up as better than okay sees already? It's like that's ain't, would it seem impossible a year ago? Oh, impossible, you what, I'm not sure it's better. What happens if you win the better is Wemby would have to get hurt for it not to be

better. What if Oklahoma City wins the series four games the one because they go on. I'll take Wemby, I'll take Wemby Harper and Castle. You take SGA and any other two okay see guys, which three would you rather have? Uh, well, when okay see has Janis next year because of all of the picks that they have and

all of the, I mean, which, which okay see are we talking about? That's the other question from the series. What if they, if San Antonio fumps it to them, is there some sort of move now? Do they look at they to go? I would five games to one, that's a, that's a, a feature, not a bug, where they, they played

six times these two teams regular season and now one, one play off and it's five games to one, like I, I, the, the evidence continues to mount, I'll just put it that way. I mean, I know a bunch of different times when they played, not all of the, both teams weren't, they're full, complete versions of themselves, so on and so forth, but San Antonio is held bent on sending a message.

They are held bent on sending a message to Oklahoma City. They have it circled in red on their, their calendar and we're just going to see, we're

Do you see yourself turning on Wemby at any point? Over the course of the year, over the course of the playoffs, I loved to come up in. I felt like it was a come up in, when the Joker and Denver beat them on that incredible Saturday night game, it was like, this is a measuring stick game, and look how close you are and yet you're, you're, there's just one, one other level at the level, yeah.

That level, unfortunately, included Aaron Epping Gordon, not being hurt, God damn it. I'm, I'm going to be bitter about, you know, the existential crisis that Denver is in now because, and I mean, I'm not, I'm not, you know, denigrating Gordon. And he just couldn't get healthy in the playoffs for two consecutive years now and we're losing out on, on this Joker moment and that, that Denver team was supposed to be better.

Because none of us like Karim, we can be honest about that.

I, I've, I've never, you know, it's not in my DNA.

We respect them. We just, to hate on him. No, we, we respect them, but nobody was like, I'm a huge Karim fan.

“I love Karim, Karim, I think there are, I think there are likeers people that would say”

that they had a career because he was not in their team. Yes. That's right. You talked yourself in a lake in Gilbert, at least for four years. Gilbert Reans was fucking awesome.

No, for one season. He sure was. No, I, I think, usually with the tall giant guys, eventually they become the villains, you know, and this has happened a pretty much every tall guy has ever played basketball. I don't know if it happens with them.

Because he's so, he's so different and he's so much fun to watch and he's so competitive. I think if somebody cares as much as he cares on top of the talent, it's really hard to root against that. I don't know.

I think there's an undercurrent out there as Chicobie.

Chicobie. I know there's an undercurrent. I, I don't know. Well, there's a, there's a, there's a xenophobia thing that's happening, too. Or people are like, oh, what's happening?

We're losing our sport to the international's. No, I mean, that part, I don't care about. I do like, it's the tough guy stuff, let's, you know, this is why I enjoyed what Minnesota did to him in, in game one. Yeah.

Well, and what, and what do Dorts going to be doing to him in game two through the entire series? I mean, they baited him into the, uh, the elbow to the throat that could have been a suspension. I'm glad it wasn't a suspension, but they got them. They won two games by being physical with him, knocking him out of his, and that's what his game is, Lutor, it's going to do the bread heart when bread heart put the metal vest under

his hockey jersey when he was against Bill, go Goldberg, go Goldberg, Spiritum, but bread

heart at a metal vest on.

I think Lutor, it's going to wear that tomorrow. It's going to be my right time.

“Remember, that's what the fouls are for.”

Yeah. That's what the fouls are for. I can't wait. I, I think tomorrow. I think this whole series is like, you can miss a minute.

There's no excuse. Tell your wife. Tell your girlfriend. Tell your spouse. Yes.

Your boyfriend, whoever doesn't want to watch basketball do, they can fuck off for three hours. This is a must watch every minute. We don't know when we're getting another series like this. It hasn't happened for eight years.

Don't sleep on how impressive these two coaching staffs are and can be and the innovation we're going to see. It's the diametric opposite of what we want to leave. It's like Kenny Ackon syndrome after a cup of coffee.

“Like, I just can't, like, I still can't unsee that Detroit.”

I'm so glad it's over. I'm sorry. I live through it. This is the diametric opposite. These are two staffs or so goddamn innovative where every game's going to look

different. Jamal, mostly, back in action with the whirlwinds. Congratulations. Jason Kiddfire today. Saw that.

That was one of the more I wish I forgot to predict that on a podcast because the combo of Masai taking over, that was Masai wants his guy, which is understandable. Jason Kidd, who during, like, at least the last year, Luka was there, was complaining about him to everybody and there's no way he didn't know about that trade. And there's no way he wasn't trying to jet out mine, track people and betray to him.

And he definitely knew about it before it happened. And then the trade happened is like, I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know what happened. They were definitely going to. Well, the story and the joke that she him at some point.

Our out is like he was hoping for a front office kind of thing. Like maybe there was a job last summer. Dean was he pushed him to, you know, he definitely winked with the circuit trade and then you're four months later saying, yeah, I'd love to check out this next thing. That was definitely one of the, the possibilities out there.

Well, maybe the part of the guy will hire him at a discount because he's already getting paid by somebody else. That guy fired 70 people today, I saw. Like, what the fuck is going on? Like, what, what is this league?

The, the three most recent owners now, you can, you can, you know, take Ishpia and

a team together and build excitement.

“I want the best players and, you know, he hired, you know, two consecutive coaches with”

some pedigree guys that had accomplished some things in, in, in, in vocal and then, bud. But, you know, I don't, Ishpia, he spent money, he was just misguided and then he listened to good basketball people and the team that they feel the season was like, okay, this is, this makes sense. That's a competitive.

It's like for that. Well, the Dallas, it's just like the fact, the Dallas situation with those people and whatever scheme that they have up there sleeve with that we want the casino and, you know, we sanction Nico getting rid of our best, the antagonism towards the fan base and then this fucking guy comes in to Portland and he's like, I'm not paying splitter.

He coached this team to unprecedented outcome. They made the effing playoffs and then, you know, what, oh, congratulations playoff team. I'm getting rid of two thirds of the infrastructure that we have here in a city that's it's a captive audience, right? Like, the only other pro, they have the women's team, the women's WNB-18, Saladin.

And they have a soccer team, they have a soccer team. So, I mean, you know, like, the trailblazers are tied to that community and by the way, that community is subsidizing your fucking stadium, bro.

The state and the city approved, you know, $350 million of renovation and he's going to

“come in and run the organization like, what, what, what is he saying is hockey strategy?”

Is NHL strategy. He's trying to out. I don't know what he's doing. I don't care about this. I don't understand why you spend this bunch of money on a team and then you try to

cut costs all over the place. It's so weird to me. What message are you sending to the fans? That's the purpose of doing that here. Yeah.

It's not a, it's not a company that go ahead and run it like a company, you're asking people to pay their money, the revenue is what the bulls do. He's looking at what the bulls do and it's like these dumbasses are paying for their tickets every year. Maybe I'll do that.

I won't pay electric facts. I'll save money all over the place. I'll be profitable. It's very cynical. The built-in subsidy that comes from the national TV contract, they're all buoyed by it.

The franchise is only going to move in one direction because, you know, these rights continue to go and we'll see how what, what packages the NBA innovates itself into in terms of streamers on, you know, whatever the cup and these, these sets of games or whatever over the next 10 years.

But the 80 billion, what is it now, 70 billion that's left, 65 billion that's left

on this, this rights deal ensures a trajectory for the value and he paid what he paid. They got a valuation out of it. He was a good soldier in that respect, right? Was the valuation four and a half billion bucks? That's what it paid.

I don't know if it was the value. Yeah. That's a right, exactly. But that's a problem. All these people are spending, there's been in that kind of money.

But the team is in profitable, then they have to zag the other way, which raises the question, why did you pay for the first place? Yeah. And set in the form of the expansion teams that we'll see if they get the money or not. We have to go.

We have to go. Congrats on the most boring boring PGA tournament we've had in the wild. Made up for it by Wemby. Great winner, Aaron Ryan, everybody's the niceest guy. The niceest guy.

People's champion. My great guy. How's your the people's champion? Thanks for staying up with me. We're going to take a break.

We're going to come back with CR, Chris Ryan, Anthony Dubundo. We're going to talk some soccer next. So I'll play off so long. I've been looking through the lines, the props, the futures, everything, share my favorite picks from Fandle Sportsbook on my Twitter feed, and share a lot of times, a straight

up bet, parlay, I'll do some add-ons, and I'm looking at this game to OKC San Antonio.

“I think there were some really instructive lineup stuff that my guess is OKC is just going”

to have to go smaller, and then conversely, San Antonio might have to play more grads as well. Figure out the right kind of same gamer that steers toward some of the shorter players show we call them. So I will have a final pick on that before Game 2 on my Twitter feed, still debating who's

going to win. I think every one of these games is going to be close. You look at Game 1. If CRuso doesn't hit 10 shots, he makes like 6, 7, 3s.

