My Mother’s Lies | 4. Telling Tales

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It's 455pm on Sunday, February 20, 2005.

It's been 4 1/2 years since Jessica current's murder, and nine months since journalist Tom Mangold returned to England, leaving local citizens sleuth Susan Gauberath in charge of their investigation into Jessica's murder. Susan is in a car with her best friend, Lacy Gates. They pull up to a small one-story house in a black residential area in North Mayfield.

Lacy turns off the engine, the two women sit in silence for a moment. They triple-check that it's the right address. Susan inhales deeply and stops a packet of cigarettes into her pocket. She's nervous and fidgety.

“The 45-year-old citizen sleuth looks her friend in the eye one last time before they both step out of the car.”

This is it. In the past, Susan wore a wire, one she got herself, without any police involvement. But not this time. Today, she's carrying a listening device disguised as a cell phone, and the Kentucky State Police gave it to her.

This time, they're actively supporting her covert activities. In fact, they'll be listening themselves. Officers are positioned nearby, ready for the signal from her should things go south. If Susan says the words, "I wish my big brother was here, they'll come charging in." Today, Susan is confronting the man she believes murdered Jessica Kern, Quincy Cross.

It's a move that journalist Tom Mangold thinks is a step too far. In fact, Tom was furious when he'd heard Susan's plan. You see, it's not just that Susan and Tom believe Quincy to be a cold-blooded killer. They believe that for the past few months, Quincy has been stalking Susan. She's been telling people he was showing up at her house, staring at her,

dead-eyed from afar, which is weird if you think about it, because he lives in a different state. Susan later wrote to Tom saying, "I guess he was playing around with the idea of doing me in and needed to see how vulnerable I was." Had Quincy gotten wind of their investigation, was he hoping to intimidate Susan, creep her out and get her to give up?

At any rate, Susan stepped up to his door and rang the bell. Quincy had been expecting Susan, but not lazy. After a moment's hesitation, he invites them both inside. The house belongs to his cousin. The house is small and echo-y, a TV blayers loudly in the background.

Quincy's watching over two toddlers who were sitting on a sofa beside him. Susan's size is him up. Late 20s, black, male, mustache, slightly grown out, he's smaller than she imagined. He's friendly or too. As the door closes behind her, Susan begins to explain their visit.

And I can't play with this vibe, but he's playing like, "No, I want a dollar per person,

but it's signing up for that time." It's tough to make out, but you can just about follow Susan's opening pitch. That she's working with a journalist, that be Tom, on a documentary. That Quincy could be paid $500 if he chooses to participate. But more importantly, it would also be a chance to clear his name.

She's playing a very dangerous game, but she keeps Tom's advice in mind. "No one ever confesses. The best you can do is to try and calm them into saying something they should not have revealed." She needs to convince him to talk. Susan says she's talked to a lot of people.

She mentions the belt found at the crime scene, and the fact Quincy was found wreaking of gasoline the night of Jessica's murder. The facts, as she sees them, that point to Quincy as the crime suspect.

“Her hope is that he'll react and give away some crucial detail”

that only the killer would know. Years later, Tom will present this as Susan's moment of try-out. "She pulled it off. She didn't get a full confession, but she got an interview which contains self-incriminating remarks. She'd made more progress in a day than the police agencies that made him five years."

But in reality, at the time, even Susan realized it wasn't the home run she'd been hoping for. "I was just trying to go through my mind because it didn't go nothing like I wanted that one." And yes, whatever doubt Susan had, leaving Quincy. By the time she sat down with the cops, her confidence was restored. In fact, she doubled down. Quincy was their guy.

When he said, "I wasn't here at an old woman. Now how'd you off-choke one? I was trying to go one." "That's what you said." And I looked at Lacy and just out of nervousness, I was sitting there shaking. And I was just, I boomed my hands around trying to play it off, you know.

But I mean, I wouldn't stare at him, I'm not the one that but it just, I just know he killed this girl. I just know he did. I know he did." From Sony Music Entertainment and Message Herd, you're listening to My Mother's Lies. I'm Beth Carrus. This is episode four, "Telling Tales." Let's now go back nine months earlier.

When Tom and Susan's 10-day whirlwind investigation, first suggested the name Quincy Cross.

“If you remember, before Tom returned to England, they shared their Quincy theory”

with the Kentucky State Police, along with the entirety of the documents they'd collected from Jeremy, his lawyer, and the disgruntled X-com. The person who took possession of their case file was Kentucky State Police lead detective, Jamie Mills. So Susan was, I don't even know where she came from, can I out of the blue?

