My Mother’s Lies | 1. The Hero Housewife Who Solved A Murder

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“Every murder trial tells the story. What happened? Who did it? How did it happen?”

Even why it happened? When there's strong corroborating evidence, that story is anchored to fact. But when there isn't, when the physical proof is missing, when there's nothing to go on by

eyewitness testimony, the story, that testimony becomes the case. The series is about a story.

That was repeated, reinforced, and eventually accepted as truth. A story that may have mattered more than evidence to the contrary. And at the center of it all, is the woman who helped write that story. It's August 1st in the year 2000, a bombing Tuesday morning, in the small town of Mayfield in

“Western Kentucky. Beyonce and the boy band and singer dominating the airwaves.”

Gladiator and X-Men are playing at the local theater. At the local middle school, staff are now preparing for the coming year. Though nothing could prepare teacher Tina Schlosser for what was to come. She steps outside to water the plants near the back of the school. When she sees something out of the corner of her eye, something laying just behind the low brick wall. It's an item of clothing strewn on the grass, a single sandal.

Just laying there, she'd later say, as if someone had just run out of it. Walking closer, she pears around the corner and stops in her tracks, standing rigid and horror. Before her lies, the brutalized and partially burned body of a young black woman. The singed grass around her is a strange yellow color. Aside from the damage done by fire, the body is starting to decompose. Only later, would they be able to identify the

young woman as Jessica current. Her murder would shake this quiet town to its core and make headlines across the nation. Some had murdered 18-year-old Jessica current, a local fire captain's daughter, a single mother, her smile lit up her friends. Jessica was last seen by her parents, Joe and Jean current on the afternoon of Saturday, July 29th. They were taking care of her seven-month-old baby cyan for the evening. We got up Sunday morning, and you know, my wife said she

already knew something was wrong because Jesse normally calls and checks on cyan pretty often. And she hadn't called at night. We got up that morning and went by her house, knocked on the door and wouldn't get an answer. They didn't have to wait long to discover the awful truth. Less than 48 hours later, the Mayfield Police Department, the local cops, were scrambling, trying to make sense of a chaotic crime scene. The police footage shows the half-clothed,

partially burned body of Jessica current. Her dresses torn, underwear discarded. The sandal lying nearby suggests she might have been attempting to flee her attacker. Plenty of theories about

Police say 18-year-old Jessica Melissa current died from multiple blows to the body.

“Investigators say she was assaulted and her body set on fire. So far, police say there are no”

motives. Police get it. In the archive footage of the crime scene, you can clearly see the yellow police tape blocking off the area. Tape is supposed to be a barrier between the crime scene and onlookers to protect the evidence from contamination. But it doesn't stop one curious Mayfield resident from getting closer than she should. Susan Gauberath, she is 40 white, slightly overlooked within the community, a little overweight with bleach blonde hair and a rough and ready charm, brazen even.

She's not a journalist or a cop. She's a housewife. Exactly how she came to be at the crime scene

is a matter of some debate. But here she is giving one version of events to a journalist some years

“later. A friend and I are sitting in a restaurant and our waitress walked over and asked us”

if we had heard that there was a body that had been found at the middle school. It's I'm heading towards home. I saw crime scene tape and I started walking through this grass. As I come through the clearing of it, I just look up and there I see the body of a black woman. People kept fixated with true crime stories and sometimes citizen sluice will jump in and try to solve or help the police but they're doing it from afar. Susan lived in the same town where Jessica current was murdered

and Susan didn't know Jessica personally. In fact, she had no connection to her at all and yet she felt so compelled as to physically step into the crime scene. Her name is there in black and white on the official police log. I knew that it, it, it, it grabbed me. I knew it because I could not stop thinking about her. Susan's motivations will be a matter of debate for years. No one could know how this case would

come to haunt Mayfield for the next two decades. Making Susan Galbra, a hero to some and a villain to others. If you get somebody like that on the wrong track, they could take the ball and go to a wrong direction. What were Susan's real motives for trying to solve the Jessica current murder? She was an entity of them found the killer that killed their daughter.

“How did the authorities come to trust this middle-aged housewife and her evidence?”

