My Mother’s Lies | 2. My Mom, Susan

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tightly sealed jar by Zeus and told never to open it. All Pandora must do is keep it safe and leave

well enough alone. But curiosity gets the better of her. She opens the jar and lets loose all sorts of evil, sickness, envy, death. The contents wreak havoc across the world leaving misery in their wake.

“Pandora didn't open the jar out of malice or stupidity. She was curious. She simply wanted to”

note the truth. However uncomfortable. Well the story I'm going to tell you across the course of this series is in part the story of a man who opened his own version of Pandora's box. Not a jar sealed by the gods, but a dusty box taken from his garage. Inside it are no pads, letters, and dog-yared photographs that belong to his mother. But these are not sentimental memories. This is a vault of clues and secrets. And just like Pandora, once the man opened the box,

there was no going back. It's early November, 2025. Just before Thanksgiving, Kentucky has been gripped by a cold front. Just outside of Mayfield in a brightly lit hotel lobby, our producer Alice Arnold is meeting Ray McCourt. As you heard last time, Alice is no stranger to the Jessica current murder. Nor Susan Gowbress role in solving it. Alice has been looking into the story for several years now,

but today is the first time she's speaking with Ray face to face.

You see, Ray knows a lot about the real Susan. He's Susan Gowbress's son, her only child. At the time of Susan's sudden death in 2018, Ray and his mom weren't talking much. They didn't exactly leave things on good terms. So after he inherited a bunch of her belongings, Ray stashed the boxes in his garage. One of those boxes included Susan's research on Jessica current's murder. In 2021, Ray was contacted by producers from Blink, the British TV company who wanted to make a

film about his mom. Their plan was to tell the heroic story of how a citizen's sleuth with the help of an international journalist had solved a gruesome murder in Mayfield, Kentucky.

The timing felt right for Ray to finally confront some of his feelings towards his mother.

So Ray went into the garage and opened the box. That was four years ago, and Alice, now working with us, was one of the TV producers who first got Ray digging into his mother's story. Since then, they've both been on a journey of discovery.

Shall we rifle through your stuff and all? Come show me what we've got.

“Together, Alice and Ray go through his mother's files, transcripts of police interviews,”

official court documents, the autopsy report. They pass on some old photographs Susan took of each of the members of the Mayfield Police Department. You see, she was a keen photographer. How does she have these? Because she was working with all of them. But what she asked them for pictures? Probably just what she knew, like just to get it, just to have stuff documented. Look, there's her. It's the investigating the scene.

Along with those case files, Ray also inherited a stack of Susan's notebooks. Inside, mixed in with grocery lists and doodles are her notes about her own investigation

into Jessica Kneren's murder. I always loved her handwriting too. I thought she had pretty

handwriting. She does. Yeah. And she's meticulous. For all their problems, Ray had always believed that against all odds, his mom actually helped a family get justice for the horrendous murder of their daughter. Lots of people believe that story. As we said in the last episode, the Kentucky Bureau of Investigation even gave Susan an outstanding citizen award. So this is the award? That's from Greg Stumbo, the attorney general at the time.

I was very proud of my mom for everything that she had done and the award that she received.

“It was all... it was... it was pretty cool. How do you feel about this award now?”

It's obviously tainted. Painted is one word for it. That award was his mother's crowning achievement. A rare moment of triumph in the life of a woman looking for purpose. But when Ray

finally started digging through his mom's case file, that image of his mom and her triumph crumbled.

Well, it's because I went through everything. I had all this stuff on the walls and the yarn that was going from this to that as I started looking into her stuff and started realizing this wasn't the case. I was learning in real time, the lies. There was a lot of lies. He saw how easily facts shifted to suit Susan's theories. At first, what seemed like inaccuracies or errors began to look more intentional was this outright deception or self delusion on

“an epic scale? Either way, Ray realized the public had the wrong idea about his mother.”

Susan Gauberth was no hero. She hadn't been hell-bent to find Jessica's killer. She wasn't driven to give Jessica's grieving parents peace. She had ulterior motives.

She wanted it. She wanted fame. She was just money. Always want, you know, just money, money, money.

These revelations set Ray on a journey to discover the truth. He lives with a fear that his mother helped put away the wrong man and in doing so kept the currents from getting justice for Jessica's murder. It's something he now feels compelled to make right. If it's wrong, I should fix it and I'll try to write it. From Sony Music Entertainment and Message Hurt, you're listening to my mother's lies.

