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Previously on killer story A dusty missing person file was quickly turned into a murder investigation with one suspect on Preston I can't help the think man that he's got something to do with both of these. I was scared of death. There was no witness to the murder I got a phone call She just said I know that man hurt Sabrina

It's one thing to arrest a person for murder another thing entirely to prove that person is a murder Beyond a reasonable doubt And that's where we are now. We're in court the state of Nevada versus Thomas Lancord Preston Jr Why are we here because Thomas Lancord Preston Jr? Insists he's not guilty

He is not the person he's been taken for. I've never lied in my life

The case had been entirely circumstantial, but then a call came in from a woman who claimed she was there The night Sabrina was pushed into the Colorado river Yeah, just her arms and legs were tied together find her back This is our final episode and we're gonna get to the bottom of some things like how Sabrina ended up floating in a clear cold river and Also did Linda get the revenge she was seeking

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I know before we start Actors reenact some court proceedings. All right. Let's have a trial Nevada versus Preston starts on valentine stay 1994. Yeah, the wheels of justice turn slowly It's seven years since Sabrina disappeared three years since lindle got on the case Today is supposed to be a day devoted to love

But no one in the courtroom is feeling much love The prosecutor wants the jury to think about a grizzly scene about how a defenseless Sabrina Met a violent end

“This is a case where a young woman was choked around the neck until she became white”

Choked until she became lifeless Preston's team the defense isn't feeling much love either their view is that the case has been concocted for the benefit of TV viewers the tail wagging the dog of Metro as in Metro police The attorney goes on if not for a current affair this poor older man would be free to Port his family

Okay, let's start with this poor older man 53-year-old Tom Preston the defendant Now you know defendants don't usually testify. It opens them up to too many questions on cross examination But a self-confident Preston is bucking the conventional wisdom He lumbered to the stand. He's been in jail awaiting trial for almost two years and has lost 50 pounds He's 300 pounds now still in terrible health

On the stand Preston looks comfortable. He supports a grain shaggy go-ty and wears business attire a dark blue suit He has a deep gentle voice He's clearly someone who believes in his powers of persuasion as far as I can tell The defense strategy is to paint Preston as an endearing character Likeable helpful grandfatherly Tom Preston. He just isn't the type to do something

Dastardly Lindle is sitting in the spectator section and she's worried He had good defense and he had the gift of the gabony and he gave his own testimony and If you were a jury member that believed him and he wanted them Had reasonable doubt this guy would not have gone to jail. She means that if even one juror believes Preston's story

There won't be a guilty verdict

This is how Preston presents himself in court first is a selfless member of the community

I'm quoting from Preston's statements here I was the humanitarian of the year in Las Vegas. I saved single handedly a bus from being hijacked I was mass caught for the cheerleaders. Everybody loved me Then he presents himself his highly trained He was a surgical nurse worked in law enforcement for the district attorney

He brought along a badge to show the jury

He's a respected businessman When Sabrina lived with him he was managing sales across five states and an overseeing security for International company all this from the comfort of a couch and his own home So this is Preston's version of who he is Preston also talked about his devotion to his troubled son Tommy

He'd raised Tommy since kindergarten mostly on his own

But Tommy became a monster on drugs and Preston's second wife said it's Tommy or me to which Preston said

I couldn't bring myself to throw my son out Preston's wife left And Tommy was all I had

“Is it really possible that this devoted father is a heartless killer?”

Lindell stared at Preston. I looked at him and I absolutely hated him. I looked at him and he made me feel ill Preston tells the jury that the only reason he's in the courtroom the only reason this whole thing Is happening is because of a current affair this sleaze-oid electric tabloid as he refers to it

Was hunting for ratings What he was saying was that it was all about me wanting to you know advance my career or some bullshit like that And he used to piss me off because he used to get my name wrong. He called me to add Lindell marks Next, the prosecutor gets turned with the accused. He opens with a trap

Mr. Preston that if you had a kill

“Kid would you tell in this courtroom is it cancer?”