Is that normal for the sixth sense to be walking around with case files? Motion isn't discovery. It'd be very unusual. It's a question that has left many perturbed, including her son. As it was just the lies, there are so many lies. So the narrative that's in front of us can't

be the truth. Did Susan ultimately do more harm than good? Why in the world would you allow

them to get this close? And especially somebody that would have a motive. I'm in pursuit of economies and maybe you're my space and look at this. I'm just like, what do I do? Oh my God! And perhaps the biggest question of all, did she help convict an innocent man? I do feel like they got the wrong people. From Sony music entertainment and message heard, you're listening to my mother's lies. I'm Beth Keras, a journalist and legal analyst

who's been covering stories at the heart of our criminal justice system for decades. This is episode 1, The Hero Housewife, who solved the murder. The stories I've covered include some of America's most high-profile trials. And as a legal analyst and podcast host, I try to provide listeners with deep legal insight and my perspective on these complex true crime stories. But I can tell you, there are aspects of this story that are unlike

anything I've ever reported on. You know, we know there's a large and passionate audience for true-cremed stories, especially for the victims. But the action of one person in this story takes that passion to a whole other level and incredibly dangerous level.

fire department. And in the summer of 2000, she was finishing her high school diploma with

“big plans to go to college in nearby Paduka. She'd also just become a new mom to her son Zion.”

She would be named something holy which is Mount Zion. This is Jessica's father, Joe, today. He's still a pillar of the community. The former firefighter once played defense for the Mayfield Cardinal's high school football team. And he's a dedicated church gore. It's been more than 25 years since Joe has laying eyes on his daughter. But warm memories of

her are never far from his mind. She liked calling people and talking to him, relatives and

friends, and she'd help with the pastries, and she made a chocolate chest pecan. He's talking pie here, apparently it's just heavenly and a real southern treat. And I ain't still ain't had one like that since it was the best. By all accounts, Jessica was a compassionate soul, a natural caregiver, and Joe thinks that his daughter would have gone on looking after people for the rest of her life. She was a son of Dakota College in Paduka. She had already signed up. I assume she was going

to go prognose likely in the nursing. Just kind of what I figured, but she really liked hitting people. Jessica and her son had also recently moved out of her parents home to their own apartment. Jessica was beginning to stand on her own feet and make a life for herself. Charlotte Chibaris managed Jessica's apartment back in the summer of 2000. She was respectful, she was very sweet,

her neighbors said she was very kind, she wasn't loud, she's some girls when they first get out.

“You know, remember how you were young, they wanted to, you know, maybe fill their oats a little bit”

and have little parties or something. She did not do that. When she was out there talking to her neighbors, her baby would be right there in his little carrier. Her son Zion came from a fleeting one-off encounter with a local man, 20-year-old Jeremy Adams. But this was a fact Jeremy contested at the time. He was just a peripheral figure in Jessica's life, a friend of a friend, or more specifically, a friend of her new boyfriend, Carlos Saksden. Carlos and Jeremy were both

involved in local drug circles. According to her then 16-year-old cousin Benisha, Jessica was kept on a pretty tight leash by her parents. Jessica said in a house all the time. I was like, when she wanted to go to hang out with her friends and go see some families, a lot of times she

“couldn't do that. She had to stay at home. All right, because mommy dears didn't want her out there. Like that.”

cooped up in the house all day, every day, going to school, church, school, church, school, church. Benisha says her cousin was at an age where she wanted more freedom. Jessica wanted to live her life. She didn't want to be living the life, standing under her parents' rules all the time, 24/7, and she did. Then again, from Joe's point of view, Benisha's relationship with Jessica was not exactly straight forward.

Benisha always seemed like she needed help, or somewhere to stay, or some food,

or some money to get something to eat, and she felt sorry for. Jessica felt sorry for her cousin that is. And who's the other part of it? Benisha was not a freeing. Benisha couldn't stand there. She was one of the ones that felt like Jessica was trying to be acting like she's better than deal. When she wasn't, she was just being herself. What is clear is that Jessica's cousin Benisha would be one of the last people to see her alive. Joe recalls that day vividly.