When I first got the case, I think maybe she'd called the State Police Post or something. And I kind of thought, well, we'll see what this lady's got to say. And she was basically her own little private investigator. It's understandable that detective Mills listened to Susan's theories and reviewed her files. After all, it's not like the official investigation was herdling towards a speedy conclusion.

Susan was relieved to find detective Mills receptive to her phone calls. I think it's because no one else listened to her. I thought she had a wealth of information, you know, because she had nothing else today. She didn't have a job.

You know, so she was always just mingling in the community and to me,

“that's how you found anything out, you said a mingle.”

Don't forget what the State Police originally received from the local Mayfield cops was a thin case file for a murder investigation, it seemed incomplete. So when Susan started handing over official documents and they hadn't seen, including the discovery materials from Jeremy Adams, plus her own original recordings and reports, well, detective Mills would later say it himself to Tom Mangold. He felt he had to work with her.

At first, at his thought Susan was kind of another one of those nosy people in town that wanted to try to get something out of me. You know, but she had a lot of information. And I thought, hey, I need to use this lady. When she's got stuff that I don't have, because I think she had gotten it from Jeremy's lawyer or something. And it was stuff that wasn't in the case file.

the typed up transcriptions of all the police interviews conducted for the original investigation.

“You see, the State Police had all of the tapes, dozens of them. They just hadn't transcribed them yet,”

but Susan not only had the transcriptions, she knew how to navigate them. Here she is speaking years later, boasting of that fact. Even though they had the tapes, they did not have the transcripts. So when I would be on the phone with them, I would say check out this transcript on such such page. I was actually giving them information they didn't have. Why on earth the Mayfield police or the Kentucky State Police didn't just prepare their

own transcripts? I have no idea. And rather than do that, they allowed Susan to direct them to what

she considered critical and relevant portions is kind of nuts to me. As Susan started getting

cozy with the State Police, she kept Tom informed via email, providing updates and seeking

“his assistance or advice on how to proceed. Right from the get-go, she was excited that detective”

Mills was willing to investigate Quincy Cross. Here's what she wrote to Tom in June 2004. Hi Tom, I just got a call from Mills. He told me he doesn't expect any arrest for at least a month. I'm working on getting a pickup Quincy. Mills doesn't have one, and in fact doesn't know what cue looks like either. I asked him to use his resources to get a muck shot or something from Tennessee if he has to, and he said he would. That email came shortly before her first stocking

claim arose. Clearly, she didn't really know Quincy at all, she didn't even know what he looked like.

According to Joe Kuren, who started asking around himself, Quincy was just a small guy with a big mouth, but not someone obviously threatening. Quincy Cross, from what I was told, I talked to two of my cousins that lived down and would just go with him to young ladies. They said he just thinks he's a big chief. He tried to play big in what he is like he's tough, and he is a minute in the girl can probably wouldn't be. This would take to old me. He was very confident

he was humorous, he was just at the time a young man trying to find himself. That thing happened. This is Quincy's sister, Rachelle, recalling what Quincy was like back in the early 2000s. Back before he knew who Susan Gauberth was, or how his life would change after meeting her. He misses out on his family, he knows that he's really missed out on his family, watching his nephews and nieces and stuff, grow up, he can sister grow up,

you know, the thing is to be part of their life, and which he really could have had it impact. Rachelle knows Quincy wasn't perfect in his youth, he'd been in trouble with the law, but in Susan's view, this was the man behind Jessica Kuren's murder, and she was going to prove it. Through the summer of 2004, Susan's investigation continued with detective Jamie Mills in close communication. In another email to Tom, Susan claims she was actually out in the field

collecting DNA evidence for the state police. Mills just left here. He came to pick up the DNA samples we got on the. I asked him if he thought an arrest would be made in the near future. Now, this part really floored me. In my time, as a prosecutor and legal consultant, I've seen investigators use a lot of different methods to collect evidence, but allowing a citizen's slew to collect items through DNA analysis. I mean, what? So we have to bear in mind that this

is all Susan's point of view. This is her representation of her relationship with detective Mills. She even claimed in one email that she was planning on starting a private investigator business with detective Mills. When our producer Alice managed to get a brief interview with him recently, he had a different take. Susan considered you a different. She said that you're going to

“sell to PI business together. Is that? That's what she wanted. Yeah, that's what she wanted,”

but it's not true. No. Reading Susan's emails, it does feel like she may have been prone to inventing things. Perhaps she just let her imagination get the better of her. But it's possible she misconstrued how things really were. That's worth keeping in mind as we continue unpacking her story. There's no doubt Susan and Mills were working closely together, and he was open to her Quincy theory. He said so himself. In fact, Susan's son Ray even thinks his mom's police

access was by official arrangement, and that it paid well. She was getting money. She would

That wasn't disability. No, her wouldn't have hurt. It wouldn't have been that much. No.