Why would why wouldn't I sure?

I've never lied in my life

Never seems to me Preston fell into the prosecutor's trap Not to get too far ahead, but the facts may be unfriendly to Preston's view The prosecution contends that Sabrina was strangled to death in Preston's house in the hour between 830 and 930 on the morning of September 18th So between the time her friend Jennifer says she dropped her off at Preston's and the time her friend Crystal

Says she stopped by to pick her up for work Where were you at that time, Mr. Preston? His response something we haven't heard before Preston claims he was not at home that morning. He was at a clinic for his heart his bad ticker as he calls it

But that's not the version Jennifer told us nor the version she tells the court

He claims he wasn't there that morning

“Yeah, well, he was we know both know he was that's why we in Crystal were like he's like a pudding”

The prosecution believes the facts will convict Preston but a murder isn't a dry math problem The prosecution needs the jury to feel the case and so they call Bobby Sue Sabrina's mother to testify The prosecutor picks up a blue bag marked personal belongings It contains Sabrina's clothes, though she was wearing when she was fished out of the river

He places the dark pants the bra in Bobby's hands Asked her to identify them She was so fragile and sad and just you know really a miss Her hands were trembling they were clasped very very tightly and her face was barely composed her grief It's just kept breaking through

Bobby Sue regains her composure and here's the story she tells the jury about the time she banged on Preston's door demanding answers It's November 1987 two months after Sabrina disappeared no one yet knows she's dead One evening she shows up at Preston's home unannounced She comes with reinforcements Sabrina's grandmother her aunt her friend's Jennifer and Crystal and Crystal's mom Preston wasn't expecting them, but he's hospitable he invites them in then he notices Jennifer and gets furious

That lying bitch. She says Jennifer leaves Preston leads Bobby Sue in the rest of her troop to the living room, which is just a dozen or so feet from where According to the prosecution Sabrina was strangled

Tommy's there and sits next to his dad, but doesn't say much

He just told me that he didn't know what happened to Sabrina

“But Bobby Sue has come for some answers. Well, what's an old man like you trying to take care of a young girl like that”

And he said that he just wanted to be her model agent and her friend Q the resume Preston claimed experience in nursing security law enforcement and now he adds he had vast theatrical experience That's his phrase vast theatrical experience He claims he'd been in the TV business in the motion picture business. He'd owned studios

He'd been a theatrical agent a casting agent and Bobby Sue he owned modeling agencies plural Bobby Sue's reaction on the stand She was not a model. She was just a kid a lost kid

One of the things Preston didn't mention was some experience he may have had in photography

He'd been investigated in the 70s for creating and distributing pornography Makes me think of those photos of Sabrina in lingerie And then the prosecutor moves Bobby Sue to the main point of her story Something he wants the jurors to focus on. She tells the jury of a question She put to Preston in his living room. I

Asked him how did he come about making a $400,000 life insurance policy on my daughter since he hadn't even known her for a month

“And why did he think he could have that large some of money on my daughter when she was only 17?”

Then he said well That she took a lot of chances that she wrote on the back of murder cycles and that she was daring He just wanted to make sure he was covered in case there was an accident or something with her

Preston had his own explanation. I said, you know, it takes a lot of money to launch somebody's career

And if you're gonna you know, I don't get who it is and I said Can't put all anything and and and and and you busted up a little pieces all back to somebody's motorcycle and everything is puff I mean that was a certainly a A logical basic thing if you've done I have a pretty girl. You don't want to wipe out But to Bobby Sue Preston's explanation seems suspicious

After all he'd only collect if Sabrina died Facing Preston in the living room Bobby Sue won't let it go And I kept asking him over and over

“Well, how could you take such a large sum out on my daughter?”

