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We are live on Netflix. Rob Mahoney is here. We're coming right after a game that I'm frankly shocked by the result. I'm not shocked saying Antonio One, Rob. Yeah.

I'm shocked that it was a blowout, especially at halftime. It felt like they hung around, hung around, hung around, hung around.

And we were going to have this awesome second half.

But my first question to you. So game one of this series is Game One of Nick's Caves, which was that awesome Brunson game that come back. And it was just basketball bliss for 24 straight hours. We even had a good basketball game.

Because it sounds plus-- Because it sounds that nine and a half point thing that he does, where it's nine and a half point favorites. That's seven straight, nine and a half point favorites cover. And we just had bad basketball.

So what happened? Did we just-- we paid all the taxes for those two games, and that's it?

“I think some of the games in this series”

have been better than the final score. We're at least getting like three really high, like well played quarters, often from these teams.

They're just one critical stretch in which one of the other pulls away.

But yeah, it does feel like we sold our souls or something. Like we paid a really heavy cost. We got the great weekend of historic basketball. And now we just all have to deal with the consequences. I thought today would be the makeup for all the crappy games we've been watching.

But you're right. This is like good bad basketball. Yeah. Because there's so much chess going on. To watch San Antonio do this twice to OKC in three games, basically.

I thought-- I thought OKC was going to win tonight. But I thought it was more because of the Castle Fox thing, which I just couldn't-- I couldn't get that out of my head. How I didn't think Fox looked right the last couple games. That's not any look bad tonight.

And I didn't think Harper looked good either. And then Harper was awesome today. And you think like, when we had that, just lights out classic when we first have. But Harper was the other piece of it.

And they were still up seven. And if you would tell me they're going to get these two first halfs from these two guys. I would have thought they were up 20. Did it matter? They ended up blowing them out in the second half.

So what happened? What did you think the number of things was? Yeah, that's the thing. I think based on the first half, it felt like the spurs were winning technically winning.

But the thunder were hanging around as you mentioned. And they were just like gutting out enough possessions to make you think. Yeah. OK, if there's any turn in this game, if there's any change in the momentum, if OKC comes out in the second half.

And their offense looks any cleaner. Then this thing could really break their way. It turned out the opposite was the case, which is the spurs completely tightened the screws. And just suffocated all life out of the thunder offense. And it's one of these things that's been flying a little under the radar and these playoffs.

The spurs, I've just been the single most dominant third quarter team in the entire postseason. And it's a weird thing to think about a young group. We're used to thinking about, you know, the juggernaut warriors in that capacity maybe.

“But I think it's an incredible credit to Mitch Johnson.”

Like the spurs are so young and a bunch of 20 year olds in like a tough stretch are not going to be able to figure out the tactical adjustments of like exactly how they need to pivot strategically. But you take a break, you let them reset. You give them a couple of talking points in a little bit of film.

And they come out and they just roll like an absolute haymaker against the defending

Champions.

It was amazing to watch in the third.

And you know, the other thing, what you just said about San Antonio was true for OKC at the end of these halves. And you could feel coming in the end of this second quarter. They're just like closers in the last few four minutes of this second.

“And it's like, oh, they're up for another up 18, what just happened?”

Or they're down 12, now they're down too, what just happened? And San Antonio kind of rode that off too. I think OKC got it till within maybe three. But then it ended seven and a half time, which I thought was big. So in the third quarter, 20 to nothing, San Antonio run.

OKC at a seven minute drought. Yeah, where they went over 14 at one point. There was one point where there were six for 26 from three. I mean, one thing we learned from them last year, if they're not making threes at all, no.

Anyone can beat them, especially if you're home. But if this seesaw has been crazy over the last four games, 45% 18% 44% 24% like that is a wild level of like erratic offense. When she is also just been like really inefficient from the field. And like they are reliant on at least one of those things breaking for them to win.

So if I'm if I'm a fan base here in this game, there's two choices. What am I most nervous about? On each side, heading in the game seven after watching these first six. Because for me, it would be for OKC. I didn't jade up, didn't exactly instill a ton of confidence in there.

AJ Mitchell's just gone. I don't think we're seeing him again. And that second creator thing, which didn't bother them in game five, but did bother them in this game. But the three point shooting would be the thing that made me nervous.

For San Antonio, if I'm a fan of them, it's Fox. And then it's just like which Wemby am I getting? Because Wemby was the big winner tonight. He had to make up for the game five, which I don't know what he was doing in game five. He did the the the the the vondom hard hard hard foul to man at the end of game five.

Put out the hit to turn into Martin Cove and karate kid. And then didn't talk to the media. God forbid you do that. We need your boring quotes. But basically, it was awesome in this game.

The spurs are three, you know, when he's awesome in this series. Is it just that simple for the spurs? Is that what I would not be nervous about him on the spurs fan? This guy is showing up for game seven. He's the next one.

I think what you would be nervous about is he was awesome in this game. But Oklahoma City took away the vast majority of anything going to the basket. They blew up a lot of the labs going to Wemby any like straight line hits in transition. They were able to take away. He put up a ton of points because he made a ton of jumpers and granted.

I would never want to be on the other side of that bet.

Like, are you willing to bet your season and your title defense on the idea that he won't do that again? Wouldn't be me.

“But if you're going to play like a gamble here of something that you have to give up something”

to Victor Web and Yama and late in the series, if you're the spurs, you just have to get a little use to settling for whatever is left. Right. The other team is scheme to weigh the three best things you have going on every possession. Yeah.

If what's left is Victor Web and Yama shooting over the top of literally anyone in front of him, both from three and then we saw him in this game kind of get to some of those like a little bit of a change into the elbow into like little turn around in the pain. If that stuff is going to be available to him, I think you're fine with it. But it's not the same as, you know, the 97% accuracy of a Victor Web and Yama dunk.

Right. Well, they were doing one thing I noticed. They were trying to set these little sneaky picks for him. That would then send him flying down, not for a lob, but just to get near the foul. Yeah.

So I don't know. That was the one experimentation thing that seemed like it worked a few times. But it was such a weird OKC performance. She didn't get involved at all in the first quarter. They missed a ton of threes.

There were a lot of like Lou Dort threes.

“I think you took five in the first half and they're playing all those hockey lineups.”

And it felt like he never found a lineup that had the right rhythm.

And I know, what is your OKC lineup that you like the most? Obviously as Caruso and SJ out there, do you like when they go two bigs? Like what's your favorite of all the options? I do think it has both bigs and has Caruso and SJ. I think at this point it is Jared McCain.

