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There's always been a great argument about April versus October for best sports month,

which I've covered in multiple mail bags back when my fingers worked. And I think the answer is probably October because you really get hardcore and a foul and there's just games constantly in the world series and everything, but this specific week where you have basketball playoffs, round one, there's games every night, NHL, round one, games every night.

You have the NFL draft all the weed up for it and then you have baseball going on too. So I had, this is one of the rare nights where I had to actually break out this big iPad here for fourth TV because I wanted to watch Buffalo and the Bruins, I wanted to watch two basketball games, I wanted to watch NFL draft. I would have cared about Red Soxie, Yankee is that the Red Sox were good this year, but

that's a sunk costs, something Team John Henry. Anyway, I have some NFL draft thoughts and I want to talk about variable at the end.

“So in no particular order, pretty boring draft, I think next year's drafts are going”

to be awesome. So this is almost like the appetizer leading to the untray. Like we knew who the number one pick was going to be for three months, Vegas moves into the Mendoza era and we'll see how good he's going to be. The only certainty is that Tom Brady and Mendoza will probably film some of the most awkward

social media content that God has ever created. Those two guys together, anything's possible, I can't even fathom how wood and some of the interactions are going to be, can't wait. Big winners, I guess the giants, 'cause Rhys fell to five, a lot of people included are own dating Kelley had him as the number one player in the draft, not even 21 years old yet.

Awesome pass, Russia, you know, just do it all defender potentially who knows what these guys, but he felt a five and then they got an offensive lemon tenet did seem like there was a moment when they were going to get down, it's the safety who Dallas took at number 11 and they were going to get Rhys end down.

“And I think if you gave true serim to every giants fan, even though the offensive line”

was the smart pick for them, if you gave true serim to the giants fans, doubling down on an already potentially a pretty good defense with with Rhys and with downs, I think they all would have signed up for that. And in general, I just think the giants, I said this on Tuesday's podcast, I think they were

looming as this year's Patriots, just that worse to first easy schedule added a bunch of guys,

herniated disc. I'm sure to be fine. What could go wrong with herniated disc?

Nine offensive linemen in the first round. We talked about this on Tuesday's podcast. The

over under was seven and a half and that kept moving up. They really could have made eight and a half.

“And I think it was, I'm not being nine anyway. So the giants, they were fun to talk about”

tie Simpson goes to the Rams at number 13 and it was one of those where if you didn't go 13, he might have fallen all the way to the end of the first round. Shomukfe is one of those. I'm not trading down. I'm Shomukfe. No way. Here's Shomukfe is one of Super Bowl. I probably would have traded down. So this is one of those where this guy does not check a lot of the quarterback boxes,

like career starts. He's not big enough. It was bad down the stretch, but people were then decided it was more his team's fault that he was not good. And yet you go to the Rams and you just feel like the guy's been minted. I was trying to think of other, it's almost like a movie director. You know, if you're in like a Chris Nolan movie, you're just, you're in a Chris Nolan movie. It's going to be fine. And maybe that's the way this will work out with Simpson going to McVay

“sitting for a year. I don't mind the whole not trading down thing personally. I do think we get a”

little carried away with that. Where if they go from 13 to 18 and pick up a third round pick next year,

you know, and then they take them there, then it's a brilliant move. But if you just take them at 13 because you wanted them and you were afraid somebody else was to take them. Not brilliant. I didn't mind it. It felt about, I don't know, 10 picks too high, but whatever. I like Stiles to Washington was great. Sunny Stiles to the live backer. Perfect pick. Gave, gave the Washington fans like a signature guy. And the dance to Dallas was another great one.

I really enjoyed Arizona taking love the running back at number three, which was a classic, we don't know who to take care of. Fuck it. Let's just take the top guy on our board. The last four top three running backs taken Ronnie Brown number two, Reggie Bush number two, Barkley number two and Trent Richardson number three.

“That's 25% really small sample size. But their quarterbacks to Kobe percent, it is being backed up by”

Gardner, Mitchell. And I don't think they can really block in their division with the Rams and the Niners and the Seahawks. So good luck to love. I'm just kind of hoping he would fall to the Titans, but he ends up going there and Titans took a receiver. Another big thing that happened, lemon goes to Philly at 20. They trade up for the receiver from USC, which basically confirms that Agia Brown's going to be on the Patriots. Because they've just spent all this capital on receiver. We

get to watch another Eagles wide receiver solely become unhappy and lose the water live on the on the Philadelphia Eagles. But Agia Brown sounds like we'll be going on the Patriots. I don't know what the trade is. I really hope it's not next year's number one because I'm not convinced the Patriots are going to be very good next year. There's a lot of bad sides against it, including Super Bowl loss, Super Bowl hangover, all that stuff, first place schedule. I'm not

sure you know the story that's happening with our coach, but it's not good, but a lot of bad sides. So I hope it's the 2028 first round pick. More stuff from the draft gets ended up with three first runners. They took Bailey's second pass rusher. I thought they should take a race. They took Sadik the Titans at 16. And then they traded back up into the first round to take Cooper, the excellent Indiana receiver. I really like him at at 30. So great draft on paper.

They did trade two of their best players to get two of the picks that then led to them coming out of the first round being like, we got three starters in the first round. Well, it's because you traded two. It's like optical illusion. But I didn't mind the draft. I thought they should take in race. Can't say they got a corner back. They traded up for that. New England traded up for Lomo, the the tackle. Who I guess is going to be the right tackle from

Utah, but traded up jump Kansas City in the Niners. The Patriots never jumped teams. So that was fun.

So they gave up a fourth rounder in that pick. And then Mike Rayble was also giving up fourth round on Sadik. Tennessee took Tate fourth. So we'll get on the glass half full word to Tate connection. Sounds fun. Red flag that he was the second best receiver at Ohio State. And somehow went number one in this draft. I got Slate Slate, Slate Marble Liam, splashbacks with that number of Marble Liam's got taken. I had a crisp ball in the 2005 NBA draft

even though he didn't start from Earth Carolina. I was like a voice crying in the wilderness. This seems wrong. Why didn't this guy start from Earth Carolina? How is he going to be the number two pick in the draft? The other one that worried me was Tyson, the wide receiver, whose stud

prone stud has broken a lot of hearts over the years and sometimes made some teams happy. You just never know.

“He goes to the Saints, a team that plays in the super dome and has a pretty legendary”

situation with the Saints and the Pelicans and they cheap out on a training staff, medical staff stuff and it just feels like a good luck all the way around. I don't know if I would have taken this guy if I'm the Saints. But I guess Chris Alave has somebody to play cards with when he's in the trainers room. The biggest thing I noticed from the draft other than I don't really understand ESPN strategy of having the college guys on ABC and then whatever that my green bird thing was on

ESPN, but not just using the NFL live people, which is a really good show. I just maybe would have used those people. But Gedel's hugs. This has been weird. The entire time he's been doing it and there's been a million comments and a million videos and I'm not breaking any new ground here. The hugs have gotten longer. I think he's tried to figure out how he can I'd love for somebody to break this down the hugs from 10, 12 years ago to the hugs in

2026 because I think he's holding on longer. I think he's trying to make them more meaningful and they're starting to take on the vibes of somebody who's reuniting with their son who just

at a five year tour in Vietnam in the early 70s and came home and they never thought they'd see

“their son again and they see them and they're just hugging for 10, 12 seconds and that's how long”

these hugs are taking down. I just don't understand. I know it's this thing. It's pretty weird and I think we're forgetting how weird it is. I just think it's strange that he hugs 32 people for 10 seconds of peace. It feels like I don't know and I said I don't know. It's almost like wrestling when the moves in wrestling they kept going higher and higher with the jumps and then eventually you have people jumping off 25 foot ladders and shit like that and you're like, "All right,

somebody's gonna break their neck down." I don't know how far how much further he can push the hugs. I guess we'll be on pins and needles trying to find out. The Steelers were up and it was in Pittsburgh and they had over 320,000 people there. I asked this every year, "I have no idea why anybody would want to go to the draft."

“I'm trying to think at any point in my life when I was the craziest about sports,”

even when you know I was going to Yankee Stadium and sitting in the upper deck wearing a red socks shirt and Brune's pants and just was a lunatic. I don't even think that I would have wanted to go to the draft. I just don't really understand why people want to go. Maybe I'm missing something. I'd love if you can feel free to email me at BS Podcast 33 and explain it. I just don't get it. I don't really want to do anything that has 320,000 people in it, but I'm also old. But anyway,

they played Renegade by sticks that they've kind of, the Steelers have kind of played pretty good stuff. I can't kill him on that. And they got the crowd into an absolute frenzy because the Steelers are picking and throw a bed is just coming out, waving it out, and then they took a left tackle. And I was deep that's funny when that happens. I was really into that. All right, got to talk about variable really quick. The story happened,

we're dying and we're seeing he's been on this podcast before. I don't know it very well, it only matters one time in New Orleans. And variable is the coach of my favorite team. So this the whole story happens. And I was debating whether to talk about it on the pot. And it's just like, they're both married, both have kids. Like, let's kind of see where this goes. And I thought I would maybe cover it a mailbox or something. And then this week, it goes to

a whole other level to the point that he really did become a football story this week. Because for

one thing, he's missing the third day of the draft, where the Patriots had apex on a seven

because it treated the fourth rounder. But he's stayed there today for the draft. He's there to Mario. And then he's gone for the weekend because he's got some family counseling stuff. And did a press conference today. And basically it was like, I have to do this. You know, he's like family first and football respectable. I don't know why I could just start on the Sunday. But that made it more football story. And then the fact that this seemed to be going on for a long time.