And he didn't really answer me. He just talked about how beautiful she was one time The next time what a slut she was A grandma irony two weeks after Sabrina went missing state farm denied the application for life insurance The insurance If it was a motive for murder was misguided

Bobby Sue's testimony offers the jury a different side of Preston That's sudden angry outburst at a teenager plus he seemed evasive and that insurance policy Why would he apply for insurance the jury has to wonder And then the prosecution calls it's key witness

The one who claims to know exactly how Sabrina's body got in the Colorado river But is she to be believed she does have some challenges like for instance she's an admitted liar She will tell the court as much I lied on my testimony Apart where I said I didn't know anything

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First thing we walked in the door

“He said Sabrina hadn't come home last night”

And that we needed to file a missing person's report on her That he didn't want to be responsible if she got in trouble Did you file the reports in person? I told you I don't know I don't remember

I believe we filed reports with them Keep in mind This case could hinge on Denise's testimony And yet it times her memory seems iffy Times her testimony doesn't seem coherent

At one point the defense attorney asks "Are you on drugs now?" Denise says she isn't Here are the details As Denise recalls them

It's evening, dark out And pressing comes into their bedroom And asks her and Tommy a question Mr. Preston asked us if we wanted to go to lawflon That he had to meet somebody down there

Lawflon is on the Colorado River 95 miles to the south of Las Vegas That's a 90-minute drive Minimum Lawflon is a gambling center

Second only to Vegas

“Why did Denise and Tommy agree to a company”

Preston on that long drive On the spare of the moment? In court, Denise tries out a few answers We just agreed Because we like the river

We live there for a while Or for no reason The pleasure of a long car ride We just agreed, you know Yeah

We'd like to go It was unanimous To go And then a third try Denise mentions gambling is a reason

Denise was a big fan of gambling In any case, Preston drove his old mobile Tommy followed in his pick-up truck Denise was in the truck's passenger seat She says she and Tommy didn't talk

Apart from Tommy complaining about his dad's slow driving Preston crews by the Lawflon exit Turned off the main road At a Budweiser sign It was like

There was a full moon We drove her ways to reach the water

“And we drove along the river on a dirt road”

By this time I was wondering what was going on Preston stopped his car And we stopped behind him He got out of his car

Anyone to the trunk As he was opening it, he said Tom came help me Tommy got out of the truck To help his dad

And there was a girl in the trunk And she was tied up And then the prosecutor asks "Mrs. Day, what did you see happen next?" I seen him pick up a girl

Out of the trunk The prosecutor continues Who pulled the girl out of the trunk?

She was hog-tied

The perhands and legs tied behind her back

And they scooped her out of the trunk And she was wearing something dark Her head was on the defendant's side And little Tom had her legs part And they

Prosecutor Was she on her back or face down Face down She had something on her mouth It looked like tape, but I wasn't sure

Mr. Day Could you see the sex or gender of the body? She was I could tell it was a girl The prosecutor

Did you recognize who it was? I believe it was Sabrina Kid Prosecutor

Again, why do you believe it was Sabrina Kid?

Because of the haircut What do you mean the haircut? She had on one side of her head was Her hair was shorter on one side The hair was

But made me think it was Sabrina Kid Prosecutor

“This day could you tell whether or not the young woman you believed to be Sabrina Kid was alive or dead?”

No, I didn't I did not know if she was or not Preston and Tommy scooped the body out of the trunk Preston on the head Tommy on the feet

They headed down to the rocks into the river They put her face down in the water And took the ropes off And pushed her down into the water Maybe they didn't take the current into account

The defendant pushed her out

He just pushed her and she didn't float She kind of she didn't float out She came back in So he had to push her out further and let her go I just

After that I was My mind was elsewhere I didn't pay attention to that I was just praying to God Preston denies this entire story

He denies the murder Denies disposing of the body He says he knew Denise well And she wasn't trustworthy She got a son into drugs

She was a thief and a liar Preston says Denise had it in for him After he reported her for credit card fraud And then Preston says pointedly If I were to kill somebody

I surely wouldn't include Denise Day in a conspiracy It's a reasonable assertion Though cold blooded Who brings any outsider