Like I think JW is so limited. You know, he is trying to get out these like quick bursts of playing time that they're giving him. But when he tried to do something with the ball, it just kind of went nowhere. I don't expect much more than him being a decoy. We've seen like Isaiah Joe get played out of the rotation.

Actually, I think case in Wallace is a decent option if that's just about two. He had like a really ballsy game during the really difficult parts of it in particular. And when you're thinking about a game seven, that's the criteria, right? It's like who who is up for making the absolutely brutal, relentless play that's not going to look pretty.

That's not going to pan out.

That's not like the thing you would script up, but ultimately who can come away with those balls?

And I'm going to change it and go from McCain to case in Wallace on that recent alone.

“I think I want one more dog in that fight if I'm the thunder.”

What's the ideal thunder final score of a game seven? Is it in the one tense? Is it like a 92 to 85? Because if you're going for like your all defense kind of side, then you're going to see more case in Wallace. I thought he was really good tonight.

I mean, he had two plays in a row where he just took the ball from the spurs. He had two trees. I would have wanted a little more from him. But I wonder like, do you just do three rebounds? Father, when be and then just hope SJ gets 30 and you can kind of eat out one of those 99 and 92 type games.

I think games have been almost always turned out that way regardless of what you want.

But all three thunder wins have been in the 120s, right? And some of their losses have been among the lowest scoring offensive output games of this entire era in terms of what they're scoring. So it really is a feast or famine thing.

“And I think a lot of that is Shay who, I mean, he looks so uncomfortable in this game.”

I can't remember the last time we saw him settle for this many shots. And there's just like a layered defensive impact where this person's so good at denying him the ball. And you saw it with Castle, but you also see it like Devon Vessel doing it. You know, he can't be doing it. Basically, anyone who's crossmaster switched is taking like shaving time off the clock and taking some life out of the thunder offense right off the bat.

Then when Shay does get the ball, he has to chart where Wimbie is at all times. He has to be extra careful. And then he ended up with so many like late clock bombs in his hand that he just had to hoist up. It's, it really isn't uncanny thing. Seeing guy who's so used to playing in his own pace all the time, playing basically this entire game on somebody else's terms.

I have no feel for the series at all. I think I've picked five of the six games wrong. And every time I think I have a feel for it, it zags the other way. Yeah. And I, this one is like basically you just have to guess if Wimbie's going to have an awesome game or not. And if he has an awesome game, it just seems like San Antonio is a better team with the okay seniors.

So he's one winner tonight. Devon Vessel. Fucking loved. Just for this whole playoffs. You want to pigeon home as a 3 in D guy, but I must feel like he's a 3 in D plus.

Yeah. Like he's, he's a level over a role player, but he's not an all star, but he's in that nice nice sound up. But one of the things I love, he should have gotten a tech. It's been a tech all playoffs that didn't call it tonight, but when he blocked chat. He shoved them and then talked shit to him, which has been a technical foul this entire year. It's for 20 years.

Literally the first time this year, they didn't call it because I think the reps are after the Tony brothers massacre that happened in game five. I was being really, I had legs on after game five. I was really careful talking about how I felt about the reps because I just thought it was an apocalypse. But after that, it really felt like the reps were like, hey, we want to let the players decide this one. We don't, we're not here just do your thing.

But that was a classic Vessel play where he brings a lot of fuck you to their team. I really trust him. I trust him as a number four guy. I don't know how many like movement shooters you could say that about right? These like skinny like life, lanky guys who are running around ball screen, catching on curls and shooting.

He's like how many six, five shooters legitimately play bigger than than they do all the time in the way the business. He's got a chat tonight. He guarded chat and that's not the first like fuck you block he's had on chat in this year. He comes up with huge defensive plays. He comes up with big time like contested defensive rebounds.

He's like the antithesis of the archetype that frustrates me the most. Like the empty stats like I put up 18 on jump shots. But I give you literally nothing else. Like those are among the most frustrating players for me to watch. Devon Vessel will give you maybe not that kind of scoring output every night.

But he does so many other little things all the time that feel instrumental to a series like this one. Yeah, I always call it like, I don't know it 13, 14 and it was a loud 13. Right, his points, his performances are loud and I think castles like that too. Yeah, castles one of those guys you look as like does he have like 30 points and it's like now he's 16. But he's all over the place he had nine assists I think today too.

“I think with Vessel, he's been thrown in these trades for two years, right?”

It's like, oh, trade Murphy.

Well, if they went after Jan S, we'll put him in. He's just always the constant because he's making like 25 million a year.

He's good, but you can always feel like you do better. I think he's kind of the perfect fourth guy for them. Yeah, I mean, really the issue if you're thinking about upgrades all summer with no matter what happens with them. You know, in game seven and even in the finals.

Fox is going to be the big question.

If they lose the so-called missaries, he's going to be the one everyone points to and how hurt was he healthy. Oh, he's clearly hurt. Yeah, he can't really move very well at all and seems like has no left.

And in the thunder, basically betting like we don't have to take him off the ball very seriously.

Like we don't really have to respect him in the corner. We don't have to rotate out to him super hard because we don't think he can beat the close out. If we just put a Lou Dord in front of him will mostly be fine and they've been pretty much right about that part of things. Yeah, he doesn't have that little. Drive into the lane that little spin move backwards.

Yeah, that 13 footer, the little 13 foot turn around just doesn't have the lift anymore. Another winner for the, oh, God. I was going to say Harper is a huge part of that, too. Like to the extent that Darren Fox feels expendable, which is a crazy thing to say about a player as good as Darren Fox. I think some of it comes with the fact that Dylan Harper is already so good so quickly.

And he's going to have massive expectations on him at all times. I think because he's one of these guys who you see him just breaking down the best perimeter defenders in the sport one after another. Yeah.

If you can do that, there's always going to be that tension of like, why can't you do more, especially coming off of a game like game five or he was invisible.

Like you would not recognize his presence in that game.

“You have to double check the box score to make sure he even played it.”

And then he comes out in a game like this and he's just in front of everybody turning the corner all the time looking super aggressive. And I think he can kind of turn that up whenever he wants to. That's the most terrifying thing about him at this stage. And seems healthy finally. Yep.

I don't, I didn't feel like he looked like him in two, three, four, and five. He was awesome in game one. He was awesome in this game. Took the spotlight off of Fox who's stunk. Um, another winner tonight. Garbage time.

San Antonio put out the triple towers. Olinic. Bianba plumbly. Yeah, we're the first time we'd seen that. I didn't even know they would do that. It was almost like in hockey when it's like a six to play off game.