You know, they'll almost like that movie. Same time next year, cross with broke back mountain or something.

I can't tell you how many texts I've gotten about it. I'm going to have sent about it. Like,

“just trying to figure out, like, is this story going to get worse? And it actually feels like it,”

like there's more coming. And it feels like, you know, the evidence is whether it was an on again off again thing or whatever. But they clearly had some sort of relationship. And she was covering the team. And he was coaching the Titans and the Patriots. She was covering the league. In the, you know, the athletic item involved, they stood up. They athletic and the Patriots, both stood up for them because they're telling them, you know, now the story is nothing. It's

nothing burger, which you're going to do if you're trying to protect your family. But then it was

clear there was way more to the story. And now the tone is shifted. And it just feels like if,

you know, all the Patriots fans that I'm talking to and, you know, even somebody like my dad and we talk about it, we're just like, this feels like a terrible element just for the season. Not to mention all the personal stuff. There's no way this isn't going to affect the coach. There's no way this isn't going to affect the team. Also coming off some of the other stuff that happened. And the way variable carried himself last year is like such a leader and the Patriots

are a family. And is this going to seem genuine now? And it's just one of those, it's one of the sports stories that just sucks in every capacity other than, you know, unless you're on social

meeting and jokes out of it. But in terms of like the craziest Boston stories ever, which I

really try to put some time and thinking about and I didn't want to put like dark stuff like regular listings like that. But just the kind of what the fuck the WTF Boston sports stories are really great one when I was a kid, the Celtics won the 1976 title. And then they let Paul Silasco, who is their best rebound. It was my dad's favorite player in Dave Collins, the center, who was, you know, one of the best players in the league just retired the next season in his prime.

“And sat out like the first 35 games and at one point, I can't remember how I think he drove a”

cab one night. But then at one point he took a job working for Suffolk Downs, the race track. And this was just being covered day to day in Boston. Like, I'm trying to think if this happened now, because the players that make that much money back then, but I can't describe how fucking bonkers this was when it was happening. Like Dave Collins, he's just going to retire and it's like Dave Collins took a job at Suffolk Downs. That story was that the Larry Bird 1985 bar fight that

happened in the playoffs that we didn't find out about until all the sightings having issues with the thumb. And he was the best part in the league and he was in the hottest street kid ever had. And then all of a sudden he his shot was going sideways and he had a obviously swollen thumb. And then it turned out he was in a bar fight in Boston. And then it got reported by Dan Shawna see and everybody got mad at Shawna see that he kind of kind of told tail about Bird. But actually it was a real

story and he should have written about it. It was one of the things that cost him the title. That was weird. But it turned out he punched some dude in a bar. Paul Pierce getting stabbed was awful. Oil can void. Which one of our best pictures there in the 1986 season when we went to the

“world series and then at 13 pitches to win the world series. And I don't know if you remember but”

we fucking lost the world series and the meds. But oil can void. He didn't make the all-star team and spun out and disappeared. And was actually on the cover of sports all-straded and there are all these rumors that he was doing drugs and all that and he was just really unraveled and all these different ways. And then came back and pitched and then became so unreliable that they couldn't pitch him in in game seven. And it was one of the many reasons why they lost the

meds. And in 2012, oil can void admitted that he was smoking crack every day during the season. So our fears were valid. But that was just really weird looking back. He may adopt on the Celtics that happened really soon. That was crazy. Irving Freyer missed the 1985 ABC Championship game. He was not our best receiver but one of our best offensive players and he was the kick returner. He was the number one pick in the 84 draft. And he missed it because he had a hand

laceration. And then it turned out his wife stabbed him in the kitchen in the hand and it came the story that came out and that story was nuts. But obviously the winner here is Aaron Hernandez and we don't need to go into this. But this variable recini story is really nuts and it's been interesting to watch everybody who has a platform try to figure out ways to talk about it because at one point it didn't really feel like a story but now it is. And it's undeniable and even today

step down. And this is a guy that completely rejuvenated the team turned the culture around

created something that seemed really substantial. And if you had told me in January, we'd have questions about Drake Bay and Mike Vrable. That would have seemed insane.

“I don't have any questions about Drake Bay, but I think the weird thing about this story is”

I don't know if it's over. Is there more stuff coming? We're already seeing like today there was 2020 photos from back then and then there was like people are seems like they're going through their iPhones like oh yeah I think I was at a bar one night I noticed. So who knows if this is going to keep going? But Vrable is the meaner at the press conference today. He just looked

like he had been hit by a truck and it was really really strange. So we'll see how this goes but

I felt like I had to mention this is about as crazy of a Boston sports store as I can remember. And we'll see how it plays out I guess. All right. We'll take a break. I'm going to come back and we're going to talk basketball with Vrable and the nuggets. How much trouble are then? That's next. The Bill Simmons podcast is brought to you by my friends at Fandle. MBA fans. This is your reminder to check in daily because every day during the playoffs which had been really fun so far.

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little after 9 p.m. Pacific time incredible sports night. Rob Bajoni is here. We're going to talk

basketball first. I thought we'd be here under better circumstances, Rob. We'll start against game three. J. D. McDonald's talking all kinds of trash about the nuggets defense. And then all of a sudden Aaron Gordon gets scratched. It's like a, uh, and then Minnesota just kicked their ass again. And uh, I as a long time joker fan, joker and curried my two favorite non-cell text. I just like watching them play basketball. I don't think I'm going to be potentially watching him in about 10 days.

It's heartbreaking for you for many of us. I have to say though, you know, we give you a pitch a lot of benefit of the doubt when things like this happen. When the circumstances are an ideal when guys are scratched out of the lineup, he gets a lot of leeway. His inability

And I think it's fair to hold him to a different standard. Like we talk about him as one of

these stars who doesn't need ideal circumstances to be effective, who doesn't need everything to be just so to win. And yet in this series against an opponent like Minnesota, it kind of feels that way. It's tough because he can't make threes. They're not going in. Nope. And Minnesota is just doing one on one with him versus joker. And if he's not making the threes, that means he there has to beat him off the dribble, which is hard, or he has to post them up, which is really hard. And

“they're willing to live like, I think he had, he had like 23 shots pretty early in the third quarter”

of this game. Um, that's not what he, that's not how he wants to play. That's not how Denver wants to play, but they've just made the decision. Like, yeah, joker, knock yourself out, take 30 shots. If you're not making threes, you're probably going to like 12 for 30. And that's great for us. So the Gordon thing, you know, I could say I did a thing on Tuesday about it about, uh, I didn't like the way he looked and gave to it all. I didn't really know fully what the injury was, but he

clearly wasn't himself. And, you know, unfortunately, every team has their super power guy. Like, I think for the Celtics, it's white. Um, they're going to win the title. He's going to have to shoot better and play better than he is. I think for the next, it's in a noby. He going down the line. Everybody has the one guy. And I think for the nuggets, it's Gordon and without him, without Peyton Watson, I don't see a path unless there's a corresponding timber world's injury. Well, especially with Gordon,

even when he was out there, but wasn't himself, the concept of him wasn't enough to be a deterrent for a lot of the other things that the wolves might throw at you defensively versus a game like this. And, because he's such an important shooter for them. He's really the piece that elevates like the two man, uh, Murry Yokeach stuff until like a three man action that's really sophisticated and really hard to stop. Yeah. He's the connector of so much of what they try to run. And so not having

him out there. You start in the first half, like just the dropoff from going from Aaron Gordon to

“Cam Johnson Spencer Jones, Christian Brown. I think combined for two total points in the first half”

between the three of them, Minnesota can just sit in every passing lane, clog up everything that Denver's trying to run. It just, it feels like a nonstarter in a lot of ways. And I say that knowing that Yokeach is one of the games like great, like cerebral thinkers and problem solvers in a way that we would expect him to have a solution to this. And right now, which is looks like he doesn't really have many answers. Yeah. And he looked at just a whiff to feed it during this game, too.

Yeah. I've seen him. There's versions of him when he knows like, all right, guys, let's go. And maybe he'll be like that in game four. But this game, he really felt like he was trying to problem-solve. And when he can't make threes, I think it's going to be really hard. We talk too much about Denver without talking enough about Minnesota. Make Daniels. Make Daniels if CJ McCollum wasn't in the playoffs would be the breakout star of the playoffs. Yeah. Even though he's done

versions of this before, but he's been, so I didn't vote for him for either team for on the offense to you. I did not. To be honest in the regular season, I thought he was like a little more up and down than normal. Well, so were the timbrewolves. Fair. Yeah. When he's playing like this and ant, even though he's clearly not 100%, but the defense was going around, then IO, which was the best move of the trade deadline, other than maybe Kobe White. And you know, they had no point guard.