“Has he my mom was an informant for the police? And I think she was, I think,”

they were probably one of her go-to's for information on the street. She was getting funds from them to do whatever she needed to, you know, to be done. If she needed something, she would call them. Try to get it. Lawyers and private investigators have tried to get the authorities to confirm or deny if Susan was a paid informant, but without success. Some have confirmed that she was an informant or used to encourage witness cooperation. But that's all we know for sure.

By this point, Susan's investigation was gaining momentum. She and Tom are in contact by phone and email. Tom is preparing to publish an article in the British press reporting on their ongoing investigation into what is now a four-year-old cold case. But for all of Susan's slew thing,

“they still only hold fragments of evidence, contradictory witness statements and conflicting”

timelines. Over a series of emails, Susan begins sketching out a possible version of events that fits all the puzzle pieces together. We've summarized a little for brevity and for decency. Just to warn you, her account gets pretty graphic. The version that emerges goes like this. Austin and Quincy are writing around in the Cadillac looking for girls when they run into Venetia and Jessica. Quincy is in the back and starts touching and growing Jessica who tries to

fight him off. At this point, Venetia gets scared and asks to be left out of the car. Jessica continues to resist. Maybe hits back a bit too hard and Quincy starts beating her, even choking her with his belt. She passes out. They then drive back to Chris Drive, where they transfer the unconscious Jessica to the Blu-Contiac. Austin grabs the gas can from his own car, then they head back out. They're deciding where to dump her body when Jessica

regains consciousness and leaps from the car. Quincy and Austin grab a bat and chase after her, beating and strangling her before using the gas to burn the body. Now at this point, Susan's version of events doesn't align with the official timeline of the murder, witness statements, or the Chris Drive call logs that plays Quincy at the house until at least 530 a.m. But nonetheless, the story, though I'd call it a fantasy, take shape and Tom runs with it.

In October 2004, a newspaper in the UK published his first article. In the article, he declared

Jeremy Adams as innocent and named Austin Leach and Quincy Cross as the primary suspects in Jessica's murder. He focused on the gas and the belt elements of Susan's story and the issue of the two cars. It's also the first time the case was presented as a sexually motivated attack. The exact quote from Tom was Quincy suggested a sexual predator on cocaine. This is Maggie Freeling, Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist who's been reporting on the story.

The first time we heard of a sexual assault was from Susan Galberath and Tom mangled in their emails.

Up until then, four years in, sexual assault was never mentioned. There's no evidence of it.

There is no evidence of a sexual assault. It says that in her autopsy. From Maggie, this shift in the Quincy Cross narrative and the investigation was a red flag that something was wrong. They come up with this. Well, her underwear wasn't on her. Oh my gosh, there must have been an assault and that's where the story starts and that's when I realized Susan had a hand in this because this was not part of the investigation up until then.

We'll hear more from Maggie and her investigation later on.

“But honestly, aside from accuracy of the information, I just can't understand”

how a newspaper could have published this to essentially exonerate one suspect then announce new suspects in an active murder investigation. In any case, by the fall of 2004, their theory is now out in the world. It feels like the net is closing around Susan's

is suddenly removed from the case. Apparently, for reasons unrelated to the current investigation, but it's a massive blow to Susan who described herself as, quote, "devastated," since he was, quote, "the only local police officer who was on the track of the right killers." With detective Mills off the case, Susan not only lost her unique access to the official investigation, her whole case against Quincy was in jeopardy.

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Following the departure of detective Mills, Susan's access to the state's investigation is uncertain. She soon learns that a new detective named Sam Steeger has been assigned to the case. Here's a recording of an early telephone call between them. Are you? I am fine. I was surprised by a nerd from you. I'm sorry. I've been surprised. I haven't heard anything from her.

Well, I've been off. I hadn't been looking or anything this week. It's immediately clear that Detective Steeger wasn't going to work with her the way Detective Mills had. Susan is not happy. Here, she's asking the detective to justify why he has been called her yet.

“You talked about two weeks ago when I returned to the end, down, right.”