And they put out the fourth line with like all the guys can fight and they're just kind of skating around. In case anything happens for a couple minutes. That was the vibe I was getting. Nothing happened. It's a different kind of high drama, but we all escaped unscathed somehow. Wait, were you surprised how they used Bianbo as like a stretch stretch seven?

I don't even know if he's a stretch five. You know, he's just 25 feet from the basket for no reason. Given the Bismapianba's in the NBA in 2026, nothing else could surprise me. It's amazing. Another big winner, NBC.

They get a Saturday night game seven. I actually thought they're crew, which I think has been pretty up and down because the two Reggie's Reggie and Jamal Crawford feeling it out. But I thought they did a good job tonight. Jamal Crawford. Yeah, he had a couple great points tonight. Like when he like Jada had a turn over like where he fumbled the ball bounce.

I have like this one too.

“Yeah, and and Crawford said, yeah, that's what happens when you're rusty.”

The hardest thing to come back is your ball handling. I'm like, oh, okay. Now get, I'll take it. It's an incredibly astute point. And we should also say exactly the thing that Jamal Crawford, one of the great ball handlers in history would say. It's like, yes, your thing would be the thing to go.

I do think he's right. Like it is where you feel clumsy is coming back or where you see a player like Jada just looking a little out of sorts, a little out of rhythm. Like how can you ask a guy to jump into a series this competitive and this brutal, like this was an incredibly physical game. Bodies were hitting the floor all over the place, not in the zepruder level analysis of flopping kind of way. But in the like people are, you know, this thing's a rugby game. Absolutely rugby game as a skirmish and a scrum to get every loose ball.

And you're just throwing Jada out there and be like, I guess see what you can do. It's, it's a lot to ask of them. That was another reason in the second quarter why I thought okay, see it was going to come back. Because once the reps were allowing three bodies on the ground for half the place, is that what okay, see once? They've door and croissant, heart and steam and J will. Like that, that sounds great for them. And they have SGA who's getting navigated and that stuff.

But it turned out to be way better for San Antonio.

“I think we're the AJ Mitchell is a winner.”

But they really miss his ad lib offense, second ball handler, take the pressure off of shake. Because otherwise you're just looking at Jared McCain who, you know, who has been, I would say considering for what they gave up on them like a revelation in these playoffs. But this is a lot of doing this insane Antonio gets a crazy crowd. They really needed him to be awesome in this game. And you know, as the second year got, I really do respect with McCain though.

I mean, he's a crucial ball handler for them right now, as you mentioned.

And he will actually go at Wimbie in a way that other guys won't. And he'll just see kind of like, if I bump him just enough, can I get a lay-up, can I get something up on the rim? So, you know, cheddar, heart and shine can clean it up. He's aggressive in ways they need him to be aggressive. He's just not quite up to the level of doing that as a driver right now.

Clearly a flamethrower shooter, and we've seen them like the thunder tap into...

Alright, so when we think about game seven, which is two days from now, we've gone every other day. And we both teams are a little banged up.

We've seen the Wimbie, you kind of know in the first quarter with him, if he has it or not, from a, a mall over the place, I have the eye, the tiger or, wow, Wimbie looks tired.

And it's just one of those two worlds. This is a game seven. It's hard to say who has the most at stake in this game, because it's a game seven to get to the final, so technically everybody has something at stake.

“But when we be knocking out OKC, be down three two, knocking out the back-to-back champs, a team that won, what do they win?”

Like 132 games and two seasons, and him basically, if they're going to win, he's going to be the best part in that game. Yeah, and at age 22, I had the four of the seven best games in this series, and we won four games to three. And now here we come, New York next, you are now in it. Like, I feel like he has the most at stake, even though if it doesn't happen this year, we'll just back out and be final, happen for a next year. Who do you think has the most at stake?

Yeah, I mean, Wimbie is the most to gain probably for that reason. That's what it is. Most to gain, but not a lot to lose, because you're right. I think right or wrong, we will expect that he has a lot of time ahead of him to be in series, and competitive situations like this one, the most at stake.

I mean, the thunder are in such an odd place overall, just in terms of their reputation, like they're placed in the basketball consciousness. It's like they're defending champions, and they get a lot of respect based on that. But clearly, they're not the most liked team in recent basketball history. And I wonder if they lose a series like this one, and let's say next season is also a challenging one for whatever reason.

Like, you can see their story taking a really sharp turn.

“I don't think that's what's going to happen.”

I kind of do expect that OKC will win game seven. I don't know that we're really in a position to predict anything at this point. Given the way this series has gone, but within that, the idea of shame coming out of this series, shooting like 37% from the field in a round that even though the thunder are injured, they lose.

I could see they're being a lot of questions and a lot of interrogation about just like them, and the construction of their team and what they should be moving forward. And there's some, do we have the right team to battle Wemby? We just lost to him, and that the spurs aren't even really the spurs yet. We'd open a lot of questions.

Definitely a lot more like, oh man, we're already searching for answers here. We just want to continue in games. And when the title last year, now that we have to question ourselves, I think from San Antonio side, I'm trying to think like ranking dudes who would have to come through, because game sevens, they're slower, they're uglier, the more on the rock fight side.

Yep. What we have seen though in recent years is road teams being able to go on the road and winning game sevens, which in the old days, you just won game sevens at home, that's just how it went. And then that started a shift. And now every once in a while, we seem to have these Philly at Boston, Dallas at Phoenix.

We have these ones where they're not even just winning on the road. They're killing teams on the road. They're just eradicating them. With that said, I do feel like the home court has mattered unusually in this series, because it ramps up the defense on both sides.

The three point shooters are going to be a little more comfortable at home. San Antonio for the guys that have to come through, one of the salons champagne. Yes. I need a four or five, three game for one of them. I need Harper to play like he did today, period.

I need Fox, not to suck like he did. I don't need him to be good, but you can't suck. You can't go like one for ten. And I need Wemby to be closer to where he was in the three wins than the three losses. What else needs to happen for them?

“I think they probably need another stretch like they had tonight,”

where they look really good in the minutes without Wemmyam on the floor.

Like this was one of the first times where that really broke for them in the series.

They looked confident. They were hitting shots. The ballroom was really good. The energy felt right. And that's an area where like Kelvin Johnson has become a really important player for them

in the series from an energy standpoint. And as Fox has kind of faded into the background and when Harper was heard, Kelvin was one of the few guys who was consistently driving for them. So I would say he's pretty important for them too. And sort of counter-balancing the upswing of OKC's role players at home.