They were on the Rob Dillingham, washed up my calmly, bones, Highland roller coaster at that spot. And sometimes not even playing a point guard. They and we are still on the bones, Highland roller coaster. I want to give bones in a apology because he's just been straight up like a legit playoff performer for them. Certainly miles ahead of whatever they would have gotten from Rob

Dillingham at this stage. Yeah. The concept of bone silent was always what we're actually watching

in this Minnesota series, where it's like, and that 30 footer Michael. Oh, it did. Oh, he's talking all kinds of shit, even though he has seven points. This is kind of what his destiny was now. Of course, he left Denver because they didn't really like playing with the Joker and Murray and with that seemed like a failure of an IQ test, but maybe maybe bones found his way. Minnesota, I would call them the rope and dope, the rope and dope, Timberwolves, where I don't know what

to expect from them game to game week to week. There were three different times during this season. I'm like, here we go. I even have a 12 to one, Timberwolves title bet that I made in February. They immediately went on like a seven day losing tree. They're just all over the map.

“I don't think Chris Finch has aged. I think six years in the last two. Oh, easily. And the”

frustrating thing about Minnesota and the reason we talked about them so much during the season is they can do this. They can do what we just saw in the last couple games. They can get to this level. So why? Why is it a backs to the wall thing with them? And is it sustainable for you? I mean, everything you just describes is it's not perfectly sustainable. And even in this game,

just fouling a bunch, like doing the kinds of things that you might do to let a team like the nuggets back in the game. They were just so far ahead by that point. And I think you're spot on about your kitchen, particularly looking a little bit defeated, looking like they're just going to

“kind of punt this game and move on. Yeah. You have to believe in the wolves because of this”

high in potential, though, because they do have this in them. And I want to say in particular,

have this kind of game in them, what it wasn't like ant was amazing. It wasn't like Julius Randall's

unbelievable. It was just a collective defensive performance that was as much about, you know, leading score. I would assume new as it was Dante Divenchenzo as it was Jade McDaniels as it was really go bare like they were all tethered together in a way that's really, really tough to beat. Yeah, Denver had six points. So like two minutes left in the first quarter. Timberls weren't even shooting like that. Well, it wasn't like they were blowing it up offensively,

but the defense was just awesome. I don't really understand it. I saw them in person, play the clippers right after the trade that they were when they just got an eye out. And they looked awesome. And there was like specific stretches. Remember leaving the game like, wow, that's like watch out for that team. I might have been the dad made the bet. And then like a week later, they played the cuppers again, and they were down 30. Yeah, first half. And that was when they went

into one of their many tailspin steering thing. But it was like, what? I just saw you guys a week ago. And you seemed like you had your shit together. This got bad enough for Denver that I was wondering if they were going to go twin towers with Joker and Balanchinas. Oh, I don't know. Balanchinas feels kind of employable in this series at this point. Well, but that's that's when when we're talking about searching for answers, my mind went there for about

“20 seconds. That's what that look like. At this point, I think I'd be more comfortable”

maxing out the ziknoji minutes than I was making some more space for Balanchinas. It just doesn't feel like he has much of a spot in this matchup. No, I don't think so. I was trying to figure out any way that they could put a second big body out there to take some some pressure off the Joker. Yeah, that wasn't happening. I think like it's a little simplistic, but with this roster constructed as it is, like the only way you're going to get offensive flow is if you

occasionally Murray just play a lot better than this. And they're just going to have to do that against holacious defensive pressure that's attached to them every step of the way. It's going to be incredibly difficult if Gordon can't go. But yeah, none of these other guys like create flow for your offense. They just draft off of everything that you occasionally Murray usually create for them. And so it's not a surprise to see the entire offense going gummy when you

remove that like critical spacing and flow element in Aaron Gordon from the mix. And they

unlock the couple things. They're just going to be Murray's face the 94 feet. That's just how they're going to play. It seems like they want to run after every rebound, especially when Ios out there like they just want to go. And to keep trying to get down on the time. Oh, yeah, when Io and Dante are out there together, like both of those guys, just like by the way they play rev up everyone around them. And they're amplifying effective both of them on the floor at the same

“time is really awesome and really special. And I think maybe kind of insulates them a little bit”

from some of their more wolvesy up and down qualities. Right. Like the offense is never going to be super precise in terms of how they execute. There are always going to be a little bit vulnerable to that. Yeah. But if when you do go on the runs, you add four points to that run because Io just didn't know it came up with two steels in the process. And it's like you can weather the down spells a little bit better. Io played 31 minutes today and at a 25 and 9 was 10 for 15.

Got to the line six times. Incredible. The bulls were like, yeah, take up. Yeah, why would you

want to play like this to be a part of your future? Well, it would be the point of that, especially when you see him in person, like he's a big dude. He's not a point guard. Like he's big show. There's looks like he's about six, three, six, four can switch on anybody and it's just really impressive. So when they play, when they have him, I'd let's see the five and look at the five man lineup. But when it's McDaniels go bare Dante Edwards and then Io, that's a lineup that I feel like

could could hang in the next couple rounds. It's going to be the big question because, you know, he, it seems like he's stubbornly playing through something. But he's, yeah, possibly like going down and playing with it, looking at it. And I don't know where this is a long haul. We're in week two of a, how many weeks. So we're going here at 12. That's great. Yeah, he's not fully himself for sure. They're going to need as, as these games get a little bit more competitive than this one,

like the best of Julius Randall, a little bit more often than they might otherwise, just because of whatever ant has left at this point. Game 82 Denver has a chance to just roll over against San Antonio, gets to the foreseed and play Houston. I kind of like that they said, fuck it, or the Denver nuggets. And the other hand, probably better, better off with their play that messed up rocket theme. And it switches two series because it gave the lake or his life

talking about that in a second. But Aaron Gordon, this is his 12th year. He's played 756 games,

68 games. This is the first time I started thinking about a finish line with this nuggets run.

“Yeah, where board and who I think has just had a lot of, nothing like a catastrophic injury,”

but some mileage and some some dings and some banks on his body. And we might have seen the best version of him. We might see a 90% version of him, but sure. So you have that, you have Joker, who's been dominated in the 2020s. You have Murray with some miles on him. He had a knee surgery, like I am a little worried about the long term with this team if they can't get out of the series. Yeah, I think there are parts of Aaron Gordon's game that are going to be just fine. As he,

you know, diminishes ever so slightly from, I don't know, one of the like seven most athletic people on the planet into the like top 25 right athletic people on the planet. Like he's such a smart positional defender. He knows how to rotate. He knows how to communicate. Like he's so good at tethering in to his teammates on both sides of the ball. But they also rely on him to do super human things all the time, to guard up and down the position of the spectrum, especially to

a cross match against other bigs and really like be a bully in a bunch of different ways. And that's tough if you're coming up with calf injuries and hamstring injuries all the time. Like you had to be really explosive to the best Aaron Gordon stuff. And I don't know how long that will be a reasonable

“task. Well, we'll see. I don't want to pronounce the nuggets dead. No. Game four. I think is the series”

for them. I don't think they can win three straight with with the banged up Gordon. So if they fall down three one, even though five and seven are in Denver, that seems to tall the task. His note is too good defensively. So everything will come down in a game four. And the NBR to put their Scott Foster cards tonight. So there you go. One last thing, a little bit of a

legacy series for our guy Rudy. Oh, sure. I was looking it up. So he's made a second team on BA in

two third teams. He's been defensive player the four times first time first team all these seven career is basically 13 and 12 with two blocks. He's played 89 playoff games, two conference finals, 12 and 11, the playoffs with the declining line for Hall of Fame players in the NBA. As we've continued to make it pretty blurry with a Hall of Fame player as I actually think there's a chance he gets in. I think he's absolutely getting in. Okay. He's a four time defensive player of the year.

“It is he's getting into the heart for me. It's hard for me to wrap my head or add it. I think he's in.”

No, he's gonna happen. Now, I do think a series like this could change just the way a lot of people talk about him right in terms of the playoff liability we've seen. I think some very specific moments where he was taking it taken out of the game and like again, very, very specific circumstances. And that has been overblowned into, oh, you can't keep him on the floor.

Right. High leverage like playoff situations. That was never really the case. A lot of the teams

that he was on the faltered defensively were more about like what perimeter guys couldn't hold down their spot and Rudy being overstretched. Maybe a little bit. Yeah. But he's one of the best offensive players of his generation. If not all time, he's a winning player through and through he's helped a bunch of different like at least these two different franchises at this point. I think he's he's kind of a shoe end based on the accolades alone. So the reason I don't think

he's a shoe end, although you never know what the line these days is that there's just a lot of good players that are going to be popping in and the careers are longer. And we're going to see people with that thing better credentials. Like his dream on's another one that I actually think dream on is more realistic to get in than Rudy because of all the titles and all the finals and the playoffs stuff like that. Yeah. But just think if you go through the teams and it's like,

we'll curry clay and dream on. They're all getting in Westbrook and Durant. They're getting in Tatum and Brown. They're probably getting in like you go on down the line. It's like it's just a lot of guys. So I guess it's independent how many how many they do. But yeah, it was the first time I was watching it. I was like, wow, Rudy's really kind of cementing a Hall of Fame case. I said it nowhere. I will do quickly Raptors calves. Hmm. Probably the best game of Scotty Barnes's career.