And we were talking about that one day, right? And I never heard something.

It was, I called, I called, the thing that I didn't hit a clock in, I felt like all the critical time that it was busy. I did not get any calls from the state at all. I'm my colleague and I am. I don't know about you. But listening to the way she speaks to a detective, I'm stunned. What starts as a disagreement turns into a three-minute squabble, Susan's sense of entitlement is astounding. And worst of all, from Susan's point of

you anyway, it seems as though Detective Steeger intends to do his job going back to the facts of the case and the original suspects. In December 2004, Detective Steeger goes to speak with Jeremy Adams. Detective Steeger walks into the law library at the Graves County Courthouse, accompanied by a Graves County Prosecutor. Waiting for them is 24-year-old Jeremy Adams, currently an inmate at Eddieville Prison,

where he's serving time for assault and cocaine trafficking. Detective Steeger thinks this is a routine sit-down. A chance to cross-check Jeremy's earlier statements, Titan timelines, confirmed details. Instead, Jeremy has a brand new story.

ten months earlier in Mayfield, regarding an apparently unrelated personal matter.

“According to Jeremy, Quincy, a man he's never met, had made a pass at his girlfriend net,”

and he wanted to confront him about it. And according to Jeremy, Quincy then openly confessed to Jessica's murder. Quincy Cross is the one who had made it feel me that he was that he had killed. According to Jeremy's new story, Quincy shares explicit details with him. Details only a killer could have known. Jeremy said Venetia and Jessica were picked up in the

white Cadillac with Quincy in Austin, and that at some point Quincy started to fight with Jessica

in the backseat. The similarity to Susan's version, the one she wrote for Tom just a few

“months earlier, is on Tannie to say the least. "The fight was on the just good one point,”

the way he said it she had got out and started running away from the car and he got out and chased after ideas, and he admitted he had a bad, something about Quincy built around her neck and dragged across the concrete." Given this remarkable revelation, two days later on December 9,

Jeremy agrees to sit or a polygraph test. But when asked about whether he had any involvement with

Jessica's murder, he flunks and shows signs of deception. After failing the polygraph, Jeremy Panics, and in a tearful call to sticker he request another urgent meeting. When they sit down the following day, now this is December 11th, his story changes once more. This time he tells Detective Steger that he was in the car with Quincy in Austin and now Lolo Saxon, another one of the original suspects in Jessica's murder.

So he's placing himself at the crime. Jeremy also claims that he got out of the vehicle shortly after they picked up Jessica. It's yet another twist, but this new version of the story doesn't get time to settle, according to Detective Steger's case report. By the time he arrived home from Jeremy's interview, there was a voicemail waiting for him. It's from Susan, somehow she already knew what had happened and insisted Jeremy misspoke that he was knocked at the crime scene that night.

Sorry, okay, like the original suspect randomly comes up with a new story that just happens to match almost word for word Susan's version, that he feels a polygraph panic, implicates himself before Susan then steps back into course correct for him. This is just unreal, unbelievable, not credible. By January 2005, Jeremy returned to Detective Steger yet again. This time to officially recant his previous statement, but this time he admits to something else.

Jeremy tells Detective Steger that he's been talking extensively with Susan and using details from the discovery in his original case to make his story sound credible. I had the whole emotional discovery. I have to be straight with him man. I mean, if I had something to do with this case, trust me,

“the way I'm feeling right now, it would come out right now. That's how low I am. And I know”

that I want to feel because I'm beginning. And I know that they could bring the case back up on me. So all this Quincy stuff was made up. And Jeremy's excuse? Because he was scared of being accused again. I can't imagine why. But this is exactly the risk. We're sharing those discovery documents. In a case that will be determined on the strength of witness statements, having case information flying around makes it incredibly difficult for investigators to get to the truth. It's clear to

me that the police should not consult Susan anymore. She certainly seems to be hindering the

Susan Galbraith, feedback loop out, there seems to be one more twist to it. And Detective Steger's

“final interview with Jeremy in January 2005. Jeremy asked the Detective what the state police”

would need to convict the real killer of Jessica Current. What type of evidence do we need in order to make the red and down the conviction? Well, I mean, I won't somebody. This is what my main objective is right there. I won't somebody on tape. You won't somebody on tape.