Well, we have Thunder by three and a half on Fandles. Our game seven line. Yeah. Today's game seven line. Our game six line was spurs by three and a half.

And I think the last game was Thunder by three and a half. So it's just basically whoever someone must be the established home court advantage. From a referee standpoint. So if they're not calling stuff like they did today, usually I would think that helps OKC but today it really helps San Antonio.

Yeah.

It feels like the kind of game when there's a million fouls is always better for OKC.

We'll see who we will get.

Today we had Zack's Arba. I forget who else. But I'm sure we'll get James Capers is probably the best. Ref they have maybe Mark Davis. But hopefully it's not another Tony Brothers 80 foul situation. It would be my one guess.

We can't. But can Doran Caruso unleash the. You know, the Bruce Brothers routine. Are they going to be allowed to do it?

“Are they going to ramp up their stuff on Fox and Harper?”

Mm-hmm. And does Wendy have it in them this early? Yeah. I think as if he does, we're going to have four days to talk about a spurs next finals. And it's just going to be a Wendy Fest.

You're going to have this new, the new generational superstar here. And then you're going to have the most famous team we have other than the

Celtics and the Lakers trying to win their first title in 53 years.

And it's going to be about as good from a from a hype finals as we're going to have. Well, it's already been a whip. It's already been a whip, you fest. I mean, have you been listening to this podcast? Have you listened to the group chat?

Like, it's it's all we can all talk about because we're I mean, games like this or why. You know, yeah, it was a totally different kind of dominance than I think a lot of people were calling for. There was a lot of like, how do you get when be closer to the basket? How do you get a attacking more?

Turns out he can just beat you this way too on some nights. And if he's going to be hitting step backs against as they are in a shine, that might just be it. Like, that just might be your season right there. I, I really can't wait for this. I do think as far as the OKC like balance of all that physicality and

what the referee looks like, even if they're giving a lot of leeway on that stuff.

“I think Lou Dorge has to play less like the self destructive possessions that we've been”

talking about with this game.

There were like, maybe five to seven of those in the first half alone between the hijacking

possessions from three. Like looking off of swing passes that he should have made and taking his own. He like flopped really badly on defense like trying to sell and moving screen that then led to a wide open three. There were just so many possessions like that where I think in a game seven,

you can't leave anything to chance. It needs to be like a croissant playing 36 minutes and a Lou Dorge playing 10 to 15 minutes. Like even this felt like too much. Two for 11, one from nine for three and 22 minutes. Even if you look at all his games in May, he's only scored 10 points once.

6, 3, 10, 6, 5, 8, 0, 2, 7, 5. I test wise doesn't look like the same guy from last year. He's a little bit older and he's like a running backer, a tight end who has a lot of miles on him. And he has a team option on him next year that I'm sure is weighing over his head too. He's playing for his next contract and he just has looked at a sorts this whole time.

I thought I've said this before. I thought he was the reason him and Karusa were the reasons they won that game for in Indiana, which I think if they lose that game, I don't think they win the series no matter. I don't think we get to again. Yeah, 70 it's halver.

And it almost defense too. They really didn't need his scoring until this point, right?

In the first two rounds, like the thunder we're doing just fine.

But like going basket for basket, Shay was scoring at a much higher level. Chat was a more kind of like versatile unlocked offensive weapon. Although he's kind of tilted up as the series has gone on. I think with the offensive rebounding in particular. But they're just in these games where everything goes to shit for them.

They are so desperate for offense and Lou Dort is he is contributing to the strangulation that's happening there. Yeah, I don't love plus minus, but even in the game the other night. 18 minutes minus four in a game that they won by 13. Yeah. And then what was he in this last one?

Yeah, minus 16 and 17 minutes. I'm with you. I wonder like this is one of the thing. I mean, I love so many things about a game seven. You're just making different decisions than you're doing all year.

Yeah. It's like you're not there to, you don't care if feelings are hurt in a game seven. It's like, hey, Lou Dort, you're going to play eight minutes tonight. And that's just how it's going to go. Hey, Chris, so you might play 32.

So we'll see what would Wemby can pull out of him from a minute standpoint. I don't really understand his how he's tired one day and then not tired the next. But when I saw him dressed, what was he dressed like a monk today? Yeah. What was that outfit?

“I think it was like a throwback to where did he go to talk to the monks to bet?”

Shout out to the everyone from Tibet with that outfit. This is really something. All right, so your prediction, are you going to predict? I think okay see you will win. I don't feel great about it.

Clearly the line between these two teams is very thin, but then. Various wildly in terms of what the actual margin of victory is. I think for me. The shooting of the role players tilting back okay sees way as it seems like it just will when they go back home and every other game. The nerves kind of playing into their favor having been in games like this before.

Specifically for Shay like when it comes down to who do you feel confident will have the lift and the balance in their game in those moments.

I do think you tilt a little toward the experience of someone like the thunde...

And I do think that guys like Chad have made just enough of a change over the course of the series. He's been good defensively pretty much the whole way through, but he's finding enough ways to score where I'm like I can kind of see the whole picture of a thunder when coming together.

Even though based on tonight's game film you would never expect it.

Who do you think the next one to win?

“I think the next one the most injured version of the thunder to win possible.”

Like a banged up. Yeah, worn and torn thunder. Yeah, I don't think even with how they played in the regular season and the cup with the spurs and all that both of the teams with the nicks and the spurs weren't such different places. The idea of grappling with this version of when being such a unique challenge and such a daunting one that I don't think anyone necessarily wants that. Versus the thunder are a great team and incredibly formidable defense even still.

But you see the state that jade up is in. You see that AJ Mitchell isn't on the floor and you see kind of like what that does to their offense to lack any kind of supplementary options whatsoever. I think the nicks would prefer that sort of match up then trying to figure out the spurs. I'm leaning OKC as well.

“It would be unusual for a team this young to come back from three two and win a game seven against on the road against the defending chips.”

But you just made the point. These aren't really the defending champs of jade up. It's just going to basically not be playing. Yeah, I mean, I not at this point. Like whatever he was doing tonight, I'd rather just not play him and ride with the guys I have.

I would be surprised if game seven he plays that like first three minute blip and then you never see him again.

You know, like they try it for a second just to see if there's any more like traction there. But if it looks like this, I don't think he can play much in that game. Unbelievable stuff. Zach low an hour going to be going live on Netflix after game seven. So my Sunday night pod this weekend is going to be a Saturday night pod.

We're just going to. It's going to go for it. We'll see how it goes before before you and I go Rob on me. The ladder reform thing house in Jacob and I are about to talk about that after the break. And I'm going to give my thoughts to them, but the ladder reform.