Here's awesome. Maybe the best game of Argy and Barrett's career. They both had 33. Both had a good series to be honest. Like even though the calves overall have clearly been up and mostly down. But they have not been the problem. They've been rock solid. I would say throughout these first three. And they got a big Murray Boyle's little james and battle. He's back. It's some closing three today. It turned out it's not the series for

Brandon Inglermore. Yack of Pertle. I don't know if there's ever a series for Yack of Pertle. But it's not the series for Brandon Inglermore for some reason, which is weird to me. Because I thought he would have some good matchups. But to me, this is way more a story of the calves and all of the issues

trust the Mitchell Harden. Just the Mitchell today was just for him for somebody that was a

“first team all NBA guy on some balance and a fifth place MVP guy. It was just a no show in a game three”

that it's like just just go out there. Slip their throat. Get out of this. Get to make this a sweep and he did the opposite. It looked like he didn't give a shit. Especially like, Donovan Mitchell takes his shots in terms of his playoff performance too. But it's more about what he is in a team context and the idea that you can't just have him throw a whole team on his shoulders and Superman his way through everything once you get into the second round or whatever. Yeah. But generally speaking,

he shows up in competes. And this is a highly unusual game for him where you're right. He felt a little disconnected. He felt a little absent. I think the calves turnovers overall had a lot of them feeling a little bit out of sorts in terms of what they were supposed to be doing with that 20. Yeah. I mean, it was a lot. And Toronto to their credit like really dialed that up in a way that they needed to to kind of equalize their own turnover issues in this series. Yeah. He was bad.

Evan Mobile is just always slightly disappointing at this point. You never feel just fully satisfied.

I don't know what food item he is. We're just like a little underwhelmed every time you have it.

“Like you're excited to get it and then it's like, yeah, this is that right. I feel like you need to swing”

big. You need to be like the tan seared pan seared filaisol with the bright crumbs. And it's like, ah, I'm not really filled. Can we get pizza? The salmon. Yeah, tough tough shots on the Bill Simmons podcast this week. Just always a little slightly disappointed. But I just don't think, you know, I think Toronto is a pretty bogus five seed. You know, they're going to win one of these at home. I picked Cleveland in six and I didn't like Toronto. Yeah. I just don't. You can just rain these open three's on Cleveland.

That's how Toronto built all of a sudden they're 25 in this game. Just because they had to guys wide open all over the court just taking whatever shot they wanted. And I don't I don't think hard. And this was not like a no show James Harding game. Like he was a little on the present. But pretty strange. Cleveland's a weird team. They are weird team. I will say on like as far as as open three three's go for Toronto. They are, I mean, they have to be the streetiest three

“point shooting team in the league where they have a lot of theoretical guys who will hit in the”

way that they did today. But they will have some bottom out games that make their offense just completely implode. I thought Murray Boyle's was excellent today. He's a dog. Yeah, he's really good. I wonder if there's some lineups where they just are going to just go, they can go smaller because they had these long athletic guys and just feel okay. This is what we're going to do. Try to stop us. That game four will be the game with that series too. Hmm. You know, home team usually wins

game three when they're down to nothing. This is how the play of series goes. Game four will see. We'll see if those shots keep going in. I want to see what happens with Brandon and Grim. It's funny if you go through the player who's probably the most bummed out on each playoff team, even though we just had a win. It would have been Michael Bridges today at the backs of the next one. Yeah. It's definitely in Grimmer. It's like, all right, guys, it's good game. But be

my, he's like, with the fuck I laid nine shots. You know, I just can't with Brandon and Grimmer. I wish we had a larger body of work to point to that would say that Brandon and Grimmer when push comes to shove is like, again, quite underwhelming in the soul, man. Yeah, kind of way in these sorts of games where it's like, even when he scores, it's like, why aren't you guarding? Why aren't you boxing

out? Like, there's always something with him in a way that I agree with you is covered up nicely

by the fact that the Raptors around him acclimated themselves well. He's the onion rings. It's like, I don't even know if I don't bite onion rings. No, it's like, I don't even know if I should get these. You glad you have three. And then you're like, I don't want to keep eating these. This is just 900 calories. I'm going to feel sick. What are, and then you're having, you're like, half heartedly eating the fifth one. We have fantasy coming on later to talk about the next with us

in the playoffs in general. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about Atlanta right now. I've so many Atlanta thoughts. A joyous Rember Brown called me immediately after the game that he thinks CJ McCallum is in the running now for greatest talk of all time. Is that list? What is the greatest

talk? It's basically Dominique Wilkins and then pick anybody else after him. Unless you want to

go way back to St. Louis with Bob Pettett. What does that count? Knicks are up three. Atlanta gets a second chance, Jalen Johnson offensive rebound put back. Knicks have it. It's like 45, 50 seconds left. And the next had been money in these situations all year. Atlanta gets a stop. Offends a rebound next. Atlanta gets another stop. Time out 15 seconds left. Mike Brown goes small. CJ McCallum says, thank you. And immediately scores up miles but pride. And then Atlanta gets a

is served to win the game was the bigger thing. They're up for sure. The Knicks almost did their

ridiculous. It would have been the fourth time in the last two playoffs that they came back from

“18 and one this time they didn't win. Why in your opinion do the next consistently fall behind?”

I don't see. Now we're talking about the next way. I'll show it. Atlanta. How many teams you think are kicking themselves that they didn't go from a column anytime from November to February? At least a half dozen. And I think top of that list has to be the Houston Rockets. Yes. This was one that we flagged on group chat early in the season as far as like what should they do post for advanced lead's injury? See does just been sitting there on the shelf waiting

for someone to trade for him. And I think a lot of teams overthought it. And he couldn't be this for just anybody. Like you need the right supporting cast. You need the guards who can compensate for him defensively. You need the movement to work around the fact that he's not like the most natural playmaker in the floor in the world. But he gives them and this group like exactly the kind of squarely one-on-one game that they need. Yeah. So it's turned out to be a perfect marriage,

but it couldn't be a perfect marriage for a lot of teams. He would have really, really, really helped Houston. The thing with them is he's not a conventional point guard, but he's really comfortable with the ball, which is I to me like doesn't really make him any different than somebody like down of a Mitchell. Right. They're guards who can bring the ball up. They're not point guards. They're scoring guards. Yes. But they can kind of run an offense and they can handle

“the ball and you can't press them. I was looking at his career. First of all, he's 34. So I think”

if he's the leap guy, I tweeted this. If he's the make-in-the-leap guy in the playoffs, I think it could be the oldest guy ever. So usually we have that one guy where like, whoa, this guy and there's like three days of stories about him. He in 69 playoff games is a career average of 20 points

a game. And this includes his first year. He scored 0.7 points a game for six playoff games

when he barely played in 2019 when they made the conference finals and lost the Warriors. He played 19 playoff games. And it was 24.7 points a game. 44.3973 made 33's a game. And in his career, he's basically been between 18 and 25 games since 2016. Yeah. It's really weird to be that none of these contending teams. And I kind of wish I had better bigger deal or my pot. I didn't think of it because he was seem so buried in Washington. It just seemed like he was going to get bought out and

join somebody. But it's weird to me that some of these teams that could have needed him. I think the

“Lakers are another one that could have even though they ended up with Kronar. And I think that”

worked out. But you go through the league. And I don't know. I mean, this guy's a professional score. And he hasn't really lost the step. Especially if you have any solid playmaking from two to four in your starting line, up like a Jalen Johnson type player is. Yeah. Then yeah, why wouldn't you invest in a guy who isn't running your offense sure, but can connect enough players and attract enough attention to really get things going? I really do think a lot of teams overthought it. I think

we're seeing now where like, I want to be very clear that this is not like a vintage C shape of column performance. You're right that this is a leap, right? This is a dramatic shift. Not just in how he's performing. And then like the moments that he's stepping up into. But he has a usage right now in the playoffs. It's like above and and Donovan Mitchell. And these other guys were talking about he is he's dominating an offense. Whereas before he was scoring in one. And it turns out he

can do that on a team like this. At least in this sort of series where he has these sorts of matchups. And this is what is so mystifying about that final score. Like the the go ahead bucket against Doosmic Bride. He had been killing every Doosmic Bride's size defender that the next put in front of him all game. He gave Doos the two small after he busted his ass on like a first quarter second quarter possession. And Josh Hart had done a little bit better a little bit of size has

gone a long way in kind of containing CJ over the course of the game. And yet on a critical defensive

possession, you're just going to garden with Doosmic Bride. Like why would you do that? Dumb founding. I actually did research on this during the game. When you throw in CJ who they're obviously good to recite now. Maybe at a lesser deal, but they have a lot of calf space. So the second greatest talk of all time. Back. It's him and Bob Pettett. Do you ready to be? And they have Jalen Johnson Daniels. They have Valves and a walk on their contract.