This is episode two, my mom Susan. Ray is 50 years old now and he's still got a lot of conflicting feelings about his childhood. When he looks back at family photos, sometimes he smiles, other times not so much. They might have ended up estranged, but on the whole, Ray remembers his mom fondly. She had a lot of dreams, but like many of us, blacked the follow-through.

My mom was so all over the place. She wanted to be a photographer. She wanted to be the jack of all trades, but a master of none. She had an idea for all kinds of stuff, but you know, nothing ever paned out. Susan was born in Chicago in 1960, the middle child of nine. By the time she was 15, she had given birth to Ray. Ray's father was even younger, but in spite of this, took full custody when Susan up and left for Kentucky. My dad was 14, my mom was 15, so he can see kind of like

where the gap could come with our relationship, you know, how difficult it could have been for a young woman to mother, you know, a child and she's a child herself.

with alcohol and would leave Ray alone for days with no food at home. During these early years,

“Ray had no contact with Susan. His father made sure of it. My dad had told me she was dead,”

so I didn't even know she existed. And then when I was nine, she used to come up and visit me at school and I didn't even know who she was. And so through that, we built a relationship. I found out she was my mother and then I ended up running away with her. After years of neglect by his dad,

Ray finally went to live with Susan in Mayfield, Kentucky. By that time, she was in her mid-20s

and ready to take care of him. Was she a good mom? Yeah, I mean, she did better than my dad. She fell short on some things, but I'm not gonna knock her as a parent at this point. Susan paid attention to him, carried for him, bought him candy and presents, and made sure there was food in the house. It was a big change from his life in Chicago. I was growing up in the streets of Chicago and he filled with like heaven. Everything was just green and nice, and people were friendly,

and they were waving it, you know, everybody waived at everybody, and that was just so foreign.

Unlike at his dad's place, Susan's was filled with noise and people and fun. She loved music.

In the box of her things, Ray found a notebook, filled with page after page of her favorite karaoke tunes. Her and her sisters had their own line dance that they created. And so, usually if a couple of them got together and music came on, mostly like the song "We are family." Yeah, they would like get up and dance to it, you know, and do their little line dance.

“One thing Ray doesn't remember his mom ever having was a job. She mostly supported him on her”

disability checks. Susan had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. She had some good days and some bad, but on the days she went in for her disability assessment. She made sure she looked like she was really struggling. So my mom went with my cousin Jennifer to go be evaluated for her disability, a crazy check. She called it. So she goes in there with her hair to shove it like she put on a show for them to get her check. She had her shirt buttoned all wrong, different colored

stocks. She would cry and they didn't like in the interview. It wasn't fraud, but looking back, Ray feels like his mom knew what she had to do to get that check and did it to provide for her family.

She was good at getting what she needed. Everything was a hustle with her. It was always a hustle,

everything. At the time of Jessica's murder in 2000, Susan's marriage was breaking up and she was feeling unmoored and unmotivated, but this was the moment everything changed. Standing before Jessica current's body at the middle school, it seems Susan found the sense of purpose she was seeking, although it would be another four years before she acted on it. As we mentioned last time, Susan is the only mayfield citizen to appear on the police log for that day.

“What do you know about your mom being at the crime scene and being in the crime scene log?”

That shouldn't have happened. How did that happen? What compelled her to physically step into the crime scene is still something of a mystery? Frankly, even trying to figure out what exactly brought her there is up for debate. There's four different stories. My aunt has a story that my mom told her. My aunt Judy and my aunt Pat has another story that my mom told her. I have a story that my mom told me and then she's got a story that she told the news people. I got a restaurant story here.

The restaurant story. So this would have been in the morning, right? The restaurant don't even serve breakfast. Why do you think there are so many stories? Well, because I mean, there's only logically it's a lie. Was your mom prone to lying? My mom used to tell me. I'm going to tell you something but if you tell anybody, I'll tell them you're a liar. She would call me a liar if I told somebody something that she told me. Susan told conflicting versions over the years depending on whom

she was speaking to. As her story evolved, the truth became more elusive. So over the course of this podcast, using the contents of raise boxes, Susan's emails, letters, and her interview recordings, we're going to try to unpack her story. We're going to try to figure out how a housewife who didn't hold a job, who had no experience or investigative training, and was in the habit of lying

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created for Susan Gowbrith to step into. Now, lawyer Miranda Helman studied the police crime scene video from that day. She immediately identified a number of items that do not appear in the official evidence log. And so when I'm looking around the video, I'm seeing bottles everywhere. I'm seeing cigarette butts everywhere. I'm seeing trash everywhere. I'm seeing pieces of fabric kind of spread all around, not just really, you know, located on her body itself. And none of that is an evidence.