So basically you need a confession, don't take words, something wrong. And that's a good name. It's

basically you don't say that right does it up to rest and can be okay. Detective Steger makes it clear. He'd need a confession on tape, which brings us back to the opening of this episode with Susan meeting with Quincy, ready to covertly record the conversation, hoping for a confession. I want to tell you guys about a podcast that is near and dear to my heart. And I can't believe

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needed to make sure her meeting with Quincy went according to plan. So she called on her friend Lacy Gates. Now it's another name to keep track of. But this one is worth remembering. Lacy and Susan are really close. Best friends. Lacy was aware of Susan's investigation and had been helping out

“here and there. But today she's about to be dragged into the heart of it. She didn't know Quincy”

herself and at this point wasn't so convinced of Susan's theory. Despite Detective Stegger's renewed interest in Jeremy Adams, he does agree to support Susan's attempt to record an interview with Quincy, who is still a person of interest, after all. After collecting the recording devices from the state police post, they drove around to do a trial run. With the support of the Kentucky State Police, it all seemed like a lot of fun to them, like they were playing cops. This is Lacy with Susan

in 2012, recalling that day. We start singing the songs and we're like, you know, going bad boys, bad boys, what you want to do, what you're going to do when they come for you, good boys, and then we did Hawaii 50 and then we start talking about the cops and one of the guys was really cute and we're like, oh yeah, he's so hot. I would so do him. When Lacy and Susan arrived back at the police post, they receive a reprimand for their unprofessional conduct. We're laughing hysterically,

and one cop looks at us and he's like, ladies, this needs to be way more professional. We heard every conversation that you guys had in the car. Embarrassed, the two women drive in near silence to Quincy's cousin's house. But I gotta say, the way Susan is fooling around and making jokes, to me, she doesn't sound like someone who thinks she's about to confront a psychotic killer,

let alone one she claims has been stalking her for the past eight months. The first reference,

she made of that stalking, was in an email to Tom the previous summer when she was trying to get hold of a picture of Quincy to identify him. I have to see what he looks like. I had a visitor yesterday and before I could get to my door he was getting into a car. I've been told that description I have describes cute. It's a story she would stand by for years. This is Susan speaking in 2012.

and just standing there with his leg spread and he's just looking dead at me. My husband at the time

“was there and I said, "Who is that?" He said it's cross. And Tom would repeat in the press.”

Now, as we've seen, Susan is prone to exaggerating. But what we do know is that her own friend Lacy Gates would later claim the stalker accusation was made up. Again, according to Lacy, Susan repeated this false accusation even after she figured this out. Either way, the accusation

was never proven or even investigated as far as we know. Did she ever truly believe her stalker

was Quincy? Did a genuine misunderstanding become a convenient lie or was she out to rare road Quincy from the outset? As with so many things in this story, it's unfortunate we can't ask her. In any case, this is the context in which Susan and Lacy confronted Quincy Cross on February 20, 2005. As Susan purchased on the edge of the sofa, she takes out her cigarettes and the cell phone the state police had given her and places them on the coffee table. The television

plays in the background, the kids chatter, she doesn't know at the time, but the background noise

will make the audio she's secretly recording almost impossible to hear. Lacy sits across the room

in a chair, Quincy remains standing. Susan needs to elicit incriminating details from him. She decides to go for broke.

“It's hard to make out, but there they are. The two key details from the original crime scene”

report, belt and gas. The two details that slowly emerge from the Chris Drive interviews, belt and gas. The foundational evidence of Susan's narrative against Quincy, belt and gas. It's hard to hear how Quincy responds, but there is a lot of shouting. He denies even having a belt. He claims he was wearing sweatpants when he was arrested. And the gas he says he's spilled over himself was when he was trying to get the car going.

It's the same story he told the cops at the time. Susan doubles down. She tells him that he's in the sights of the police now for the murder, especially according to Susan that Jeremy Adams has now been cleared. An hour after entering the house, Susan and Lacy leave and walk quickly back to their car. Susan is coming down from an adrenaline high. She's shaking and comments to her friend Lacy

that she's disappointed with how the interview went. There had been no confession, no major admission of guilt. But in her mind, Quincy had said one or two things that confirmed her suspicions. The question is, would it be enough to make an arrest? She'd soon find out. That evening, Susan and Lacy report back to the state police post to debrief with Detective Steeker, who had been listening in, although details of the conversation were impossible to make

out. So it's time to compare a note. But before they can begin, Susan breaks down in tears.