On the late afternoon of Saturday, July 29, Joe dropped by Jessica's apartment to pick up his grandson. He thought he'd just be taking care of baby Zion for one night. Not a lifetime. Jessie told us that when she, uh, the combat Sunday morning, she might go to church with us. While I was there, it was Benisha on a few of the girls that I didn't know and they were talking about going somewhere, and she was talking about going to Benisha's house to play chords.

According to Benisha's early police statements, after drinking and playing cards, Benisha called around hoping to find a ride home for Jessica. But eventually Jessica decided to walk the mile and a half home herself.

aunt's house. After they left, Benisha waved Jessica goodbye on the corner of South 14th and

“Walnut Streets sometime after 1 a.m. By mid-morning, Joe and Gene Keren, who are babysitting Zion,”

are already worried they've heard nothing from their daughter. Over the course of Sunday afternoon and into Monday, the Keren's drive all over town, asking friends that they've seen Jessica. She's 18 lived on her own in her own house. You can't really turn them in as missing until so much time passed by. We sort of checking around Zion and everybody we thought that she might know or might have some information and we didn't find her. Which brings us back to that Tuesday

morning behind Mayfield Middle School. We had heard a story from the neighbor down the street that they had found a body behind the middle school in Mayfield, and that's when we, you know, we went over there, but they went that us into the scene.

“The man in charge of this crime scene was Mayfield Police Department's Tim Fortner,”

one of the first law enforcement officers to arrive. At the time, he was a newly made detective with zero experience in handling homicide cases. Let alone a murder that would become as high

profile as this. They put somebody in charge. I can't even imagine why that had never investigated

barely been a police officer. Been a deputy jailer when they had other people that could have done that or even that's John Paul, an ex-cop and private investigator who'd come to know this case inside out. Curiously, according to Jessica's parents, Detective Fortner openly expressed doubts to them about his own capabilities. They appointed Tim Fortner who came to our house and told us he'd never done this before. He said that to us. He said so. It's excuse me, because I'm learning

on the job. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know why they made me a detective. We reached out to Tim Fortner, who doesn't recall this conversation, but he did confirm that it was effectively his first day on the job as a detective. In fact, he was told the go home and get changed out of his uniform. Are you kidding me? He literally went from his uniform

to a suit as a detective. The first hours of a murder investigation are critical.

Sadly, as it turns out, putting a rookie detective in charge of a major homicide investigation was only the beginning of the problems with this case. The crime scene was next.

“The make-up, please seem to make one mistake after another. Now, it's important to know”

that the chain of custody of evidence items collected at the scene, for example, must be clearly established in order for it to be admissible at trial. When there's a problem when that chain, the risk is that the evidence can't be used and that's exactly what happened here. Evidence wasn't collected properly, if at all, or labeled correctly, that meant much of the evidence that was in police possession was contaminated or unusable. Here's Miranda Helman.

She's a Kentucky-based attorney who knows this case well because she would later represent one of the suspects accused of killing Jessica. It was almost like a puzzle that you didn't have a picture of and you are missing half the pieces. Every piece of evidence had multiple evidence numbers on it. Anything from the state lab didn't correspond back to our original mayfield police department file. Having the local police department handle the crime scene

in a place that is not lovable or Lexington. We're talking a very small local police department handling a massive sort of from the beginning high profile murder investigation was to me highly unusual. It took years, but the mayfield police department would eventually manage to build a case, bringing charges against two suspects. Now it's well known that in more than half of female murder cases, the perpetrator is a boyfriend, husband, or an ex. In the case of this mayfield police

investigation, they charge both a current boyfriend and an ex. But on February 12, 2003, at a pretrial hearing against Jeremy Adams and Carlos Saxon, Detective Fortner made a fatal error when he failed to hand over some key documents to the defense. And since this discovery

case against Jeremy and Carlos. A grand jury indicted current boyfriend, Jeremy Adams,

but when a judge learned mayfield police withheld information from prosecutors and the defense, he tossed out the indictment. Just to correct the news reporting you just heard, Jeremy Adams was not Jessica's boyfriend. He was actually the father of her son. Jessica's boyfriend was Jeremy's codependent, Carlos Lolo Saxon. Anyway, after the public embarrassment of having the case thrown out, Tim Fortner was removed from the case and he resigned.