Items like hair clumps, a plastic bottle apparently smelling of gasoline, part of a black-braided belt and buckle could all be vital for DNA testing and forensic analysis. Who's hair? Who's

belt? What type of gas? Not to mention fingerprints. Yet much of this evidence never made it to the

police station. And the items that did? Well, many were mishandled, mislabeled, or misfiled. For instance, evidence boxes were logged incorrectly. And as a result, unrelated rape swabs were found in the current evidence boxes. A critical contamination error. You know, if I handed this case file to my grandma and said grandma, go investigate a murder, I feel like she would collect the items of evidence on the body. She's played clue before. And she would know to at least start

with the body. And if you see anything that looks like it could be a murder weapon or involved in, you know, here we're talking about a fire. We should collect those things too. With the crime scene and evidence now contaminated, it would prove nearly impossible to rely on any forensics. From this point on, the Jessica current investigation would come down to other police work, conducting interviews, identifying witnesses and generating leads.

A job lead detective Tim Fortner was better equipped for.

friends and family, establishing her movements that day, which over time led them to two suspects.

“In the last episode, you heard how the indictment against them was thrown out because of an”

inadvertent discovery violation on the part of law enforcement. But there's something we didn't tell you that one of those two original suspects allegedly confessed to Jessica's murder. Those two suspects were Carlos Saxon, Jessica's new boyfriend, better known locally as Lolo.

The second was the father of her child, Jeremy Adams. Both men were reported to be prone to violence.

Lolo was said to be the jealous type, possessive, even. There were also both rumored to be involved in drug circles. But after sifting through the local gossip and hearsay, may feel cops focused on Jeremy Adams as their primary suspect. Here's a turning Miranda Helman again. Remember, she would come to represent a different suspect

years later in 2008. Jeremy, he has a fairly long criminal record.

“It's sort of well-known, I think, in Mayfield, that he struggles with substance abuse and mental”

health. He was in and out of shelters and sort of living on the street. His arrest record kind of

shows a lot of the same things. Some of its violence, some of it is domestic violence related. This view of Jeremy is shared by John Poole, a local private investigator who would also end up on the defense team for one of the accused. If you look into Jeremy's background, he has a real history of selling drugs, assaults, all sorts of things from the interviews that I did people that knew about him said he had a bad childhood. He had all kinds of problems.

And Joe Current's opinion of Jeremy hasn't changed over the years either. "He's a cannibal, wild guy. Most of everybody has kind of scurried in because he's

he does crazy things." Mayfield Police Detective looked for someone with a reason,

a motive to kill Jessica. According to some witnesses they interviewed, Jeremy didn't want his current girlfriend net Todd to find out he had fathered a child with Jessica. But Jessica was a single mom and needed government assistance. She had to name a father on the paperwork to get those benefits. Another piece of gossip was that Jessica might have been holding drug money for Jeremy and Lola. And there's more. Remember Jessica's 16-year-old cousin

“Benisha Stubblfield, the one who told police that she last saw Jessica walking off into the night alone?”

Well, you're about to hear a tape of a police interview with two other Mayfield teens, who claimed that at the time of the murder, Benisha apparently admitted to knowing exactly what happened and who did it. Something she had not told police initially. According to these witnesses, Benisha told him that she and Jessica were walking home when a white car pulled over. She was coming there, but not the head on just the phone. That news is that she was very

walking in it. That old police tape is hard to hear. So I'll summarize what they said. They claimed Benisha had admitted to them that she had been sitting in the white car with Jessica, Lola, Jeremy, and a man named Austin Leach. And that's when the men started beating Jessica. They parked a car by the middle school and got Jessica out of it. According to the tape, the young girls say Benisha told them she stayed inside and that she heard screaming

then silence before the men rammed back to the vehicle. So I mean, that's pretty explosive information if true. But here's the problem that the Mayfield cops were faced with. New names pop up and disappear. And these young girls are repeating something someone else told them. They don't witness it. So it's hearsay, but leads the police can follow up on. Also, the issue of the white car will be a point of

contention and confusion throughout the case. So to be fair, mayfield police had their work cut out. Trying to corroborate rumors chasing gossip and dealing with the witnesses who are afraid to speak out. It was slow work. But over the course of two years, the witness statements kept stacking up. Here's a 2003 police interview with the then-boyfriend of Jeremy's mother, Donna. He claimed Jeremy burst into their apartment in the hours after the murder in

state of panic. Two months or three months, I'm like, yeah, we're being done.