They really went for it. They did a bunch of stuff.

There was one piece that we didn't talk about in the next segment that it looks like the second round is going to reverse.

In order from I didn't even see this. Yeah, I now it hasn't been confirmed in the reporting it, but it was one of the things they voted on. That basically if you have the 16th pick, you'll have the first pick in the second round and. My spoiler alert my thoughts were all this sounds great until we end up with the 1993 situation of the magic winning twice in a row. Yeah, do you like this three two one thing.

“Like elements of it, I think there are so there are parts of it that, especially in the transition feel super clunky and.”

Maybe borderline unfair to some of the teams that are been operating under the assumption of the league as is as they try to put their teams together. Like the Grizzlies in particular are in such they get such a raw deal because of the trade that they made with the jazz where they have the jazz as pick. Like I feel like most of the other widespread overhauls of a system like this in NBA history are usually stationed a couple years out for exactly this reasons like okay we got to let the pick protections expire we got to get through this cycle of transactions and then the changes will start.

I applaud like a more urgent dealing, but the trade offer that is like I don't know how you could explain this to the Grizzlies they like oh I'm sorry I know you thought you were getting what was going to be like a top five pick from the jazz potentially in the future, but you're just fucked. Well, and then the other side of it is like you're Indiana you trade your first round or this year that you lose because of the protections and then you trade your 29 first as well and then all these rules come in.

And now that 29 first is a much better pick than it was I feel like the picks that really weren't like from the shittiest teams that were that next level of like playoff teams or fringe playoff teams like if you have like. Miami's first round pick yeah right we have golden states first round pick or who knows even the happened the Celtics pick in 2029 all the sudden those picks gained value yes and and then the other piece of it where. Like the Celtics had those nets picks a couple times and there was one year when I think it was the I can't remember which one of them but Brook Lopez was just on a heater and it was like we're going to get the top three pick from the nets and then Brook Lopez was just going nuts for like.

Two straight months because the nets had nothing to play for and they played into a little bit of a later position yeah. Now it's like you could have a team's pick. They could play into that four to 10 spot and now you have a better odds in the pick anyway.

I don't know it's did there's they really really blew this up in ways that I ...

We've seen it again with almost every other giant rule change in the league and I mean this is going to have I would think massive repercussions on the trade market in general for exactly but you outlined with the picks right like any mid level team is going to talk themselves into holding on to a pick because it could be immensely valuable under this new odd standard. So I'm like I'm cool with that as someone who like I like talking about the games more than the potential trades but I hope the league is okay with the fact that so much of the interests in the NBA is driven by who is the player your team can get.

And I just think we're going to see fewer traits as a result of this I get it's going to really sap a lot of the energy out of a really the ability for these teams to deal with each other if it's all just player for player and there's really not a lot of sweetening involved with the picks. All right we're going to I'm taking a break and then has to come here coming on we're going to mail back but we talk about a lot of reform at the top more importantly for you not only can we hear you on group shot on the ringer and be a show.

But you're going live on Sunday for for the season or series for now if you for you we are not sure season for now series for now we have no idea but you're going to be live on our ringer TV YouTube channel.

“You and Joina Robinson yes was an hour and a half how long do we think this show is going to be I think it's confirmed it's over 90 minutes.”

So yeah, we're going to be going live at 830 Pacific come along maybe every character will be dead maybe will be setting up like a weird back door pilots season for I don't know what's going on with the show anymore but I can't wait to find out.

Is they they can't torture Jacob a lot anymore because he's been killed up right they torture his corpse.

It's for all over the world and I thought up on you for yeah, it's not going well for Jacob before you right now. Well it's it's gone terribly it's true. How do they get a go worse correction it's going very well for Jacob a Lordy who no longer has to be like doing acting in one room by himself on the show anymore. But for Nate Jacobs he is he's having a rough go.

I'm you guys are bigger you and Joanne are bigger fans of this season than I was.

My daughter's got to have full on everything so she's like no no it's good it's good I don't think it's been good and.

“I think you can really feel them filming in different parts of you know you just you know what I like on a TV show when the best characters are all together for scenes imagine it.”

Yeah little radical the other thing we're doing this weekend because I'm on Saturday night with Zach. Rewatchables now moving to Sunday and we did a 2000 one so that is coming as well 2001 a space Odyssey will now be running Sunday night free watch most Rob thanks for staying up with me great to see we're going to take a break come back with house to Jacobie thanks bill. The bill Simmons podcast is brought to you by fan dual fan do give me better payouts on same game par lays all NBA playoffs long more ways to build and more value every time you play stack your picks your way every game every match up every moment spreads player points.

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there's going to be 37 balls total the bottom three teams will get two instead of three they're they're calling it the relegation zone.

I don't know if I like this or not I like it more than I did a month ago but I still feel like houses wizards for instance if they would if you would try the whole year how many games would you have one house you'd really tried.

With this with the original roster with CJ McCollum because McCollum they wen...

As you've been in the relegation zone the answer is yes.

I've definitely been in the relegation zone.

“Well here's the thing you mentioned the the McCollum trade.”

So one of the benefits of this I guess would be that we're going to see less deadline trades and giveaways and we're going to see less of just anti Davis getting traded for nothing. Or like what the bulls did fun the bulls like do I trade the sumo and I do trade Kobe white if it's not really technically going to make me that much worse and I'm going to be in that four to ten range which is going to have the most ping pong balls anyway. Are we going to see guys get given away. Are we going to see conversely teams that are worried about being in the relegation zone trying to trade for players that will help them.

There's all of these ramifications to this that I'm trying to wrap my head around your cobs, but the biggest thing and we were all alive for this was the 93 lottery. When they did 66 balls and they did it was 11 teams in the lottery house remembers this we were both out of college. And it basically was the most simple we could do it the worst team got 11 balls, second worst got 10 third worst got nine and went all the way down to the best of the worst teams was early into who got one ball they had a 1 in 66 chance.

“And they got Chris Weber who they then traded for penny hard away and three first run picks and everyone lost their fucking minds do you remember this.”

Because they got shack the year before then they got whoever the and everybody's like oh my god how can this happen and that led to 30 years of lottery form to Kobe so why wouldn't that happen again with this new system. Well, a couple things everyone that's not the biggest thing the biggest things that they're going to tell about like we were talking about this last time. And then person like you got to remember like this you know to Kobe the TV producer got from my producer had on here like this is now a television event instead of like them doing it in some back room and then like a host reading it that to me is the biggest thing is like.