Shortly after that, the mayfield police turned the entire investigation over to the Kentucky State

Police. When Jamie Mills, the new lead detective saw the original case file, he was stunned.

Even he could not understand why the case was so poorly handled. A fact he later told news reporters.

“My first reaction when I read through the case was, is this really a murder case?”

You know, when I think of a murder case, I mean, you're reading a murder case, you're thinking hundreds of pages of documents. And I would venture to say that the case reported itself, probably contain less, and I can't recall for sure, but less than 10 pages. I mean, just the actual narrative, the investigative part of the report. Whether through incompetence, negligence, or whatever else, after four years, the murder of Jessica

Corinne was still an open case. Enter the citizen's sleuth, Susan Gauberath, ready to take matters into her own hands. And now, even the police are now in the middle of the investigation. And in the action of action, a little bit of a big surprise. For crime scene, I'm joined by my producer and co-host Cooper Mall, the reporter and voice

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available now. And the spring of 2004, Susan K. Gallbert was 44 years old, and her life was drifting.

Fatal hadn't always dealt for a fair hand. She was unemployed, collecting disability,

and coming out of a bad relationship. Susan, by all accounts, was a bit of a character,

“but otherwise unexceptional. Remember, she's the one who stepped into the crime scene”

when Jessica Curren was first found. She's not cop, a private investigator or a journalist, and yet apparently she felt so passionately about the murder of Jessica Curren, she decided to take matters into her own hands. At the cops couldn't solve the case, maybe she could. Susan wasted no time in looking for support. She wrote to Jerry Springer, Oprah Winfrey,

even appealing to celebrities Jay Z and Julia Roberts, perhaps hoping for an Arab rock-a-bitch style intervention. If that sounds fancival, I can tell you, I get letters and emails like these all the time. Sometimes I respond, and though I wish I could, I just can't take up their causes. I don't have the band with. But in the case of Susan Calberth, someone did exactly that. Tom Mangold, a word-winning British investigative journalist, and broadcaster.

"I'm writing you in hope. You can help see that the show woman's murder itself and that all

you except knowing that this young woman's." Miraculously, Tom not only replies, he flies out to Mayfield on his own dime to aid her investigation.

They form an unlikely friendship. Tom is the first to look past Susan's lack of formal

education or investigative experience and recognize her potential. He takes Susan under his wing, together they conduct interviews and chase down leads. Suddenly, with Tom by her side, phone calls are returned and doors are unlocked. People are taking Susan seriously. In just one week, with Tom's cloud and Susan's local knowledge, they quickly identify a new prime suspect. Reflecting on it some years later, by Tom's own admission,

it wasn't even that tough of a case to crack.

“"And I'd love to say we were great investigators who solved the case in days, but the truth is,”

the evidence of who was behind the murder of Jessica was actually lying all over Mayfield. The seriously nasty drug dealer called Quincy Cross." Quincy Omar Cross, a small softly spoken 24-year-old black man from Tippedinville, Tennessee, who was just passing through Mayfield for the night. He had a criminal record, repeat low-level felonies, including in a salt conviction and a couple of drug charges.

But in the early hours of July 30, he was found on a rural roadside, high on cocaine, driving someone else's car, and smelling of gasoline. Just two days before Jessica Current's burned body was discovered. In a town desperate for answers, and with few other leads to go on, newly appointed state please investigate her Jamie Mills was open to Susan's ideas.

"I mean, she was an ass person. She could get information. I took the information and put it together with all of the other stuff, and I tried to find where it might fit. And then I would try to find who's the next person

“to go talk to and relation to that. So she was a good investigator. I think she just loved it.”

She loved doing it." As Tom heads back to England, detective Mills works closely with Susan. But with a lack of any physical evidence, there just wasn't enough to charge Quincy. Weeks turned into months, months turned into euros, Susan continued her slew thing. But by 2006, the states case wasn't any closer to a resolution.

That's when Jessica's father Joe made an emotional appeal to the attorney general's office.