technical workers. Any other space for us? I guess it's odd that you know, and you just tell

“me he said, thank you for it. Again, let me clarify. This guy is claiming to the police”

that Jeremy woke them up in the middle of the night talking about how he'd screwed up. He didn't say what he'd done, just that he was going to go to prison for it. Any other reason, if I won the prison ship, he'd just hear what he had to happen. It's just that he'd just get molten over and over and over and over and over and over and over, so I won't just quit.

In that same interview, Detective Tim Fortner asks if Jeremy's mom, Donna Adams,

knew anything about the crime. It seems to put Donna's boyfriend in an awkward position,

but his answer is telling. For the mayfield cops, the final piece of evidence were statements from Jeremy's own cellmates. You see, Jeremy was in and out of jail on drug charges in the

“year since the murder, between 2000 and 2004, and various inmates reported similar things to the”

police. According to them, Jeremy outright confessed that he murdered Jessica. He was worried that, and that was going to find out that he had a baby with her and that he had been cheating with Jessica. He said that she had... there's a dark man, he grabbed hold over and I guess it's a start over, or what had me, and she had struck. He said that he lost control of herself, and picked something up, he had said that described it as a piece of man and struck her. She was running when he struck her,

and she had felt. He said, "Where'd you get her out?" He said, "The bag of baby." Again, I mean, that's pretty compelling evidence if true. Now, in fairness, we should note here that Jeremy's defense later claimed that these accusations were false, and that any statement from a jailhouse informant came from bad policing. Regardless, mayfield police eventually charge both Jeremy Adams and Lolo Saxon with the murder of Jessica Kernan. Not only did they feel they

had probable cause based on circumstantial evidence and witness statements, but they also felt it was proof beyond a reasonable doubt, sufficient to support a conviction at trial. But the defense attorneys were well prepared. Even before a trial date could be set, lawyers for Lolo and Jeremy got the case moved outside of Mayfield to a neighboring county, as the pre-trial hearing approached, local news started circling.

The judge moved the trial of the accused Jeremy Adams to Marshall County because of pretrial publicity. Recently, the victim's friends and family pushed to reverse that decision. They argued a new location would not provide a fair trial in this case of a white man accused of killing a black woman. Marshall County's population is almost entirely white. The suggestion that race might have played a part in the jury's decision is worth bearing in mind

when we come back to the eventual 2008 trial of Quincy Cross, a black man who eventually is convicted of discrime by a mostly white jury. In the end, the concerns over where Jeremy's

trial should take place were never put to the test.

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getthebenged.com. In early 2003, after the cases against Jeremy Adams and Lolo Saxon were thrown out, the community was in turmoil. The mayor of Mayfield publicly demanded an investigation into his own police department. Tim Fortner was removed and then resigned before the Mayfield Police

“Department handed the case over in its entirety to the Kentucky State Police. Now, it's important”

to note here that the case against Jeremy and Lolo was never heard. It was dismissed but without

prejudice. That means the same charges can be brought again, the same evidence presented, the same suspects brought to trial. So with her son still in the spotlight, Donna Adams was determined to see Jeremy cleared of suspicion. And as you heard from her ex-boyfriend, Donna wasn't wanted to take things lying down. Over a decade later, she's still seem angry about her son being charged with Jessica's murder. You can hear how strongly she defends her son.

Well, the fucker, I might not have no money, but I will tell you something you fuck with the wrong kid, because he didn't do this. And it might take me 20 years and it might take me on me doing it. But I'm going to clear my kids night. Donna was something of a force of nature and really took matters into her own hands. With no experience of training, it seems like she started her own amateur detective agency. I knew what was up. I had to do what I had to do. This is my kid's life,

you know what I mean. So I went out, was wired. I turned in 16 types of the might feel pleased for her. You heard that right, Donna Adams, the main suspects mother turned in 16 tapes to the police. Now, she means audio tapes as an interviews that she conducted on her own with witnesses and

suspects of her choosing. Many of them, by the way, were covert recordings. She was basically

going around wearing a wire. But that's legal in Kentucky, since it's a one-party consent state. Meaning only one person to a conversation needs to consent to a recording, and of course, Donna was consenting. Still, it's all pretty bizarre. And that's not all. Jeremy also got in on the act. During interviews with the police, he let them know that he could help them find the real killer. It was a concerted campaign to clear Jeremy's name. Needless to say, the new investigators

from the Kentucky State Police weren't having any of Donna's self-serving investigation to clear her son, and they weren't about to start sharing information with their prime suspect in his family. So, by 2004, Donna felt she needed help. She needed someone who could be seen as neutral. Someone the police might listen to. As it happened, she had someone in mind, Susan Gauberath.