The pressure of the day finally getting to her. After she recovers a little,

Detective Steeker begins the official meeting. Today's day is February the 20th, 2005. It's this interview with Susan Galberick. Susan goes over everything, drawing Detective Steeker's attention to the moments she felt Quincy gave himself away. If you notice when he says, I ran out of gas and I started pouring the rest of that gas,

“he said the rest of the gas, which was key to me because that means he used gas for”

something else and had some left. But he said, I knew, and he says, as soon as Perkins stops him, that I knew when he smelled that gas, I'd get blamed for that. I didn't. Yes. He said, he said, he said, we could well. Perkins is the officer who found Quincy, stranded on the side of the road, trying to put gas in the blue Pontiac on the night of the murder.

Or rather, what Susan claims Quincy had said. What follows is even more troubling,

because she claims Quincy freely admitted to strangling women. It's a claim Lacey would repeat too. The problem for Detective Steeker is that you can't hear Quincy saying this, nor anything else that Susan claims. In fact, all you can hear is Quincy flatly denying everything. Every important detail that is discussed, it's Susan that's driving it, not Quincy, gas and belt, gas and belt. But there's nothing on the tape to indicate he knows

anything more than what's already been reported. And yet what evolves in the fallout isn't even clearer picture of Quincy as the killer. For example, Susan will later claim that Quincy indicated he know exactly what type of belt was used to kill Jessica.

“And he stood up and I can remember that his waist was right at my eye level. He said,”

"I know exactly what kind of belt was around her throat. It was just like this." And he was wearing a black-braided belt. I knew I had it then, because even though there may have been

talk about a belt around her throat, it was never made clear what kind of belt it was.

That in my mind said, "You just confessed to murder." Susan didn't make this claim at the time. It only came out later on as her story evolved. And there's nothing on that tape that backs this up. We only have her word to go on. Despite Susan's certainty about Quincy Cross's guilt, the covert recording just didn't have much evidentiary value. Months go by and there's no movement to arrest Quincy leaving Susan

increasingly frustrated. In fact, Detective Steeker is still looking into Jeremy Adams.

With yet more witnesses coming forward repeating claims that have been floating around for years

at this point. Here's another witness who spent two weeks incarcerated at the same facility as Jeremy a year after the murder. He had this to say to Detective Steeker. "Well, look at me. You look at me straight back in the eye. But Jeremy Adams, he said, "I killed my baby's mother." He said that he did the final blow at Kilker with what.

“"I believe you've had a belt. You've pulled off here's belt and put it around in that."”

And here's an end-make pointing the finger at Jeremy. He's making this accusation to the state police in 2006, six years after the murder. "You've just told me that you used to deal with Jeremy Adams." Yes, sir. And that Jeremy Adams told you that he killed Jessica Karn. Yeah, he said he had to shut her out. In fact, by early 2006, Detective Sam Steeker's investigation has widened to now implicate Net Todd Jeremy's girlfriend at the time of Jessica's murder.

After everything Susan's done, her case against Quincy is once again on the verge of falling apart. And with Detective Steeker's focus drifting ever farther away from her Quincy theory, she needs a miracle. Incredibly, that miracle would come in the form of the Kentucky Bureau of

“Investigation. We see how new witnesses that Susan has unearth are treated by the KBI.”

"Cuse our engines, you're going to be charged with the murder with it." "But you're lying. I'm not going to buy you out there." "You start now, and you ain't even get close to the truth." Every time the story is not going to the Susan Galbert script, then the tape was turned off. Then they come back on again, and it's back on the Susan Galbert script. Witnesses, who later claimed they were coerced. "There's forced me to say Quincy has something to do with it."

Next in the lie, that was forcing me to say that he took part in it. "That's next time on my mother's lies." At time of release, we have not received a response from the Kentucky State Police, the Office of the Attorney General of Kentucky, Jeremy Adams, or former State Troopers, Jamie Mills, and Sam Steeger, regarding allegations reported in this episode.

Net Todd responded, denying having any knowledge of the crime, nor any involvement with Susan's

This is my mother's lies, an original production of Sony Music Entertainment, and message heard,

“hosted by me, Beth Carrus. From message heard, Alice Arnold is our investigator producer,”

Robin Simon, our producer, McAllister Bexit, our series producer, Tiago Diaz, our assistant producer.

Alan Lear is our supervising sound editor, supported by sound editor Lizzie Andrews,

“and Ivan Easley, with original composition by Mike Mainz. From Sony Music Entertainment,”

our executive producers are Catherine St. Louis and Jonathan Hirsch. From Blink Films,

our executive producer is just in Khrusha, and a big thanks to the whole Sony Music Entertainment team.