And in response, the Kentucky Bureau of Investigation steps in, the third law enforcement agency

to investigate Jessica's murder. When agents finally arrive in Mayfield, Susan Gauberth is standing by. She greets them armed with a thick case file assembled over the past two years.

“And by this time, she also has witnesses ready to testify to her theory.”

As one KBI agent later reflected, Susan's assistance was invaluable. Fantastic lady by the name of Susan Gauberth that we came to know. She was a person that was out front that took this case single-handedly and decided that she was going to try to do everything in her power to help find out what had happened to Jessica Curry. Within six months, the new investigators arrest Quincy Cross along with four accomplices.

All of them initially denied any role in the murder. Quincy's case was finally set for trial in 2008. I want to tell you guys about a podcast that is near and dear to my heart. And I can't believe it already came out a year ago and you can all go listen to it, add free by subscribing to the Binge podcast channel. What podcast, Karen, tell us. Oh, it's called Blink J. Candle Story. I created it about a man named Jake who I met,

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“The air in Hickman County Circuit Court in Western Kentucky is heavy and humid. Despite the AC,”

humming overhead, the 12 jurors shift un-easily in their box. This is a major case for a rural courtroom. The clerks and bailiffs survey the crowded public gallery. The currents are front and

center. They've waited a long time to see justice for Jessica. Finally, the judge takes the bench

and the trial begins. Common wealth up Kentucky versus Quincy, Omyr Cross. I'm about to lie 30 if 2000 engraves can't be said to be a main defendant. Please see Omyr Cross, acting alone more implicitly with Tamar Seekle, where Daniel and Jeffrey Andrew Burke committed the offense of Capitol kidnapping. When the unlawful lady was crying,

“"Yes, the current." That is prosecutor Barbara Whaley. She's outlining the charges against Quincy”

Cross and his code defendants. These include Tamar Caldwell, Jeffrey Burton, and Austin Leach. There are others too who were charged in relation to the murder. Those who wouldn't stand trial at this point. Others, because they took a deal, pleading guilty to lesser charges. One of them was Jessica's cousin, Venetia Stubblefield. The same cousin you heard at the beginning, just 16 at the time who had been with Jessica the night she disappeared. The same cousin who

claimed to have waved goodbye to her as she walked off into the night. That, Venetia. As the prosecution continues, the full horror of the defendant's alleged crimes is revealed. This may be difficult to hear. "With the offense of sawing the first degree, right in the first degree, with the offense of abuse of course, our performing dissetual acts, or anything more." The story that is laid out for the jury is one of unimaginable violence and deprivation.

According to the prosecution, in the early hours of July 30, 2000, Jessica was picked up in a car, beaten, raped by the defendants before being strangled to death with a belt by Quincy Cross. They believe her body was stored in a shed for two days, and then early in the morning of August 1st, Jessica's body was transported, discarded, and burned outside may-field middle school. Although there is a distinct lack of physical evidence connecting

him, Quincy is convicted as charged, primarily on the strength of eyewitness testimony. The prosecution's two star witnesses are Victoria Caldwell, another young black teenager in Mayfield, and Venetia's stubblefield, Jessica's cousin. We'll come back to Victoria and Venetia later. Their names will come up again and again in this series. Quincy Cross is sentenced to three life terms without any chance of parole. Following Quincy's conviction, Jeff Burton and Tamar

Caldwell both take plea deals. The final defendant, Austin Leach, stands trial and has found not guilty. So, after eight long years, the currents finally have some closure. Although in my experience, there really is no closure for families. There may be a measure of justice, but these wounds

never heal. At the time, Jessica's father Joe lauded the efforts of amateur investigator Susan

by law enforcement. This gentleman had come over here and investigated about week or ten days

on this case. He had found several pieces of information that hadn't been discovered and had been checked out when the minister of police had the case. Susan is celebrated for her three-year

“investigation, which provided officers with the crucial information and the witnesses to finally”

secure a conviction. She was even given an outstanding citizen award by the Kentucky Bureau of Investigation. Here's a newscast up her at the time. Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky House wife helped give justice to Jessica Curry. It's a feeling warmly shared by KBI agent Bob O'Neill, who even years later maintained Susan's value in solving the case. Here was a situation where her involvement was so great and so appreciated that in the middle of this case we stopped and took

a moment to recognize her for a job well done. I don't think that we could have broke the case

without Susan. Over the following years, Susan's incredible story continued to gain attention.