It'll be a really fun thing to watch franchises change like right there in the moment instead of like it is a little still when like Earth's young has in a brief case or whatever and it's like in this secret room I like that idea that it's going to happen live on television it's going to be a television event.

“The best thing about this. Well, we figured it's going to we figured it's going to be 37 balls and just one pops out and that's it like they're not going to do the complicated four ball saying and it'll just be one.”

Yeah, it'll be like I imagine it'll be like watching like the the lotto on like the the five o'clock news when we were kids.

I'm not curled just like the ball pop up they'll have like a way that we easier to fix this all here's the thing Jacobi the most recent draft was very dramatic.

And I know that that people knew the results I didn't know the results and it was it was live enough for me I mean it was very very very the last five picks as a fan of of you know the wizard was I was on the edge of my seat I was barely breathing that's fair. But that's why we need the actual GM's out there the people at the most at stake in real time what was your second favorite thing jacos easily and my pod brother Chris Vernon. It was not unanimous. I just love the idea the creases are just like somehow the creases get screwed no matter what well the thing is in a fantasy league if you change the rules that's dramatically for the next year where people have future stuff.

There would be a lot of arguments and angry emails going back and forth about well I have three first run picks in the minor league draft next year now you're changing rules I mean this is bullshit trying to screw me.

But somehow that didn't happen in the embedded it at the top five restricted thing they did add that you couldn't win the picks two years and rather first pick so I like that stuff but.

I don't know I I feel like this could lead to some result that we're all completely horrified by right like okay see having somebody's pick is the 10th pick and then okay see ending up with the first picker just some sort of thing we're like oh this was the worst case there and happen. Because that's what happened to Chris for everything I don't mind it though. I don't mind the idea of a relegation zone and team's being humiliated. Right. How's this team should have been humiliated the last couple years and finally happen with them out about.

Yeah, but that's all they're doing was was responding as rational actors to a system that they didn't create but they certainly leveraged you know the the opportunity. So we'll see what set of opportunities.

Well, it's an improvement and also like all MBA changes they're just like flo...

Yeah, so they can change it if something goofy happens there's sort of being like we're testing this it's a three year test drive and we'll reevaluate in three years which I kind of like to.

Once and then falling into the relegation zone is really rough. I think we really got to because there's going to be some fan bases like that happened at Indiana this year. They don't have however and they lose turn or they have a bunch of injuries the first half of the year and just by no fault of their own they ended up bottom three and had two balls instead of three that's rough.

“I got the functional equivalent of that. For all of that pain, they got too much. Oh, yeah, right, Richard. They drafted too much.”

Richard's going to college as again. I'll tell you this. I'll pass along some some intel that's been floating around.

Oh, apparently the Kings love a cuff, which I don't think is the super secret there at seven in the cuppers have five and don't need a cuff because they have they have a point guard already and it would be really easy for them to flip picks and for them to end up with a little extra something something from Sacramento, which I guess would be some sort of swap or future pick whatever. They could turn that zoo batch pick into the seventh pick Indiana's 2029 pick and then something from Sacramento the best team in the league to trade for which would make it one of the better trades we've had.

Just for zoo bats who's like, I like zoo bats. I voted from 13 a year ago, but that's an incredible trade. I have to get off some stuff that I forgot to do on Tuesday, biggest losers from the next cabs sweep in the east. I'm just going to read this to no particular order.

“Speaking of Sacramento, did you see this? This was floating around a little bit about Sacramento the 2,000 26 finals have seen Antonio makes it. It could be Mike Brown to get steering Fox 25 Hallbert was the best guy in a final steam.”

24 Luka was the best guy in a final steam who they passed up for Barbara Bagley and then 2023 Michael Malone was the coach of the team that one. How's do you have anyone from Sacramento that could throw the wizards into this for 27. I saw that. I really admired it, but you know that it only parallels Washington this Washington franchise. I think the streak is now up to 18 straight finals 19 straight finals were a former wizard is going to participate in the finals. But the kings are the gift that keeps on giving that that's where our focus should be. It's appropriately there and let's just let them keep doing what they're doing. It's very good for the basketball. It's very good for the, for the narratives. It's very good for our podcasts like the over own podcast at the beginning.

“The only thing that we got right was is that low was was the most vicious I've ever seen that. He went dark was like watching like a TV drama and the cop goes dark and starts doing weird shit.”

I feel like you guys should be in the relegation zone because that over under spot just we probably should. I mean, I'd be fine with it. We won't make it to pick 25 of the teams.

Jacob's we dealt with Sacramento. I think Vexa nice guy. I've always run anytime I run to super nice guy. I'm not sure he should own an NBA team. I'm pretty sure at this point.

But we dealt with him for that grantland thing we did when they picked Stowskiss, which was one of those mini documentaries that we had. Well, I forgot what year was that like 2011 or 2012. Yeah, they're 13. They let us in their draft room and it was clear nobody wanted to take Stowskiss instead except for Vivek over world everyone. It's like Stowskiss Stowskiss. And it became this great internet moment and he's just been given his comedy ever since. And it's nothing was better than the maybe we should play four guys on defense thing was like, well, what's that it's like something shouldn't be said out loud, but there's a it actually came to us for that.

Yeah, we will give you full access to our draft room. We're like sure that's a big and pretty expected it. So Sacramento is a loser. The choice GM not doing anything at the trade deadline, which we all killed them on on every podcast we have. Well, why not. But I really wonder if they watch I can on fuck we did one more score James Harden. Who I thought took a proper pounding for everybody the last couple weeks, but he's four straight trades now were the team that got him probably has real regrets after the trade.

What is what's the equivalent of this house like what food order is the I regret it the next day food order, but it seemed like a great idea at eight thirty at night after three drinks.

I'm going to say this with love in my heart.

And I only order it under the circumstances you just described. I mean if I'm having fried chicken and I'm sober then I order Popeyes because Popeyes was by far and then if you know Popeyes isn't a rough is bowjangle. I mean I mean the south of where I back to us.

“But because like you fried chicken is everywhere and it does have a tendency to be open till two in the morning in a lot of places.”

Which comes you hear that that James heart in the KFC order four straight really sounds any fun anything after 11 PM is the answer. That's the appropriate. That's true.

That's true. Those are now being called James art. The other great James heart to think. 98 playoff wins now without a final appearance, which ties him for the all time record with Carl Malone. They're there now linked Carl Malone and James heart at most playoff wins without a final appearance. All right, so I'm making him a loser. I want to I want to push back. Why is James heart in a loser as a result of I mean there are very specific things you can point to once again several games where his turnover is exceeded.