The Congo who is terrific tonight. Don't he's really good? I'm sure they're going to bring back Kaminga. That's another one on a Congo that's the final defensive position where Jalen Brunson could have theoretically won it. Yeah. I think attention is going to be drawn in a lot of different ways. Maybe we'll just gloss over it or Jalen Brunson will get blamed for not scoring in that situation or whatever. If you watch in Yeka Congo because Dyson Daniels is guarding Brunson,

he gets hung up on I think was probably like a moving cat screen to be honest with you. Yeah.

basically saves the game which is a situational awareness and a Congo is having a great series.

“This was an awesome game for me. Yeah. I agree. I'm a mild stockholder. I don't have a huge”

position but I have but some a congress stock over the years. Kaminga, which listen, I don't think there's a lot of teams he makes sense for but he makes sense on this team. It's like seeing somebody like crime 101 and you know just seeing a couple of the actors that moving. But like all right for this movie that's fine. Halle Berry. Great. But they have this New Orleans pick too. Yeah. And they actually it's the better of that picker Milwaukee. So they have a couple of chances again the

top four. So I asked Rembert like is this the best time to be a Hawks fan since 1988 which was the year that Dominix Peak, Doc Rivers, Antoine Carr, Cliff Lemmingston,

to take the Celtics to seven. Dominique and Bird have the amazing dual Dominix one of the best

parts of the league. And since then the only other peaks for them. They I mean they were pretty good and that they had a couple of 90s where they had like 50 win teams that were shown. They had that 2015 season with Horford and how those dudes the joint players of the week and Mike Bootenholzer. Did they win 60 that year? They won 60. They got swept in the Eastern Finals. And then 21, they made the Eastern Finals. They had that weird six or series win when Ben Simmons's career ended

to try young made a couple play. And they made the Eastern Finals. Nobody really took them seriously.

“But I think the combo of them playing well. But the fact that they actually have a foundation”

did the best foundation. I think they've had in a long time. I honestly think since since the 80s 'cause when you throw in that New Orleans pick and how good this draft is, this is just going to be a really good team for a while. I suspect so. But we also said the same thing after that 2021 run. Like it's because it was tray. It was the Andre Hunter. It was Kevin Aherter. It was like a lot of guys who were on the come up who now with the benefit of Wednesday. We know didn't really pay back.

We got fooled by tray and a little bit. Well we just got fooled by the sixers and Ben Simmons. And yeah, you look back and that was definitely one of those. They will go pulled over our eyes series. Oh yeah. But this is this is not filled that way. Now now this feels like a, I know what they are. I think they have a real identity. I think in the draft they can really add somebody who could be special. And if they bring Kominga and CJ back at reasonable deals like there's something here.

All right. So that's the positive version of the Atlanta Nick series. We're going to take a break. And then we're going to shine a fantasy for the for the Nick's heart attack section of this. All right. I was thinking about this guy today. There was a moment on the double TVs. Where the jets were on the clock at 16 right as the next we're trying to close out the hawks with 22nds left. And I was because Sean was supposed to come on today. And I was like, that's possible. Sean might

have an aneurysm right now. Do you forgot about one thing? What did I forget? While that was happening, the meds were winning 7 to 3. And they've been in the midst of this terrible tail spin. And the bases were loaded. And they pulled the starting or they pulled the picture and they brought in a reliever to pitch to the bases loaded. So the bases were loaded in a 7-3 game in the eighth inning. The nicks were down by 1.7 seconds to go. And the jets pick

came in. This happened simultaneously. Unbelievable. Sports at the best. Today was just incredible.

With this sports. I was happening. But do you know what happened? Do you guys know what? I mean, will you took a tight end? Even though you took a tight end at number 42 last year.

“And that was by far the best thing that had happened in that moment because the meds gave up a grand”

slam to tie the game and blow the lead. And the nicks lost when their best player fumbled the ball into the back court in the final 7 seconds. So that was one of the more convulsive 35 seconds in sports Rudy history for me that I can remember. I do feel like this pod is bills euphoria and Sean is the city swinging this floor. But like you brought him in just to cry. I think it's a little gratuitous to be honest. I think it's a bit of gratuitous to be honest. I think it's a bit of gratuitous to be honest.

Make it like a catcher. Now we agreed today winner lose. And I genuinely thought the nicks were going to win today. Yeah. I thought it had all the classic. Whatever. But yeah. All right. So where do you want to start Sean? You're down 21 in the series. You have the Celtics waiting in round two, hopefully. Maybe not. The baby of B comes back who knows. I do. We'll see about that. We will see about that. Cleveland looked at Cock Arbor instead in Toronto. The east, the seas have parted

for the nicks and the east. And then you're down 21 somehow. Yeah. I don't feel good about the series. And then I don't feel good about the team. And I haven't for roughly the last two and a half months of the season. And if you watched them play the Hawks in March, a game that they won. But they

an answer for him. And so yeah. I'm I'm already kind of spinning my wheels on. I guess they're

going to have to blow this up. And they've also probably made a mistake with my brown. But on the

“catastrophe. So you know, maybe maybe things will be fine. It's foolish. I think to lose faith”

in Jalen Bronson. He has proven that he is worthy of a little bit more faith than when I'm usually willing to grant. But this is two games in a row where this game is sort of maybe you guys talked about this. But this game is sort of the inverse where they were in control for most of the game too. And then they really spit the bit in the fourth quarter. And then they played so terribly well in the fourth quarter of this game. And OGN and Obi has my heart forever. I love them so much.

And they just kind of lost it in the final moments. Yeah. I thought the defense of the line in the final possession against the Hawks was super weird going so small. And then they gave up an eight footer because they went so small. And then Bronson just lost the ball. I thought the Hawks double teaming him there and just kind of moving away from heart. Why heart was even on the floor offensively in that final possession is something you can debate. And I didn't think was smart.

So yeah. I don't know. Felix shit. It was Felix shit about sports. You know,

when was was to do that? It's three first drivers today. That was cool. Yeah, I'm actually kind of

into that. We can talk about that if you want. Rob, do you have the Catastrophist on 4K Blu-ray? I tell you in film. Ninety-six. Four. Special features are unbelievable. Honestly. Great trick for Fox footage. We can we talk about Macau Bridges and this becoming one of the weirdest stories in the NBA. I think we have to talk about Macau Bridges. He had zero points in the second half of game two. And he had zero points in game three. It's zero. And was basically

benched for the entire fourth quarter for McBride. And it's not like McBride was shutting anybody down. Rob, what has happened to Macau Bridges? I would say that this was a weird occurrence. If it hadn't been happening for like a month straight now on and off. He's had so many of these

“games where you have to work really hard to have less of an impact on the flow of basketball”

than Macau Bridges in this game. Like completely transparent. He hasn't always been the defender.

He's been hyped up to be for the next. But this was a especially glaring case of that. I thought Duce was like easily outplaying. Like it really was a easy call to trade out some of those minutes. But they need something like just desperately literally any sign of life from that spot. I would have thought he was, I thought him in OG would have been so important in the series against the Hawks Wings. That's the weirdest thing. Like there was a series for him. This would be one of

the series I would think. But OG lived up. And I would say Josh Hart lived up. Right? How much of the next play in this game resorted to? Flounder your way through a possession and then get bailed out at the last possible moment. But either OG or Josh Hart or I guess like a desperate Duce McBride 3. Like those were the only options? Yeah. OG had to absolutely ludicrous shot buzzer. Shotcock buzzer saving heaves that went in. That I think it'd be there than don't go in.

We're probably not even in the final minute in a close game. Like you really call like a swung momentum. I think fans would probably feel like the next or even more out of this series than it feels like right now. Because this is a game that like maybe kind of got away from them. But they were getting beat pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. 18 at one point. So it's one of those things where it's usually one of the wings that comes up short when they don't perform well. And sometimes

it's Hart and sometimes it's OG. And more recently, especially this season, it seems like McKal is just still not been able to figure out what his role is, how he makes sense. He just kind of stands in the corner a lot of the time and waits for someone to maybe pass him the ball. And I think fans feel like this was an ill-conceived trade from the moment it happened. And now that we're multi-years into it and he's already been given a new contract. I mean, he's making a lot of money to be scoring

zero points as six straight quarters in the playoffs. Yeah. Just it's kind of depressing. It's kind of how I feel about them locking down Miami, Vice-1985. But with Austin Butler as Sunny Crackett. It's like they just kind of shot. They had a great idea and just shot their wide without really thinking about it. Has it been confirmed that he's playing sunny and not tubs? Because I think the move is to race swap is to to make M. D. J. Sunny. Wow. My god. What do you

think? I that broke my brain. Unbelievable. I mean, envy J has Sunny. That makes way more sense.