The hero Housewife who solved a murder, the tale of an ordinary woman pursuing the great American dream, the idea that if you work hard enough, want it badly enough, you can achieve greatness. Susan appeared on various networks and even gave an interview on Japanese TV. Along with press articles and a BBC radio documentary, Tom Mangold had big plans to help turn the Susan and Tom story into a movie. He even traveled back to Mayfield with a big-time Hollywood

producer to discuss a screenplay. But before that dream could come to fruition, Susan Gallbert suddenly died of a stroke in 2018. Following her death, Tom continued pushing for the film deal memorializing Susan's story. In the early 2020s, a British production company will link films agreed to produce a documentary series. This has all the makings of a true crime classic, the odd couple who cracked a cold case, the veteran newsman and the citizen's

sleuth. But that's where the hero's story ends and our story really begins. So it's nice to see you again, Alice. Good to see you, Beth. Why don't you introduce yourself to

“our listeners and tell them who you are or how you're connected to the story?”

So my name is Alice Arnold. I'm a documentary journalist and podcaster and I've been working on the Jessica Current story for about four years now. Alice was originally brought on as a producer

for the TV documentary and she was one of the first to realize Susan's investigation had a lot

of holes in it. There's plenty of evidence but nothing linking Quincy to that crime scene and no evidence of Jessica being in the car that Quincy was driving. So sure you can prosecute without forensics but then why was Quincy prosecuted, which led me to the witnesses. Venetious double-field and Victoria called well. Let's just say things did quite add up. We'll get to those details later. Meanwhile, Alice and our colleagues kept digging.

It blew my mind. I've been brought on to tell the story of Susan's successful investigation and the prosecution of Quincy Cross but nothing I was finding was leading me to that story. For the past three years Alice has continued her digging and her results will be featured throughout this series. We're going back through Susan's investigation through 25 years of documents, interviews, and rumors to understand exactly what impact Susan had on the conviction

“of Quincy Cross. How does a private citizen become so involved with an official investigation?”

Was altruism truly at the heart of Susan's involvement? Did Susan just end up way over her head or did she have ulterior motives from the start? She died years ago so we can't ask her but in this series, we'll speak to those who knew her best, like her only child, Ray. The mother signed stuff that I've dealt with my whole life that I can deal with. I've learned to deal with that

did Susan's actions allow the real killer to go free? We'll talk to people who investigated the case

themselves. There were red flags having to do with the police department, red flags having to do with the evidence, but by far the biggest stack of red flags all came back to Susan Gaubert. And people whose lives, she had a hand in destroying, wittingly or not.

“The secret is that I'm not told that people might think this is a made up fucking story, man. Yes.”

At time of release, we have not received a response from the Kentucky State Police,

Carlos Axton, or Jeremy Adams, regarding allegations reported in this episode. The Mayfield Police Department responded saying none of the investigators that worked on the current case 26 years ago remain employed by the department and the police

“department was "not in a position to respond to the allegations."”

But what I want to say is that my not-ending studio is not a master-by-tark laptop,

but the internet is so much like a real toy. I'm saying, you can say that you're a real toy. Yes, you're a real toy, right? But you don't understand.

“Exactly. The man is a real toy. He's a real toy. He's a real toy. He's a real toy.”

That's right. He's a real toy. He's a real toy. Now, we're going to try out the news. This is My Mother's Lies, an original production of Sony Music Entertainment, and Message Herd, hosted by me, Beth Carras.

From Message Herd, Alice Arnold is our investigator producer, Robin Simon, our producer, McAllister Bexon, our series producer, Tiago Diaz, our assistant producer. Alan Leer is our supervising sound editor, supported by sound editors, Lizzy Andrews, and I've been easily with original composition by Mike Mays. From Sony Music Entertainment, our executive producers, our Katherine St. Louis,

and Jonathan Hirsch. From Blink Films, our executive producer is Justin Hirscha, and a big thanks to the whole Sony Music Entertainment team.