“Well, I'm sorry, but you thought with a round wage and a round key it. That's how I got suit involved.”

As it turns out, Susan and Donna were friends, good friends, by most accounts. Once Susan Gauberath moved to Mayfield, Donna and Susan Gauberath essentially lived in like an apartment type situation where it was a house that was split. Everything I've seen and believe in what have been told and reviewed shows that Donna and Susan referenced for quite some time, and that's really how Susan met Jeremy Adams, and I think explains sort of her involvement.

She and Donna often threw parties together. Susan's son Ray was a young man in his 20s by this time, and he remembers Donna at one particular party. One memory I have of hers, I was walking through the house and she grabbed my face and she was loud, like very loud and obnoxious. I have to say, even ignoring the strength of the case

with the lead suspect's mother and girlfriend. I'm sorry, whatever her motivations might have

been at the outset, I just can't see how she could have been impartial. I suspect she never really

looked at the strength of the evidence against Jeremy, rather that she was laser-focused on looking elsewhere. Private investigator John Poole goes further. He believes that Susan had a clear agenda from the outset. Susan Gallbert is investigated and others investigated and found

“was a very good friend of Jeremy Adams' mother, and I believe her whole goal was to take any”

interest or any problems away from Jeremy Adams. According to Miranda Helman, Susan and Jeremy

was soon writing to one another, speaking on the phone, even meeting in person, and that in her

communications with him, Susan was crystal clear about her role. She was also very close to Jeremy that she was getting calls from the jail, that she was really out and out saying that her job, her goal, her mission, was to clear Jeremy's name, and not because she didn't know, you know, that she knew he didn't do it. It was just that she was going to clear his name. So, in early 2004, Susan took up Jeremy's calls, joining forces with Donna and Net. But

the question remains, why did she get involved? What's in it for her? Did she simply want

“to help a friend in need? Was it because she'd hit a rough patch in her life and needed a purpose?”

Or was there a more practical reason? Like the reward money perhaps? Back when Susan first got

involved, Mayfield City Hall was offering $9,000 for information leading to a break in the case. That's more like $15,000 today, to a woman living on a disability check. That's a lot. Of course, we can't ask Susan ourselves, but her son Ray thinks that reward played a significant part. My mom let money cloud her decisions, cloud her thoughts, and she was very smart. The idea that his mom, Susan, far from being an outstanding citizen may have been involved in

an awful con. I mean, defending the son of a friend who, for all she knows, could be the killer for a reward? It's a terrible legacy for Ray to inherit. But Ray to his credit is trying to find out exactly what his mother did and face it. Remember the story at the beginning about Pandora opening the box? People often forget the ending. That is all the evils of the world flew out. She managed to slam down the lid and trap one thing inside. Hope. The point is hope is what remains

to help us endure. I'm supposed to do this if it's wrong. I should fix it. You know, we're trying to write it. But it's not easy for Ray. He's struggling. He knows in many ways. He's going

“against what his mother would want. For my mom, I think if she were, if she were alive, she wouldn't”

want me cooperating with anybody the way I am. But I think where she's at now, I think she would want a rest in peace. And if there's any way that I can use the stuff that she has to bring peace to anybody, even her, you know, that's all worth it. Next, on my mother's lies, we see how veteran British journalist Tom Mangold comes to her assistance and opens up a world of possibilities. Everything that she wanted for herself, it was in her reach, you know,

you know, with Tom being involved, like she wanted big things for herself. And how together, they unlock the doors and the files that would lead Susan to a new suspect. I have Jeremy's mouth, I'm just going to bring you out of the stuff like that. Did you give all that stuff to Sue? Yes, you've done it for me, honey. That's next time on my mother's lies. At the time of release, we have not received a response from Carlos Saxon or Jeremy Adams,

of the crime nor any involvement with Susan's investigation. The Mayfield Police Department

“responded saying none of the investigators that worked on the current case 26 years ago”

remained employed by the department, and the department was, quote, "not in a position to respond

to the allegations."

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