“So why not do it? That's a great idea. Wow. That's why you've launched a new newsletter”

this week about movies because you have great ideas. I love movies. You love to really love those movies. So bridges is is this salvageable? What is what is this? I think the problem

has felt like they're one bad day away all season from never speaking to each other ever again.

And maybe that is a little bit of projection on our part. Maybe that's a little body language doctoring here and there. But I don't know. They just don't feel connected in terms of the way that they play and you can tell that when they really do run into walls, guys like bridges feel

“completely iced out. They don't know how to contribute. It's Sean. I think you absolutely nailed it”

that he just kind of like idling off to the side as they try to figure out some problem. Like try to try to figure out some solution to everything else that ale's them. And it's just he's not really a participant at all. I'll tell you the body language doctor. My front desk was multiple calls today during the game, multiple texts wondering if I was noticing what was happening. The only person who seemed remotely happy to be there was Jose Alvarado who was like,

guys, I'll buy in. I'll be the cheerleader bench guy and try to give everybody some good energy. They would cut to the next bench after big plays. And you could just kind of tell what it seems not that connected. My bigger thing is if you go Nick by Nick, who feels like they're totally happy with how everything's going. It's probably just brunch in an OG would be the maybe miles with pride. I don't know what do you think, Sean? Even OG at times, you can kind of see him being like,

shouldn't it be my team? I feel that from him at times, or he's feeling there was a moment in the fourth quarter where Brunson brought the ball up and was doubled in OG set a high screen and Brunson went past the screen and it didn't seem like he was going to pass the ball when the double came back to him. And then he did pass it to OG and OG went to the basket and he got fouled. And I watched OG go back to Brunson and almost say to him like more of that. Like you could have

“me the ball back. And I think that's really interesting, just because he's he's obviously,”

he's a number one. It's not a very good team. But he's a really interesting number two and on this team he's number three. And the name that we haven't said is Carl Anthony Towns who is like the enigma of enigmas. And I thought was like at times brilliant defensively in this game. We didn't get defensively. Yes, and impossible to figure out offensively. I just don't know what to expect from him. And so you know, I don't know I don't know what you do with Brunson. You can't take

heart off the team because he's the heart and soul of it and he's Brunson's boy. But also there are times when he's on the floor and you're like, this isn't really a rotation player and a functioning offense. And so they're just a series of awkwardly fitting parts and have been that for two and a half years. And yet this is the best next team since like 1998. All right. So it's so weird. It's just a weird situation. Well, and then also it's a team that if you played Boston in a series, you would have a ton of

confidence as dysfunctional as the mix of bed. And heart was the best guy in the team in game two

and was pretty indispensable today. But I agree with you. It never adds up. What is your

Josh Hardtake money just in general? I have a hard time like talking myself and him holistically for exactly this reason. It's like when he's great, everything he does is super loud and incredibly impressive. And it feels completely indispensable. And then when he's anything less than great, like his flaws really drag an offense and completely devolve its flow. And I think all of these things are connected, right? When Jalen Brunson gets a little bit ball hockey, some of it's because maybe a defense isn't

guarding Josh Hardt very much. And he's having to overdribble to get where he wants to go. Car out of any towns being yes, really good defensively in a game like this. But maybe the most complicated star in the entire league, if you just wanted to crank up how much he gets the ball,

“like he'll just commit four offensive fouls or he'll have pain as turnover. So it's like you have to”

work around all of these different things hard included to make the mix go. And sometimes you just run into walls all game long, like they seem to in this one. Sean, do you like this next game? I mean, I love Jalen Brunson, you know, like I just, I think he's really special. And I want him to be great. I want him to be a forever nick. And I want him to reach the place that I think he deserves to be. And I didn't really get the cat trade and I didn't get the bridges trade. And

it has kind of worked. And so far as they just win 50 games every year now, which, you know, as recently as five years ago, seemed impossible. So I can't, it's not like I dislike them. I really like

them. And yet, like I told you the other night, like I wasn't like I have to see every single second

of this game because I feel like every game is kind of the same. Yeah. And even in the playoffs, they're down 10. They rally back. Yeah. And so that's a different relationship to the team that I had even a few years ago before the cat bridges era when Tibs was trying to grind, you know, Derek Rose can turn him into 2014 Derek. Right. So I don't know if I love them. I really,

And if they had just allowed to put harder. Yeah. You know, so I'm really torn. I still think there's a good chance that they win this series even though they're down 21. Yes. And I agree with what

“you said, Bill, I think against Boston. We've seen it once before. And we match up well with the wings”

and a couple of really bad three-point shooting games from the Celtics. And we could be back in Eastern Conference Finals and anything can happen after that. But tonight's sucked. Yeah. So we're at basketball. Thank you. Because I think Minnesota has it against Denver too. And the next habit to get to Celtics, these certain matchups where you can tell the teams like, we really like play in this team. This is just a good one for us. You know, and this will happen in football the time

where the right football team plays the right football team. And they're just, they're feeling good all the time. I, uh, I think there's a crazy what if with this next team that probably does get discussed enough. And I'm not just saying this. So Sean dips his head in the vet of acid. Are you sure you're not? The halibut and shot, I really think is a sliding doors for this mix era because I, I just think they probably win that series. I think that was such a bizarre

basketball event. That's the weirdest collapse. And that shot going up 30 feet and coming down and going in. And then the next almost winning, you know, just that whole game. I just feel like if we play that game 30 times the next probably win 29 of them. And, um, and maybe they make the finals last year instead of the Pacers. And then this is, you're just thinking about this and talking about it completely differently. I was like, well, we were in the finals last year. Like there's

some sort of validation of what happened. But that halibut and shot in that game in general just flipped it. So now like if you lose to the hawks and run one, this all feels like a complete failure. But if that shot misses, it's not, it's a weird point. But I do think it's a point. Well, so how much does it, how different is it, for example, from when the first subway, the subway series went the meds play the Yankees and they just got dominated. And they made it to the world series

and like this is great, but they got kind of embarrassed on a big on the big stage. And likewise, when the next one's the finals and face the spurs, and they just kind of got bullied and they shouldn't have been there. Thanks for that. Bring it up to the Patriots against the T-hawks and appreciate that.

“Yeah. What do you guys draft a tackle? Why would you need a tackle?”

I thought you had a lot. I did. I did. I watched the whole Super Bowl. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Yeah. I think it would be one of those things where if that next team last year had gone to the finals, they would have just gotten their doors kicked in by OKC and we would have been like,

all right, cool. They made it to the finals. But they were, they never really, like,

materially had a chance to win. The same way that I think this season, no one's like, well, the next do have a chance to win. Like, then they don't have a chance to win the finals. They're not going to beat whoever's in the Western Conference. So it's just a little bit hard to feel like that game in particular radically changed the fortunes in the future of the franchise. That's fair. But it doesn't mean that that series was not any less painful. And the one thing

that I, on all my next chains this today, a lot of like, this is the pastures all over again, pastures all over again. Oh, we're like bad matchup. We don't have an answer for this particular player. And a couple of things are not going our way. A lot of sloppiness, the head coach seems to have misunderstood the assignment in this matchup. Like, a lot of similar kinds of vibes. And this is the first round and not the second round. But you know what, they were in this position last year with

the distance and they prevailed. So we'll see what happens. We'll even down to the second half of the Hawks season being such a resurgent thing, just like the Pacers were like, I think a lot, a lot of opponents are still trying to get a feel for what exactly the Hawks are. I don't blame the nicks for being caught a little bit off guard. I wasn't expecting CJ McCallum to turn into Jesus Christ, but he just has. And now he could do no wrong. And this is the head we live in.

“Shawn, we stick around for a couple other small basketball conversations. I will, but you must be”

feeling great as a long time CJ guy. I know CJ was on your boys back in the day, though.

I always really liked them. I really thought that Houston, it's just so funny that Houston didn't

get them and needs him. So desperately, it's like your series and they just have to be like, what the hell? Can we talk about okay, say? Absolutely. I really feel like, and it's internet driven and social media does mean everything. But I just, in discourse, I have with people in my life, like everybody's just like fuck this. Like, they're just tired of the style. And in some of it's not fair, but it's really risen to villain level. And I was wondering,

they flop and they found out enough that do we just give them the nickname Oklahoma City FC? Because they're like a soccer team. That we're for you guys. You can have to walk your way there. I think we need something a little more straightforward. If we had a Premier League team in the NBA, would be Oklahoma City? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's sort of athletic Othunders? I'd put a workshop, some sort of soccer thing with them. But Rob, how fair is the hatred of the

tricks that okay see polls? Because the bottom line is it works. And that's the whole point of,

quite earned. Like, Shay does exaggerate a lot of contact. I think that what frustrates a lot of people is just the different thresholds, right? Of, you can't touch Shay, but they're allowed to just swarm and hack defensively and be ultra aggressive. To me, that feels consistent with everything we've ever seen in modern NBA history, which is, once you get a reputation for being good at something, the rest will mostly just assume that you're doing that great thing again. Like, if you look at

the players who get away with the most travels, it's all the guys with amazing footwork. Because you

“just think, oh, they pulled it off. Oh, they kept their pivot. I think the thunder came by a lot of”

this stuff, honestly, in terms of how physically they played defensively. But they do get an incredible benefit of the doubt. And then some of it's just not really their fault. Like, it's not their fault that Devin Booker got called for one of the worst technical files I've ever seen in an NBA game. Like, that's not really a thunder issue. So, which is, it's like thunder adjacent. Shayna, I know you have a take and you've been known to just directly hate random things.