How about just not running back on first breaks just yeah, but here's terrible transition defense that's been the story of his career. That's right. That's right. It's been the story of his career. It's no longer a bug. It's a feature plus he's 36 years old.

“So my my real quibble with Cleveland and and hardened. I thought that trade was successful. I think it made sense that they they couldn't rely on various garland anymore.”

They put themselves in the top four seeds of of the east and they, you know, handle their business all the way up until they they encountered team is just better than them. And and hardened was important to them, especially in the first two series. They both those series with seven games. I'm not defending James hardened, but what I'm saying is I don't think he's a loser based on what we just saw he's 36 years old that the franchise is the loser, especially if they extend him. But James hardened was just James hardened to me. But that's the issue to coves. They clearly have a wink wink with him. It's already come out. Yeah.

So it's not just like, oh, we've traded for James hardens, inspiring contract and we dump the garland thing and we'll be way under the tax extra because this money's coming up.

He's going to get like a two or three year deal for like 30 million a year.

So they're actually actually stuck with him going forward, knowing that him and Mitchell as a defensive back court isn't great. So I would say that's the bad. Well, I also thought it was bad at the end of game one when fronts and just went after him possession after possession after possession. It's not just so. And yes, that wasn't great. And that's the whole story. I'm sure I can since could be on this list, but also after the series, but he says, I we are the better team. I was like, oh, I just saw four basketball contests between the two of you, and I didn't have the same impression.

I was superb. I loved him for doing that. He was wonderful. I thought I played great defense. I thought we were the better team magnificent standing. That's a good thing. Good zags today. Are you going to say, I got Kenny Acketson being one of the big losers. No, no, I mean, I don't think that I'm going to live that down. I feel like that's going to come up for the rest of his coaching career. He cannot and he should not, and he shouldn't be ahead coach ever again. I mean, I'm still bringing him back.

I'm looking for those timeouts that he held on to and game one. I'm looking for him on eBay hasn't put him up yet, but you know, I wonder what what price he could get for those. They were valuable to him in some form of fashion because they're still in his pocket. He can't use now because they they're not planning any more games, but no, that dude is an assistant coach. The combo of that to James Harden have been bringing him back being way over the luxury tax again, and then having the Nick fans completely take over your arena for two straight games, which happened in two straight series, by the way.

That was about as rough of a sweep as I can remember. We've had bad sweeps. That was like, Chico's, what was a worse sweep than that.

“It was like, it had everything that you were watching sweep, right?”

I had everything you would want because they looked so good at the beginning of game one, and I'm sitting there watching it. I'm like, Dave, the Nick's had too much time off, like they're too rusty, this other team has been in battles for two seven game series.

Better team, there was so much better for that first half, so they had the gut wrenching loss and overtime.

Then everything else was just completely outclassed for in game two and game three. Then you had the fan take over, and then you have game four where Mitchell comes out, and he's given it his best in the first half, and the second half that is didn't quit. They just gave up, and you can hear the chance. It was just like, that's pretty bad.

I mean, it's also bad that when they had to come out with like a headline tha...

I was like, oh, wow, I had to read it twice. I was like, oh, they made like an announcement that he's keeping his job. Well, how's the counter as they finished fourth and the 30 team lane? Don't overreact. Well, counter to the counter, they were supposed to win 57 games. They were supposed to match the output of the previous year, and they had to trade there as Garland, you know, before the trade deadline to capture the winning percentage, and there was no explanation other than in and out.

“I mean, mobile, he was supposed to continue to take another step. I mean, here's the thing for me.”

It's a sour situation. You laid it out, yes. Let me ask you guys this.

When, let's just look at the counter, what date before after August the first is the first rumor that

the Ottoman Mitchell would be interested in playing for a different basketball team. And is that as exciting for 12 other teams as it was like a year ago? Well, I had that my next loser, Evan Moby, who I think is now a legit threat to be the fall guy and get sent somewhere. Because they got to get into the tax somehow. And if they, if they have the wink wink with heart in it, then it's Jared Allen.

It's Moby or it's, or it's Mitchell. Chicobs, do you think could you see yourself at Barclays next year? Eat in a $15 finis pizza and watching Moby run high screens with Ben Seraph? Is that a play? That's not so exciting.

That's not good. Well, I think he was running with Nolan Treyori. No, that's not true. That's not true for me either. No, you're not. No, they could then train down there. I do kind of like Yegor Joeman.

I can't afford to go to Nick's game, so net's games are in play. I can see both arguments, right? This was the first series with this core where they were like really healthy. Every other year there was like, yeah, but a Garland was out. And I also kind of feel like Mitchell was compromised against the next, but I don't think that was going to make such a big difference.

I can see them saying, let's make some tweaks and not make a huge move this off season. But I can also see them saying, we've had this core. It has been mildly successful and very successful in the regular season, but not successful in the postseason, something needs to change. I can see both sides of this decision.

How's who says no to Moby for the six pick? Who has the six pick? Brooklyn. No. Yeah, yeah, I can't say no.

You say 50 million bucks.

You bring the guy making it about nine. That's nine. Not to different incentives. You say about almost 40 million bucks. And then the hard-of-lature attack stuff too.

The reason why it's reasonable is because if that team looks in the mirror and drink some actual sort of honest serum, some truth serum, are they better than the Celtics next year? Do they think they are? That's why I'd be blown up.

I think they're better. I would trade Mitchell if I were them, but I just think they have to do something.

“I think they had their window, and this is it.”

The east is going to be better next year. I don't see how they're better next year. Part new year or older. Another loser, LeBron James. I feel like Cleveland was a like a fifth ring title chase team.

I'll go there. You guys are close. I'll take the minimum. Everyone loves when somebody takes the minimum. Carl Malone did that for the O304 Lakers.

Oh my god, this guy just wants to win man. He'll do anything. I don't think LeBron is fixing anything if he goes there. They weren't at LeBron James away from beating the next, and then going into the next round,

to get Santa Turner, OK, see and winning. And I just think that options out. Let's see it. You agree, Jakobs? I'm fascinated by what LeBron does this offseason,

because I can't see anything that works. Like literally of all the teams, like none of it really makes sense.

And the problem is he is a valuable player.

So he should be compensated for his production. What does that mean? Because it's not a max price, but is it like 25 million year house? What is 30?

2 for 50? It's whatever the team he decides he wants to spend next year with, kind of Ford and fit and have one more great player. Still love. I mean, honestly,

“I think LeBron is a winner by virtue of what happened with Cleveland.”