Along to a body disposal Was Denise really great company In Denise's telling Preston regretted her presence She says he offered her five thousand

She says he offered her five thousand Dollars to keep quiet And also threatened to kill her if she didn't He threatened me and a son That the same thing would happen to us

The same thing that happened to Sabrina Tommy was murdered the next year Just as he seemed about to confess to his best friend Denise took that as a warning

“That's why she'd initially told Detective Leonard”

She knew nothing By the way Denise says she didn't take the five thousand from Preston So Do we believe Denise

Denise's credibility May well determine if there's a conviction in this case To me, for all her flaws as a witness Her memory troubles, her checkered past Denise told a tale of such a detailed horror

And told it a close and naming names To me, it doesn't seem possible she made it all up And yet Could Denise be so close to the crime And not involved?

Here's the question I have Was Denise telling the whole truth The next witness addresses my question directly She claims Denise omitted key details This witness is called by the defense

The defense attorney asks Who are you referring to when you said it was a planned murder By all three of them? Tom Sr. Tom Jr. and Denise Day Question

“Was that statement based upon things that Denise Day said to you?”

Yes it was This is Kathy Simmons How does Kathy know Denise? They moved in the same circles Followed similar paths

In other words, Kathy spent time in jail too After Denise saw a lindle's current affair segment on the jailhouse TV She supposedly opened up to her cellmate Denise's cellmate at the time

Preston's lawyers hope Kathy's testimony will show that the prosecution star witness

“Denise Day is a fabulous, a fancy way to say liar”

If they succeed, then nothing Denise says Should be taken as credible, right? That anyway is their hope On the stand, Kathy seems confident She's used to conflict with authorities

And isn't easily intimidated Kathy calls Denise her dear friend at one point Though it's pretty clear she doesn't like Denise much She moved in with all different people

She's never been real stable

Denise was selling drugs So a drug dealer and drifter And Kathy adds always on the grift Kathy says Denise grifted Sabrina's jewelry After she disappeared

According to Kathy After the current affair segment aired, Denise had a crisis In the cell She started getting hysterical and crying For I thought no reason

And I said what's wrong with you And she just started talking about it Over time Kathy says Denise's story evolved In the beginning when she first started talking about it

She actually told me she wasn't so involved

But then I guess her conscience was bothering her

And she just said how she wasn't involved And she felt bad And Denise was crying According to Kathy, Denise then talks about the plot To set the house on fire

And with it Sabrina In the middle of the conversation she said And I was supposed to be the one to do it Burn her in the house He wanted me to burn her in the house

And I said, who? And she said, Tom, Tommy's dad I said, oh Why would Denise even consider doing that Well, Kathy says Denise told her straight out

Denise was saying that she was supposed to get 30% of the insurance money But Denise didn't set the house on fire She couldn't bring herself to do it

“But the most important thing Kathy claims Denise told her”

Had to do with Sabrina's actual murder Kathy says Denise saw much more than she told the jury Denise had testified she didn't know if Sabrina was dead Or alive in the trunk Well, she was alive the whole way there

And when she got out they had her mouth taped And she tried to ask Denise for a cigarette When they took her out of the trunk That's what Denise said She looked at her and she tried to ask for a cigarette

And Denise said, I felt bad And I just walked away And I stood away while he did it Quick question Would Sabrina hog tied and would tape over her mouth

Have as her first utterance

You got a cigarette Maybe in a David Lynch movie On what happened next Kathy's version and Denise's version align Up to a point

All she can remember is Sabrina coming back Up out of the water Looking at her Her eyes were still open

“And that's what keeps flashing in her mind”

So Preston and Tommy fished Sabrina out of the water Now the two versions diverge He got upset because she kept floating back in And he wanted her to drown And he snapped her windpipe

They then threw her back into the water Kathy says Sabrina's murder is about money Preston wants Sabrina dead so he can collect insurance And Denise wants in Which apparently is where Kathy draws the line

She was a dear friend of mine But it's got to be greedy To do something like this You got to be greedy According to Kathy's version

Denise is not just a spectator She's a trusted member of the inner circle Which would explain Why she's allowed to witness Sabrina's body being dumped in the river So where do I think this leaves us?