If he doesn't have basically the shooting game of his life, I think San Antonio would

win that game by 20, and that was with Castle turning the ball over 11 times, no daring fox. So I feel like all these games are close, or San Antonio is going to win.

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my winnings instantly. Fandle, play your game. Alright, CR, Chris Ryan is here, Anthony DeBundo, here as well, you can hear him and listen to him and watch him all the time on the ringer gambling show, and this is his time, because basketball and HL playoffs tennis, although we lost Alcaras for Wimbledon today, Wimbledon.

World cups coming, shaping, sleek, and then I just have so many soccer questions that I know nothing. So I'm like, I'm just going to break two smart guys on the pod who follow soccer and they're going to tell me stuff. Let's start here, Tottenham, my dad of the Premier League, my team.

I had my second kid and I just, I fell off with them and I apologize, but so they lost

today, explained the stakes to Bundo on Sunday. What walk us through everything we have to look forward to. When is this game going to be on? What's going to happen? Can I weigh you on this?

Walk us through it. So Tottenham or two points ahead of West Ham with one match to play, and all 20 teams play, simultaneously on the final day, 11 a.m. Eastern, so 8 a.m. Pacific, Sunday morning, little lot coffee and football, Tottenham or at home against Everton who have nothing to play for, but I'm sure would love to play spoiler.

West Ham hosts leads who also have nothing to play for, Tottenham just need to draw. If they draw, they will be safe. However, if they lose and West Ham wins, then Tottenham, one of the ten richest teams in the world, one of the six richest teams in England and one of the biggest clubs and historic clubs in the sport will be relegated to the second division, which as a spurs

fan myself is an existential crisis that I've never felt as a sports fan in my life.

Our American teams had bad years, but like, okay, we'll get him next year. This is not something I've ever experienced, so now I'm kind of terrified. So you see our, what's the history of this? What's the worst example of this ever happening?

“Honestly, well, one of them is leads, so leads like, who flew too close to the sun”

about, I guess it would have to be back to 20 some years ago, went down and it took them forever to get back up into the Premier League and really have only like fully stabilized themselves as a Premier League club in the last couple of seasons. The one silver lining to this that I would give to Bundo is that we have recent history with clubs like Ashton Villa and Newcastle going down and then coming back up, Tottenham

has like too much money to fail, ultimately like they'll lose some really good players. It's going to be tough that they have essentially the crown jewel stadium or one of them in the entire country and they're going to be hosting like really small clubs if they go down, but I don't think it's done deal yet. When I watched West Ham, the last West Ham match, like, I was like, back club looks like

fully on its knees, but Tottenham really needed this one today and I think it's probably all the more painful that Chelsea beat them today. So, this is as much drama as we could possibly get on a Sunday other than if the actual title is at stake. Yeah, it would have been cool if City had won today just for last day final stakes, but

yeah, Arsenal is now officially the Premier League champions as of today, which isn't even bigger, but it was kill for us, I suppose fans, your biggest rival could win the league and you could get relegated in the same year, it's like the worst year imaginable for us. So, DiBundo, what is the NFL NBA equivalent of this? Everything that's happening right now would it be like if the sixers were in danger of getting relegated,

like how big of a team are there? I don't even think there is a comp. Like, I was thinking like the New York Giants, maybe, it's not the Cowboys, but like the Giants and the Chicago Bears, just being out of the NFL for a year. It would be, honestly, a good, a good one would be the red socks have to go to triple a baseball

for the season, while the Yankees are coronated as World Series champions. Oh, my God, I can't even imagine.

“For Arsenal and Tottenham fans, that's what the rivalry is, except it would be like if”

if they were in the same city and they just hated each other, they were the same part of the same city. So, from a bragging red standpoint, can you come back from this? No, they're, I, yeah, I mean, it would take multiple generations. Like, they, I mean, look, Arsenal had a holiday that they used to call every year, saying Tottenham's day, they would celebrate it every year when they finished above spurs.

And for 20 straight years, they did. And honestly, as a spurs fan, the year we finally broke that. It shouldn't have mattered, but it really did. We finally were able to have a run of dominance. And for, you know, five or six years spurs were the best team in North London.

That has dramatically flipped now the last three or four years where Arsenal's taken back control. But the odds of, you know, Tottenham haven't been relegated in this era of the Premier League. It hasn't happened to the clubs since the '70s, and then since the Premier League was founded in '92,

they've never been relegated. So this would be, yeah, battles, battles, and cets.

Like, they're not going to be able to recruit players. They're going to lose all their good players.

“If you're a good Tottenham player, why would you want to stay?”

When you go play for another better team, they, it, it, it'd be creates a, a bit of a, you know, snowball effect down the hill here that could happen for the club. I'm so fascinated in this, and I wish I had gotten more fascinated sooner, because I would have really enjoyed the, I, I first remember mid-season like, hey, they make it relegated. It's like, there's no way. They've weighed too much money,

but to be in that crazy stadium, they have playing, playing secondly games. I don't even, I can't even, it breaks my brain much like when B's 32.3 foot three broke my brain last night. There's, you know, and, and it's not dissimilar from that, where it's like a great reminder of

why sports is just amazing to watch, where it's like, for a couple of years, it felt like

maybe the gap was getting too wide between championship and Premier League football. The money was getting too distorted, and you'd frequently have teams that came up and went right back down.

“And in some ways, some teams actually like modeled their success by like getting up for a season”

to get Premier League money, getting the parachute payments going back down, that it, it was in its own kind of money ball in the sense. Like, there are clubs like, if Switch or West Brahm, who might even have said to like, oh, this is how, like, our model for our, our success, taught, it's not supposed to happen at taught. You know, like, this is taught him was, it'll a couple of years ago, like knocking on the door of the top three, four of

the country, and they built this enormous stadium and mortgage it a lot of their future on this stadium. And now they have to, you know, they're going to have to figure out a way to pay for it with, like, no walk on me to town. Unbelievable. So they've also financially built a team like around the club, everything off the field about taught him is great. The books look great. Everybody's happy with the business, the stadium, all that stuff. And it's come at the expense

of they had the same guy running the team, Daniel Levy, who's been running the club for 25 years. He just departed. The club became so big to the point where he wasn't doing a good enough job overseeing the actual soccer team, you know, the buying and the selling of the players. And they just let the, the transfer strategy completely rot. And they embraced a bad kind of analytics that got them into a lot of bets on a lot of players that didn't have upside that maybe they thought

they did. And now they're left with a pretty rotting core of untalented young players. So so is there a villain like who are the, who are the sparse fans? You know, who probably point to, I think some sparse fans were probably a point to Thomas Frank who managed the club at the beginning of this season. And was a really heralded hiring. He had come over from a boyfriend. He played smart football, which was tactically astute. And he had bred for him. He was a really

pretty small London club punching way above their way. And I think people thought it was a pretty logical higher. And it just went so disasterously. And so poorly. And then, to the point, who was the manager in between Frank and deserving? Yeah, Igor Tudor. That's right. They're short of the run.

This guy was supposed to be basically an emergency room surgeon and his expertise is to like keep

“them up. And he shows up and like, I think he was gone what? And like 19 days, how long was he there, right?”

It was, it was less than Liz trust. I think it was like 48, 40 something days. Yeah. This is one of the first Liz trust medicine engines on Phil's pod. This is great. And now they've got this guy Roberta deserve a who came over from, he was coaching in France at Marseille. And he plays like really electrifying football, but it just might be too late. And, you know, these guys are coming in. It's like hiring a coach in any other league midseason to like, you're not

practicing all the time. You've got games every like three days pretty much. And now it's, it's really just a like all hands on deck. Sunday is going to be nuts for that. So is, what are the stakes for the players on the team, right? Because if this happened to like, I don't know, the Chicago bulls. Josh Giddy would care that he was down in the G league for a year. And he would have no way of getting out of his contract. Can all of these guys like get out of their deals? Like, what happens?

That's the thing. It's a little bit of a black box. You don't really know. Now, a lot of the lower ranked teams when they sign contracts with those teams, the players will get some kind of relegation. Yeah. Claws. But, you know, when you're negotiating with Tottenham, are they still making sure to, you know, cross the T's and dot the ice to make sure that there's claws in there. So we don't entirely know. Yeah. It's not entirely public. Just how many players can leave.