I'm imagining a thunder Celtic spinals and just what it's speaking of catastrophes. I mean, that would be a global catastrophe. And like, very complicated NBA season, I will say, in the perception of the league, who's excited for that bill? Who's pumped, or besides you, obviously? Like, who's, who's like, thunder Celtics? I'd love to watch that for seven consecutive games. I think the spurs getting to the finals would be the win for the league. I agree.

I'll be interested to see, I mean, obviously, the lakers getting in would be their wet dream. But

“I think the spurs making it all the way would be what they would want. It would be my guess.”

Spurs, anyone would be the ideal finals. Sure. Joker going for a second one would be more fun than,

okay, so you're trying to go back to back. And the Celtics thing, look, if you don't love sports movies and Jason Tatum coming back from his darkest hour, rising from the ashes and coming back, then I don't know what to tell you. You don't like sports movies. You didn't like Christy with Sidney Sweeney. I could have been better. I think that movie, just like I think the finals could be better if it were, I don't know, Detroit San Antonio. That would be interesting,

right? Nick San Antonio would be magic. I feel like y'all are selling the thunder a little bit short as an entertainment product. I get that they are despised because of some of their tactics. But like, their defense is very fun to watch in a like watching a cheetah chased down a gazelle in the open range kind of way. Like, I do like the state of nature that they create. I like watching the thunder as well. I hate the fast stuff, but they're not the only team

“that does it. But I feel the same way, Rob. I think they're actually the problem with them,”

is they're up 20 in the second quarter of a lot of these games. Yes, all right. That sucks. Don't you think it would become a pretty significant national talking point, though, if somehow miraculously, then Nick's got to the finals and face the thunder and then two chief foul bators in the league. We're toe to toe. I mean, how many pods could you do about that particular issue? Because, you know, fronts and God love him. He has his ways, right?

He does. The people who don't watch the NBA regularly, who just tune in for the finals, with think their broadcast is like flickering, buffering with all the pump fake jab steps, like pivot through the jail and fronts in the chair trying to do. Lakers, rockets, rockets are down O2, Austin Reeves coming back. Unbelievable. I think this is one of the most bizarre series that we 've had in a while. The rockets are down O2 to a team that basically just ran a mock for the first

half yesterday with Luke Canard, a bark of smart and 41-year-old, the Bronn, and then held on for dear life in the second half. And I, what's the Sean, what just says somebody that just flicks this stuff on? What's more fun for you, the demise of the rockets or 41-year-old, the Bronn carrying the Lakers without Luke up? You know, Katie reminds me of recently as Kanye West,

those are two guys and like 2012. I was like, these guys are never going to lose. These guys are

unbelievable. They're so naturally gifted. They're on their own. A collision course with destiny and they will be great forever. And now is it Owen's seven in his last seven playoff games, Kevin Durantes, and obviously not healthy and getting his ass kicked by the B team from Los Angeles? Yeah. Just weird. And you know, Kanye, we can, let's not talk about that. So yeah, I think it's unfortunate. I loved watching Kevin Durant play. He broke my heart when he didn't come to New York

and these are just desserts. 37 years old, he was in the 2007 draft and probably shouldn't be the guy that's handling the ball for 37 minutes again in a playoffs. What do you think E-Man's biggest mistake was? Because he's taken a pretty big beating rap. It's a pretty big list. Yeah. I would say spending the last several months not preparing the team to like function whatsoever on offense.

months ago, it'd be like, why don't they know how to play out of a double team for Kevin Durant?

And here it is all coming home to Roost when he's the only guy who can actually handle the ball. So if you wanted Reed Shepherd to be a bigger part of your team and you need him to be a bigger

“part of your team, maybe you should have invested more in his actual on-core development”

at the incremental stages of the season. It's like there's all these like a long game visions of who the rockets could have been and it all got traded out for like I'm able to hook a puffing out his chest and wanting to play like grinders every night of the regular season. I just think the rockets are so much worse for it. Yeah, I agree. That's why you have the 82 game seasons way too long. But one of the benefits is you can keep throwing Reed Shepherd out there and trying to get

him a experience for a series like this. Yeah. The Luke can art things pretty interesting

though because I think it's somebody we've always, I think all of us have liked and have seen the

ceiling for and it just never happened and he would just bounce around from team to team and then somehow JJ Reddick has a mocked him and I think JJ has been one of the stars of the playoffs. Agreed. Like beating the rockets, two games are a row without your two best guys is nuts. Not that's surprising. The JJ knows what to do with Luke can art. I mean, that's not what we're going to do. It's not what we're going to do. I don't know, as watching them in game two

as ugly as it is, they still have bad shooters. You know, they, they, I at least understood what they were doing. It wasn't always going to be successful, but there was a plan in place where it's like you watch the rockets or like I don't understand anything that you guys are doing. When Fred, Ben, Fleet went down, do you think they should have tried to trade for CJ then

“in the off season? Yeah, that was, that was the name that got mentioned. I think part of the”

problem was, Ben, Fleet would have had to be in the trade, right? Yeah, and that kind of salary. Well, I think there probably would have been other constructions, but it would have cost you maybe Atari, Eastern, Dorian, Fini Smith who they thought was going to be important part of their team. Like maybe some guys like that. Well, CJ made, I think 30, 30 something and Ben, believe it was at 25. So they could have tried to, and they had all these extra picks. Like it would have

been pretty easy. I didn't understand why they didn't get anybody. Like why don't they have disobeyment? It's not like they don't have picks. Great question. They had a bunch of things they could have given up. But it's almost like they didn't think they were going to really be competitive or they were saving themselves for next year or, I don't know, they understand it. But you have Kevin Durant at his age. Like this, again, this is the year. Like you're supposed to be pushing

forward. He's a member of your team. And not just accepting that we got a bad break. Let's let Fred rehab and we're going to see where we are next year. Like Kevin Durant might not be a borderline 50, 40, 90 guy on this kind of production next year. Like it's some point the bottom will

“fall out. How would you rate the playoffs so far, Rob? I think quite good for the first round.”

Yeah, B plus A minus zone. Like I think if if this nuggets wolves game tonight had really kicked off, then maybe we'd be heading into a pretty special area. But the Lakers rockets being like a complete flip on what I thought it would be a lot of split series that are hotly contested. I mean, we got two one point games in terms of the hawks nicks alone. Sorry, Sean. But like there's just a lot on the board here that's exciting and surprising. And then you have your CJ McCollum

level stories that are just kind of catching us all off guard. This is kind of what we want. The streaming things been a little weird. I don't like it. It's just weird to not be able to flip channels around. But man, I know this is going to be what the future is about this stuff. But tonight because I had three specific sporting events that I was paying close attention to, I had a TV on a laptop open and my phone going with all three. And I don't know if I've ever

done that before we don't all multi-view quadbox like you bill. And it was honestly extremely confusing to my little daughter. She was like, which one of these am I supposed to be paying attention to? And I was like none of them. Please don't be close to be right now. This is dangerous. Please leave. Robert, you excited for Sean's new newsletter? We talked about movies. Can I get a comp subscription

about the pay for this thing? What's going on? The answer is yes. Okay, then I'm very excited about it.

Sean, I paid right away because I'm wealthy and because I wanted you to have my money for it. Thanks Bill. I didn't ask you for a comp. As you know, I'm also doing this with Spotify. So I'm not totally sure how that financial arrangement works, but I just wanted to throw my money into the ring. Thank you so much. It was great to get it. You did like four thousand words today. You're thinking, I still work. I was jealous. I did. I made have got a little over the top in the first piece.

But yeah, it's it's really fun. Rob is you know and Bill is you used to know and we're going to get you out of retirement and getting doing a newsletter at some point. It's just very well. Yeah, we will. I will. It's rewarding to write. It's like it's a different kind of rewarding than doing a show and I'm enjoying it so far. It is hard. It is actually hard to sit down and focus for

been writing about movies. So I'm excited to be doing it. I am legitimately blown away by how cool and nice people are about this and I'm excited to do more. Next one will be four thousand words,

“but I don't know. What do you want to see me write about? What movies are you interested in, Bill?”

I like first of all, I might want to have a paragraph every once in a while. I don't know if I told

you about these lifetime movies I've been watching on Netflix. Yeah, I did, I did tell you about those. Guess what by my husband? Guess what by my husband? Nobody dumps my daughter. What I saw this week? Netflix is finally figured out. Lifetime in Netflix are the marriage everybody needs Rob. Just have a really good title and somebody with a slightly sinister face in the thumbnail and people are going to click on it. Two of the top 10 right now. The other one was

husband, father, killer. There was another good one, but this is the kind of stuff I want to watch late at night when I'm falling asleep. I can't watch Babylon at 1130 at night, Sean. First of all, yes, you can. You absolutely can do that. I go on the regular. I don't want to fall through the Babylon. Somebody out there is staring at a spreadsheet of your

“browsing algorithmic information being like, yeah, we got him again. Guess what by my husband?”