Cleveland is the loser, not LeBron. LeBron wins. What are we talking about? The two options to be that are viable.

My number one, the one I read for the most, is the one that you threw out there, which is Kevin Durant and LeBron going to Golden State. Can we put Davis in the Durant spot? I have Davis in there now.

Do you have Davis going to Golden State?

Yeah. So it's AD. You got the win.

“Okay, Butler and Golden State's 27 first.”

You're doing that. You're not going to. Take that. And then they get the Brown with the mid level. They bring Davis.

They still have the 11th pick. They'll get a good player because this draft's really good. And we get the expendables. I had a fake sign and trade. I don't know if this is possible with the heart

and who knows what the heart and extension is. Could you do a three way where Durant goes to the Lakers? LeBron goes to the calves. And Harden goes back to Houston.

And all the money just kind of works. And it's just kind of, It's just Durant's playing with Luke and Reeves. LeBron goes back to Cleveland, but is able to make like 35, 40 million year.

And then Harden just goes to Houston. And kind of gives them something they need, which is a guy who can create offense. House likes that one. It's kind of funny.

It's kind of funky. It's a merry-go-round of old guys.

The problem is I think LeBron and JJ.

The only other, like there's only handful of coaches. I can see LeBron tying his wagon too. Yeah, but you can, they're not paying him more than, I don't think, 15 million year. They got to pay Reeves like 40.

You still want to make the team better. You have a window with Luke and now. We have to improve it. I don't see them doing it. I think another loser is the Celtics

who won a title in 2024 with a 27-year-old star, and a 26-year-old star. And now have twice, two years at a row, lost their team. You'd most want to be in the East title.

They lose it last year to Indiana. That's like, "I'd rather be Indiana going forward with the Tatum injury." And then this year you'd be like, "Oh, I'd rather be the next. They're going to have like clearly a three-year run."

And the Celtics now have to deal with this juggernaut next team. Miami, probably getting Yanis, Detroit, probably getting somebody else, and maybe they missed their window.

It's depressing. I don't need you guys to talk about the Celtics. I want to mention that. No, Bill, you've not mentioned the Twitch streaming. I mean, we have to.

I've never seen someone sort of at a loan in their house,

talking to the computer, jeopardize their future with their franchise. I've never seen anything like this. It's like fighting with Stephen A. I don't understand what's happening.

He's like proposing like a neutral sight, Stephen A. Debate. What is happening? Otherwise, I'd be excited for that. Yeah, I was thinking if there was,

if there was a wringer staffer who started to do the J.L. Brown Twitch thing every night, and was just kind of dancing with the line night after night, we probably would have had a phone call at this point. Like, "Hey!"

Just shaking. I don't know if this is a great idea. Another loser, Massiah Harry, who can we talk about? He gave up Ciacca, Manan and Obey,

“who are two key pieces of the last two eastern final seems that we have.”

And he got quickly, RJ Barrett and two firsts in the 20s. Is Stephen your Joe Doomar's house? Hey, well, he lost his job. We lost his job.

We're out there, better than it. Like they went in the title, because the quiet trade, and then Doomar's style, everything he does after that is kind of shaky.

I feel like it was fair for us, the number of years leading up to this most recently completed season

to be extremely critical of Toronto.

The moves we were making, we were befuddled by them, that the money they were spending on players. I mean, it's still, you know,

Isaiah quickly is this Isaiah here. Oh, man, you know. I know. Is now like the poster child for how you don't do stuff in this. Yeah.

You don't have 30 million hours, six men. You know, I'm 30 million dollars centers. Um, another loser is Adam Silver, because the Jane Stone finals view is here. This is going to be so fascinating to see how this works out.

I don't think there's a lot of love lost,

“and I think usually when you have the finals”

and a location, the owners usually helpful with the league. That's right. That's happened in this time. I have two more.

Vivek Procarov, Robert Sarber and Glenn Taylor. Have on now past James Dolan and the worst owners rankings. The 21st century. I think Dolan's out of the Mount Rushmore now. I mean, he came to know over this team.

They made Eastern finals last year. They made the finals this year. He's out. And I think it's Vivek Procarov. Sarber Glenn Taylor.

Is that something like the right list of code? Anybody else you throw in there? Off top of your head? Go there. Procarov was amazing.

He doesn't get enough credit. Oh, no. Yeah. He was spending money. He didn't even get married if they didn't win the championship.

Yeah. I think actually Glenn Taylor might have been the worst one, though. Because he even sold this team for way less than what it was worth. He was just terrible owner. He even fucked up the sale of his own franchise.

And then tried to do a lawsuit over. Yeah.

Then tried to do a lawsuit over.

Do we see the guys who have bought it? A dead loser. I'm wondering. It should Procarov and Josiah be lumped together. Because Josiah basically tried to run back the Procarov playbook.

And how did he correct Kyrie? Just seems like he's loyal to a front office. That's not very good for some reason. Josiah at least made runs. If hard in Kyrie, don't get hurt that year.

They probably win the title. All I'll say is Ryan's door for like a word. He'd like to, you know, some consideration this conversation. That's fair. We just caught on his pre-big market.

The legacy of it. That's fair.

Which we always have been in front of being terrible.

Legacy kid owners, 123, 24, and 26. Celtics win, 24, 23. The cronkeys. Josh was running the nuggets. And then 26 James Allen.

So there you go for that. All right. We're going to take a break. We're going to come back and have some good mailback stuff for you guys. All right, mailback questions.

You can send them to BS podcast 33 at gmail.com. This is from Joe from Waterloo, Illinois. He said with the incredible playoff run of these next, we need an updated key to the city rankings. This is for if you win the title.

You just own the city and get the key. And he said right now the rankings and his mind. Number one, Josh Allen. Number two, Jalen Brunson. Number three, Austin Matthews.

Hockey. Number four, Caleb Blams. Number five, Jared Gough. Who's missing for your jacobes? And that one. Um.

Want to put.

She don't smith in there.

[laughs] Well, but not on the answer. She doesn't know what team. What team is he got? This is funny.

This is very funny. Go ahead. The jets. [laughs] Okay.

Think about it. Think about it. Pass? Um, I had two guys. I had Anthony Edwards because Minnesota deserves somebody.

And there's nobody on their football team that you can point to. I mean, if Kyler Murray turns out to be, you know. Yeah, don't under that. Yeah, don't under that. But I thought right.

So I love Anthony Edwards. And then I feel like, you know, Joe Burrow could be in the conversation.

“And then I think that's a really good idea.”