However, they do have still multiple world class players. Christian Romero, who's going to start for Argentina this summer, Mickey Van Deven. They're James Madison, who's been, you know, Premier League champion in the past. Like, there's plenty of players in this team that could go and play in other Premier League teams or other countries and be very, very successful there. So those guys are going to want out and you can't just hold them hostage. So it's going to be very

fascinating to see what happens to summer. They're also going to want to sell high on whatever, I mean, if you call selling, if you call it selling high, because they're been relegated. So they're

try and sell high to like mitigate some of the financial losses they're going to experience. Like, from that we know fans for you. Well, then the money, the TV money, there's something there's something to be said for, there is history of teams going down and like it's almost like a cleanse. You know what I mean? Like, we have to get all the bad blood out. Maybe we get some of these contracts out. Like, we're going to immediately be these runaway favorites to go wired

a wire to win the championship next year. I mean, Tottenham in the championship is insane. So I would assume that they will probably have a pretty glorious run in the championship where they they kick ass all season and their fans, the ones you show up. I don't know if they'll be like a full capacity Tottenham stadium. But it'll be like fun. You know what I mean? It's just going to be weird because you're in the championship. It's a win again. Yeah. So this is where Tottenham

then trip away. Yes. Basically. But you did ask Bill, like who's it fault here? Daniel leavey is the first name. Yohan Long, who's the new sporting director. He's the second name.

“But this is not a one year issue. And I think that's the one other problem. They finished 17th last”

year. Right. They had the most bizarre season where Anj Pasta Kagu was their manager. They finished

17th. And they were never actually in danger of getting relegated. 18th is relegation because

the gap was pretty big. But they barely won any games. The second half of the season. They put all their eggs into the Europa League, which is a secondary competition. They won that. They won their first trophy in 18 years, 17 years last year. And then they had to make a decision on the manager. He just won you. You're first trophy in 17 years. But you were awful. Most of the season. They fired him. And a lot of people had mixed opinions on that decision. He's probably looking

down smiling at the moment at the fact that they might be relegated. It's Pasta Kagu. So for the people that don't know this that are listening, I wrote a whole giant column about trying to pick up Premier League team. I think in '07 it was before my second kid was born. And I really tried to get into it for a couple years and I watched a lot of soccer and my daughter started playing. And I actually did follow it. And then I just couldn't keep up. There was too much sports. There

was too much parents stuff. It is funny CR that I picked what seems to be the perfect team for me. I think I really would have enjoyed this Tottenham ride the last 20 years. So I would be losing my mind right now. If they're about to get relegated. Yeah, you should also have maybe chosen Liverpool in the first place. So you could see where all John Henry's money was going. Yeah, that was the runner-up. But I think they had had a little too much success when I was trying to figure that out. I wanted

a team that you know is going to they were going to rise up and exercise demons all the stuff. Yeah, there's nothing like Rafi Devers getting traded. It'd be beautiful to text you really thanks again. It's a really work out though. Liverpool just spent the most money they've ever

“spent on one player. The same with the Rafi All Devers was traded. Yeah, I believe. That's why”

we all want them to sell. So West Ham, what is the NFL NBA equivalent to them? Like mid-level? Oh, that's a good question. I think of them more like a Chicago Bulls. Like they are historically

really well-supported club. I don't even know if they've ever they never really had a Jordan

Arrow although they they have been great in the past historically. But they have moved into the London Olympic Stadium out of Upton Park, which is where they used to be. They moved into this giant cavern of a stadium and it's been pretty bad for the last couple of seasons. I think they they made some noise in the conference league to bundle. I can't remember. They won the conference league. They won the conference league. They won the conference league. You're kind of in competition

below the NIT level tournament in Europe. But if they go down, it's actually equally catastrophic. I mean, their owners are in battle. They've got to lease on this stadium that their fans don't like going to. And they don't have nearly the talent pipeline. I don't think the top doesn't. You know, no. They don't have the resources either. I mean, they're a mid-table financial club with more history than that. But you mentioned the stadium thing. I went to London Stadium last

year. It is not a very exciting place to watch a game. They don't get great crowds. The noise is kind of just a really attractive experience. The stands from the field. So it's just like, oh my god, I went to that stadium for the 2012 Olympics. I can't believe that that's where they play. Yeah. And up in park was like famously very loud and like a tough place to play. And they just haven't had that. And they've done a similarly bad job with with squad recruitment. Like they've

recruited a lot of players that don't really fit together. And then tried four different managers and none of them have worked. But since David Mois left, it's been a study to climb.

“So this was the biggest Premier League story this year. Was there something else?”

I mean, Arsenal winning the title for the first time in 1822, 22 years? Yes, it's just a big story.

I think the reason why maybe people who are outside of the internal, like the Arsenal fandom,

he was going to London soon. And I was like, oh, for the parade. He was like, what do you mean?

I was like, Arsenal just clinched the title. And he had like kind of a stroke. What I told

“but you know, that for Arsenal fans, I think it's been incredibly rewarding. And I”

used to have a lot of affection for Arsenal as like a neutral kind of like I liked watching them play. But this season has been pretty, it's kind of like the what happened at the funder, where it was like there, everybody's darlings a couple of years ago. Are they fighting? No, it's, but they've scored a quarter of their goals have come off of quarter kicks. I have a cup of CR. I have a comp, and a lot of people in my community got mad at me for this. They are the Eagles.

They are the Eagles like the 225. Yeah, they, they literally are essentially boring to watch. They win with their elite defense. And their goals this year, like the the main difference between them and their main title contenders was that they mastered the art of the set piece. And they built what's called a meatball where they just like block the goalie out and then they send the ball in and they're bigger and taller than everybody else. So they just score all these headed goals of

set pieces and look credit to them. Don't hate the player hate the game. But they're not a fun team to watch. So it's like when you watch Carruso and Dorit like foul four times in a possession, it's like, well, you can only really call it one foul. Right. So like, yeah, we'll just do it everywhere. Well, see how you know I'm a big set piece guy. Yeah, that's for real. I'm really feel like it's under an apartment soccer. It's on the set piece. Listen, my daughter has come up later on this pot.

We've, it's been 17 years of watching on soccer teams. And as you get all their, they're always these

teams. It's like the secret sauce. And they figure it out. And they get like one free kick goal, one corner kick goal, and they win two nothing. And you're like, what just happened? We dominate

“a position all the time. Anyway, I like the set piece. That's arsenal. And that's honestly,”

it's creating a larger question about the world cup this summer too. How is that going to be officiated? Because the ball was in play less this year in the Premier League than it's ever been. Set piece goals were up. It's not even just corners and free kicks now. Teams have guys, Brentford has a guy whose main job is that he can throw the ball over his head 40 yards. And like they just make sure to bring him in so that he can, you know, come, we've ever side of the

field they're on. He comes in and throws the ball 40 yards into the penalty area. And then they just scrum around. It's not the most exciting. When you think of the beautiful game, you're not thinking of that. And so it's a lot of people watch the Premier League this year. And we're like, yeah, like, there's something kind of missing here. And then we had a Champions League semi final between Bayern Munich and PSG that happened a couple weeks ago, electric. It was like shooting like

drugs right into your karate artery. It was like, I was like, oh, this, I missed this. This is what

this sports supposed to be. This is so electric. And then you go back and watch guys who just basically

like fouling each other on set pieces on their way to a title. It's kind of a bummer. So Champions

“Champions League, the final to Bundo. Did you make a pick yet? Yeah, it's funny. I think it's a toss-up”

and the betting odds have PSG as a favorite. This is the classic clash of styles. PSG have way better attackers. But when they played last year, Arsenal was right there. I think Arsenal's very live to win it. They're not, again, it's not the sexy pick. Even Victor Wembin Yamma weighed in. He was making fun of Arsenal's play style. Instead of course, PSG, of course, he's French. But he was saying, you know, nobody wants Arsenal to win and except for Arsenal fans. It does

feel that way. As like the numbers nerd though, I do think they're pretty even teams. See our Premier League title and Champions League and the Spanish League are still offensive. Yeah, it would be really like a really significant achievement for them. And for our Teada, the McKellar Teada, the manager for Arsenal, the other big headline coming out of the Premier League season, if since you asked like about a couple minutes ago, is this we found out

is going to be the last season, the Pep Guardiola manages Man City. So he's been there for, but what is it? 13, 10 years? Something like that. He's won and obscene amount of titles, like in terms of Premier League titles, FA cups, carve out cups over that time period. And it kind of marks the end of any era at the Premier League. Do we like Arsenal fans? I love many Arsenal fans. Jeff Chasner, Arsenal fan, right? He is an Arsenal legend. One type of personality. Yeah,

what kind of personality type is an Arsenal fan? Are they the most popular fan base in America? I think there's a huge crossover between Arsenal and Nick's fans. Yeah, that's a lightning. That makes sense. I feel that too. Who is our least favorite fan base right now? Well, my answer is still going to be Arsenal.

That's because my phone has been just off the hook and I'm one of my supposed to say. I mean, I picked them before the season and I told you guys there's going to happen. You can't throw it in my face. They still will. Of course. As they should. What about UCR? What's your least favorite fan base? I think it's a Liverpool fan Manchester United fan. I think it's favorite fan base.

but part of the exercise was I need to go, if I, if I go overseas for a game,

“it would be a fun trip and Newcastle a lot, but I really liked how to kind of tortured.”