Preston's defense team brought in Kathy Hoping she discredit Denise But even if Kathy's version is a hundred percent accurate And who knows? What's the bottom line?

In both Kathy's version and Denise's version Preston Is the murderer? Whether he did it at Rivers' edge or in the house

Or in the privacy of his own bedroom

Both versions agree Preston murdered Sabrina And that's what's important It's up to the jury now

“The jurors will deliberate for about eight hours”

Until ten of one in the morning I'm going to read what the judge said As I sit here and listen to you You are very articulate You appear to be very friendly and jovial

You look rather grand fatherly and like a nice guy But under that facade The jury believed and the evidence presented here shows You are an evil heartless predator We did your interview on the title case

On the comment column line for Preston Jr A.K.A. tall line for Preston

guilty of murder of a first degree

So Preston is convicted of pre-meditated murder A good outcome for a current affair The company won't be sued now But Lindle has more immediate concerns Lindle, the producer, hustles down the hallway

“Chasing Preston's lawyers for the reaction shot”

There was little reaction From Tom Preston So we asked he's a attorney Roy Waffter to comment on the verdict Excuse me sir

Hi Can I hear it again? Kiss by You are the extra metal part of this whole situation My reaction to that was no thank you

And did we get that on tape? They did and it was perfect for television The verdict marked the end almost Of a long journey for the characters in this story Preston received a sentence of life without parole

And died in prison Protesting his innocence for years After the verdict

“Other victims came forward with reports of sexual assault”

Turned out the supposed humanitarian of the year Was a serial sexual predator For me the big remaining question is Lindle In a way Her involvement in this saga began with a violent attack

On a porch in Australia When she was 19 years old Getting justice for Sabrina Was supposed to help her avenge that attack by proxy Her attacker had gotten away unpunished

Sabrina's wouldn't And that was supposed to help heal Lindle To help her find emotional closure Will did it? I called on some experts to weigh in

I'm Ellie I'm Lindle's daughter I'm the youngest I'm 24 years old I grew up my whole life in Sydney, Australia

I want to go to medical school so I'm applying To that this year I'm Molly, I am Lindle's oldest daughter I'm 28 years old I work in media and production

Kind of following in mom's footsteps And I train full time as an elite cross-fit athlete The nerd and the athlete is the family's shorthand All three Lindle and her two daughters Live together in Los Angeles now

We brought them into the studio Lindle and Dan broke up after seven years of marriage She hasn't been in a serious relationship since So Lindle and her girls are a self-contained trio Luckily for the girls, mom is perfect

We had home cooked like pasta salad lunches Every single day with a love note From kindergarten through year 12 Mom would drive us all around Sydney and beyond For softball tournaments every weekend

And it was all just kind of done You know, we'd get there on time everything would just be sorted Some kids rebel against parents Like Sabrina Their heroes are outside the home

Not these two I want to stop by saying that Mom is my hero Mom is truly in every way shape or form Absolutely my hero

The most incredible human on the planet

They were enthralled by her stories of journalism Sabrina is the number one favorite I feel like that story has been such a huge part of this family

How many how many people can say that their mum solved a murder And has done all this

“But for a long time, the daughters didn't know about Sabrina's connection”

To their mom's own experiences The attack was lindle secret She kept it from her daughters Until they were in college

I've always been very honest and open with them both

And that was the one thing I had never told them Lindle, the TV producer Produced the encounter with care I wanted to tell them in an intimate setting When it was just a three of us we were out of

Sydney, we're a down south In this cute little country town I didn't want it to be Anywhere that they would recognize that And combine that with this story