You got a man who can't. You're the top 10 you're in the top 10. Is there not a 10 episode string of recaps of nobody dumps my daughter on the prestigious TV podcast? Rob, did I just thought it's actually coming in June? You know, we really wanted to save it for the media's part of the calendar. Really, really bring people in and be one of our tent poles. I mean, this is what the people want. I used to be more involved with the planning and ideation of

prestige TV and then I let Joanne and Rob kind of sent them on their raft and push them in the ocean. And it's worked out 95% of the time, but then occasionally there will be the three episodes on beef. Well, I'm like, we probably could have wrapped this up in 40 minutes. I don't know if you said,

did you finish beef Rob? I did. That's the first to each product. You're telling me an

Oscar Isaac, Carrey Mulligan. Yeah, I think we could have looked like a melton show. We could have ripped through it. Oh, no, absolutely not. I can't say I can't say I've finished beef. There's got to be one of those, they have those ratings at the end where it stumps up thumbs down. I wish they were like more options. Would like this kept my interest for a few hours. But ultimately, I had up not sure it was worth my time. Yeah, check out halfway through episode three. That's me on most of these. I hung on as

long as I could. Yeah, the one that we're not covering our prestige that I've a machine to admit I'm enjoying is imperfect women. Oh, the apple series. Yeah. You know what the show is. What is that? Let's go. Well, it's about it. It's actors, apples, strategies. It's actors are actresses that you've heard of and liked, but probably haven't really resonated with them in about

four years. And now they're in a show where somebody dies in the first three minutes. Yeah.

And then we go backwards to try to figure out who did it. So in this one, it's Carrey Washington, Elizabeth Moss and Kate Mara. Long time, long time, Grant Land Ringer all star. Like we're to go bare like you go back and you look at her basketball reference and I'm like, wow, she was a Grant Land all star for straight years. We love Kate. Early 2010s. So it's the three of them and there's a murder mystery and you just kind of turn your brain off and go.

“Which I think is its own. That's not prestige TV. That's like another type of TV.”

But beef was like a little too much work for me. There was a little too much going on. So too much work. Yeah. And it wasn't good enough for all the work was where I landed. Bill actually wanted to pitch you on a show for Apple that is based on some of the IP we have here at the Ringer. It's most mysterious podcasters. Oh, three actors that look a lot like you and Rob and Chris Ryan. And you know, we can talk about who those actors should be based on your

comps. But it's the three of you guys in the tile image huddled around a single microphone. And like you're one of you was like nudging the other out of the way and fighting for space. And it's like a dromity. You know, it's not a droma or laughs in it. But also there's like a real mystery at the center. Yeah. One of you killed one of your former podcast partners. And we have to figure out who did it. It's well Greenwald dies. He's in the first name he's dead. And then it turns that at the end

Chris wanted to watch for himself. But nobody realized that after seven episodes. Yeah, mysterious podcasters coming soon to Apple TV+. I really like that. It feels like a written by Jason Seagull production. I feel like he could nail the tone of exactly what we're talking about. Jason Seagull are about the same height. Yeah, I'm saying. I'm not opposed to it. Let's let's get Jason on the phone. He used the ball as well. The key with these shows is the thumbnail

in the title does 97% of the work. You really have to nail both. Like beef is great. It's four letters. And you could just put some sort of crazy thumbnail in your ready to roll. But I mean,

Yeah, I did two straight seasons in about five days. And now I just have a hold in my heart.

“It's gone. Well, they can fix that. You're just going to roll into the ER. They'll look at you fixed.”

I'm just waiting for Dr. Robbie just to figure out what happened with him. But it's it's so funny that they just unlock the strategy of, hey, it's going to be a doctor series. Like everything else, except it's going to be every hour. And it's going to be grosser than a network show. My biggest challenge with the pit is I did really enjoy when TV shows had 22 episodes in the season. And it felt like we were spending a lot of time with these characters

and building a relationship with them. I like you Bill as a huge ER fan watched every episode of

the first like six or seven seasons. At this stage of my life, when they're like, yeah, there's

going to be 18 episodes in the season. I'm like, I know. I am like, I won't be there. Yeah, like good luck. Sounds like you guys have got an Emmy winning product. Happy for no whiley. But I just can't find the time. I'm so good. Look at all these blue race. You know what? You say this, but when it comes time to do the Transformers Hall of Fame, you're like, yeah, let me just mainline these real plans. Yeah, I don't even have to prepare for that. We can do it right here. Yeah, the irony

of you saying that when it's you're doing like a 1978 Hall of Fame draft or movie, movie draft. And then you watch 20 movies from 1978 in the span of three days, but that doesn't have time for Dr. Robbie. But that's like saying to an architect, why spend all those all that time

drawn those blueprints? You know, like this is, this is the raw materials. These are the,

this is these are the brain gems that are necessary to make that draft or that whole of thing. You know, the paid is like, that's something you do in your free time and 18 of them. No, I'm good.

“You're missing a nurse Dana, though. Who's your one of your favorite characters about time?”

Who's who, who, what's her story? No, she's just the one that that sucks everyone and who jumps in on the pit after one episode. They're like, I love Dana. I don't know. What is it about Dana Raid? Can't even describe her. Just a gruff real talk in, you know, nurse running the place. Oh, it's burning in charge that appeals to a lot of people. Pittsburgh accent goes out, has has cigarettes outside the front door, the hospital, just dart after dart after.

Yeah, just smoke at the worst CR speed in mind. Oh, it is not just CR speed. It is, it's CR's at fifth gear. See, CR's at a deaf one course, flying around. CR and I simultaneously were watching season one of Miami vise and he kind of floated. Why wouldn't we just recap season one of Miami vise and we decided that with the all-time one for us? I don't think America wants it. I don't think we could sponsor for it. I don't know what feed we'd go on, but we did talk about it.

If you would see the news peg of the new movie. Oh, I was going to say, if you want me to host it on the newsletter, then that's an option. How's it going to get everybody prepped for Miami vise at event? There's video capabilities, you know. On the newsletter? Yeah, sure. We do like little 10 minute episodes. Yeah, I mean, I'm not planning to do that, because I'm already, this is my fourth podcast of today, but I really, this is a bad coincidence. Fourth podcast. Yeah, I'm going to

even get a newsletter. I never do that, but I'm promoting news that are also the meds are on fire,

so I had to talk to Zach earlier this morning. The newsletter is called projections. You're also going to be on not the upcoming rewatchables because we do Ghostbusters, but you're on the one after. The next one, I would pump about it. Yeah, I'm really good. Well, I won't say what it is yet, but we're doing a bunch of comedies next month, Rob. Rob's come on the rewatchable twice and had two of the hottest takes. They're very normal takes.

He said Russell Crowe and nice guy's dog walked gladiator for the Oscar, you know, was the last one. No, I said Joaquin dog walked Russell Crowe. Oh, that's right. That's, it's a very important distinction. Sorry. I screwed that up. Yeah. I, I'm very familiar with the Nirvana take. I believe that

“you should be sentenced to prison and I'm just on the rest of your life there for that take,”

but it was, it was really good podcasting. Thank you. I appreciate it. As long as it's white collar, as long as I can play a little pickup basketball, have a nice cafeteria lunch. No, so I'm not opposed to some prison time. No, you're going under the prison in the Gulag, and you'll be tortured every day, but at least I'll be my authentic self, unlike all of the members of the Grunge movement. That's, wow. Yeah, I have really how dare you and sorry and wipe

that smirk off your face right now. Well, I'm going to get violent here. I blew it. Sean and Chris and Niasi, I was saying how the poll replacements now retroactively being on the same level as RIM is one of the things that infuriates me the most about about what's happened with music in the

to know is I was right. Well, no, that, Rob, how are you going to follow that up, though? Like,

“now every time you're on the show, yeah, you have to come with some nuclear take and you spoke”

of men like Eddie Vetter and Chris Cornell of being inauthentic. But now when you prefer to take, we'll know you have reached beyond the pale. I think I just can't go in the rewatchables again.

I think I just got to like take my bow exit through the sky or escape. We're bringing you out

from Helmont. If you're not going to miss from Helmont, it's five movies. Oh, that does sound quite exciting. Yeah, from Helmont. All right, Sean, good luck with projections. Tony, here you want a prestige TV and watching there as well as ringer NBA with of course, how's the new guy, Kyle, man? That's going all right. Cost crushing it. The guy energy,

“new guy energy, a very particular energy from Kyle, man, but I think he brings us a”

folksiness that we desperately needed us. Coastal elites for sure. All right, thanks for popping on. See you guys. Thanks, Bill. Thanks, Bill. All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to Bohoney and Sean. Thanks to Gahau and Eduardo as well. Don't forget about the rewatchables, which we're going to Monday, kindergarten, cop. Don't forget about Legata. Please check that out.

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