There's a fair amount of specula, so Newcastle and the intervening years, they were heavily invested in by the Saudi P.I.F. And now people are speculating that something similar could happen to them to happen to live. Oh, yeah. Well, it will be a catastrophic, probably, but they are looking for outside investment. It looks like they are trying to unwind their source position there. World Cup starting.

What do we down to a month? Last week, last week, last week, last week, last week, last week, last week, three weeks from Newcastle. From Newcastle. Yeah. It's a bundle. This is the greatest summer of your life. I'm very excited. But greatest sports here of my life. I was talking about this was shield a couple weeks ago. We just had the PGA at a ronemic. I was down there on Sunday. We've got all star game and filly this year. It's a great year for filly, but then yeah, the World Cup, the winner,

Olympics were great. I'm not sure we'll have a better sports here. However, that could change on Sunday. If Tottenham gets relegated, I don't feel like this is the best sports here of my life. I haven't checked any of the resellers to see what those World Cup tickets are going for. What are they dropping? Are they dropping? Yeah, are now. Okay. I mean, we didn't get the best time. Have you looked at the filly slate CR? Yeah, it's not that great. It's not the sexiest slate.

I've recost Ecuador. That's going to be like the dark horse battle, but other than that, we got a pretty mediocre slate. The fun to you know about CR, right? World Cup Big Amist. These two separate lives, like those lifetime movies where the person has the separate family, who would be the best? Who would be my Netflix title for you? World Cup Big Amist. That would be it with a picture of you with like a jersey that has two different logos on it.

That's right. So what did you root for on Black Friday in 2022? I don't, I can't recall. Did you give a nice little golf clap when it ended in a draw? Honestly, he's not going to say it, but he's like probably 60, 40 England. Honestly, it's not that hard. No, just 50, 100. I don't really like the USMNT, honestly.

“That's what he's talked himself into. I don't like how we're run. I don't like our style and”

culture. I don't like our youth program system. It's my family. It was introduced to the game

through his perspective, through his lens. I always enjoyed like the drama around the England

city. I support it. You don't have to apologize to us, but when you're a sports biggest, there's always a chance the two teams are going to play and you're going to have some real reconciling to do. I don't think that would be this year because that's going to be a problem. I don't, doesn't seem like a, I saw Rob Stone this weekend, actually. Who's obviously having involved in the World Cup and I was like pushing him to get me excited about

the American team and he tried. I felt like he was going through the motions and it just feels like even though everybody seems to agree, it's one of the more talented teams we've ever had. We have all these good American soccer players. Nobody seems to think they're going to do that world in the World Cup. So you agree with that, Debunda? Well, I will say they got some bad news because they're best center back when off injured for Crystal Palace over the week. So if he's out,

they have no good center backs. They're already at a problem where they only have one.

You need this. The second one is going to be a 38 year old Tim Riem who's looking a little

old for MLS and so the defense looks problematic. The goalie situation is the worst. It's been my lifetime and the defensive situation looks bad. However, the good news is their star attacker Christian Policick. He has not scored yet in Syria on 2026. So he's doing great too. A lot of excitement for the team. You were sorry at the world. brutal. Who, who, see how who do things going to win? You know what? This is one of the hardest ones to pick in a long time just because

“of the unique nature of playing outdoors in America and the summer is going to I think”

sweat down some of the veteran teams. You know, so I think I am leaning France, but I don't really know. I mean, France is just so talented from like one to like they

could a second team, France could probably make it to the last four. You know, yeah. So the

bundle, that's who I was looking at too because I think Wendy's going to win the NBA title and I'm a big believer in the cluster theory and him winning the title on American soil, followed by France, followed by all of us wondering how we let this happen with France and we thought we got rid of them a bunch of times over the years. I made fun of France and a pot. I got a long email from somebody who's like, hey, we've been there for you for like seven wars with the full

of Lafayette. I got really bad. Did that all that for us? Sorry, but yeah, I do wonder if there's a cluster theory. Who do you like for the world cup? I mean, if you just lined up the team, France is the most talented. Like, I don't even think it's debatable. And by the way,

world cup because PSG might win a second consecutive champions league since he departed. Look, and that's amazing. Barry. Andrea Madrid is exploding on his watch right now. There are 40 million signatures from Madridistas to get him out at Real Madrid. They're not very happy with Kili and even though he scores a lot of goals. But yeah, I mean, France is the most talented team. Spain, you know, Laminia Mall is their best player. He's not going to be healthy for the start of

the tournament. He's got a leg injury that he probably won't be 100% and you never know what those.

I actually like CR's England a lot. I like that they have a real injury. Who has tactical know how this time on Mike Garasaltgate. But again, like, do I trust the English in the American summer to not wilt? That's going to be like, it's going to be quarter-final semi-finals and it's a penalty shoot out and then it's just, it's, it's, it's hard to like project out when you know that's

“leading. I think that there's a couple of interesting storylines going into the cup. One of them is”

Debundo just alluded to that there's a couple of really good managers working in this one. Obviously, Pocatino is managing the USMNT. He comes from, among other places, Tottenham. Carl Manchilati is managing the Brazilian national team and it's, I think this is his first time as an international manager. But he just wins shit a lot and I would keep an eye on Brazil, even though they've got kind of a chaotic roster. And Tom Stucco, who's managing England, is

pretty tactically a student. So there's a lot of interesting stuff happening in that department. Probably the most talented group of managers we've ever had in a World Cup. Like, you don't often see a lot of the elite club guys go do international and a lot of them are just like, yeah, I'll go take my shot at the World Cup. Why not? Any weirdness for England considering it'll be 250 years since we sent them the fuck outta here, CR sent the packing. I think it'll be weird

you don't have an average number here though. If they play on July 4th, like they're definitely losing right there. Yeah, they'll be in the back of their head, you know, when we push them out to bundle. Can you give us a dark horse, please? US is 55 to 1 to win the World Cup. I would advise

people not to wait around that. No, please do not bet that. Underdogs never win. Actually,

win the World Cup. There's only eight countries that I've ever wanted. Seven of them are in this tournament. Italy, who I guess would be my second country. They didn't quite make it once again, but Ecuador is going to be my team. I love this team. They were this, they were actually better than Brazil in World Cup qualifying. They have three or four guys who are mainstays on Champions League teams. Eight in West Abundo. Yeah, I don't think they can win it, but like, you know, they're in a group

“with Germany. I think they match up pretty well with them. Ivory Coast, like, that's going to be a”

really fun underrated group. And I think nobody's going to want to play them because they only gave up. I think it was five goals in 18 South American World Cup qualifying matches. So elite defensively, not a ton of goals there, so probably low ceiling, but I think they could make a run. They're not that different from what Morocco did a few years ago in terms of like having a handful of really good players and a good system and a good defense. It would be a funny tip to bundles like, you know,

I'm looking at Sweden. Really well-run country. Really have liked everything. Everything I've heard about them, and see our league of the sweets as a star. Yeah, what do you got for the sweets as a people, but not as the soccer team this year. You know, Netherland's it, why are they plus 2000? I mean, that's interesting to me. They have a lot of really nice

players. They tend to burn quick and then and then flame out like a crucial moments in tournaments,

“but they have like a really solid squad. So I think that's a nice one. Look at”

we a little bit Eurocentric when it comes to the World Cup kind of favoritism though. It's hard for me to see Argentina for instance at plus 900 like getting back into it here. So as it stands now, look at the Netherlands. So eight countries ever and one is not in. Yep. We literally three straight World Cups are Italians missed. I want to do a 30 for 30 about that Netherlands team in the 70s and we never got it together. Oh, you don't have proof. Yeah. Yeah, they're kind of like the

2000 Steve Nash sons of the 1970s, basically. And we're talking about that back at Grilla, whatever. Yeah, we always circle that idea. We never, we never got there. All right. Well, Debundo, good luck on Sunday. It sounds like you're gonna, it sounds like you're okay. You just need need a draw against a team that doesn't care if they win or lose. It sounds like that's right. I'm going to cancel lose anyway and they could find. Yeah. Odds are probably like six to one

that we go down five to one, but it's high enough that I'm uncomfortable. All right. CR. I'm glad we're still getting along after six or sell ticks. I think this water into the bridge, brother. It just turned out badly for both of us. You know what? That's one of the things that was actually comforting about watching the spurs last night. I was like, oh, you know what? This is a different sport.

Kna get's wimping y'all. Yeah. I mean, not the duty we can go to the finals anyway, but I was,

“this happens right around now. Last couple of NBA seasons are like, oh, that's how far we are.”