She sat them down at a cafe I remember it was really cold outside So I remember she was wearing one of her big beautiful Courts and she looked fabulous as she always does Lindle told them she had a history

They didn't know Actually there's a big area that's been missing That you guys don't know about

“And I think things kind of started to slow down”

As she started telling the story Lindle was calm She told them methodically About our ex-boyfriend About the attack

About her face beaten to a pulp She remained really composed Think Molly and I were just like Why did I draw on the floor? Like what is happening right now

It was just like How dare Someone do this to our mom That was kind of upset Like oh I don't know this massive part of you

Ellie was crying Not Molly I thought of anyone hurting my mom Just like makes me so furious Since Dan Lindle has been the plus one

Which was fine with her She knew herself

“She knew she couldn't bring herself to trust men”

The girls had always wondered

Why their mom seemed closed To intimate partnerships And then they found out And now they have an idea for their mom We both advocate strongly for therapy

And how much it helps I do not know That's for a different podcast Yeah We have tried to get mom into therapy

And what happens when I've spoken with someone She thinks she's too small for everyone Because she is But that's not the attitude And to have what we're going into therapy

We need to be open minded Even though she's such a catch I think So you did you see that face She just made when Ellie said she's such a catch

That's the self-doubt She is such a catch and she doesn't realize it And so, Lindle, how about the emotional closure that seemed promised When you jumped into the hopeless case of Sabrina Kid It didn't give me any emotional closure

No But what it did give Lindle was something else Maybe something more important Does a person really ever recover from the murder of a child Or a vicious assault

Those things lurk inside Grief is endless But Lindle did find something Molly said it first I think it made us become closer

As a little family unit Because, you know, we knew everything And we knew more about mom and we appreciated And understood mom more than we had before Imagine that kind of closeness

That little community Even of just three That's where meaning and compassion reside And healing too And a way it was a great relief

Sharing it with the two people That mean more to me than Anybody else on this planet This is the end of our story Almost

One last issue There are those in our series Who believed that Preston had Something to do with the murder of his son Tommy We have new information to share

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Creator and host is me Steve Fishman Executive producers are Linda Marks Kevin Wardest

And Jonathan Hirsch from Sony Music Entertainment

Producers Jackie Paulie Hannah Beal and Austin Smith Production coordinator and engineer is Austin Smith Series consultant and meal client sound designer Britt Spangler Fact check Ryan Alderman Our lawyers are at Clarice Law

“Special thanks to Emily Rassick Steve Aquaman”

Katherine St. Louis Sammy Ellison Allison Haney Fisher Stevens and the glamorous re-a-julean We also thank our agents at WME

Evan Crasic Marissa Hurwitz Ben Davis

And a special thanks to Shelly Shinoi for voiceover casting Our voice actors for our final episode are Raven Dunham As Denise Day, Ava Julianne's Kathy Simmons and Lindsey Smart as Bobby Sume And a special special thanks to the in-immutable Emiel Klein

Tommy Preston is one of the saddest figures in this story The troubled young man who loved a dad who was a psychopath

“Jim and Denise thought that Tommy's father arranged for his murder”

Once Tommy started to talk about the crime But there's a twist Someone else pleaded guilty to the murder A man named Randy Waddell He's dead but we do have his court papers

And what they say leads us to a mystery What else took an unusual guilty plea? It's called an outfit plea In this plea

You're not admitting guilt to the crime You are admitting that you'd probably be found guilty if you went to trial Waddell took an outfit plea to avoid facing the death penalty But in his allocation to the judge accepting his plea Waddell insisted on one thing

His lawyer put it this way My client maintains that he was not the one who killed Tommy We'll leave you to ponder that Have a nice day Lindel says she's on the hunt for answers too

But what I want to say is that you don't want to be a criminal You're a master of the crime You can't say that you're a criminal You're a master of the crime But you don't understand it

That's not true You're a criminal You're a master of the crime And if you're a criminal, you'll be punished That's right

What's the crime? I'm going to get you a lawyer Now you're a lawyer