For your levels. Not even mad. Yeah. There's a speed thing. And you can really feel what the perimeter guys do. There was a speed thing going on. It's almost like watching two lightweight boxers or well-to-weight boxers, and they're just flying and you're like, oh, man. I was watching

cruis so getting stronger as the game went on. And I was like, never mind. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

See, I was wondering what was going on with them. Yeah. Maybe he got some pulled joy. I mean, I was like, this is nuts. Yeah. They're just going to leave him open all series. Is that the plan? Sure. Mrs. Well, that that's the spurs on the flip side that I think they're going to let Fox and Harper just take threes now. And then you have to double-wembe, right? You can't. You got, you basically have to live and die with guys on this spurs in perimeter threes would be my guess,

but are you up or down for the playoffs, the bundle? I'm up. Thanks to Jalen Dern, what a guy that. He's been great. You know, you hate to do it. I hate watching times, but I bet under points for you as a system, every game. Wow, series. Hey, Rochier. We went six and one. He Terry Rochier. Yeah. I've been listening to some cap series and I actually drew so over last night, which might have been the easiest one of my life. Oh, my gosh. A lot of fun. Yeah.

I went big on spurs next after around one and I went on the spurs this year. I have a lot of spurs stuff. I just said some point. Just said some point was like, what are we doing here? These odds are out of whack. But now the odds are now it's like they're dead even. It's minus what to wait for spurs or okay. See, it couldn't be more even. You know, we were on the verge of NBA history, though, which ever before has the NBA Cup final, then repeating it. You love long

story history. You made a sound of the sound. Now excited about this. He's a corrupted sound. He's

like, they never had a rematch. We could get a rematch if we get spurs next and the cup heads are

very excited about it. We're very excited. It does feel like the biggest possible finals we could

“have. Like when being in New York, when being in the garden, the best we can do, I think. Right.”

And probably the toughest, I would say if it does happen, those tickets at MSG will be the single hardest finals tickets, probably ever. Do you see there's already a stub hub court side price for game one of the finals for the next? Is it like 30,000? There was one listed for 100,000, which I think might have been overlisted. So when it tweeted for 100,000, I got to be checking into the game. Well, the other thing. Yeah, that's probably fair. The other thing is dull and controls all this

stuff and isn't going to work with the league. And he's just going to be like, I've made promises to Bobby Bacola and Matthew Motein and all these other people that had it been going forever. Like,

why are we always going to drag Botein through the mud here? He's been a great next Liberty supporter.

We still, I'm still trying to get to the bottom of that six or games three, whether it was really M-night Shyamalan who gave his tickets to Timothy Shylamadi to allow him to sick court side and fill it. Oh, is that a rumor? It's a copy. Would that be a, we'd have to ban him, right? Yeah, I mean, to the extent that he is the most notable court side guy. And I mean, that's, that's

“disgusting if that's what he did. That would really be horrible. CR, I'll see you on Friday because”

we're doing animal house is the last comedy. This could be the last three watch was ever. The bundle. I'll be watching them when you're gambling. So I have the crew for me. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. All right. It's a family reunion. My daughter is home, briefly from school. She has to leave for an internship. Murph, joining us for the first time. This is the first on-time cameo. I think it might be his first podcast. We wanted to put him

like in front of this face, but we thought the mic would freak him out. But he's here. He looks like he's going to nap there. And then he's just happy to be here. It's happy to be here. All right. So we used to call this for realsies. We called it team patrol. Now you're 21. You turn 21 two weeks ago. You're a young adult. I am. How does that make you feel? Are you feeling old? Terrible. Yeah. I'm sorry. I feel awful. It was fun having drinks at the end. You're 21st

birthday though. Yeah. I'm watching Flasher ID. Yeah, everybody. I'd like to stay at this age forever. Now that I'm here, I don't want to get in the older. It's an exciting time for me, but probably a daunting time for you and mom. Do you want to say final thanks to all the fake ID people you were over the air. I will. I will. I will. I was Quinn. Thank you Quinn for your service. I was Zoe Simmons, but I lived in Baker's field. Yeah. So I lived in Long Beach. I appreciate all my

old homes. Thank you, everyone, for your service. I told you. I was barred Osman for like two and a half years. I just can't believe that anyone would believe your name was barred. And I was 510 and I would always crouch when I was buying. So anyway, I'm glad you're 21. Welcome to adulthood. We're going to

Went away for a while. The stars on the show became super famous. Almost two famous to be in a TV show. Now the show is back and polarizing or people mad at what's to do. Yeah, people aren't. Aren't happy about what's going on with this season. I have a few issues with it. Well,

first of which it's the Cassie show, which no one signed up for. At the beginning of you for it,

it was all surrounded by room. Ru is the center and then all of the exterior relationships were kind of side plots. But this season, it feels like Sydney, Swiny and her boobs are the two main characters. And everyone else is just kind of doing their own thing. So there's been a lot of dialogue in our house about this about why they chose to do this. And either she's making fun of the persona that people seem to think she is the last four years or Sam Levinson, the creator and director.

He's making fun of her and she doesn't realize it. So where do you stand? I would like to believe that the first reason would be the correct one. But at the same time, Sydney Swiny and every single brand deal, every single internet thing that she's done has made me believe that she genuinely is that type of person. Like the American eagle ad was a conversation within all of my classes in college for months on end far too long. But it's because there was some triggering people

“were triggered. But like, I mean, I just don't, I think she, that is who she is and honestly”

props to her for standing so true to her identity, I guess, but I think Sam Levinson is making fun of her. The monstrous boob version of Sydney Swiny destroying all of L.I. was kind of like, oh, maybe he's not on her side here. The Godzilla boobs? Godzilla boobs. She said it was like one of the highlights of her career to do that a little bit. I'm sure it was because her career is within this area of her body. So of course, she's going to be ecstatic that her boobs were bigger than like

the stadium or the staple center. Yeah. Like, so you didn't like the box of movies where you're telling me, I'm sure it was pretty good. I'm sure it was. I don't know. I have a problem with her why I can't get into her characters because she's just the same person in every show. Yeah. And you for you to me feels the most authentic to her and this season has rained true to that. But she's the first biggest problem. Okay. My second biggest problem is that Nate Jacobs has become, am I allowed to say the

P word here? Sure. You say what you want. Nate Jacobs has become a major pussy. And he's, but he's,

“we have to remember that he beat up Maddie Perez in season one. He single-handedly put his father”

in jail and uprooted his whole life. And he was the biggest bully at the school that they went to. And now he's getting bossed around by Sydney Sunni and her big boobs. And these gangsters that are starting him for money. Right. It's like, Nate, wouldn't you think that you should start caring like a gun or maybe like a pocket knife or something to defend yourself? You're just going to keep getting limbs cut off without doing anything. You're six, five, and you're a former quarterback.

You can't fight back again. That's what I'm saying. I really, I dislike the fact that he has been completely amasculated in this season. I like when it comes. Susan toes and fingers. I liked when Jacob already was like this force in euphoria and he's no longer that. So that's a major problem. Okay. I'm also just not understanding where the season's going to go because we're six episodes in now and Rue has almost been murdered multiple times by the new person that she works for.

Maddie somehow getting involved in this entire stripper deal and it's just Sydney Swingy Boobs. So it's like, where is the, where is everything going to come together? I'm not sure. And it's Rue making this face for pretty much 90% of the episodes. Yeah.

She always looks like that. That's a good job, Dad. We look pretty happy. I got up like you

“looking at me like that. Scared. I don't like that. You have to say something too. She's like,”

come on, man. Come on. I feel like she's great actress obviously. I feel like she's a little bit on out. I'll pilot the season because she has a lot of shit going on. Probably the biggest female movie star we have. She's like, oh fuck, I got to be on season three of this show. So I, I feel like if this was basketball, this would be like Jason Tatum and February playing the net to just kind of running up a down and shooting threes. I'm with you. It seems like Sydney Swingy

is the only one that's really like into it. And she might need this. This was her starting place and maybe I mean, she's huge. So I don't know if that's accurate. So how much, how much content have

you consumed about Sydney and Sendaya not being in the same place and never filming the same

thing because you, you pointed out in the wedding scene. You never actually saw them on screen together. They're never on screen together. And Zendaya just doesn't like her. I mean, that's at least what I've, I've read, and I've heard through the music. Yeah, I don't, I just don't want to say things that might not be true. I don't think she likes her. Yeah. And more than that, I do respect the fact

position to be in scenes with someone she dislikes. At the same time, it just, it sucks with the show.

And there are multiple relationships on the show where people don't want to be on screen with one another, which is problematic. Well, they get rid of a girl from faces of death. What's her name? Oh, um, Barbie Ferra. We kind of like that movie. I, we were all right with it. I thought it was good. She was definitely dialing it up. I like her a lot, but she also had her own problems with Sam Levinson. It just seems like it's been too much time, too much baggage, too much

“shit has happened. Honestly, I was surprised that this season is as compelling as it is because”

I thought it was going to be a total train wreck. Yeah. So I'm, I'm happy to watch it. You know, I'm not a tough audience. Like I can watch anything and be like that was enjoyable. I'm having a good time. I just want to know like some consistency of the plot line or where this is going. No, tell me lies for you. What do you mean? It's like not even close to tell me lies. How excited you are after that season? No, because that, I mean, because we had a villain the whole time. This

show it's like our villain is so inconsistent and I wanted Nate Jacobs be the villain, because he's my favorite villain. Yeah. And now he's just like this fucking loser. That's like hiding out in his house waiting for more toes and fingers to be cut off. So, I mean, as you have 10 fingers, 10. So he's down like 17 left. I can get cut off. Yeah. It's like maybe Nate Jacobs pick up a pocket knife. That's all that I have to say. And you were happy with the tell me lies season for now,

“right? Absolutely. I mean, it was, it was great. Some people had some things to say. I honestly”

like that Steven won because I thought Lucy was a bigger loser than he is. So interesting. At least he had some ambition and he was committed to the fact that he's an awful person. Lucy spent the whole season trying to convince everyone that she wasn't. Meanwhile, she is. So. And then you love JFK love story with the other love. Oh, my God. The best. Even though I kind of ended weekly. I hate to say this, I probably should have known more about what happened with them, but I really didn't know much.

Yeah. So watching this show for me was like, it was a lot to take in because I, I really didn't

know much about what happened to him or her, but she's incredible. Did you know you knew they died,

right? I only knew that JFK died. I didn't know that Carolyn Bassett also died. So that was, I mean, I loved that show. I wish more shows like that would come out just about the ins and outs of like really popular relationships. You might like the OJ show. Maybe we should watch that before. I mean, how's the left turn? No, that that was the same kind of show where it was

“like real life, but really well done with the actors. And I think she's great, too. The lady that”

plays Carolyn Bassett. I can't remember her name, but she'll be huge. She's gorgeous. I like the corner of Bassett. Bassett? I think it's Bassett. Bassett. Carolyn Bassett. Sorry, Carolyn. You liked her. You thought that 90 style was back. Oh, yeah. Well, she's just classic. And I like that the internet's like dressing like Carolyn Bassett today. And it's like, no, like you're just dressing like a chic normal person. Like, but at the internet just likes to describe labels and names to

things that don't need them. But I do like that. Curstile is coming back into the forefront because she's great. And you like that roommate show on the movie The Sandlers song. Awesome. I love everything that those two girls do. And obviously, Sandler is like, my, he's my peak. I just, I love him the most. Yeah. That movie was great. I mean, as someone that's in college and you have roommates.

And obviously, my roommates have never, ever been like that person. But it's just interesting to

see and to watch. And you're like, that was funny. And I understand what you mean and how you feel. Yeah. I've never done really understands you. So you're MVP of 2026 is Lord. Yes. Who you just saw on concert last week and you said it was the greatest night of your life. She's just, I don't have many musical artists that I feel that way for with her. It's like time stops. Like, I get really weird about Lord. I love love love her. Is that a polarizing opinion or do most people? No. I think that

people because she's been labeled like cringe at times or her music is like two older outdated because we all listened to it when I was 10 remember Royals. Was cringy now though. Oh Royals. Yeah. But just because she's been around for such a long time, people have problems with people who have remained successful that long. And also like, she's had some moments at concerts where she's like shushed the crowd and done some things. But she's just like really feels things and the internet doesn't

get that sometimes. I think that people that listen to her music feel the same way that I do. And you like to Maggie what's her face too, right? Maggie Rodgers. Oh yeah. She's great too. Me and mom have loved her for forever. But Lord is is everything to me and her concert was impeccable. There's just not a miss in any of her songs. Even if you don't know her music, it's just like every song has a beat, every song is cool.

And she is like a polarized like the way that she dances. Just her as a figure. Like she's just she's awesome. What's her demo? I see people my age. So everyone in the crowd was like around.

But I think Lord is for everyone. Like mom loves Lord. I think people who like music like Lord because she's a great lyricist. And like with the way that she writes and the things that she

“says, like they really relate to people. So who else do you like these days who you listen to?”

Well, I'm still a big camp fan. I know you have your mixed feelings. I'm not against it. You mom just need to get a room with that. Yeah. We'll get a room and go to camp. But I love that in terms of the difference. I mean that concert last summer was probably one of the best I've ever seen. I'm the season again this summer. You'll see them as family.

Like they he is Marcus Mumford is incredible. It just brings me a lot of joy to see

artists who are like sticking true to who they are. And don't have to do all the theatrics in order to perform and can just like let their voices be the thing. I also like Sabrina Carboudre now, though, which kind of goes against that. Yeah, that was an interesting time for you. You can like her for a while. I really like her music now. But it's also because I think I'm in a more fun part of my life. Yeah. And I love to like go out with my friends and dance and her music is dancing

music. So now it's a little more like relatable to me. And also when you're happy, I feel like you

“like happy music. And her music is happy music. So Sabrina Carboudre, good hang our bad hang do you think?”

I think she's probably great. She's definitely great. She's been media trained. She's been in like on Disney channels since she was 10 years old. At that point, you can't not be great. She's great. I'm telling you. Shopper Ron Tuffing. I don't even want to speak on her. She doesn't deserve it right here. Speaking of Tuffings. God Alex versus Alex happened. That was the other thing you were fascinated by. Alex are all versus Alex Cooper. And you, you were listening to

Colorado at a back when it was pretty ranchy. Yeah. And then you stopped at the back when Alex Cooper like when her pot was good. Yeah. I don't, it's, it's safe to say I have my side and it's with Alex are all stay true to Alex are all. Yeah. I think this argument is so ridiculous. Well, can you give us the back story? Cause I guarantee 99% of my life doesn't know it's not exactly. Here's what I know. Alex Cooper first she has her partner Sophia. Yes. She somehow cut out and got the pot herself.

Through the pot came to Spotify. It became a much bigger pot. Went to serious. It like some really strange documentary that your grandfather stormed out of the room floor. We tried to wipe like literally. He doesn't storm out of most things. I'm stormed out of a room before. I don't like this person. I'm out of here. But anyway, she, she builds this little little, I guess,

little media empire. Alex are always her first big hit. But they have some sort of falling out,

which to me from afar knowing nothing. Well, I can fill you in. Yeah. Tell us. So I'm assuming from what I've read. Alex Cooper gave Alex her all a non-compete contract where she wasn't allowed to, obviously, non-compete contract means you can't do anything that would be competitive with Alex Cooper's brand. Yeah. And then Alex Rull comes out with sip marks, which is obviously a hit because it's a low calorie tequila drink and all of Alex Rull's fans are like little girls. That

just like, I mean, not little girls. Girls that would like like to drink that. And Alex Cooper came out with that unwell hydration drink, which I mean, I've never tried it. I have heard good

“things so I won't give shit to that. But I think that was where the problem kind of started to”

arise where Alex Cooper was like, hey, fuck you. I told you not to do anything that's kind of compete with my stuff. But before that, Alex Rull's podcast was on Alex Cooper's unwell network. Yeah. And then something happened and all of a sudden, you know, I think that kind of started to drink thing. I think Alex Cooper is a mean girl is what I've gotten from the internet. And I think she's insecure in a sense. And there's so much. She had somebody that was on her

podcast that where it could was threatening to split her. Yeah. Like, and in a more authentic way, because Alex Cooper was cool and people like to because of the stories that she would tell, yeah, which without a doubt are super ronchy and like intense and the people's feelings are at expensive or stories, but they're interesting. And Alex Rull's kind of like a more authentic, cool, relatable, older sister type who people just like in a way that's like more

connected than people like Alex Cooper. Yeah, because you, you'll watch her. She does stuff like she's just doing her makeup getting ready to go somewhere and it's the whole process of hanging out with her. She does that. She feels like a friend. And like Alex Cooper couldn't do that because she's not like a bowl to most people because she's known to be mean. Yeah. So I think that's obviously it's like, well, to some degree because she is a pretty big audience.

I was part of that audience at some point until all of this, people on the internet are calling her a culture, I guess, which is, I mean, I have nothing to say on that, but people are saying

and part of the problem is that Alex Cooper will come to you when you've had some terrible

let's talk about this. I didn't say that. That's with the internet saying. But that's kind of

“like a part of the thing. So then anyway, Alex Cooper comes out with this video adding Alex Rull”

being like Alex, I've seen you reposting all of the stuff like come out and say it. We were all like holy shit. But it also felt like a skit. It was like the most, the weirdest video ever. Just like, I mean, you think that she has such a big team where they'd be like, maybe make this sound a little bit more, whatever. Did you feel like at all that in wrestling, we would call this a work that they were trying to do this to. They were riled up the audience. But then it's weeks and weeks

and Alex Rull hasn't responded or addressed anything. She went on a talk show and they asked her about it and she was like, I didn't prepare for this. I don't want any negativity. What I

were above all, like, did not even give it a second of time. Which leads me to believe that like

obviously they had a falling out, but people thought it might be a PR stunt, like something else might be going on. But clearly something deeper rooted has happened and Alex Cooper is more willing to like blow things up and kind of be immature and then Alex Rull wasn't wanting to feed into it.

“It's a whole debacle, but my stance is I'm on Alex Rull's side and I think Alex”

Cooper is being a little immature. What are Alex Rull's, what are her next five years so quick? Well, she just launched a skincare brand called Real Actives, which people had interesting feedback for because most people thought she should have come out with a bikini brand or something that felt more like authentic her audience and a skincare brand. Like lingerie, like Sidney Sweeney.

Yeah, she's too cool for that. Sidney Sweeney can stay in her lane that she can do that.

Alex Rull, like she, they were opportunities. She chose skincare, which is I mean sure. So that seems like it's going well. I've seen posts about it. People seem to like it. I haven't purchased it myself and I don't think I will, but good for her. So your lane would have been corpary yoga. Something, you know, like something that would have prompted people to purchase it more. I don't know. I think skincare is a tough whatever. It seems like she's doing well. And then she

has sit marks. So she's successful. She seems like she's doing well. All right, just so people don't think you're catty. Two people you really like. Did I sound catty in that? Not at all. I apologize. Not at all. But you really like Kylie and Kendall. I do. I really do. We need to, told this man, I was surprised because I felt like the Kardashians they get a tough rep. They do. That's for sure. I wouldn't say it's

you know, completely undeserved. Yeah, sure. At the same time, I'm like a huge Kylie stand. I'm still unclear on how I feel about Kendall because she has taken my husband. So I'm going to need a minute to jake a balloon on that one. I'm not even ready to talk about that yet. How long have they been together? Kendall and she was loaded. They went to Hawaii last week. I almost threw my phone out the window. Whatever. Kylie's great. She just really is. I love her.

“What's great about it? Tell her why you tell me why you like her. I think she's a super”

authentically kind person. And obviously people might be like, what are you saying? She's one of the biggest stars and like how could she be an authentically kind person? But in every single interview and every single fan interaction, everything that I've seen of her, she's just like a nice, cool, normal, down to earth person in light of everything that has happened to her. Like she's been in front of a camera since what she was like eight years old. Right. And the fact

that she's like a normal, cool kind person that's liked by most of the people that she made. It's like that is that says a lot to me because people aren't like that these days. What was the thing you were talking about when she had a kid and she gained weight and she was like, we'll see what she went on change in this podcast last week, which is where this like real love ignited for me because I just, I love to personality. I was like, I'd be friends with this person

in a heartbeat. Like she seems great. Don't have a heart attack over that one. You be friends with whoever you want. You tend to overrate out Jake Shane appearances though. Uh, but she was talking about how when she had her daughter stormy, she was in the best shape of her life. And then she got pregnant and was eating kinds of ice cream every single night and bagels and all sorts of things. And by the time she was giving birth to her daughter, she was 200 pounds. And didn't even like

flinch in saying that. And I just think in this day and age, especially with how skeletal people and Hollywood have become and like the GLP one and everyone's just so so skinny. For someone to admit that they were 200 pounds, someone as like much of a force as Kylie Jenner is. And she's constantly talked about for her looks and everything. Yeah. Was, I mean, I thought that that was pretty a cool thing to do. So I'm big in on her. In the rundown, you sent me things you want to

talk about. You wrote Kylie and Kendall have single-handly taken down the twin towers. Jake had been

I think we'll, um, Kendall and, and Jacob went to Hawaii. And then they got caught on a double date.

And there's some awesome, popular, Aussie pictures of them in a car, like covering their faces.

“I think Kendall and Jacob are a great couple. And we'll probably have beautiful children.”

If that's the route that it's going for. I do think that they're too big on their own to be able to be together in a way that could ever be normal. But I could be wrong. You know my theory about this, but this forever. I haven't. Two celebrities, when they date two famous people, they have to stay in the same level in the moment. One passes the other. They have to break up. Yeah, I don't know. It's got to be like this. It can't start doing this.

I don't think that the last, it's a fun moment, though. And my prayers go to Olivia Jade. 'Cause that's a tough one. That was the before Jacob, before anyone.

Jacob's ex who was on an offer like seven years. That's the one who was the

Lori Loughlin's daughter. Yes, I love her, too. Do you like her? I love her. I love her. I watch all of her videos. Why do you like her? She's super cool and normal. Her videos, she doesn't really let her personality shine. It's just kind of like, aesthetics getting ready. But she's super cute and has great style. I just, I like watching her stuff and her outfits and things.

What's the TikTok Instagram attention span? What's happening in 2026? What's different

“in the last six years? In terms of people being able to, what do you mean to say?”

Like, are there any trends? Are people starting to realize maybe I shouldn't be on my phone this much? What's happening? I mean, people will say that, but will that ever happen? Like, no. I think TikTok is just as big, if not bigger than it was before, especially because there's now the shop, which is incredibly annoying to me, but a good move on their part. You know about the TikTok shop. Do you buy stuff? Yeah. Like, the fact that there's consumer things now, too. It

just drags even more people in. Okay. Instagram, at least for me, is just becoming a place to post. It's not really a place that I like frequently scroll on. Instagram rules are great, but they're not as, I don't like get as much into a trance as I do with TikToks. Do you still go on people's posts when they post pictures of themselves and go gorge? I really don't. No. I don't too gorge your hearts. I'll only, like, pretty.

I'll only really comment on, like, my best friend's posts. Yeah. You face out of it, you know? I'd like to get off of Snapchat at some point soon, but it's my main form of communication with my boyfriend and other people. So Snapchat's still kicking up. I don't judge me for that. What? That's people judge for using Snapchat, especially in relationships, but I just like to see the face. I like to see someone else's face. Well, you, you, your generation is the

whole thing. We just take pictures of where you are and send them to each other. Yeah. Like, be real and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that is how it is. I would rather, I just want to see photos. I think texting all the time is boring. Anyway, what, what social media device do you think Murphy is? He needs a lobotomy or something. I don't know what's going on with him. He really has chilled out. It's impressive. He's old. He's almost six years old. No, say that.

He's normal. He's a human. He's a human. He'd be like 40. He's a baby. He still doesn't like other dogs. Yeah. All right. Other stuff. You, you, you, you deep dough of the pit. I did. Which last time you did a hospital drama that you binge was grazing out of during COVID and you, you, you personality change. It put me into a place. Yeah. You were like in a dark spot for like three months. Well, you'll be happy to hear. I did rewatch Grey's Anatomy. This was a semester.

That was my show. The entire show. It's like 18. No, no, we only got through like three, three seasons. I think he hasn't even seen George die yet. So hopefully he's not listening to this. Yeah. He's definitely listening to this. And then we switched over to the pit. Halfway through watching Grey's Anatomy and it was like, I can't ever watch Grey's Anatomy again. The pit just, so yeah. It's like nice whales everything. Yeah. I mean, what an amazing show.

I hate to say it. My attention span is short, especially when it comes to watching television.

“My attention span in regular life is fine. But when I'm watching TV, I need to be stimulated by”

something else, which is something I'm trying to work on. Yeah. Like, even yesterday, watch it. We were watching TV. And I, I had to watch the Wempy game and it was like one of the

most important basketball games of the century. I did that despite you, because you kept touching

my phone and pity on me. Well, I was just like, I'm not about it. You were touching your phone. You were acting like, he was a touch. You're like, learn and there's something about Barry with the headphones. You're just trying to rage with me. And I don't like it. So I was trying to make you angry back. Anyway, um, the pit is phenomenal. But my point to that was that I didn't pick up my phone once at any point watching that. You're locked in. Because it moved so quickly. I wish we had

more TV shows that were so fast-paced like that. And just like, I don't know, the way that it was film was just special. So you never left the hospital. There wasn't really any music. There's never a moment of calm. And like that, I mean, maybe that's a problem that that's the only reason why I

and things. And this show was just like perfect. That, that led to one of Mom's best quotes,

when she said how she wished she'd been smarter because she would have been a great doctor. She would have been a great crawler doctor. She's not afraid of any sort of terrible situation. Yeah. She doesn't get grossed out by blood. Her one problem is she panics.

“She's a panics. Panics are though. She's a loud panic or though. She's like, oh god, what happened?”

And it's like you have this. Oh, that cop, sorry, Murph. Well, you just jostled. Yeah, the pit is great. Anyone get canceled this year? Um, I mean, everyone gets canceled. But currently it's James Charles, which makes me sad because I actually was telling all my friends and I'm in on him. And I, I was like, in spite of everything he's done because a lot of people have done terrible things. And I

acknowledge that he's a pretty, he's not a great person. He's done some weird shit. He's not a good

person. Regardless, I started to like him again because I thought he was funny. Like, I just saw a lot of clips of him. Just he doesn't care. He just won't be coming one of those people or just you'd say whatever he wanted. It was like, that's funny because why would you do that? Whatever. Um, but he has just gotten canceled again. So there's no new person this year. There's no rookie the year. Come up. Well, I'm a big, Stossy Schroeder fan back to the, um, or no, sorry, Stossy Baby,

“not Stossy Schroeder. I'm sure she's great too. Stossy Baby. Kylie Jenner's best friend. She's my favorite.”

Right now. Kylie Jenner's best friend. Yes, what is she doing? She's an influencer. But they've been best friends since Kylie was a little kid and they were on Kardashians together. And then it's kind of like the internet grew up with her. She's great. I love her. So what does she bring to the table? She just does make up and she goes out all the time. This is Prater on. She goes out all the time. And I love like watching her get ready and then she

films her night out with her friends. And it's just like, this is so fun to watch because there's nothing more fun than that. So, um, the drama was another when you liked the movie. Factors and that movie was great. I thought it was great for anything else any horror movie this year. I'm excited for the the back rooms. That will be really fun to watch. And it's also just

incredible that a 20 year old is, is the person who produced it and created it. That makes me want to see it

even more. But the idea about the back rooms has been something that has fast-naded me forever. So, I'm excited to see it. I've been pointing that out to you a lot about these people when they're in your age range. Just weird. It is to me that somebody who's 20 is making a movie. And when it's 22 is year older than you. Right. And it doesn't make you, it makes you feel bad about yourself. No, not just like, no, it does. But sometimes people peak early. You're doing great.

Well, I mean Taylor Swift and she was the 17 year older 16, probably younger than that. Like, came out of the debut album. It's like this, I mean, it's a generational musician. I know, but I'm just saying it's, it's, it's weird getting older because the people around you are all the same. I know. Yeah. It's impressive. It'll be cool. I'm a core part of yoga sculpt instructor, if anyone's in Boston. I want to go through my classes. Right. What's Taylor Swift next two years

look like? You know, I really like her music. I'm sure she's happy. I can't say that I like her as a person right now. Because she's seen, she's aged out of your extent. It's not that at all. I, I like people who are older. I don't care for that. It's the fact that she kind of will create a policy and have a lot of people around her and then drop some like files. And I get your

“famous person and you have to do that sometimes because if people cross you, then you can't have”

them around because I'm using their top position at the same time. Like, I don't love that. That doesn't, I don't know. I can't judge because I'm from afar. But I think it's also her fandom that gives me problems because I don't want to be lumped in with the real like crazys. But I do like her music a lot. So I think she'll, she's going to get married. I don't know where. Probably in Rhode Island. That'll be cool. Papyrus. Papyrus. Papyrus. Yeah. Papyrus. 100 hours. Did do like a boxing UFC event.

There's no way that she would do that. 75 dollar wedding. There's no way that she would do that. I'm sure she'll be pregnant soon. She'll have ginormous babies to Travis Kelsey. It'll be great. She's a big kid. She's a big kid. She's also like a great athlete, probably. She's a great dancer. So I'm going to assume. Has it, has it feel turned in 21? Um, you know, I have no, nothing's holding me back anymore. It's a nice feeling. I didn't like being Quinn and going up to the, to the bartender

allegedly and for them for me to be like, oh, I don't know if like this is going to work out for me. And now my life has just opened up. Am I allowed to tell them the story about you? No. Why don't hunt? Which story? No. No. There are no stories about me on my own podcast. I'll just edit it out.

of my favorite days ever. It was. We lost. We lost. Yeah. That, that, if they had won, it would have

been the cherry on top. But to see you take about four fan to shots, which they're exactly has how they found. And one was dyed green. Yeah. That was great. And then, um, I enjoyed the stick. I enjoyed you having your, um, transfusions, which every time I looked away and then I turned back, somehow you had another one in your hand. I don't know how it was happened. I nervous because the Celtics were in a game seven. I figured they were probably going to lose. And you were trying to

lose that. No, just drinking, plus you turned 21 and it was freaking me out. It was a big day. And we had a big night that night before too. Mom really had a home run. Ben even had a home run. And then, yeah, it was great. It was great. Yeah. It was weird because I, because 11 years before

“your 21st, I remember we went zip lining in Catalina. And that seems like it was like five minutes ago.”

Yeah. Well, Ben goes slower for you because fast for me. I don't, oh, yeah, obviously it goes faster for you. But it feels like these last few years have really spread by like I feel like Ben just had a senior problem the other day, which we went to. And it like it made me sad because it's like Ben just entered high school. It feels like I just had my senior problem. And all of a sudden, it's like Ben is going to college. You knew one more soccer year left, started age four. This is like your

year 17. Yeah. I won't give up on it though. I'm going to do something with soccer. I can't let it go. But I'm excited for your last year. Yeah. But it's, it's all I have because the, the Celtic Seren Shambles, the Patriots. Oh my gosh, Jim Brown, to cut, to end it off. We have to talk about it. Oh, yeah. You went to a lot of Celtic games this year. Well, I'm, I'm a devoted fan. You were like a

“legitimate fan this year. I've, I've kind of unfortunately was lucky because Papadak was”

able to make most of the games. So I got a lot of tickets. Yeah. I've really become, Hey, dating somebody who loves basketball. Yeah. But I've really become attached to this team. Mostly Jason. But if Jalen, well, you guys, Katea was, I've been rooting for Katea for two and a half years. Even before he could, he looked like they'd be on ice for like a season. Yeah. He couldn't, like, he was not together. So did you study the Tatum Jalen body language when

Tatum came back and how they interacted? You kind of started to tell me about it and it's just not something I ever would have wanted to look for because why would I want them to be rooting against each other? Yeah. It's totally there. Like they totally do not get along in a sense. Well, they don't not get along. It's just they don't seem, buddy. But they seem like they're like,

“they seem like co-workers. Yeah. I'm not positive Jalen was rooting for Tatum to come back and be great.”

Yeah. It feels like, I mean, as an athlete and as a soccer player, it's like she, he had his, like, there was a moment in a real opportunity in time where he was the leader and like going to be the savior of the team. Yeah. And he was great. Like he, he really was. He stepped up to the plate and then Tatum comes back and everyone's like, oh, thank all the Tatum's back. Now we have a chance. And I can understand how you might

have a chip on your shoulder if that's the reaction of the fandom. It's like with Murphy in our house when when will he comes? Yeah, because we gave Willi to your grandmother after your grandfather died and Willi hangs out with her. But when he comes back to the house, Murphy acts like Jalen Brad. Yeah. He's like, I've, I've been running this shit and we're gone for me by the

fucker. Go back and divide territory. I'll be the one that goes back yard first. You will follow me.

But it makes me sad. I'm going to try and dribble through all five players on the court and you're not going to get involved. Stay it over there. Put your hand up. It makes me sad. And if Jalen leaves it, I mean, I don't know what to make of that. I, I hope they stay together and maybe they will. If there's not a good enough trade, but I do, I do really have the feeling he wants his own thing. No, because they won the title. They don't want the title. That would be

different, right? But they're the one the title. Now he's like kind of really like to have my own team. I get it. Are there any prospects for who can come in and save us? Because I'm so good trades. Now, they'll be able to get some good guys. Plus, I don't know, how many more years until Doos

is the backup center that they're 10. Doos is like five feet tall now. He's huge. I always see him

and warm ups and he's like doing his thing. Yeah. That would make me sad though. Jalen always has like a little hand shake with him before the game. Like, that'd be a bummer. That's the thing. It's so rare to stay together for that long. They've even quite Thompson and Steph Curry eventually broke up because by Thompson, they didn't want to keep him to stay together for

Yeah. And also for them to be working in tandem for so long. It's understandable how they,

“he might want his own. When you like tall guys, when he's probably too tall for you though.”

He's too tall. Seven, seven. He's going to be. I've gone more mature. I don't, I don't

need them to be dry and always send anymore. Like a lordy size. That'd be great. And he's Australian.

Hopefully Hank is Australian, but that's a bonus. I love Australia. I've been telling you forever I'd like to go there. But just people from other places are like an accent's a cool thing.

“It's very similar to Boston. That's why you like it. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. Really fun.”

We're in a bunch of people, we're actually happy there. And they're happy because it's sunny and

they're all beautiful all the time. And it's like, why would that not be a place where you want to go? Marco Robby's also from there. Maybe you have to go there after college. That's like two. Maybe take a visit. All right. So Simmons, congratulations at turning 21. You've been coming

“on my podcast since I was at ESPN when you sang Christmas songs. Oh, I remember. That was like”

early this weekend. Yeah. Quite a run for you. It's been a long time. First appearance. I'm glad you're

saying to the Murphy of any final words. I wish I could move the mic towards him. Merff. Merff. Have you to say? Steven in the sniff. Can't speak. All right. Thanks, Zoe. Thanks, Dad. All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to House. Thanks to the bundo and CR. Thanks to my daughter. Thanks to Murphy Simmons. Thanks to how and Eduardo as well. And I don't forget to watch Animal House, but we do rewatchables about it next Monday. I'm going to be back on this feed. We're going to be live on Netflix after game two

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